dnd-discussion

[autumn vault]

where from

[warped cipher]

Does Dungeons and dragons have to be set in medieval times or could I set it in ancient times? Or modern times?

[green ledge]

it can be anything you want, its just the most standar for it to be medieval

[fossil hollow]

set it wherever you like

[umbral girder]

If it’s 2024 warlock you could use an invocation for Magic Initiate! Wizards gets you the Shield spell and Cleric gets you the Shield of Faith.

[green ledge]

modern times is a bit harder to plan because of all the technology and transport aspects, but it can def work

[fiery nimbus]

casting spells as a warlock hurts quite a bit
I think i will just throw out a summon and hide into my Genie Vessel

[stoic obsidian]

The answer is you can’t

Or you can, but you gonna be a twig

[green ledge]

my current character is a shadar-kai warlock and the spell slots are making me go crazy but its not horrible cuz of the shadar-kai sleep "ability"

[stoic obsidian]

Like you can get bracers of defense and mage armor to get like 15ac, then add shield

[umbral girder]

I need to play a warlock at some point. I’d like to just build one with a ton of spellcasting

Just get a race, feats, and invocations with so many spells

[green ledge]

its super fun but be aware of the 2 spell slots until level 10

[stoic obsidian]

You become cantrip man

[umbral girder]

That’s what invocations, feats, and races are for. They give you the ability to cast spells without a slot once a day each spell

[shy stirrup]

Cantriplok

Warcantrip?

[umbral girder]

Well except invocations, they can just give you at will spells so spell slots mean nothing for them

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, but it just a heads up

Warlocks like cantrips for this reason, because if your dm forgo short rest a lot then you be using you eldritch blast a lot

[stoic obsidian]

By forgo, I mean make it hard to get it

[green ledge]

i didnt give my warlock eldrich blast just cuz its very overused in general and i wanna challange myself to use other stuff

[calm garden]

Hey

[tough sandal]

I would like to play Warlock and not use the Smelly Blastin' all the time, especially with 2024 warlock allowing for any cantrip to be used. :3c

[stoic obsidian]

Ray of frost

[calm garden]

What server do i go to to ask questions

[sleek cloud]

So pact of the blade

[calm garden]

Im new to dnd-

[sleek cloud]

Ray of frost with the new cold caster feat wouldn’t be too terrible

[green ledge]

but since its a shadar-kai, my long rest lasts the same as short so i think im okay?

[stoic obsidian]

Or any cantrip, with additional effects

[stray atlas]

so thing I'm curious about

[clear lark]

The game was originally meant to be set in the Middle Ages or earlier. However, settings like BlackMoor introduced an alien ship with robots and Sci Fi weapons briefly. And an BECMI Immortals adventure was once set in modern Manhattan (1980's), but magic didn't work on our Earth. That was fun.

[stray atlas]

is selune letting werewolves have more control of their transformations just a bg3 thing?

[sleek cloud]

Short rest is around an hour, elven long rest period is 4 hours I believe

[green ledge]

yea

[sleek cloud]

So, not quite

[umbral girder]

Some novels mention it. It’s just not all lycanthropes get this luxury

[stray atlas]

hmm

can shar do the same thing?

[abstract beacon]

What is a suitable human opponent for my party’s first encounter ? I’m next DM and I’ve figured out the opening but I can’t find any sort of marauder style enemy

[sleek cloud]

“Next dm?”

[abstract beacon]

After we finish this campaign

[sleek cloud]

Ah

[stray atlas]

again not sure if this is a bg3 thing but they're described as being similar in terms of what their powers can do

[umbral girder]

You do know I play like twice a week for 8 years and frequently in this chat. I am well aware.

[abstract beacon]

GREECE MENTIONED RAAAAH

[inner silo]

I got a magic item that's a jug which i can put something into, say destroy and it destroys

I wander what i could do with this

[umbral girder]

Ah the Bag of Devouring method

Just this one probably won’t eat you

[inner silo]

It hasn't tried so far, no

But thanks for the warning! Will be on the lookout if it starts acting strange

[abstract beacon]

The opening is basically they’re all chained up in a wagon as prisoners for crimes that they either did or did not commit, then as they’re about to be executed the guards and commanding officer are attacked by a raiding warband , and they have to figure out a way to get their weapons back( they’re very close) and be freed of the chains

[umbral girder]

Bags of Devouring are neat. You get 1 turn to escape it or you just auto die with no body or items remaining

[inner silo]

Oof

[umbral girder]

They are also almost identical to bags of holding

[inner silo]

My jug is a bit different, it can only destroy something that fully fits inside it

And activates with a word

[umbral girder]

I should use one at some point

See if I get anyone with it.

[stray atlas]

I uh

[inner silo]

I reach in to grab my sword from the bag of holding
Dm: bag of holding?

[stray atlas]

it bad my immediate idea was to shove the bbeg's head into one?

[umbral girder]

Yep that’s pretty much the item

[umbral girder]

Needs to be fully inside it

[inner silo]

I should lowkey look for an artificer

[umbral girder]

Basically it’s a 50% chance it pulls a person in when they put their hand in it.

[inner silo]

Just cut the head off forst

[inner silo]

Is the bag the bbeg?

[umbral girder]

DC15 Strength athletics check to get out

[inner silo]

Gl wizards ig

[umbral girder]

It can be used to hold items too

[inner silo]

Ah, happens ig

[umbral girder]

It just eats 1 item every 24 hours

[violet mortar]

hellooo very new to dnd and have always wondered if there are campaigns that are set in non fantasy / medieval settings? is this common? i love fantasy but i wondered if more modern or other settings are desirable to a chunk of the player base

[umbral girder]

None official.

[inner silo]

Ah, that's not that bad, just turn it over before every long rest to throw everything out and put everything back in in the morning. Might get your invisible servant to do it even

[umbral girder]

Drop 20000 coins in it

Oh no a single gold coin. What a shame.

[inner silo]

Copper coins at that

[umbral girder]

Interestingly it can hold more items than a bag of holding

[inner silo]

Artificers are essentially steam punk

[umbral girder]

It has no weight or size limits inside of it

[inner silo]

Oo, bag of holding but better?

[green ledge]

its kinda rare but it is possible definitely

[inner silo]

Put it into a pool?

[umbral girder]

So it’s a bag of holding that holds way more items but might kill you.

[violet mortar]

hmmm i figured none officially but i always thought it would be cool to roleplay out different settings in different worlds, even in similar fantasy settings or based on other media but wasn’t sure if there was much of an audience for that kind of thing

[inner silo]

Is it going to just absorb all the water from the pool?

[lavish flame]

Waiting for the new Eberron book to hit the mobile app is killing me

[fossil hollow]

its appeared on the app for me

[inner silo]

Is that absolute bane on your pfp?

[green ledge]

you can have any type of world, even time travel or plane travel where eachtime theyre in a different plane of existence or time period, sometimes medieval, sometimes futuristic...

[umbral girder]

Yeah it’s all fantasy in DnD. Different kinds of fantasy but still fantasy overall

[inner silo]

Rework all magic as very weird coincidences that just happen

[violet mortar]

does anyone for example ever make a campaign whose world is based in another form of media, say final fantasy or lord of the rings?

[crimson gulch]

yes

[green ledge]

currently im dm-ing a short campaign where the players travel back before the apocalypse and try to stop it but its set in the future where both medieval and futuristic/modern aspects mix

[crimson gulch]

people play dnd in all sorts of settings, some folks make up their own original worlds too

[inner silo]

Fireball? A small meteorite accidentally fell from the sky. Gust of wind? An actual gust of wind just blew. Darkness? There's something floating in space blocking sun from that exact spot

[green ledge]

dnd is kind of based on lord of the rings, so yes

[umbral girder]

There is an entire lord of the rings book on dnd beyond

[past blaze]

I've got a dishonored one on the backburner

[violet mortar]

ah okay cool! thanks everyone

[inner silo]

What's it called?

[green ledge]

ofc! :)

[empty thicket]

yep, that is something i see like a goat thing honestly.
Adapt every race to a terrain, biome, etc. And make a living world

[violet mortar]

a final fantasy campaign would be really cool

[empty thicket]

but, its a lot of work and sometimes you can do a whole campaign in a map of the size of...half USA

[crimson gulch]

the trick is you dont need a whole map to start playing

[warped cipher]

ok. So middle ages or earlier. got it

[crimson gulch]

just an outline is fine to get going

[umbral girder]

Notably the lord of the rings stuff is super, duper toned down compared to D&D’s stuff as the power levels that DnD reach is too much for LotR

[umbral girder]

The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying by Free League.

[clear lark]

Yep. I just mentioned one above that took place in modern Manhattan (back in the 80's at the time)

[empty thicket]

true or you can do a whole thing in 1 big dungeon or just an island, depend of how creative and deep you want to make it

[crimson gulch]

yep

[inner silo]

Thanks!

[crimson gulch]

i have done world spanning campaigns, i have done single city campaigns and i have gone multiversal, there are no limits other than what you wish to imagine

[lavish flame]

ye

[empty thicket]

and your players can handle too.... Too much space and stuff might be overwhelming sometimes

Like obviously, too much choices or freedom can be too for both sides

but i wont deny that the idea of traveling between points and maybe get encounters such like a wanderer merchant or just some animals in the path isnt something nice to add

[clear lark]

I was just looking through AD&D campaign setting in Conan's Hyberion Age and noticed it uses Luck Points. Very much the same 5e uses for their Feats.

[empty thicket]

D100, Party get attacked by a dragon. Pray.

or a lot of maybe encounters while traveling, add an extra random layer is nice sometimes

[tough sandal]

The 2024 DMG sets a good lesson about developing campaign settings, start small with a single locale, then get more broad with basics as you venture further from that place. Let intrigue and mystery of the unknown guide your players.
When they choose where to go next, that's when you go ham.

[crimson gulch]

yep, you only ever need to be one session ahead of the party

[shy stirrup]

Or, like, 1.5

[tough sandal]

If the players develop a backstory that HAS central locations? OH BOY THAT'S A SPICY MEATBALL!!

Makes it so much easier to build a world from there!

[raw ocean]

One of my players has 7 NPC’s in his backstory

[tough sandal]

LOOK AT THAT! More tools!

Lego pieces to play with!

[crimson gulch]

im running 7 campaigns and many one shots on top, 4 of my campaigns are cusom and 3 are running campaign modules right now, but all of them are in published settings 2 exandria and 5 Forgotten Realms.

[serene garnet]

Sorcerer seems cool they get magic from within then a book yk?

Now Ik stranger things is based on DND what would 11 powers be

[red steppe]

I wonder if someone here had a PC with an entire book worth of backstory?

[empty thicket]

Mine was a Gladiatior in some arenas, i use it like an excuse for some stuff.
Last time was "Wait, owlbears exist? in the arenas they just placed feathers in one and use it for entertaining" and "Damn, i guess they did exist and i was lied all this time, welp, time to see how tough it is"
600 damage later: "it was pretty... tough and savage"

and justify his class and subclass too, Fighter champion.

[umbral girder]

Drizzt Do’Urdon /jk

[tough sandal]

iirc, that's literally all of DND's classic "legendary heroes".

[empty thicket]

i have one that can be resumed in:
Act one, slavery
Act two, saved by mercenaries
Act three, taken care by merchants and raised in knowledge
Act four, Call to the adventure.

[tough sandal]

They were just PCs to start, yeah?

[umbral girder]

Act 5, ?????
Act 6 Profit

[empty thicket]

Act 5 would be the adventure, now in theory (for having to drop because got a work and now they are full) my character had to go back to his lands to resolve the murder of his parents and had to abandon the party.
Act 6 would be coming back to the party and maybe the Dm will add the killer of his parents to the story like a chapter enemy

[serene garnet]

Act 4? TUSK!!!

[red steppe]

Infinite Spin

[empty thicket]

In deep it was that he got struck with inspiration from the mercenaries and would use his knowledge gifted by his merchant parents and school. (its a wizard artisan)

[raw ocean]

Maybe a psionic?

[serene garnet]

Is that a class

[glass granite]

Wdym 11 powers

[glass granite]

Not anymore, but there are some spionic subclasses

[raw ocean]

3.5

But in the time stranger things is set in, the may be in that version of D&D?

[serene garnet]

Ah kk

[halcyon forum]

we gonna get a new psion class next year

very likely

[glass granite]

Wait really?! That’s sick!

[halcyon forum]

yeah they had two revisions in UA now

[glass granite]

Looking forward to it

[tough sandal]

It has some good things going for it.

Fulfilling basic fantasies like telepaths and telekinetics.
It also has two additional ideas that have you break reality for mobility, or break your body to support allies.

Basically, the latter is cosmic horror.

[shy stirrup]

Psionics was an optional set of powers - not a class - that first appeared in Eldritch Wizardry in 1976, and persisted into 1st Edition, which is what the kids in ST play. It had a certain reputation for being clunky and broken.

[red steppe]

Shutting down ppl's minds would be so cool

Broken in a good way or bad way?

[shy stirrup]

Depends on your POV

A DM from that era would say: in a bad way

[red steppe]

I mean like as in is it very very strong?

[shy stirrup]

Gygax himself never used it at his table

So, if they plan on a Psionics class....we'll see how that plays out

[red steppe]

I assume its super strong then

[old sluice]

Broken always means bad.

[shy stirrup]

https://wastedlandsfantasy.blogspot.com/2019/01/psionics-in-dungeons-dragons-part-i.html
If interested on how it worked back then

Or, not worked

[old sluice]

If you want a class that did not work: Truenamer

[red steppe]

Nvm its bad, i just saw you have to roll your own psychic potential

[old sluice]

It actively got worse as it leveled up

[shy stirrup]

A lot of stuff in 1e was gated behind high ability rolls

entire classes, Bard, Paladin

[waxen nova]

guys what is play by post 💔

[shy stirrup]

A very foreign and bizzare concpet today, but you used to roll your stats then choose your class based on what you rolled

[red steppe]

Rolled stat players' heaven

[still plover]

Like playing through text chat.

[waxen nova]

ohhhhhh

[red steppe]

Damn thats so limiting

[halcyon forum]

the new Psion is very safe design, basically an INT sorcerer really

[old sluice]

That actually makes a lot of sense. If you rolled a low intelligence, there's no way your character could have become a wizard

[red steppe]

Thank god for point buy

[shy stirrup]

Limiting was a feature, not a bug, of early D&D 🙂

[red steppe]

This sounds like a punishment from hell

I wouldnt blame them

[shy stirrup]

And yea that sometimes happened, the good news was it was very easy to get killed, and very easy to roll up a new sheet

[shy stirrup]

Don't knock it till ya try it

[red steppe]

Aight fine, only if i play OG Tomb of Horrors

[shy stirrup]

OG Tomb is really the only way to play it, the 5e conversion doesn't have the same...vibe

[red steppe]

True true

[old sluice]

Don't play the OG tomb, spare yourself that

[red steppe]

Perfect homebrew dungeon material imo

[old sluice]

It is simply not fun.

[shy stirrup]

I would agree. It was originally a Tournament module anyway. It's only to be played as some kind of historical curiosity.

There are far better OG dungeon crawls out there, like Lost City

[red steppe]

Whats the best one?

[old sluice]

There are other historical curiosities you could try that are less harmful to your well being than Tomb of Horror. Like being tortured by the inquisition for example

[shy stirrup]

Best is subjective, but for me Lost City is my personal favourite, the game's first "megadungeon"

[rough basalt]

It's pretty easy actually

[shy stirrup]

is it now? 😛

[red steppe]

What level is it suited for?

[rough basalt]

You just choose all the right answers, don't fall into traps, and don't die

[shy stirrup]

1-5, 6, ish

[red steppe]

Ah alrighty, id play a Wizard (aka keep dying til i get to play as one)

[shy stirrup]

Ah you mean Tomb gotcha

[bronze wave]

One trap might finish you

[rough basalt]

I simply don't get hit by traps

[red steppe]

Bro has spontaneous Death Ward

[shy stirrup]

Well, try this on for size.
Lost City's very first room has one trap that can cause a TPK under certain circumtsances, and a 2nd trap that can cause 1 character to die.

This is the first room

[raw ocean]

I thought "Psion" is a class in 3.5?

[red steppe]

Is there a dungeon worse than Tomb of Horrors?

[shy stirrup]

Unsure, never played 3 or 4, but Im sure theres been attempts over the years to bring it back, make it work

[compact nova]

There's always a worse dungeon

[raw ocean]

Yeah, I know for sure because I just checked

[rough basalt]

4 had psionic classes

[shy stirrup]

It's in a league of its own, that one

[raw ocean]

Although psion's have a d4 hit die, rip

[rough basalt]

One for each role

[old sluice]

I am sure there are quite a few.

[reef tundra]

I've heard many people talk about the Tomb of horrors, but I never really learned more

[red steppe]

Lol

[raw ocean]

There's always one homebrew dungeon out there that has the most horrible features

"Oh your rolls are actually reversed in this dungeon!"

[reef tundra]

Who was it in lore who made the tomb of horrors again? Acererak?

[rough basalt]

Yep

[reef tundra]

Just as I thought

[rough basalt]

The "original" Acererak made the Tomb of Horrors

[reef tundra]

These liches building everything smh

[compact nova]

Here's a worse dungeon:

You walk into a room, the door slams shut behind you, and it sounds as if rocks collapse against the door

The room is empty, with blank stone on every wall

Solution:
||No solution, they rp being stuck in a hole||

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I force caged some dude and then collapsed a cave around him

[reef tundra]

Somehow I didn't know Vecna wrote the book of vile darkness until last month

[rough basalt]

Which he died in canonically.
Tho his Simulacrum form (the 2014 dmg and ToA cover) went into the multiverse to Forgotten Realms and simulacrums of him went everywhere else including back to Greyhawk.

[reef tundra]

Is there nothing this mofo didn't make?!

[raw ocean]

He probably starved in there

[rough basalt]

Vecna didn't make the Amulet of Ultimate Good

[reef tundra]

Damn

[red steppe]

I want to rp as a Lich whos building their first Tomb to screw over adventurers

[reef tundra]

You have a point there.

[raw ocean]

Id actually love to see a campaign of low rate monster PC's building a dungeon

I would join in a heart beat

[shy stirrup]

This is one definition of a DM 😛

[red steppe]

How many simulacrums does he have?

[rough basalt]

Infinite

[red steppe]

Give that power to me

[raw ocean]

DMing is basically just writing a story where your characters have free will and keep messing up plot lines you stayed up till 3AM to write

I'd love to see a book where the characters actually interact with the writer in an adventure

[rough basalt]

I've been embracing the sandbox hexcrawl in my Monday game.

[raw ocean]

Kind of like the stanley parable

[rough basalt]

I barely prep anything.

[shy stirrup]

Low prep is good prep

[rough basalt]

Tho it's getting close to winter ingame so ima need to make some winter variants for my maps

[raw ocean]

I take one hour to prep before sessions

my players love me

[red steppe]

30 seconds of prep

[raw ocean]

When you set up 12 battle maps and your players decide they want to go to (Insert the most obscure location in all of D&D) to make a horse into a wizard

[rough basalt]

Reminds me.
I need to map out some of the significant parts of my Monday games map

Like the abandoned Wizard Tower

[red steppe]

Imagine the players wanting to go to an ultra specific place in the Far Realm just so they could retrieve a single french fry that was stolen from them

[raw ocean]

I love it when my players decide they want to fight the weeping angel enemies with an AC of 25

and refuse to search for clues!

[red steppe]

What

[raw ocean]

Gimmick weeping angel halloween session

[rough basalt]

Also need to map out the Underworld for when my party gets strong enough to Dantes inferno

[woven flint]

Actually, it was TWO French Fries, but, okay 🙄

[red steppe]

Oh

[rough basalt]

Or dies and needs to raise some hell

[raw ocean]

I feel bad for my bud who's DMing for us starting saturday, one dude is playing a homebrew half dragon race that gets a +8 to its strength off the bat

[shy stirrup]

Ugh

[raw ocean]

and even more buffs

[rough basalt]

Why

[red steppe]

It was originally two until it was eaten by another player who found it first and proceeded to tell no one whilst the others scrambled to find the second one

[old sluice]

Like the man who ended up killing a god after getting involved because he thought a cult had stolen his lawn gnomes.

(He actually donated them to charity while he was drunk and couldn't remember)

[woven flint]

Okay, okay, that ones on me...

[shy stirrup]

For the record, a DM is not obligated to accept someone's Orbital Weapons Platform homebrew class

Or a Sentinent Piece of Bread species

[red steppe]

One of Henderson's descendants

[woven flint]

But my homebrew that gives me a 500 in each stat 😔..

[raw ocean]

Found it, the race gets +8 Strength, +2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, +2 Intelligence, +2 Charisma.

[halcyon forum]

sentient piece of bread sounds cool. make it depressed and german

[old sluice]

No actually, just Henderson

[woven flint]

Medic TF2 Moment

[raw ocean]

Can I send links here?

[halcyon forum]

uhhh, not the reference i was making

but sure. works too

[woven flint]

I can't stop thinking about the Evil Toaster from Fallout: New Vegas (Old World Blues DLC Character)
I love him

[red steppe]

Homebrew subclass for Garlic Bread domain Cleric

[woven flint]

"My heating coils of DOOM!"

[red steppe]

How do i make him as a character

[rough basalt]

"I am the scourge of all household appliances!"

[woven flint]

Play a Warforged ig

[raw ocean]

Immunity to electricity, sleep effects, and paralysis.

+4 racial bonus on Move Silently checks.

+4 natural armor bonus.

Automatic Languages: Common, Draconic, Goblin. Bonus Languages: Dwarven, Infernal, Giant, Orc.

[rough basalt]

What the hell

[raw ocean]

Some stats of his homebrew race

[red steppe]

Does this thing have a google doc

[rough basalt]

What in the DnDwiki is this

[raw ocean]

Darkvision 60 feet and low-light vision.

Natural Weapons: 2 claws (1d4), bite (1d6).

Breath Weapon (1/day, 60-foot line of lightning, 6d8 damage, Reflex save [DC 10 + 1/2 half-dragon's HD + half-dragon's Con modifier] half).

[woven flint]

Lmao

[halcyon forum]

Some DMs really need to learn to say no

[raw ocean]

I can dm yall the link or a picture of the race stats

[halcyon forum]

I think we get the idea lol

[red steppe]

Dm me the link

[shy stirrup]

Oh there's more

[timid current]

sounds like an autognome

[rough basalt]

Babys first homebrew

[raw ocean]

There's multiple types of versions of this race

[halcyon forum]

wait, reflex save. its not even 5e

[raw ocean]

Its 3.5

[rough basalt]

Oh God it's bad homebrew from the days of yore

[woven flint]

Man, just let me play Muggy from FO:NV, I'll even have a mental breakdown about being obsessed over coffee mugs.

[raw ocean]

And they are min/maxing a psion class

[red steppe]

Nvm its balanced then

Thought it was 5e or smth

Got me panicking

[raw ocean]

I understand, but off the bat with those stats

[red steppe]

True

[raw ocean]

Im running homebrew too but its a pixie race

with like, invisibility three times a day

[red steppe]

How strong is Invisibility on 3.5e?

[raw ocean]

No idea

But ill be fully invisible

[red steppe]

Oh nice

I assume concentration isnt a thing

[raw ocean]

it is in 3.5

But since im a pixie and im considered "Fine" size

With or without it, im very hard to find

[cerulean monolith]

#dnd-elder-editions can help you with 3.x stuff

[raw ocean]

Oh I dont need help, just talking about a fellow party members interesting race

Thanks for asking though

[cerulean monolith]

I mean that discussions about older editions, especially in regards to mechanics, belong in that channel

[red steppe]

Oh mb

[raw ocean]

Anyone have an opinion on what the best VTT is?

[fossil hollow]

Owlbear

[rough basalt]

Foundry

There's no VTT I love more than foundry

[raw ocean]

I honestly gotta stick with foundry too, can't pass up one time purchases

[stoic obsidian]

I have a weird thought, what if no adventurers exist in dnd?

[raw ocean]

I can afford subcriptions but it's less stress on the mind of your money not being slowly funneled out

[rough basalt]

Then there is world peace depending on the setting

[stoic obsidian]

Suddenly Tiamat attacks

[old sluice]

Then it works like a normal fantasy setting

[rough basalt]

Only reason Forgotten Realms is still a hellscape is cause it has to be so adventurers don't get out of a job

[raw ocean]

I remember seeing some dude talking about his character having a "normal field" that turns everything normal and makes fireballs into sparks

Just, go outside at that point?

[stoic obsidian]

Villager:I wish for no more adventurers

Now would a tyrannical king be stopped without adventurers

[old sluice]

You get exactly that. No new people become adventurers, the current adventurers become immortal.

[shy stirrup]

Pitchforks and torches

[red steppe]

Just outlive them

[old sluice]

There will never be more adventurers than currently. Or less.

[old sluice]

Have you heard about guillotines? I heard it worked quite well

[pastel shuttle]

I have a question about bofa

[stoic obsidian]

Yet magic still exist

[shy stirrup]

Pitchforks +3 and Torches of Continual Flame

[red steppe]

+1 pitchforks and +1 torches

Dammit he outdid me

[stoic obsidian]

Tyrannical King: Wait I thought things be easier with adventurers, what is going on
Villager: You haven’t thought that everything would equal, us villagers are no longer under your boots anymore

[old sluice]

Not sure what those villagers' grievances are

Excessive taxes?

[stoic obsidian]

Of their pets

[valid geyser]

If they’re living in a town where they have magical pitchforks it’s probably a magocracy

[stoic obsidian]

He take their pets as taxes

Yup, time to kill the king

What if a villager wish to be the dm?

Yup I keep breaking the forth wall

I realize something scary, if a dm goes for the character realize that they are in fact a character

What would stop the character from using that info to their advantage

[jolly hound]

What magic item tastes the best

[stoic obsidian]

I need to drop the subject

[stoic obsidian]

Snicker Snack

[jolly hound]

Idk I’m looking at the alchemy jug

[wraith kelp]

hello!

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening

[wraith kelp]

nuggie!! hruu

[glass granite]

Still sick

[stoic obsidian]

I wonder if dnd got edible weapons

[lyric viper]

Remember to stay on topic for D&D and avoid spoilers for any modern media!

[stoic obsidian]

Huh?

Am I spoiling something?

Or getting off topic?

[native fjord]

had my first session and i killed a few people😭

[crimson gulch]

Yes (this message brought to you by rust monster gang)

[red steppe]

Is it possible to make chicken nuggets in dnd

[crimson gulch]

That's a dc 20 cooks tools skill check imo

[stoic obsidian]

Your wit is strong, but is it stronger than my glass sword (fe weapon reference)

[blazing summit]

So our dm just introduced our campaign to the 5e version, and we updated our characters and with that it allows the Archetype for fighter and our dm says no to that because it is “too strong” thoughts?

[crimson gulch]

Fighter is the strongest class a lot of the time, If your dm is banning things from the players handbook that's gonna be a problem though in my opinion

[past blaze]

Is the DM saying "no that's too strong" to the concept of a class having a subclass?

[wicked schooner]

hey do you recon someone that has played the game for a while could talk to me in a call about the game im realy new like watched videos for like 2 years and want to play/dm my first campaighn

[valid geyser]

I’m assuming you’re talking about the champion fighter, which is certainly not “too strong” in any capacity

[blazing summit]

Their reason being we are lvl 4 and I already have 19 ac and that me have 3 attack turns in a single turn shouldn’t be allowed

[past blaze]

action surge and using light weapons?

[valid geyser]

How are you getting three attacks?

[past blaze]

Because... those aren't OP.

If you have 3 attacks every turn, at level 4, something else has gone wrong

[blazing summit]

Action surge plus echo knight subclass allows you to use your echoes attack as your attack

[crimson gulch]

Attack, nick, dual weild feat

[valid geyser]

I mean action surge is only one turn

[past blaze]

yeah both of those are limited uses. The echo goes poof after getting hit once each time forcing a "re-summon" and action surge is one use per rest until like, wish level

[blazing summit]

But can only use the echos attack 5 times b4 long rest

[blazing summit]

Yes

[stoic obsidian]

Are you really playing dm? Or is it homebrew dnd

Wait did you get Nick weapons

[blazing summit]

5e with a mix of 2e n a smidge of homebrew

[valid geyser]

Echo knight doesn’t give you more attacks

[blazing summit]

Unleash Incarnation
At 3rd level, you can heighten your echo's fury. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can make one additional melee attack from the echo's position.

[past blaze]

unleash incarnation is from echo knight and does, though. It is limited use, however.

[valid geyser]

Right it’s been way too long since I read wildemount

[past blaze]

Don't forget the limited uses

[blazing summit]

Yes exactly why I say it’s balanced for current lvl

(Minus my 19 ac at lvl 4 )

[valid geyser]

I assume if you got a shield and something like splint armor, that’s not too crazy

[past blaze]

basically, the DM is silly for saying "no you can't have a subclass"

[reef tundra]

What on earth is happening, who said no to subclass

[stoic obsidian]

And being unfair tbh

[past blaze]

A DM saying that having a subclass in 5e is too powerful

[shy stirrup]

A PC is finding Echo Knight a hard sell for his DM

[reef tundra]

Just... having any subclass?

[shy stirrup]

recap

[valid geyser]

No it was just disallowing echo knight

[limpid plaza]

Eh???

[reef tundra]

Ahhh oki

[stoic obsidian]

Echo knight isn’t even op tbh

[limpid plaza]

Oh nvm

[reef tundra]

Thank god, that would have been insanity if they thought any subclass at all was too powerful

[fair summit]

Echo Knight is definitely a bit of a mess at times (mainly it not counting as anything but a magical effect causing some weird stuff like being unaffected by Fireball and stuff), but definitely not busted in any way from my experience 😛

[reef tundra]

I've seen it in game, it can be powerful, but I've never seen it do anything too crazy

[valid geyser]

Yeah echo knight is weird and I normally don’t touch wildemount stuff in games I run, but it’s not really “ban worthy”

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, but it not worth the ban hammer imo

[shy stirrup]

Mercer homebrew 🤷‍♂️

[fair summit]

The only "busted" part I'd say is the infinite scouting potential at 1000 feet radius after 7th level, but even that can be usually dealt with

[limpid plaza]

Wanna know an OP subclass?

||school of divination||

[valid geyser]

Yeah it’s just in the same vein as other janky mercerbrew. Chronurgy is def worse

[reef tundra]

Classic Matt Mercer

I love that man and everything he creates

[stoic obsidian]

Is all of Matt’s homebrew bad?

[shy stirrup]

But, worth noting, pretty much every class bar 3 started as somebody's homebrew so 🤷‍♂️

[reef tundra]

Cobalt soul monks punching the ability to lie out of someone temporarily is very funny

[valid geyser]

Not bad, Matt’s just got design philosophies like, a step up in the craziness factor compared to official stuff

[meager fractal]

divination wizards are a pain

[reef tundra]

Absolutely

His creations are wild.

[stoic obsidian]

Guess I be the crazy man then

[fair summit]

Not BAD bad, mostly just they're just made for his own games and setting, not really so much for general play

[reef tundra]

And that's why they stole my heart

[valid geyser]

Janky is the best term for it. They’re just slightly more fiddly and strange than normal stuff

[limpid plaza]

For the DM, yes. As a player, it’s amazing.

[shy stirrup]

A DM has the right to refuse fiddly and strange

[valid geyser]

Like, its no random homebrew you find off the internet, Mercer just doesn’t usually make his stuff for people other than his table

[reef tundra]

I can agree with that, actually.

[fair summit]

Two of my players have wanted to play the gunslinger subclass, but that one's just weird. Ability to swap out all the guns in the whole game to worse, then gain abilities to not suck at them as much sure is... a decision 😛

[stoic obsidian]

Which makes sense

Tho echo knight is cool

[valid geyser]

I’ve played a blood hunter once and it’s definitely weird

[tame estuary]

Has there been attempt to make the class good?

[stoic obsidian]

Homebrew is wonderful and weird, it gives out more options for players and DMs

[fair summit]

Echo Knight is fun. Played it once in a short adventure, really wanna make another at some point 😌

[valid geyser]

I think the profane soul is a pretty good indicator of mercerbrew. A third caster with pact magic that gets tiny benefits in line with existing warlock subs. Very weird, not very good mechanically

[tame estuary]

I love the feature of uh... extra 1d4 to my damage rolls

[jade hatch]

Playing with an echo knight player in my current game yeah it feels more "vibe based writing" first over making sure it meshes 100%

[tame estuary]

Or change the roll of 1 to a 2 on a fire damage roll

[jade hatch]

like I think before he went back and labeled it as an object it technically wasn't a valid target for attacks? I could be misremembering the wording though

[shy stirrup]

There was a debate about Echo Knight in the rules channel that went on for like 3 hours the other night
Need I say more?

[red steppe]

How strong is Echo Knight

[valid geyser]

Also the mutant. Wotc would never give you a subclass that lets you bump your stats up by like 4 in exchange for disadvantage on stats for other checks. I remember that sub being super weird in the west march I played for a while

[jade hatch]

I will say it is cool though

[valid geyser]

So many wizards going like 3 levels of mutant for like a 26 intelligence in tier 4

[tame estuary]

On the hands of the wrong player, too much

[tender pier]

Question, what are some of the most creative plans you all pulled up for a DnD Heist?

[tame estuary]

Had a player who just climbed up a tree and let the echo fight

[valid geyser]

It’s on the stronger side, but not really the worst thing ever

[fair summit]

About the same level as any subclass, really. They don't get anything overly busted, and their main mechanic is making attacks from a different location, which for a melee fighter is just gonna make them a ranged fighter with extra steps

[red steppe]

Finally a 20 on a stat for Tier 1

[tame estuary]

It was early levels so the enemies don't really hit often

[red steppe]

Oh alrighty

[blazing summit]

Um no just heavy armor a shield and fighter class

[blazing summit]

My dm who’s new to 5e

[blazing summit]

Starting gear still

[jade hatch]

I mean if they're new that's fair

Gotta let them learn and get comfortable

[blazing summit]

Just new to 5e this their like 4th or 5th campaign they’ve done

[native fjord]

i killed someone for revange

[tame estuary]

This game is about compromises and finding a middle ground

[valid geyser]

I mean usually fighter starting gear is 16 AC with shield giving like 18 AC. That’s just the early level higher end

[tame estuary]

If you can't compromise on not having echo knight, you just don't play at that table I suppose

[jade hatch]

That's still decently fair as it can be pretty different

[valid geyser]

Also AC just matters less the higher level you go as monster attack bonuses scale way faster than AC

[blazing summit]

True

But at lvl 4 my dm has a thing against me he rescaled all the enemy’s attacks for me …

[jade hatch]

Yeah DMing in tier 3 makes me feel bad for my AC focused players

[tame estuary]

Talk about it

This looks like a DM who wants to win

[blazing summit]

I just feel bad for the rogue dahmpire

[tame estuary]

You're not supposed to lose tier 1 combat

[shy stirrup]

This isn't a DM new to 5e
This is a new DM

[jade hatch]

I mean at level 4 enemies are probably starting to cast saving throw spells and getting +7's to hit, so it's about a 50% chance to hit most people if not more

[blazing summit]

Eh I’ve done a couple campaigns with him he’s chill till I break something in his campaign

[jade hatch]

I'd be more worried if they were constantly doing things like blinding you for advantage

[shy stirrup]

Delibreately targeting one player in this way is not chill

[tame estuary]

A DM who wants to win

[blazing summit]

(tank fighter class half orc race lvl4 highest dmg in party and i can stealth)

[wheat glade]

heyyyyyy

[jade hatch]

Oh so the fantasy is to get targeted more often?

[tame estuary]

Why can you stealth in heavy armor?

[blazing summit]

Nope just that most places are dark but we all have dark vision

[shy stirrup]

Sure, but you're the one who just said it's as if this DM has "something against me"

[blazing summit]

Loop hole

[jade hatch]

Oh that's pretty standard

[blazing summit]

Idc if he does it makes it fun

[past blaze]

I mean, you can, it's just more difficult

[tame estuary]

.... I think I'm beginning to see the DM is not the problem

[wheat glade]

is human race actually bad??? im new but ive played some one shots and half a game

[blazing summit]

He’s not

I am I think

[jade hatch]

No, human can be great

Two origin feats goes hard

[valid geyser]

Not in any sense of the word really

[wheat glade]

i use monk way of astral self with hermit bg and human race

[tame estuary]

No class is better than the other, no race is better than the other. Play what you want to play

[wheat glade]

thats what i used so far at least

[blazing summit]

Just don’t do damhpire races

[tame estuary]

Every class has a niche and unique playstyle, and races are mostly cosmetic if you like the fantasy

[halcyon forum]

the base human from the 2014 players handbook is often seen as mechanically weak, but pretty much every other variation of human is strong

[tame estuary]

Why not

[jade hatch]

I unfortunately think Rogue's niches are filled by other classes almost easier sadly

[tame estuary]

It's also dhampir btw

[blazing summit]

They’re weird and all depends on background and incredibly niche

[tough sandal]

I like what 2024 Human did by incorporating the "Variant" H00man.

[wheat glade]

i got shipt stats tho😭

is it ok if i use the words like that..?

[tame estuary]

Well that's no reason to tell other people they can't play the race

[wheat glade]

should i not??? i mean saying i jave bad stats wouldnt have made it clear

i got all +1, a +2 and a -1 on carisma...

[tame estuary]

You can say shit in context

[blazing summit]

Fair enough

[valid geyser]

Did you roll stats?

[tame estuary]

Thought saying more flattering words like abyssmal would be preferred

[wheat glade]

i did...

[tough sandal]

hehe, "Abyss"-mal

[wheat glade]

and got BAD rolls

[jade hatch]

Well that's the way the dice fall sadly lol

[wheat glade]

next time ill ise the prestabilished numbers

bc these ones suck

[tame estuary]

Nah keep rolling, it's fun

[jade hatch]

You can always take ASI's or get +weapons to make up the accuracy

[wheat glade]

nah not for the next 1 or 2 at least

anyway, ill go shower, byebye

[tame estuary]

In the grand sceme of things it's like 15 to 20% accuracy change when it matters

Except for them features that need your biggest stat's modifier for the how many times you can use them

[wheat glade]

-1 on carisma is wild

[astral stone]

How should I get into dnd like how do I meet people and play a game ?

[tame estuary]

It's standard

[wheat glade]

you either find a dungeon master with a game about to open or you find online

[astral stone]

Okay thank you

[wheat glade]

you can start by building you character for fun in the time you search

[valid geyser]

Not really. Standard array means you’re gonna have one stat to have a penalty to, and if it’s any stat at least it’s one you won’t use much

[tame estuary]

If you follow the guidelines that appears on the bottom of the screen when you joined the server, it should show #find-a-game as one way to find a game

[astral stone]

Man I don’t even know where to start with that 😭

[wheat glade]

i can help you with that if u want

[stoic obsidian]

I wonder if monk centaur with a paladin riding on their back seem cool or funny?

[wheat glade]

im not that expert yet tho

[wheat glade]

thats sick in a good way, do that

[stoic obsidian]

Or a sorcerer

[wheat glade]

a sniper

[stoic obsidian]

Elements monk

[astral stone]

Whats paladin about like the class of course I have heard stuff about it

[wheat glade]

a magician or elements monk on a centaurs back sounds cool ash

[wheat glade]

its like a warrior with religious stuff going on

[stoic obsidian]

It the typical knight that take on oaths for their powers, no need to be religious

For paladins are bounded by oaths not gods

[wheat glade]

@astral stone anyway if you want help with character building i can help you with what i can, dm me id ud like ^^

ima shower rq and help u after, if you want to obv

[stoic obsidian]

I just say this for clarification

[wheat glade]

oh ye ur right im confusing with the other one...

[stoic obsidian]

Cleric, can get power by faith in themselves

[vale sage]

Hello guys

[wheat glade]

was it the warlock?

[tame estuary]

Could be premature to help other people of you don't really understand

[stoic obsidian]

Warlock yup

[vale sage]

Would you like to see my bog elf 3d model?

[jade hatch]

#dnd-newcomers has lots of useful info in its pinned messages

[wheat glade]

im obviously going to research in real time if im helping him

i dont remember clearly everything but ye if i search rq i get the idea clear

[stoic obsidian]

Hey Lily how you been?

[wheat glade]

he's new too, a hand from anyone is still good ig, kindness from a newbie is better than doing it yourself

[wheat glade]

ye the ones that get the powers from a god

anyway brb

[vale sage]

Do you guys want to know about my swamp elf race? I'm bored lol

[tame estuary]

Huh?

[woven flint]

Well, Warlocks don't necessarily get their powers from Gods.

That's one of their options, but Warlocks can get their power from any being powerful enough to grant power.

[tame estuary]

Bingo

[vale sage]

Sometimes I think warlocks and paladins are similar

[glass granite]

How so
They both have a binding set of clauses ig? In the form of an oath and pact.

[woven flint]

Paladins and Warlocks are nothing alike, though?

Paladins get powers from making an Oath
Warlocks get power from Otherworldly beings

[tame estuary]

Contacts and oath? It's all the same to me

[vale sage]

Uhh

I don't know what to tell you lol

An oath is similar to a contract

[woven flint]

You may say "Uhh" as though I've proved your point.

But Pacts are more binding than oaths.

You can break an Oath without much consequence.

[timid current]

Likewise with a pact

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t say all pacts

[timid current]

Unless there's a section of the class features that says otherwise your behaviour is not dictated

[vale sage]

However I'd say that the only thing that defines the difference is the kind of being you are making an oath, pact, deal, etc with

[woven flint]

Eh.

[glass granite]

(Considering there’s the existence of a being who may not be all to happy with you)

[tame estuary]

Depends on the DM and depends on the oath and pact

[vale sage]

True

I mean they are different true

[tame estuary]

Stray from the oath a bit, repent. Stray from the pact a bit? Eh do a little ritual

[woven flint]

You also don't have to make an Oath TO anyone else

[tame estuary]

You make an oath to the name of the subclass

[vale sage]

Why I like barbarian, le bonk.

Nothing more complicated

[glass granite]

I like monk
Rhymes with bonk

[timid current]

Pacts have no obligation to be anything other than a background contract. "I will sell my door knob to beelzeknob for the ability to level up as a warlock" is exactly as feasible as "I will forever be locked into antagonistic servitude to Ronnie the archive and have to decide between killing my friends or losing my powers"

[vale sage]

I've never really looked into monk before

[woven flint]

Well, actually according to how they're pronounced 🤓 /j

[glass granite]

My accent kinda haves them sound similar

[vale sage]

I'm curious of your accent now

I have a thick Welsh accent

[woven flint]

You know, I wonder if they're ever gonna bring back Ascendant Dragon Monk

[tame estuary]

Elements pretty much covered them right?

[vale sage]

Also guys, I really don't like dragons

[woven flint]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying

[glass granite]

I pronounce “monk” I lil closer to the “onk” in “bonk” when I’m talking fast

[hot gate]

Nobody show them the cover art guys

[woven flint]

If they brought back ascendant dragon, I feel they'd have to change up its functionality quite a bit

[vale sage]

Oh fair, I just roll all of my Rs and sound very singsongy

[woven flint]

Nobody tell them that the game is called Dungeons & DRAGONS
They'll loose it!

[vale sage]

Uhoh

I think dragons just get a little boring for me

I like big fire lizard but I really do not like intelligent dragons

I like wyrms more

[hot gate]

ngl, actually meeting dragons that want to talk is rare in campaigns I've run and played in

meeting them at all is fairly rare

[vale sage]

That's fair, talking dragons are my least favorite type

[rough basalt]

I've never used a dragon in combat

It's always something social related.

[tough sandal]

My party parleyed with a green dragon, and now it's an invaluable ally. o^o

[hot gate]

They make for fun social encounters for sure.

[rough basalt]

I roll too well to use a dragon

[vale sage]

I find that talking dragons just come off as corny at times

[rough basalt]

I'll end up rolling max damage on breath and my players won't have the skill to roll successful saves then they'll die

[vale sage]

It's like "bro I want to use your skin for scalemale why do you have to be intelligent it's putting me off"

[rough basalt]

I mean Dragons in dnd are technically people

[hot gate]

That's certainly a choice of priorities

[vale sage]

That's why I don't like em

[rough basalt]

They're not animals.

[vale sage]

I'm a barbarian

In real life and on tabletop

[hot gate]

-# Also, tell me you play a certain video game without telling me you play a certain video game.

[vale sage]

I used to play monster hunter but I mostly play edf these days

[hot gate]

I knew it!

[vale sage]

I'm more of a souls and Warhammer guy

[rough basalt]

I do wanna use a dragon as a combat encounter sometime

[hot gate]

Anyway, actually crafting stuff from monsters is also very campaign dependent and the baseline rules don't require monster parts at all.

[rough basalt]

Just the gold

[vale sage]

Oh yeah I know but it's annoying having the dragon be all like "ooh my look at this little twerp that wants to kill me" like bruh I just want to cook your tail over a grill

[hot gate]

Alright, I don't vibe with that sorta humor I guess.

[mighty kestrel]

Random question: anyone know if followers of two gods get in conflict often? Or would be likely to get in conflict? Bonus points if one of them is willing to do anything to achieve a certain goal (such as inhumane experiments or something). I haven't taken the plunge into learning the gods/demons yet, just trying to figure out where to start

[rough basalt]

Yeah I don't allow that stuff personally.

Unless it's like an actual animal.

[vale sage]

It's just sometimes talking dragons just are annoying rather than add anything to the game itself

[rough basalt]

Makes me uncomfortable

[hot gate]

You do you. Please don't ping me anymore on this conversation, thanks.

[vale sage]

Lol

[clear lark]

I wouldn't say talking dragons are annoying, but likely the DM who is playing the dragon. lol

[vale sage]

Yeah probably

[tame estuary]

You can but don't really roleplay a player being mean to other players

[vale sage]

But meh just never found it interesting in general, even in stuff like lord of the rings

[tame estuary]

Dragons are cool tho

[hot gate]

Depends on the sorts of conflicts you and your table want to play out. It's less about the underlying reasons (theological) but more about the intraparty conflict that needs to be discussed.

[vale sage]

I mean yeah, but not when they give monologues

[tame estuary]

Didn't they release a movie about riding dragons this year?

[rough basalt]

Best way it can be done is an above table agreement.

[mighty kestrel]

No, definitely not trying to pit players against each other. I'm trying to think up a background for a story but I want it to be believable instead of just 2 random gods

[rough basalt]

Like if you two players agree for your characters to make jabs at each other for your opposing beliefs

[mighty kestrel]

It's for something that happened 100 years ago so not really affecting the players directly

[tame estuary]

DM questions go to #dm-discussion

Else we assume you're a player

[raw ocean]

My character became the king of the dragons and our party member just switched to a noble ranger of the empire [direct enemy of the dragons], I wonder how it's gonna work out

[vale sage]

Maybe you could set it up so that a decision later on will cause a conflict of decision within the party but does not cause in fighting

[mighty kestrel]

Ah thanks, I didn't see that when scrolling through the options

[raw ocean]

Forgot rangers existed for a bit

[vale sage]

Dark souls 1 backstory about to ensue

[raw ocean]

Atp im genuinly gonna have to slime out my own party or convince the daughter of tiamat to become good

[vale sage]

Lmao

Ngl in my campaigns I just sorta become the "bonk" dude and the dumbest elf ever

Which is what I like

I don't mind being the side character as such

[vale sage]

That could either be really funny or go horribly wrong

[raw ocean]

The party dynamic right now is: a Draconic Vampire Emperor, a Kobold–Drider mixed-breed Princess, an old dying man, an Imperial Noble Elf, a mutated buff dude, and an edgy demon buff dude.

One dude is controlling both of the buff dudes

and his character in this other campaign is a buff dude, dude really likes making buff dudes

And they all have black hair

[vale sage]

That is very weird lmao

[vale sage]

I mean for me it's buff dude with long hair because that's me lol

[raw ocean]

Ones an illrigger

Ones an half dragon

Ones a human monstrosity?

[clear lark]

I'm having a hard time getting used to monsters being PC's. I was brought up on just the defacto humans and humanoid types (Elves, Haflings, Half-Orcs etc.)

[knotty basin]

Since when are monsters ok to be PCs?

[crimson gulch]

the compleate book of humanoids has been out since 1993, nearly as many monster races as now

[raw ocean]

Since the beginning of time

Goblins

[lavish flame]

Something something "Let your players play a Dragon" something something

[hot gate]

You already made the step from just humans to elves, halflings, half orcs and so far. Keep walking.

[wheat glade]

ngl id consider them all gods

[raw ocean]

I got warlock powers by rolling to seduce the dragon 🥀

[fossil bramble]

Yo, i have this problem that i really like to play dnd, but i never have time to play this since my hobbies take so much time and energy, and when i have time im siply just too tired to play. So how can I get time for dnd and also i really like my other hobbies. Also sorry for interrupting yhis conversation

[raw ocean]

Completely unintentional too

[wheat glade]

to be really honest, i think u gotta take something off and id tell u to not choose sleep for it

but if u rlly dont have time, say bye to something, doing too much will just stress you, the important is that you have fun doing whatever your hobbies are

[fossil bramble]

Okay shii, it's gonna be hard to choose. Since i really like all of my hobbies

[wheat glade]

try finding something that you can take a few days every 2 weeks or so, so you have time for it

[wheat glade]

rearrange them

[fossil bramble]

Yeah hmmm... Well i have this band thing going which i can end probably

[raw ocean]

Try keeping the more productive/useful hobbies

[fossil bramble]

Yeahh, I'll do that

Thank you ppl

[raw ocean]

Finally found a way to cheese golems in without the stupid golem manual

[gaunt roost]

Hey, was anyone lucky enough to get the pre-release of forge of the artificer, and can tell me if its true that warforged no longer have the cool 2024 UA modular build-a-warforged options, and are in fact streamlined to be basically just the old 2015 warforged with some things mildly rewritten?

[raw ocean]

I got the pre-release, they added 20289 artificer subclasses

That's all I know

[gaunt roost]

thats a lot of artificer subclasses. Still not enough though

[exotic lava]

what do you guys think non-d&d players believe is the reaction to d&d players rolling a nat20?

[raw ocean]

"OH MY GOD WE INSTANTLY WON THE GAME!!!"

[gaunt roost]

if the media is to believe, random yelling for at least 3 minutes

[raw ocean]

The truth is "The king finds your claim to the throne funny, He gives you mercy with a chuckle"

[gaunt roost]

they will never know the pain of rolling a crit on your personal vendetta BBEG, only to roll like 12 damage

[raw ocean]

Nat 20 is best scenario possible

But as a chad DM myself, if my players set up a cool move and roll a nat20 I just let them kill the bbeg

[tough sandal]

Yep, Nat 20s after a long bookend encounter is basically the game telling you "END IT."

[raw ocean]

The best DM advice is "Play with your players, not against them"

Unless they do something literally impossible and refuse to try anything else

[west vale]

I’d recommend playing dnd adventures league. Since each session is a self contained adventure about 2-4 hours long, you can play as often as your availability allows you to.

[fossil bramble]

Wooww

Can you tell me more about it since now i got a bit interested

[glass granite]

#adventurers-league is a channel fyi, idk what they do tho

[warm crane]

guess who has been building spell lists wrong for over a year... (thought spell slots available meant i also get that amount of spells for said level)

[fossil bramble]

Oh alr I'll check that out

[haughty ledge]

I’m ngl, ever since I started DnD, I’ve had the best time ever. It’s been two years (maybe) and it’s amazing.

[fossil bramble]

Dnd truly is amazing

[gaunt roost]

it feels weird that new warforged techncially need food, water and air. But can just ignore their constant hunger, thirst and need to breathe because they dont get exhaustion from starving

I get it though. It was the most clear cut way of allowing them to eat, drink and smell if they want without making up a trait just for that

it does raise some questions regarding their metabolism though. I am not sure I want the answer

[drowsy kite]

Hello Everyone! 😊

[past blaze]

They're not in any way blocked from benefitting from things like heroes' feast, potions, or being affected by gaseous stuff (like "i don't breathe so no cloudkill?")
and they are immune to the mechanism by which those hazards inflict any negative effect

[lyric idol]

In the wise words of Vox in Hazbin Hotel, "This is better then s**!"

[glass granite]

Hallo!

[tame estuary]

does your character poop is one of those questions that will have to be asked one time

[lyric idol]

I havent really looked at it yet I was too focused on the new Artificer but making a warforged require food water and such is uh a choice.

[raw ocean]

What do you guys think the best CR 10-17 pet would be?

[gaunt roost]

They dont ahve buttholes though. They rarely even have butts. They are robots!

[gaunt roost]

See they "require" it but they get a trait that says they dont get exhaustion from starvation, dehydration and suffocation. So technically you can ignore those needs, but are in a constant state of those three feelings-wise, which is. A thing.

[lyric idol]

Yknow...I could work with that. I could make a boss of the week thats a Warforged that cant seem to sate those feelings no matter what it does causing it to go crazy.

[gaunt roost]

Pet as in something that you keep and love and cherish? Roc, because its actually still mostly an animal and if you can buy enough elephants for 400gp you can keep it fed (if it goes hunting people will be angry). Anything above int 3 (and even that is pushing it) and you wander close to slave territory, anything under 1 (aka constructs) is furniture that moves, not a pet

[raw ocean]

Dog true polymorphed into giant monster

still a good little pupper but has the looks of a "He don't bite, pet him!"

[gaunt roost]

Given the tendency of dogs to chase things smaller than them, explore things (and people) with their mouths and generally having the tendency to chase things running away form them, probably not anything dragon or huge with acid spit?

[woven flint]

"Oh, our dog? He don't bite... but our Druid does.."

[lyric idol]

Is it slavery if its a mutual agreement of "I provide you plenty of food and water and shelter, you provide me with assistance in battle and protection and help me with small tasks"

[raw ocean]

I was thinking about getting 2 dogs and true polymorphing them into steel predators

[gaunt roost]

if that person has no better life prospects than serving you and sacrifice their life for you for food and lodging? Yeah, thats still slavery

[lyric idol]

Well tbf I think part of the agreement is "they can leave whenever the reason why they stay is they like both the agreement and the person theyre agreeing with". That is, assuming they arent just buying a CR17 creature from a shop.

Which....Why would you allow that?

[gaunt roost]

if a particularly stupid hill giant or whatever has a work contract with you to work for food for his big round wife at home (they love their round wifes) then he is likely in a bad work relationship in which you take advantage of his low intelligence, but thats not slavery. Putting a collar on a drow and calling him your little pet and sending him naked with a dagger to fight dragons, yeah thats your slave

[lyric idol]

Maybe you just befriend a big ol stupid hill giant and he comes on the adventure with you (idk man I wouldnt give my players a CR17 pet. I have hard enough time balancing the game as it is.)

[slate vector]

Yoo what's up

[raw ocean]

My DM is throwing dungeons at us designed for max level parties, im going to use true polymorph to make death hounds and no one is stopping me

[tame estuary]

why so high

a trex would already be the best pet anyone could ever find

[stoic obsidian]

What everyone’s opinion on legendary resistance?

[raw ocean]

Im turning two dogs into steel predators

[raw ocean]

For monsters or players?

[tame estuary]

players don't get them

[glass granite]

They’re fine

[slate vector]

How's everyone doing

[stoic obsidian]

Only monsters/enemies can have them

[glass granite]

I’m alive

[slate vector]

Same

[tame estuary]

I hate legendary resistance, I wish there's like a "break" status you can do to just remove the legendary resistance outright

for like 2 rounds, that'll be fun

[raw ocean]

I remember my DM using a custom monster with 5 legendary resistances, im still angered by that fight

[stoic obsidian]

I have opinion that they can make crowd control spells feel less useful to an extent, and make the spellcaster use more damage spells, tho solution is to include targets that can be affected

[valid geyser]

I think legendary resistances are kind of a necessary game mechanic, it I think it doesn’t help that most high level monsters have ludicrous high saves

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah

[raw ocean]

I once saw a 24 wisdom save thrown at the party, the attack had an average of 90 damage

[limber trail]

Admittedly legendary resistances are kinda important to not have important fights that just fall apart with one spell

[valid geyser]

I think that in theory having people whittle down resistances with the spammable saves like topple mastery before they can use those big spells like banishment is a good gameplay loop

[stoic obsidian]

It like legendary resistance need to rebalance a little

[limber trail]

You gotta choose to use the resistance though, and that's the thing

[raw ocean]

I feel like legendary resistances should be saved for "You get one shotted or instantly defeated by this spell" spells

[limber trail]

no reason for the DM to save against topple if something like banishment is coming up

[valid geyser]

Oh for sure, that’s why I think they made push and prone effects so common. A monster might decide not dropping prone might be worth burning a LR

[stoic obsidian]

Time to topple, then immovable rod

[tame estuary]

ain't no one's using legendary resistance on topple bruh

[valid geyser]

But also high level creatures usually have a butt ton of movement so it’s not an issue if they only have 40 feet left

[limber trail]

I see legendary resistances as being used on things which instantly end an encounter. Mind control, a bajillion points of damage, etc

[stoic obsidian]

Ain’t no one using it against grapple too

[raw ocean]

My DM used legendary resistance when I cast otto's irresistible dance on a boss

[valid geyser]

But also the truth is that most creatures will just run out of hp before they burn all their LRs, especially if martial characters aren’t forcing them to make saves with attack riders

[limber trail]

I do think more ppl should balance their LRs around their party

I have one player who's realistically forcing enemies to make saves worth Legendary Resistancing, so I kinda just reduce the LRs on most of my enemies to 2.

[raw ocean]

Either way there's aton of ways to get past legendary resistance, just cast force cage and cloudkill

I remember when I did that to a group of people to defeat them

[valid geyser]

I mean that just because forcecage is a dumb spell that should be thrown into the abyss

[raw ocean]

That would be valid advice if I didn't just force cage you and summoned 30 tons of lava on top of you

[glass granite]

Counterspell

[raw ocean]

Counterspell

[tough sandal]

To that I say:

• Minions
• Counterspell

[limber trail]

Matter & Spell Effects can't pass through a forcecage, so you can't cast cloudkill into it, and it also allies teleporting enemies to make a charisma save to teleport out. Cloudkill also has a con save so it can be LRd.

[glass granite]

My glyph of warding counter spells you

[raw ocean]

You can make force cage into the bars version, which lets spell go through it?

[valid geyser]

Like, I don’t like to ban spells, but I will say that shopkeepers are always out of stock on ruby dust

[raw ocean]

So yes, I can cast cloud kill into it

[limber trail]

Oh god I always forget the bars rule

[stoic obsidian]

So stunning doesn’t care about size, guess I miss remember it

[raw ocean]

DM gave me a ruby weave gem, guess who gets 1 force cage a day no matter what

[limber trail]

okay it is a stupid spell

[valid geyser]

Oh yeah of course there are ways around it but I don’t love that a single spell means that my boss encounters all have to have either counterspell or teleportation
And I am mostly exaggerating to be funny

[raw ocean]

Every spell is stupid in D&D if you try hard enough, I personally despise ravenous void

[stoic obsidian]

What about Ruby of the war mage?

[snow agate]

Note to self..:ask ASMODEUS for ruby dust

[valid geyser]

Forcecage materials being made consumed in 2024 was definitely a nice choice.

[raw ocean]

That one stubborn player going into the mines themselves and getting rubies [382 dwarf causalities]

[stoic obsidian]

I prefer wall of force

[raw ocean]

My entire party got killed by a wall of force once basically

[valid geyser]

But I will say I can definitely treat components as a reward in a dungeon if I feel so inclined

[raw ocean]

Wall of force, boss casted ravenous void DIRECTLY inside of it

It was like a blender, only me and the wizard survived

[stoic obsidian]

One of you have disintegrate

[raw ocean]

Nah, I used teleport to get alot of us out

[stoic obsidian]

Good choice

[raw ocean]

Then alot of our party members teleported right outside of the void [it has a pull effect]

I was the only one who picked a far away spot

[stoic obsidian]

Did you use scatter?

[raw ocean]

Teleport spell

It was all I had at the time

[stoic obsidian]

You choose the destination, not the other players

[raw ocean]

We basically had a whatsapp call set up and I asked where they wanted to go, I assumed I could pick a different destination for each person

[snow agate]

Do you have a favorite magic school

[raw ocean]

Nope

[stoic obsidian]

That assumption, got a lot of people killed

Then again they did choose the wrong place to teleport to

[raw ocean]

Hey, im not the one who told the party to get into a force bubble infront of the enemy who did the ravenous trick already

[stoic obsidian]

Fair

[raw ocean]

But it was in the heat of the moment and I forgot it could do that

[stoic obsidian]

I get it man

[stoic obsidian]

Guess I was harsh

Sorry

[raw ocean]

all good, either way I diden't do as bad as our wizard

We were basically in the area of two bosses. We were fighting one inside its domain expansion, and the party wizard accidentally broke it, exposing us to the second boss. The party wizard then Force-Bubbled us to protect us from the first boss’s Meteor Storm, and then we got hit by Ravenous Void.

[stoic obsidian]

Oof

[raw ocean]

Same wizard who dropped crazy spells than as soon as their PC died, they suggested adding spell components to the game

Im still a little salty about that

[stoic obsidian]

…..

[raw ocean]

Literally pushed the boundaries of magic and rules, then essentially nerfed the spell casters when it wasen't his problem anymore

All I can say is, anger

[pearl hedge]

if i get a wish spell can i wish for more wishes

[raw ocean]

Spell would fail, that's outside of a wish spell's power

[pearl hedge]

ah i see

[raw ocean]

Best use in that case is to wish for the location of a ring of three wishes

[pearl hedge]

oh yeah that's true

[raw ocean]

More wishes but you work for it so the DM can't say you dont deserve them

[stoic obsidian]

Wait nothing can psychically go through a wall of force

[raw ocean]

You know how it's see through right, you choose a point where ravenous void spawns so ravenous void diden't go through, it started inside of it

[pearl hedge]

but the DM will be mad at you if you abuse the wish spell and probably won't make it happen etc

[raw ocean]

DM can be mad but also at the same time if a player is trying to get infinite wishes, let them

Give a man everything and he will find nothing but boredom

[pearl hedge]

i wish for 300 camp supplies

[iron kiln]

Is it just me or does the new artificer subclass feel nothing
Like an artificer subclass

[pearl hedge]

tactician right?

[iron kiln]

Cartographer

[pearl hedge]

ohh

[stoic obsidian]

Had to check ravenous void, and it checks out

[glass granite]

Cartographer doesn’t look that bad from what I’ve heard of it. It sounds decent actually

[valid geyser]

Yeah cartographer from what I remember of the ua seemed pretty bad

[raw ocean]

Mhm

[iron kiln]

Instead of reworking the subclasses one of which is pretty much unplayable cough cough alchemist cough
They added a new one that doesn’t remotely fit the vibes of what an artificer is supposed to be form its own description

[glass granite]

They didn’t fix the alchemist? Shucks

[valid geyser]

Like I guess corporate mandated artificer also gets a teleportation themed subclass while also relying on faerie fire????

I don’t really get what faerie fire has to do with maps

[atomic kayak]

Alchemist is fine

[tame estuary]

should've been hunter's mark

[atomic kayak]

It even got a bunch of buffs with this release

[iron kiln]

Right sorry I also love gambling

[stoic obsidian]

Wow, yeah the wizard tried and failed

[atomic kayak]

Its not really that much gambling with how many free potions you get (near all of which are always useful)

And as always, you can spend 1st level slots for things that are better than most 1st level spells

[iron kiln]

Just normally don’t like playing Russian roulette with all the achohal and medication in my kitchen

[stoic obsidian]

And asking for components now, so they be like do they have the component to cast the spell

I am like “you do realize that bosses don’t play the same rules we do right?”

[valid geyser]

One of the big complaints I heard about alchemist is the spell list not having a great spell for the level 11 like others. Armorer gets hypnotic pattern, artillerist gets fireball, cartographer has call lightning, alchemist doesn’t get much of the caliber

[atomic kayak]

A spell about finding/location that A) doesn't have damage associated and B) supports the rest of the team is my guess

[raw ocean]

Mhm, and they switched to an inf stun ranger build

Oh yeah did I mention that they made their new character's backstory to be an empire noble [Direct enemy of my kingdom]

[iron kiln]

Somtimes you’ll need healing somtimes you’ll need flight somtimes you’ll need speed
But when you need flying you don’t need healing when you need healing you don’t need speed when you need speed you don’t need a +1 bonus to ac

[stoic obsidian]

Oof

[atomic kayak]

Sure

[iron kiln]

Doenst matter if their good it matters that their not always useful

[atomic kayak]

But all of the things are almost always useful

[raw ocean]

Oh yeah they are also classist, so any character poorer than them or not a noble is instantly treated badly

[atomic kayak]

Its really only healing that is more narrow in usage

[iron kiln]

But they aren’t

[stoic obsidian]

Did they get kicked out?

[atomic kayak]

They literally are.

Bless, flight, movement, and AC are all always useful in combat

[iron kiln]

Ac and bless maybe flight and movement no

[somber mesa]

I miss Magical Tinkering, it was more fun than Tinker's Magic

[raw ocean]

No they are still in the campaign, btw did I mention everyone asks them about rules stuff

since they are the "Know it all guy"

[atomic kayak]

The idea that more and better movement aren't always useful is sure a take

[valid geyser]

Also it seems like one of its features is really reliant on the target failing faerie fire, which seems awfully niche considering that faerie fire takes your concentration and its only just int to damage

[raw ocean]

Imagine a rules lawyer that instead of making the game more balanced, stretch the rules for maximum power

[stoic obsidian]

You brought it up with your dm already?

[atomic kayak]

Unfortunately they can be quite common (even if they are often wrong)

[raw ocean]

DM is already upset about some of the stuff

[valid geyser]

Like it doesn’t seem to me that cartographer is super bad, just not as strong as some of the others

[raw ocean]

So im just gonna wait it out

[iron kiln]

My biggest issue is theming

[somber mesa]

Cartographer's Portal Jump seems really interesting for out of combat stuff

[valid geyser]

Halving time on crafting scrolls does seem cool though

[atomic kayak]

I think overall its fine mechanically. Better overall that the UA

Still hate the theming of the sub generally though

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and then you have the reverse situation, people ignores what spells actually say or assume what it does

[valid geyser]

Oh yeah it felt to me that the flavor and mechanics didn’t match up very well at all

[somber mesa]

Infinite use non-spell teleportation on an Artificer seems really fun to me

[raw ocean]

And they love to bring 3.5 stuff into 5E, which is genuinely evil showing stuff like that to a DM that's not the best at balancing

[atomic kayak]

I would've rather the teleporting artificer have been something with jewelers tools

[valid geyser]

Also there’s some rules weirdness about what holding the map means. They used weird terminology that kinda needs clarification if an ally needs to hold the map in their hands or just wear/carry it in their person

[iron kiln]

Yeah

I feel like it’s so badly wanting to be a wizard

[fossil hollow]

Cartographer should let people artillery strike

[stoic obsidian]

I hope it gets better for you

Also, I despise players that play a terrible person that isn’t fun for anyone

[knotty basin]

Rules lawyering is fine if you’re actually following the rules + not interrupting the game

[somber mesa]

an artificer all about magic gems would be awesome

[raw ocean]

They converted falling mechanics to make their 33 thousand pound sword into a spear of god nuke that did 700 force damage

[knotty basin]

Yeah that’s not how falling mechanics work

[somber mesa]

I can see why Cartographer has teleportation, it's probably because of all of the games (and minecraft mods) that allow you to set waypoints on the map and use map for teleportation and quick travel (especially with minecraft mods)

[raw ocean]

And somehow made 10 simulacrums

[cerulean monolith]

Falling rules only apply to creatures

[fossil hollow]

you want the improvised damage table for objects falling

[valid geyser]

Yeah I think I kinda understand teleporting, but I think movement speed bonuses would’ve just been the more sensical way to convey that

[fossil hollow]

ignore DT too

[iron kiln]

Depend son the game and the players

[atomic kayak]

That wouldnt even work even if the falling rules did apply to creatures, which it doesn't

[stoic obsidian]

I meant this

[valid geyser]

But now we can put “maps” in the list of things that can make you teleport according to subclasses, alongside trees, the moon (supported by two subclasses), and gods of murder

[raw ocean]

And now there are using some mechanic called "Called Shots" on their new character to stun for a round with like 10 + the attack damage so you need to roll a 35+ to not take the stun???

[somber mesa]

World Tree Barbarian allowing teleportation makes sense to me, I wish they could cast Gate as well

[raw ocean]

I don't even know anymore dog

[stoic obsidian]

If you make a character that doesn’t get along with the party and you treat them badly, yeah don’t expect people to rescue your character butt when you go down

[knotty basin]

Just say no to them

[tepid creek]

Can i get some advice on how to balance one of my players homebrew class?

[stoic obsidian]

You might need to leave the table sound like it not worth staying

[valid geyser]

Yeah I understand why, it’s just a little weak of a connection to me, since planar travel and short-distance teleportation feel like unrelated concepts to me

[knotty basin]

#homebrew

[shy stirrup]

Is this *more * broken homebrew now?

[valid geyser]

Also I think it’s weird that the world tree is an actual thing that gives people magic power and yet the great wheel is still the dominant model of mapping planes

[raw ocean]

Not even homebrew, just stretching game mechanics to near cheating

[tepid creek]

Thanks

[raw ocean]

I think they do something like this? "Debilitating Blow: A debilitating blow to the head deals 1d6 points of Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma damage (roll separately for each), and knocks the target unconscious for 1d10 rounds."

[knotty basin]

This is far past near cheating

[shy stirrup]

Is getting into +1000 Modifiers to all rolls territory

[raw ocean]

"Roll me a constitution saving throw and you must roll a 48 or be knocked unconscious for 1 round"

[atomic kayak]

No it isn't. The rules you say they are using either A) straight up don't exist or B) work the way they claim.

Its homebrew and cheating

[valid geyser]

I think they’re talking about 3.5 iirc, which I will say is bound to cause confusion

[raw ocean]

They are using 5E but ask the DM for some 3.5 stuff too

[atomic kayak]

Yea, its homebrew and cheating, simply put

[stoic obsidian]

The dm need to learn how to say no

[raw ocean]

Im gonna try to get more info on this and bring it up to my DM

[shy stirrup]

Some DMs find it hard to say no 🤷‍♂️

[raw ocean]

DM tends to say no to me

[jagged nest]

Anyone have a game that needs an extra

[raw ocean]

I saw that 3.5 stuff was allowed and I wanted a spell that allowed me to take an action whenever but I lose a full turn, the DM then nerfed the spell by only allowing me to use it twice a day

[shy stirrup]

What a mess of a table

[stoic obsidian]

Why it better to just play by the main rules

And not add other addition rules

[raw ocean]

And I guess you can double use rope-trick to travel forevor without being seen

[knotty basin]

So… the ready action, but worse?

[raw ocean]

Yeah, I just wanted it as an emergency spell to idk to save party members

[shy stirrup]

Online game or IRL?

[raw ocean]

Online

[knotty basin]

Just get spare the dying

[shy stirrup]

🤷‍♂️ Sounds like your frustrations are reaching a point of no return

[raw ocean]

And I guess in one turn the ranger can do 61 damage

with a base attack

And I guess she always has advantage to hit?

[crimson gulch]

If house rules can't fit on an index card I'm out personally

[shy stirrup]

Pretty much

[raw ocean]

and I got inf-stunned in a "mock battle" and the ranger character got 7 turns in a row