dnd-discussion

[sleek cloud]

Also necromancer is a wizard subclass so if they’re not level 3 they’d just be a wizard

[narrow moss]

true

[sleek cloud]

Unless 2014 rules

[hollow stone]

yea if they choose to intervene they'll roll initiative and be put into it in the round they enter on, i just need to know if anything mechanically explodes if a monster does something to another, like a red dragon burning a legendary resistance against a baby red dragon or any of the monsters with infant variants

[vale sage]

In the lore it would be a fallen general that failed its assault against the capital and failed. His god gave him a second chance and now hes a necromancer

[raven kernel]

It’s a lineage allowing you to play a skeleton or a ghoul, you’re literally a walking corpse, it’s from ravenloft.

[narrow moss]

oh cool

[sullen hedge]

i haven't played a plasmoid yet now that i think about it

[vale sage]

Ok thanks and it can go with a paladin?

[meager fractal]

How's the new lorwyn supplement for dnd? I hear the new elf is pretty busted

[hollow stone]

there's a fun tech with Mage Armor where you can cast it on a plasmoid and they can still traverse through impossibly small spaces without sacrificing it

[raven kernel]

Any race, it’s a lineage, only condition is that it has to be from a humanoid race which is near all of them.

[sullen hedge]

nevermind i found owlfolk i'm gonna remake my first character

[raven kernel]

Stealth ranger rogue, I’d guess.

[narrow moss]

lol go for it

[vale sage]

Last question: and in public spaces? What does he do?

[sullen hedge]

he was stealth rogue that like a certain bird, preferred the air
he did shoot a hobgoblin in the head with a crossbow and nailed him to a wall one time too

[narrow moss]

owlfolk sentry: whooo goes there

[inner silo]

Can a beastmaster ranger be sneaky?

[umbral girder]

Yep

[hollow stone]

i mean rangers are dex-wis so all of them are a little sneaky

[inner silo]

Alrighty!

[narrow moss]

whether he sneaky sneaky is up to you i guess

[hollow stone]

dex-wis is fun because you can play a nature accurate human, very quiet and very good at following

[noble basin]

you always got pass without trace if you need it

[umbral girder]

You could get Pass Without Trace for you and your companion

[sullen hedge]

what about a hoot ninja that suddenly hits you in the head with a crossbow bolt

[hollow stone]

that's a rogue

[narrow moss]

right they do have pass wIthout trace

[umbral girder]

Fun fact that is a Ranger in the book series “The Legend of Drizzt”

[inner silo]

Right, that actually could be very great! Perhaps we'll even be able to do stealth together then, as our fighter has good dex but wears heavy armour

[umbral girder]

He actually taught Drizzt how to be a Ranger too.

Except it was a bow instead of a Crossbow

[raven kernel]

Deathless nature and knowledge from a past life, it’s part of the lineage, he doesn’t have race feats but it’s replaced by the lineage.

Doesn’t eat sleep or breath, long rest is a necrotic trance in which he’s aware, resistance to decease and poison and decreases, and can rember things from a past life acting like guidance 1d6 only as many times daily as the players proficiency.

What he does in public spaces? Telling the guards he ain’t a threat to the city and not really undead like a regular monster, so making clear he ain’t a monster.

Reborn classifies as a humanoid, not undead, this is done so he can get healed, and importantly control undead doesn’t work on him.

[inner silo]

Is there any benefits to running dagger over scimitar?

[sullen hedge]

you can hide a dagger i guess

[hollow stone]

Piercing, throwable

[inner silo]

Is piercing better?

[hollow stone]

also easier to conceal

[narrow moss]

daggers seem more like hold out weps

[inner silo]

It's for dual wielding so probably won't make too big a difference as my other weapon is shortsword

[hollow stone]

i mean it depends on what you're hunting

[narrow moss]

idc how good you are you're not hiding that scimitar undee your clothes

[inner silo]

I'm hunting everything that looks fun to hunt

[hollow stone]

oh, daggers are lore accurate in terms of dual wielding

[inner silo]

"i just have a very prominent spine"

[narrow moss]

lol

[inner silo]

Yeah, i also like the flavour of that one more i think

[hollow stone]

people never really wielded two equal-length weapons, they had a regular combat arm like a sword and something small and defensive, like a buckler or parrying dagger

[sullen hedge]

i feel like i have a funny idea to introduce my owlfolk
every rogue typically is brooding in the corner but i'm just gonna brood in the rafters because i can people watch and i just like high places

[inner silo]

Have you heard of the mighty daggler?

[inner silo]

Sitting on the ceiling and eating a sandwich

[hollow stone]

not even once, but most manuals say "fight with a defensive and offensive option, offense-defense twice isn't super viable"

[narrow moss]

bonus pts if not brooding but just really like people watching

[hollow stone]

i mean in terms of dual wielding there is another classic that's a bit more modern: sword and gun

[sullen hedge]

"parry this you filthy casual"

[hollow stone]

not a musket or a rifle, something short like a revolver or a pistol, get their eyes on the sword and then shoot them

[sullen hedge]

what if he just looked like it because he was just having a nap in actuality

[narrow moss]

even better

[hollow stone]

ofc if your game doesn't have guns then sword and dagger is the most likely

[narrow moss]

what about hand crossbows

[hollow stone]

need two hands to reload, people didn't really use those much

[sullen hedge]

could i get away with being a mafioso rat

[inner silo]

Daggler is actually pretty op except deployment issues

[narrow moss]

if you need more than one shot you likely are in trouble already

[inner silo]

I'm not giving my silly mushroom a gun sadly, not yet

[hollow stone]

oh do you mean dagger + buckler?

[sullen hedge]

getting sidetracked i need a character to viably replace my hilariously strong current one

[narrow moss]

idk mafioso ratfolk? he is literally a rat tho would he be trusted lol

[sullen hedge]

rat mafia

[narrow moss]

i like it

[hollow stone]

yea you can absolutely reflavor a shield into a buckler-dagger with one handle, or a dagger the same way

[sullen hedge]

but i'm handling my owl first

[jagged kestrel]

Hello.

[inner silo]

Yup!

I watch too much sellsword arts

What are some prominent underdark animals except spiders and drow?

[hollow stone]

i watch them too, i got the reference once you mentioned "deployment issues" lol

[spring light]

flail snails

[inner silo]

Lol

[inner silo]

What are those?

[spring light]

snails with flails

[narrow moss]

oh my

[vale sage]

K thanks!

[inner silo]

How does it hold it

[narrow moss]

very carefully

[spring light]

with its slime

but also burrowing creatures would be fairly common, your worms, bullettes, beholders. . .

[sullen hedge]

would it be funny if my owlfolk just had a ghillie suit (nature's mantle)

[narrow moss]

spectators too then, yeah?

[spring light]

sure

[inner silo]

Beholder as the beastmasters beast

[narrow moss]

whatever the diet beholder is called

[limber trail]

Spectator

[narrow moss]

thought so thx

-# still sounds weird to me

[inner silo]

Does the animal companion of beast master die often?

[hollow stone]

depends on how you play it and how evil your DM is

if your DM is evil they're killing that dog immediately

[sullen hedge]

my campaign has deck of many things shenanigens involved
if i get the moon card how stupid should i make my wish

[inner silo]

My dm isn't very evil but i want to fight pretty agressively. I'm just deciding if i want my animal companion to be like a "friend" to my character or just a mushroom zombie

[narrow moss]

how attached to everything are you

[sullen hedge]

cause i had the idea of getting the ability of being able to nonmagically make myself invisible for however long i feel like

[tawdry sentinel]

Looks cute, incredibly dangerous.

[inner silo]

"make all old people look 10 years older"

[hollow stone]

then it depends on how evil your character is

[inner silo]

They grew up in the underdark, but they're trying their best

[sullen hedge]

you wanna know the worst part of the deck being in the campaign is

[inner silo]

?

[hollow stone]

if they are evil that little mushbaby is going to war

[sullen hedge]

i'm the scamp that has it

[inner silo]

Oof

[narrow moss]

for now.

[inner silo]

Yeah, I'm just deciding if it's a sentient thing or just a zombie myconids make for protection

[sullen hedge]

tbh yeah it is for now it all depends on if i get unlucky

[narrow moss]

Donjon.

[inner silo]

Because if it's zombie, more fun fighting, but if it's not, more fun characterwise

[tribal mesa]

I just reached level 3 as a hexblade warlock. I’m on the fence about becoming melee focused but my party needs a melee attacker. Should I do it?

[inner silo]

You're not a real hexblade if you aren't fighting it out at the frontline

[sullen hedge]

i've had a lot of void shenanigens but none of the players in my party have got donjon what does that do necessarily

[narrow moss]

lol

[tribal mesa]

Should I focus on buff spells just for me like armor of Agathys and Blur or do more debuff stuff like hex or hold person?

[narrow moss]

laughs evilly

[sullen hedge]

a bunch of characters got voided we had to fight hades

[inner silo]

Whichever fits the situation

[inner silo]

Jojo reference?

[narrow moss]

no don't think so

[inner silo]

Dam

I thought it was Funny Valentines line

[narrow moss]

you get spirited away. roll a new guy if your dm don't want a whole other side campaign finding and getting them back

[inner silo]

Make the new character so agrovating but only to the dm so they have to bring your character back

[narrow moss]

that is def not the approach to take

[inner silo]

It's not a good idea, no

[sullen hedge]

i thought that it was putting you in a dungeon or something where you either had to fight your way out or get helped out

[narrow moss]

it does. but you are helpless

short of Wish and even that could backfire, finding you is nearly impossible

[sullen hedge]

if it didn't make me helpless then there would be problems

[narrow moss]

it is a very nasty card.

[sullen hedge]

because my current character's specialty is running hands and he needs no weapons to do it

[narrow moss]

i suggest looking up Donjon

you'll understand then

[iron flower]

Hi guys, off topic rn but I'm creating a list of "Who is most likely to" but DnD version, does anyone have any question suggestion?

[inner silo]

If i ever get deck of many thing's, should i use it if I don't want certain death?

[sullen hedge]

i am looking at the official description for what it does i can see that the effect you said is what it does

[sullen hedge]

it is RNG incarnate

[inner silo]

Well, I'm playing a wild magic sorcerer so it's thematic ig

[narrow moss]

i would rather lose all magic items etc than draw donjon

[inner silo]

What's that?

[narrow moss]

and idk if that is even the worst card

but there are some cool cards that might be worth the risk

[sullen hedge]

cough cough moon cough cough

[narrow moss]

Donjon is you go to jail. do not pass Go. Do not collect 200 dollars.

[inner silo]

Dam, that's rough

I'm gonna give my players a Deck of Many Cards

[narrow moss]

it magic jail too so you can't bust yourself out. wherever you are.

i highly suggest studying every card before you do that.

[inner silo]

Dam

[narrow moss]

i really do.

[sullen hedge]

if they pull Sun, Star or Moon, things will be heavily derailed.

[inner silo]

I'm pretty sure i know every deck in a deck of cards

[narrow moss]

donjon is basically 'roll a new character'

[sullen hedge]

so is Void, your point being?

[narrow moss]

point being don't give out the deck on a whim

[rose wedge]

Isn't that like a campaign-ending type thing

[inner silo]

It's not the Deck of Many Things as they'll think it is. It's a Deck of Many Cards

[narrow moss]

lol okay in that case

[inner silo]

It's a deck of cards with a lot of cards

[narrow moss]

that silly

[sullen hedge]

Balatro type of campaign then

[inner silo]

Whenever my players draw one I'll say "as far as you can see nothing happens" and variations of that

[narrow moss]

slip some uno like cards in

'you draw a card. it says to draw 2'

[sullen hedge]

yeah they'll think it's fool

[inner silo]

Ngl goated, might make all cards uno cards, my players love uno for the most part

[tawdry sentinel]

That'd be cool, it has unlimited cards in so you can just keep drawing.

[inner silo]

They'll break the economy

[tawdry sentinel]

Tanking the price of paper

[narrow moss]

i like the idea the deck has so many cards because they all from different card games

[inner silo]

All 11 versions of uno

[narrow moss]

the horror

also the occasional tarot that does nothing but be a tarot.

maybe some hanafuda

[inner silo]

I might also make like 1 in 20-30 cards does something

[narrow moss]

of course. first time that happens it'll surprise them

[inner silo]

Nothing too bad or too good

[inner silo]

Also make every number of cards needed to draw for magic to happen after that random (whenever i think the campaign is getting too calm)

[narrow moss]

the only really magical thing about it other than that is they always find it in their posessions even if they get rid of it

hinting at something more

but maybe a trickster god just wants to see what they'll do lol

[inner silo]

Actually yeah. I'll need to make a set of actions which if they follow in some way, will end up with the god rewarding them

[narrow moss]

i think that could be cool

[inner silo]

Like actually using the cards for your benefit

And tricking someone else using them

[sullen hedge]

i can't help but feel that's a reference to koumei in warframe

[inner silo]

What's warframe?

[narrow moss]

i dunno but i do like warframe. do not remember koumei tho

[sullen hedge]

gambling frame

[narrow moss]

so many frames it easy to miss one

and warframe is robo ninja stuff that lets you flip around

mmo. very fun, Tenno

[iron flower]

Hi guys, I'm creating a list of "Who is most likely to" but DnD version, does anyone have any question suggestion to implement? Sorry for asking again but my message got lost in the chat lol

[inner silo]

"who is the most likely to try and taste a phone"

[narrow moss]

most likely to burn the tavern down in session 1.

[inner silo]

Most likely to befriend a myconid

[sullen hedge]

most likely to be the first one to seduce anything

[inner silo]

Isn't that just barb?

[narrow moss]

nah that is low hanging fruit

[iron flower]

one of the party is literaly a mushroom boy lol

[inner silo]

I did not typo

[sullen hedge]

i mean one of the bards in my first campaign seduced a lock
you heard me right a lock

[glass granite]

Most likely to accidentally kill an important NPC

[inner silo]

I'm hoping to soon play a mushroom boy too!

[narrow moss]

did it spread its mechanisms open?

[inner silo]

Mist likely to be the lone wolf character

[umbral girder]

Most likely to try to seduce the dragon
Most likely to succeed seducing the dragon
Most likely to touch the obviously cursed object
Most likely to split the party

[iron flower]

HAHAHHAHAHA

[sullen hedge]

if i decide to roll my human samurai i might just try do a funny with a fey

[hot marlin]

We will never let the seducing the dragon meme die apparently

[sullen hedge]

well you can thank donkey for that

[umbral girder]

Most likely to be sent into the Lady of Pain’s maze

[iron flower]

my d20 prob

[narrow moss]

you should worry about seducing it successfully

you are smol. dragon lorge.

at best you're part of its hoard now.

[inner silo]

When are we getting a playable giant race

[narrow moss]

why ask me

[inner silo]

You seem like a smart and knowledgeable person

[narrow moss]

not that smart lol. thanks tho?

[hot marlin]

1. Dragons are not romantically interested in you
2. You are at best a pet or entertaining child to them
3. Dragons can shapeshift

[reef tundra]

Already there. Goliath

They were made more giant-like in 2024

[inner silo]

Some people would like the 2nd point

[inner silo]

They're not 30ft tall sadly

[hot marlin]

And to answer the question: there will likely never be a playable giant race. PCs are either medium or small size. Wotc is pretty committed to that

[reef tundra]

Take what you can get

[narrow moss]

sure they can shapeshift. doesn't mean they will

[inner silo]

Ah well

[inner silo]

I'll take it

[lavish flame]

Having a Large PC species would be wild if you kept track of hunger and hydration. Large creatures eat and drink 4× as much as Medium and Small

You'd blow through rations incredibly quickly

[inner silo]

Thank you goodberries

Problem solved

[reef tundra]

Also small enemies (which includes a lot of the iconic enemies, cough cough goblin) can’t grapple you and generally be far less of a threat to the large PC

[hot marlin]

Do goodberries replace hydration too?

[reef tundra]

Problem unsolved

[sullen hedge]

Also Large PCs can exploit the Oversized Weapons ruling if the campaign has that feature

[past iron]

What's the topic?

[reef tundra]

Currently, how a large player species would affect the game

[hot marlin]

So yeah. No large playable races and that is for the best.

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[atomic kayak]

No, those rules are for monsters not PCs

[dapper kiln]

Having large PCs would be fun.

[hot marlin]

Honestly I still think many currently playable options should just not be available to PCs

[past iron]

Oooh. Large player species would be hard to do because most campaigns are designed around the player being medium or below.

[sullen hedge]

hence why i said if the campaign has that feature (could've worded it better tho in all fairness)

[hot marlin]

Looking at you oathbreaker.

[atomic kayak]

It having the feature is irrelevant? Its something always on in every campaign by default. Its how monsters work.

[sullen hedge]

oh one of the PCs in my party is a dirty oathbreaker cause he tried bisecting one of the other members

[reef tundra]

There are many ways to be temporarily large. That’s enough for me

[hot marlin]

And the rest of the party did not decapitate him and feed his corpse to the dogs?

[sullen hedge]

as in if players could have the same feature

[sullen hedge]

oh no we were on a huge staircase and he got "accidentally" kicked off of it for trying to ride the wildshaped druid

[atomic kayak]

Then I don't get your question? Thats saying you asked "can they use the feature if they can use the feature"?

[hot marlin]

One way to get rid of the troublemaker I suppose.

Seriously, normalize killing PCs who misbehave

And I'm talking inglorious deaths.

[dapper kiln]

That can be taken as targetting and easily cause IRL issues IMO. Not worth the risk

[sullen hedge]

that's why i'm contemplating giving my Warforged character sheet to my DM when he does later campaigns just to weed out murderhobos

[reef tundra]

I do that loads

[umbral girder]

That’s for monster design not an actual rule

[sullen hedge]

my warforged is an unfun-sized jumping in one package cause he's an echo knight and punches people harder than monks do

[hot marlin]

I once dealt with a PC who sabotaged my ship in order to have me under control by cutting off her leg and leaving her in the middle of the desert.

[clear lark]

Another way to deal with troublesome players is to read the guidance in the DMG 2024

[umbral girder]

Anyway I believe large creature PCs are avoided mainly because they don’t fit in a lot of dungeon maps and they have to take in 4x more food and water a day, and I think there’s some stuff involving armor too

[vapid berry]

So what is everyone's favorite class/sub class to play? I'm still finding mine

[hot marlin]

A large PC simply would not be able to follow the party in DotMM

[dapper kiln]

The food and water aspect isn't something that's really considered much.

[umbral girder]

Ranger and maaaybe Fey Wanderer

[hot marlin]

Kensei, hexblade, bladesinger, tempest cleric.

[sullen hedge]

samurai

because i have an excuse to make an MGR reference when rolling one

[clear lark]

Yeah food and water, isn't really a thing unless it's what that DM was going to do anyway, or is always part of their adventures/campaigns

[sullen hedge]

it's the only thing i know for real anyway

[hot marlin]

It can be very important in many campaigns

[atomic kayak]

Monks, rangers, druids, and clerics tend to be my favorite classes.

Subs... a lot harder

[lean wigeon]

i like fighter

[reef tundra]

Oath of vengeance paladin

[sullen hedge]

i think i can see your favourite race and subclass too

[atomic kayak]

Can pretty definitively tell you my least favorite class is wizard though. Still have never played one in 5e. Just so immensely boring

[hot marlin]

Now the classes I dislike the most? Barbarian, rogue and sorcerer

Those three can go to hell.

[reef tundra]

My favourites /notsarc

[sullen hedge]

i feel like fighter is marred by the basic "Fighter-Man" stereotypes

human fighter is the cheerios of dnd characters

[reef tundra]

A fighter can be so much more

[atomic kayak]

I could maybe handle playing one for a oneshot but. Man I could not handle one in a campaign. Dreadfully boring

[reef tundra]

And cheerios are just fine

[cinder timber]

Is it helpful?

[clear lark]

Cheerios is healthy

[dapper kiln]

Fighter is amazing. I love roleplaying someone strong enough to just crush stuff with their bare hands and stuff. Sadly most DMs try and keep fighters on the 'realistic' side.

[hot marlin]

I like wizards because they have out-of-combat gameplay. Collecting spells for your spellbook can be involved and fun

If your DM is up to it.

[clear lark]

It is for me.

[atomic kayak]

Every other class also has out of combat gameplay and isn't boring about it to me

[dapper kiln]

Had a Dhampir Fighter once that just punched through the thin wall of a house and drag the dude behind it due to her high Strength

[sullen hedge]

they'll hate my warforged because all he does is punch things into the dirt with his echo helping with the jumping

[lean wigeon]

i think fighter is conceptually fine
yes it's a bit plain and generic but that is kind of the point, to provide a generic chassis for "guy who fights good" characters

[cinder timber]

Realistic in what way?

[dapper kiln]

Gotta be more creative to do stuff as a Fighter out of combat. Don't got a canned ability to use.

[reef tundra]

I feel like every class in dnd has it’s worth and is fun (except wizard to me)

[reef tundra]

It’s just people mistaking their subjective opinion as objective

[sullen hedge]

i think the bearded scarred veteran appearance for fighters that seems to be the norm would be so much better if they were just like jetstream sam or something

[dapper kiln]

In the sense that you can't really do fantastical things unless you're 'magical' or use spells.

[cinder timber]

I cant even comment cause I havent tried all the classes. I gravitate towards a few usually.

[hot marlin]

My philosophy teacher used to say "Objectivity is just the name we give to subjective opinions when they're held by the dominant people"

[atomic kayak]

Your teacher must've hated the existence of gravity

[reef tundra]

While I personally do not enjoy playing wizard, I know that many many people do. I do not consider it a bad class, it is not a bad class. It’s just that I don’t like playing it

[cinder timber]

Yeah, I guess that's true. Makes sense to me, tho.

[reef tundra]

But that doesn’t make it bad.

[hot marlin]

Actually she was quite passionate about physics too. And she would probably have explained that it's something different.

[atomic kayak]

I wouldn't say wizard is a bad class, cause its not (no class is). Its just dreadfully boring

[dapper kiln]

Thus the issue of 'fighters are boring' :P
Most fighters aren't being allowed to do fun stuff without magick

[cinder timber]

Really? Why do you say that?

[reef tundra]

Well that’s something we agree on

[atomic kayak]

mostly primarily? its class features. Or more accurately - the lack thereof

[hot marlin]

I don't quite find wizard boring to be honest. By all accounts, I think it's less boring than sorcerer, rogue, barbarian, fighter...

[reef tundra]

But I don’t think it’s objectively boring, it is just that I as a person am not the kind of player that enjoys it

[hot marlin]

But you are right about the fact that it's one of those classes where the class is poor and the subclasses make the difference

[cinder timber]

I guess. I just like spellslinging.

[atomic kayak]

There is an aspect of me that dislikes wizard for the whole ""wizard is objectively the best class!!!!!!" thing that gets thrown around (especially in more recent years) but wizard has always been my least favorite even before that (and technically speaking, not the fault of the class)

[uncut zenith]

The only time I find wizards boring is when Wizard players pick the same spells every time coughcoughfireball. But that’s not an issue with the class itself.

[atomic kayak]

If I wanna be a spellslinger thats what I have sorc or warlock for

[brittle beacon]

I find wizard and cleric to be my least favorite classes in terms of play

[timid current]

The trick is every class can be used creatively, but casters get significantly easier access to mechanically supported non combat contributions

[cinder timber]

I mean. . . It's fireball tho

[hot marlin]

I always found the sorcerer to be the wizard but worse in every way to be honest

[inner silo]

Champion fighter healer

[reef tundra]

Yeah while I encourage people to speak more subjectively and be mindful about others’ opinions, I also don’t feel too bad about wizard slander sometimes because a lot of wizard players are very annoying

[hot marlin]

Worse spell list, worse mechanics... More creative subclasses perhaps?

[reef tundra]

I always found it to be the wizard but more fun in every way.

[atomic kayak]

Mechanically the ""gap"" is minuscule in actual play and also the gap is fake and the class itself has such better flavor and actual mechanics that its not even a contest to compare wizard and sorc. Sorc wins handily every time

[brittle beacon]

monk, barb, fighter, and sorcerer are my favorite classes

[inner silo]

Metamagic and wild magic sorcery. 2024 sorcerer is goated

[lean wigeon]

i think sorc has more evocative and distinct fantasies personally, compared to wizard who's just "hey i took a different major in college"

[reef tundra]

I love metamagic

[atomic kayak]

the only thing that makes wizards "good" is "spells" - and if you entire class is quite literally just "spells" - thats bad and boring

[reef tundra]

Every time I play a full caster that’s not sorcerer I just miss it

[hot marlin]

In flavour? How exactly can you compare flavour?

[atomic kayak]

By comparing it?

The sorc flavor is better than wizard, its that simple

[hot marlin]

Yes but by which standards?

[craggy summit]

Yessss I love sorcerer

[still plover]

Class is a bucket of features. Character is what you make of it.

[atomic kayak]

My standards. These are in fact my opinions?

[reef tundra]

You find it better than wizard

[inner silo]

Also sorcerer subclasses have so much aura

[hot marlin]

Of course. I am asking what your standards are

[reef tundra]

Some people would prefer learning magic from nothing way cooler than just being born with it

[atomic kayak]

Yes that is the framing of everything I have been saying since the start, no need to reiterate it on every single message

[umbral girder]

So we got Werebears.

Wonder what a WereOwlBear looks like

[uncut zenith]

Doesn’t change what I said. Fireball is overrated imo

[atomic kayak]

I like it if I like it - its really not deep

[uncut zenith]

And even if it wasn’t overrated, it’s boring seeing everybody who has access to it pick it

[still plover]

Garou Crinos with a beak.

[narrow moss]

idk isn't Fireball... dad magic?

loved that post

[sullen hedge]

So... like Hootsie from Legends of Avantris then? (once upon a witchlight specifically)

[inner silo]

What are the damage alternatives for 3rd level spells?

[reef tundra]

Lightning bolt

[atomic kayak]

Lightning Bolt for one - upcasting other spells among others

[inner silo]

Is it better?

[hot marlin]

Lightning bolt. Upcast any 2nd or 1st level spell

[still plover]

It's fun.

[atomic kayak]

Its so extremely comparable

[narrow moss]

any spell is situational

[inner silo]

Is lightning bolt saving throw or attack roll?

[hot marlin]

Same damage, line instead of sphere, doesn't set fire to the building

[atomic kayak]

You don't need to make "the best" choice for every aspect of a character to have a good character - not even a great character

[reef tundra]

I find that they’re more useful depending on positioning of enemies and resistances

[inner silo]

I see

[uncut zenith]

Lightning Bolt’s biggest issue is that it relies much more on positioning than Fireball does, but it deals the same amount of damage and of a damage type that’s resisted less frequently than Fireball.

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[sullen hedge]

but nothing beats 8d6 in a 20 foot radius JUST FIREBALL-

[hot marlin]

And let's not forget: Lightning bolt does not set the surroundings on fire. That is its biggest advantage

[narrow moss]

i imagine it'd be great for a narrow hallway if your party is out of the way

[sullen hedge]

before you ask my last message was a jocat reference

[clear lark]

meteor swarm says, sit down young man

[reef tundra]

Yeah. Different spells will do better than others in different scenarios

[atomic kayak]

thunder step storm sorc my beloved ❤️

[inner silo]

There's also upcast scorching ray depending on number of targets, or if you can get advantage on it

[inner silo]

Or actually no, it's just worse

[hot marlin]

In any case, fireball is best against, like, a horde of goblins. Upcast scorching ray is better against fewer big targets

[tawdry sentinel]

Fireball just rolls a lot of dice in a massive area. It is very good at killing things for its level.

It doesn't upcast well. But when you first get access to it, it solves many of life's problems that do not involve collateral damage.

[atomic kayak]

Although my personal favorite fireball alternative is Erupting Earth

[inner silo]

Scorching ray is 8d6 damage total though iirc, so if the fireball hits even 2 targets it'll be much better

[marble silo]

my interpretation: use Fireball like a grenade

[atomic kayak]

Incidentally, a reason I love druids so much

[narrow moss]

always has been a grenade

[inner silo]

Who's spell list is it on

[marble silo]

open a door, throw a fireball into the room, close the door, listen to the screams of your victims

[atomic kayak]

non-con difficult terrain my beloved

[sullen hedge]

oh wait i just remembered my warforged can do all of this you guys are saying

[narrow moss]

or a rocket. big bada boom

[atomic kayak]

druid sorc and wizard

[clear lark]

Grenades only have a 5ft kill radious. Fireball is more like an artillery round

[inner silo]

Ah, nice. Ngl explosion from below the earth sounds fire

[narrow moss]

true but it can be tossed as casually as a nade

is def a bigger boom tho

[marble silo]

yeah but this one also sets things on fire, so it's more like a napalm strike

[sullen hedge]

stop giving me ideas i'm gonna have to double my efforts on rolling up my owlfolk if i wanna avoid committing war crimes with my warforged tomorrow

[uncut zenith]

The fact that it even does as much damage as it does is purely due to legacy too, so it’s basically a meme that WOTC can’t hold onto. And again, that damage isn’t so high when you stop and realize just how many official monsters in D&D are resistant or immune to fire anyways.

[atomic kayak]

an underrated alternative to fireball - or perhaps more accurately: a more precision aim version of fireball that I really enjoy is snowball swarm

[uncut zenith]

It’s a good crowd/minion clearer, but it’s not that great of a spell imo

[atomic kayak]

2nd level, 3d6, 5ft radius sphere

[inner silo]

Can't find it

[atomic kayak]

Erupting Earth is from Xans

[inner silo]

Ah ok

[sullen hedge]

all this is cool but i have two words for this

[tawdry sentinel]

That's how I feel about it tbh. You get it on 5 when you're still fighting a sizable number of things it CAN one shot, it's god tier, and then it's pretty irrelevant shortly after.

[hot marlin]

In many situations, I feel that erupting earth is better

[inner silo]

Is dual wielding good?

[hot marlin]

Difficult terrain is incredibly useful if you know how to exploit it

[inner silo]

The feet

[tawdry sentinel]

I like binding ice but that's more because I like ice magic in general

[clear lark]

Fireball's damage increase in slots

[atomic kayak]

Binding Ice is also great

[hot marlin]

Average. One more attack for less damage, but no free hand, no shield.

[inner silo]

Ice knife good?

[inner silo]

I mean the feat

[clear lark]

Yes Dualw wielding is good. Any extra attack is good

[hot marlin]

Oh. Yeah the feat is good

[narrow moss]

i mean dual wielding can be good

[uncut zenith]

There are better spells to cast with those limited higher level slots

[rough basalt]

2024 made duel wielding pretty dang good

[narrow moss]

that is good then

[inner silo]

Alrighty. Which weapon is it best to use with?

[atomic kayak]

Binding Ice was of an era of spells where they were doing a lot of new "to end this after they fail they need to use a full action" spells - for related reasons this is also why I love Caustic Brew

[sullen hedge]

all this is cool and all but just shoot them in the head with a heavy crossbow what's the big idea

[hot marlin]

It is rather rare that a damage spell is actually worth upcasting

[narrow moss]

unless you have the feats to compensate it best to use weapons that won't make you miss all the time for dw.

[rough basalt]

Scorching Ray upcasting with new Sorc can go pretty crazy

[hot marlin]

To be fair, I used to play PF1 where the consensus was that damage spells were almost a waste of spell slots

[uncut zenith]

The only time I typically do is when I’m out of slots of the minimum required level

[inner silo]

How so?

[uncut zenith]

I don’t upcast a 3rd level damage spell because I think it’s a good idea, I do it because I’m out of 3rd level slots.

[rough basalt]

Innate sorcery gives you advantage on all attack rolls and each ray is an individual attack roll

[clear lark]

Spells don't have to always one shot things. They can just dwindle their HP enough for the Melee characters to finish them.

[uncut zenith]

Unless I know for a fact that what I’m fighting against is vulnerable to the damage type, in which case I might increase the casting level

[inner silo]

Isn't it only 8d6 single target damage?

[hot marlin]

And honestly I still think it's true. Sure, casters can and should use their spell slots to quickly clear the lesser enemies, but for the big foes, their spells are better used on utility and debuffs and the likes

[inner silo]

Or split into 2d6 between different targets

[rough basalt]

2d6 per ray

[tidal bloom]

So does anyone wanna review my phase 1 of my homebrew Monster I made?

[rough basalt]

You choose how many rays hit each target within range

[narrow moss]

each ray is an attack so not always targetring the same dude

[inner silo]

3 reys +1 from upcasting. Fireball does 8d6 in a 20ft area

[narrow moss]

or you can just go brrr on one.

[rough basalt]

Fireball also can't crit and enemies can be good at dex saves/magic saves

[inner silo]

That's true ig

[sterile rose]

haiii

[inner silo]

Hi

[narrow moss]

henlo

[hot marlin]

It's a matter of estimating your foe. Some foes have evasion and a high dex save, or magic resistance. For those, scorching ray is better

[sterile rose]

question

[clear lark]

It's a chance you take. You can't prepare for everything

[rough basalt]

How stuff scales has a matter in it too

[sterile rose]

what is the benefit of sorcerer vs wizard

[rough basalt]

AC doesn't scale as hard vs saves when it comes to monsters

[inner silo]

Metamagic vs more spells and different subclasses

[sterile rose]

so like which is better

[narrow moss]

one is innate the other studies. mechanically tho idk

[inner silo]

Right. Ig that makes sense. Also warlock multiclass for hex

[sterile rose]

whats innate

[rough basalt]

In 2014, Wizard is better.
In 2024 they're pretty even.

[marble silo]

wizards learn/study magic
sorcerers just have their magic

[narrow moss]

probs depends on what role you want your char to accomplish?

[sterile rose]

oh

[marble silo]

mechanically... you'd have to look at the two to compare

[sterile rose]

ok

[narrow moss]

there is no one right answer

[inner silo]

Both worse then ranger

[narrow moss]

they have their pros and cons

[hot marlin]

Wizars pros: Better spell list, more versatility in the sense that you can have every spell in your book eventually
Wizard cons: Require more tactics and ability to anticipate when preparing your spells
Sorcerer pros: Metamagic, weird subclasses
Sorcerer cons: Worse spell list

[sterile rose]

wait so

if i sent my thing can someone tell me which would b better for me

[uncut zenith]

I wouldn’t say the sorcerer spell list is worse, but they’re definitely more limited.

[narrow moss]

maybe? try char discussion

[sterile rose]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/155845744/q2vEtP

[hot marlin]

Head to #character-discussion

[sterile rose]

o okkk

[uncut zenith]

And iirc they can’t change/prep spells as frequently as wizards, so once you choose a spell to prep, you’re stuck with it for longer than a wizard would be.

[narrow moss]

they might be able to help there

[hot marlin]

Or #optimization

[craggy summit]

it definitely is, but that's the wizards identity. They have the biggest and probably best spell list in the game. At the very least, best out of the arcane 3 (warlock wiz sorc)

[timber holly]

Hi

[narrow moss]

hullo

[umbral girder]

Sorcerers get less spells but can use Metamagic to change the rules of the spells.

Wizards just get a lot more spells.

[timber holly]

Can you be an oathbreaker paladin without losing your paladin powers

I met someone who wanted that

[clear lark]

yes

[narrow moss]

isn't oathbreakwr just a diff kind of paladin now

[craggy summit]

That might be up to the DM

[timber holly]

A subclass I think

[inner silo]

The edgy paladin

[hot marlin]

Oathbreaker is a paladin subclass. You very much do not lose your powers

[narrow moss]

lol

[clear lark]

You don't lose anything as a Cleric or Paladin in 2024

[narrow moss]

you get the powers of an oathbreaker but probs not the subclass you did have? idk

[uncut zenith]

At least per the 2024 rules, characters who are gifted abilities can’t lose them. For example, divine magic isn’t borrowed, it’s given, and even the gods can’t take back what they’ve bestowed on others.

[narrow moss]

ahh that's cool

[timber holly]

I thought being an oath breaker would make it so you lose a lot of your privileges

[uncut zenith]

Nope

[clear lark]

In older editions

[uncut zenith]

If that were the case, you wouldn’t have an entire subclass to play

[narrow moss]

older editions you lost it all straight up

guess maybe with a chance of atonement? dunno for sure there

[uncut zenith]

It’s also worth remembering that Oathbreaker is a bit of a misnomer. They’re not just a Paladin who broke their oaths, they’re a Paladin who broke their original oaths and swore new ones in explicit pursuit of evil.

[narrow moss]

true

[hot marlin]

Depending on the class. Some classes you were just banned from taking more levels in it

[narrow moss]

yeah

[uncut zenith]

That’s kinda how I rule it myself. If you’re a warlock who is directly disobeying your patron’s orders or acting against their interests, the warlock isn’t going to give you more powers.

[umbral girder]

Not in the 5e material

[uncut zenith]

They’re not gonna take away what they’ve taught/given, but they’re not gonna teach/give you more. That said, this is just a DM choice/house rule, not a written rule.

[timber holly]

Oh
So basically there's no actually incentive to not become an oath breaker

[old sluice]

Well you can lose privileges. In the sense that you may be banned from whatever order you were part of

[umbral girder]

Besides your subclass

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, but that’s not the same as losing your mechanics

[narrow moss]

sometimes it is

[uncut zenith]

Maybe in the case of like… using Renown, sure

[old sluice]

True.

[timber holly]

So it's essentially saying you lose your privileges but not really

[uncut zenith]

You may lose your privileges narratively, but not mechanically.

[narrow moss]

well 5e paladins work differently to begin with

[hot marlin]

Eh. Non-mechanical consequences depend on how mean a DM feels like being

I've seen one PC have to spend their life thwarting assassination attempts by the churches and holy orders of Helm. I've seen another be basically ignored

[uncut zenith]

I did that with a Warlock PC I DM’d for lol

[timber holly]

That feels kind of dull
If you don't actually lose them then that feels I like the game doesn't really support its own narrative

[uncut zenith]

They verbally stated they wouldn’t serve their patron anymore. So the patron made a pact with an NPC and sent the new Warlock after the PC to “tie up loose ends”.

[uncut zenith]

Well, as I stated earlier, powers gifted are not powers borrowed.

[pearl hedge]

@narrow moss new PFP looks great

[uncut zenith]

Deities and other powerful entities don’t lend abilities to people, they give it to them. Can’t take back something that’s no longer yours.

[hot marlin]

It's a bit like exalted. You get to become a chosen of the sun god for heroism, but if you turn into a raging murderous psycho, the sun god still can't take it back

[clear lark]

Yep. It happens when the game moves former god centered classes away from them. Although the Cleric still depends on a god/pantheon for a few of their class abilities, but that's as far as it goes. They won't be denied. Of course some people might want to role play their Cleric/Paladin as deity dependent

[hot marlin]

Also notice that archdevils and demon lords can't cast eldritch blast. They create warlocks but it's not their power

[uncut zenith]

In fairness, archdevils and demon lords have much stronger things they can do than cast EB

[hot marlin]

Of course but you understand what I mean

[clear lark]

That depends, because Asmodeus is a Lesser god and previous Deities and Demigod books gave gods powers not listed in their descriptions

[hot marlin]

Asmodeus has a stat block in 5e and I did not see that in it

[cerulean monolith]

Asmodeus is not lesser

[clear lark]

He is in 2024

in the DMG

[hot marlin]

I don't recall 2024 listing gods as lesser or greater. But I skimmed through that part

[clear lark]

Divine ranks in DMG 2024 is Greater, Lesser and Quasi deities

[hot marlin]

Honestly, D&D would be better off abandoning this whole scaling of divine power nonsense.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, but I don’t recall the 2024 DMG listing deities (aside from the Greyhawk primer), let alone what their divine rankings are.

[hot marlin]

I will check the DMG I suppose.

[cerulean monolith]

Just did, it does not

[hot marlin]

Sam to the rescue

[narrow moss]

thank

[timber holly]

Thank you
I'll look into it more

[cerulean monolith]

Asmodeus is called greater in BGDiA, though, on page 4

Archdevil, greater god, and Lord of the Nine Hells

[hot marlin]

Time to turn the nine hells into a republic!

Down with the devil aristocracy! Equal wrongs for all devilkind!

[timber holly]

Also I don't know if it's just me but a lot of classes feel like they're really unlimited inter potential of what kind of direction they go to (nature, cosmic, war, holy...) but the truth feels very limited to nature
I know it's probably intentional but it does feel a little weird compared to the other classes

[cerulean monolith]

Huh?

[clear lark]

page 205 of the DMG. I found it in less than 1 sec

[hot marlin]

I'm sorry I just don't understand what you are trying to say

[signal anchor]

The thing about me is that im young but I wanna play D&D. Yet most players of D&D are adults..

Anyone know something I could do?

[past blaze]

find a game with people that aren't averse to someone younger

[timber turtle]

Was there a spell that greatead a image of yourself that copied actions you did?

[hot marlin]

Some adult tables allow young people but you might be uncomfortable. Have you considered checking if your school or local game store has people who might be interested?

[signal anchor]

How may I find one?

[hot marlin]

Simulacrum is probably not what you want but it's the only thing I can think of

[cerulean monolith]

I do see the part where it mentions his power scaling now, but earlier I was talking about them listing deities, which they don’t

[signal anchor]

I mean, my school has A DND club. But its every month

[cerulean monolith]

Once a month? Ridiculous

[past blaze]

The same way you would find a regular game, just filtered. This server has the #find-a-game channel/category for a reason

[signal anchor]

Also since we have the week off next week im getting postponed again. (THE WEEK IM SUPLOSED TO COMD BACK)

[timber holly]

Basically I can see a nature a themed paladin, warrior or most other classes
But I can't really see a holy (like church) themed druid

[clear lark]

No I said that they grouped Gods into divine ranks. Not that they have them all listed.

[hot marlin]

Well, go there, meet the people, see if some are interested in making something a bit more regular

[signal anchor]

You think people would let a young person like me play?

I have once, and I was so happy. Its waiting every month that kills me about it

Dan friend burnt down the forest and now we're wanted by the cops

[past blaze]

I've played in groups when I was younger, and my current group has had a younger player.

[cerulean monolith]

Asmodeus is the supreme ruler of all devils and wields the power of a lesser god.
Doesn’t say he actually is a lesser deity, and given that the most recent sources list him as one, I would still say he’s greater

[clear lark]

One way to find out is to find a group to join

[signal anchor]

Thank you everyone, ill try and find a group willing!

By the way, since im just starting DND. If I join a group will I need to make a character sheet before or after

[sullen hedge]

ideally before

[past blaze]

typically characters are created for a campaign. You can't always predict every DM's character creation rule preferences, allowed homebrews, or other content.

[signal anchor]

Ah! Good point

[past blaze]

making character sheets as practice to figure out how things work is perfectly valid however

[signal anchor]

I was so worried when I first went to a meeting in D&D club that my skeleton chatacter wasn't playable

[past blaze]

yeahhhh stuff like that is the reason

[signal anchor]

But Skelek rises

[hot marlin]

Ah I see. Well, sometimes D&D players group supernatural powers into the following categories:
Arcane (wizards, bards, sorcerers, warlocks)
Divine (clerics)
Primal (Druids, rangers)
Spiritual (monk)
Then subclasses to the non-listed classes also link them to one of those things. But only for the non-listed classes

[signal anchor]

Ironic considering he's undead//

[past blaze]

highly possible that a DM might want official content only, no homebrew. They might have their own homebrew options, maybe one of those clicks with you so much that upends what character you want to play

[signal anchor]

My DM did say that there was a race that could make my skeleton character work, but I can't find my sheet to remember who it was

[past blaze]

Reborn?

[signal anchor]

Oh yeah that

[lean wigeon]

monks are technically psionic no? or is this my 4e brain talking

[past blaze]

They are not psionic

[lean wigeon]

ah oki

[blissful dragon]

I knew a player that just played human but as a skeleton

[signal anchor]

Its funny that my class is a monk. And im playing as a skeleton.

There is no biology there.

[past blaze]

that just makes me think of a human being cursed to look like a skeleton, illusory

[past blaze]

monk doesn't require biology. even Warforged and Autognomes can be monks

[signal anchor]

Oh dang that's cool! (I legit know almost nothing about D&D tbh I just wanna stab at goblins )

[vapid berry]

Dnd is soooooo fun to play!

[signal anchor]

Me and my idiot friends origin in our first game was we were going to the kingdom of Wisconsin. (Yes wisconsin) and our horses died of heat stroke

[past blaze]

Well, if you wanna dive in, take a read through the basic rules and ask any further questions about them in #dnd-newcomers for help

[cerulean monolith]

Okay last thing I have on this topic: Asmodeus being described this way isn’t new. MM14 says:

Asmodeus is the supreme ruler of all devils, and the only creature in the Nine Hells with the powers of a lesser god. Worshiped as such in the Material Plane, Asmodeus inspires the evil humanoid cults that take his name.

[turbid vessel]

i've always wanted to play a monk who's bodily enhancement is done through temporary elixirs and boosters. take a swig of a stim and u can flurry your blows

[signal anchor]

It is!

Imagine an alcoholic monk

[vapid berry]

Amazing

[signal anchor]

Like he was banished by his monestary and resorted to drinking away his sorrows

[turbid vessel]

drunken master monk is right there for a reason lol

[vapid berry]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[signal anchor]

"The Drunken Druid." Goes hard tho

[narrow moss]

look if you got enough magic or curse to walk around as a skelly then you can hit as hard as you want

[lean wigeon]

pathfinder fixes this check out the playtest drunken master monk subclass

[turbid vessel]

sounds like a recipe for disaster if its given to the wrong type of player
"no you don't understand, i HAVE to play him as an unlikeable belligerent drunk or it's not realistic"

[lean wigeon]

that kinda what their lvl6 feature does

[signal anchor]

People like you is why I love dnd

I love that i made a colony in a videogame and it spanned into a whole TV show where a mad scientist creates magic and finds a way to tell the future.

[narrow moss]

nice

was it rimworld

[signal anchor]

Well, tv show idea

Nah..it was um (embarrassing feeling)

Roblox..

[narrow moss]

lol yer fine

[signal anchor]

I am young after all. And I dont have a computer for gods sake and I want steam so bad you dont know how much TF2 is calling me

[narrow moss]

i like the idea of a scientist going 'fine if magic doesn't exist i'll do it myself'

[signal anchor]

The funniest thing is, he didn't intend it to be magic. His friends found out it could be used as magic and used it for themselves

But he's so fed up with them he didn't even care

[narrow moss]

well... magic is just science that has yet to be explained

[signal anchor]

Well, speaking of:

[narrow moss]

whatever the quote was.

[signal anchor]

I can't post photos nvm lol

If you've ever heard of utility fog that's what it is

Feel like i shouldn't be tlking about it on a DND place tho (I got a bit off tracl)

Does anyone know a good place I can share my TV show idea?

[narrow moss]

hm. the non dnd topics channel?

[idle oar]

If it's not-D&D than #non-dnd-topics is the best channel

[hot marlin]

On the other hand: You can play a belligerent unlikable drunk and still make a great character

[narrow moss]

yep

[hot marlin]

Some of the best characters in fiction are unlikeable belligerent drunk

[narrow moss]

maybe he is belligerent to anyone not paying his tab aka the party are his new besties

[turbid vessel]

oh absolutely, but my point is that a "narritavely great" character doesn't always equate to a fun character to play alongside. it's a balance that's case-by-case across different tables

[hot marlin]

Oh no. You can make a great character who doesn't get along with the party. The PCs don't need to be friends, sometimes a more fun dynamic for the table is teeth clenched teamwork

Of course it takes skill.

But just because something is difficult to do does not mean you should not try

[turbid vessel]

i feel like we're saying the exact same things but taking 2 different approaches to it lol

[hot marlin]

I was starting to consider it too yes

[narrow moss]

probs are

ultimately it is down to the players and talking about what you want the char to do

communication, i know.

[hot marlin]

Anyways what I mean is that there is no such thing as a problem character. Play an evil PC, play a fanatic, play a guy who hates the party, play a stickler for the rules, play anything. As long as you're not a problem player, you can make it work

[narrow moss]

exactamundo

[hot marlin]

Obviously some concepts are much harder to play well than others.

[past blaze]

"it's what my character would do" is as excusable as making said character in the first place, for better or worse

[hot marlin]

Thing is... You should not have to say "it's what my character would do". If you played your character well up to that point the other players should say "yep, it's what his character would do"

[narrow moss]

exactly

those are dreaded words

[hot marlin]

When you have to explain what your character is doing, it means you have failed at conveying your character to the other players. You have been playing them for yourself as your own audience rather than collaborate

[clear lark]

The difference between a Lawful Evil person and Lawful Good, is the Lawful Good would say "we should do something to help these poor starving people". The Law Evil would say, "They wouldn't be poor and hungry, if they pulled themselves up by their boot straps."

[narrow moss]

would love to see a dm turn it around when questioned why the guards are locking him up tho.
"It's what my characters would do."

[vapid berry]

I wanna play a dnd themed phantom of the opera game so badly

[hot marlin]

Also accept the consequences: When you play a thief, you accept that the law might catch you.

[narrow moss]

that would be peak

[turbid vessel]

"alright the guard is going to attack you now."
"nah."
"i'm sorry?"
"nah i don't agree. that doesn't sound like something he'd do at all."

[past blaze]

that too.

[narrow moss]

okay so what you are saying is you do nothing to defend yourself. roll for damage.

[turbid vessel]

just unionize against the GM lol

[hot marlin]

Some time ago we had a conversation about the distort value spell. It's the same. Use that spell to scam merchants, expect to be arrested and put on trial. Depending on the laws, it could be the death penalty

[narrow moss]

if you are caught

[hot marlin]

Obviously

[narrow moss]

always should have risk. more fun that way

and who says you thought of this first?

i imagine the entire merchant's guild got fed up with scams etc.

yay world building lol

[hot marlin]

Personally I like taking inspiration from history when it comes to laws. Did you know that stealing goods worth more than a shilling carried the death penalty in England, Wales and Scotland under the Bloody Code?

[umbral girder]

Sounds to me that if you gotta steal more than a shilling you might as well go big and take a LOT of stuff

[hot marlin]

Might as well!

[umbral girder]

Because either way the punishment is the same

[hot marlin]

(Actually there weren't that many executions during that time, despite the fact that more than 200 crimes were punished by death. Often the courts sent the offenders to Australia for slave labour. Which was seen as a clemency. It is possible that the laws were made to make that slave labour acceptable in comparison to the death penalty that the offenders were threatened with)

[cerulean monolith]

Lae’zel put it best: “Killing is good - it culls the weak. But theft would be paid for painfully, a thousand times over.” /j

[hot marlin]

Also yeah! That is also a thing to take into account when worldbuilding a legal system: If there is an incentive to enslave people, lands requiring labour, the law is likely to criminalize misdemeanours more harshly to justify slavery.

Countries that do not practice slavery prefer exile, fines and executions to imprisonment.

[remote lynx]

What's the difference between dnd's different editions?

[woven flint]

Lore, Mechanics, Classes...

[turbid vessel]

different rules on how the game works, and different content available

[hot marlin]

Too complicated to explain on Discord. Matthew Colville, I think, has a video about the history of the editions

[woven flint]

they're all D&D, but they all often look like different games

[lavish flame]

game rules mostly.

obviously like "release year" is different too, but thats not what ur asking

[umbral girder]

Yeah if you wanted a dungeon crawl you'd likely want AD&D, if you want mechanics that are busted with way too many customization options there is 3.5e, if you want an actually balanced game you go 4e, if you want a game with a lot of cool lore that is 2e, if you want a bit of all then that is the current edition.

[hot marlin]

Simply put:
1st edition: Rather bare. Made for dungeon crawling.
2nd edition: Gets more intricate
3rd edition: First one to really fix the features that will become D&D standards. Rather complex.
4th edition: The strange one. Streamlined to the extreme. Not as well received as it deserved
5th edition: Current one. Probably best said to be an extremely streamlined 3rd edition

[turbid vessel]

also remember that the vast majority of players will play the most updated and current edition, which is 5th edition

in case you're wondering about searching for tables out in the wild

[karmic mason]

So my first time playing DnD might be the worst thing ever.

[lean wigeon]

AD&D 1e and 2e, as well as Basic, are more your typical dungeon crawler fantasy RPGs
3e/3.5e was kind of the shift where D&D started taking on a more heroic fantasy tone

[minor lake]

why?

[hot marlin]

Were you forced to marry a kobold, had to roll a save not to puke on a party member during your wedding feast, lose the cleric because he fell down the stairs, and have the DM punish you for asking about a basic rule he fundamentally misunderstood?

Because that was my first time

[minor lake]

that's rough

forced to marry a kobold?!!

[turbid vessel]

my first time consisted of a table lying to me about teaching DnD so they could have another player for their Pathfinder table

[karmic mason]

Person playing a changeling bard with the express purpose of getting handsy and romantic

[minor lake]

ew

[cold badge]

D&D whilst drunk must be an experience

[lean wigeon]

i wanna kiss boy kobolds :3c

[hot marlin]

Yep. He took some glee in describing my character reluctantly going to the bedchamber.

[keen valve]

Yeah, adult themes should only be explored amongst consenting adults.

[minor lake]

bro wtf

[violet basin]

lol

[minor lake]

ERP with friends is weird to me

[keen valve]

Trust me the marriage was far harder for the kobold.
(Joke to lighten the mood.)

[cold badge]

that’s a thing?

[minor lake]

thats not even ERP thats just illegal

[minor lake]

yeah ive met some weird dudes that really wanted to ERP

that's why we do session 0 now!

[cold badge]

man, that should be private stuff.. wait, he wanted to do it with you?!

[minor lake]

i was the dm lol

[violet basin]

what am i missing, Enterprise Resource Planning?

[keen valve]

Ok I don't think this topic is one that should be dived into here.

[minor lake]

fair

[turbid vessel]

yeah, kids as young as 13 could be on this server

[woven flint]

Hello, Friends

[clear lark]

Too much to mention. The way AC is calculated, as well as how attacking AC works. How rounds work or the number seconds in a round. The lethality of spells, not as much now in 5e or 2024. Initiative rolls etc.

[minor lake]

session 0 is the best

[cold badge]

being under 13 breaks discords terms of service though..

[turbid vessel]

that's why i said "as young as"

[clear lark]

Being younger than 15 breaks D&D's

[loud tendon]

Let's return to discussion of d&d please..

Disclosing or requesting exact ages is against our server rules fyi

[cold badge]

rip

[karmic mason]

Oh it gets worse.

[woven flint]

I've been having trouble naming my Harengon Wizards new dragon daughter

I drew the dragon card, got a Spirit/Song Dragon and Now I'm pondering the orb. because

1. My Harengon is now that father of a little dragon lass
   And
2. I'm bad at naming things

We're calling her "Slate" as a nickname as she was just born last session and is new to the world, I, personally thought of Nicknaming her Canvas because it sounds a little more feminine to me lmao

[delicate owl]

Mana

[karmic mason]

The way she described it, she will quite literally be encouraged by you pushing her away.

So in other words, I have to deal with this.

[violet basin]

Pnévma

[woven flint]

What the hell.

[karmic mason]

And my ONLY option will be ignoring her

[karmic mason]

Exactly.

[violet basin]

in game and in real life

[karmic mason]

God I wish I had the option to make my character blind just to ruin her idea

[median spear]

Hey guys whats that map thingy

[violet basin]

its a thing with locations marked on it

but thats not important right now

[remote lynx]

Ill consider 3.5e then, since I'm not exactly enjoying 5e so far and want to try more things.

[woven flint]

Alternatively, leave the table or talk to the dm about the problem
No D&D is better than Bad D&D, but having the problem resolved can be equally as good

[violet basin]

^

[umbral girder]

3.5e is very bloated so good luck

[remote lynx]

Isn't this basically harassment..? talk to the dm about this

[median spear]

Did i like
Walk into smth

[narrow moss]

idk

[lean wigeon]

what about 5e do you not enjoy

[keen valve]

Bloated but ultimately fine imo. It does handle some content better than 5e. I'll never like that 5e lacks Lore: (Subject) skills.

[violet basin]

dumps a list on you, but i still play it anyway.

[karmic mason]

The issue with leaving is this is a school club.

And a thing I'm in requires me to be in a club.

[violet basin]

that stills seem radically inaporipriate behavior

[karmic mason]

Exactly.

[violet basin]

and should be dealt with by an adult supivisor

[umbral girder]

And of course don’t be afraid to check out other systems. Pathfinder, Draw Steel, and Daggerheart are all similar to D&D in their own ways

[narrow moss]

chain of command baby

[woven flint]

Talk to the principle about the harassment or an equally as responsible adult

[karmic mason]

So I'll try talking to the DM about it.
He can tell her no, and I'll HOPEFULLY be able to get it settled.

[remote lynx]

It just doesn't seem like my type of game, but ill find out more when i try more rpgs. I'm currently on a quest to explore different rpgs with my players

[violet basin]

Cast Command "flee" on her. and then run in the other diection

[narrow moss]

if the dm does nothing, go thr next step up in authority

[woven flint]

I think that its even worse in a school setting.
That's like, straight up weirdo shit

[lean wigeon]

well, what is your type of game then

[karmic mason]

Meaning the club sponsor

Then principal

[loud tendon]

One person's "character concept" does not trump the entire tables comfort levels or the wishes of another person's character.

Definitely a good time to have an earnest out of character player talk and loop in the DM

[narrow moss]

yep

[remote lynx]

Oh, don't worry, i am. I'm trying out different rpgs (and systems) to see what me and my players enjoy the most

[karmic mason]

It gets worse though!

Cause her list includes skeletons summoned by our warlock.

[woven flint]

WHat.

[violet basin]

Sir, thats a normal tuesday in most schools (young people being weird.)

[karmic mason]

Yup!

[woven flint]

That girl needs to GO!

[violet basin]

no excuse for it if it makes people uncomfortable, butits an issue that needs an adult to handle

[karmic mason]

I uhhh

I think I'm gonna talk to the DM about her AND her friend.

[violet basin]

no

[karmic mason]

Just because I don't feel comfortable with either of them at all in the party.

[violet basin]

do not talk to her friend, talk to whomever is supervising the whole thing

[narrow moss]

imho it doesn't matter how well you might roll, a player gets a choice for that sorta thing

[karmic mason]

Not talking to her hand

[violet basin]

maybe you need to find a different club

[woven flint]

the Girl and her Friend.
The DM is a seperate person

[karmic mason]

None of the other clubs would fit in schedule at all.

[woven flint]

they're gonna talk to the dm about those two problem people

[violet basin]

my point is to NOT talk to a friend of a person whos being weird. talk to the dm sure
talk to a supervisor, sure
if asking that person already didnt work, don't involve their friend. go to the authorities

[woven flint]

To clarify, I don't believe they were talking about talking to those two.

[karmic mason]

I already told the problem that I would not like it, so next will be DM

[karmic mason]

I didn't

Her friend just seems like she's uncomfortable too

[narrow moss]

if that char tried anything with me i would just be 'well bless your heart'

[woven flint]

Just cast fireball

Better yet?
Meteor Swarm

[karmic mason]

That would work

...if not for the fact that she wrote her character as a masochist.

[narrow moss]

she can enjoy being dead then

[remote lynx]

i honestly don't get making a character like that unless the other players or dm are comfortable

[karmic mason]

Our warlock would probably revive for some reason.

[narrow moss]

then do it again.

[remote lynx]

It's basically like stepping on a landmine, esp with strangers imo.

[karmic mason]

Good idea

[narrow moss]

not encouraging btw but yeah. if you at that point...

[karmic mason]

That, or kill the warlock, THEN the bard(s)

[narrow moss]

do try to resolve out of game tho

[woven flint]

In all seriousness, talk to the dm, don't be toxic in game to try and make a point because that's never the best thing to do.

[narrow moss]

nope

i'm sure there's some rule against sexual harassment etc yeah?

[karmic mason]

At this point
I'm just gonna tell the sponsor of the club(teacher)

[narrow moss]

might be best

[karmic mason]

Next time DND rolls around

I'm telling her straight up.

And if nothing happens then

How about the principal?

[violet basin]

just do it

tell the teacher

[remote lynx]

That's great, hope it works out for you since DND is tough with players that make the experience miserable, i hope you get to enjoy it soon, it's worth the experience

[narrow moss]

"i bash their face in with my fiddle, cast Mending... then do it again"

[violet basin]

just be like, hey 'this other person is making me uncomfortable with [insert thing here], can you please discuss it with her?"

[karmic mason]

god if i had reddit

this would instantly go into rpg horror stories

[sullen hedge]

ok i have now made my owlfolk able to shoot explosive crossbow bolts at people's faces

[karmic mason]

Sick

Also explain

[tawny blade]

Question:
Has D&D moved away from using the "Xth-level" notation for both class and spell levels? I've been DMing for years and am realizing that it has changed somewhat.

[narrow moss]

yeah if you feel unsafe enough just go to the teach yeah

[remote lynx]

also can anyone recommend any dnd (or generally just ttrpg) youtubers, cause i want ti improve and have something to listen to while i draw

[karmic mason]

Keep in mind this was session 0

And the DM wasn't even here.

[narrow moss]

oof yikes

i would let the dm know what happened regardless then

[karmic mason]

Like, horror stories? Campaigns? Anything?

[sullen hedge]

so the owlfolk just has a heavy crossbow, and one of his feats lets him copy some of the homework from the Arcane Archer subclass so he can shoot exploding crossbow bolts

[woven flint]

What.

[karmic mason]

Ok that's sick

[narrow moss]

been binging all things dnd lol

[karmic mason]

Yeah

I may be dropping DnD after session 0

[woven flint]

Why wasn't the dm there for session 0? 😭

[remote lynx]

General dnd content (Sorta like pointy hat) But anything works

[sullen hedge]

ok anyway what the hell is happening here with this DnD thing Dexeroch here is dealing with

[narrow moss]

but those are more stories that actual stuff to learn other than 'do not do this creepy thing'

[karmic mason]

He had to leave early

[karmic mason]

Creepy ass problem player.

[woven flint]

Don't let one person ruin your entire experince with D&D

[violet basin]

thats not a session 0

[narrow moss]

you sure?

[karmic mason]

I can explain everything related to this problem player in 2 words.

[remote lynx]

weird creepy harassy player (and player character)

[karmic mason]

Changeling Bard

That's it.

[lean wigeon]

i feel like dnd youtube is some of the worst places you could ever pick to learn D&D from

dnd youtube is
incredibly
opinionated

[violet basin]

send them to rpgbot!

[narrow moss]

imma play a bard and am def not gonna do the weird crap ppl seems to think bard entitles them to

[violet basin]

"Charisma" is not a free pass to the bedroom

[narrow moss]

consent is beautiful baby

[karmic mason]

That reminds me.

How heavy is a piano.

[fallen fable]

It has not

[narrow moss]

very heavy.

[violet basin]

depends on the piano

[narrow moss]

is it a grand piano? even heavier

[remote lynx]

I take it with a grain of salt because i run my sessions differently anyway

[violet basin]

is it a solid gold steinway?

[narrow moss]

it can be

[sullen hedge]

200 to 1200+ lbs
without freedom units it's 90 to 550+ kg

[violet basin]

piano made out of neutronium?

[narrow moss]

in other words it will likely kill anyone it falls on

[sullen hedge]

osmium next question

[karmic mason]

Cause I wanna make a bard fighter multi class that just lugs a piano around, just to bring the sweet tunes to everyone

[violet basin]

uh, and how exactly are you going to constantly rp having to fit that through doorways?

[narrow moss]

lol idk about that one but... might be smaller toy pianos idk

[karmic mason]

Charades and a cardboard box

[cerulean monolith]

Just do a magic keyboard

[narrow moss]

it dnd go wild as long as dm okie with it.

[violet basin]

how about a squeezy chest organ thing i cant recall the name of...

[woven flint]

Barbarian that only throws pianos at people

[sullen hedge]

the fun fact is bards aren't wholly restricted to music they can express it through words or paintings
but if you wanna do the piano thing then you can just do the asdfmovie bit with the piano

[narrow moss]

bagpipes?

[cerulean monolith]

Accordion?

[violet basin]

accordian

[narrow moss]

accordian too yeah

[tawny blade]

Really? I thought it had at least a little since pretty much every spellcaster uses that format now in its Spellcasting trait. Excerpt from Wizard:

Prepared Spells of Level 1+. You prepare the list of level 1+ spells that are available for you to cast with this feature. To do so, choose four spells from your spellbook. The chosen spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

The number of spells on your list increases as you gain Wizard levels, as shown in the Prepared Spells column of the Wizard Features table. Whenever that number increases, choose additional Wizard spells until the number of spells on your list matches the number in the table. The chosen spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots. For example, if you’re a level 3 Wizard, your list of prepared spells can include six spells of levels 1 and 2 in any combination, chosen from your spellbook.
If it is just a partial departure, do you mind telling me what contexts it would be proper to write it in the older format? Like I said, I'm experienced with 5e, but I'd like my homebrew to match with newer books stylistically.

[violet basin]

or a accordion?accordian? - bagpipe - trombone - harmonica - electric guitar hybrid?

[narrow moss]

lol a literal one man band.

[woven flint]

See, it'd just reflavor a Maul as a Keyboard and use it as the weapon

[karmic mason]

Just hold a piano to me via ropes, climb the walls of the BBEG's lair

Drop it right after the monologue ends. I'm stupid, not impatient

[sullen hedge]

the bard in my first dnd party was a chore to put up with tbh cause when we were in the middle of a fight all he did was run in playing thunderstruck

[narrow moss]

as you do

-# why IS it always thunderstruck

[tawny blade]

Isn't that like... his job?

[karmic mason]

What terrain was it.

[violet basin]

I again, go back to my many times mentioned comment of "adventueres should be ADVENTUERS" not slapstick gimmicks

[narrow moss]

why not both

[woven flint]

My only two Bards were an Actor and a Dancer lmao
they never used instruments whatsoever

[fallen fable]

Maybe check out the other classes for reference, but I didn't realize it was for specifically asking about the style, I thought you were asking if they'd moved away from spell slots sorry

[karmic mason]

Monty, Lord Of The Pythons

[narrow moss]

lol

[sullen hedge]

no as in he didn't do it to do anything related to the combat it was all he did cause it was the end after i shot the bandits in the face some 200 times

[narrow moss]

and his nemesis Saint Patrick

[sullen hedge]

it was normal as all hell terrain

[keen valve]

Druid?

[tawny blade]

Nah, you're good. Seems like this may not be the time to ask this here anyways. I'll check in #homebrew to see about how they do it over there.

[fallen fable]

I don't like bards as a class because of this

[narrow moss]

shame

[karmic mason]

He should have played Darude Sandstorm

[woven flint]

Monty the Yaun-ti

[narrow moss]

anyway here's Wonderwall

[lean wigeon]

imo we should bring back prestige classes, or at least the idea of it
we go back to having the standard 4 base classes: fighter, thief, priest, and mage, and have the other classes become specializations of those base classes
this will fix dnd i think

[violet basin]

90% of bards and their players are are 'charismam make me rizzzzzzz' types.

And I despise them.

[narrow moss]

lol

[keen valve]

That's not really a reason to dislike a class. You should be more critical on the players not the class, race, etc. Otherwise you end up in a situation where you dislike 7 classes and races and other things because people gave you bad experiences and you blamed what they played as and not what they as a person did.

[tawny blade]

Well, that's a pain. Misunderstood, sorry. Thought he was using the song to cast a spell, but no, uselessness.

[violet basin]

I dislike Bards

[karmic mason]

Here's my problem with this

Bard

[narrow moss]

not gonna like my satyr then

[karmic mason]

Where does it go.

[keen valve]

Is it because the class is bad or because the people you've met who've played them were bad?

[sullen hedge]

oh btw the owlfolk i made and mentioned earlier was specifically to avoid using my current one which is a warforged

[violet basin]

I have met ONE bard in all my years of DnD (and its been a while, ) that wasn't a complete lunatic that thought charisma was just a path into peoples pants, or monsters nests or whatever.

And I've seen to many Warlocks doing the same

[karmic mason]

Sick.

[keen valve]

Exactly. Bad players not clas.

[narrow moss]

well i won't play like that. that just dumb

[violet basin]

bad class (mechanics)

[keen valve]

Hard disagree. You're letting personal bias affect your opinion.

[lean wigeon]

bard was historically a mix of fighter, thief, and druid, but nowadays they're under the "rogue" group of classes, so a bard would just be a thief prestige class

[violet basin]

you dont see fighters running around en mass trying to seduce things... i wonder why

[narrow moss]

if he has to force you to have a good time... it isn't a good time.

[karmic mason]

I'd make one just to be a rogue multiclass
Bard to entice people in for games and tricks

And rogue to steal the money.

[woven flint]

My frist bard was a Changeling in a homebrew setting Changelings were classified as Monstroisities/Aberrations of sorts and He used his acting skills and ability to transform to keep the truth of what he was while trying to find out the mystery of a strange town that was very silent hill-esque lmao

[violet basin]

You mean I'm letting the statsitical evidence influence my opinion?

[keen valve]

Poor reasoning.

[keen valve]

It's not though. It's just bad experiences.

[violet basin]

20 years.

[sullen hedge]

they tend to be bland as white bread human champion fighters that rp as well as an upside down desk fan

[cinder timber]

upside down desk fan?

[violet basin]

if my mother was a bycle she'd have wheels?"

[karmic mason]

If she's a changeling bard and she (I am not allowed to say this in this server), then I'm telling the DM.

[narrow moss]

do it anyway before it happens

[violet basin]

i think a lot of the bard (charisma) problem also comes from bad DMs

[sullen hedge]

i make dumb analogies to prove a point sometimes
like if someone's being dumb i'll call them something like a potato or anything else like that

[narrow moss]

let them know 'this might happen i am very uncomf'

[violet basin]

"why did this extra boulder appear in my backpack?"

[keen valve]

Players and DMs can both be the problem and often are. Miscommunication or lack thereof is the poison of dnd.

[karmic mason]

The only time seduction rolls are allowed is if you seduce non-living objects.

Just start making out with a tree I dunno

[cinder timber]

I have a homie who would actually do this

[sullen hedge]

the bard that played thunderstruck did end up seducing a lock once

[narrow moss]

reminds me of Superstar.

[karmic mason]

He's a real one.

[violet basin]

its DMs that think Charisma is just "oh, they rolled a nat 20, they seduce the Queen and the king watches happily," as opposed to "oh, they rolled a nat 20, well, the queen is flattered, and the king is turning beet red and motioning to his guards."

[karmic mason]

...explain.
How did that happen

[violet basin]

and bard players that think that they can get away with stuff like that....

[lean wigeon]

nat 20's dont apply to skill checks btw

[narrow moss]

nope

[karmic mason]

If a guy rolls a 20 in seduction on a dragon, the dragon instantly picks the bard up and places him in the hoard

[sullen hedge]

he just seduced the lock
meanwhile i was kicking the same door and lockpicking it cause i was a rogue at the time

[violet basin]

TWENTY YEARS OF DMs....
some of them just dont know

[narrow moss]

nope

[cinder timber]

He is

[cinder timber]

pfft. . . I totally knew that 😅

[narrow moss]

lol

[violet basin]

see, this is my favorite thing, they get to seduce the dragon, the dragon still eats everyone else, and they get to roll a new character sheet, because now they are permanently caged, in a gilded gold magic cage of imrpisonment, in the dragon's lair.

great!

[narrow moss]

it is a common misconception dw

[karmic mason]

Yeah

That or they instantly die.

[violet basin]

i think most DMs do crit success for skill checks, I can't recall any DM i've had that didnt
still some of them are it depends, types.

[sullen hedge]

it's gonna need like a lot more than a 20 to do something like what donkey did in shrek too

[narrow moss]

i am a fan of 'getting what you want but not the way you want it'

[sullen hedge]

monkey's paw type of thing

[cinder timber]

I usually like to have a gradient. Like a 20 may get me to be more specific about what you know. Feels more real to me, but I thought that was a rule.

[violet basin]

Monkey's Pawl*

[narrow moss]

the gilded cage is awesome.

[karmic mason]

Who's to say you seduced them romantically

You could have seduced them as a fresh meal, and you instantly get smoked alive by flames

[woven flint]

"You had to seduce a dragon to have a dragon child? I just drew a card from a deck. less work for me!"
-My silly harengon lad

[violet basin]

One of my current DM's introduced a Wing of three Wishes as a litterally Monkey's Paw .... no one has touched it...

[karmic mason]

"Hey nat 20!"

"Ooh...looks like the dragon views you as amazing. You get smoked alive by incinerating flames."

[narrow moss]

then you are not yet desperate enough to consider using it.

[violet basin]

I imagine babysitting fees, school tuition, and meals in general, are going to be EXPENSIVE.

[narrow moss]

...Beware the consequences.

[violet basin]

Oh, and by the way, speaking of cards (decks of)

Deck of Wonders is broken, extremely, broken.

[remote lynx]

20 and multiple modifiers

[woven flint]

She's a wyrmling right now, we're a 13th level party, she'll have a decent college tuition at the end of the campaign, trust me

[sullen hedge]

wait which rogue subclass is best for just sniping something with a heavy crossbow

[karmic mason]

I was gonna say "Have the BBEG killed" but then either he'd come back as an undead, he'd be killed by a bigger threat, or everyone dies

[narrow moss]

Donkeh had rizz tho

[violet basin]

that sounds tame for my DM, but on brand

[violet basin]

gloom stalker

[woven flint]

Hell, I don't even need to send her to school, my wizard has 30 Inteligence

[narrow moss]

and hey guarding a lone princess all that time? a girl gets lonely

[karmic mason]

Killed by bigger threat
A La Godzilla Vs Kong

[sullen hedge]

ain't that a ranger subclass

[violet basin]

semantics

[karmic mason]

Shrek would have ended if the dragon was a lesbian, and that's the least surprising part.

[violet basin]

<- the ranger - rogue multiclasser (and some fighter)

[narrow moss]

yep

[remote lynx]

wait i have a question, do homebrew systems where dnd and another system are combined exist? Asking for a friend.

[violet basin]

shrek would have ended if the donkey wasn't Eddie Murphy.

[cerulean monolith]

Lesbian dragons, ending fantasy adventurers since 1996

[remote lynx]

I might offer a spinoff for my friends with dnd, and another very interesting rpg.

[karmic mason]

Fiona would have had a surprisingly chill life.