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crude blaze
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Idk, I consider it official lore whether it’s contradictory or not. Don’t gotta like it or agree, but it is what it is

cinder cloud
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I mean it was printed, thus it is official, I don't think anyone is disputing that

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Whether it qualifies as formal lore is a matter for debate IMHO

grim siren
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Even contradictions happened back then too. I tend to side with the source that is repeated with deference to the recent. As things need to be able to be updated. If it is one off and never touched again and it contradicts the establishment, its harder.

crude blaze
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I mean idk what the qualifications for formal vs informal lore are, but I have a feeling it’s gonna be completely opinion-based anyways

grim siren
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Unless it is specifically called out as a retcon, like the Crystal Spheres and Phlogiston. of course.

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The way I handle contradictions in my table is understanding that most of these books are written from an in-world perspective and thus should never be taken as 100% irrefutable proof as something occurring on a total level.

With the devils thing, it makes sense, because how many times have we made a declaration about earth about how something works, only to find out that is not the whole story? A lot.

cinder cloud
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Yeah I'm just saying this does not have any of the hallmarks of "this is new lore that intentionally contradicts old lore", at least in my opinion

iron saffron
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Retcons happens a lot in D&D. Hell was also referred to as Baator (during the 80s Satanic Panic) was depicted as a spheric planet, with each of the nine layers deeper in the planet's core, in one book and never mentioned again. (Sorry I can't remember which book it's referenced in at the moment)

crude blaze
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I think 5E still refers to the Nine Hells as Baator and the devils as baatezu

grim siren
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A perfect example is the contradiction of Laerakond. The only mention of Returned Abeir, the continent introduced in 4e, being sent back to its original world, is in AL modules, those modules use it as a plot device to discuss a trade shortage but otherwise don't mention the continent at all.

The Tarmalune Trade House is still active in Neverwinter, Tarmalune being a great capital on Returned Abeir.

How do you not know the location on a full continent? Well.... most people in a Realms style world wouldn't know if continents shifted and abated at all.

crude blaze
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It’s either in the 2014 MM or the 2014 DMG, if not both

iron saffron
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Yes, TSR retconed the Satanic Panic changes in the late 80s after the stuff blew over. Demons were renamed to tanari'r but they were retconned to be one of three sub-species of demons. Devils were renamed to baatezu but then retconned to be what they were called on Baator, the alternative name to the Nine Hells.

grim siren
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Old man the book you are referring too is the 4e Manual of the Planes. There Baator is shown as a planet in the Astral Sea

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You can find the art on p. 98

iron saffron
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grim siren
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I am personally excited to see the Super Sundering this fall in the FR campaign guide. /s

jagged apex
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super sundering? never heard of such a thing

iron saffron
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It was a joke, hence the "/s" (that means sarcasm)

jagged apex
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ah, i did not know what that ment and assumed it was a typo

grim siren
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Yeah it was a joke about how they might introduce another super calamity with the rules update.

snow laurel
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This is a bit of a weird question but; how wealthy should an NPC be to be regularly engaging in extraplanar trade?

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Or "how integrated should the economy of Sigil be with the average D&D world"?

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Like, do you think your average fantasy king has enough wealth at his disposal that sending someone to buy something in the City of Brass or importing wine from another plane via Sigil is feasible, or do you need to be like a grand emperor or an ancient dragon

iron saffron
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Kings have access to court wizards who can cast Gate. The true answer is whatever the DM decides and not really a lore question

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Sigil imports everything it needs it as it has no natural resources. This includes food, water, and building materials.

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There are few known stable doors in Sigil and those are often used to for regular trade.

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The various 2E Planescape books go further detail better than the 5E Planescape book does.

cinder cloud
# snow laurel Like, do you think your average fantasy king has enough wealth at his disposal t...

A lot of the questions you are asking here are speculative in nature.
You can read about trade in Sigil here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Sigil#Trade
Or the City of Brass here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/City_of_Brass#Trade
The answer to the general question of "do either of these places trade with the worlds of the material plane or other planes" and the answer is yes, as OldMan pointed out. How much trade they do or how much wealth the average king has or what title one might need to possess in order to trade is not something we can readily answer.

iron saffron
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Doors in Sigil can be disabled at the whim of the Lady of Pain. She has done that in the past when factions were at war. This meant no more food, water, and other goods entering the city.

jagged apex
iron saffron
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(I've been doing a lot of research of Sigil recently because I'm working on an adventure that takes place in the city and the Outlands)

jagged apex
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iron saffron
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I found the 2E stuff better because they go more in detail. I've also used Planescape: Torment as a resource.

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5E Planescape is still too thin IMO.

jagged apex
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yeah is what i mean, by filling in the gaps if you wanna do it in 5e, as while it is further in the timeline and there are changes some things still ring true

iron saffron
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Eh, not much has changed except for the factions.

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I'm more interested in the landmarks and NPCs

jagged apex
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from what i recall some of those did change too, could be wrong though

feral lintel
iron saffron
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Yessir

feral lintel
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also, if you have any notes, i would be interested

iron saffron
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I'm creating the adventure as a connecting chapter. The PCs will take a detour from one layer of the Abyss to another.

untold falcon
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Guys, where would a brass dragonborn hail from?

feral lintel
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what setting

untold falcon
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Faerun

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If that's what you mean

feral lintel
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lots of areas where dragonborn can be found

untold falcon
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Would a dragonborn be a rare sight in the Sword Coast?

feral lintel
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not really

clever path
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all the phb races are 'standard' its just that humans are the most common

untold falcon
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Makes sense, thanks

deft trout
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During 4e, whatever the order of bahamut was had a bunch of dragonborn over in neverwinter

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If im remembering the book right

keen topaz
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what's another race that's associated with smithing that isnt the dwarfs or giants?

feral lintel
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humans

silent atlas
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Has there been instances were a chromatic dragon was good aligned cause it was raised by metalic dragons

keen topaz
silent atlas
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Elves dabbled in smithing I believe

feral lintel
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Dunno, what setting

keen topaz
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oh, more like, in general, to be honest, I have one more language to learn so I wanted to learn a bit more about what races are into smithing

deft trout
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its still a focus for them

fallow leaf
# untold falcon Faerun

Tymanther is a dragonborn ruled militaristic country kinda out southwest of the sword coast

stable yacht
fallow leaf
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yup mb i meant southeast

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but it isn't particularly south of the coast

stable yacht
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thought I was losing it lol

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A Forgotten Realms question for you all (or if this dips into other lore, that's great, too.)

I will be playing a character who will be a part of the Church of Jergal and I came across this ritual they have called The Sealing. The part I need help figuring out is

  • What are some afterlife destination options?
  • how does one determine where someone goes in their afterlife?
iron saffron
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Jergal is no longer a god (he demoted himself down to a demi-power after retiring as the god of death). The god of death is Kelemvor.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Kelemvor

All mortal souls go to The Fugue Plane, where they wait for proxies of their gods to pick them up to bring them to the afterlife (aka the Outer Planes). Devils and demons will try steal the petitioners (aka mortal souls), the former would make offers to the souls to go to Hell while demons would outright try to steal them. Kelemvor tolerate the former and punishes the latter.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Fugue_Plane

stable yacht
iron saffron
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He's not really an active god. Dude just wants to retire on a beach in Mexico.

stable yacht
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okay?

iron saffron
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You played BG3 I assume.

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He's a demi-god not a dead god so he still has a handful of worshippers.

stable yacht
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so help m connect the dots here.

The Church Of Jergal still exists, yes?

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OR at least can exist?

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(since lore is multiversal and can be whatever)

iron saffron
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Yes, he still has worshippers but he's no longer the god of death.

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As a demi-power his influence more on a level of cult.

stable yacht
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right. And I never said he was the god of death. My question was about the ritual and how to know where souls go in the afterlife. Nothing about that said that Jergal was the God of death

iron saffron
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I already explained it to you above.

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I explained that he was once the god of death but retired.

stable yacht
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lol

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I never asked about him being the god of death so all of that is irrelevant to my question

iron saffron
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DUDE

stable yacht
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HEY!

iron saffron
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I'm giving you back information since it involves souls to the afterlife.

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I can walk away as it seems like you don't appreciate the help.

stable yacht
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No I appreciate the help. I just wasn't sure why you kept saying he's not the god of death since that's not connected to my question, which is how to determine where a soul goes

iron saffron
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...

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Anyway, check the links I posted above.

stable yacht
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I appreciate the answer about the Fugue Plane, but you were confusing me about how you kept stating Jergal is not the god of death

stable yacht
deft trout
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A Forgotten Realms question for you all (or if this dips into other lore, that's great, too.)

I will be playing a character who will be a part of the Church of Jergal and I came across this ritual they have called The Sealing. The part I need help figuring out is

What are some afterlife destination options?
how does one determine where someone goes in their afterlife?
AFAIK, all souls start off by going to Kelemvor's domain to be judged (which might be by Jergal). Once judged, they're sent to the appropriate plane based on alignment/life choices and usually of the god they worshipped.

So, your afterlife options are basically going to be "hades" since that's where your god chills.

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If you were atheist, you used to be chucked into the Wall of the Faithless, but I heard third hand that kelemvor got rid of it or something? Don't quote me on that part.

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You also had the option of making a deal with a devil while waiting to be judged and get sent to the Hells

iron saffron
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The Wall of Faithless no longer exists.

stable yacht
# deft trout > A Forgotten Realms question for you all (or if this dips into other lore, that...

Thank you. @iron saffron shared that they go to the Fugue Plane after they pass, which is supported by the wiki they shared.

I think for my purpose, I'm going to explain that it's more about the act of writing down the afterlife destination in the book of records that solidifies it, rather than it's actually making a determination for it. It seems like that's probably what is meant by it.

Thank you both, truly. And I am grateful, @iron saffron - sorry for that little tiff. You've always been good with giving answers.

deft trout
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okay, it no longer is a thing. i never saw a source with that myself, so i just go off what others say about it

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Cheers and good luck, Crit Hit

stable yacht
# deft trout Cheers and good luck, Crit Hit

Thank you.

I think it'll be fun to play this character. I got this idea when I was thinking about how after combat we never bother to bury bodies of the people we kill and made me think about that a little bit, so coming up with this character lets me roleplay that out a little bit, and this was honestly the perfect sort of ritual to go with that.

storm dagger
clever path
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It's like Hades vs Thanatos

storm dagger
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Bhaal was originally the God of Death, but didn’t keep it due to narrowing his focus just on the acts of taking lives.

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As a result he didn’t get as powerful or popular as his companions Bane and Myrkul.

iron saffron
storm dagger
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Yeah Kelemvor originally inherited Death as well, but currently Myrkul has taken the portfolio of Death from him as of 5e.

little wind
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What are the different ethnic groups of humans on the world of Toril?

iron saffron
grim siren
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There are many. The most common ones on the sword coast are Chondathan, Illuskan, and Tethyrian.

storm dagger
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I know I am much better at remembering Greyhawk ethnicities than FR ones

keen topaz
obsidian needle
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Trying to research canon lore about fairies and the feywild. So the courts seelie and unseelie. The first has a queen named Titania (I get it it’s reference to a midnight summers dream) but the unseelie Queen, her name? Is she just called Queen of air and darkness? I was expecting another reference to Shakespeare or some other mythology. Does she have any name(s)?

jade canyon
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Is there a difference in creation process for different hags? Because they are distinct, but WHY are they disticts? I get night hags, and annis, but what makes green hag and dusk hag look and be so different, is it just caused by who made them?

wet roost
obsidian needle
wet roost
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It would stand to reason that they spawn children of their own type.

hazy fox
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So I was making a deep dive and found two of many attempts at Kara-Tur lore in 3E and 4E.
Nathlan and Xiousing District in Marsember respectively.
I was wondering if they would have been good idea for "Forgotten Realms entry suggestions" in Radiant Citadel's Chinese kingdom for former and "Inner Alchemy" module from Candlekeep for latter instead of Baldur's Gate. This is discounting obscurity (Nathlan being from 4E campaign book meager entry and Xiousing from Dragon magazines) and maybe carrying 1E lore's questionable baggage that leaked into 3E and 4E (kinda skimmed abit and probably it might have issues like Fantasy Asians being shown as xenophobic and most adventure hooks being bad actors in contrast to Fantasy European being shown as open-minded and used main focus as cultural contrast).

grim siren
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I would be surprised if Nathlan survived to the new books though I don't think it's referenced again after the 4e guide. And while there is a general assumption that 4e locales were reversed we know that is not the case with Elfharrow north of halruaa surviving into 5e

deft trout
deft trout
# keen topaz elves dwelved into smithing too, didnt they? Or am i tripping?

elves have quite a few smiths, yes - they have to make elven chain mail and moonblades somehow. Its just that gnomes, dwarves, fire giants and kobolds all particularly have crafting in their blood (literally - they all have species traits and gods that encourage crafting), whereas elves and most other species don't.

obsidian needle
deft trout
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Welcome

night girder
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Why is the ability to change sex (through the use of the blessing of correlon) considered a curse that could destabilize society by the drows?

unkempt merlin
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It's because Lolth hates Corellon

crude blaze
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The udadrow of the Forgotten Realms worship Lolth, who is a foil to Corellon in every sense. Where Corellon is an embodiment of fluidity, Lolth embodies rigidity.

feral lintel
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also, Lolth values women more

crude blaze
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So where Corellon embraces fluidity in gender and an eschewing of gender roles, Lolth doubles down on them.

deft trout
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For a chaotic evil being, Lolth is surprisingly ... not chaotic

feral lintel
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Eh, she seems chaotic enough from the Drizzt novels

crude blaze
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She is Chaotic, even if she demands order from her followers/subordinates

feral lintel
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"order"

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its more organized chaos

deft trout
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I mean, its about as ordered as the Hells are.

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Just a lot of backstabbing

crude blaze
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She thinks she can do what she wants, but demands her followers to obey. That doesn’t make her any less chaotic.

feral lintel
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that makes her more chaotic imo

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shes also extremely fickle

cinder cloud
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Alignment is a general descriptor for her morality, not a prescription for the rites, rules and practices of her clergy/followers. She doesn't care what others might have to say about her, and she literally toys with people for fun.

feral lintel
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Lolth was a goddess of cold cruelty not out of place in the darkest depths of the endless Abyss,[20] reveling in betrayal and bloodshed[36] and toying with everyone from her minions to her victims.[20] She not only enjoyed, but thrived upon torture, destruction, and death, whether personally performing it or causing it. Every interaction was ultimately done with malice,[13][24] ill will seething from her every move, and even those who knew her well could be surprised by just how deep her viciousness went.

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Despite her demands for loyalty, those who blindly obeyed Lolth's demands would find themselves quickly led to their deaths. In truth, Lolth's capricious nature meant that there were few hard-and-fast rules, and much uncertainty as to her desires. The successful had to pay attention to her ever-changing wants,[39] for her favor was fickle,[36] and those who she played favorites with (a frequent occurrence) would inevitably find her turning on them without warning.[39] The Spider Queen was technically capable of displays of kindness and aiding those she fancied,[24][37][39] and would always give one chance for the disfavored to redeem themselves, but this usually meant a dangerous mission and in others might just mean silently watching their next move.[39] She could never be relied on and her ultimate motivation was almost always manipulative.

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This latter paragraph just goes to show how utterly fickle and chaotic she is lol

jagged apex
# obsidian needle Trying to research canon lore about fairies and the feywild. So the courts seeli...

fairies in dnd are fairly new, they were introduced in 5e, prior editions the closest thing you had were pixies and sprites which are separate creatures, as for the queen of air and darkness, unless i am mistaken, we don't know her name but we do know she use to be the sister of Titania, who became corrupted by the black diamond she is now associated with, as for the courts https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Seelie_Court https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Unseelie_Court

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if by fairies you ment the inhabitants of the feywild, the proper term for such beings in dnd is fae

night girder
feral lintel
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Tome of Foes goes over it

hazy fox
iron saffron
grim siren
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True but shou as in the ethnic group not the government all we know is Shou Lung devastated by the spellplague and the great dragon wall is in ruins. There are many shou refugees in Faerûn now. I doubt it's inclusion because we should be able to see it in the SCAG map or at least the waste of Xian. But it's not there. And no map produced since 5e of Faerûn like lore and legends, don't have it featured.

grim siren
# night girder Is there anything in 5e where it talks about this or is it just the forgotten re...

The term Udadrow was introduced in the most recent Salvatore novels the Way of the Drow. The lore distinction between Udadrow, Lorendrown and Aevendrow mostly comes from a WOTC article on their website. It has been nuked when the website shut down, but there should be a web archive snapshot on the pages relates to those names. The Aevendrow we're featured pretty heavily in the novels, the other group. Lorendrow have not been featured as of yet in any other publication.

jagged apex
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far as i know the other kinds of drow are very small in regards to the info we have on them, least last i checked, like we have what was detailed in the announcment on the site and that is it

grim siren
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jagged apex
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isn't that kind of fittingly in line with the idea? these groups of different drow hid away from lolth, avoiding her corruption and influence, living in secret all this time and only recently being discovered

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like at least what info we do have is "on brand" so to speak

obsidian needle
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So in making a fairy character I have a few questions to help round out the backstory, if not just for curiosity.
I’m prepared to just make up what might not be detailed but wanted to see if there was anything canon to these first.

  1. how are fairies “born”?
  2. is there any information to answer like “my character is from xyz” in the feywild? Like I could say my Human cleric was born in faerun but could specify they’re born in Neverwinter.
    What about the Feywilds?
  3. source book says Fairies live about a century but time seems to work differently in the Feywilds. Do lifespans do the same?
lapis slate
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Whats with Oerth?

grim siren
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What about Oerth?

lapis slate
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Like everything

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Ive just seen it in 5e now and I know literally nothing

grim siren
cinder cloud
grim siren
# lapis slate Ive just seen it in 5e now and I know literally nothing

It is the world of the greyhawk setting. When people think of stereotypical medieval fantasy when it comes to d&d, Well, many people assume that they are thinking about the Forgotten Realms. In reality, the Realms is not a medieval fantasy setting, Greyhawk is.

Lore is centered on the continent of Oerik. And the region we know as the flanaess which is the Eastern Part of Oerik. Birthplace to Mordenkainen, Tasha, Bigby Dwarmij, Otiulike, Melf, and more. This is Gary Gyagx's setting. One of the first ones that existed for D&D

sharp owl
# lapis slate Whats with Oerth?

Oerth is the name of the world at the heart of the Greyhawk setting, which was one of the first settings for D&D. Oerth is to Greyhawk what Toril is to Forgotten Realms, Krynn is to Dragonlance, or Athas is it to Dark Sun

lapis slate
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OH ITS GREYHAWK!!! Ty Guys!

sharp owl
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👍

lapis slate
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I saw a lotta water I shoulda guessed lol

grim siren
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Not a problemo. It's a great setting! Love the lore in the new DMG.

lapis slate
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Need to pick up the new DMG, gotta get the PHB and Book of many things first mind

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Eve of ruin arrived today and Infinite Staircase is coming soon 🎉

unkempt merlin
idle yarrow
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What are the interactions between the gods of War: Tempus, Tyr and Bane? Does the fact that each one sits on the extreme end of the spectrum of alignment and morality tend to cause disagreements among their followers?

jagged apex
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well bane, being a demigod in regards to his status as a god, he is weaker and would be under tempus or tyr were they to serve together in any capacity

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tempus and tyr how ever not sure off the top of my head as they i believe are the same level of god but tempus is the actual war god of the realms, with if anything tyr simply having the war domain which technically has a bit of nuance to it https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/War_domain

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like Bane is a god of tyranny, so he would be of the conquest side of that domain where as tempus is more about the battle and honor of said battles, but also just flat out war itself

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tyr is the god of justice so he likely relates to the chilvary and honor aspects of it

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like they all can grant their clerics powers of the war domain but that is basically the only real similarity between them and does not even mean they have any sort of interactions with one another

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in short, all gods with the war domain are not necessarily gods of war, at least in dnd

idle yarrow
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Huh, that makes the concept of my characters a lot easier. So I can distribute them across the moral spectrum based on the principles and foundations that they seek to achieve in the context of conflicts and wars.

iron saffron
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Domain isn't the same as portfolio.

jagged apex
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domain is basically a power or skill set of powers they can grant to their followers

idle yarrow
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Thanks for the information, it made understanding these aspects a lot easier.

iron saffron
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Tempus is the god of war — his portfolio is war and his domain is war.
Tyr is the god of justice — his portfolio is justice and his domains are order and war.
Torm is the god of duty and loyalty — his portfolio is courage, duty, and loyalty and his domain is war.

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5E has a limited number of domains compared to 3.5E.

jagged apex
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and Bane is the god of tyrannical oppression, terror, and hate - his portfolio is Ambition, control, tyranny and his domains are order and war

jagged apex
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which makes the domains comparable to a set of powers and skills they can grant rather fitting as to my knowledge in 5e each domain can represent at least 2 or more of the domains that were seperate in prior editions

eager bay
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I wonder, could a Warforged also be a Tiefling or Aasimar?

jagged apex
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no, at least not to my knowledge, at least in published materials

iron saffron
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No because they're two different things. Warforged are created by creation forges, not through biological conception. Warforges have no sex and can't reproduce. They are essentially constructs (Humanoid for player characters).

eager bay
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Shucks, was reading through the 2024 PHB and I thought it was mentioned that one could become an Aasimar or Tiefling through influence of a Celestial/Fiend

jagged apex
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though far as i know they can be influenced by planar energies much like a tiefling or aasimar is, but that is the closest to such a thing

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keep in mind, this is regarding published lore, what you and or your dm do in your own games is fair game

iron saffron
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And we only talk about published lore in this channel.

eager bay
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Makes sense yeah, I'm still trying to get more familiar with that

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I'd read more into my Eberron book but I got it secondhand and the previous owner was a heavy smoker I guess bc the stench of cigarettes has infused the pages and it makes me gag when I open it

jagged apex
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eberron is a self-contained cosmology that in the published continuity is sort of still connected but not directly to the wider multiverse, being basically hidden away in the deep ethereal

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so a lot of the eberron stuff is specific to that setting and not nessissarily ment to just slot into any other setting

eager bay
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Yeah, it's way more complex that I originally thought

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I do like the setting a lot, but to learn how it works is gonna be a headache bc the book I have I can barely last for like 2 mins before the nausea gets too bad

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My copy must be cursed

jagged apex
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well you may wanna consider getting a digital copy then

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else there are lore youtubers and keith baker, the setting's original creator, and his blog where he answers many questions about the setting based of his continuity, the only major thing i know he and wizards kind of disagree on is the ability and ease of traveling to and from the setting, could be more but if there is idk

eager bay
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Does Eberron connect to Sigil and the Outlands at all? Or is that wholly disconnected from the rest of Eberron's cosmology?

iron saffron
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It has its own self contained cosmology within the Deep Ethereal.

Sigil has portals to/from all of the Multiverse. It's up to the individual DM to allow portals to Eberron.

unkempt merlin
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In official cosmology yes, there are connections to Eberron with the rest of the multiverse, it's just significantly harder to access than other places

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The world serpent Inn and sigil are two ways that have connected with it

eager bay
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I'm unfamiliar with the World Serpent Inn, where is that located?

iron saffron
ashen forge
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Do gods that have not been mentioned for a couple editions but haven't actually been retconned or killed out still exist?

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(If this is the place for this)

ionic rivet
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Unless it’s written somewhere official that they’ve been killed/destroyed, they still exist.

ashen forge
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Cool. Ty!

iron saffron
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Even then gods have a tendency to be revivied after being killed off (see the Dead Three).

calm crest
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Really the only major retconning of deities en masse happened before and after 4e.

iron saffron
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Yeah, 4E was a mess because WotC wanted to reduce the number of gods in the FR setting and that upset a lot of players.

stable knot
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Hey fellow nerds, I need some suggestions. One of my players' patron is the Queen of Air and Darkness (https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Queen_of_Air_and_Darkness) but I was wondering if she could be a minor deity instead of just an archfey? Which deity could she be from Forgotten Realms? Maybe an aspect of a deity? What would you come up with?

unkempt merlin
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being an archfey and being a deity are not mutually exclusive

stable knot
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Yeah I agree

unkempt merlin
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To my knowledge she is still a deity and archfey, much like Titania

stable knot
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She's just not in any of the pantheons?

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She's the Raven Queen I guess?

unkempt merlin
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"pantheons" are a bit nebulous

iron saffron
unkempt merlin
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since they vary depending on setting and even within a setting a god can be a part of many or no pantheons

unkempt merlin
stable knot
iron saffron
unkempt merlin
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You are free to do whatever you want in your own games, but in official lore she is her own thing

iron saffron
stable knot
iron saffron
stable knot
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On it

cinder cloud
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You can just skip down to the references on the wiki

stable knot
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thanks for the help! 🙂

cinder cloud
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There is comparably little lore on the courts of the feywild and its archfey, so take what you will and make it your own.

stable knot
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I made her look like a recolored Lilith from Diablo 4

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I feel like it's close enough to "female faerie of terrible, cold beauty with bone-white skin angular features, eyes with a black cornea and an inner blood-red lens." Only missing is the black hair lol https://i.imgur.com/VM9yE8K.png

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eager bay
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Let's see, Kelemvor, Jergal, Raven Queen, Vecna, Acerak(not a god but apparently he could become one), Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul, Velsharoon, Orcus. Lot of death gods in DnD. Did I miss any?

feral lintel
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depends on the setting

eager bay
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Isn't DnD a multiverse

feral lintel
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Yes. And each setting has their own slew of gods

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some just pop up more than others

eager bay
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I know Vecna and Raven Queen are more Greyhawk yes? The others are more FR?

feral lintel
eager bay
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Hmmm...the Orcish Gods never really get much look in do they aside from Gruumsh

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Yurtrus seems cool to be a cleric for.

magic jackal
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but he could

misty scaffold
eager bay
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Is he known in Faerun?

misty scaffold
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I could have sworn I read something recently that confirmed that I’ll try to find the source

eager bay
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I feel like Myrkul or Velsharoon wouldn't like this guy intruding too much.

misty scaffold
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So I haven’t found the exact piece that corresponds 1:1 to my claim but the first thing I found is from Descent into Avernus, an adventure which begins in the Forgotten Realms. Minor spoiler ||One of the NPCs in the adventure wants to use the Hand of Vecna to free Tiamat||

jagged apex
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but yeah vecna is last i checked known to have cults on toril, which obviously means he is known of, and the 5e adventure he is the central antagonist for is set in waterdeep, so that confirms it even if you ignore anything older

misty scaffold
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Vecna’s hand and eye were scattered throughout the multiverse and I believe he can appear on any world seeking to reclaim them.

I’m going through all my books trying to find the one with the direct source, I swear I’m not making this up!

misty scaffold
jagged apex
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and is the god of evil secrets, and both myrkul and velsharoon last i checked are evil

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plus far as i know, velsharoon is still dead, last appearing in published materials during 4e where he is listed as a dead power and i have heard nothing of him since to imply he has returned in any capacity https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Velsharoon

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plus when he was around in 3e his portfolio as a demigod was "Liches, Necromancy, Necromancers, and Undeath" and back then vecna's was "destructive and evil secrets" rather than just evil secrets, so he would not have any direct reason to be concerned with vecna far as i can tell

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if anything myrkul and velsharoon seem more likely to be at odds with each other rather than worrying about or going against vecna

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especially myrkul, cuz as one of the dead 3, he does not exactly have the best record regarding his plans among of the deities in realmspace, especially those who use to be mortals, so i suspect vecna would be too good at being hidden for myrkul to even notice until it was too late for him to do anything about it

eager bay
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But still Velsharoon is dead for the moment. But who knows he may come back one day.

tropic osprey
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Any Forgotten Realm enthusiast that I can ask some lore about that time when Mystra got "off" and all wizards' life work got thrown out of the window?

I just want to ask if there was any instance that they were able to filter the corrupted arcane or hints that there's a way to cast spells like how they did when The Weave was still whole and without relying on the alternative mess that was caused by her death.

stable yacht
tropic osprey
stable yacht
tropic osprey
copper dove
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Yo I'm making a goliath barbarian/ drakewarden any suggestions on a backstory.

iron saffron
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This channel is to discussion official published lore.

copper dove
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I just need lore for goliaths for why he left at 12

iron saffron
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We don't know the setting you're playing. This is something you should talk with your DM about.

copper dove
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Ok thanks anyway.

copper dove
iron saffron
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Forgotten Realms then.

copper dove
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Yeah

iron saffron
copper dove
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Thanks

cinder cloud
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But details about your specific character are out of scope as OldMan pointed out.

obsidian chasm
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Sorry everyone, character creation doesn't belong in this section.

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Unless it's based off a character from the lore of DND. storm wreck isle is not lore. It's the beginners set.

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What gods of DND does anyone here favor to use in their stories?

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And, why?

feral lintel
iron saffron
obsidian chasm
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Sure, if its beyond the time of storm wreck, but character creation belongs elsewhere. Nonetheless.

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We have a section dedicated to it.

iron saffron
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We had already remarked about that.

obsidian chasm
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The gods? Or character creation?

iron saffron
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Character creation.

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The OP already moved on.

obsidian chasm
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Ah, yes I see. I'm just heavy into lore, and would like to hear and share lore. That's all.

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Well, what gods or entities are some of Your favorites to add to Your stories, and why?

iron saffron
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That's not really for this channel.

feral lintel
obsidian chasm
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Gods are lore.

iron saffron
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This channel isn't really about opinions or our personal campaign setting used.

obsidian chasm
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Sure.

feral lintel
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Asking what you use in your camapigns isnt something this channel is for

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Discuss WotC-published game settings, and the events and characters that shaped them. Wherever possible, please indicate which setting you're discussing: [Forgotten Realms]/[FR], [Eberron], [Dragonlance], etc.

obsidian chasm
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I've ran over 100, so it's not really my "persona campaign"... It applies to many campaigns.

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Personal*

feral lintel
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Again

obsidian chasm
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God are lore. Period.

feral lintel
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Right, but this channel is for discussing official printed lore, not what you use

iron saffron
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Sure, if you ask about specific gods we can discusss them.

obsidian chasm
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You can debate all You want. But thousands of years of human religion would disagree

feral lintel
iron saffron
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What does that have to do with this channel?

obsidian chasm
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Not talking about printed lore. I'm asking opinions.

feral lintel
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Thats not what this channel is for

iron saffron
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Opinions aren't for this channel.

obsidian chasm
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On gods and entities in general, applicable to stories.

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Yes they are.

feral lintel
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If you want opinions and what you use, thats #dm-world-building .

This channel is for discussing official printed lore

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read the channel description

covert island
iron saffron
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If you want to ask about specific deities then we can answer them for you to the best of our abilities.

If you ask about which deities we use in our campaign then #dnd-discussion or #dm-world-building are better suited.

calm crest
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For the Forgotten Realms, have any notable events occurred in the Vaasa/Bloodstone Pass region in the 130-odd years between the 1e modules and the present day of 5e? I didn’t see much on the wiki, so there might not be.

grim siren
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Yes. Castle Perilous returned and was occupied by Jarlaxle Baenre and Artemis Entreri.

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Vaasa was taken over by the Warlock Knights who worship Telos the iron fell primordial.

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The Knights Seized The Bloodstone Valley and burned bloodstone city to the ground. The capital of Damara shifted to Heliogabalus renamed Helgabl.

iron saffron
grim siren
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And the Dragonbane line was ended and the Frostmantles are ruling currently.

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It is also the Setting for the Drizzt Novel, Hero.

calm crest
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Keen, thanks!

jagged apex
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apparently it was also one of the lands hit hardest by Sammaster's use of the Dracorage mythal. which is mentioned in 3e's dragons of faerun

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in fact, at least with what i am seeing cited on the wiki, it was pretty involved in the events of sammaster and his use of the dracorage mythal, so there is at least that major event it is tied to/involved in

calm crest
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Interesting. A not-insignificant dragon population was indicated in the Bloodstone modules, so I suppose that makes sense.

lone cipher
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Hi 👋 does anyone know where I can find a list of all the major canon thieves guilds and a description of each?

iron saffron
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Which setting?

lone cipher
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Faerun

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Specifically waterdeep

iron saffron
lone cipher
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Amazing thank you!!

jagged apex
# lone cipher Faerun

free friendly fun tid bit, faerun is simply 1 continent on the world of toril in the forgotten reams setting

reef cape
# lone cipher Specifically waterdeep

If it's specifically Waterdeep, the biggest crime syndicate is Xanathar's. It's difficult for other crime groups to move in on their territory considering how well implanted they are

jagged apex
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though obviously by design, Xanathar and it's guild operate in secret

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at least last i checked

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though friendly tip, don't mess the Xanathar's goldfish, unless you intentionally wanna cause some chaos XD

lone cipher
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Are any of the guilds kind of like a Robin Hood-esque guild?

jagged apex
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idk, there is one listed among the notable ones that is of waterdeep, the thieves guild of waterdeep, but has no page and no citation

iron saffron
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There's enough blanks in the FR lore for you/DM to create your own (but this beyond the scope of this channel).

jagged apex
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also far as i know most of the king arthur esc fantasy, if i am not mistaken in believing the likes of robin hood is in that category, in faerun tends to centered around Cormyr

cinder cloud
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If none of those fit your needs, the lore leaves plenty of room for you to add your own.

lone cipher
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Thank you all this has been very helpful 🧡

reef cape
lone cipher
reef cape
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It's not an economical institution, no.

crude blaze
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The Harpers are a faction, but not quite a guild

reef cape
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It's a complex, semi-secret network of people who have a common ideology. They've existed, in one form or another, since Myth Drannor as a conspiracy between elven military officers, druids and rangers. Elminster was part of the early days.

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A guild is... Well, a guild is an economical institution. It's people of a given profession banding together to create a monopoly

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That's not what they are. They've got rogues, mages, bards, druids, soldiers, spies, informants from any social group...

jagged apex
reef cape
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Basically, they're all about preserving people's freedom and tend to disregard the laws for that purpose

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So yeah, they're more of a spy network and conspiracy rolled into one. Think Robin Hood + pop culture Illuminati.

jagged apex
reef cape
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Generally not outlaws. It's worth noting that the current open lord of Waterdeep is one of them.

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Well, technically, she's part of a relatively dissident faction.

jagged apex
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though far as i am aware they are likely to steal, except maybe powerful artifacts or items that are at risk of being in the wrong hands, their main emo is all about maintaining balance which often also means making sure most evil plots don't succeed cuz most they get involved against are usually pretty big and risk a sort of doomsday esc senario

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though is established not all harpers agree on how their efforts of eliminating tyranny and fostering "goodness" in the Realms should best be done

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so one who takes a robin hood esc approach could make some degree of sense arguably

reef cape
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There have been schisms in the organization, yes. The big one was when the late Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun, lord mage of Waterdeep, was implicated in the theft of a major item and his fellow harpers wanted him prosecuted for it.

jagged apex
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though i could see that creating imbalance more often than not if you are just robbing from the wealthy regardless of other factors and giving to the poor again regardless of other factors

reef cape
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Worth noting that Khelben was the husband to the previously mentioned current open lord of Waterdeep.

iron saffron
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At the top of each channel is description of what it's for:

Discuss WotC-published game settings, and the events and characters that shaped them. Wherever possible, please indicate which setting you're discussing: [Forgotten Realms]/[FR], [Eberron], [Dragonlance], etc.

pearl karma
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It seems like Abishai are very similar to draconians. Were they the precursor? They also worship Tiamat/Takhisis

feral lintel
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Abishai are draconic devil beings made from the influence of Asmodeus and Tiamat, very different things

iron saffron
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Abishai devils created to serve Tiamat.
There's no relationship just because both are draconic humanoids.

untold falcon
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What are some exotic foods and ingredients that one would seek out in the Jungle of Chult?

jagged apex
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granted some might not be exotic but they are least available in chult

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though is safe to say that stuff like Chultan Fireswill is something unique to chult

untold falcon
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That will do, thanks!

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Oh, I have had many a Chultan fireswill in BG3

eager bay
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Where is the best place to find information about Ruathym other than the FR wiki?

sharp owl
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Use the references in the FR wiki

eager bay
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One of my players has their character from there, and their backstory reason for leaving is there's a "blight" of some kind affecting it, so I was hoping to find some stuff that could work well from a historical standpoint

sharp owl
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Those will point you to original sources that may have more detail. Alternatively you'll at the very least know the edition and/or types of books published that contain the info you're looking for

eager bay
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Okay, sweet, tyvm

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I'm still pretty new as a dm so actually researching stuff to be good at it is a challenge I'm trying to rise up to

snow laurel
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I know the Lady of Pain bans "powers" from Sigil, inclusive of gods, arch-fiends and powerful celestials. Do archomentals and primordials count as "powers", or is the ban mostly about outer-planar beings?

iron saffron
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They're on the same level as archfiends so they would be banned from Sigil as well.

jagged apex
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i always thought it was just applied to gods, learned something new i guess, neat

iron saffron
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"Powers" covers a lot of things from deities to archfiends to achromentals. Remember that the elementals fought against the gods in the Dawn War.

feral lintel
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under Tharizdun, ye?

jagged apex
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no, i believe tharzidun and his war with chaos for control of the abyss was seperate and predated the dawn war, could be wrong, but if i am not mistaken that is the case

eager bay
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What Gods of the Forgotten Realms typically watch over healers and/or outcasts? Bonus points if they themselves were exiled at some point 🙏

iron saffron
calm crest
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Given the Avatar Crisis, nearly FR deity except Ao and Helm has technically been exiled for a time.

jagged apex
jagged apex
iron saffron
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Those are gods with the healing domains and not portfolio of healing though.

modest badger
jagged apex
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yeah but otherwise you have to look at each individual deity, cuz to my knowledge it does not sort or categorize portfolios on the wiki so is much harder thing to use to narrow down gods

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but yeah, i agree with elgate, when it comes to gods of healing and healers, i'd say especially in faerun specifically, ilmater is a good candidate

unkempt merlin
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There are a number of gods with whom healing is portion of their portfolio. Albeit not the focus

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Ilmater is a good option

eager bay
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Sweet, tyvm all 🫂

unkempt merlin
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A number of life/renewal/agriculture gods also have healing as portions of their portfolios

jagged apex
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given the nature of his portfolio and his worshipers, i could see some outcasts depending on their situation praying to Ilmater

unkempt merlin
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Lathander has healing in his as part of his whole rebirth/renewal aspects

eager bay
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Ilmater would probably work well for like a Mercy Monk, yeah?

cinder cloud
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Yes.

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There's a bit of overlap here between objective and subjective, between which gods cover what and what god would be a good fit for a character. A mercy monk could worship any number of gods, after all. We can help with the former but the latter is up to you to decide.

jagged apex
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honestly given the flavor text in the newest version, i'd say any deity of life and death or concepts relating to the balance between those would be reasonable

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but yeah if wanting to flesh out your character you are working on, #character-discussion would probably be a better place for further talk of that subject even if intending to use established lore in said creation, cuz i'd argue this more so comes down to your monk as an individual as if a mercy monk wanted to be religious there is a number of different ways they could view their teachings to serve a range of gods

deft trout
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oh, sorry, looks like others got that already

fallow leaf
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i haven't heard anything of the sort, but in d&d worlds. Is there any evidence that there's a sort of "knack" for wizardry? In a lot of fantasy stories that feature wizards there's always some sort of distinguishing factor that lets magic users even use magic, or at least use magic a little better than most. I know that kind of falls into sorcerer territory in d&d worlds but is there no barrier for any person to just become a wizard assuming there's still the act of studying magic?

cinder cloud
jagged apex
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like is not gunna be easy without some very special scenario kind of help that it is gunna be affordable, like not everyone is like vecna and was taught magic by an entity that basically is the god of magic of his world

fallow leaf
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yeah i didn't think just a preturnatural gift for magic learning was gonna be the only deciding factor on if you were a wizard or not, and i can fully understand why such a thing wouldn't exist or wouldn't need to in those worlds. Fiction with that kind of haves and have-not dynamics are often urban fantasy and need a way to explain why a world a lot like our real world doesn't just have wizards everywhere. A much less modern world where education is a little less common can also definitely explain why wizards aren't just everywhere

jagged apex
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being blessed with the gift seems to more or less be the realms wizard equivalent of being a prodigy

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i'd argue "less modern" is not an accurate way to think of it, as not only is the materials we have set in the past, but do to unlike earth, people of toril and most other worlds actually have access to magic, their technology is fundamentally designed around it rather than what we would make such as a pully system

jagged apex
iron saffron
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The "gatekeeping" part of wizardry is your Int score. In AD&D, your Int score determined how high level of spells you could learn.

fallow leaf
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makes sense. I just wanted to see if it was a thing at all in any common d&d worlds

eager bay
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Wait is there actual like dnd lore like warhammer?

iron saffron
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Yes, there's 50 years of lore.

eager bay
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Holy shit

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Cool, I'm happy to be a nerd. Any lore channels on YouTube or anything for my dumb ass to consume?

feral lintel
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AJ Pickett, Dungeon Dad

iron saffron
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There's also Jorphdan, Riches and Liches, and Esper the Bard.

eager bay
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Thank you guys

storm dagger
jagged apex
storm dagger
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There are some setting like Planescape and Spelljammer that also connect the various settings.

jagged apex
jagged apex
iron saffron
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Well, there's "one" official cosmology, the Great Wheel, but Forgotten Realms and Ebberon had/have their own (such as the World Tree).

storm dagger
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Just double checked, the name Abishai is never used, but Fiendish Spirits with descriptions closely matching Abishai are.

iron saffron
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Yeah, that didn't seem right when you wrote that. It's been like 40 years since I read the novels but I don't recall the abishai being involved in the creation of the draconians.

storm dagger
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It was the modules that went into more detail from memory.

iron saffron
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The abishai were introduced in 1E MM2 (1983) and the Dragonlance novels and modules first came out in 1984.

coarse hull
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Anyone got lore on Ilmatet? Without just sending me a link?

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Currently blocked from search engines by my parents

iron saffron
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Who's Ilmatet?

coarse hull
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Ilmater

iron saffron
jagged apex
coarse hull
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If they have any ties to mystra or Selûne

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Cause I was looking for an exiled god or goddess of compassion and healing

feral lintel
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is this for Hurate?

coarse hull
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Ye

feral lintel
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ah i have some ideas for ya then

jagged apex
iron saffron
jagged apex
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main relationships in published material he has is with Torm, Tyr, Lathander, Ibrandul, and was against gods such as Loviatar, Talona, Bane, Bhaal, Garagos, Malar, Myrkul, Shar, and Talos.

iron saffron
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Click on the link I provided.

jagged apex
iron saffron
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Just for Google.

cinder cloud
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If you don't have access to the FR wiki you can use the wayback machine or something

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But also we can't cut and paste wholecloth from the wiki otherwise we'd spam the channel

storm dagger
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I prefer people just explaining things in their own words to posting a link

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Especially when the person asked not to just get a link

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FR wiki is also kind of a mess from lots of contradictory lore

iron saffron
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FR wiki should be used as a summary rather than the end all of the lore but it does cite the official source books you can further look up the details.

storm dagger
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Just my preference to sharing lore

cinder cloud
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The bottom line is that it's the biggest collection of general and Forgotten Realms setting lore on the web and is, at least for the vast majority of articles, an accurate place to learn about and explore D&D lore.

wet roost
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I think I would get very tired of participating if I were to try and compete with a wiki.

obtuse quest
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At least it’s not on Fandom

steady verge
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Hey so what the hell is a weredragon?

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I was working on my Faerun campaign and I was looking into Dragons of Faerun and saw the term

iron saffron
steady verge
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At least Song Dragons, fits thematically

iron saffron
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I remember weredragon from the 1E days but I couldn't find it in my 1E books.

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Their name is a misnomer; their natural condition is not the cursed lycanthropy that afflicts other were-creatues. A weredragon cannot be cured of her abilities nor transmit them to other creatures by bite or any means.

jagged apex
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weredragons are actually a thing and i do not mean song dragons, and more interesting i feel in part do to their rarity

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they may have only appeared during 2e, but they are pretty cool and can make for a deep cut if they are ever reintroduced

iron saffron
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I'm trying to find the original books for the weredragon (not song dragon, which I have the 2E and 3E MM they appear in).

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Well, Fizban's dismissed lesser known dragons such as song dragons.

jagged apex
iron saffron
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Found it. 2E's Hall of Heroes. It's just one paragraph but also mentions werebision, werecats, weredogs, weredolphins, wereleopards, wereowls, werepanthers, and werespiders. No statblocks for any of them.

jagged apex
iron saffron
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Well, that's why I said dismissal rather than a hard no...

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(Fizban's is my least favourite of the Dragonomicon books of any editions).

jagged apex
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after all it says "almost certainly" so the way i interpret it at least, they are more so rare to where nobody in universe can confirm or disprove their existence, as i could see them potentially being introduced in the future and even then it specifically refers to the forgotten realms and greyhawk, which are far from the only settings in dnd, i feel it got put in there as a sort of thing to explain why in such a dragon centric book these particular dragons were not included, beside from the meta reason of the limited page count

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like if it had not been addressed at all it would have caused issues in the fandom

iron saffron
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It was certainly a disappointment for me to "close" the issue rather than leave it open for future books to include.

jagged apex
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part of me can't help but think if either of them might make it into the new monster manual given the overhauls and new monsters it will include for various creatures dragons included

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also looking forward to how they flesh out half dragons

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as some of the monsters they revealed so far seem like older edition monsters reintroduced under a slightly different name

iron saffron
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I hope they re-introduce the lung (oriental/Chinese) dragons and linnorms.

jagged apex
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same, can't go wrong with more dragons

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and even then, since i recall them mentioning a new dragon centric adventure after the new books there is still the possibility in future books it seems after the revised books have cleaned up some of the lore and changed some things that when looking back did not make as much sense to the team, so i still have hope even if they don't make the cut

jagged apex
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plus come to think about it even as far back as the radiant citadel stuff, we have precedence in 5e for such dragons with things like the Bakunawa

iron saffron
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The gold dragon in 1E intentionally looked like a wingless Chinese dragon. 2E gold dragon had wings but 3E and onward went back to a more serpent body with frill-like wings.

feral lintel
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New gold dragon art design is tight, but i want dedicated Lungs please!

jagged apex
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revised 5e is basically the best of all them, a sort of balance between it's past incarnations, least is how i view it

feral lintel
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I mean, we have a Bakunawa, i dont see any reason why they cant introduce more dragons from other mythos and folklore

iron saffron
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2E dragons were massive (up to a few hundred feet long for great wyrms).

feral lintel
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Ooohhohohohoh

jagged apex
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like between those two the idea is already there laying the ground work

feral lintel
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Wish the Bakunawa had at least one thing on its statblock or lore to reference eating the moon

unkempt merlin
feral lintel
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Speaking of which.. i want the ferrous dragons

heady hare
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is there an official draconic language? or is it left open for interpretation as per the setting

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by official language i mean like official words

jagged apex
obtuse quest
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Gonna be speaking in purely draconic next session

jagged apex
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but definitely has enough to where you could work with it like a proper language if you are willing to put in the effort

heady hare
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it doesnt seem to have many common words. was looking to come up with a name for a character in draconic with a good meaning. but not finding most words

jagged apex
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well no language in dnd to my knowledge is fully detailed, so there is enough detail in the description of it in the lore to where you could again with sufficent effort at least attempt to figure out what some words in draconic would be even if they are not confirmed, anything is canon for your own games even if playing in an established setting, that is the beauty of dnd

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but fizban's at least details and offers tools for naming dragons, both in a proper draconic name and a name they are known by as a sort of nickname or title, though the draconic does not correlate with terms in common, we tend to get such info piece by piece in articles, adventures, ect...

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and this applies to any language in dnd, much like other things in the game not everything is gunna be quantified in complete detail, some things will be intentionally left vague or incomplete to be filled in by the dm and or players

heady hare
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was looking for a word like eternal or bright. but doesnt seem to be there, even searched something close, like light or sun

feral lintel
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At most we have the scrupt of some languages; e.g. in the 2014 PHB, we had script for dwarvish and elvish

heady hare
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maybe i can use the word for celestial or for smart

jagged apex
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like the script for the language we know has the same as the human alphabet of English in our own world, so it is easier to write draconic than figure out how to pronounce it, hence why i said it takes some effort to try to deduce anything that is not already confirmed

feral lintel
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...would there happen to be a word for core?

jagged apex
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like the Phonology section of the wiki article describes how the language sounds

feral lintel
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hard and full of constonants, right?

jagged apex
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feral lintel
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so star core would be... isk arand

jagged apex
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i did find a translation for the desired terms, but it is not official so i will not share it here, but to my knowledge currently there is no official known translation of the terms eternal or ember in draconic in dnd

jagged apex
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to me that at least sounds more like a name almost

feral lintel
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Yeah, that works well for my red dragon. I kinda just used the random table from Fizban's lol

jagged apex
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honestly sounds more fitting for a solar dragon given they live in stars, technically suns, but still a star of sorts, but i digress, hopefully we were able to provide some degree of help to nemesis

white parcel
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What exactly is a mimic's psuedopod?

feral lintel
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Pseudopod is basically a tentacle

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A pseudopod is a temporary extension of a cell membrane that helps cells move and get food. The word comes from the Greek words pseudo-, meaning "false or fake", and podion, meaning "little foot".

iron saffron
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Think amoeba or other single-cell creatures that can stretch out part of its body to form a tentacle-like appendage.

jagged apex
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yeah, though is not really something you are likely to see, but basically a mimic in it's natural form would resemble basically an ooze with skin, least to my knowledge

quick zodiac
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Hi was 'officially' (stated in the lore somewhere, even previous editions) harvesting a good aligned angel considered an universal crime(?

iron saffron
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Define "universal crime."

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The multiverse is a big place. Killing a celestial could lead to a promotion in the Abyss or the Nine Hells.

quick zodiac
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sorry, multiversal crime

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I suppose by the forces of law, like Primus

iron saffron
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No.

quick zodiac
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or by the upper planes

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or by some gods themself

iron saffron
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Why would it be?

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Angels aren't that special in the grand scheme of the multiverse.

quick zodiac
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maybe because harvesting the body of an angel may be seen as an horrible act

iron saffron
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To whom?

quick zodiac
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for the god to whom the angel responded to

iron saffron
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The rule of thumb is that outsiders (the native denizens of the Outer Planes) don't truly die unless their on their native home plane.

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Their spirits that will reform on their native home plane.

quick zodiac
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I know that part, but im almost sure I read somewhere that harvesting the body of an angel was considered a multiversal crime

feral lintel
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I thought angels didnt reform

quick zodiac
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maybe its a mandela effect

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oh yeah

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they trully die

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an angels are made with the essence of a god

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so they are quite rare and valued for the god

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don't the part of reforming only applies for fiends and elementals?

iron saffron
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Most petitioners become lantern archons and work their way up through the hierarchy.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Angel#Creation_&_Ascendance

Angels were created by the will of their deities from the spirits of select petitioners. The gods or goddesses simply formed new bodies for these chosen followers in their afterlife, making them into agathinon.

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The angels of Mount Celestia were not formed directly from petitioners but were instead promoted from trumpet archons or other archons, who had already risen through the ranks of those celestials from the lowly lantern archon.

quick zodiac
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'e. Angels are formed from the astral essence of benevolent gods and are thus divine beings of great power and foresight.'

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this is from 5e

iron saffron
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Remember that deities aren't omniscient nor omniscient. They don't have a tracker on every angelic servant of theirs so they're very unlikely to know if an angel's corpse is defiled.

quick zodiac
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yeah of course, but its an hypotetical case

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like murdering is illegal

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but at first you don't know the killer identity

iron saffron
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#dm-discussion would be a better channel to discuss this because I'm assuming you're asking to work on an adventure involving the murder of an angel.

storm dagger
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I think most goodly beings and many neutral would consider killing an Angel to be bad.

In 5e at least Angels do not reform.

calm crest
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Given the infinite population of the Abyss, one could even argue that, statistically, the majority of Outsiders would be in favor of killing angels.

jagged apex
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quote "Mortals that die eventually have their souls return as petitioners in far-flung reaches of the Outer Planes. There, they manifest as idealized versions of themselves. These forms might be similar to the forms they had in life or be those of entirely different creatures. A petitioner or another Celestial or Fiend that is destroyed can reconstitute on a plane that shares its alignment after 100 years, or it might choose to become one with that plane and never return. A creature that re-forms on the planes multiple times becomes increasingly dissimilar from its original mortal form." end quote

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angels are celestials, so they qualify

steady verge
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Okay so I’m designing a creature and trying to see if theres any lore basis for something similar. Basically a spirit that’s stalking the party through Ravenloft and leaving letters for them in random places for them to find, giving them quests and making sure they know its watching them

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In my notes I’ve been referring to this thing as The Letterman

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I’m stuck between some horrific appearance and a completely human appearance, but if there’s something in the lore like this, I’ll just use that

balmy pulsar
cinder cloud
steady verge
balmy pulsar
# steady verge Homebrew it is

I think you will have to do some homebrew, but you could base it off of a skulk? (Humanoids who get lost in the shadowfell to the point where their own identities are erased?)

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Also, it sounds a bit like that old unsolved mystery of the watcher who kept sending that family letters... Maybe a Nothic might work, because they're usually horrible little things that live in the floorboards

cinder cloud
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Designing homebrew might not be the best fit for the channel.

steady verge
steady verge
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Maybe not for that but just in general

cinder cloud
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They've been in D&D since 3e

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iron saffron
jagged apex
# quick zodiac I know that part, but im almost sure I read somewhere that harvesting the body o...

crime would be the wrong word if you ask me, as crime means it goes against a sort of formal law, but extraplanar beings are in a situation where their body and soul are one in the same, to destroy one is to destroy them permanently, at least historically, and one of the reasons lichdom is considered such an evil act is cuz the most common form of lichdom is sustained via the consumption of other sentient being's souls and the destruction of that soul, regardless of the context is seen as a universally evil act, so you could potentially use that as a means to deduce the most likely answer to your question, also the nature of an extra planar being's body and soul being one in the same makes harvesting body parts nearly impossible, as that is part of why they do not leave a body behind when slain on the prime material plane for example like how devils and demons after about 10 minutes if i am not mistaken, their physical form on that plane is reduced to ash or ichor respectively

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historically this applied to all if not most extra planar beings and "morte's planar parade" seemed to reestablish/confirm this with the quote from earlier

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morality in the outer planes and in relation to the beings that call those planes home can get complicated from a mortal perspective as they are founded in and operate in such extremes, is part of why you rarely see angels get involved on the prime material plane, their perspectives on good and evil are pretty much alien to that of a mortal

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steady verge
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Its watching, and keeping track if their movements

calm crest
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Air elementals are not infrequently invisible or nearly so, and spined devils, especially unique ones, may be specifically suited to stealth and tracking.

jagged apex
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to my knowledge no such existing creature well, exists, there are some that meet some parameters but not others, so i feel is an ample spot to homebrew your own and in the domains of dread such things don't necessarily need a statblock, such as the 5e being that was introduced in "Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft" known as the bagman

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closest existing creature i can think of to the concept you are looking for is the invisible stalker

calm crest
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This is true. Ravenloft is notoriously the home of a wide variety of monsters seen nowhere else.

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It is a shame that there’s never been a water equivalent of the invisible stalker. There’ve been phantom stalkers for fire and dune stalkers for earth, but weirdly no elemental water version.

jagged apex
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as the demiplanes of dread are a unique territory/section of the multiverse, in the 5e greatwheel cosmology, most specifically the shadowfell, like horror of every flavor exists there in some form or fashion as "Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft" covers with several examples for making new ones and a hand full of existing ones from published lore

jagged apex
calm crest
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Slithering trackers are the closest conceptually to the elemental stalker archetype, I’d say, but they’re oozes rather than elementals.

iron saffron
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Yeah, I had homebrew a water-based stalker.

honest swift
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do you know any far realm god? i struggle to find one and its for a warlock patron

iron saffron
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The Great Mother, the god of beholders.

jagged apex
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far realm does not really have gods as we know them, besides a warlock's patron does not need to be a god, any sufficently powerful entity will do

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iron saffron
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honest swift
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honest swift
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jagged apex
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also given how different the far realm is to the multiverse proper in dnd, i'd argue logic is almost anathema to such a realm as the two opperate vastily different, is partially why things from the far realm tend to be horrific by mortal standards

iron saffron
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Remember the thing about the Far Realm is that it's a different dimension from the D&D multiverse, completely alien to us. It's suppose to be a nod to Cthuhlu cosmic horror. Very little has been written about it in lore to keep its mystery.

fallow leaf
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Yeah it’s not really meant to be a place where adventures take place. More or less just a place explaining at least a little bit the origin of a lot of aberrant monsters

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feral lintel
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what classification of dragon, if any, are song dragons

iron saffron
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It didn't have one as far as I know but probably leaned towards metallic (they were always good-aligned) since they resembled silver dragons.

jagged apex
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yeah far as i know they would fall under "Miscellaneous dragons" at least that is how the forgotten realms wiki categorizes them for what that is worth

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same sort of "group" as the Cobra, Dzalmus, Mist, Rattelyr, and Vishap dragons

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i put group in quotation marks as i am not sure if it is a proper group or just basically any kind of true dragon that does not fall into the the other major sort of families such as chromatic, metallic, gem, ect...

olive bridge
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are potion of healing and potion of greater healing identical in appearance?

iron saffron
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Not really a lore question. Read the magic item descriptions.

olive bridge
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Eh, I always forget that lore and flavor aren't the same.

silver tartan
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I was wondering what the biggest feat done by a 9th level spell slot in lore, or if anyone had a good conversion rate between spell slots and Jouls (if something like that exists)

feral lintel
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thats not a thing

iron saffron
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Gameplay mechanics isn't really a thing in lore.

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D&D is also not a physica simulator.

calm crest
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Wish is commonly regarded to be the most powerful (modern) spell. It can do nearly anything. The level already is the unit of relative power.

jaunty light
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i'm not sure if it has been asked, but would it be possible that when the new campaign setting for Forgotten realms is released, the timeline would go to 1356 DR?

scarlet sigil
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We're already way past that. The 'current' date is somewhere in the 1490s iirc

tall berry
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🤦‍♂️

jaunty light
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I get that, I kinda figured if Greyhawk went back to 571, Forgotten Realms would follow?

modest badger
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Not neccessarily. 5e has already had plenty of Forgotten realm content, with specific dates. And FR has pretty consistently been updated through the editions.

Greyhawk hasn't. Last it really got any proper update was in living greyhawk, 3rd edition.

Greyhawk retuning to 571, as it was in the original box set, is a nice little call back and doesn't erase too much of what folk would know about it. The Greyhawk wars of 2e maybe, but Living Greyhawk was a little restricted behind being part of the living campaign, and much of the regional events were restricted to specific real life regions too.

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Returning to 571 CY is helpful in someway, as it was the starting state of Greyhawk and already familiar as a campaign world that had enough info to run with, without being overwhelming.
Trying to return to 1e FR state would be the opposite of helpful for most players.

grim siren
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Yea. And in three years the Time Skip caused by 4e's Spellplague would mark the half way point of the Realms.

There has been a lot of content set post Spellplague, no where near as much pre-spellplague. But it's now been 17 years since the timeskip. Most DND players today don't know much about pre time-skip realms.

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If anything I foresee the new book solidly codifying a year to launch from. Like 1500, or 1505 etc.

Since most of our dates in 5e are garbled and inferred in relation to other events. The most common one being. "This happens XX years since the eruption of Mt. Hotenow."

So the adventures take place all over the map from 1481 to 1496 with no rhyme or reason to it, and do to a typo one takes place in 1501 DR.

jaunty light
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Honestly I would love the timeline to be sent to the next century, it would be a solid starting point for sure and show a milestone in a way with the updated books

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Also that makes sense. I was envisioning a return of the timeline with some modifications, like the current stuff being somewhat kept. So really it would be more a pseudo rollback

grim siren
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I thought that was where WotC was going with 5e's obelisks but I don't think they committed to it.

jaunty light
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Like the Dragonborn didn’t migrate from Abeir, but were more or less a part of Toril the whole time

jaunty light
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grim siren
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Yea but like I said, its was 20 years from the realm's publiciation to the Spellplague Time-Skip. Its been 17 years from the Time-Skip to now. It would only confuse players.

modest badger
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Also small correction, but Greyhawk is 576 CY not 571.
Living Greyhawk dates were fun as generally the CY year matched the real life year, for example anything published in 2001 occurred in 591, and 2008 occurred in 598cy and so on.

This didn't really apply to earlier publications, with 2e (1988)'s Greyhawk starting in 584, and 1e (1980's) Greyhawk in 576- but you can see some consistent real time/IG time chronology there. (You could also argue that 1e Greyhawk started with 1976's Lost Caverns of Tsojconth and also an article in Dragon Magazine 'the gnome cache'). And some events were rearranged so modules took place before or after each other in different orders to original publication.

jaunty light
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modest badger
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I did rhe same, but something was niggling at me so I had to check up some of the dates. If we'd kept Living Greyhawk's "Real Time to Game Year" method, Then we'd be in 614/ 615CY

grim siren
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Yea and part of the whole Realms ethos was that it was not to be a stagnant unchanging setting. If you want a setting that has a constant entry point that is unchanging, that is what Eberron is for.

People just got miffed at the 4e transition because the majority of fan favorite characters in the realms were human, and a 94 year time skip means they die or are contrivedly brought back to life. Drizzt's companions were all examples of this. If the Time-Skip had not been so drastic I doubt it would have been nearly as big of a deal to the realms fans.

jaunty light
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Loving the dark elf trilogy, am halfway through Exile

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Also I’m not really against the ethos, was more or less unaware that was the way things were, I was more or less curious if that was on the horizon and it looks like that’s not. Eberron sounds cool, too.

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That being said, in the forgotten realms, is there a solid entry point? Or is it flexible with entry with multiple doors?

grim siren
cinder cloud
sharp owl
deft trout
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The ultimate fantasy kitchen sink. You want it, there's something in the Realms for it

snow laurel
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can werewolves eat chocolate

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asking for a friend

modest badger
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A fun idea, but there is no official lore on that and werewolves are not actually wolves, or have strictly canine biology. They're a supernatural being, resulting from a curse, that ends with a being that represents more the idea of a wolf than actually being a wolf. Most therianthropes in D&D do not act exactly as the real animal would.

cinder cloud
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Also, it should be noted, that D&D is not a science simulation. Biology, chemistry, physics... best leave it out of the game.

muted marsh
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I once heard that a dragon's magic is contained in their treasure hordes, or something to that effect?

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my character is trying to do a thing and I want to make sure I get it right

iron saffron
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Fizban's has details on some of their essence "leaking" to their hoard.

muted marsh
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that's what it was

iron saffron
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Why would a character do that? That's on the descretion of the DM.

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heady hare
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do other fiends and gods have any special minions/devils like how Tiamat has Abishai? more specifically Bane

iron saffron
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Lolth has the yochlol.

cinder cloud
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Not sure about "special" but most big bads have favored animals and monsters. Bane is no exception.

Favored animals
Vultures
Green-eyed black cats
Bats
Black dogs

Favored monsters
Baatezu
Beholders
Black dragons
Death tyrants
Banelar nagas
Beasts of Bane
Fang dragons
Green dragons
Hell hounds

Source: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bane

balmy garden
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does chronepsis have names for their followes?

cinder cloud
balmy garden
cinder cloud
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None that I know of.

balmy garden
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aight ty

obtuse quest
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Just a quick thing, what happens when astral creatures die? Say like a Morkoth. Does it depend where it dies, ie: material plane or astral plane, etc etc

jagged apex
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to my knowledge such a thing is never addressed, but the astral plane/sea is a realm of thought, so make of that what you will

tawny raven
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Hi I’m very new and I’m wondering what do other species think of aasimar?

iron saffron
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Not really a lore as the question is rather vague.

clever path
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How various species perceive one another absolutely falls under lore. The problem is iirc there isn’t a general perception for Aasimar specifically by general populations like how Tieflings are oft viewed poorly

misty scaffold
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to my understanding aasimar are super rare, probably one of the rarest species in forgotten realms at least, and thats probably why there's no exact standard way for people to react

tawny raven
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modest badger
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There is older lore on this, however the main issue now is that we're moving away from 'monolithic species views'. There would be no reason, for example, for all dwarves from various different cultures to have specific shared outlook on aasimar.

But we can get some general or older lore outlooks:

2e Monstrous Compendium Appendix II:

Unlike tieflings, aasimar are rarely outcasts or orphans. Instead, they usually have the benefit of a respectable upbringing on the side of their mortal parent. On rare occasions, aasimar are born into prime-material worlds where no one knows their true heritage.
(...)
Tieflings heartily resent them because their mixed heritage isn’t perceived as a fault, like the tieflings’ own commonly is.
To the tiefling mind, an aasimar is a coddled half-breed who’s had everything handed to him on a silver plate.
And noted that most would usually mistake them for elven heritage.

iron saffron
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2E aasimar and tieflings were very different than their 4E and 5E iterations. 2E tieflings had no fixed physical traits or appearances like the contemporary tieflings do — each individual had different body parts that gave away their fiendish heritage (small horns, goat-like hooved legs, etc).

modest badger
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Aasimar stayed relatively similar, but one thing to note is that Aasimar/ Teifling/ Genasi and so on in older editions are explicitly human heritage. 5e's newer take allows them to be a bit more open.

iron saffron
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Aasimar tend to be able to pass off of their mortal side with some subtle hints at their celestial heritage.

tawny raven
modest badger
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5e Volo's Guide to Monsters didn't really go into much detail, but notes that Aasimar often try to hide their heritage to avoid unwanted attention from more hostile and evil aligned individuals that would love to take a shot at a 'celestial' associated individual.

Aasimar don't have wings. They can manifest them briefly in 5e.

cinder cloud
iron saffron
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As far as I can recall 3E aasimars don't have wings nor can manifest them.

tawny raven
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I just got my first ever DND book yesterday so I’m just trying to get some extra knowledge

modest badger
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2e Monstrous Compendium Appendix II:

Aasimar are beautiful creatures, with calm, serene features and an inner radiance that shines from their faces. They’ve got long manes of white-gold hair, and bright, piercing eyes that seem to look right though a basher. It’s easy to mistake an aasimar for a human of unnatural purity, a half-elf, or even an agathinon.

3e Forgotten Realms Campaign setting:

'Some have a minor physical trait suggesting their heritage, such as silver hair, golden eyes, or an unnaturally intense stare. those descended from a celestial minion of a Faerunian deity often carry a birthmark in the shape of the deity's holy symbol'

5e, Volo's Guide to Monsters (Legacy):

'They are people of otherwordly visafes, with luminous features that reveal their celestial heritage

5e Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse has suggestions like unusual freckles, unusual eyes, unusual hair colour, an aura/halo, or even unusual shadow colour, which is similar to the 5e 2024 PHB info

spring wedge
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Hey, I have a quick couple of questions for you experts out there.
Has any sort of afterlife or immortality come out of the far realms from the Great Old Ones or Elder Evils?
What about the archfey?
Asking for inspiration for a warlock cult.

iron saffron
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Mortal souls from the Material Plane go to the Outer Planes, not the Far Realm (which is outside of the D&D multiverse).

spring wedge
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But I’m saying, is it possible that a far realm influence could provide an afterlife

cinder cloud
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Any creature that resides in the Astral Sea are essentially immortal, as they don't age there

spring wedge
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That’s true…

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But no Feywild or Far realm version of Heaven?

iron saffron
spring wedge
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(Probably not a great heaven in the far realm)

spring wedge
fallow leaf
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fey who die usually don't die for long

spring wedge
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Entities

iron saffron
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The Feywil and the Shadowfell are echoes of the Material Plane so souls don't go there.

spring wedge
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Souls are not unmalleable in Dnd

spring wedge
iron saffron
spring wedge
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Souls get stuck in the Shadowfell

iron saffron
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That's not a response.

spring wedge
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Use your eyes

spring wedge
iron saffron
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Again, I have explained that mortal souls go to the Outer Planes. The Feywild and Shadowfell are part of the Inner Planes.

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Do you want the official lore or not?

fallow leaf
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souls can get stuck there but so can the material plane. That's why ghosts exist

spring wedge
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“Some souls, for a variety of reasons, never made it to the Fugue Plane.[12][15] Some became trapped in the Border Ethereal[16] or the Shadowfell as ghosts or other incorporeal undead,[12][15] visible by other creatures on the Material Plane if the spirit so chose.[16]”

spring wedge
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I am referring to that

iron saffron
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Okay...

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What are you trying to argue then?

spring wedge
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Can similar things like that happen on different dimensions than usual

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Can you get ghosts in the feywild?

calm crest
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Souls may trapped in the Far Realm. This is not the same thing as a Petitioner in the Outer Planes.

spring wedge
iron saffron
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Mortal souls.

calm crest
spring wedge
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Thank you

cinder cloud
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Ghosts are just souls with unfinished business

calm crest
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It’s adjacent to the Ethereal, so a ghost could hypothetically even drift there accidentally from the Material Plane.

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iron saffron
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The concept of petitioners were introduced in 2E Planescape.

spring wedge
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Let me modify my original question

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In DND lore a follower of a god goes to their respective realms, almost always in the outer planes.

calm crest
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Yes, that is typically the case.

spring wedge
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Could a god make their divine realm in the far realms or feywild if they had the power?

calm crest
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No confirmed deities reside in the Far Realm, only some Elder Evils.

spring wedge
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Or theoretically in any plane

iron saffron
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Yes, but the petitioner could be stolen/lured away, such as devils and demons, who want souls to fuel the Blood War.

spring wedge
spring wedge
calm crest
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There are deities whose home is the Prime Material, Astral, or Elemental planes.

spring wedge
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Ohh

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These are helpful.

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Thank you

iron saffron
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The corpses of dead gods float in the Astral Plane.

spring wedge
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I really don’t see the connection

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But it is interesting

iron saffron
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It's just a minor trivial fact. Nothing more. 😛

spring wedge
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So thank you

calm crest
# spring wedge Would they have the power required to do so

Elder Evils, which the Far Realm is a spawning ground for, are notoriously eager and able to kill gods. It’d be unlikely that a deity would try to reside there, but would likely get killed very quickly. The gods of the Illithids reside in the Outlands, and the Great Beholder Mother resides in/is a layer of the Abyss. So even aberrant gods are unable to dwell in the Far Realm.

spring wedge
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Wow

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That’s weird

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What do elder evils do

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Do they try and make religions?

calm crest
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They can be Great Old One patrons.

spring wedge
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Or are they singularly powerful beings

calm crest
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Some have religions, like the Cult of Zargon.

feral lintel
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typically destroy the worlds, but it depends on the specific being

spring wedge
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cinder cloud
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As an aside, asking folks to speculate about what is possible or not isn't a very good way to frame a lore question. We can answer factual questions with objective answers, but theory and subjective questions can be difficult or often impossible to answer with any level of accuracy.

calm crest
spring wedge
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Oooh

feral lintel
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i suggest checking out the FR Wiki

iron saffron
spring wedge
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My apologies

spring wedge
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Thanks 🙂

cinder cloud
modest badger
calm crest
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Zargon was originally created for the Known World/Mystara, which has a notably different cosmology than the mainstream D&D multiverse. The later version connects it/him to the primordial Baatorians.

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Which both versions still meet the (broad) criteria for Elder Evil, but I guess neither Zargon has any connection to the Far Realm.

dark mason
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does Dnd have anything that could resemble Tzeentch as a big bad?

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Any god, demon or monster that could be similar to a chaos god?

iron saffron
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No idea what a Tzeentch is.

dark mason
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Basically a chaotic evil god of magic

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But like on a galactic level rather than just a planet

iron saffron
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Campaign settings like Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms have their own gods.

dark mason
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Yeah but about things like Great Old One

iron saffron
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It's not a god.

dark mason
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On a technical level or a power level?

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Like Hunger of Hadar spell, is Hadar the GOO? Can it eat Lloth?

iron saffron
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Speculation isn't the purview of this channel.

dark mason
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Thanks this actually helps the original question I was asking

fallow leaf
heady hare
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Other than the powers, how do druids of different circle differ lore wise?

cinder cloud
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It would be needlessly exhaustive to try and list out all the differences.

clear edge
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so I have a question to help with a final boss battle im setting up. this wizard is calling on the powers of the shadowfell to help summon them to the material plane. I was wanting to know if there would be any figures who would lend their power to acomplish the goal and what their names are? (im not very well versed in dnd lore but I wanna try)

cinder cloud
iron saffron
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The Raven Queen is the most well known and powerful entity in the Shadowfell.

clear edge
calm crest
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Barring trickier and more nebulous beings like the Dark Powers of Ravenloft (which may or may not be connected to the concept of vestiges), the Raven Queen is a pretty good bet in terms of raw power and interest in the Prime.

clear edge
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raven queen doesnt sound like a bad pick either

iron saffron
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The Underdark isn't a very hospitable place.

cinder cloud
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I mean you can make an underground forest grotto or whatever, those are just typical creatures

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Don't let lore stop you from being creative

tawny raven
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Can a Aasimar be the offspring of any kind of celestial?

iron saffron
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Most aasimar (in 5E) often than not aren't offspring of a celestial but rather can trace celestial in their bloodline. There is no hard rule which kind of celestial they can be derived from.

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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Aasimar#Description

Most aasimar had pupil-less pale white, gray, or golden eyes and silver hair, but those descended from planetars could also have emerald skin, while those descended from avoral celestials might have feathers mixed in with their hair. Those descended from ghaeles often had pearly opalescent eyes. Solar-descended aasimars often had brilliant topaz eyes instead or silvery or golden skin and those with couatl or lillend lineage most commonly had small, iridescent scales. Many aasimar also had a light covering of feathers on their shoulders, where an angel's wings might sprout. As in tieflings, aasimar bloodlines could sometimes run dormant for generations, reemerging after being hidden for some time.

crude blaze
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I actually think the new Aasimar art in the 2024 PHB kinda suggests features of creatures like a couatl

iron saffron
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It's mentioned in the quote above.

elfin linden
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i dont know if this is a lore question but in the Shadowfell its residents used to have any mounts? which creatures were they?

iron saffron
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I don't see why not. The Shadowfell is essentially an echo of the Material Plane.

elfin linden
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trying to think of a mount for my shadar-kai. i did some research and the only one that caught my attention was the displacer beast

iron saffron
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The Shadowfell hasn't gotten that much detail since it's "relatively" new. It appeared in 4E but before that it was the (demi) Plane of Shadow.

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Think of the Shadowfell like the Upside Down World in Stranger Things.

elfin linden
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okay thanks

crude blaze
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Yeah, it's the dark "mirror realm" to the Material Plane

unkempt merlin
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while not in every setting, Gloomstalkers were used as mounts on occasion in Exandria and iirc originate from the shadowfell

crude blaze
unkempt merlin
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official statblock is different enough but yea

crude blaze
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I think that was another case of WOTC taking the liberties to change it from what Mercer was using, but I might be wrong.

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Similar to what they did with Echo Knight mechanics

jagged apex
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given lions are one of the examples given, supposedly other animals just as easily could exist

iron saffron
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Remember that back in 3.5E you can have creatures, such as Beasts and Magical Beasts, with a different creature type, such as Outsider (celestial, fiend, elemental etc). So it wasn't surprising to find a shadow version.

mental cloak
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What types of Dragons were known to use Illusion magic more so than other Dragons, if that is a thing at all?

feral lintel
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probably green or blue

mental cloak
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Green or Blue you say huh? Alrighty

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Ill be going with Blue from my basic research. Green seems more so enchantment based.

thorny rock
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How much would a fish cost? (From goldfish to sturgeon level)

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It's more or less for a backstory about fish.

feral lintel
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Thats up to DM and setting

scarlet sigil
# thorny rock How much would a fish cost? (From goldfish to sturgeon level)

I happen to have collected some prices. These are from various old published material (can provide details if needed):

Fish, fresh-caught: 3 cp
Pickled fish, barrel: 3 gp
Cod, salted (1 lb): 5 gp
Cod, smoked (1 lb): 7 gp
Salmon, salted (1 lb): 10 gp
Salmon, smoked (1 lb): 15 gp
Herring, pickled (1 lb): 3 gp
Sardines (1 lb): 4 gp
Giant fish: 5 gp per hit die

cinder cloud
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That's some expensive fish

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Is that by the barrel?

scarlet sigil
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no, that's by the pound, according to the 3e Arms And Equipment Guide, p.31
edited the weight in

cinder cloud
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The most expensive meal (~1 pound of "aristocratic" food) in the 2024 PHB is 6sp, which is why I questioned those prices.

scarlet sigil
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For sure. I think the premium there is considering these are preserved goods. Fresh fish would be less expensive than ones you can store for a while.

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I agree that it's still expensive though. It's good to keep in mind that older editions prices might also not 1:1 match 5e.

cinder cloud
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Like a living, breathing cow (source for endless gallons of milk and/or hundreds of pounds of meat) is 10 gp.

scarlet sigil
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Remarkably, AD&D also had a cow at 10 gp, so at least there's consistency there TashaLOL

cinder cloud
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Yeah just seems weird that a pound of salted salmon is equivalent to a whole cow

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But hey, lore is lore! 🙂

snow laurel
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It's kinda weird that goliaths have no connection with semitic or mediterranean lore when the race is named after a philistine dude, most of the depictions of them are vaguely norse.

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Storm goliaths being based off the philisitines, peleset or the bronze age collapse-era sea peoples would be neat

feral lintel
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Goliath is just the term used for tall people, so im not really seeing a need

snow laurel
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goliath is to tall people as kleenex is to facial tissue

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as "D&D" is to tabletop RPG

jagged apex
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yeah the race likely gets it's name from how the name goliath has been used to describe tall people as they are much larger humanoids, not as big as many giant kin, but still quite big, not everything in dnd is inspired by real world mythology or cultures

jagged apex
snow laurel
jagged apex
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that is because a good chunck are based off such things, but not everything is

feral lintel
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gorgons iirc got there due to that being another name for catoblepas in Africa

jagged apex
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yeah they adapted gorgons from multiple myths for different creatures into dnd is part of the meta reason why medusa are called that in dnd and why the gorgon is a metal bull like creature

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dnd pulls from multiple cultures for several creatures and at times they have the same names so changes have to be made to avoid confusion even if they otherwise transplant everything else from the inspiration into it's dnd lore

feral lintel
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Rip the Bakunawa not referencing it eating moons

jagged apex
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well in dnd plenty of things live on those moons, including other dragons

feral lintel
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yeah, but like, nothing in Radiant Citadel references the Bakunawa attempting to eat the moon in any way, shape of form.

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which is like, a core component of it in Filipino folklore

jagged apex
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like the inspiration these creatures are sometimes taken from often don't even acknowledge other mythologies or the like, dnd is made from many and exist in a shared cosmos most often

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inspired does not mean it is ment to 1 to 1

feral lintel
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ik 😭

jagged apex
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well what little info it has, they seem tied more so with storms and tides at least for dnd's versions, and in dnd the moon does not really seem to have ties to tides as historically the moon is even a domain for divine magic https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Moon_domain

feral lintel
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Yeah, the Bakunawa is more of a tempestual being, but its main gimmick was that it wanted to eat the moon

jagged apex
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well you can easily do that in your games, but seems the reason in published lore that does not exist for the dnd version is do to the nature of what is associated with the moon in dnd

main canopy
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Are there any devils, demons, or fiends that pretend to be a celestial/good aligned in the lore?

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My player wants some ideas for a warlock patron. I suggested Zariel but that doesnt QUITE fit the bill

cinder cloud
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Gargauth was a dangerous and thoroughly wicked being, the guise of civil compassion he wore at first only making the cruelty more horrible. He came off as personable, reasonable and sagacious in most of his encounters, with nearly all those he encountered viewing him as the wittiest and wisest being they ever met. Even compared to the Lords of the Nine, he was a master strategist, a rival to even Asmodeus in terms of wiliness and guile. Despite his charming façade of intellectual sophistication however, Gargauth's true nature, that of a being so foul that supposedly even his fellow archdevils were repulsed, always revealed itself eventually.

iron saffron
cinder cloud
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A bit low level for a warlock patron though

iron saffron
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Well, there's no lower limit for patron's CR. Technically an unicorn could be a celestial patron.

fallow leaf
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Could totally be a coven of them granting that power

cinder cloud
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While CR is certainly not a requirement for a warlock patron, they are listed officially as powerful entities... the very nature of a patron assumes they are more powerful than a level 20 character

unkempt merlin
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There are some patron examples that are explicitly less than that iirc

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In 5e at least

iron saffron
cinder cloud
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I think it is safe to assume that any listed example of a lesser patron would be an exceptional example of such a creature, not represented by a mere stat block. It makes little sense that a warlock would surpass their patron in power.

unkempt merlin
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Ki rin too

cinder cloud
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But I digress. I'll see if I can dig up some more fiends that like to masquerade as someone good

main canopy
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Fair. Lilitu sounds cool but im trying to find an evil deity/fiend that actively pretends to be a good deity or other upper planes creature.

unkempt merlin
main canopy
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Ive heard of some deities siphoning worship from others but generally their domains have overlap in those cases

iron saffron
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Or the fiend is just a proxy/conduit for an even greater power. For the lilitu, they serve the demon lord Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi.

unkempt merlin
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Patron stacks isn't uncommon for fiends

iron saffron
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Unmasking a Scooby Doo villain...

main canopy
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"Your contract has been headhunted by my boss. We're coworkers now"

iron saffron
main canopy
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The player is pitching Asmodeus pretending to be Azuth. Will let them go for it and just read up on any possible connective tissue as we move along in the campaign. Thanks!

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The wiki says Asmodeus absorbed Azuth at one point so it sounds good to me!

iron saffron
main canopy
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Cool. Just for the sake of making this character work I'm gonna say Azuth coming back was a scheme by the Lord of Lies Asmodeus :). But good to know theres something there

fallow leaf
tawny raven
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Are there animal like creatures in hell?

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Like creatures with animal intelligence

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snakes, spiders, cats, dogs, stuff like that?

iron saffron
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Yes, there are fiendish versions of Beasts.

tawny raven
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Do you have any examples I could look up?

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I’ve tried looking this stuff up before, but I just see stuff like imps and stuff like that

iron saffron
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Go to 3E Monster Manual where it has templates for fiends.

Fiendish creatures dwell on the lower planes, the realms of evil, although they resemble beings found on the Material Plane. They are more fearsome in appearance than their earthly counterparts.

"Fiendish" is an inherited template that can be added to any corporeal aberration, animal, dragon, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, plant, or vermin of nongood alignment (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

scarlet sigil
tawny raven
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You just made my day! I want one as a pet!!!!

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Soooo dose hell have it’s own ecosystem?

iron saffron
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Each layer has its own ecology.

unkempt merlin
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And while planes are generally one type of "ecosystem" , they also generally have multiple biomes that play into it

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ex: Avernus is primarily a desert wasteland type environment, but it has marshes/bogs (particularly near the Styx), it has forests of fiendish plants, etc

iron saffron
tulip sail
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Lore about the hells are so dope

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I gotta read more of it, my only introduction to DND World is really Baldur's Gate and the Warlock class really caught my eye especially Wyll's Fiend and Raphael's place

tawny raven
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I love the hells so much!

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They’re probably my favorite aspect of the universe

tulip sail
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The Warlock patrons offer so much in terms of places and realms

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Fiends, Feys, and Old One's

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The spells keep going especially Hunger of Hadar

crude blaze
fallow leaf
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I mean wasn’t dawn war pantheon just part the nerath pantheon before wotc did forgotten realms for 4th edition

iron saffron
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Pretty much.

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Some of those gods were also from Greyhawk.

feral lintel
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anyplace i can find a glossary for giant words?

modest badger
marsh apex
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hello. I wish to geek out over Neverwinter and the erruption of Mount Hotenow in 1491 (the eruption which is 40 years after the cataclysm).

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I know about random activity in the area which caused The Cataclysm. I know there was a big push back in this area in 1479.

Questions:
What happens in this area after 1479?
Why does the 1491 eruption happen?
Are there any descriptions about the 1491 eruption? What is destroyed?
Is Fireguard Fortress part of the dwarven city Gauntlgrym?

sharp owl
marsh apex
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ok so it is a minor erruption. And if I look up that movie to see it basically they treat Mount Hotenow as if it is a pretty lava fountain

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Also, how big is Gauntlgrym? It is described as having a front door on Mount Hotenow but also an entrance on the swordcoast near the Dessarin river (i.e. Waterdeep). That's like 460 km or 285 miles

sharp owl
marsh apex
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ok, understood. People thought it was somewhere but it was not. It is actually in the Crags (as is Mount Hotenow) and has various entry points from this mountain range

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So remaining questions:
What happens in this area after 1479?
Why does the 1491 eruption happen? Are The Hillborn Dwarves still there? Are the Heros of the Sleeping Dawn around? Has the Dread ring been active after it was mostly destroyed? Have the fire worshippers returned? Anyone else moved into this area?
Is Fireguard Fortress on Mount Hotenow part of the dwarven city Gauntlgrym which has an entrance on Mount Hotenow?

sharp owl
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Presumably between 1479 and 1491 nothing of note happened and as for why there was a minor eruption, it happened because sometimes volcanos erupt due to geological reasons

marsh apex
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thank you @sharp owl

sharp owl
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I didn't do anything except do some searches in the FR wiki

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it's a good starting point for any lore questions about FR

marsh apex
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I have been deep into the Wikis. I had just missed a lot of things while trying to build the timelines

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next random question. Fey crossings typically appear where 2 or more laylines cross. It does appear when looking at the maps that many of those encounters and known locations do seem to be in lines. Is there a map of Ley lines in Toril?

cinder cloud
marsh apex
# cinder cloud Ley lines are not a thing in FR. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Fey_cro...

Don't they? They used to

"Witches are solitary by nature, requiring little arcane instruction beyond the teachings of their familiar, and most prefer to keep their craft secret lest they be targeted by witch hunters. Therefore, a moon coven typically convenes only once during the course of a year, in an isolated location in the wilder ness often near standing stones, ley lines, or other sites that thrum with arcane power, on an evening when the coven’s moon phase displays in its ideal state in the dark heavens above." - Heros of the Feywild 4E

" Within the Feywild are places referred to as fey demesnes, which typically manifest in locations where two or more ley lines meet (see the “Ley Lines” sidebar).

LEY LINES
Arcane power churns through the Feywild along ancient, hidden paths known as ley lines. Some believe ley lines are the threads holding the fabric of the world intact, stitching one plane to the next. Ley lines in the Feywild have counterparts in the mortal realm, places of power that are often the sites of fey crossings. Indeed, following a ley line on either plane is often an excellent way to discover a lost fey crossing.
Places where ley lines intersect or terminate are highly magical. A character performing a ritual with the key skill of Arcana or Nature in such a place gains a +2 bonus to any skill check called for in the ritual. The ritual’s component cost is also reduced to 75% of the normal cost. (Magic permeating the area improves the efficacy of the ritual components.)" Manuel of the Plane 4E

cinder cloud
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They might be a thing in the feywild

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But as far as the lore you cited goes, it looks like 4e lore that never really got brought over to the Realms. Certainly not in the form of a map at any rate.

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It's odd that they talk about the "mortal" realm instead of the material plane...

jagged apex
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eh, to be fair given the nature of life in the outerplanes, one way you could describe the prime material plane as the mortal realm as many of the races/species with natural lifespans tend to come from the prime material plane, then again 4e was the most removed from other editions lore wise to my understanding

iron saffron
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WotC wanted to do a "soft reboot" with 4E, moving away from Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms with the Points of Light campaign setting. 5E pretty much retconned most of the changes 4E implemented.

thorny hound
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Are there some kinds of civilizations on elemental planes or are the inhabitants running around like "wild animals"?

reef cape
sharp owl
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For example, there's the City of Brass on the elemental plane of fire

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Elemental Plane of Air:

  • Borealis
  • Citadel of Ice and Steel
  • Taifun, Palace of Tempests

Elemental Plane of Earth:

  • The Great Dismal Delve
  • The Sevenfold Mazework
  • The Hidden Fulcrum
  • The Pale River
  • The Iron Crucible
  • The Aviary

Elemental Plane of Air:

  • Citadel of Ten Thousand Pearls
  • City of Glass
thorny hound
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Interesting, and every other plane also has civilizations and cultures

sharp owl
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For varying degrees of what counts as civilisation

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For example, Acheron is known as The Infinite Battlefield, where the mindless spirits of warriors without a purpose fight for all eternity

hollow cipher
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[Forgotten Realms] [Ravenloft] I don't understand something about how the Domains of Dread work now. So it's in the Shadowfell now instead of being its own thing, right? Instead of the Ethereal plane where it used to be? If my interpretation of the texts are correct, that Shar owns the Shadowfell, would it not mean that the Dark Powers (as they are part of her domain) are subservient to Shar?

cinder cloud
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The Domains of Dread reside within (but remain distinct and separate from) the Shadowfell. Any relationship between Shar and the Dark Powers are arguably inscrutable, as are each of these entities on their own. The wiki contains some lore but the citation appears to be missing... You can read that here:
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Domains_of_Dread

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What is clear from the most recent materials we have is that the Dark Powers (and they alone) rule over the Domains of Dread

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There is no mention of subservience to Shar

hollow cipher
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I see. Given how planar powers worked, I had assumed that because the Dark Powers resided within the Domains of Dread, which are in the Shadowfell, they'd then be vassals of the one who rules the Shadowfell.

Apparently it's still a demiplane, just a demiplane within the Shadowfell that's still somehow disconnected from it. Strange, but such is the case for 4e/5e lore. Thanks for the help.

cinder cloud
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I've never heard of "vassals" being a thing in the Shadowfell

iron saffron
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4E lore screwed things up...

cinder cloud
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Understated

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And yeah as far as some sort of strict heirarchy in the Shadowfell I'm not aware of anything

jagged apex
# hollow cipher I see. Given how planar powers worked, I had assumed that because the Dark Power...

not really, the domains of dread were not always part of the shadowfell, that is merely where it is with the 5e cosmology, but is an isolated section of it, effectively a series of demiplanes with a plane, and the dark powers are vague to where not much of anything is known about them all we know is they are not gods in the normal sense of dnd, they control the domains of dread, and use the dark lords they capture/appoint as something akin to glorified batters

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like one of the few ways to escape such a fate is to my knowledge seen with lord Soth of the dragonlance setting, they released him because he became effectively decensitized to where he felt nothing, let alone torment from the personal prison/punishment his domain of dread was ment to be, since there was no suffering of his to feed off of, they just let him go, least is my understanding, his final release from ravenloft being said to be from the novel "Spectre of the Black Rose."

calm crest
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The Dark Powers and Shar are just powerful entities that happen to reside in the same plane with no specific hierarchy. It’s like how both deities and demon lords populate the Abyss, but neither category outranks the other automatically.

jagged apex
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well the dark powers are just powerful entities, Shar is a propper goddess at least in the forgotten realms setting

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but yeah not everything has a clear hierarchy, last i checked the shadowfell is technically contested by like 3 or 4 powerful entities of note, such as the raven queen, vecna, orcus, and shar herself