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Has there been any follow up lore on Arabella or Mol from BG3? Like how they turned out when they grew up.
both seem to be originals to bg3 but they have pages on the forgotten realms wiki
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Arabella
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mol
honestly not much more if any more info than what you would have been able to learn from the game
in short, no, as the characters are still fairly new and even in present day toril i am not sure they would have grown up, probably in their teens at most if i had to guess given their ages in bg3, granted Mol does not seem to have an age listed but presumably she is of similar age to arabella and her other friends that she had tried to convince to join her in a life of crime
presumably they would only be like 7 years older anyway
Hey i asked about the underdark in dnd newcomers and they redirwcted me here
Honestly i don't get the lowerdark and stuff
RQ what's the lowest-level devil that makes deals?
Do the Outlands have an Underdark?
Imps I think
its the layer under the upper dark
yeah its kinda like the ocean
They have caves, but not an Underdark, strictly speaking. It’s a metaphysical place of divine realms.
what deals will they be making? what can they even offer up? or maybe people offer them deals and they become imdebted to people
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“A lesser devil can offer any or all of the following: up to 500 gp of coins, art or gems; and uncommon magic item; loyal service not exceeding nine years”
Your soul or the souls of others, or various services
Mammon and those that serve him are known to provide favors in exchange for large sums of wealth. Entirely possible that he bankrolls a lot of the lesser monetary deals.
and at least in some continuities, like that of bg3 that includes basically breaking into other devil's places XD
given the yugoloths only value material wealth, and both demons and devils both have lots of gold and gems lying around to pay them, given they are basically immortal and been around for a long time, they likely have had plenty of opportunities to gain it one way or another
@light cradle An Imp
There's a reason certain platoons and batallions of devils will bring chests of gold onto the battlefield
yeah, a reminder incase the yugoloths are getting second thoughts and or to try to bribe any hired by the other side, is a bit hilarious how these otherwise useless targets can potentially be rather important in the given fight
So would an Archfey or Genie be more likely to create a warlock pyramid scheme?
Up to you and your DM, but any patron who wants money will try whatever they think is the best way to generate money
oh its not about money, its a pyramid scheme of warlocks
my point stil stands then
Up to you and your DM
Cuz really, i can see any patron having such a system
A patron gives someone power, that person then gets strong enough to give more people power with the condition that they will only gain more power if they get more people wrapped in and any power they'd get goes to the original warlock which also gets to the patron
It would be more of the original warlock's doing which then benifits the patron
Again, thats more of a thing to ask your DM
Multi level pact marketing?
Oh just read the above, lol. Kind of a funny concept, I might run it with some patron.
I think all of them can, just with varying levels of power
So they actually went back in time for the Greyhawk setting in the 2024 DMG? Wasn't it in the 590s by the end of 2nd edition, and now it's 576?
maybe, remember dnd has multiple continuities, after all we did get a thing using the heroes of the realm to give us an idea what year it would be on earth in relation to present day in settings like the forgotten realms for example
how do people dress in neverwinter?
like, how much does the heat from the river actually heat it's surroundings?
We also know that Oerth's time doesn't pass at the same rate relative to other worlds.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Neverwinter#Geography can likely extrapolate from here
else i believe Ed Greenwood has one video on his youtube channel regarding neverwinter, he might have covered some of what you are looking for there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955ziTNUmX8&t=65s
I was mainly trying to come up with an outfit design for my character who's from there. Based on the few images of people I could find in the article, it doesn't look like they have to dress too warm
well it is rather warm despite it's location as ed covers in his video do to the volcanic waters of the nearby river
it is depicted in honor among thevies so that could give you some ideas based on that depiction
How did the chardalyn become demonic in ice wind Dale?
Is it Demonic?
The chardalyn dragon description makes it seem that way
I think its just the Chardalyn itself being suffused with demonic magic and not the dragon itself being demonic
576 CY was the original start date of the World of Greyhawk campaign setting, so seems like it's a reboot. Looking at the map and some of the info, it's basically 1e Greyhawk rebooted, not post Greyhawk Wars.
Yeah, so how did the chardalyn become demonic?
Do you have the book?
No
Likely heading into spoilers territory
The dragon itself wasn't demonic, its the material itself in origin (i dont think thats spoilers but feel free to correct me)
also icewind dale rime of the frost maiden has a side bar that says it was do to Crenshinibon aka the crystal shard
more than a hundred years before that adventure
it was basically tainted by the magic of the shard which had fused with the surrounding ice thus creating the substance
that basically sums it up without spoiling it or at least directly quoting the sidebar
also given what is known about the crystal shard, i don't think it would be accurate to say that it is demonic, definitely evil, but not demonic
evil, not demonic
to my knowledge only thing demonic about the crystal shard is the Balor demon Wendonai wants it and attempted to obtain it bringing him into conflict with drizzt
Since some vampires need permission to get into a building. What if someone’s breaking into the building and they let you in. Does it count as being let it?
Thats not really a lore question
Sorry. What would that fall under if anything at all?
more of a #dm-discussion or #dnd-rules question
Okay
Can Lady of Pain use her powers outside Sigil? More specifically can she flay people who worship her in say material plane?
she to my knowledge never leaves sigil, but far as i am aware if you try to worship her, no matter where you are in the multiverse, you will start to feel like your skin is slowly being peeled off you, until you stop honestly far as i know nothing in the newer lore contradicts this most that know of her know better than to try worshiping her https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lady_of_Pain#Worshipers
heck historically at least from what i know and have heard, her shadow passing over a construct, who normally can't feel pain, caused it to feel agonizing unbelievable pain, so yeah she has quite the potent deterrent
there is no situation where she would ever be outside of sigil, and literally one reason people know better than to worship her would just find their skin flayed off, with 0 other context and there is no reason to believe this would be confined to sigil, if you try to worship her like one would worship a typical deity, you are gunna be in a lot of pain very soon if not loose your skin
Gotcha
Do we discuss Eberron here? If so, what is a Revenant Blade?
There are very few beings capable of being patrons that deal with something as mundane as coin. Their desires are usually bigger than wanting money.
A revenant blade is the double-bladed scimitar carried by the Tairnadal elves (use wood elf stats) of Valenar. It is a weapon they hold great reverence for because it's such a part of their warrior culture. If they see anyone who is not a tairnadal, they are going to either demand the sword back, or demand the bearer prove worthy to carry the blade in a duel where the winner keeps the blade.
Consider it like the silver greatsword carried by the githyanki warriors, but without the potential that they will never stop trying to kill you and take the blade back, only that you will need to prove you are worthy of the weapon.
So, if you are building a non-Tairnadal carrying a reverent blade, your character needs to have a VERY good reason to have such a weapon.
Revenant blade is the feat that the above mentioned elves who follow in the footsteps of an ancestor who used the double-bladed scimitar would take. Tairnadal elves choose a legendary ancestor and try to replicate their heroic deeds
or at least probably stay away from Tairnadal settlements, cuz they will probably give you the stink eye or worse
also seems that the term revenant in the blade's name likely comes from the term of the followers of their faith https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Spirits_of_the_Past
So if a Paladin breaks their oath, why do they still have magic?
IIRC, either they have to regain the favor of their god to regain their abilities (usually if they broke the oath on accident or for the greater good) or they have to become an oath breaker Paladin (if they purposefully broke their oath for a bad reason)
Gentle reminder that paladins also have magic regardless of their oaths
but h o w ?
A paladin’s innate magic is like pure metal ore, their oaths are what refine them.
Does an oath permanently alter their bodies to where after being lost they keep remnants of power?
imo I don't think it makes sense for the Paladin to be able to disrespect the source of their magic and then continue to abuse that source of magic without any side effects
Per the new DMG in regards to gods and divine magic:
For game purposes, wielding divine power isn’t dependent on the gods’ ongoing approval or the strength of a character’s devotion. The power is a gift offered to a select few; once given, it can’t be rescinded.
Divine magic isn’t lent, it’s given. A paladin breaking their oaths wouldn’t mean they love their abilities, but probably that wouldn’t be given any more until they atone.
Hmmm, so would a paladin technically be able to break their oath and then gain more power of their own doing?
From a narrative perspective, I find it unlikely that they’d be able to gain more power until they either atone or find a new cause to follow.
Unless they were to multiclass but that doesn't exactly count
Right, you can’t multiclass with a class you already have
not what I meant but ok
yes
is kind of why oathbreakers exist https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Oathbreaker
most that break their oath will either seek forgiveness or become an oathbreaker to my knowledge
or at least from my understanding, with the way paladin magic works, taken, as in 5e last i checked it comes from your conviction and belief in your oath that gives you your magic as a paladin, as they do not need to serve a deity necessarily, even settings like the realms
far as i know none of the 2024 materials have changed that, i could be wrong though as i have not read and comitted it to memory nearly as many times as the older 5e materials
Paladin spellcasting comes from their force of will
Eh, this is setting dependent. In some settings paladins power derives solely from a deity or group of deities, and the oaths they take in their name.
Im going to choose to ignore that little bit of the DMG TBH.
not really the place for that
Forgot what channel I was in for a second TBH.
It's also not something that simply comes from the dmg. It's been been present in the lore of the game for decades
Not the place to discuss it, I got turned around with all the channels here, but I prefer a different flavour of paladin.
Yeah it’s almost always been the case, they just decided to make it clearer in the new DMG
What has always been the case are both examples where a divine caster needs to retain faith/adhere to an oath to keep/maintain/expand their power, and examples where such devotion is not required. Which method one uses is entirely a setting and/or DM dependent feature.
Clerics praying for spells, for example.
From the AD&D PHB:
The cleric revives his spells as insight directly from his deity (the deity does not need to make a personal appearance to grant the spells the cleric prays for), as a sign of and reward for his faith, so he must take care not to abuse his power lest it be taken away as punishment.
And in 3.5e:
Clerics do not acquire their spells from books or scrolls, nor do they prepare them through study. Instead, they meditate or pray for their spells, receiving them through their own strength of faith or as divine inspiration.
takes a new oath and multiclasses 2014 and 2024
How likely do you think it is for sune to bless somebody on a whim
This is not a lore question. It depends entirely on the context and your DM.
I think it fits best here since Some people might know more about the God and might be able to tell me more about why they would or would not bless someone on a whim
There is no lore pertaining to how likely it is that a god might do anything. It's an entirely subjective question that relies on context and DM fiat. Any answer we might give might different than whatever decision is made at your table.
You can read about the things Sune likes her followers to do here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Sune#Worshipers
In the DND world who's is the creator god of humanity? What is there pantheon like?
As far as I know, none of the established settings have a creator deity of humans, except for a brief mention in the 3.5 BoVD.
There are a lot of pantheons primarily worshipped by humans.
So where did humans come from?
which one? there are many worlds, and far as i know there is no creator deity of humans and if there was they are not named and long since dead from what i have heard on the subject
same as they did irl
not every race was created from scratch by a deity, dnd has things like natural life, evolution, ect...
and some creation myths are just that and are not always fact
Forgotten realms
also human pantheons are often made up of already existing gods, they are not exclusive to humanity
in the era known as the days of thunder, the would be humans were either still primates or just more or less cave men
is basically the same idea behind how we irl evolved from primates, presumably humanity across the multiverse came about the same way, they just on worlds except for earth had to deal with things like magic, dragons, fantastical creatures, gods, giants, ect... as just a fact of life
though technically it is simply unknown, we just seemingly came about naturally on most worlds in the dnd multiverse, including abeir-toril in the forgotten realms
The first recorded ancestors of humans are noted to have appeared during the Days of Thunder, when the creator races and their kind ruled. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Days_of_Thunder
Other than Loth, who are the "Dark gods" of the forgotten realms?
Many
by dark gods, what exactly do you mean? Evil gods?
Yeah, like your chaos gods of the DND world
FR right? THats a whole bunch
All of the Orc pantheon, most of the drow pantheon, the Duergar pantheonm, the Kuo Toa's gods, Umberlee, Cyric, the Dead Three, etc etc
and then every race has their own evil gods, then theres Tiamat, Asmodeus, theres a lot
is there any relevant connection between Oghma and Vecna?
I am asking in the context of playing a cleric of Oghma in a campaign composed of several modules connected to Vecna such as Vecna Eve of Ruin.
My fighter needs more fighter! I can ranger, but I could ranger more.
technically the dead 3 are the ones actually knonw in the lore as the dark gods, such a term does not really to my knowledge otherwise get used
Yes, there could be, if Oghma was a Greyhawk god and Vecna was a Forgotten Realms god. In the Greyhawk setting the worship of Vecna is illegal on penalty of death. Thus the Cult of Vecna has to be creative in both recruitment and in places of worship. Initiates into the cult are lied to, told they are being inducted into a church of a god of knowledge or magic, like Wee Jas or Bocoob. It is only when they prove how far they are willing to go to gain knowledge, to learn someone's secret, drawing blood and taking a life are they told the truth of whose church they are being inducted into.
The cult always works in secret.
not really, as they are gods from different worlds and don't really directly deal with one another, Oghma is from the forgotten realms and Vecna is from greyhawk
Asmodeus, the King of the Nine Hells, Bane, Myrkul, Bhaal, Kyuss, the Worm that Walks, Cyric, Tharizdun
but vecna is known to have followers on toril and they infiltrate other faiths or pay lip serivice to those gods as a sort of cover
Bane, Myrkul, Bhaal yes, the others not so much, at least in so far as the term "Dark Gods" actually being attributed to them
outside of those 3, the term would be just using in a broad more general sense that would more accurately be evil gods
if I had to pick someone to be a chaos god in D&D, you want Tharizdun, the god of madness and annhilation. His worshippers are insane, driven to destroy as they hope to free their god from his prison and watch as he destroys creation itself.
He is literally the end of everything.
this is no one direct correlation dnd and warhammer treat gods drastically different
I dunno, I feel like the guy running the Nine Hells counts as a "dark god." Certainly an evil god.
if you wanted to look for similar deities that could serve as sort of stand ins, look to what they are gods of, you know what is in their portfolio
as i linked earlier, literally the term "Dark Gods" in the forgotten realms is specifically used to reffer to the dead 3 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dead_Three
There are the demons. They are not gods, but they are evil, chaotic and have worshippers
Sorry, thought we were talking dark gods in more a broad evil god sense.
Asmodeus is known as "Supreme Master of the Nine Hells, Lord of Nessus, The Lord of the Ninth, The Lord Below, The Lord of the Ruby Rod, Lord of Lies, Prince of Evil, God of Evil, The Cloven, Old Hoof and Horn, The Great Devil, The Archfiend, The Raging Fiend, The Reigning Serpent, and The Rebellious One"
Not when I run it. I don't do multiverse. Too complicated.
Still a god in Forgotten Realms.
that might have been meanbeaver1's intent, but the term is not really used in dnd because there are just drastically more gods that exist that are evil or selfish but have no relation to one another, is why the two terms don't really translate outside of that alternate name for the dead 3 especially in the forgotten realms specifically at least to my knowledge
does not change the facts of what is
Fair
this channel is for the published continuity, you know what is put in official published material and makes up those continuities, one's own games would be outside of that scope and would not be bound to it
eh, honestly is pretty easy is literally why your own games are basically technically canon in the broad sense
granted some things are just harder for some to wrap their heads around than others so i understand if you find it too complicated
Difficult to plan, really. I don't need my party jumping through every setting.
if you have watched rick and morty or are otherwise familiar with the concept of multiverse theory it is really just an expansion of that in regards to dnd with the planes of existance being the main focus instead of universes or timelines
they only really can do that if you as dm give them the tools and means to do that which are by no means common
is not like the average person on toril can just go to say greyhawk or vice versa
I have. But how may times has the multiverse been done right? Why complicate Forgotten Realms with Wildemount lore, or Eberron with Ravnica things?
ravnica is seperate
and eberron is a self contained cosmology rarely associated with the rest of the multiverse, it does not really complicate things so much as it expands on it
not everything has to be factored in all at once, if you are in a given setting the focus is that setting
you knopw what I meant
is just the fact is regardless if the characters know it or not there is more than just the world beneath their feet, heck technially if there was no multiverse that would mean no planes of existence as that is the most often referred to part of the dnd multiverse rather than just another campaign setting
but i digress we are drifting a bit off topic so i will leave it at that
Hello me again. Trying to homebrew a mammoth Loxodon race that pesters my worlds equivalent to Russia. In DND lore what's Loxodon society like? How is it structured?
Theyre usually memebers of the guild of ravnica called Selesnya, which focuses on a balance bewteen civilization and nature in a perfect harmony
Whats Ravnica?
Ravnica is the plane theyre from
Its more of an Magic the Gathering lore thing, since Ravnica is MtG
can a lvl 2 spell scroll hold a upcasted cantrip or lvl 1 spell?
Upcasted cantrip?
thats not a lore thing
You mean like a cantrip that is stronger due to being a higher level?
Yeah let's keep things lore focused. Mechanical rule questions can go in #dnd-rules
oh shit wrong channel
I’m thinking about making a lawyer (warlock) character, and I know that a devil deals with convoluted laws and order when making deals and such. Do fae deal with laws, or any similar system in which an investigative lawyer would thrive?
Upo to you and your DM
I often like those larger than life characters that, despite being human ( or humanoid), have somehow surpassed their limits or tapped into some well of power that give them almost godlike strength, for lack of a better word.
Obviously, can't make a character like that mechanically without major homebrew or breaking game.
But if I wanted to make a character with that kind of idea in mind, what classes, and/or species, in D&D lore could have that kind of potential?
Again, not the channel for that
In the forgotten realms at least
Again, specifics of a warlock and their patron is something up to the player and DM to make
small question. Why are chromatic dragons always evil
Evil by their very core nature as an entity
It’s built into their essence and why metallics are split from them between bahamut and Tiamat
Goblin lore is far less extensive
3.5 draconomicon and 5e Fiazbans are the dragon lore books you wanna look for
Notably chromatic dragons aren't always evil in every setting
theyre typically evil because theyr are the creations of Tiamat
I guess this is a lore question. Why do evil humanoids killed by shadows not become shadows?
Dark Disposition. From the darkness, the shadow reaches out to feed on living creatures’ vitality. They can consume any living creature, but they are especially drawn to creatures untainted by evil. A creature that lives a life of goodness and piety consigns its basest impulses and strongest temptations to the darkness where the shadows hunger. As a shadow drains its victim’s strength and physical form, the victim’s shadow darkens and begins to move of its own volition. In death, the creature’s shadow breaks free, becoming a new undead shadow hungry for more life to consume.
Okay so its just a preference. Thanks.
Anyone an expert on the history of the layout of Baldur's Gate?
Other than location, and one's in Descent Into Avernus, and the other's in Baldur's Gate 3, what's the difference between the Open Hand Temple in Rivington and the Shrine of Suffering in the Lower City? They're both holy grounds for the followers of Illmater, the god of suffering, right?
I personally don't know the difference between those two specifically, but I imagine they serve similar purposes, just in different locations. Housing and caring for the sick and in need, providing healing services, food, and shelter, etc.
how do half elves work in the soul recycling thing?
Half-elves do not have elfin spirits, so they do not normally reïncarnate as elves or vice versa.
This lore is really only explored in 5e Mordenkainen's tome of foes, and it's a philosophical question:
From the elven perspective, the birth of a half-elf represents a disruption of the natural order of reincarnation. Elves in different communities and across different worlds have numerous ideas about the nature of the disruption, because the gods have never given an answer that seems applicable to all. The soul of a half-elf might be an elf soul whose connection to the Seldarine has been weakened, or it might be a true elf soul trapped in the body of a half-elf until death, or the soul that lies beneath one's elf-like visage might be human.
-page 38, MToF
With much of MToF lore being of uncertain canonicity, as it's now a legacy book and later lore doesn't always match, this one along with some other changes to elven lore done in MToF is a bit sceptical.
it is unclear and a bit of a debate among elves far as i am aware from what we were ever told in published materials
and given that, it is likely something ment to be left up to interpretation
What can a Hexblade patron be besides the Raven Queen?
Anything that can make magic weapons (or has relations to the shadowfell)
wait fr?
Could a litch be a hexblade patron?
a god of bonds?
a god of blacksmiths?
The lore of Hexblade is rather vague. It's a powerful entity from the Shadowfell. That's about it. It might be the Raven Queen, but it could be anyone your DM wishes it to be.
the raven queen is basically just an example and a popular one at that especially within the forgotten realms
Ive done a powerful mimic, but thats a topic for your DM
Two questions:
What are some typical servants of a white dragon? Besides Mephits and kobolds
What are some typical servants of Baphomet? Besides cultists and minotaurs
some giants turn to baphomet as shown in bigby's
and fizban's did introduce dragon followers
Animated Breath is a pretty good option imo. A group of yetis. One could partner with a bheur hag whose minions could, by extention, serve the dragon.
ooh
Is realmspace and astral plane same thing? Which one is the space for toril?
Realmspace is specifically the wildspace system for toril
Wildspace systems are material plane but connect to the astral plane
So if I fly out of toril, I'd be in the realmspace, still in the material plane, but it has ways to go to astral plane, right?
they are not the same thing
realmspace is basically the outerspace system of the forgotten realms, the astral plane bridges that with that of other settings
yes at least in the way spelljamming in 5e works and the way the cosmos is structured
Sorta yeah but nah in a complex way
Realmspace is, as folks said, the specific name for Wildspace of the Forgotten Realsm setting, where Toril is
The Astral Plane is the umbrealla term for both the Astral Sea and Wildspace (which is where the Astral Sea overlaps the Material Plane)
So it's kinda a venn diagram of terms
Can some one explain to me the weave?
A book from bg3 Magic of the Weave describes it pretty well
"It is an essential element of the universe. It runs through everything in unseen threads. It is what makes magic possible. It is also, though I will not go into further detail here, the goddess Mystra herself."
"The Weave isn't magic, precisely. Rather, it is the raw material from which magic is woven, not entirely unlike how a collection of threads is shaped and formed into a garment. Those with the necessary talent and skill can manipulate the Weave and perform magic by casting spells."
What would planar realignment (in the Outlands) look like to someone in the location being subject to realignment?
I don't think there's any official description as to what it looks like, but I imagine that (seeing as Planescape is a setting where portals are featured so prominently) a massive portal opens near or above the realm in question and is absorbed by the plane it "over-aligned" with.
far as i know that is mainly if not only related to gate towns, the whole idea of "over-aligned" or becoming too in line with the respective plane
In Planescape, cosmic realignment explicitly states to realms, not just the Gate-Towns
So a realm that isn't already specifically an off-branch to one of the Outer Planes could, conceivably, be absorbed if they align too much with one of the Outer Planes.
Save for the domains of gods, realms in the Outlands are subject to a planar phenomenon known as cosmic realignment. When a location embodies the nature of one of the Outer Planes too closely, that plane absorbs the location and its inhabitants, restoring balance to the Outlands and expanding that plane.
I am going way back in D&D history but does anyone remember Modules?
People will still refer to adventures as modules.- Also, not a lore question. Maybe you meant #dnd-elder-editions ?
Do dragons look differently based on alignment, I heard good chromatic dragons start looking more metallic over time
And vice versa
not necessarily
they can, but usually that sort of thing is do to certain energies such as thoes of an outer plane which would also influence it's alignment
Aw I wanted to see a friendly blue dragon who's scales reflect the sun
any specific alignment does not nessissarily mean friendly
dragons in dnd, at least true dragons such as blue dragons, are intelligent beings with personalities, flaws, ect... just like any other character
Lorewise dragons were 'colour coordinated for your convenience' with the specific alignments being Evil for chromatic (Led by Tiamat), Good for metallic (Led by Bahamut) and Neutral for gems (Led by Sardior- least in FR).
However that has always been exceptions to this, and Dragons do have free will. You have in 3.5 Gildenfre a Gold Dragon (so normally Lawful good), who was a True Neutral druidic dragon.
Miirym (The Sentinel Wyrm) was a neutral silver dragon in 3.5.
Council of Wyrms, 2e had this:
There are essentially three different types of rogue dragons. The first is simply those who go against their basic nature. A good-aligned chromatic dragon or a metallic dragon with evil tendencies are both considered rogues. This type is rarely tolerated within its own community, but the dragons may find a place in another dragon domain
(...)
Sometimes a dragon simply goes against the nature and tendencies of its type. This new attitude toward life can be nothing more than a slight variation, as when a dragon remains good, neutral, or evil but shifts from lawful to chaotic or vice versa. A more radical shift, as when a dragon changes from good to evil or neutral, causes much more tension within the community. Situations that create this type of rogue include a radical change in beliefs or a new outlook on life, a traumatic experience of some type, deeply felt rebellion against the clan establishment, or the difficult weighing of options in order to make a conscious choice. A significant number of dragons go rogue to protest the attitudes and agendas put forth by their leaders. In most clans, if a dragon disagrees with its lord, it can suffer alone in silence or voice its protests-and be silenced permanently. A better solution to some is to strike out on their own, becoming dragons without clans rogues.
Now Council of Wyrms was it's own setting, even if it used much of the core lore. Still no explanation as to why one group is often X or Y, but that does seem to be tied to Bahamut and Tiamat still.
In 5e, you have this in the MM (2014) under alignment p.7:
The alignment specified in a monster's stat block is the default. Feel free to depart from it and change a monster's alignment to suit the needs of your campaign. If you want a good-aligned green dragon or an evil storm giant, there's nothing stopping you.
yeah miirym, she was particularly cruel from what i recall compared to the average silver dragon
definitely did not get better in undeath
although shes a bit more "tame"
Anyone knowledgeable on dragons
What about dragons do you wanna know
So how smart are dragons exactly like when are they more then a dangerous beast but a creature with human intelligence or are they always like that
Depends on the type of dragon
All dragons are generally as smart as or smarter than humans
Chromatics, Metalllics, and Gems? All smart as, if not smarter than most humanoids, especially the older they are. Exception being White Dragons, who are more primal and animalistic
Okay thanks
i mean white dragons aren't animal intelligence, they have an INT of 8. So still sentient, just not bright
I did say more animalistic
Also, according to the MM
Primal and Vengeful. White dragons lack the cunning and tactics of most other dragons. However, their bestial nature makes them the best hunters among all dragonkind, singularly focused on surviving and slaughtering their enemies.
Theyre described as bestial
true, but I did want that to be clear because a lot of times when I see white dragons they are played with animal intelligence
Im assuming theyre not using Apex predator strats
Cuz really, a white dragon is just the apex predator of any place its in
Being a dragon must lowkey suck
nah, its great
Youre a powerful being, often surrounded by your hoard, and often with servants
I mean yeah but like what does a dragon do in the free time
Grow their hoard, hunt, pursue whichever hobby they develop, expand their territory
If youre a metallic or gem dragon, youre most likely living life under a humanoid disguise
Dragons are just as nuanced as any other person
Mmmm I see I kinda just imagine a dragon as some person who just sits on there hoard all day and just does some less than convenient things to other people
For example, SIlver dragons
Friends of the Small Races. Silver dragons enjoy the company of other silver dragons. Their only true friendships outside their own kin arise in the company of humanoids, and many silver dragons spend as much time in humanoid form as they do in draconic form. A silver dragon adopts a benign humanoid persona such as a kindly old sage or a young wanderer, and it often has mortal companions with whom it develops strong friendships.
Hoarding History. Silver dragons love to possess relics of humanoid history. This includes the great piles of coins they covet, minted by current and fallen humanoid empires, as well as art objects and fine jewelry crafted by numerous races. Other treasures that make up their hoards can include intact ships, the remains of kings and queens, thrones, the crown jewels of ancient empires, inventions and contraptions, and monoliths carried from the ruins of fallen cities.
At least the average one
They very much have varied lives, even within the same dragon type
Again, theyre as nuanced as any humanoid
I get it thanks again for your time
Do gods hear you when you say their name
more so their brain is hardwired for logic and causes them to take many things literally, thus intangable concepts are hard for them to grasp, but are by no means dumb
yes
and everything with in a certain radius for a period of time which varies on their status as a deity
same goes for their holy symbols and acts that occur in relation to their portfolio
8 int is a lot more than sentient
its about as intelligent as your average cleric/paladin/ranger/warlock/fighter/bard/barb/rogue/monk
Sapient is the correct term for human like
8 is below average, but that’s it. It’s not low or actually dumb
Most Dragons are brilliant however. So much so they can’t really be compared with humans on average.
Take a Red Dragon, a newly hatched Red Dragon Wyrmling is already more intelligent, stronger willed, and has more force of personality than the average human adult.
Not massively but this is before they have even begun to mature, and they are already better put together mentally than the average adult in their first year of life.
and even then, they are comparable to an uneducated adult commoner, so true dragons at least have a head start in that department, only some lesser dragons such as the wyvern that are the more animalistic sort of draconic creature, but other lesser dragons like the pseudo dragons are similarly intelligent to their true dragon kin
i feel AJ pickett describes their intelligence and behavior particularly well in his lore video on white dragons from a few years ago https://youtu.be/49F6J9a-Tnw?si=LO-HAdWZyGuKkJeE&t=508
honestly mentally, i at least, see them as being fairly similar to lizardfolk
What’s the appeal of the forgotten realms compared to something like greyhawk?
Not really a lore question. It's a matter of preference.
Both are older settings with lots of lore. Both are a mix of low and high fantasy. Greyhawk is the original main setting, the Realms came later and became the main setting. Some gods came over. Spells, too. The Realms have had more development in terms of years but also more writers adding their own things, so more cooks in the kitchen so to speak.
ooh, yes, I remember watching it! Really good video, thats what i use as a basis
so dnd and MTG are connected, in MTG Dominaria is the center of the multiverse and in DnD its Sigil. so which is more center?
The MtG multiverse is in no way connected to the D&D multiverse.
Both are wholly independently the centers of their respective multiverses.
Strixhaven is present in both games
It’s not part of the same setting. Just the same game system.
Not quite
MtG stuff does exist within the dnd multiverse canonically. Planeswalkers are specifically referenced in a few spots, with a more specific line even being (slight paraphrase) "in some corners of the multiverse they are called Planeswalkers"
The degree to which everything is canon is not stated
With dnd, assume dnd first for everything
For example Strixhaven does seem to assume the weave and doesn't mention 'colours' of magic. Colours of magic were mentioned in the MTG 'Planeshift' PDFs that are.... semi-official homebrew, but do provide a good option of how to make MTG lore work with D&D mechanics.
See, this bit from Strixhaven:
As described in the Player's Handbook, magic suffuses all existence in the worlds of D&D. In the Forgotten Realms, scholars describe the fabric of magic as a Weave that allows spellcasters to interact with the world's underlying magical reality. In Arcavios, that fabric is ||knotted and tangled in some locations, creating a phenomenon called snarls. ||
(Minor spoilers for the setting)
D&D Theros and D&D Strixhaven are different to MTG Theros and MTG Strixhaven (Same for Ravinica) as some things have to be changed to work for D&D.
Hey, I thought I remembered reading somewhere about an order of clerics or paladins who go to the Fugue Plane to fight Dendar the Night Serpent. They know they'll die but do so to marginally weaken Dendar so that she stays resting in the Fugue Plane.
Couldnt find it on the forgotten realms wiki so I'm not sure where exactly I saw it. Any help would be great
Here in Japan, I am 17 days away from the Winter Solstice. According to the Calandar of Harptos, it would be Nightal 3.
Fun campaign setting idea for those running winter campaigns. Set the year to 1399DR, why? Because Hammar 1, 1400DR is a Full Moon. And cities with temples of Selune would be preparing for their Full Moon Beneficence, the most famous temple being Moonshadow Hall in Yhaunn, Sembia.
*The Beneficence is a monthly event when the church feeds the town's poorest people".
*rich and powerful people like to show their faces at these events.
*It is a new year, and also a new century.
The last time there was a full moon on New Year's day was 1372DR...otherwise known as the "current year" of D&D 3e
not really, it is iffy at best as the cross over dnd adventures were made by the mtg team and not the dnd team nor involved them from what i understand
but the general agreement is the two are separate multiverses, least far as i am aware
Not quite
There is official dnd mtg crossover in the three books (theros ravnica and strixhaven), with mention of planeswalkers in at least one other book, all within the dnd multiverse
The planeshift documents are not official
yeah, we have one official planeswalker in one of the books
Niv mizzet? I mean he wasn’t a planeswalker when ggtr was published and he’s not a ghost yet
No, they don't appear in one of the mtg setting books
(Planeswalkers are however mentioned in at least Ravnica)
i believe that is the setting he comes from
Niv-Mizzet is not (and never has been) a Planeswalker.
he apparently is something in mtg called an avatar which kind of makes him in dnd terms loosely a deity of sorts, mtg in dnd kind of gets weird with trying to translate one to the other
honestly the mgt cross over stuff is kind of a weird complicated subject in general when it comes to lore at least in my opinion
Niv-Mizzet was resurrected as the physical incarnation of the Guildpact. The few actual Ravnican deities we know about are some of the Gruul old gods and the quasideific nephilim.
He’s closer to a greatwyrm with archmage or better wizardry.
well from what i found it describes it in mtg being quote "An Avatar is an aspect or projection of a larger power. Avatars are powerful beings, and while most Avatars are benevolent, many are considered to be evil." at least on their wiki
so maybe closer to a power, you know god like power but not the status, like i said mtg X dnd gets kind of weird
without a second head
He's too big brained
We do have a statblock for pre-avatar Niv-Mizzet. Even “avatar of the Guildpact” Niv-Mizzet is still not on deity level power.
far as i know in dnd you need a second head to do that, like old edition ettin casters
The actual literal gods of Ravnica are barely on par with D&D titans.
yeah their cosmology and power scales are so different is why the cross over stuff gets kind of weird and convoluted to me most of the time, is neat, but can make your brain hurt a bit
Niv-Mizzet is a Dracogenius so he gets special privileges
And as far as I know, all Ravnican clerics are deity-less, as those who might draw on divine power would be Gruul druids.
So I read the 2024 PHB section for orcs and I'm confused. I thought that orcs were basically a race stuck in an eternal dark age of thought and in superstition based of fearful dogma (like an eternal medieval Europe); not settlers travelling from realm to realm.
Aka: Little House on the Prairie: Feywild Edition.
The editions have moved away from playable species' actions or societies being based/prescribed purely on what species they are.
You can still have a tribe of orcs that is warlike and goes on raids, but that's not because they're orcs, that's because they're following some warlord or a bloodthirsty god.
Hi everyone; anyone got any suggestions for where I can get hold of Greyhawk lore? I'm a new DM who's picked up the 2024 DMG, and looking to get some more info on like background of the area, particularly from the perspective of different species'
like the Greyhawk Gazetteer is good, but stuff like 'how prevalent are elves/halflings/dwarves in human cities?' or 'how and when did elves appear on Oerth?' that sort of stuff
The 5e DMG Greyhawk is based off of 1e's Greyhawk (including being set in the same year), so some of the old lore can apply.
You can also check the Wikis. Greyhawk has three- The Great Library of Greyhawk is stll a good sorce, but archieved and no longer being updated, replaced by Grey Particle Wiki, and the newer Fandom Greyhawk wiki, which has received less attention in some places.
There's also the Canonfire and Dragonfoot forums for older lore and the Encyclopedia Greyhakania project originally begun by Jason Zavoda, which has a long index with all sources where something is mentioned so you can look things up further.
Notably some of that lore s now outdated and changed, it being from early AD&D.
Greyhawk barely got anything in 4e, and in 3e it's the Living Greyhawk Gazeteer and journals.
Note as well that essentially all core lore and info from 3e and earlier was Greyhawk Lore.
Which also means you could use 5e core lore as Greyhawk lore. It is the 'standard' setting in that way, with only a rare few 'Greyhawk only, non-core' lore.
thanks for this!
2nd ed or Advanced DnD had a Greyhawk (accessory book) Players Guide, which could also be useful
I’m surprised you even grabbed a definite theme from the 2024 orc description. For me, it really seemed like a big nothing in terms of new themes
I completely understand not wanting to have evil warlike orcs as the norm but like. It’s not like they gave anything in return
All I saw was “they were made by a god and god gave them powers” (big deal most races where made by a god who gave them powers)
The lore from previous versions and editions still exists and you can still use it.
Not really a lore thing, more of a #third-party , #dnd-elder-editions thing
Ok, I'll take my question there. Thank you.
Are there any YT channels that are good to watch to go over DnD lore?
Jorphdan has a few shorter ones as well
It’s almost as if their culture shouldn’t be dictated by their race or something
Fair argument, I’d also excuse it if orcs were mechanically interesting to play
I mean I think even not counting culture most species have a sort of gimmick. A major draw to them. For new orcs, I can’t really find one
Elves are magical, dwarves are stout and tough, tieflings are fiendish, orcs… are kind of survivalists? That’s all I could figure out from their flavor text and mechanics
Yep. Orcs are naturally beefy and hard to put down. Their features reflect that.
Well the Anglo-Saxons and Slavs had different cultures but they were both under the same dark age. So why can't Orcs?
Anglo-Saxons and Slavs are both humans of the same species, just different cultures. Not a great example.
Racial/species traits shouldn’t have anything to do with culture
That’s why the 2024 Dwarf doesn’t have subspecies
I guess. Maybe I’m just pessimistic and don’t find their resilience ability all that good of a way to show it
I'm not arguing about species traits I am talking about how different cultures seperated by land can still experience overall societal issues at the same time. Yes there can be small groups that are oustide of the mess but the overall dark age is still there.
This is a topic better for #dm-world-building and also does not change the fact that your example it was not species or biological traits that determined culture, but having similar environments, histories so on. (Getting into the deep of real life history is also not really on topic for D&D).
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Of the 15 "major" dragon colors inclusive of chromatic, metallic and gem, which is the most inclined toward science, engineering, enchanting magic items and/or the artificer profession?
Any of the Metallics, Gems, or the Deep/Purple Dragons
Gem dragons?
that was never the case for orcs, except maybe one specific setting, the new phb is setting agnostic
neutral aligned psionic dragons with scales like gemstones https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Gem_dragon
the third main family of true dragons. Their scales are more gemlike in appearance, and they all sport psionic powers
interesting
they are the children of Sardior, in the same way that metallics and chromatics are the children of Bahamut and Tiamat respectively https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Sardior
and in 5e at least they go as far as to in most cases appear like their bodies are made of a living version of the gemstone they get their name sake from, and often will have shards of this stuff floating and physically disconnected from their body behind held in place by their innate psionic powers
yea. Amethyst iirc have floating spines on their backs, and their tails are kinda disconnected from the main part
and their breath weapons tend to be of the more exotic damage types, such as force for gravity, thunder for super sonic sounds, necrotic energy, and radiant for concentrated light
in 5e these often seem to be in relation to some or all of their horns, with the likes of the topaz having it from the spines that run along it's head, neck, back, and tail
yeah seems mainly at least in their 5e depiction happen with their horns or spines/spikes be they partially or the whole of it
Ok so you eliminated... 5 of the 15.
All of them are really oriented towards hoarding information alongside their material goods
Being immune to fire would probably be handy for smithing things. A lot of it depends on the personality of the individual dragon.
Eldenser, the Worm Who Hides in Blades, is an amethyst dragon and arguably “artificer adjacent.”
Yeah I wouldn't classify any of the dragons as artificers or scientists in the way we understand those concepts. They can certainly craft magical items if they wanted, but none of the species is particularly interested in such things more than another. Individual dragons, perhaps. But not species.
amethysts are more like a wise sage or scholar and are often cosmic in scale of their thinking, though in the forgotten realms Steel and Crystal dragons are known to serve Gond, god of craft, smithing, and inventiveness, so i would suggest either of them if you are wanting to try to decide on a fitting kind, but as others said it is more so something to attribute to an individual rather than the entire species/family of that kind of dragon
Hi, quick question, in which D&D book can I find as much informations on some plans ?
Do you mean plants?
Ahh, for 5e then Morte's Planar Parade, Sigil and the Outlands and the DMGs might be of use.
If looking for lore from older editions, 'Manual of the Planes' from 4e, 3e and 2e and 2e Planescape setting has a bunch. But their lore might now be out of date for 5e (For examples the Feywild and Shadowfell did not exist before 4e, as they do now)
ok ok thank, I take notes of this, it can be useful for my campaign
The new DMG has some pretty decent info on the planes too. Not as detailed as info from older editions, but still pretty good stuff.
The 2024 DMG has extensive information on the planes
It is both extensive and not as detailed as previous editions. 2e, with the original Planescape books, is most detailed.
You can also get pretty far for free here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmology
Okay back from ranting about orcs, umm... Which D&D race do you think dislikes cheese the most?
Elves
Elves have their own cheeses in many settings.
There is no lore or reason why a species would dislike 1 specific type of food. Again, that would be tied to culture and it's prevalence.
There might be some species that are less inclined towards dairy products containing lactose, such as kobolds and lizardfolk. That'd be a discussion for #dm-world-building as there is no lore for such.
For shadowfell, there is Gloomwrought 4e. And probably Barovia 5e (Curse of Strahd 5e and Ravenloft 5e) (isn't Barovia a demiplane from Shadowplane? Idk)
Hell/ planet Bathor, aside from Manual of Planes 4e, probably can also read Baldurs Gate: Descent into Avernus.
For Abyss... There is Demonomicon 4e. It is pretty fleshed out. At least compared to Manual of Planes 4e
Ahhh, for The Abyss and Hell's lore... It might also be worth it to read Mordekainen's Tome of Foes 5e. At least chapter 1 on Blood of War
Are Yeenoghu's and Baphomet's weapons Artifacts?
to my knowledge we don't know for sure but from what i can gather it would be a reasonable assumption given that we know that orcus' wand is an artifact level magical item and Yeenoghu's 3 headed magical flail known as the Butcher was constructed in part from a thighbone of an ancient god he slew
Speaking of which, Tasha's Demonomicon mentions... The Prince of Lies (cant be bothered to remember to spell his name)'s scepter or something
But to my knowledge, its not in 5e yet. aye?
Not literally, but Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes mentions that the staff is a legendary version of a Staff of Power and Fraz-Urb’luu is still looking for its pieces.
I'm making a character who is a female human divination wizard from Neverwinter who has a chosen name- I am trying to research individuals who were important either in the divination field or specifically famed Neverwintan casters who she might've been inspired by for her own name
Could anyone let me know of some?
well very specific field so very little overlap but one diviner from neverwinter that has some notable history to them is Aldanon https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Aldanon
else there is a list here https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Diviners and while 3 of them are gods, Savras was originally a mortal wizard so you could argue they were pretty significant given he became the faerun god of wizards, divination, fate, and truth, being known as The Lord of Divination https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Savras
else there are two characters who are listed as notable diviners at least in the forgotten realms according to the wiki https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Diviner
else since is for a character you are creating, any further talk may be better suited for #character-discussion
Oh I meant either famous diviners or famous mages from Neverwinter, not necessarily both
Also I figured since we're not actually talking about the character, just about notable people from the past, the lore channel was the right one
also gods are definitely inspiring beings so they work lol
thanks for the links I'm gonna take a look at them
Hello friends
Does anyone remember a monster that was a huge ice elemental but not Cryonax.
not really gonna narrow it down
yeah is a super vague description, but the only other of note from the frostfell besides Cryonax at least that is documented on the forgotten realms wiki https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Vreesar but he is technically more a special individual ice devil
else you may be thinking of one of the specific avatars of Auril https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Auril#Description
likely if so, the Brittle Maiden aka Lady Icekiss, which is basically a 10 foot tall woman made of ice
but i would not call her a monster, she is a goddess and what you would be facing is an avatar ie a physical form she uses as a body and containing a fraction of her full power
Thanks.
Was there an elemental called A living glacier or an ice Elemental of evil ice?
It was huge
There’s the frost giant scion’s cradle?
Like Imix, but ice
It was in an older edition
The Scion/cradle is what made me think of it 🙂
... Frostmaiden?
I appreciate everyone's help. I thought I saved the link to my favorites, but I can't find it. I know that saying Big ice monster isn't that helpful!
living walls were a thing but those are undead in nature
maybe you are thinking of an ice golem? https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_golem
Xixecal
ah, is one of those obscure ones that is not documented on the forgotten realms wiki
Does anyone know if there is any lore on gods making (draconic) monsters/creatures? I have a deity PC, who wants to bring draconic creatures to a world without dragons, but would like to have a frame of reference if/how a deity could do that. I haven't found any deities yet, who made creatures of that int/power
The closest I could think is the existence of half dragons, where through dragon blood or through a ritual, a creature can become partially a dragon. Either that or how drakes are born which is through a ritual of itself with scales and meat
Sounds interesting! Thanks. Do you happen to know th origin of that lore, so I could look it up?
Well, if we talking god-like powers, they can kinda "just do it", think and will them into existence I think.
Or in other words, whatever way you come up with is valid.
This channel is for discussing official D&D lore though - e.g. stuff that official D&D books and publications have presented as lore.
For game mechanics stuff, you can discuss that in #dm-discussion
I think they specifically asked for not cryonax
Which playable race is canonically the strongest?
physically? Muscular wise?
No, power-wise
As a species? none
Any kind of power
you can argue humans because they simply make the largest raw population in most settings by default
not really a lore thing
I was asking lore-wise
for what setting?
It isnt really a lore thing
Forgotten Realms
Ok. Race as a whole or individual basis? Cuz not all humans are even the same faction or interests for example
As a whole, like, biological advantage and stuff
None of them. Every 'biological advantage' 1 race has, another race has one as well
Thanks
Would any god be powerful enough to destroy the Wall of Lost Souls?
Every god canonically agreed to order Kelemvor to keep it when he wanted to take it down. It's his authority to do so technically however so unsure if just raw power can do it
hey is this where can I bone up on warlocks and druids in the forgotten realms? not the mechanics, but the in universe lore.
amd if not here, then were?
This is indeed the location for official D&D lore
o.k. can someone help remind a guy who hasn't played since 3.5 was new, how do warlocks work in universe?
This would be a good place to start: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Warlock_patrons
You may want to start with perusing the Forgotten Realms wiki... yep that place
cool. thanks
I kinda hope we get just a little bit of Lathander-Amaunator lore in the FR guides next year, cuz I’d like to learn how their priests have handled the fact that one god evolved into the other (who was supposed to be dead) and then randomly underwent divine mitosis.
I feel like that would cause a lot of confusion.
not all of it is necessarily that straight forward, heck pretty sure that it was theorized they were the same entity but later editions retconned it which are not necessarily the same thing different editions are effectively separate continuities, some things carry over, others don't or are changed
Do you guys think a succubus, who was bound in hell, would be able to make a deal with a human were they are able to take control of his body for a certain amount of time per day.
I thought I read somewhere that the followers of some deity go to the fugue plane to fight dendar for the soul purpose of weakening her knowing that they'll die during the attempt. Can anyone either remind me the specific details or tell me if im misremembering something?
Im including a cult to dendar in a current campaign
Rhime of the Frostmaiden touches on this a bit. Though idk if that was in the module itself or if it was just my DM riffing off of 5e lore
Nevermind, found it in the wiki 🙂
It's the module itself yeah. In the house of the morninglord there are two priests who bicker about it.
sounds more of a thing for your table specifically as far as i know that is not really something a succubi normally can do, like far as i know nothing like that is talked about in lore at least with succubi specifically
Kinda want them to bring back the Upper Planes counterparts to the archdevils and demon lords, like the Celestial Hebdomad or the Court of Stars. That could help inspire plenty of Celestial Warlocks.
they still exist
they just not have gotten any new lore or anything, but nothing to my knowledge has made it so they no longer exist
I imagine they could make a comeback in the upcoming Forgotten Realms book, but yeah. Unless something is published that removes them, they still exist.
besides most of them likely don't show up cuz they are far beyond the power of mortal adventurers to handle in a fight, which is what basically getting a statblock is largely for, is not like it does not exist if it does not have a statblock
but for all i know they could be including some of them in the upcoming revised monster manual as we know it will have more monsters in it than the 2014 version
Yeah, statblocks are for things PCs can conceivably fight
in a traditional fashion at least, that is why usually the only thing you see stated out in 5e are the avatars of gods and not the gods themself
and i am pretty sure most warlock patrons of any sort are entities that don't have stats yet very much exist even if strictly speaking of published materials
like the raven queen so much so that she got a new setting agnostic lore entry along with some cool new artwork in the 2024 dmg via the lore appendix
I mean, we do have a fair share of demon lords and archfiends with stats, and those are often used as warlock patrons
yeah i know, but for the sake of my example, one that literally is all lore and no statistics, proves the point hense why i used the raven queen, who also happens to be one of my personal faves, like not gunna lie, nine times out of ten when i think of warlock patrons in general my mind always go to her
Not Zargon the Returner? He’s a classic…
He’s pretty common for GOOlocks. Name gets tossed around quite a bit by WOTC too.
He’s got a pretty new (albeit sorta disappointing imo) statblock in 5E too
I think he’s the earliest of the printed GOO patrons, unless you count Cthulhu who’s got him beat by about 60 years.
And one of the very few Mystara references in 5e.
Does the Shadow fell have a sun?
I’ve always described it as having one, since it’s almost a sort of mirror realm to the Material, but I don’t recall that ever being confirmed.
Some parts of Ravenloft, which is in the Shadowfell, have suns, so arguably it has multiple.
Yep, Har’Akir. Ruled by the mummy lord Anhktepot
Kalidnay definitely has a prominent deep red sun.
he not too long ago made a comeback in 5e materials with a statblock
from what i found, the shadowfell itself, does not have a sun or stars, and this tracks as in artwork seems most if not all light seems to be some external light source, the domains of dread don't really apply as they are a specific section of the shadowfell these days that have their own rules as established by the dark powers
so just cuz the domains of dread have suns, it does not mean the shadowfell itself does
“Does a location in the Shadowfell have a sun?” Yes, several.
“Does the Shadowfell have a sun.” No.
Just for the sake of clarity.
the two are distinct, the domains of dread were not always part of the shadowfell, have a direct influence of on each other, they are simply located on the same plane of existance but the domains of dread to my knowledge are self contained in so far they only effect themselves apart from the mist taking people or letting them out, you can wander into the domains from the shadowfell presumably but the two effectively are seperate enough to the domains of dread with suns does not influence the shadowfell as a whole
Oh, I fully agree. I just wanted to summarize an answer to the question.
I don’t know much about dnd lore but what are domains of dread?
They’re demiplanes in the Ravenloft setting that are essentially prisons to the Dark Lords who also run them.
Most famous example is Barovia with Count Strahd
In essence, the Dark Lords are beings who committed such evil that they’re being punished by the Dark Powers. Trapped in a demiplane they have some power over and being tormented for their actions.
And Ravenloft is just an area in shadowfell right?
Pretty much
It’s mostly the name of the setting itself though. Similar to how the Forgotten Realms is the name of a setting, but not really the name of the world/location.
And technically the Domains of Dread extend even beyond the Shadowfell, given Gothic Earth, the world controlled by the malevolent entity (and possible Dark Power) the Red Death.
Yep. There’s a Domain of Dread that extends from Eberron too.
All of that can be explained by the fact that all worlds exist on a single Material Realm, and that the Feywild and Shadowfell are mirrors to the Material.
Kalidnay is likewise not from the same cosmology.
With Gothic Earth, I meant that it is nominally part of the Domains, but in an entirely different plane of existence from Ravenloft.
it is basically a series of demiplanes where the most irredeemable people in the multiverse are basically held prisoner and tortured in their own personal hell that they otherwise rule, their suffering being feed to the mysterious dark powers, but of course they are not allowed to have the one thing they truly desire, in 5e's cosmology this domain is an isolated section of the shadowfell, in terms of the cosmology as it has changed much as the wider cosmos changed
only technically
at least in the 5e cosmology/continuity
in the case of the domains of dread it's other name is literally the name of a specific domain that is more or less the most iconic of them
the city seems to be form the darksun setting but not much info seems to be recorded on it even on the setting's dedicated wiki https://darksun.fandom.com/wiki/Kalidnay
also, i find the reasoning behind the continuity error kind of funny
Always possible that they’re genderfluid, I suppose, like Corellon Larethian or Elminster. Granted it’s originally just a lack of communication betwixt authors and them getting confused by unisex names.
In terms of trying to justify the discrepancy.
Where might I be able to find more lore about the Moonspeakers, the druidic leaders of shifter religious life in Eberron?
I know Exploring Eberron has some info
https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Moonspeakers#References
could always dig up the sources cited as a starting point but from the names alone they seem to mainly be from older editions
which makes sense cuz unless he did so in the stuff he worked on independently from wizards of the coast, they to my knowledge the shifters let alone their culture and such was not given much of a focus so far in 5e
Are there any official settings that use an endonym for the exonym Halfling? I doubt they would refer to themselves based on a human-centric name.
In the FR they call themselves the Hin. Halfling is specifically a pejorative iirc.
Jury is still out on if Talentan is used at all in eberron (as in: the Talenta Plains)
But halfling doesn't seem to be used as a pejorative in the same way there. (People also generally care more about nation than species in Eberron to boot)
Hin is also the term on Mystara.
So, are there any unique and established Celestial beings that could make Warlock pacts with mortals?
Feylocks get patrons like Titania or the Queen of Air and Darkness, Fiendlocks get patrons like Zariel or Orcus, Goolocks get patrons like Hadar or Tharizdun… but who exists in the lore for Celestialocks?
Which setting?
(the easiest suggestion would simply be to look for named examples of the types of creatures listed out for them: so unicorns, empyreans, solars, and ki-rin)
Off the top of my head for something more specific, Eberron had stuff like the Silver Flame and the Undying Court (on top of various more generic celestial type things), and Exandria has Xalicas, Galdric, and the Observer
Exandria's Lost Beacon too
according to forgotten realms wiki while not anyone specific 4 such beings are listed as possible known patrons for such pacts in the forgotten realms https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Celestial_patron#Celestial_Patrons
so while no specific individuals are given, any that meet the requirements described here could fit should they desire to make such a pact with a mortal
Did anyone know who the characters were in the DnD episode of Secret Level? I figure the Dragon is Torm’s dragon
I think they’re all intended to be original characters made for the show
I wish they were all longer man. I really enjoyed most of them
Hopefully there’s a season 2
I think that was a Part 1 episode, that said #dnd-media is probably the better place for talking about it
Is there any lore about how the Sha'sal Khou relates to or feels about ||Prince Orpheus||?
I understand that ||Orpheus'|| rebels are meeting with the Githzerai but I don't know if the Sha'sal Khou are involved in any capacity
they are not connected to him specifically, but the reunification of their people in general https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Sha'sal_Khou
not really as he seems to be specifically introduced in bg3 so he is heavily associated with that specific continuity with him being relevant to any other being questionable at best in terms of an objective sense https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Orpheus#History
That or wanted to have story appropriate Githzerai.
Like most of Laezal’s storyline would have issue with Githzerai—especially the schism with Githyanki—even in terms of “truce against Mindflayer”.
basically there is no concreate lore on how they would feel about him thus is open to interpretation of the dm
though given the goals of it's leader or at least highest ranking known member, if his intentions were learned there may or may not be friction between them, but again there is not much to go off of that is fact rather than something left up to interpretation
honestly there is not much info or lore on the Sha'sal Khou in general compared to other organizations
FINALLY found an official answer for why Corellon's holy symbol is a crescent moon.
An old 2e Dragon Magazine focused on elves says that, like the moon, the elves are ever-changing and yet a stable presence throughout the eons. Though they may wax and wane in power, the children of Corellon will always remain to care for the world, and shine beauty into dark times.
A much more poetic and veiled meaning than Moradin's hammer and anvil symbol, which is astoundingly straightforward... although that seems to be just how dwarves like it 😂
makes sense for the fey nature of the elves and the rigid nature of the dwarves respectively
What Fey creatures would make for good bounty hunters? Wasn't sure where else to ask this.
I mean technically blink dogs are as it notes in the MM they were the reason Displacer beasts are in the material plane as hunters used them
Anyone know what the eye tree in the new dmg is supposed to be?
Can you expand more on that please? Who uses the displacer beasts, and how is this related to blink dogs?
Also I'll take this to the dm discussion then, thanks.
I mean the hunters used blink dogs to drive them out. It's in the description for Displacer beasts iirc
Ok okay cool
Like, is it suggesting the tree is a far realm entity?
Looking at the picture, we have as much information as you do. It might just be a fun idea used for the image. April prime the artist hasn't discussed that image, but if you message her on her socials she might have more insight.
the two basically are natural enemies, the blink dog's teleportation messing with the displacer beast's displacement ability if memory serves
assuming you mean the one on page 35, it is hard to say as based on the description it is just an example relating to perception checks cuz genuinely to me it looks like they are large flowers that could be mistaken for eyes, though that may be do to the artstyle
else no real indication if it is suppose to be anything specific, the only potential clue is the aberrations in the artwork with them but they are ones that are not necessarily associated with the far realm despite their classification
i believe AJ Pickett went into detail on the connection in either his video on the displacer beast, blink dogs, or both
Sounds cool and makes sense lore wise. But its just funny to me cause the displacer beast could potentially kill the blink dog in just one round. CR 3 vs CR 1/4
I'll look up that video
CR means very little in that regard
plus blink dogs are typically in packs or are partnered with another creature
so is not like it is a 1 on 1 head on fight you are taking mechanics too seriously which lore wise has drastically less influence
Yeah but looking at the displacer's attack, multi btw, it could kill with just above average attacks
Yeah the pack thing makes sense
plus some of the CR they don't often take into account the creature's lore and behaviors, like the Quaggoth for example
a proper pack of them is drastically more dangerous than their final cr for a single one would suggest
as normally you are not just gunna encounter a lone quaggoth
like that would be an extremely abnormal situation to my knowledge
To be honest, unless its a pack of 4 or more blink dogs, my money is still on the displacer beast.
Is there a better topic to discuss this kind of match off? Don't wanna derail this one.
my guess either #dnd-discussion or idk maybe #dm-world-building would be my guess?
Nah I decided I don't care enough lol
There's a guy on YouTube that dies these kind of match ups in game. Wonder if he's done this
How well known is the pantheon lore? Like is the story of Shar and Selune being the oldest deities and being separated once their daughter wanted life and all that something syou find in a history book, something you learn at school, or something that is revealed only the most faithful?
somebody save me some research, Goblins do have a written language right?
Yes, although they use the dwarvish script to write it.
o.k.
hey, whats the most promonet ancient lanague used to extra-planar beings of bliss? like unicorn and angles and stuff?
That'd be celestial.
got it.
thanks
strange question, but what does Celestial look like?
Never mind, found it.
thanks anyway
hey, how are the gods of the mind flayers decribe? like what plan do they belong to again? I know, but I can't think of the verbige for some reason.
They're called Illsensine. The FR wiki has quite a good entry on it: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Ilsensine
thanks man.
As for planes, mindlayers are associated most with the Far Realm.
There’s also Thoon, although Thoon seems to be more philosophy than deity.
I believe there was Ilvaash as well, though he was a godlet rather than a god
Yeah, though Ilvaash is a fraction of Illsensine iirc.
I think he was spat out by her or somehow splintered off but yeah
he was a discarded piece
And this one god of knowledge called Maanzecorian, “The Philosoflayer.”
He got fricking IMPLODED by Orcus.
well in the forgotten realms at least most goblins can't read or write, so most of their language is spoken presumably, any writing is likely from abnormal members or other goblinoids such as hobgoblins https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_language
also the script depends on the time of said writtings as while they first were using Dethek script, the same the dwarves use, https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dethek they have by the late 15th century switched to Thorass alphabet https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Thorass_alphabet
arguably via misconceptions though as mindflayers are not necessarily always associated with the far realm, depending on their origins and the fact that at one point they were even changed by traveling into it, when they came back out they started spreading the word of Thoon
far as we know they are both, Thoon is Thoon, we are never really given much more beyond that https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Thoon
canonically he is either a deity, other entity, or philosophy, which nobody knows and are all equally valid
what ever he truly was Thoon was able to grant or otherwise its disciples were able to use powers relating to the evil and war domains, giving some credibility seemingly to being a deity even if only slightly
Thoon was introduced as a narrative element of unknown origin to create a sense of mystery and was never supposed to have a definitive meaning.
iirc, that was the name of the greek giant meant to slay the fates
How many planes are there?
Depends on the setting, but the Great Wheel cosmology tends to have (I believe) 16
if you count demiplanes, infinitity effectively
It's quite a lot. Even if you count just the countable ones:
Inner Planes
- Material
- Feywild
- Shadowfell
- Elemental (and Paraelemental)
- Ice
- Air
- Ash
- Fire
- Magma
- Earth
- Ooze
- Water
Transitive Planes
- Ethereal
- Astral
Outer Planes
- Abyss
- Acheron
- Arborea
- Arcadia
- Beastlands
- Bytopia
- Carcery
- Elysium
- Gehenna
- Hades
- Limbo
- Mechanus
- Mount Celesita
- Nine Hells
- Outlands
- Pandemonium
- Ysgard
Universal Planes
- Positive
- Negative
So about 32, which may contain multitudes of worlds each.
And that's just what 5e has established as main lore. Previous editions had more:
The Positive Quasielemental Planes
- Steam
- Lightning
- Radiance
- Mineral
The Negative Quasielemental Planes
- Ash
- Dust
- Salt
- Vacuum
Outside of the Great Wheel Cosmology:
- Far Realm (also an established thing in 5e)
- Region of Dreams
- Plane of Mirrors
- Plane of Wood
- Temporal Energy Plane
Eberrons 13 planes (in additional to it's material)
Where exactly do Fey go when they die? Is there any dnd lore from any edition that goes into detail what happens when they die? Do they have an afterlife?
Athas’ cosmology has the Grey and the Black.
Mystara has a lot of unique planes because basically every Immortal creates a home plane in addition to the Prime Material Plane, the Astral, the Ethereal, the Elemental Planes, and the primary Sphere-aligned planes. They also have higher dimensions of these planes, which work differently.
Not that I can think of. I think they’re all pretty independent.
Gotcha, looks like its up to me then
Oh, did they have any names that they used to call their respective worlds?
Like, do they have another name for Toril and such?
There are some nations of non-dragons ruled by dragons on Toril, I believe.
All living creatures follow the same path when they die:
Mortals that die eventually have their souls return as petitioners in far-flung reaches of the Outer Planes. There, they manifest as idealized versions of themselves. These forms might be similar to the forms they had in life or be those of entirely different creatures. A petitioner or another Celestial or Fiend that is destroyed can reconstitute on a plane that shares its alignment after 100 years, or it might choose to become one with that plane and never return.
Source: Morte's Planar Parade
Are deaf creatures and players immune to thunder damage?
Thats more of a rules question than a lore one, but no.
My bad, I'll make sure to ask there next time.
Who is the god of good fortune?
or like the god of not accidentally killing people, so ig mercy
what setting? id suggest looking up some Peace domain gods
as for good fortune, in FR thats Tymora iirc
And the god of mercy would be Ilmater
Uhhh, chrismas one shot?
what?
not entirely sure but I think whatever will work
santa does exist in dnd lore technically, was even stated out in past editions
i would still narrow it down to a setting though, just to narrow the results
... now i have to see this
yeah gods are very setting dependent, as not all gods are worshiped across all settings and some are strictly specific to one setting
good luck is hard to find, i was lucky to hunt it down for when i made my 5e adaptation/conversion
like many things from the old wizards of the coast stuff, they put it up online but eventually took it down or it otherwise became not easily found
apparently back in 2001 Sean K. Reynolds did an official D&D writeup of Santa Claus for the WotC website for D&D 3E
though finding that old write up is likely near impossible as many such old online materials tend to be for 3e
Hey everyone, what exactly is the Feywild?
Think of it like a fairy version of the real world.
You have the material plane, the 'real' world. It has two parallel planes of sorts, called the Feywild and the Shadowfell. They are both reflections of the material plane in their own way, but twisted.
So where a lake is in the material plane, they feywild might have a wild magic geysir. The shadowfell might have a foreboding chasm instead.
Ohhhhh
thank you, for some reason I was thinking it was like it's own dedicated place rather than just a plane of existence
since my brain just immediately thinks of a very vibrant and spiritual forest and that's it lol
It's not far off from that! But yeah, it's hard to get to without planar travel. In lore there are sometimes places called "Shadow Crossings and Fey Crossings", which are places in the material plane where you can either deliberately or accidentally cross over to the feywild and shadowfell respectively.
yeah for some reason I led myself to believe that it was a destined place from when I originally read the Feylost background. as a 'whisked away' but now that i reread it with this knowledge i see the term 'plane' specfically used
now I won't look like a complete doofus next time I run that background and try to think of a backstory 
not that far off to be fair as the realm is basically the prime material plane but with magic and nature in extra abundance https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Feywild
Is there a Dwarven god of earth and stone that my mountain druid dwarf can worship?
uh you mean Moradin?
Pretty much any dwarf god
if forgotten realms https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Morndinsamman#Members
personally i'd suggest from among them a dwarven druid favoring Thard Harr https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Thard_Harr
It would be funny if it was Laduguer
Thard Harr might work
Missclicked... Again, sorry
Hi! I’m hoping to annoy some of you guys for lore and composition on the elven factions in Waterdeep and baldur’s gate
Waterdeep has a drow gunslinger crime mafia run by Jarlaxle but for the most part the two cities don’t have ‘formal factions’ by race but uses the organized factions that cover the realms
Should awakened plants be able to become become player classes
Officially no. But a DM can arbitrarily say otherwise
Dang fr? Not even a story instance of that?
What about highly superstitious religious orders that are against outsiders or people that don’t fit in the natural order of the world?
No such group would really be able to feasibly survive in the two largest city and international, interspecies trading hubs in Fearun
I see
That specific type of group would never establish in such a huge melting pot locale
The reason why I’m asking is because I’m gonna run a campaign where a bunch of gangsters from prohibition era America found a portal to the forgotten realms and I want people to beef with them because of it
I wanted elves because my friends are 40k enthusiast so “filthy knife ears” and all that
Jarlaxle’s gang would have them dead in a week tbh
Is that so?
Is there any wikis on him and the faction?
I’d wanna learn more on why
There’s an entire dedicated forgotten realms wiki yes
Also the why is because they also have guns but also magic
No not the why they would die but why the beef. But then again I realized that it would be because the American gangsters would be clear competition
They’re also going to be racist most likely and drow aren’t white if you’re aiming for realism
Ngl I’m mixed between drow being pale af and the Japanese version of dark elves
Drow are not pale at all
They’re called ‘dark elves’ for a reason
Their complexion and skin tone is all very dark which makes them stand out like a sore thumb anywhere
It’s why Drizzt had a hard time first going to the surface because it wasn’t a thing he could hide without access to illusion magic
Huh
He’s the poster boy of ‘not evil drow’
Ah
Had a dozen or so books written for him
Reverse. Early 1900s Americans wouldn’t like them first
My players are built a lil different
Except for one
She’s playing a 40k inquisitor so yeah
Anywho what other factions would not like my new comers?
You didn’t say the Americans are the players but also I did say ‘if you’re going for realism’
Most don’t care. ‘Newcomers’ arrives to those cities daily
Ight looks like imma have to pull a faction from thin air but thx
I just wanted to exhaust all the angles before making a new faction cause one of my buds is a stickler to the lore of the forgotten realms
where do the elemental planes get their light from
the plane of fire kinda explains itself, and I can imagine the plane of earth being all caves so that'd make sense as dark, same with like the deeper parts of the plane of water
but like, the plane of air is all sky, no? is there a sun on the elemental plane of air?
Forgotten realm lore question . Anyone familiar with with the history of of the harper family are they a separate thing to the harpell family my Sunday night dm mentions the harpers family of long saddle is know for having some powerful if strange mages in the family and was curious if that separate from the harpell or just two names fir the same family?
The Harpers are less of a family and more of a faction. See here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Harpers
The way the dm talked about it the harper family was one of the founders of the harper faction
Hm, I don't think published lore bears that out, but DMs aren't beholden to that. I'd ask him.
Though I might be a case of years if forgotten realms lore combined harper with harpell
Ah ok he just message it was the harpell family he was thinking of
if wanting lore on the harpell family, now that you know that, https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Harpell
Are there any creatures/organisms in the dnd bestiary that have parthenogenesis, or are known for their fecundity and laying lots of eggs? A beast or especially monstrosity would be best.
None come to mind, at least not beasts or monstrosities with such specific and niche traits, but I wouldn't be surprised if such a creature existed.
Beholders have had three different means of reproducing, at least two of which are parthenogenetic.
They can dream other beholderkin into existence, they can grow larval beholders in their tongues, and (at least in some settings, like Mystara) lay eggs.
Yeah it's the "laying lots of eggs" that didn't fit
And they don't reproduce very often either IIRC
The original statement had an “or.” I can’t think of anything that meets both requirements off the top of my head, but there are some that do one or the other.
hey odd question but are there any aberrations that reproduce sexually, that is, with only two sexes of male and female? Beholders, aboleths, mindflayers, they all reproduce asexually.
Slaadi maybe count?
Slaadi reproduce Xenomorph style
yeah but there are like... two kinds of slaadi that reproduce
red slaadi make blue slaadi, blue slaadi make red slaadi
yeah I guess
The other slaadi are transformations
I was kinda thinking maybe slaad have "red and blue" instead of "male and female"
Typically reproduction fell to the common slaads, the red and blue, which propagated the race by afflicting others with a condition referred to as chaos phage, in a horrific, maddening process similar to those used by parasites or viruses. Red slaadi implanted eggs beneath their victim's skin which would devour the host's insides from within before emerging as a blue slaad tadpole. Blue slaadi on the other hand infecting their victims with a disease that slowly transformed them into red slaads, leaving them with no trace of their memories or former skills.
Thanks all 🙂 I’m going with “just make something up” lol
is not that simple, they have effectively no gender, is not even a factor and there are other kinds of slaad, is largely dependant on the the way they are created what kind of slaad it results in, not to mention a number of other factors
Given their highly individualistic nature, presumably there are as many genders of Slaad as there are Slaadi.
or if they do have genders, they are likely gender fluid as we only really see such a thing used with individuals such as the slaad lords to my knowledge
What are the top 3 strongest type of dragons
This can include stuff like shadow dragons the psychic ones and so on
the main reason i ask is because i want a dragon for a high difficulty campaign the dm says i can have any dragon within reason
so obv no like gods and stuff
asking for the strongest is already pushing 'within reason' just pick one that makes sense for your character to even have on hand
the dm activly said pick one thats gonna help you the most for reference enemys have 4000hp
What's "within reason"? Is there a CR limit?
Because even the chromatic dragons get up there.
This isn't really a lore question
no cr limit so long as its not a god
i mean it sorta is cause im tryna know lore wise what it would be plus idk where else to ask this sorta thing
optimisation didnt seem right
Pretty much as soon as CR comes into play, it’s more about mechanics than lore.
So, the greatwyrms aren't really gods. Pick one of those.
And "strongest" is just an extrapolation of that framed in a subjective opinion
cant be a greatwym specifically dragon
Greatwyrms are dragons
i suppose i meant what ones the most useful
yea but greatwyms are essentially demi gods
Useful is also subjective
well lets say u can humor
me
stuff like gold dragons shadow dragons that sorta stuff
In terms of “can do the most unique things,” a spellcasting dragon or a Time dragon could be “useful.”
You might want to ask in #dnd-discussion or #dm-discussion for a DM specific opinion
what dragons spellcast
That’s more on an individual basis than anything as a species.
Gem dragons possess psionic powers, which could be useful.
Ok, next down the line: Ancient Time Dragon, CR26
(Along with the older Force and Prismatic epic dragons.)
Whether something has a statblock isn’t really a lore concern.
Yup, that's why I quoted CR. Ancient Time Dragons were published in Planescape: Adventures in the Multiverse
greatwyverns in 5e are effectively when an ancient dragon goes even further beyond, usually by absorbing their counterpart ie an echo from another world
Time dragons are currently the only epic dragons known to exist in the 5e continuity, force and prismatic dragons to my knowledge have yet to be reintroduced after being killed off after 3e came to an end
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Cerilian dragons are pretty scary, given that setting wasn’t specified.
As is the Dragon of Athas, although that’s a specific individual.
this entire topic isn't really lore since you're trying to get a mechanical dragon stat block
yeah mechanics is more so a thing for #dnd-rules
this is a character discussion topic actually
plus not everything in the lore is mechanically represented or stated out
Okay, lemme make sure i understand correctly. so the abyss, is supposed to be like, massive with hundreds if not thousands of levels roughly the size of our solar system stacked flat on top of each other
With no clearly defined top or bottom but they are numbered
bottomless. so infinite layers
Bottomless or Topless? Cause if they’re numbered that means their should be a number one, a beginning
I said bottomless did I not?
So it starts at the top and stretches down?
More or less
Smallest number I think I’ve ever seen is like 100 or 200, 30
Is there any like pattern? Like it’s supposed to be a chaos realm but the deeper you go does it become even more chaotic or anything?
There's no rhyme or reason at all
So… it says “if there is a bottom, there is no evidence of it” that’s just because the abyss sucks in general?
a bottom wouldnt matter anyways
no living being has explored all the hypothetical layers and theres no reason to. Besides Asmodeus. He's the only one that cares
anyone else would be driven mad
the numbers are arbitrary
How dare you imply that the made up numbers are made up
they have no real consistant meaning, is part of mortal scholars who try to map out and understand it
it's fact, as some settings will reffer to them by different numbers, the names of the layer are more important than the numbers
The numbers only indicate the order in which the layers of the Abyss were recorded by explorers.
and thus vary depending on the scholar credited with doing so for that setting
Only the first layer is clearly defined, as Pazunia is the easiest to reach.
and has portals to pretty much everywhere
well at least everywhere in the abyss in regards to the various laders and some other planes of existance
pazzuzu if i recall correctly in the lore can teleport anywhere in the multiverse at will so is not like he has any need to use them himself for that purpose
One need only speak his name thrice to summon him. It is by this mechanism that he offers wishes to the Lawful Good.
far as i know he can do it at will, that is basically just getting his attention
Got any fun facts about Tharizdune?
no, but i got some on Tharizdun
oh is it no 'e' lmao
he was the reason the abyss and the Obyriths exist in the current multiverse, as he dared to look at the far realm even for a moment, causing them to invade his mind, driving him mad and becoming the chained god we know, and had he not resisted their influence as he dead regardless of his reason and had planted it in the astral plane instead of the elemental chaos, the dnd multiverse would have basically been what the abyss is if not worse
else if you want some real fun ones and maybe some theories, i'd just go watch AJ Pickett's lore video on him, does way more justice than my attempt just now does
righty then, i enjoyed his white dragon video, so i have no idea why im not checking out his channel more
yeah, he is great about covering even some of the more obscure details of the lore
question - if maruts hunt down everyone who tries to cheat dead, how can liches exist? Especially Szass Tam and the entire lichdom of Thay.
The nigh-unstoppable inevitables serve a singular purpose: they enforce contracts forged in the Hall of Concordance in the city of Sigil.
They don't seem to do that.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Marut
just cuz that is their purpose does not mean that they are always successful or always deployed
But there's country ruled by literal lich council, who else could be a worse offender of the rule?
not to mention they are patient, they are sent after specific targets, and some liches are simply more powerful and cunning than others, they take their time, so if there is one sent after the likes of Szass Tam they are likely waiting for the ideal moment to strike
they don't just wonder the multiverse hunting such indivduals
the 3e sources sighted likely can provide some insight and context as the only ones we have seen in 5e have for some reasons seemingly been repurposed
plus while powerful, they are not gods and have limitations and there are some gods in the multiverse that even support such forces that they would work against
Szass Tam also has the magical resources and power to just destroy every inevitable that comes its way.
especially since to my knowledge their teleportation does not necessarily put them in line of sight of their target, they just wind up somewhere on the world, and have to walk to get into range
Why are there Norse deities in FR?
Same thing goes for Egyptian deities
And a lot of other gods tbh
Why are there earth gods in FR?
well, there are some of the Norse dieties in the FR
and Egyptian
But if you are referring to the big lists of gods in the books: they are not all in the FR
Well, could I include worshippers of Norse or Egyptian gods in FR?
for a specific few. i think Tyr is in fearun for norse for example
Tyr is yea (he's also considered a general part of the FR pantheon, despite not being from the realms initially), the Egyptian Pantheon is known as the Mulhorandi Pantheon in the realms (and they go by slightly different names for the most part)
Which gods are canon to FR?
A lot
Arguably too many
Is there an implication that if you're a grey coloured half-orc that you may be smarter than a green one?
no?
The grey mountain orcs are supposed to be smarter
Given more recent portrayals of orcs, that would appear to be a stereotype thrust upon them by non-orcs at best.
The history of them says that they are more than likely a smarter race, besides maybe the Many Arrow orcs being pretty intelligent
basically those listed on the forgotten realms wiki have some history, influence, or connection to realmspace more or less
the grey orcs are the more savage supposedly, the mountain orcs are the most common
Orogs are the ones that are the smarter orcs compared to their kin
grey orcs and mountain orcs are two different kinds of orcs
and seems we don't even know the skin color of the mountain orcs, at least is not documented on the forgotten realms wiki, just their eye and hair colors
i assumed mountain orcs were the pig-like orcs of old d&d
I confused them, but I’m guessing mountain orcs are green. Orogs are pretty sick and it’s odd how nobody chose to play one over other orc forms
they might be, far as i know the only artwork for mountain orcs is in black and white
well to my knowledge they have not been playable, even when orcs are in general
You could make a homebrew race, being an orog would help explain away turning into an intelligent and or powerful player character, especially compared to a standard orc
may have something to do with them being mainly in the underdark
most races that live in the underdark don't do so well on the surface
Wait until Orc Dizzt shows up as an Orog
? that is not a thing and i am fairly sure drizzt would be horrified given the history of orcs and elves in the realms, and is not much better with drow
also orogs are no more powerful physically than other orcs, they are mainly more intelligent and charismatic compared to other orcs on average
Orogs on their stat sheet have higher strength, con and way higher intelligence
If I was a particular lore Junkie sniffing around for information of dwarvin culture History.
And clans What books or source areas or videos would anyone recommend
if in the forgotten realms at least and for full context would track down the cited sources
else for videos i'd recommend AJ Picketts two part lore videos on the dwarves in dnd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJHNxqXVWA&t=620s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKZGWMmGHNA
I think it's useful to remind the lore channel, from time to time, that there are circumstances in which lore and mechanic are the same thing. The case of Orog being stronger than normal orcs is one of those cases.
Mechanically, it is absolutely true that orogs are, on average, stronger than orcs. Since it is true mechanically, this is also true in lore. This time, at least.
@jagged apex
Thank you
hi where do celestials and archfey stand against each other?
In what manner?
is one or the other generally more powerful through strength, racially, hierarchy, etc?
Celestial are just a creature type. There are beings of all sorts of power levels under that category.
Archfey also vary dramatically in power, because more than anything archfey is a title.
interesting thanks
so in this case would you say celestials would have a higher power ceiling than most archfey?
Not directly no
There are a lot of minor celestials. Stuff that would be akin to Imps or Quasits
what about in terms of patrons?
In what regard? What can function as one?
A powerful enough being is the only requirement really
i guess just pure power scaling and capabilities they have. if one would eventually overpower the other or they're just complete equals
or im just asking redundant questions sorry...
Them being a warlock patron or not doesn't really change much
The answer is still "it depends on the individual"
gotcha thanks 👍
If I scream to the heaven and yell " God, square the f@#% up" who's the first deity to show up?
In most settings? None
So I win 😏
not really
a truely petty god if you called them out specifically, may strike you down
besides in most published settings there is no single heaven, there are many afterlifes that could be considered a kind of heaven
Even if a deity saw fit to intervene, they would at best manifest an avatar rather than “showing up,” but would be more likely to send some type of servitor or cause a magical effect like a curse.
either way any effort on their part would be fairly minor, if any cuz you would basically be akin to an ant yelling at some guy's massive boot that can step on you and easily kill you at any moment, if they decide to, but can just as easily ignore you cuz you are so minor and insignifant in relation to them, and even if they just gave you a free shot, without a select few specific artifacts or similar tools, you would not even be able to harm them in any way if you were trying to fight them or something, do to the innate protections all gods tend to have
honestly in such a situation best outcome is them not even bothering to notice you, if a god did respond or retaliate to suck a thing, that would very much be a bad thing for you
what domain would Tharizdun fall under? Is he even considered a god besides in title anymore?
I’m fairly sure he can’t grand power to anyone given his current situation but I could be wrong there
Setting dependent, really. He is considered a god in the Dawn War pantheon, but I think in the original setting he appeared in he’s more of an eldritch being.
True
Actually he’s listed as a god in 2024’s Greyhawk. That said, he was listed as a Trickery domain god in the 2014 DMG, but he’s also been listed as a Grave and Death domain god in EGtW.
Also worth remembering that (in 5E at least) the listed domains are suggested, but you’re free to try and make an argument for why a cleric might have an unlisted domain.
Of course
also true
like im in a campaign with an evil mcdonalds (mcguffins)
stealing from chick filet (royal filet)
There are existing, already designed settings/worlds made with lore and maps and such
you are not required to use these
ohhhh yeah
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Yarp. D&D has accumulated a lot of lore in the past half-century plus.
i'm five years in and I'm still learning XD
cant stuff 50 years worth of lore into a barely 2 decade brain that easily 
There’s some irony in the more obscure settings having easier lore to learn, because you’re generally only dealing with a book or two rather than multiple decades of updates and retcons.
Like Birthright’s Cerilia. It only ever had 2e content.
then there's settings like FR....
I know I could just google this, but are they still putting out Dragon Lance adventures and how are they?
We started with Dragon Lance in the before times, and it's been a thought in my head that we return to Kryn at some point.
Not really a lore question, but yes there are still Dragonlance novels being produced and Dragonlance adventures, such as Shadow of the Dragon Queen.
Massive but every campaign I've ever seen runs in faerun and only faerun
@night girder The far realm is inifite. it's a whole other dimension where shit gets really weird and stuff like distance can stop having any meaning
You get there the same way you get to any other dimension; magic or magic items. Portals, teleportation, that kinda thing
I got a question about mortals becoming gods. In the FR settings, are there mortals who changed their names when becoming Gods? I ask this bc my Orc character is on the path to Godhood, and I was told that when my Orc becomes a true God, Ao himself will appoint him as the head god of a new Orc Pantheon. (Think Bahamut and Tiamat, but Orcs. Gruumsh being Tiamat in this case.)
I’m looking for a Time Deity to add to my Homebrew campaign. I’m using Toril’s pantheon of gods but can only find Amaunator. However, I guess his aspects were broken made into other gods. Also, Lathander is a diety that is present in this world. I read stuff that states Lathander is one of these aspects of Amaunator or a reincarnated version of the Deity. I can always say that Amaunator lost most of his divine portfolio but managed to hold on to time.
Chronos is a forgotten aspect of Labelas Enoreth, the Lord of the Continuum
I appreciate you sharing this with me. To keep with Toril lore should I just use Labelas because the Seldarine are present in my homebrew world, or would it be cool to have Chronos be a separate deity that’s human-leaning when it comes to worship.
Chronos was worshipped by humans. and Labelas was worshipped by the elves. Same god different names.
This happens often in the realms as Gods will have mulitple names in different places. Like how in Rashemen Mystra is understood to be known as the Hidden One, and Chauntea is known to be Bhalla
Okay, this means time is handled by the Seldarine. It’s just the way I have the different Toril’s different Pantheons is that they kind of mainly worshipped by their main species. This doesn’t mean that others won’t or not be allowed to worship them. Narratively, I have it usually happened when a group of one folk is transplanted in the realm of another folk. I’m just trying to get a good grasp on how I should write this character who is going to be a Chrono Mage.
Yes, sometimes a mortal takes on the role of an existing god and changes their name to suit. For example, Mystra was once a woman named Midnight. But in many cases, if a mortal usurped or took the place of a god, they kept their name and people worshipped the new god of whatever (i.e. Kelemvor, Bane, etc.)
The 3.5 draconimicon has detailed lore regarding reproduction and even parenting habits of all 10 True Dragons overall if that helps. I don’t recall that specific information off the top of my head
Oh sweet dude gonna have to check that out!
Question how would a crossbreed giant be looked to other giants and everybody else? For example a giant whose parents are a father frost giant and mother fire giant?
Sizzles the Giant?
no idea, far as i know such a thing is unheard of partially do to the nature of the ordining and the different cultures and ways of life of each kind of true giant, so with there being no such info far as i know, is basically up to you
I am not sure it is actually possible for giants to crossbreed. I can find no examples.
plus some cases we can make a reasonable assumption would not work, given even how with frost giants for example, normal warm temperatures they don't do well with, let alone the extreme heat of fire giants
If I multiclass do I take max hp from the new class?
So if I'm a level 1 wizard and a level 1 fighter do I get max hp from both
Yeah thats what I suspected, two of my players were arguing about it lol
also this is defnitely not the right channel, i thought this was #dnd-rules and i assumed you did too
whats like a dragon’s scale shed rate because those things be crazy
According to the 3.5 Draconomicon, they do not shed their scales at all. They 'occasionally lose old scales, especially if they become badly damaged'. The dragon will naturally grow a replacement scale that in theory is noticably thinner and smaller than adjacent scales, bringing life to Bards' tales of a weak point in the armor, but a single scale on a massive dragon's body isn't going to be leaving them very vulnerable in real practice.
Essentially dragon scales aren't really obtained for practical use without killing them
Do elder evils have alignments, besides just evil? Specifically Hadar
likely but alignments aren't a particularly relevant thing since it's alread subjective as is. Did you need a chaos vs lawful interpretation?