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jagged apex
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not necessarily, suffering from hunger and thirst could very much mean you simply will not feel the effects of such while on the astral plane

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i think it might be an interpretation thing as you could reasonable read it as meaning either way

calm crest
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I believe the effects were clearer in older editions and more ambiguous in 5e.

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I think the “time catching up to you” was a 3e era mechanic?

jagged apex
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yeah as was there actually being a detailed time dilation

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or at least in some other past edition

calm crest
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3e SRD: “Timeless. Age, hunger, thirst, poison, and natural healing don’t function in the Astral Plane, though they resume functioning when the traveler leaves the Astral Plane.”

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Also could be read either way, I guess.

jagged apex
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i believe it is not being literal when 5e says aging ceases, it effectively does for most cases you may worry about do to the how long a single day in the astral plane is compared to the prime, that one day being subjective anyway so is not like it is an absolute measure of time on that end https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Astral_Plane

calm crest
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Going by the 1,000 years equals one subjective day, it might still be a few Prime centuries between githyanki needing to eat.

jagged apex
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true, but like i said it is technically not as simple as it otherwise may make you think

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plus the githyanki given their raider like culture, probably steal some along with other things by the time that comes around anyway, so they get the food they need eventually

calm crest
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Looks like missing time catching up was a 2e mechanic not used in later editions.

jagged apex
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yeah, over the years some things were not mechanically reflected or made more so something that is optional, espeically by 5e, like losing your memories of the feywild when traveling to and from it, just as an example

calm crest
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2e A Guide to the Astral Plane:

Because of these temporal effects, most bashers don't eat while on the Astral (because no one gets hungry there). When time catches up after leaving the plane, a body's usually real hungry—though no one's ever died of starvation, even if they've been on the Astral for years. Canny restaurant owners have opened up establishments near gates to the Astral or known color pool sites and have earned hefty profits for their trouble.

jagged apex
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yeah that is what i basically trying to explain, that historically at least was thing

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obviously being someone that got in via 5e, i don't got access to or necessarily remember those older sourcebooks or where certain things were described, so much appreciated for being able to find and share it

calm crest
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1e Manual of the Planes states that it takes 300 years to get hungry on the Astral Plane.

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The time catching up to you only seems to be a factor in 2e and is not used in any other edition.

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4e I believe just refers to the Astral Sea as “timeless.”

jagged apex
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to be fair, to most of the sages in universe i doubt they are spending enough time there to test that theory so any in universe description by some sages is likely making some assumptions, like how most don't know about the twilight stage that dragons historically have at the end of their lifespan

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especially with things like astral dreadnaughts waiting to gobble up any sufficently intelligent beings they can up, i sure wouldn't wanna stress test those theories if i were a sage in dnd

mint trellis
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Is there anywhere in dnd where its told or written how old genasi tend to get?

cedar salmon
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In Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse...Air Genasi "A typical genasi has a life span of 120 years."

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And same for the other 3 types

mint trellis
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thanks

fierce glacier
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Is there a way in dnd you know that is easy to enchant items in 2014 edition

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Or can druids not do that

pallid flower
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fierce glacier
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Sorry

tranquil solstice
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I kknow this is belated, maybe it might help some anyway, the astral plane is outer space basically. All those other planes, are the Afterlife. Being too powerful to walk amongst normal mortals and you're not dead... You get to hang out in outer space till your time is up. Is basic dnd lore. That's why aging changes there, that's where the immortals walk.

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Hence why your alignment dictates where you go after you die.

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It'It's actually an offense, to enter any of those realms(despite adventures taking you there) (cool huh?) If you're mortal kind and you haven't died. So then, everybody gets to hang out in space.

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If tthey're too powerful.

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Instead of the prime material plane.

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Or you could goto the City of Sigil.

fierce glacier
tranquil solstice
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Stinky Cheese, check your messages

tranquil solstice
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That's wwhy The mechanics would reflect this, no matter the edition.

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sorry, thought I put this there already

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That's why Spelljammer became so useful, traveling the astral planecas an mortal, you have an silver coil protruding from your back. ThaThat's what the Githyanki cut with their swords.

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Planes*

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And then you're dead. Guess we shoulda got a spelljammer huh?. Yup.

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So the mechanics are like that, because your in your spirit form, unless you're in an spelljammer.

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The Astral Plane.

fiery vortex
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Something I find strange in lore vs game is that firbolgs are up between 9 and 11 ft in lore (at least they are listed as this on forgotten realms wiki) but in 5e are only listed between 7 and 8 feet which is strange and large difference and are even listed as medium on the wiki

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Correction only medium for 5e editions before that they are listed as large

tranquil solstice
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You must understand the lore at least, to fully know the mechanics, the lore helps explain what is going on in the Astral Plane. Thats the afterlife.

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The DMG explains that actually.

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The afterlife wasnt supposed to have time.

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It ddoes because mortals are there.

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The githyankis weapon is the exact same silver as the cord that mortals have entering the astral plane.

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I wonder why they did that???

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hmmm...

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somebody gget an 1e or 2e description of the githyankis weapon and what it does please

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and put it on here please

calm crest
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The silver cord is a product of the Astral Projection spell, not any other means of planar travel.

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The Astral Plane is also not an afterlife; it is a transitory plane, connecting the Outer Planes and the Prime Material Pane.

jagged apex
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also to my knowledge it is never even hinted that the silver of the githyanki swords are the same as the cord that connects an astral projector to their mortal body

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quote "every githyanki knight (warrior champions in service to the Lich Queen), was given one of these weapons once they achieved a sufficient level of power to will the blades into existence" end quote, so supposedly it is not actually silver and even if it was it would not be the same thing as the silver cords

jagged apex
rose bough
jagged apex
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the fugue plane does not exist in the current cosmology

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at least according to what is docummented on the forgotten realms wiki

rose bough
jagged apex
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plus, the fugue plane is located in the astral plane and is not the same as the astral plane itself

jagged apex
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it is part of the world axis cosmology and world tree cosmology though

rose bough
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Not exactly, if you were to travel to the fugue plane via plane shift, you would have to attune to a quartz tube in B. It is functionally in the astral plane.

On it not being a thing anymore, at no point was it destroyed in lore, and it does have a place in the great wheel cosmology, relocated to the astral after the second sundering, prior to which is was in hades

jagged apex
jagged apex
rose bough
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Right, the forgotten realms wiki isn't the be-all-end-all, it can be inconsistent on things like this. the section you linked is a description on how the astral sea connects to the outer planes. within the astral sea, the astral dominions are more relevant, one of which is the fugue plane

jagged apex
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but again the astral plane itself is not an afterlife, no mortal souls go there as part of their afterlife, the fugue plane is not the same as the astral plane itself

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is like new york city vs new york the state, being in one does not make the other the same thing

rose bough
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You'll notice that that article doesn't have Tu'narath or the Ruby Palace. It's incomplete.

The fugue plane is very much in the astral plane. You can get there via spelljammer.

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It is a physical location.

jagged apex
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and in the lastest phb the astral plane is specifically a transitive plane and described as the following "This endless, silvery expanse links the Material Plane and the Outer Planes. Whole civilizations have arisen in this glimmering vastness, while others navigate the magical cosmos in spelljamming vessels." end quote

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and the outerplanes are described as "Realms where ideas take form and spirits spend their afterlives, the Outer Planes are the homes of immortals. " end quote ie the afterlife

rose bough
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in that quote:
"Whole civilizations have arisen in this glimmering vastness"
It's not a transitive plane in the literal sense that it is ONLY for transport, its just the classification of the plane.

jagged apex
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the description of such planes says otherwise "The transitive planes serve as paths between planes"

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just because some creatures live in the astral plane does not make it an afterlife

rose bough
jagged apex
rose bough
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DnD lore is not as concrete and black and white as you'd like it to be. The 'transitive' planes are not just for transition. The outer planes are not just for immortals, hell the elemental planes aren't even made entirely of their element.

It's just a straight fact of DnD lore that there are spirits that live in the astral plane, in a place called the City of the Dead.

jagged apex
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to my knowledge spirits do not live in the astral plane or material plane

rose bough
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ok, add this to your knowledge. Spirits live on the astral plane. They are the faithless and the false, as well as petitioners yet to be claimed or judged.

Spirits on the material are many types of undead such as ghosts, banshees and wights.

jagged apex
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technically one could argue all the outer planes are "in" the astral plane

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and again, spirits and undead creaturees are not the same thing, they often involve spirits but given they are undead they are not living and usually are not a natural thing

rose bough
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its not a demiplane, or a curtained off section. It's there. That is where it is.

jagged apex
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i am trying to explain and clerify things, i don't need it explained to me, the astral plane is not an afterlife as no souls go there for their afterlife when they die, an astral domain is not the same as the astral plane proper, as i said is like new york city and new york the state in that regard

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one is located in the other but is not the same as the other

rose bough
jagged apex
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-_-

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since this seems to be going in circles, let's just agree to disagree

rose bough
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like, yes they're different, but one is IN the other. it's where it is physically located.

rose bough
jagged apex
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again, since this just seems to be going in circles, let's just agree to disagree, also you don't have to keep pinging me, we are the only ones actively engaged in the conversation currently

coarse heath
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having my PCs go to Astrazalian, City of Starlight, where Lady Shandria resides & rules over. wondering what kind of faux pas may be there, my PCs want to make sure they know what to do & how to behave or wear etc., since they are hoping to eventually gain Shandria's favor

vocal mortar
coarse heath
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tysm!!

jagged apex
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my guess is warlord in this context does not necessarily the same as other contexts, especially the way she is described

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from what i can tell warlord in this context is implying she not only leads their political stuff but also the military/armies of the city

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like far as i can gather Astrazalian is a proper functioning place of trade and the like and not reliant necessarily on their armies to have any sort of government

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though seems there is not much regarding gaining her favor other than if she hires you for a job and you do it very well presumably

coarse heath
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it looks like the Fomorians attack them often, thinking i’ll have Her ask them to help with that somehow
what are Fomorians tho?

jagged apex
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basically cursed fey dwelling giants

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they got some new lore and such in bigby's glory of the giants for 5e

coarse heath
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ooooo that sounds sick tysm

vocal mortar
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If you really want to dig into this part of the feywild, these books from dnD 4th edition uses Astralazian: Heroes of the Feywild and mentioned in Manual of the Planes.

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Astralazian shifts between the material plane, were it resides in a relatively quiet are, but in the Feywild it is allt o close to the darker parts with frequent Fomorians attacks.

coarse heath
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oooo tysm! had no idea this place was so cool

jagged apex
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but since it is 4e take it with a grain of salt and take the 5e stuff as priority in terms of lore if you are playing 5e

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like i know there are some things from 4e that carried over but the majority of it is know for being so far removed from any other edition in terms of lore

tranquil solstice
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What I'm saying is, thosecare the places the Deities created.

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those are*

calm crest
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No? The Astral and Outer Planes are generally regarded as older than most deities.

tranquil solstice
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The Astral Plane and all of those places, ARE the afterlife. Time didnt exist there till mortals came there because they can become too powerful for the prime material plane. This helps explain WHY you can spend 1000 years there and still live 120 years as an human. So what happens is, the players are laughing n giggling, the D.D.Ms reading, then they give the verdict, " you arent here where time no longer passes, to be immortal from age, time does still pass here". That's the Deities saying nice try (game plot ) and the D.D.M. gets to look at the clever players and say nope, sorry, got to give you the thumbs down on that one.

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you will still die at 120 as human here.

calm crest
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I’m not sure where you’re getting this “too powerful for the Prime” thing.

jagged apex
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i already tried explaining the incorrect parts of that but i ain't getting into that loop deloop again

calm crest
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The closest thing to what you’re explaining is the Mystaran cosmology in BECMI, which is not the same cosmology that is generally used for D&D.

tranquil solstice
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AnAnd it also depends on the edition, 4e says the Deities did it, why theres an adventure where the PC's become the creator gods, though one players doomed to be Asmodeus.

calm crest
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The 4e cosmology has largely been overridden by 5e. The remaining elements are the Shadowfell replacing the Demiplane of Shadows, the Feywild being introduced, the Elemental Chaos approximately replacing the Quasi-Elemental Planes, and the Astral Plane occasionally being referred to as the “Astral Sea” while not having very much in common with the 4e version.

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4e was a significant departure from the normal D&D reckoning of the planes, and most of it was promptly undone.

tranquil solstice
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Too pwpowerful for the mortal world ( prime material plane) like 3e players know the epic book says about epic monsters, put these things away from mortals, for they will be too powerful.

calm crest
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Epic strength monsters very much can be found on the Prime Material Plane, as can powerful mortals.

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The tarrasque, notably.

unkempt merlin
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and greatwyrms

calm crest
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And krakens. There are a lot of them.

tranquil solstice
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Yes, that's not my arguement though, my arguement is the DEITIES rule the multi-verse, or does Asmodeus fear his death at the end for no reason?. Whom is responsible for him losing, at the end?.

feral lintel
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So many titans exist

calm crest
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Deities are not the end-all, be-all of the D&D multiverse. Deities have limitations.

tranquil solstice
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In In the game people, to keep the storyline consistent, whom rules the multi verse? What are they called?

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theyvrule whom goes where...

feral lintel
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what

calm crest
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The Athar, for example, strongly disagree that deities rule the multiverse.

feral lintel
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If youre looking for one who is above everyone, there's Ao

tranquil solstice
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They mmade the rules. Whom said alignment dictates where you go? DEITIES

unkempt merlin
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Ao is only for the FR, not the multiverse as a whole

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Ao is the overgod (aka, "control" of the gods) of the Realms, but not the multiverse

tranquil solstice
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Whom mmade the rules for astral sea? DEITIES

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unkempt merlin
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The war of Law and Chaos is older than the modern pantheon.

tranquil solstice
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Whom dictates creation rules? Like you create your own? Not you. DEITIES

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you follow THEIR RULES for your own creation?

feral lintel
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Half of the gods are younger than the whole universe

calm crest
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Mortals very much can dictate laws of creation. You yourself cited epic level mortals before, who can create and alter the properties of planes.

tranquil solstice
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TThey're still the ones that run it.

calm crest
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Oversee it, maybe. Run it, not so much.

feral lintel
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The gods oversee all their respective domains

tranquil solstice
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pointless aarguement Anyways

feral lintel
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theyre the domains and what they represent personified

tranquil solstice
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Yeah?, whom told Bahamut not to roam the prime material anymore?. And if he does, he'd better keep it brief.

feral lintel
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Bahamut's origins are messy, but generally, it thought to be form the single dragon entity Io

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Also, are you tlaking about the Silence or something?

tranquil solstice
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I wawas trying to help newer players understand the mechanics anyways, not this philosophical debate anyway.

feral lintel
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This channel is for lore

calm crest
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This isn’t the channel for mechanics. It, arguably, is the channel for philosophical debates.

tranquil solstice
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Yes and I used lore. Because that's how ppl learn the astral plane the best.

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which iis why I joined the talk

calm crest
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The problem is that you aren’t citing lore, or where you are, it is lore that is no longer accurate.

unkempt merlin
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but your claims about the planes are not accurate to the lore

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They might be for your homebrew setting, but not anything official

tranquil solstice
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Doesnt matter, in dnd, all editions share one thing.

calm crest
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The editions very much change lore over time.

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Look at the Demiplane of Dread in each edition. Significant changes.

unkempt merlin
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And also completely irrelevant to this channel

tranquil solstice
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AAll editions share one common factor of the end if days. No one will win by owning the astral sea, you need the planes under your control.

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And wwhom Owns most if em?

unkempt merlin
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Thats not supported by lore whatsoever

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You are free to make things up for your own setting, but please do not act as though it is official lore

tranquil solstice
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doesnt matter if there were others before them, the Deities run the show now.

unkempt merlin
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this is getting very circular

calm crest
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Again, not really? The Lady of Pain does not appear to be a deity, but is fully capable of stopping deific meddling.

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Deities are powerful, but they don’t control the entire cosmos. They are flatly not omnipotent.

tranquil solstice
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THEYRE still the ines that dictate how creation works. Magic, attributes, Magic items, planes if existance, races etc etc etc

calm crest
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They are not.

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They have influence, but not total control.

unkempt merlin
calm crest
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The Abyss, for example, is older than deities.

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They don’t determine its properties.

unkempt merlin
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If thats how deities worked, both the abyss and the hells wouldn't exist

tranquil solstice
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Yes, other immortals can challenge them. Ok, everybody dies.. Wecall go to where we belong. So...Who's in charge?

unkempt merlin
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no

calm crest
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Again, if anything, what you’re describing is closer to how it works in BECMI’s cosmology, which is different.

tranquil solstice
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Hmm, so deities dont dictate crearion of Artifacts?.

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Crearion*

calm crest
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They can make artifacts, but artifacts can be made by skilled mortals.

tranquil solstice
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that'that's not what I asked

calm crest
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Only in BECMI are artifacts fully the purview of Immortals, as they are defined as objects with Immortal power.

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And even then, they lose track of them all the time.

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tranquil solstice
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And iif An mortal creates one and the gods dont like it what happens? What does it say? They come and take it. By forforce if necessary.

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So?

unkempt merlin
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deities do not dictate many of the things you are claiming

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especially not in the multiverse as a whole

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For example, Deities have no bearing in Sigil, the center of the multiverse (as in: strictly not allowed)

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Nor are deities a thing in the world of Eberron

tranquil solstice
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TThey control whims allowed what.

calm crest
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None of this changes the fact that deities lack total control over the Astral Plane.

unkempt merlin
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unkempt merlin
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Eberron just doesn't have them

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(and never did)

tranquil solstice
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TThis Is al besides the point

calm crest
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How?

unkempt merlin
calm crest
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How is this beside the point?

feral lintel
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I think this is going in circles

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Are we allowed to discuss CR lore stuff here

unkempt merlin
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Exandria is an officially published setting. Well. Wildemount is at least

tranquil solstice
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I was helping that player understand why those mechanics would be like that. He obviously had the math and science down to a pat. What he didnt know, was why.

unkempt merlin
feral lintel
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crude blaze
tranquil solstice
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So by showing him lore, he would understand why humans can goto the astral plane for 1000 years and still only live 120 as an human

calm crest
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The “why” is simply because the Astral Plane is timeless or nearly so.

tranquil solstice
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Doesnt matter what eedition, because he'll know from what I taught him.

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yes, but no one told him that

unkempt merlin
unkempt merlin
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unkempt merlin
tranquil solstice
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by tteaching him Lore, he'll always understand now, regardless what edition hes in now

crude blaze
calm crest
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The entire discussion was about how the Astral Plane has slightly different interpretations of timelessness in each edition.

tranquil solstice
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Yes, the lore explains why. Its It's set up like this so DMS can explain why things are the way they are. Why are the mechanics like this? This is why

calm crest
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No?

jagged apex
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not everything does but there are differences

calm crest
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In some cases lore justifies mechanics, but in other cases, they are very much at odds.

unkempt merlin
jagged apex
calm crest
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For example, some Underdark settlements keep time by heating large rocks and letting them cool. With infravision, you could see the heat changing to identify the time. Even after infravision got phased out, these time-keeping rocks still exist.

tranquil solstice
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The wwhole, thecastral plane used to be timeless, now its warped, is ALL because Mortals are there. They cant become immortal by simply going to the astral sea. I wonder if the creators of the game ever thought about that at the desk, while debating what to do about clever, powerful players?? And whatvto do and how to do it while designing the game mechanics.

unkempt merlin
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no

jagged apex
unkempt merlin
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What you are saying about the astral is literally wrong anyway

Mortals are immortal when in the astral. They do not age.

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tranquil solstice
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that's not tthe Point

jagged apex
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and there are sometimes different kinds of immortality, which is why for aboleths for example, some will try to specify they are biologically immortal ie don't die of old age, sickness, ect... just getting a fatal wound that they don't get treated in time

calm crest
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Were the game designers sometimes antagonistic towards players? Yes, “Gygaxian” exists for a reason. Is that relevant to the lore channel? No.

unkempt merlin
feral lintel
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does that mean anything btw?

jagged apex
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besides the obvious?

unkempt merlin
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I can perhaps guess its meant to be related to the Briarwoods, but past that?

feral lintel
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Besides the obvious me being a Dhamphir yeah dndLol

feral lintel
tranquil solstice
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The point is, adventurer, real powerful, oh, timeless? I'll be immortal. Game writer, hmmmm that's a problem. How do we fix that? . Game mechanics will fix it. Oh ok. Oh, oops, it affects the games storyline now, oh, no problem, we will incorporate it into the multi verses LORE. I guess TSR and WotC were never smart enough to figure that out.

feral lintel
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?????

calm crest
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That’s not lore.

jagged apex
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also, depending on the edition, being real powerful and in a "timeless" plane by no means would mean safe or all powerful or anything like that

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they very much can still be killed

calm crest
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There are cases of mechanics and lore influencing each other, but speculation about the companies that owned D&D isn’t particularly relevant to the lore of the game.

jagged apex
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even being in the outerplanes, the afterlife proper, at least most recently, can be killed

feral lintel
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I still am not seeing how this is even related to lore at this point Medusae

unkempt merlin
feral lintel
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This channel isnt for mechanics

jagged apex
covert island
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Time to move on and go back to lore people

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Game Mechanics have no power here

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tranquil solstice
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Somebody in the Multiverse Lore, made the rules of how travel in the Astral Plane works. This isnt Lore meets mechanics?

unkempt merlin
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not with what you are saying

feral lintel
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You can always check out the wiki, but again, mechanics dont have power here

jagged apex
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yeah and when talking about a specific edition of a game you should specify it cuz each edition is effectively it's own continuity, not everything is the same edition from edition, the phoenix is a creature that serves as a good example between 5e and prior editions

feral lintel
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ik its an elder elemental here, what was it in older editions?

covert island
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Don't make me summon the Modrons. It's far to soon for the Modron March

jagged apex
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dnd is like dragonball, especially at this point, there is no 1 continuity, there are multiple, especially depending on specific editions

feral lintel
jagged apex
feral lintel
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Orcus, aye?

calm crest
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(The last time the Modrons were this early, Tenebrous Orcus was getting his claws dirty…)

feral lintel
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knew it

jagged apex
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and we know what happened to at least some of them now, will not specify as that would be spoilers for an adventure

feral lintel
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oh

feral lintel
jagged apex
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i know that in previous editions phoenix was a celestial bird of the upper planes, not a fire based elder elemental, that to my knowledge was/is a 5e thing

feral lintel
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oh, ic. More celestial based eh? makes sense

jagged apex
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in 3e it was a magical beast and could be found on the plane of Elysium

crude blaze
jagged apex
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yeah even in the source materials in our world it kind of rode the line between the fey and the divine, so kind of fitting the dnd version is similar overall

feral lintel
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Yeah, Unicorns do give off vibes for both

glacial field
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Oof sorry wrong channel

ornate flicker
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Lore: Humans aren't dwarves. But... Humans are real

calm crest
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…what?

half warren
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What would be the closest monster to a “night crawler” from x-men?

calm crest
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Blink dogs?

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In terms of things that teleport in combat.

fiery vortex
calm crest
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It’s a retcon. They’ve changed conceptually from nature-associated giants to tall guardians of nature.

reef cape
fiery vortex
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Ah

tepid scroll
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Ok. I’ve been reading… a lot of planar lore, safe to say my mind is melting. But now I’m confused about Ao and his relation to other planes. So is he just utterly impotent toward outer (and most inner) planes? How exactly does he govern gods if gods exist outside of Realmspace?

calm crest
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He governs their activities within Realmspace. Most of the deities under his purview are largely powerless outside of Realmspace, but some have notably made an effort at worship in multiple spheres as a result of Ao’s punishments.

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Ao lacks power anywhere other than Realmspace, though.

tepid scroll
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So… he governs gods that possess power out of Realmspace by just… maki my them powerless specifically within it?

reef cape
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Essentially, yes

tepid scroll
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I’m getting more and more lost in the source…

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Also… so are inner planes intrinsic and unique to individual spheres or are all shared among them like the outer planes?

reef cape
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It's complicated, and has been retconned multiple times

tepid scroll
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I’ve noticed.

reef cape
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But essentially, inner planes are like the material plane. So it's not that they're unique to individual spheres, it's more like there's one fey plane, but good luck travelling from the part of the feywild in Toril to the part of the feywilds in Oerth

tepid scroll
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So… they have all the same inner planes but they each have some weird kind of meta-layered planes that each belong to individual spheres?

crude kernel
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ik oerth, exandria, and faerun do, idk abt eberron or krynn

tepid scroll
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Eberron is a whole… thing so :/

crude kernel
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eberron is connected to faerun via the spine of the world! yippee

pallid flower
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they just wanted it in Eve of Ruin

calm crest
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At least they didn’t try to connect Mystara or Athas with V:EoR, that would’ve caused so many more cosmological headaches…

tepid scroll
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My questions are only multiplying, but I’ll ask only one more.

What on Earth is the goddamned astral sea? I’ve read at least thirteen conflicting accounts

calm crest
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The Astra Plane is sometimes also called the Astral Sea in the current continuity.

reef cape
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And sometimes the astral sea means space in the material plane.

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It's either one or the other. There are context clues that should help

crude kernel
reef cape
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Oh, and sometimes the astral plane and outerspace is the same thing.

calm crest
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In 4e, the whole cosmology was overturned, which completely reworked every plane, including folding the Astral and most of the Outer Planes into one Astral Sea. This has since been largely retconned.

tepid scroll
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So it is simultaneously two separate things that are actually the same but also not?

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That tracks

reef cape
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Look, continuity is a messy thing. Just take the definitions from the most recent books and, most of the time, there will be no conflict

calm crest
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Yarp.

tepid scroll
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Cause I’m still suffering here

reef cape
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And any attempt to try to make 4e lore fit into the lore of any other edition will result in pain and misery.

calm crest
tepid scroll
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I’m not struggling with the sea or plane part

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I’m in pain because I can’t tell if it’s the Phlogothon or the space between realms or both or neither or what on Earth

calm crest
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The Phlogiston, sadly, has been fully retconned out.

tepid scroll
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Ah

crude kernel
pallid flower
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“A copy of Player's Guide to Faerûn can be glimpsed in this image in the Eberron sourcebook Sharn: City of Towers, apparently cheekily suggesting the Forgotten Realms is a fictional world in Eberron.”

tepid scroll
# tepid scroll Ah

This is just making me more confused as to how the hell cosmology works

reef cape
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Most of the times it doesn't

crude kernel
tepid scroll
pallid flower
tepid scroll
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So if the Phlogiston no longer exists… was it just replaced by THE astral plane or AN astral plane or…? Good god I’ve been reading this stuff for hours and it’s not getting clearer

calm crest
calm crest
tepid scroll
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That’s not much of an answer.

calm crest
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There is only one Astral Plane.

crude kernel
reef cape
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Look, used to be that this was simple. You had the inner planes, including the material, at the center. You had an inner plane for every element, then one for shadow and one for nature. You had the outer planes, one for each alignment and quite a few between two alignments, and then you had the outest planes, negative and positive energy. Everything else was the astral plane.

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And every setting was in the material plane, just in a different solar system.

tepid scroll
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And now?

reef cape
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Now we don't think too much about it, because plenty of stuff came up.

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Just... Just imagine it's still the great wheel

tepid scroll
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My head hurts.

reef cape
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Just tell your head to stop hurting, it'll be fine.

jagged apex
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most settings unless stated otherwise share the same cosmology by raw though, so self contained cosmologies are the exception to what is otherwise the norm

jagged apex
jagged apex
# tepid scroll And now?

last i checked it is the same has incubus said above, the revised 5e stuff has not changed the structure of the current great wheel cosmology, though dnd uses the term "wildspace systems" instead of solar systems or spheres these days

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as the cosmology model illustrated in the 5e 2024 phb is functionally the same as it was in 2014, just with a new and more vivid depiction rather than just a mono toned sort of chart like you'd see of that one image with the human man with several limbs and a circle that is associated with perfection, forget what is called

tepid scroll
jagged apex
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i think

tepid scroll
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Ok. So after more reading I just want to clarify one last thing. I apologise for the many… many questions. Sometimes I see it referred to as THE prime material and sometimes I see the phrase prime material PLANES plural. Also since the separate wildspaces exist separately within the astral, would that make it… multiple prime material planes?

grim siren
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That was an early sentiment that has not really been repeated in more recent works.

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It made more sense when the Phlogiston and the Crystal Spheres still existed but 5E spelljammer's simplification removed those.

unkempt merlin
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5e has referred to it as both singular and plural when it comes to the material plane

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With the plural being a general shorthand for "the many worlds of the material plane"

tardy wasp
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Recently discovered Rao of Greyhawk was originally a lunar god (part of why the theocracy is known as VeLUNA), but I can't find anymore info on how that affected his worship. Is there any, or is that just background info that never got expanded on?

jagged apex
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probably at least a good place to start if you have not already checked

tropic nova
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If I'm looking for deep lore on Menzoberranzan, would the early Drizzt books be a good place to start?

jagged apex
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yeah, and the drizzt books in general, as the majority of the details we have now not just of menzoberranzan but also drow in the realms as a whole is do to the drizzt books

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prior they had like a page or a page and a half of lore at best, being more or less just some evil cave dwelling creatures to kill

tropic nova
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Thank you very much, I'm trying to write the backstory for a character but I realized I need to know way more about Menzo for it

jagged apex
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one quick freebie is it is one of the cities where their society is centered around lolth and her faith, most of the things surface dwellers know or assume about drow, is more often than not from drow from this city

tropic nova
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Oh I know that one, I'm going for a liberated Eilistraee Ranger.

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I kinda want it set up as the fall of his house got him put into effective slavery after being sold to a mercenary group specializing in hunting aberrations of the underdark

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Just unsure how exactly Drow Slavery works in Menzo tbh

jagged apex
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lol, sounds like he got off easy, surprising for a male in such a drow city

tropic nova
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Wouldn't be a player character without a little special characterisms, right?

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Really tho I'm viewing his interment as a pseudo penal battalion sort of deal. Either come back victorious or do not come back at all.

jagged apex
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eh, not necessarily, just saying is a bit of an oddity in the context of the published lore, far as i am aware the most likely outcome would have been death, as males in lolth worshiping drow societies have them more or less as second class citizens, they are barely above slaves in terms of their society

tropic nova
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I'm aware

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It's death past the second son, I know that

jagged apex
tropic nova
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Oh, no no

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He's not going to be Nice or Kind tbh

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How do I want to explain this

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I don't want to just be Drizzt again? So I intended on having him participate in the more grueling aspects of drow society prior to enslavement and particularly to being "free"

jagged apex
tropic nova
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Lemme find the thing I saw then

jagged apex
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so he often is the example for such senarios

tropic nova
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Cause on the wiki itself I've seen a passage about house members being taken as slaves for the capturing house?

tropic nova
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But from what I understand he's also pretty squeaky clean

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Left Menzo really early in life comparatively

jagged apex
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patron saint is a bit of a incorrect label i feel, more so the archetype people turn to for similar characters, as from what i am aware he currently does not really worship any god and is important to keep in mind saints are an actual thing in dnd

jagged apex
tropic nova
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I mean by Menzoberranzan Citizen standards tbf

jagged apex
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and back in 3e his personality describes him as a perfectionist by nature, which is it's own set of problems potentially

tropic nova
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I will, eventually, find that passage on the wiki

jagged apex
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and given his history, he can probably depending at what point in his history be summed up as a bit of a wreck, dude rarely gets happiness that lasts long, lolth enjoying his suffering, presumably why she does not just smite him even before Ao had gods become more hands off, like she enjoys that his existences angers her loyaler followers

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heck, it would not surprise me if every time he metaphorically gets kicked while he is down or flies into despair and grief, she at least cracks a huge grin

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back in regards to menzoberranzan though, we really only know a small handfull of their laws it seems, at least from what is docummented on the forgotten realms wiki

tropic nova
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I mean no offense when I say this but I'm not entirely sure how this makes him less clean then the average lolth sworn menzoberranzanarian or however you'd make that word mean inhabitants on menzoberranzan

jagged apex
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according to the forgotten realms wiki the term is "Menzoberranyr"

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no idea how to pronounces that though at best i can make a guess but no guarentee it will even be accurate

tropic nova
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I'd say it "MEN-zo-bear-an-er" personally but like

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Lmao idfk

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Yk if the drow really are a matriarchal society why isn't it Womenzoberranzan

jagged apex
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cuz elvish language does not = what they seem like in human languages

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that and it is named after it's founder "Menzoberra the Kinless, a powerful priestess of Lolth, founded the city that bears her name in −3917 DR" - cited as from page 153 of "The Grand History of the Realms"

tropic nova
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Alright yeah maybe I'm insane and I didn't see a passage about a former houses members being taken as slaves @jagged apex

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I can rework that tho, ezpz

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Wonder where I'm conflating that from

jagged apex
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yeah far as i can tell there are no drow slaves, hence why i described them as barely above slaves, they are treated similarly, but have rights to a degree even if few

tropic nova
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Appreciate it

jagged apex
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if i had to guess probably from that artwork that reads under it "A leashed male drow protects a female drow."

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maybe you just remembered that image and made assumtions based on that and what ever you could recall at the time

tropic nova
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Nah, it was explicitly words to the idea of "when a house captures another house, the captured house keeps it's last name as a mark of shame when being absorbed into the new house"

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Defo off the wiki, can picture the formatting

jagged apex
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well hopefully that gender roles thing helps, cuz given the way they are viewed they are effectively slaves in most situations, at least ot any female drow

tropic nova
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Nah I get that one

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I just really distinctly remember a passage that justified the original idea

jagged apex
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tricky thing about memory is it is not as reliable as we like to think sometimes

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but you could easily work with your dm to make it work in their take on the forgotten realms if you wanted to and they were willing, i am just pointing out and otherwise referencing the published lore, which you are not bound to unless you are playing like AL or something like that

tropic nova
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Oh nah, I like playing by constrictions

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I tbh am already reworking it

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As opposed to slave by label, slave by circumstance.

serene crater
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quick question for FR. Has there ever been an instance where devils would actively make a contract or work with a demon as long as it paid off in the long run?

jagged apex
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not to my knowledge

jagged apex
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do we know the way that the artifact known as Crenshinibon can be destroyed?, far as i can find there were at best only attempts mentioned and were less than clear

uncut yacht
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Curious, is there any deity in the forgotten realms that has some form of control or domain that reflects equal and opposite reactions to everything done by anyone?

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Like where a deity might cause a plague or storm, the hypothetical deity would immediately do something to reflect what's happened back, creating something of an equilibrium, I guess.

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If not, I'm about to homebrew me a deity of that.

jagged apex
uncut yacht
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Then it seems like I'm homebrewing.

fiery vortex
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Are Ao and Io sorta the same being ik that Io is the dragon over god and Ao is the other dude but from my interpretation they both made the cosmos/multiverse

crude kernel
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io is dead

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or more rather, not canon in modern dnd divinity/theology/cosmology?

fiery vortex
jagged apex
jagged apex
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he still exists, but was slain long ago on the world of abeir-toril before it split

jagged apex
# fiery vortex Wot

keyz is incorrect in this assumption, he very much is still canon, being no longer canon and being dead are two entirely different things

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such as one of the dragonborn origin myths and legends from 5e in sword coasts adventurers guide

crude kernel
jagged apex
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for gods death is rarely in the conventional sense in dnd so just remember just cuz a deity is killed does not mean they are no longer canon, plus there are multiple continuities to dnd

hybrid dagger
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I heard that, dragons will refrain from touching weapons that were crafted to kill them. Is there any lore bit like this?

jagged apex
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to my knowledge that is just common sense, like is pretty natural to me for a creature to avoid something designed specifically to kill them

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if there is some specific lore about it i am not sure of any such example

hasty orchid
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Anyone have any suggestions for D&D lore videos?

verbal bone
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Oh 418.

hasty orchid
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Damn. 418 just won't cut it. I really need 500+ lol

jagged apex
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though some times dungeon cast gets some things wrong, i'd personally suggest AJ Pickett

fallow leaf
hybrid dagger
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Are the Vistani clan from Curse of Strahd, also associated with Vecna?

crude kernel
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so yeah, it kinda got into my head that he was considered not canon because someone here told me had died in previous editions, and i misinterpreted that heavily

wet roost
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Can anyone explain how The Plane of Mirrors borders the Ethereal Plane? The wiki isn't helping me out too much.

calm crest
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The Plane of Mirrors is essentially a demiplane, which are housed in the Ethereal Plane.

wet roost
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Ok so it occupies the same space as all the other big name demiplanes then?

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The way they phrased it was a bit odd.

calm crest
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I checked the source cited by the wiki article and it wasn’t any clearer.

wet roost
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Weird, I will just roll with that interpretation then.

tropic nova
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Apologies if I'm missing something is the sourcebook, but when exactly do sorcerers normally start casting spells? The answer I seem to be getting is "basically whenever up to and including the sorcerer gene being activated by an outside force"

jagged apex
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there is no unified sort of thing for sorcerers it varies just like how you gained that power, is kind of the point, the power is innate

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think like mutations or x-genes in marvel comics and you more or less have a pretty close idea if you absolutely need something like that, but is not like any clear age or age range is given, least none that i have ever heard of

tropic nova
untold sandal
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is Avernus a plane? If we are talking about "within the same plane of existence" what is included if you are in Avernus? Is it just that layer? All 9? More?

grim siren
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Avernus is the First Layer of the Nine Hells of Baator

PlaneBaator

So if a spell like Sending which requires you to be on the same plane, you could theoretically send to someone in the Layer of Phlegethos.

feral lintel
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Krzzt
It is I, Levistus, here to do your weekly tax audit!

finite pendant
jagged apex
jagged apex
orchid elm
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What happens if a soul is trapped in the material plane against its will? It doesn't become a ghost at least, so what does it turn into?

ebon gale
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Depend id wager. You can be forced into lichdom

orchid elm
ebon gale
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it's one way to trap a soul in the material plane

orchid elm
ebon gale
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Tho i see you mean having a free floating soul but trapped in the mortal plane

orchid elm
ebon gale
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id have to be a ghost of some form or a wisp

orchid elm
jagged apex
jagged apex
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plus they are not strictly the prime material plane, they have at least 3 planes they have listed as "homelands"

orchid elm
jagged apex
jagged apex
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far as i can tell a ghost could simply pass their hands through the shackles if you did manage to get them on them

orchid elm
jagged apex
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no, it is an item that effects the creature physically

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only reason it does on say a fiend or celestial is cuz for them, their body and soul are the same thing effectively, supposedly do to the nature of the outer planes they live on

orchid elm
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I've opend a whole new can of worms now.

jagged apex
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like i said, this is just far as i know and from what i can find in published lore sources and the like, if there is any sort of such thing it is likely something i am not aware of or from a specific older edition

orchid elm
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But, I guess you're probably correct. Thanks!

vague ice
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are lesser fey named and known as part of the lore of FR? I'm looking to encounter a mushroom themed fey below archfey level.

jagged apex
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the 5e iteration of the leprechaun are very mushroom themed and there is at least one other such fey, they are annoying talking mushrooms, and as far as named, if you mean like as individuals, yes, most creatures have names as individuals if they have any sort of sense of self

feral lintel
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Annoying talking mushrooms
You wouldnt be reffering to the guys who sing, right? MGuraPenLightGun

jagged apex
#

though not every creature has examples, as they usually seem to give those to individuals of a certain degree of importance for lack of a better term

jagged apex
feral lintel
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i love those little buggers

jagged apex
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Campestri do not seem to have any notable individuals listed on the forgotten realms wiki

feral lintel
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I mean, those guys are just really dumb little guys

jagged apex
vague ice
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It's related to the character I'm building that picked a Fey's mushroom house. I'm making it so a bunch were picked that housed sprites and some more significant fry being is going to come exact revenge

kind swift
#

anyone have recommendations for good DnD novels? Preferably stand alone or short series available on audible?

So far I have read the origin trilogy for drizzt, the legend of Huma (a very odd introduction to dragonlance), the fallbacks book, both movie tie-in novels, and spelljammmer: Memory's Wake. I have started the Baldurs Gate 1 adaptation and the first actual dragonlance novel but both have been less than satisfying so far.

My favorites so far have been Memory's Wake, The Road to Neverwinter, and The Fallbacks book in that order.

vague ice
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A leprechaun might work. I'll look into that

jagged apex
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plus they are known for having relationships with druids so there is already some basis there, but pet in the more typical context like in our world, yeah that might not mesh well or could imply some negative and unintended things since it is a sentient being and a leprechaun is of similar size to a halfling, at least in 5e

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honestly i'd say leprechaun are too similar to people if you wanna avoid such implications or thoughts

vague ice
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No I don't want a leprechaun familiar 😆. I'm looking for a fey to curse my feet in my backstory to make my spore druid have gills on his feet.

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The campestri is separate. I think they are cute and I want one. Unrelated to the backstory and the fey curse.

jagged apex
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no idea what gills on feet has to do with mushrooms

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or fey even

vague ice
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Mushrooms have gills pretty often

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Anyway, except for one random picture leprechauns don't have anything written there related to mushrooms. I'll just make something up. It's only relevant to one characters past.

jagged apex
jagged apex
silver tartan
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Has anyone else thought about the element that makes adamantium, adamant, and mythirl so powerful?

jagged apex
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it is not an element

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in the case of some of those they are special for different reasons, and that is not the same as being powerful

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adamantine, yeah powerful is a fitting term, but mythirl, not so much

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also adamantium does not exist in dnd published materials to my knowledge at least is not something you can find documented on the forgotten realms wiki

silver tartan
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ah, my bad.

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I was specifically referring to the two different methods that are used to make adamantine.

jagged apex
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most of those that use the first method are dwarven smiths, the other involves a lot of complex magic

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and those dwarven smiths are specialized

silver tartan
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the materials would need to be the same regardless

jagged apex
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not true

silver tartan
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so we are dealing with two different adamantiums?

jagged apex
#

as the second method is far more vauge and literally uses magic

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and there are spells that can literally create things from effectively nothing in dnd lore

silver tartan
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yes

jagged apex
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both are adamantium, but the proccess are different, one we know in much greater detail

silver tartan
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yep

jagged apex
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the more sorcerous element we don't know the exact quantity and ingredients just they are "that created adamantine out of mithral and steel through complex and cooperative sorcery"

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we know mithral and steel are involved, but not how much or if silver and electrum are involved, and mithral is not even involved with the first one

#

so either way the materials are not the same, both use a material that is shared between the two, but the rest are very much different

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in my opinion can't get much more raw info than the man they literally ask and work with to make their version of his setting he created

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so there are supposedly 3 other combinations that we know nothing about other than the resulting product

silver tartan
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adamantium = 1 part adamant + 2 parts silver + 1 part elecrtum

electrum = gold + silver

adamantium = 1 part adamant + 3 parts silver + 1 part gold

also

Adamantium = mithril + steel

steel = carbon + iron

Adamantium = mithril + carbon + iron

1 part adamant + 3 parts silver + 1 part gold = x parts mithril + (iron + carbon)

if adamant = iron + carbon + (New element)
and mithril = 3 silver + 1 gold + (New element)

then

iron + carbon + 3 silver + 1 gold + (New element) = iron + carbon + 3 silver + 1 gold + (New element)

jagged apex
#

is very likely those other methods/combinations are vauge so that you can come up with your own for your take on the forgotten realms, which is not new for dnd lore to do, some things are deliberately left for you to fill in with your own ideas or interpretation

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dude i think you may just be overthinking this, cuz i am confused what that like chart thing or what ever is even for

silver tartan
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it's chemistry

jagged apex
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even sciences in dnd are not the way we traditionally view them in our own world, or at least they rarely are the same

jagged apex
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as in dnd the closest to such a thing is alchemy, at least in any published materials i am aware of

silver tartan
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but am i wrong? it would explain both methods and give us a potential new element to play with.

jagged apex
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remember, in dnd magic is a fundimental force of the universe, just like gravity, time, or space, that fundimentally changes many things from what we would know it as in our world

ionic rivet
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Also let's keep things here focussed on official D&D lore

silver tartan
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fair enough

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this is theoretical

jagged apex
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yeah if you wanna theorize or make stuff up, that be more a thing for #dm-world-building i believe

ionic rivet
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Yep - that would be a good spot to discuss how this works mechanically in your D&D world

jagged apex
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especially when there is nothing in published material regarding some mysterious element, even if it did follow the rules of chemistry

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else sounds more like for something to ask ed greenwood about, he is fairly good at answering the questions of curious fans of the realms

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be it on his twitter or his own discord server

jagged apex
# silver tartan it's chemistry

chemistry would really only be valid or relevant in dnd for it's version of earth do to it being a massive dead magic zone, far as i know anywhere else in dnd multiverse the closest thing is dnd's version of alchemy

frank marsh
#

Ahh forcebreaker

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This weapon really will make all martials smile

fiery vortex
#

Just want to check something a demi god is still a god in lore right unlike in other mythology or series being half human half god these are still technically full gods right?

calm crest
#

The definition of “demigod” has varied across editions. It can refer to a half-deity/half-mortal, but it can also just refer to a particularly low-ranking full deity. Either way, they fall under the quasi-power designation in the current reckoning of things.

fringe pilot
#

do aberrations have souls in FR?

frank marsh
blissful geyser
#

Hi! Making a character with strong links to Erythnul, god of war in Greyhawk. Looking for all kinds of established lore about him

forest rock
jagged apex
blissful geyser
wide nimbus
#

if i hold an action to cast a cantrip, will it be counted as castinf a cantrip for purposes of using the illusionist's bracers?

unkempt merlin
serene crater
#

Quick question but has there ever been a gnoll that wasn't tied to yeenoghu or defiant/aligned to another?

feral lintel
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In Critical Role, gnolls are just another race iirc. In FR, there has at least been one who wasnt bloodthirsty

serene crater
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Interesting

unkempt merlin
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Eberron Gnolls

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Obviously the setting doesn't have Yeen, but it has an equivalent.

The Znir Pact is a bunch of gnolls who broke free

jagged apex
fallow leaf
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I think the lore is that the gnolls used to have free will but a war from thousands upon thousands of years ago they had to make a bargain with yeenoghu to avoid extinction

jagged apex
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i literally linked the stuff in my previous comments, at least for the forgotten realms, but depending on the edition yeenoghu did not just steal gnoll worshipers from gorelik but even killed him

crude blaze
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Worth noting that (I’m pretty sure) as of 5E, gnolls of the Realms are explicitly Yeenoghu descended. They’re created from hyenas who eat the slain corpses of his and his prey’s followers. Which is likely why WOTC is leaning on making them monstrosities. They’re mutant hyenas.

jagged apex
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from what i am aware that is a in universe legend, least last i checked

unkempt merlin
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The FR wiki does not always present the 5e lore as "accurate"

From Volos

As the Lord of Savagery despoils the land, packs of hyenas trail him and feast on the victims until the dead flesh of Yeenoghu's prey leave them bloated and unable to move. Then, in a shower of blood and gristle, the hyenas transform into gnolls, which take up Yeenoghu's awful mission to kill and destroy anything in their path.

As creatures that sprang up in the wake of a demon lord, gnolls are creatures of savage blood lust, incapable of understanding or acting on any other impulse. They are extensions of Yeenoghu's will.

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As of 5e, Yeen is their creator
(Tome of Foes)

The Beast of Butchery appears as a great battle-scarred gnoll, towering 14 feet tall. Yeenoghu is the Gnoll Lord, and his creations are made in his twisted image.

jagged apex
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my understanding is there are 2 kinds of gnolls, those created by yeenoghu's method with the hyenas and those who are not

jagged apex
unkempt merlin
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Purely quoting the FR wiki will cause confusion as the FR wiki likes to not treat 5e as "true" lore for a lot of stuff. Because it does not like the concept of retcons

tidal steppe
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how are clerics functionally different from druids when it comes to the source of their magic

unkempt merlin
tidal steppe
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forgotten realms ig, im doing a homebrew setting anyway but id like to know the "default" lore if possible to have somewhere to start from

jagged apex
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in most settings, to my knowledge clerics get their magic from the gods and druids get it either from nature itself or just kind of passively from any nature god

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but if you want "default" your closest thing you are gunna get is the setting agnostic stuff

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so i would look at the 2024 phb descriptions of how their magic and access to their magic is described in the flavor/lore provided, though it will not nessissarily be much

tidal steppe
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ty

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the classes you can also find that info on their free rules 2024 versions on dnd beyond

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technically both have more than one source of their magic at least is what i get from the info provided there

jagged apex
# tidal steppe ty

and just incase you are unaware, setting agnostic means independent of any setting specific lore, is the closest thing you will get to default lore in dnd if i am being honest with you as most other lore is dependent on the setting in question

tidal steppe
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yeah ik, mainly looking for inspiration and stuff,

foggy flame
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For DND vampires, how do they create a minion via vampirism? Be it vampire spawn or otherwise, does it just require a bite/drain that doesn’t kill the victim?

jagged apex
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vampire spawn, that is a thing tied specifically to the death of a victims via their life draining

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far as i know minions in other senses don't really have anything to do with vampirism and more so to do with certain tactics, magic, alliances, ect... but not really anything specific to them to my knowledge

foggy flame
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Tyvm. Spawn it is, tyvm

wet flower
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Do vampires require blood to survive?

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In the forgotten realms setting.

wet flower
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Strange... How about vampire spawn?

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But do they die without it?

jagged apex
jagged apex
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and technically the blood is a medium for the lifeforce they drain from their victims, so you can argue it is part blood part life force that makes up their diet

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that is why you check the sited sources, the forgotten realms wiki is a consolidation of the lore in one easy to access place

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sure they paraphrase at times, partially do to legal reasons, but they are pretty good at being accurate to the lore with the cited info, is not like there is headcanons and theories making up the stuff on there

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also what you think and what is are 2 different things

pallid flower
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The wikis collect information across multiple editions. 3.5e lore may be inconsistent with 5e lore

fiery comet
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Is Manual of the Planes a good source for lore?

fiery vortex
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How does one make a portfolio like when a new god is born/created how do they gain a portfolio if it doesn't already exist

finite pendant
fiery comet
wet roost
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It has helped me, I recommend it.

finite pendant
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Like Mushu said, for Feywild then you might find Domains of Delight and The Wild Beyond Witchlight a better feeling and lore about Feywild. There is a 4e book about Feywild (Heroes of Feywild), but... it is more about Character Option rather than lore. There is lore about cities on Feywild, but they are using different domain in 5e (the wild beyond witchlight). So the lore is.... not that detailed.

For shadowfell, isnt there a 4e Shadowfell: Gloomwrought and Beyond? It might serve a better lore about Shadowfell. There are many other books about ghost and horror like Ravenloft, which probably serve a better lore book than Manual of Planes.

finite pendant
fiery comet
reef cape
fiery vortex
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Can tarasques die without use of like a wish spell

reef cape
fiery vortex
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it became the shadowfell at one point after she mixed it with energies of the negative energy plane if memory serves

jagged apex
# fiery vortex Can tarasques die without use of like a wish spell

lore wise the only thing that stops the tarasque's regeneration to my knowledge is a wish spell, but even then another wish spell can resume it, the tarrasque's regeneration to my knowledge in the lore is described as basically the most potent but very slow acting compared to say a troll

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though presumably that is the tarrasque on toril, not sure if all tarrasque are ment to be able to regenerate

jagged apex
# fiery vortex How does one make a portfolio like when a new god is born/created how do they ga...

it is a thing that simply comes with the status, in realmspace lord Ao gives the god their portfolio, Karsus, in the brief time he was a deity, was given the portfolio of hubris as i recall https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Portfolio the description given by the wiki shows is not really something that is created, more so determined based on the deity in question when they become a true detiy

jagged apex
jagged apex
reef cape
# fiery vortex I thought it was a lore thing :p

It's not, it's mechanic, and since it's mechanic from previous editions, it's retconned. Current lore is that you don't need wish to kill a tarrasque and never needed wish to kill a tarrasque

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feral lintel
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The rule of thumb is that unless a newer source goes against older lore, the new lore wins

quiet salmon
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Does Brandobaris have an official alignment listed in 5E resources? He's listed as Neutral in the FR wiki, but that's an unofficial source.

supple quail
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What happened to the Shard of Pure Evil?

jagged apex
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so unless something changing it has come out and nobody has gotten to updating it, far as we know in published materials in 5e they are of netural alignment

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the trick with the wiki is that you use it as a collection of resources and check the cited source for where it is located, nobody here ever really tries to use the wiki itself as a source itself

jagged apex
jagged apex
# reef cape It's not, it's mechanic, and since it's mechanic from previous editions, it's re...

eh, depends in the lore to my knowledge we have never seen anything that establishes it as no longer being able to regenerate, at least the one on toril, mechanics for statblocks and what not are not always intertwined with the lore especially those that are not relevant to combat, personally i am of the mind that the reason it is not mechanically represented in the current 5e version is cuz how long it takes for the regeneration to do it's job compared to the typical time a combat encounter these days winds up being, though not sure why it does not mention it's other abilities unless it is ment to be for an average member of the species and not specifically the one known to exist on toril, as historically there is more than one of it in the multiverse, there being a planet back in 2e that last we heard of had many of them living on it, this is one of those sort of problems the 2014 MM kind of suffered from as it kind of jumped back and forth between forgotten realms lore and setting agnostic lore for some creatures https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Falx

jagged apex
undone bramble
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Could someone help me understand how the plane of elysium works for the afterlife and traveling between the layers

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Specifically I know the river starts in the last layer so does it flow up or something?

And I remember hearing that some people can manifest their island to look how they want in the last layer too?

supple quail
jagged apex
jagged apex
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also to my knowledge he only used it so far as to get them from their old dead universe to the dnd multiverse

jagged apex
supple quail
jagged apex
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not to my knowledge

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in fact to my knowledge the last being to have the whole thing in the lore was Tharizdun, when he plunged it into the elemental chaos and created the abyss

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by the time anyone tried to claim it it was alreadying sinking deeper and deeper into the infinte planes of the abyss, basically making new layers as it went

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i think you may either have some misconceptions about the events in published material surrounding the shard of evil or are talking about a specific itteration but are not specifying which

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but to my knowledge ever since tharzidun was introduced he has been heavily tied to the shard and the creation of the abyss, to my knowledge obox-ob never used the shard himself once he manifested in the dnd multiverse

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to my knowledge presumably pazuzu managed to swipe a piece of it before it was lost to the abyss, giving that shard to asmodeus, who would go on to use it in the creation of his ruby rod, the demons constantly trying to invade the hells at least partially to try to take it from him

supple quail
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Welp, that mystery has finally been solved for me, still could have been worse if the Queen of Chaos made an alliance with the Mind Flayers.

jagged apex
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no idea what you are talking about cuz far as i know she has 0 relationship to the illithid and was doing this sort of thing before they and most other mortal creatures were around

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far as i know she has only ever worked with demons, not to mention there is no way their interests would even align

umbral summit
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where can i found out the lore about the D&D world?

jagged apex
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which one?

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dnd has many worlds, settings, ect...

fiery vortex
umbral summit
devout cliff
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OH! Dragonlance too

pallid flower
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They should all have wikis.

finite pendant
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Basic lore can be found on wiki

If that does not satisfy you, the more detailed/ official specific subject can be found on campaign setting books, other sourcebooks, and adventure modules.

cinder osprey
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Is it OK to ask in here about D&D related books such as R. A. Salvatore's Drizz't books?

jagged apex
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and of course the cited sources on those wikis

sly rose
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Does anybody know what real language is similar to dwarven/elven/dragonic etc with pronounciation?

last pawn
modest badger
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This would depend entirely on setting and AFAIK, the ones we have in Forgotten Realms for example are not clearly based on any real language.

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Greyhawk did seem to draw from some real languages for some of it's fictional languages, but I don't recall if the above were one of them.

sly rose
modest badger
last pawn
sly rose
sly rose
modest badger
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At this point we're getting off topic.

last pawn
modest badger
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If you want tips on world-building langauges for your game and how to run them as a DM #dm-world-building might be a good channel.

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Because this is no longer published lore.

sly rose
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That's why I had problems with only writing my character's name on english

grim siren
neon mortar
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Could someone explain the Astral realm to me? From what I have read, I picture it kind of like a bog with the silvery waters. Not a proper drowned place, but kinda empty as grey white clouds float by.

cinder osprey
cinder cloud
jagged apex
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the astral plane/sea is not actually the vacuum of space, but i do agree their idea of what it looks like lines up more with the ethereal plane if anything

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for more detail, schm0 already was kind enough to provide links to the relevant wiki pages

devout cliff
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Space is weird in D&D apparently breathable air just... attaches itself to objects? Like if you take a barrel to space it just has air floating around it?

neon mortar
cinder cloud
jagged apex
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i forget which but from what i am aware some civilizations in our own world that theorized about space used the term too

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and gravity in dnd space also is different from what you would expect based on our own world, much like air it is basically rooted in the largest object in space once you leave a planet

eager meteor
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a god gains power by being worshipped, right? what if his worshippers are charmed to worship him? does that count as worship?

crude blaze
jagged apex
# eager meteor a god gains power by being worshipped, right? what if his worshippers are charme...

gods also gain powers when things in the world occur that are in line with their portfolio, is why gods like bhaal, in addition to worshiping him, his cultists will often try to create mass murders to empower him, though this form of gaining power to my understanding is more short term than worship by mortals, like is comparable if not larger influx of divine power but it will be used up not long after, unless i am mistaken

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from what i am aware the worship has to be willing, even if it is out of fear, like with auril, as some people will simply pay lip service to some gods, but that is not really worship

wet roost
final hazel
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hey y'all

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i'm making a character that's part of the Lord's Alliance's forces in the Neverwinter branch.

I want the character to be the archetype of "always follow the rules" kind of soldier

so i wanna ask, what are some rules that would be present in the "Lord's Alliance Soldier's Handbook", based on their principles and objectives? Thanks !

jagged apex
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as the name implies the faction is very much an alliance between many forces, not an individual force/organization like say the harpers or the emerald enclave

final hazel
final hazel
jagged apex
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pretty much, at least to my knowledge based on published materials

alpine merlin
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Hey, I was wondering who/what sort of cross-planar villains there are in D&D? I'm trying to make a list of threats that could potentially show up in any campaign setting, like Mindflayers, Devils, Demons, Vecna, Acererak, etc.

jagged apex
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well Vecna is very much a fitting one i'd say, one could argue that a safe assumption are multispherical evil gods or the likes of demon lords and archdevils

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could also arguably classify the dark lords of the domains of dread such as strahd as fitting such a bill

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if wanting 5e specific ones, a good source would be "Minsc and Boo's Journal of Villainy" which is one of those extra life supplement/sourcebooks that wizards of the coast has put out over the years

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it covers at least 5 such villains that otherwise have very little about them in published materials

jagged apex
alpine merlin
alpine merlin
alpine merlin
jagged apex
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the mists sweep in people from pretty much anywhere in the muliverse

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mainly the prime material plane

alpine merlin
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Ah, gotcha. I mistook you.

tardy osprey
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Anyone knows if in previous D&D lore books is mentions what happens to Succubus/Incubus that die outside of their origin plane?
Devils return to the Nine Hells and Demons back to the Abyss... but Succubus/Incubus are tagged like "Fiend" in 5e

clever path
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Sucubus was explicitly categorically a demon back in 3.5 iirc

alpine merlin
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Succubi are a type of demon, yeah.

tardy osprey
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Oh, then that solves the matter, thanks

jagged apex
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as for what happens to them, same as any other extra planar being or if you wanna look for official statements, what ever plane matches their alignment

jagged apex
# alpine merlin Succubi are a type of demon, yeah.

yes and no, they have changed multiple times over the editions, 5e consolidates this by revealing that in the 5e continuity they live across the lower planes, some serve devils, some demons, and others neither

eager bay
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Who would win in a 1v1? Tiamat or Bahamut?

wet roost
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Is that a lore question?

eager bay
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Yes

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I'm not talking about their statblocks, I want to know in lore who would win

wet roost
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Bahamut (as Marduk) killed Tiamat so probably him.

eager bay
wet roost
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It seems like they had a scuffle in -1071DR

rain surge
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From my understanding; lore wise they should be on equal terms, but Bahamut is still a proper god, while Tiamat got downgraded to a lesser deity/greater devil

jagged apex
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but both to my knowledge are deemed necessities and do to their divine nature one is never gunna beat the other in a meaningful way, like we know Ao deemed bahamut's existence a necessity, the two are constantly at odds so in the grand scheme of things they are effectively at a stalemate

jagged apex
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tiamat being a devil or not is edition dependant and part of her status at that point in time

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also in 5e both are lesser deities in the forgotten realms, at least from what i am aware of and can find

jagged apex
modest badger
teal fox
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What do the Draconians of the Dragonlance: Shadow of the Dragon Queen look like? Are they just malevolent Dragonborn or something else entirely?

modest badger
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I think 5e's planescape did add a bit such as:

Mortals that die eventually have their souls return as petitioners in far-flung reaches of the Outer Planes. There, they manifest as idealized versions of themselves. These forms might be similar to the forms they had in life or be those of entirely different creatures. A petitioner or another Celestial or Fiend that is destroyed can reconstitute on a plane that shares its alignment after 100 years, or it might choose to become one with that plane and never return.
Morte's Planar Parade, p.4 which is odd but my provide a general rule for when the specific rule of dying on the specific plane that kills them (Abyss for demons, Hells for devils, Gehenna for Yugoloths) although this doesn't address still what happens to general fiends.

tardy osprey
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I remember having read about the Empyreans, but I had no idea about the Planetar angels o.o

frank marsh
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Can someone tell me how the red war start?

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And how the hell is it always Mulmaster getting hit?

compact rock
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Does wish get safer if the caster is more powerful?
Like theres all these demons and stuff selling wish casts but that sounds pretty dumb if they facing the 1/3 chance to never cast wish again every time

clever path
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No

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Also there aren’t many demons doing that at all and in fact there are no demons that can innately cast wish to my knowledge

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Also that 1/3 chance only applies to when you use Wish to do anything besides replicate another spell of lv 8 or less

compact rock
clever path
frank marsh
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Wish is wording. Nice DM will do it.
Whacky DM monkey paw it

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Cast heal spell on all of us.
DM: ok even the bbeg and his lackies are healed

jagged apex
jagged apex
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historically some non humanoids were susceptible, like gnolls, trolls, ogres, ect...

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though does not seem to be explained, just something that has come to be known, presumably by the observations of sages in universe

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careful, as that can lead you to one of two things, one of which despite the name are not lycanthropes

covert island
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@normal jay

Gunpowder could be found on Toril, but due to to powerful magics cast by the deity Gond the substance was inert.[10][15][note 1] On rare occasions, Gond would allow high-ranking priests of his church to divinely enchant gunpowder into a non-inert state, but never enough to threaten the dominance of smokepowder. These priests were willing to sell this gunpowder, but only to those that sought to use it for the greater glory of their deity.
From the forgotten realms wiki

normal jay
covert island
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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Gunpowder has a more encompassing explanation

Forgotten Realms Wiki
Gunpowder

Gunpowder or blackpowder[1] was a substance that existed across many worlds in the multiverse[3] that was similar to the magic alchemical substance known as smokepowder.[6][7][8][9] Typically...

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Gunpowder does work differently in each crystal sphere and some have it inert just as FR

jagged apex
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or wildspace system if you are going by 5e termanology

fathom rapids
covert island
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This is specific to FR yes

jagged apex
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the forgotten realms has alchemy, cuz remember, magic in the dnd multiverse is a fundamental force of existence, like only known system where there is just a massive dead zone is earth and presumably the sol system as a whole

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also Gond could presumably do this to gunpowder in any setting he is worshiped as a god in, if memory serves he partially did it cuz his followers kept accidently blowing themselves up more or less

fathom rapids
# covert island This is specific to FR yes

That wasn't my main concern. When you said that gunpowder can't react with things in FR, I thought there might have been a lore bit about just the general concept of chemistry not working in FR, and I was going to be very upset by that dndLol If its just a magic spell cast on gunpowder specifically, that's at least slightly more reasonable

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depends how you define "react" far as i know it is it will not ignite

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and again, chemestry as we know it is not really applicable to dnd in most settings, cuz magic DOES exist

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hence why you have alchemists and alchemy, cuz even with chemestry, you also use magic more often than not, most worlds with magic even root their tech in it, thus magical items

jagged apex
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heck, for all we know it was not a spell at all, just the divine magic and word of the god of craft and invention himself, at least in the forgotten realms

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powerful magics do not always = spell

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far as i can tell, though mystra was involved, the weave was not

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yes, but my point is despite their nickname, aranea and werespiders are not the same thing

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that is kind of one of the theories in universe

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it is attributed either to malar or selune, depending on who you ask in the forgotten realms

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malar typically for evil ones and selune for non evil, but nobody knows for a fact

cinder cloud
# jagged apex it is attributed either to malar or selune, depending on who you ask in the forg...

Selune is the goddess typically worshipped by good lycanthropes. Malar is typically worshipped by evil ones:

No one deity in the Realms truly had the condition of lycanthropy as a part of their divine portfolio, though priesthoods had conflicting claims on this topic as there were some gods often associated with the condition. Malar and Selûne were two such gods, believed to have in their portfolios evil and neutral lycanthropes respectively.[13] Of the two Selûne was the most closely associated, though worshipers of Malar would claim otherwise.[12]
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lycanthrope
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Selûne
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Malar

jagged apex
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what you do in your own games is up to you, here we merely can tell and talk about what is in published materials

cinder cloud
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If you'd like to get feedback on potential alternative sources for lycanthropy in your setting, try #dm-world-building

jagged apex
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even if it is your table's version of an existing setting, the above channel is still more fitting, as it is basically your take on the setting

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honestly depending on the editions it is arguably a bit of both, even if not explained why

cinder cloud
past verge
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Is it possible, lore wise, to cast astral projection from one of the inner planes?

compact rock
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Is everyone in a barbarian tribe taking levels in barbarian or is it more like avatars elemental bending?

jagged apex
jagged apex
jagged apex
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so in short, either yet also sometimes neither

main canopy
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But they might generally be beefier than your average commoner if you really want to give each tribe member a statblock

cinder cloud
pallid flower
cinder cloud
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Asking if an NPC uses PC classes or not is not a lore question, IMHO

feral lintel
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Thats mechanics

teal rock
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So I'm struggling to find out how much times passes in the Material Plane if you spend some time in the Astral Plane. According to the wiki 1000 years in the Astral Plane feels like a day?

jagged apex
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other way around

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1000 years on the prime material plane historically is equal to one subjective day in the astral plane, cuz time is so slow there that it is effectively still and is partially why you do not age

teal rock
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So entering the Astral Plane would automatically ruin your life if you had friends or family in the Material Plane.

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Right?

unkempt merlin
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time still passes ""normally"" in the astral

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You just don't age

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as in: if you stay there for 24 hours, it will still only have been 24 hours

teal rock
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Time in the Astral flowed at the same rate on a Prime Material plane but the effects of time were slowed almost to a stop―a thousand years in the Astral plane felt like only a day to the traveler. Hence, it was sometimes considered effectively timeless.
Doesn't that mean if you go into the Astral Sea and stay there for over 24 hours everyone you once knew in the Material Plane has died?

unkempt merlin
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no

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it means that you were there for 24 hours and 24 hours passed on the material plane as well

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You just aged significantly less

teal rock
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But the wiki says "a thousand years in the Astral plane felt like only a day to the traveler".

reef cape
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OK so I've had this conversation before. The wiki is kinda quoting the first edition manual of the planes here and, to be quite honest, it's not exactly a misquote but almost.

unkempt merlin
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1000 years still passed as normal

reef cape
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Back then I had to check the Manual of the Planes to find the actual origin

unkempt merlin
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You just only age a day

reef cape
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So, what the manual of the planes say is that "in terms of aging and wear on their equipment" (paraphrased, I don't have my copy), a year in the astral plane does the same as a day anywhere else

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The wiki's phrasing is somewhat misleading.

unkempt merlin
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thats exactly what the wiki says actually

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"the effects of time"

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it says that time still flows normally too

reef cape
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You'll have to admit that it's easy to explain why people can get confused with that phrasing though

teal rock
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Ah, alright. Thank you.

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Yes, because even if 1000 years feel like a day that would mean that a character had a particularly eventful adventure in the Astral Plane they would return in Material Plane with a very grim realization.

reef cape
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What do you mean?

unkempt merlin
teal rock
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I'm speaking about an hypothetical situation where the info we get on the wiki is 100% factually true and not out of context.

unkempt merlin
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that doesn't change the question?

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the wiki says what I just said

teal rock
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Even if you felt like a day had passed in the Astral Sea how much time would have passed in the Material Plane? A lot, right?

reef cape
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The wiki's phrasing can be considered ambiguous, but the correct interpretation is here. If "you spend a thousand years in the astral plane but you thought only a day happened" was a thing, yes, you would find yourself in a Rip Van Winkle situation

unkempt merlin
reef cape
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But the Rip Van Winkle situation is not a thing in the Astral Plane. Maybe in the Feywilds

teal rock
reef cape
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Out of context, the wiki's phrasing is ambiguous and rather poorly put-together. Perhaps someone should edit that to be clearer so that this misunderstanding doesn't happen again

unkempt merlin
teal rock
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Anyway thank you very much for the assistance, you literal handsome devil. This is going to be very useful info for my character who got stuck in the Astral Sea.

unkempt merlin
teal rock
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These words were missing from that piece of text which is very critical information: "in terms of aging and wear on their equipment".

unkempt merlin
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thats where my confusion is. Between this bit

Time in the Astral flowed at the same rate on a Prime Material plane but the effects of time were slowed almost to a stop
and the "considered effectively timeless", its saying that it feels timeless because the effects of time are slowed, not that it actually is

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thats all. not really trying to get in a full convo, was just confused

teal rock
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Anyway what are psychic winds? Are these literal winds or just waves of psychic energy?

reef cape
# teal rock Anyway what are psychic winds? Are these literal winds or just waves of psychic ...

Here:

Psychic Storms There are winds in the Astral Plane, but they do not usually affect the astral traveler. Clothing and hair tends to flutter backward during astral travel, but rarely do the psychic winds blow more strongly than a light breeze. But occasionally, pan of the Astral Plane flares up into a psychic storm that whips through the area, delaying travelers or driving them onto other planes. Psychic storms may also affect the minds of travelers. The storm itself usually brews up without warning. The Astral Plane darkens in one direction, and the darkness quickly engulfs everything in its path. Only those who move directly away from a psychic storm at a speed of 320 feet can outrun it. Others are overtaken by the storm. Those caught within the grip of a psychic wind might be blown off course and suffer mentally from the psychic turbulence of the storm. Though they are violent, psychic storms have consistent winds, so several travelers caught in the same psychic storm are blown to the same destination.

Manual of the Planes, third edition

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And then the book gives us tables on what the psychic winds to those who are caught

teal rock
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Thank you again!

compact rock
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Dad lore channel?

serene crater
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quick question in regards to demon lords. Is it possible for them to amass followers from other demon lords (an example being forcing a demon of orcus and demogorgon to work alongside each other)

teal rock
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Demon lords may often be impulsive but personally I believe they aren't afraid to turn trickery and cooperation in certain situations.

feral lintel
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as long as it doesnt hamper them too much

teal rock
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Certain demon lords are more likely to do that than others probably.

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Anyway... do we have any information on what kind of diet loxodon have?

feral lintel
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from that i remember.... nothing. Not even in MtG, but i suspect its a vegy diet

teal rock
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I assume few races are strictly carnivore or herbivore. At least talking about information that we have on books.

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Hobgoblins are another race that we don't have information on, right? Or even goblins and bugbears.

feral lintel
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we have a lot from Tome of Foes

pallid flower
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They’re humanoid, so I’d assume omnivore

feral lintel
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yeah, but Loxodon

teal rock
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Aren't lizardfolk carnivore humanoids?

feral lintel
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yeap

teal rock
jagged apex
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goblinoids, at least the lower goblins also are known for eating fungus from what i am aware of and other food that often would be too foul for other humanoids

jagged apex
jagged apex
drowsy wraith
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Anyone know Greyhawk lore? How does one pronounce Tenh?

drowsy wraith
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Also is there hockey in Greyhawk

jagged apex
thorn raptor
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So are the warlock subclasses just based on different types of beings giving you power?

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how exactly does that work?

feral lintel
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up to you and your DM to flesh out

thorn raptor
feral lintel
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Thats not really a lore question

thorn raptor
feral lintel
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A convo for you and your DM

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feral lintel
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Then thats something you do just really need to decie on

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this channel is for official printed lore

thorn raptor
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okay, where do I go in this server to ask about something like this to get other people's opinions?

feral lintel
teal rock
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Do loxodon have tails?

light cradle
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If they do it would probably be a significant cultural thing because elephants use them for all sorts of social interaction stuff

teal rock
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Their language already allows them attribute titles to a name by simply pronounce the name in a certain way.

uncut yacht
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I know I could look this up in the wiki but I think it'd be more fun to ask here.

What dishes, other than what we eat irl, would be had on birthdays?

orchid kelp
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hey anyone around?

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any experts on the Yuan-Ti?

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🐍

clever path
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depends what you need

orchid kelp
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i've heard of the Viper Longsword

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and the Naga Crown

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but are there some other fun ones

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what have you used in your games

clever path
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same as any other culture. which is to say they just have/make whatever the dm says. they dont have a thematic specific item

orchid kelp
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and they do have thematic specific items such as the Viper Longsword

clever path
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They do not I just said that

orchid kelp
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i was just curious if there were any you knew from your own experience

orchid kelp
clever path
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And I don't run homebrew so I haven't used any in my games. there were Yuan Ti in ToA but the items they had would be official content spoilers

clever path
orchid kelp
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and you'll see exactly what i mean

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towards the back of the book it drops magic items

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but i was wondering if there was more or homebrew ideas you had thought of

clever path
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this isnt a place for homebrew, and this also is more a question for the DM channel now

orchid kelp
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then we shall conclude the discussion for now

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but anyone else who wants to talk about Yuan-Ti and lore hit me up

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🐍

drowsy wraith
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There's a nation in the DMG named Tenh. How do you pronounce that? It's perfectly wedged in between the Hunting Lands and the Bandit Kingdoms so I think it'd make a fun starting location to a campaign.

modest badger
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I'd assume 'Ten' as it's based on Arnesons 'Duchy of Ten' (Named so because it was a council of ten people ruling) from the Blackmoor DA (Dave Arneson) Basic D&D series, with only a slight spelling change to make it fit into Greyhawk

drowsy wraith
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alr cool thanks

feral lintel
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Where can i find info about Jallarzi? Cant seem to find her page

crude blaze
trim talon
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random af question that probably cant be answered but how tf would you access the feywilds for even a moment in a realm that is uh, lets say without spoiling anything, controlled by a blood sucking man

jagged apex
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you wouldn't

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to my knowledge the feywild and shadowfell are not connected directly, much less the domains of dread which is an isolated section of the shadowfell in the 5e continuity

trim talon
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great...

timid basin
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question, is it possible someone take the soul of another being thats still living in DnD? would this kill them or merely remove their free will and personality

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and would this be possible to do at a large scale, if so how

dark pike
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But you can absolutely make up a spell, item, ability, or ritual that allows it

timid basin
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I mean like anything in lore, a monster that can do it or ssomething

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not something a pc could interact with

dark pike
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Not that I can think of but other folks might have ideas

serene crater
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I believe a demilich can do something of that extent as well as the night hag. Though with the first one it's more if in physical contact with the skulls gems, while a night hag steals souls in her sleep that she has corrupted and puts them into her pouch

timid basin
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the closest thing I could think of is how the absolute operates in BG3's version of 5e but im specifically trying not to copy from that games plot

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beyond the whole secret conspiracy to destroy free will thing

dark pike
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Strictly speaking the night hag kills her target when she takes the soul, but no reason you couldn't change it or add a special item/power that allows it

timid basin
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which is most of it I admit

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basically im trying to game out the Aboleth master plan

serene crater
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yeah, thats the main thing. taking the soul of a creature doesn't typically leave them alive

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enthrallment is a thing which coorelates with mind flayers, aboleths and such but it doesn't necessarily affect the soul rather than the mind

timid basin
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to me easiest way to kill the gods that smote them would be to destroy the souls that worship them, and since the gods stand in the way of Aboleths reclaiming their empire finding a way to destroy souls under their noses would be the game

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infiltrate the top, operate in secrecy until you stack the deck, then destroy everyones souls in a coup de grace

fallow leaf
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I'm kind of not a fan of the idea that common language is the same across every universe because it's from sigil

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like, i understand that a multiverse traveling game means that there'd be different language barriers but
I assume most people aren't playing a multiverse traveling game

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idk maybe it's just one of my billion gripes about multiverse everything that wotc is doing

cinder cloud
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It then spits out the body which rises again as undead.

jagged apex
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at least to my knowledge

spare smelt
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If druids and wizards can increase their lifespan through magic, how come paladins can’t

jagged apex
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who says they can't?

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can't and don't are not the same thing, potions of longevity use to be a thing, magic includes magical items, so seems likely that paladins merely choose not to try to prolong their lifespan

feral lintel
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Is there some kinda of elemental thats made up of the 4 other ones?

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Like an elemental that is made up of fire, water, air, and earth

pearl karma
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Maybe the Elder Eye?

feral lintel
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Oh, Tharizdun?

main reef
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Hello how is everyone may I ask a question on D&D race height?

feral lintel
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which one in particular?

main reef
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Kobold my apologies

main reef
jagged apex
# main reef Kobold

back in 3.5e, and to my knowledge this has not been retconned by later editions, kobolds in dnd have an average height of 2–2.5 ft (60–74 cm), and average weight incase you are curious of 35–45 lb (16–20 kg)

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feral lintel
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Is there a classification for Time dragons?

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like how theres Chromatics, Gems, and Metallics?

calm crest
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Planar dragon.

jagged apex
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no

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they are what are known historically as Epic dragons

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the other two major members have yet to be reintroduced after being made extinct, the force and prism dragons