#💬-general-feedback

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gritty falcon
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In reality most players never realta bombed, we dont even have separtist events anymore , most players dont even have GG making this moot and many whales dont even pvp. In other words this issue doesnt affect a huge portion of the player base, at all

gritty falcon
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vast majority? no

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in fact, the vast majority of players are happy with the change

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i spoke to 2035112 players yesterday and they support the change

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great work scopely!

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same to you, since you seem to know what the vast majority of players want

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And yet people expect us to believe them when they say "most" or "a majority" or "a vast majority" of players feel a certain way about a game

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yes, hundreds is a good amount

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but in the grand scheme of things, a tiny fraction of the overall gaming playerbase, which is estimated in the hundreds of thousands

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if we want to be logical about this, scopely needs to assess how many players this actually impacts, whether their concerns are valid vis-a-vis the concerns of people who may hold a differing view, and then make an informed decision

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ramming a change down scopely's throats on the pretenses of "we all want this" is wrong

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i'm not saying this is like accurate, but 400-500 downvotes out of 4,000 is still only 10%

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or, a minority of players

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i'm sure a lot more people are upset about it, but nobody here knows that number or even has any way of approximating a guess

karmic bear
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@delicate sentinel return the burn mechanic to how it always worked.

swift steppe
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I can't overexpress my complete disgust that I have to do a bunch of Franklinc research in order to do other research!!! I don't have the worthless ship and I don't want the worthless ship. A bunch of crap!

cobalt gust
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its not worthless to most

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and when repair costs become a factor, its a good fit for what it does

swift steppe
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A huge amount of grinding for very little payoff as far as I'm concerned

cobalt gust
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lots of grinding is for every ships

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payoff for me will be the cheap 3 dailies done

swift steppe
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For almost nothing

midnight pilot
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@gritty falcon 70% of player base don't use discord %10% of players watch content creators 1 or more.

So 70% of players are still in the dark as still no ingame announcements

cobalt gust
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20k trit, or 240k trit for repairs? Which do you want?

tepid robin
nova sierra
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Am liking the new streamlined discord layout 🙂 however some of the channels are duplicating things already on lcars or vice-versa [depending on which way you look at it lol ]

celest scaffold
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@gritty falcon “In reality most players never realta bombed, we dont even have separtist events anymore , most players dont even have GG making this moot and many whales dont even pvp. In other words this issue doesnt affect a huge portion of the player base, at all”
Almost everything you said here is false. The only shred of truth is the part about not everyone having enough GG shards. And stop trying to speak for the “vast majority of players”. Speak for yourself and don’t give anyone flak for speaking their mind. And it is far more than 5 people. Perhaps you were not being literal, but if you were, 5 is far to low for the number of comments posted about this in recent days.

void spade
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I never said I will leave...

It's as always as it looks like your completely confused buddy...

I'm sorry for this 😅🙈🤷‍♂️

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So you lied about that the realta don't shots, I show clearly that this isn't true but hey, your point if the realta don't shots is fair but, come on, if the whales ship get damage while he is online and playing (otherwise he couldn't attack to cause the 50% issue) than he don't deserve any better, is he!? Nobody is forced to stay in a swarm of hornets, is he??

tepid robin
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That person is desperate not to have burning back. That was a massive wall of text and the number of posts on the main thread yesterday was astonishing.

I suspect they were Realta bombed and was probably the one who cried to Scopely about it

void spade
# gritty falcon In reality most players never realta bombed, we dont even have separtist events ...

This is so ridiculous...

You undermine your own position constantly 🤣🤣🤣

You by yourself wrote

"In reality most players never realta bombed..."

So, WHERE IS THE F*CKING PROBLEM DUDE???

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Btw this arguments are typical for victims of "big ideas"

People with that mindset would easily vote against taxes for millionaires while they self are at the borderline for poverty only because they got suggested "one day, one fine day my dear, you will be there and have money like Bill Gates!!"

I don't want to irritate you but "for the majority of people" it turned out they should care about their actual situation with a slightly look in the future 🤣🤣😉🤷‍♂️

"You will be a whale someday! What would you think if they would annoy you then?" it's so simple...

To be a whale is possibly comparable with the lottery!? Everyone can win, but not all 😉🤷‍♂️ if all would be whales there wouldn't be whales at all...

You need more "wise words" or thin phrases?? I could deliver but this would also mean I would slide "slightly" in this trolling role that you fit in so nicely 😅😅

I think I shouldn't do that 😅🤷‍♂️

gritty falcon
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This has nothing to do with millionaires, whales, or bill gates

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Its a tiny minority of the STFC community make as much noise as possible in the hopes of giving the impression that a great many players are upset about this burning change. In reality its a couple of hundred players out of hundreds of thousands of players, most of whom dont even know about this change

gritty falcon
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Its really a non issue for the vast majority of players

gritty falcon
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Like when only 400 or so players care about an issue

void spade
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Is it in range of possibility?? Maybe?? That the "majority" doesn't stand up against this BECAUSE they don't know about?? Or BECAUSE they are not here?? Or they don't know about the mechanic at all??

Think about that...

gritty falcon
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But make it seem like its widespread in the hopes of fooling others

karmic bear
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Anecdotal as it may be, I haven’t encountered a single player that was pleased that the mechanic went away other than the three top power whales on my server...

gritty falcon
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If you personally have an issue, make it a personal issue

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Dont go around with wild claims like “everyone” or “most” hate it

gritty falcon
void spade
gritty falcon
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The fact remains...only 450 downvotes out of hundreds of thousands of players

karmic bear
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What makes your assertions that few players care more valid than the assertions of those that are saying that most players care? You have no more solid statistics than anyone else...

gritty falcon
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What we do know is 450 downvotes

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What we do know is hundreds of thousands of players

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Doesnt look good

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At best, most dont know or care about the change

karmic bear
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That may be a fact, but it’s totally cherry picked and totally not an accurate depiction of the community as a whole...

gritty falcon
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It is accurate

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Because most players dont have georgiu and we havent had separatist events forever so its a non issue for almost every player

void spade
karmic bear
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Rev deuce had a video decrying the loss of the burn...it has 1.2k upvotes, and 20 down votes...

void spade
karmic bear
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But every server has whales, and everyone gets attacked by more powerful players...so it’s still totally applicable...

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I can only assume you’re a whale and are trying as loudly as possible to discredit the popular opinion in hopes of personal gain...

gritty falcon
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We had exactly two separitist events in 2020 (this discord was up in arms over lack of separtist event for most of 2020, which im sure u remember)

gritty falcon
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I pressed like also for his youtuve numbers

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Also, most people dont even have territories making realta bombs a non issue since ur not event competing against whales

gritty falcon
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Just hitting you with facts

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450 downvotes out of tens thousands of players on this discord and hundreds of thousands in the game

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A tiny percentage really who actually care

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And you want to talk about talking loudly? Why is it that everytime i talk on the subject the same 3 of you come here repeating yourselves? Pick a representative and have one speak on your 3’s behalf thanks

void spade
# gritty falcon Lol no

Lol yes 🤣🤣🤣 it was literally weeks ago. Can't tell you the exact number but 2 times in the year isn't true at all. I'm pretty sure it happened 3 times since I have my sally and before this I did it with the burning technique at least 2 times...

gritty falcon
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Awesome

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Pick a number stick to it

void spade
gritty falcon
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Yet here you are?

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Scopely, im sure youre already aware, but - Burning change: 450 upset players / tens of thousands on discord / hundreds of thousands of players

red rampart
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Actually there's an easy compromise. If your ship gets a shot off and burning procs (even if your ship is destroyed), burning applies. If your opponent kills you before you get a chance to shoot, there is no burning.

gritty falcon
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That’s the logical solution

sharp summit
hearty ferry
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Are lvl24 and lvl25 being bracketed together for tomorrow's mining event, even though lvl24 cannot access the new latinum research due to pre-reqs requiring lvl25?

vapid plinth
void spade
gritty falcon
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Its what some would call an exploit

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In what world can a level 1 take down a level 50 ship?

sharp summit
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In what world would 5000 paper cuts not hurt?

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In what world does a river forge its own path?

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Its called time and erode

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The exact same thing applies to this - time and erode

gritty falcon
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No

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Youre making a false comparison

sharp summit
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By removing this mechanic - that has worked for 2 years - scopley have removed this

gritty falcon
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Its a new usage of the mechanic at issue

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Not burning as we knew it 2 years or even 1 year ago

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The issue is specific to GG plus Realta

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The analogy would be closer to 200 fishing boats ramming against an aircraft carrier

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Eventually you would cause serious damage to the aircraft carrier

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But whats missing here?

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In the real world youve lost two hundred fishing boats at great cost and expense

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Realta? Costs you zero

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Nothing

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No cost to the atracker at all

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No speedups no resources

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Thats the problem

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Its an exploit of a game mechanic made feasible with the introduction of GG

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Just call it what it is

sharp summit
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Time and erode

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That is what it is - and it sucks

gritty falcon
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Time and erode is supposed to have costs

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Not be a simple insta repair

sharp summit
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Removing a tactic that still works by using Nero (granted not as effectively) but it still worked.
What about the time effort and money that have been put in by players who have Gigi that should now be also overlooked?
No.
I disagree with you.
I see more people arguing to #returntheburn than I do for it to stay the way it is
I’ll leave it there

gritty falcon
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At least not often enough for it to have been worthwhile

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If youre going to do the time and money argument, whales have spent far more money for their g4 ships which shouldnt be cheesed by realtas, a level 1 ship, but lets not go there

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The fact of the matter is, we had a good burning mechanic, that was exploited by a small group of players who had georgiu (a very small percentage of players have georgiu), who is absolutely necessary for effective realta bomb

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And now Scopely got rid of the perfectly good mechanic because of the actions of a few

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And this is why we cant have nice things

hearty ferry
nova sierra
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#returntheburn

hot dirge
hot dirge
gritty falcon
hot dirge
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Was curious who likes your bs.

gritty falcon
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😂

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Are you the type of guy that obsseses over who hits like on instagram or facebook? Thought only teenage girls did that

vapid plinth
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The only way I've seen the burn tactic used is when whales bring their Bentleys into a hive or hostile territory zone.

So if they stay long enough to take substantial damage, in their Bentleys...in a no parking zone, who's really the dumb*ss?

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Seems like..."Bubba Gump" level common sense.

tepid robin
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For sure. Leave your Lamborghini in a rough area long enough and someone is going to get out the keys, maybe even remove the tyres.

gritty falcon
gritty falcon
vapid plinth
gritty falcon
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So thered be consequences to throwing rocks

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The realta is your fantasy zero cost zero effort zero consequences rock

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Only exists now in your fantasies

vapid plinth
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I can tell by the speed of response that no real thought has been put into the reply.

gritty falcon
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Naw takes little time to digest

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And, really, dont throw rocks at expensive cars

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You will literally spend the rest of your life paying for repairs

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Some dude backed his stupid car into me two years ago bc i honked at him lol

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Begged me not to send the car to getmany for a 6 month repair

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Rental ferrari at $3,000 a day rofl and insurance wouldnt cover bc he literally drove into me to hurt me

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I sent the car to germany bc im a dick

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Begged and offered me $1,000 a day in cash if i refused the ferrari rental

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I took the ferrari

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Dont mess with expensive cars thinkkng its funny

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It will ruin you

vapid plinth
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Don't park expensive cars in the hood...they could end up on blocks...lol

gritty falcon
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You do so at your own risk

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No mercy from me if someone messes with my property

vapid plinth
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¯_(ツ)_/¯ some people just don't see others as a threat.

gritty falcon
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Yeah some people dont respect the law

vapid plinth
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My original analogy still stands.

gritty falcon
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that you should be able to committ the in-game equivalent of a crime? sweet

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(not that i viewed realta bombs as a crime, so i'm confused why you're making that analogy of a car getting ganked in a ghetto)

nova sierra
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<@&509690795536941056> whats the latest info on the Burn and the switch of rewards on the premium battle pass. I know you guys don’t work on the weekend but honestly it’s been hectic. Could we have some direction on how you plan to address these issues please?

vapid plinth
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Synopsis:
I parked my expensive vehicle/ship in a hostile area (ie-territories) knowing that my ship couldn't be challenged in any meaningful way and may blindly get some easy power destroyed padding to boot.
Meanwhile, the local alliance uses a tactic to annoy or disrupt me from my shenanigans and I'm not mentally accute enough to accept that maybe I should remove myself from the situation.
Instead, I stay in the hostile territory, even though I know I'm being damaged because I've invested enough into the game and feel I'm entitled to not take damage for lack of poor judgement.

steady jewel
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Server 36' trying to logon in New England area of USA, timing out, 7:45 est, Monday, 18 Jan 2021. Thanks Scopley! Simply the best game server support. Just awesome 👎😕

tepid robin
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There are some weird people about for sure. Imagine bankrupting a poor man just because he had a momentary anger sesh. His wife, kids, all suffer because one arrogant sot decided to be a ****. Bring back the burn, please Scopely. It ain't much against people like that.

gritty falcon
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i left out some of the funnier details

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so immediately after he rammed me, he came out swearing at me for honking...maybe he thought he could intimidate me into saying sorry and letting him off

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if he apologized, claimed it was an accident, i would have let him off actually

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but nope, he doubled down

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good thing i had a blackbox so i could prove he intentionally rammed me with his car, making it a criminal offense, sorry no insurance coverage

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otherwise he probably would have been a dick about it and tried to say i rear-ended him (which may be what he was playing for, but nope, blackbox)

crude sandal
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yikes, yeah - without witnesses insurance generally land on the side of the guy with damage to the side or rear

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hard to do that if you have a thing that says you were immobile at the time

gritty falcon
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a little secret for certain people who own supercars...they all want the next big thing...they want to replace their current one for the new model...but it costs money...a lot of them secretly dream of getting into a car accident

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not their own fault of course

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but something substantial enough so they can get the next model for free

vapid plinth
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He'd have been better off just putting it in Park and sitting there.

gritty falcon
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and it's really easy to get a write off on a supercar...slight frame damage is cause for total write off

crude sandal
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And this is why I drive a ford bmax 🤣

gritty falcon
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so if you see a supercar on the road, avoid...do not get close, don't try to get a closer look

crude sandal
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Well, no, my daughter is why I drive a bmax... before then it was a VW Lupo

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But car seats do not go well with 3door cars 🤣

gritty falcon
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worst case...you send it to Europe for inspection on special freight...over 10K just to ship, and it takes weeks to arrive...then it sits waiting its turn, then the full inspection...so you're looking at 1-2 months just to complete the inspection

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all the wihle you're renting out an equally priced car at daily rental prices

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after 2 months, "oh car needs to be totalled"

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ROFL worst.case.scenario for the guy who caused the accident

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avoid avoid avoid

hardy socket
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<@&509691205798592532> can we get bahbah’s and zabagiz’s conversation out of general feedback?

crude sandal
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Because they really need more returntheburn spam? 😉

gritty falcon
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enh party pooper...back to spamming burn memes

nova sierra
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I’ve got us started

tepid robin
chrome vortex
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#returntheburn

gritty falcon
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wow best advice ever from DJ

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"if you can't afford 7 parsteel, delete the game"

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rofl

vapid plinth
frail geyser
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Seriously? Every single damn event is Fn mining? Piss off Scopely

craggy egret
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#ReturnTheBurn

vapid plinth
karmic bear
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Also, what’s up with the buggy notifications? Sometimes you get notified you’re being attacked, other times...nada...

sharp summit
vivid nebula
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Return the rare gas

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(And the burn)

void spade
void spade
void spade
last nest
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in most games if a level 50 is offline just sitting there a level 1 could kill them

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just like this game

covert kite
last nest
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wouldnt take 2 hours in every other game

stable timber
covert kite
# stable timber I kinda doubt they threatened you, if they did send proof

so a bit hyprebolic, Please know that repeatedly asking for the same concern can lead to the rejection of your ticket. -- I was not asking for the same concern, I was raising the issues that led to the concern which were never addressed. Rejecting valid tickets, when they are not addressed, is a terrible way to treat your players though. Particularly when support is not even reading the issues being reported accurately.

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In this case, the issue was raised on 10 Dec, and the underlying problem has not been addressed yet trying to get that addressed was met with threats of rejecting the ticket, vs addressing the problem.

void spade
# covert kite In this case, the issue was raised on 10 Dec, and the underlying problem *has no...

This behave is known...

They absolutely ignored some parts of my tickets more than one time and closed it without even answering or give the chance to react to their bs standard answers...

I've made a big appearance cause of this and since that time not one single ticket is being closed from their side..

They try to do so cause most players didn't stress themselves with such things and simply give up...

stable timber
# covert kite In this case, the issue was raised on 10 Dec, and the underlying problem *has no...

I don't know the full context of your ticket, but depending on how you went about it this to me is a valid information to receive.
The official communication is that they systems sends all notifications out correctly (we can't verify this but it is reasonable to assume this is true).
Those notifications then go to an external system, which is how mobile notifications works (which are run be Apple/Google).
Those may get delivered to your device (sometimes on time or somtimes not a all, all agreements state that there is no guarantee of delivery).
Then the app receives it that displays a notification (can be done differently but I think this is how they do it).

Now we have 2 possible failure points, third party service or the app itself (both of which is not really possible for us to verify).
But maybe a bit of additional context, mobile notifications have been an issue for me for a very very long time, and I can't remember a time where they all worked perfectly.
Discord is the latest failure, which has been delivering notifications about 12-24hours late for me.
The amount of variables involved is high and it is a diffcult problem to solve and/or debug.

covert kite
# stable timber I don't know the full context of your ticket, but depending on how you went abou...

Except in Scopely's own words, not all notifications are sent the same way, some, like repair notifications and zero node notifications are generated locally on the device (their explanation in the ticket response) -- strangely enough, Scopely is the only app I have notification "failures" with.

Considering in a years time, we still can't accurately see an armada's total power w/o clicking on all ships involved, then going back into the armada screen... and the continuously growing list of bugs in the game... Occam's razor would dictate the problem is not "with everyone else" but with the single entity involved in all the failures.

stable timber
covert kite
# stable timber I was referring to remote notifications. Local device notifications which includ...

I'm aware you said its not your only problem, but it is mine, and this problem only started shortly before I opened the ticket issue, prior to that it worked as intended... Seeing as how others have also reported this specific problem and the problem continues to this day... it's safe to say the likelihood of a failure on their side is extremely likely. Basic troubleshooting principles have ruled out everything else in my case.

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I have even enabled notification history at this point so I can go back and see I only ever get the local ones... while no changes have occurred on my device, or setup beyond routine security updates. All notifications are still enabled, etc etc.

opaque jungle
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<@&509691611903426561> so for all the talk about the huge expense those with G4 ships have to pay to repair them. How about making it so if your alliance is joined in to a territory capture event you alliance members get a discount on ship repairs for the duration of the event.... would make it so those actually joined would have a bit of an advantage over those players who are "helping" and would benifit everyone participating but would give large players a bigger discount.... anyway Im still hoping to see burnig returned to its previous mechanics... i also think an officer who coubters the burn is a good idea, there are officers who counter both the moral and hullbreach effects...

covert kite
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The last thing the big players need is more help in take overs... its already unbalanced in their favors.

opaque jungle
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@covert kite I don't think its unreasonable for a player that has spent 10,15 or 20k on this game to expect some advantages.... however if one of the reasons the change in burn was because it was giving a way for small players to do an unfair amount of damage to a player at no cost to themselves simply because that player has an expensive to repair ship... if we can address that problem then georgiou burn wont be as big a problem. I could care less... I dobt even have any ops 34 ships yet... but if my stance is "down with whales" I probably wont get heard... like it or not whales are given greater priority in this game simply because they pay the bills

covert kite
# opaque jungle <@191809861334335489> I don't think its unreasonable for a player that has spen...

they have the advantage of nearly untouchable ships in these territory takeovers (at least here)... hell we just had to suicide 8-10 1.5-2M ships against one player to clear ONE of their 5 ships. And the burn fix was a stupid fix... fires dont just magically go out, either make it to where burning "lasts for X rounds" and assign a minimal duration to a round so the burning lasts the same duration every combat regardless of what it ends, or apply burning to the round in question and remove it only after the combat stops -- either of these 2 options would have made way more sense.

opaque jungle
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I for one, dont like that the burn issue has been changed into some sort of "us vs. Them" war cry... I have always looked at it as a problem with a company changing their product after someone has "bought" it... similar to when they "fixed" faction lock... many players who had spent a long time with faction lock as part of their strategy where justifiably upset when it was "fixed"... imo this is a similar case where the fix is counterproductive for many players strategy...

opaque jungle
covert kite
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At least what I read came across as focused only helping them, if I misread that, my apologies.

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Particularly, give larger players a bigger discount.

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If you already compare Ship A to Ship A from L25 to L40 the L40 already repairs cheaper and faster, if they did a modicum of their research and required station upgrades... the bigger ships always have more expenses in time and rss... they want to stomp people with 4M and 5M and even 9M ships in some cases, that comes with added risk (albeit minimal in most cases)/cost in repair times and rss.

opaque jungle
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I dont think its unreasonable to give large players a bigger discount... so for my suggestion lets say all alliances participating in a takeover get 50% off repair costs... so a ship that needs 100k trit to repair only needs 50k... and a big player ship that might need 600mil trit to repair would need 300mil... that is what I meant by a "bigger discount"... but my idea would not help the big players who just like to grief smaller alliances by not joining a takeover but they go in and just hit ships for fun or because they are helping another alliance

covert kite
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In that case, 50% is 50% those are identical discounts, which would be more reasonable. Even at L32 with only a 1.5M sally and 1.2M gladius I spent over 10M trit in repairs fighting the alliance that dictates who gets what territories currently... we're not on their "approved" list.

opaque jungle
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@covert kite yeah some people like to play with numbers.... if I had originally said 50% and tried to say it was equal someone would most likely point out that big players were saving more actual res in repair costs 🤣 so that is why I said big players should have a bigger discount 😉

covert kite
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Understood now, to me that would imply higher percentage, but programmer, so I tend to read things how they are 😛

visual oar
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Nice job on adding more alliance milestone events. The alb had become very boring along time ago as it’s the same result every time.

silent spear
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#ReturnTheBurn

cobalt gust
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no, #fixtheconomy

vivid nebula
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Shutthegamedown

vapid plinth
hoary linden
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FFS... if it's not a tutorial mission stop making us move station for missions. It's a waste of time, a reloc token, and just plain annoying

devout yacht
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Who’s genius idea was it to only give 3 of the 6 3* systems jelly BPs?

cobalt gust
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Scopley's, reason, to make conflict over those territories

devout yacht
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Well it just makes people jump alliances doesn’t it

cobalt gust
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yea, and can see that getting locked down at some point

hallow pumice
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It's supposed to push competition @devout yacht

void spade
gritty falcon
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Huge sacrifice in money lives resources

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You pay 20 parsteel and instant repair to cost 5-10m in trit plus dil plus how many speedups?

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The balance is completely unequitable

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Now if you want to say “whales can afford it” im just going to quote DJ here, but thats just the most socialist thing you could possibly say

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Imagine a world where how much you pay for something depends on how much money you have

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Pay $50 for a big mac bc youre a rich american where a somali gets it for $.0001

slow needle
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Wait isnt that how it works, look at healthcare, usa subsidized the worlds medicine.

gritty falcon
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To a small degree yes

sudden tinsel
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Search functionality for alliances and people in this game is horrible. It makes diplomacy between alliances very difficult if they aren't on the power rankings, which only shows the top 100. We need a more compmrehensive search.

bitter crest
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Changing schedule midstream negates some of the player's strategic plan for the duration of the arc.. 😥 just saying.

tepid robin
void spade
# gritty falcon Except in each of those situations the “david” made a huge sacrifice

You are ridiculous... You don't have any idea what you are talking about and you proof this again and again.

The realta bombers do not sacrifice anything?? Really... Ohh, okay, some parsteel is not that much...

But how about time!? The most important resource you have!?
It's running out. Every day. And this people put it in, the time and the effort to take down an enemy they can't hurt in another way.

It needs what!? Several hundreds attacks? Roundabout 45 minutes from several players working together?? Ahhh, as you said, nothing...

But hey, I'm not expected that a wallet warrior would understand such cheezy things... But it is this was literally happens. The whales put in money to buy time. To take the shortcut to the goal.

And he.ll yeahhh, they are whimping and crying as soon as any event comes up that can't get buyed, where it doesn't is enough to open the wallet to buy a top spot. Some of my avatars are soaked in tears of such guys. 😉🤷‍♂️ And similar things happens here. The one side brings the money up to reach his goal and the other side brings against their time and effort... Not so bad that someone has to cry for...

But hey, even if the g4 economy is obviously broken as f.ck it is still embarrassing to listen to some complaints there...

This comparison of dj in the podcast with the fuel/ gasoline for example. "The g3 owners pay only a few cents for their gallon but the g4 owners have to pay some dollars"

I'm laughing my a.. off 🤣🤣🤣

The g3 owners driving a Ford Fiesta, the g4 owners have buyed a sports car. And yes, a real sports car doesn't drive with standard gasoline... And then THE damn f.ing TYRES!!!

If only we had known that beforehand!!! 🙈🙈🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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But my deepest respect that you tricked me again into your narrative of the realta bombing badasses... Nice framing, good troll work.

But at the end has this, as you said by yourself, nothing to do with burning as the mechanic it was... Cause almost nobody used it for. Your own words...

So we can be very calm and chilled and demand:

#returntheburn!!!

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nova sierra
robust helm
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#returntheburn

gritty falcon
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You want a shortcut to compete against level 50 players

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And time and effort? Rofl

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You think G4 ships can be bought without grinding?

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I guarantee you a level 50 has ground far more than you

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You think they offer mystery faction rep packs in the store? Rofl

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No. The level 50 player not only ground harder than you, he happens to have more money

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Now i know that upsets you and you wish this werent the case

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But hey thats life

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And if you want to use a sports car analogy, does premium gas cost 52 times more than regular?

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Is regular gas free? Tires? 4 tires on a Porsche is around $2,000. Costs about $1,200 for an Audi and probably $500 for a Ford. Ok so then make the G4 repair costs 4 times that of a Realta, or 28 parsteel. Heck i feel generous make it 100 times that of your Realta, or 700 parsteel. Your logic

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So why are you sitting here crying about you 7 parsteel to repair Realta. Your stupid realta is causing damage to a ship that is literally BILLIONS of times more expensive to repair. That is hilarious, just like you

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“Bbbbbecause whales mmmmake muh feel bad with their big ships big grinding big wallets wah i wanna take my 7 parsteel ship and hurt them bc they muake me feel bad”

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Boring

woven flare
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Wheres our chance to get the sarco for free we were promised by scopley?

nova sierra
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<@&509690795536941056> whats the latest info on the Burn and the switch of rewards on the premium battle pass. I know you guys don’t work on the weekend but honestly it’s been hectic. Could we have some direction on how you plan to address these issues please? Reposting every day until some response is given.

covert kite
# slow needle Wait isnt that how it works, look at healthcare, usa subsidized the worlds medic...

Not the greatest analogy, that subsidy is really just that too many Americans are dumb enough to continue demanding, or perhaps begging is the more appropriate word, for the "honor" of paying out the nose for healthcare, it doesn't need to be that way, the whole subsidy schtick is just a political talking point to distract those people and attempt to justify the more than double cost of things done in the next most expensive country out there.

tepid robin
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Thanks for giving us advance warning about the event changes and a description of why. Much appreciated.

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Distributing more of the new officer shards, including TOS Spock and TOS Kirk, and Spore Drive Components through the extra runs of Rescue the Crew.

This is awesome thanks Scopely!

nova sierra
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#returntheburn

winter gale
void spade
void spade
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And as I said multiple times: your problem, what literally isn't your problem because you don't own a proper g4 ship as i understood you right, has nothing to do with burning as a mechanic. So you can stop now your senseless trys to reframe this whole thing and, at least, get out of the way for #returntheburn 😉🤷‍♂️😜

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opaque jungle
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Yeah, its kind of ticked me off that people have turned the change in the burning mechanic into a reason to demand change to the G4 economy.... i mean if they want the G4 economy changed thats fine. But imo the change to the burn mechanic is about a company changing their product after you buy it.... lets get burning back to how it worked for over 2 years... then if there is a problem with G4 repair costs (which I believe there are from what Ive heard)... that should be its own issue

frank forum
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NONE of this would be a problem if there was a proper refinery/rss exchange system like players have been asking for years 😒

hoary linden
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Lol what if you already had prime officers and bought borg pack because of your "bug" not showing proper rewards.

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Guess those of us that spent are just eh whatever you're on your own

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Bait and switch if you ask me

frank forum
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Yep, because otherwise nobody would BUY the prime borg pack 🤨

tame dove
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Great compensation with the g4 to g3 change. Now that I know all I have to do is be patient and y'all will screw up, giving me a 100$ prime for 20$ eventually, I'll never spend another dime. Thanks!

nova sierra
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@tame dove who’s side are you exactly on? You salty cos your getting a good deal?

opaque jungle
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I mean some of those $100 dollar primes arent really worth $100 anymore... so many researches now that give basically the same thing for free

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They should be dropping the price on them

nova sierra
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That I agree with. With so much primes around now people like me just don’t bother can’t be affording them. But £19.99 is a nice touch

mossy coral
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I want a refund on my borg rewards purchase. The bait and switch is ridiculous and unethical. 😑 It doesn't matter if it was a glitch, my choice would have been the epic gas for the borg research so I wouldn't have had to purchase it. I don't need the officer recruit research, I already had it. I wouldn't have spent 50$ if I had known.

harsh valve
dull nova
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Your fix for the epic gas isn’t the best. If you have prime officer and bought prime borg refine because you were confused about the whole situation, you basically get a bunch of gas that has no value. So the best reward in the battlepass is useless.

opaque jungle
# dull nova Your fix for the epic gas isn’t the best. If you have prime officer and bought p...

But if you already had prime officer when you bought the battle pass then you already knew you werent getting a "free prime" with the battlepass.... so what is the difference? I can see it would have been nice to know you could get prime borg with the battlepass before you got prime borg... but still in that case you arent "out" anything from the time you originally would have bought the battlepass...

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You can still keep the rare gas... I believe you need it to use on G4 ships eventually

tepid robin
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I think Scopely's fix is genius. We get to choose which Prime we want. I think that's really great and I still want the Burn back

craggy egret
stiff cloak
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Hey scopely, loved the scavenger hunt today

tepid robin
void spade
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WOW!!!

I have critizised scopely very hard for the things that happened in the last days.
Now, after the announcement to give away an one time converter, I have to tip my hat 👏👍
This and the way it is announced with the clear hints for pros and cons of the decision is how I, as a paying customer, expect that a company handles a situation where they made a clear mistake.
My deepest respect for this 👍
Furthermore the new event "scrambled communication" is LOTS of fun!!
In german we call the style of the event "Schnitzeljagd", my translator translated it with paper chase. I hope that makes any sense for you 😅
This event style, especially that the tasks are not the same for everybody, was very funny and a very good experience for the whole alliance 😁👍

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Now it would be a very good topping if scopely would be so nice to #returntheburn too 😁👋

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nova sierra
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<@&509690795536941056> very very happy with the decision to give players the choice to choose for what they paid for. Nicely done. I’m a bit of a complainer and frankly that’s because there’s to many mishaps and so I complain. But occasionally there’s is something I can praise you guys for and this converter for the premium battle pass is one of those. So thank you very much for listening to the community. If this gets lost can the <@&509691205798592532> pass this on. No doubt I’ll be moaning about summin else cos I’m a grumpy git but well done on this work around. Nicely done 👍🏽

nova sierra
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#returntheburn

robust helm
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#returntheburn

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#fixrepaircosts

tame sphinx
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So... are you going to fix territories any time soon to put a stop to Star Trek Axis and Allies?
I doubt mine is the only server devolving into total war because of those.

opaque jungle
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@tame sphinx working as intended 🤣

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My server saw a huge migration of all players in smaller alliances merging to be able to compete... it sucked but was inevitable... this game has been trying to encourage more pvp for some time because thats what gets people to spend

tame sphinx
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We have two giant alliances of alliances now. Everything revolves around conflict between those two. It is sucking the fun out of the game and making people quit...

opaque jungle
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Yeah my server is similar.... but it tends to stay in territory space at least... most of my day to day playing is unchanged. But it really does depend on the server... I do hope they do something to give alliances that have actually joined a takeover event some sort of boost... I dont think they will ever bar alliances from "helping" though... ive put out an idea to give alliances that have actually paid to join a repair discount on their ships...

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But the game is marketed as a pvp game... so that aspect of it wont change

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War makes money

tame sphinx
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In true PVP it is possible to defeat a foe by disrupting their ability to fight by hitting the means of production. Because people can just buy whatever power they want this isn't actually pvp. It is P2W.

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If you've ever been fighting with someone and winning only to have them come back 15 minutes later with ships 1M stronger than they were you know how bad that is.

opaque jungle
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P2w is still pvp... not sure where you got your definition of what a "true" pvp is.. but pvp is player vs. Player.... nothing nore, nothibg less.... you can use smaller ships to disrupt bigger ships... long before georgiou came in we would use dozens of realtas to basically hold a big ship in place so they couldnt do anything... in this game organized numvers can deal with one whale... but you do need both numbers and orginization

tame sphinx
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Organization breaks down in territory takeovers because the game can't handle it.
As for the definition of PVP vs P2W - one is a player vs a player in game. The other pits the bank account of one against that of another. That isn't playing, that is purchasing.
Now, if I could rob his bank that would be different. 😛

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It has to do with whether one wins by PLAYING the game or by PURCHASING the win.

opaque jungle
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Meh... a player and the players bank account are one and the same.... pvp will always have a way to allow one player to get a leg up... if its not p2w its grinding... I dont have all day to play a game so if this was strictly a grinding game I would be at a disadvantage to someone who can play all day 🤷‍♀️... I am neither rich in money or time lol.... but organization isnt that hard during takeovers... use a third party communication app... and any lag you are experiencing the other player is most likely also experiencing...

tame sphinx
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I am facing retired rich people who can do both. They spend more than the value of my house on this thing and there is NO recourse.

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And yeah, we use discord, but it doesn't help when you can't see any ships in the takeover system.

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I'm telling you, this is making people quit.

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I have been doing what I can to keep people around, but this is getting bad. SERIOUS bullying going on.

opaque jungle
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I am in the same predicament...no way to get around that in this game... but like I said there are ways to fight back (even if our ability to actually damage a whale was nerfed)... but territory is working as intended... so saying it needs "fixing" doesnt tell anyobe anything... if you have ideas for how it could be made better I would suggest being more specific

tame sphinx
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Suggestions that haven't already been offered? How about limiting the number of takeovers someone can be part of in 24 hours (except your own defenses) You get to fight once in a takeover not yours per day - that's it.

opaque jungle
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My server went through a few big players who would go on griefing sprees... just hitting all smaller player ships for no reason... couldnt do anything without getting killed... no way to "make" them stop. And yes lots of players did leave... its a pvp game though so if you arent prepaired to have your ship destroyed... this might not be the game for you

tame sphinx
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There are lots and lots of things that can be changed to keep total war from occurring. What is going on now is going to break things.

opaque jungle
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Yeah... but again... my point was territory is working as intended.. so coming in here and saying it needs fixing isnt giving anyone any idea about whats wrong...

tame sphinx
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This is NOT the game I started playing 2 years ago. What is going on now is very bad.

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What is going on is bullying. lots and lots of it.

opaque jungle
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I mean I can take my truck to my mechanic and tell them to fix it and walk away.... but I cant be surprised if they charge me for a huge amount of diagnostics and end up fixing something else from what I inteded when I get it back 😉

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Alright I will end my discussion now... you are coming from an emotional place... so Im not going to help anything by continuing.... 🖖 just remember its only a game... take care

craggy egret
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Territories would be totally fine if contests were limited only to those who actually paid the cost to join the fight. It’s absolutely axis vs allies now and there’s very little movement anywhere, just huge fights that lag the entire server into crashing and accomplish nothing. Many people are bored and tired of the constant melee for nothing. Neither side ever really feels like they accomplish or earn anything because it’s never really their fight. We are living in proxy whale wars now and it sucks.

half orbit
scenic bloom
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We are living in proxy whale wars now and it sucks.

Almost like real life.........

opaque jungle
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There is nothing stopping you as a server from trying to make up your own RoEs.... our server has them... you could try to get all alliances to agree to only allowing those who have joined the fight access... it is a self policing idea though. Scopley has nothing to do with those sorts of things... but they can work if you get those in your server onboard

pure fern
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Why android app dont support sumbols in nick naming? Aplle guys have fancy symbols in their names but android app dont allow symbols to be used...

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would like to use -FF- nick

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but android app denies lines and symbols

tame sphinx
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My server is completely overrun with blatant bullies and YEARS of reporting them to Scopely had produced no change.
So, that's it. Scopely has had hundreds of opportunities to do something abut them but WILL NOT do it.
So, that's it.
I'm done.

rich belfry
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hi everyone, could you put in new officers and more 3g parts in the swarm event? am ops 40 ... but no j e l l y and no 4g ship’s. Play for 3 years now and finally managed to reach ops 40 as a normal gamer. Mara has been MAX and Kahn for 1 year. and i only have epic 3g ships. so it doesn't make sense anymore ... the swarm event. And one more, please. can you make an exchange exchange for 2g materials ... they are still in the monthly packet ... no use at ops 40 ... thx you guys

shell fractal
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The new lat mining rate bonus is WAY too much. knock one zero off and it will be about right. Right now, it is too intrusive into people's lives (time between reset is too short) so as a result, you get burnout and people quit, which doesn't help your player count and health of the game.

bleak lynx
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Well done STFC for the first QUEST.
Liked the riddles and different tasks.

simple spade
# shell fractal The new lat mining rate bonus is WAY too much. knock one zero off and it will be...

I talked to some players who voiced a similar opinion. But the simple solution is, only mine it while you have the time. If it's intrusive, don't do it. Plus, the research makes it possible for you to have 100% protected cargo. So, let it his zero and come back to it while you have time.

I had a similar issue on Monday. I had some work meetings and couldn't watch the game. I recalled my dvor. Simple.

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Plus, i really like the ability to mine all the raw lat i need for a week in one day. I really like not mining it all day, every day.

nova sierra
neat pier
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Thank you for looking at the epic/rare gas reward in battle pass. The exchange mechanic is a good fix.
How is the burning problem going?

quasi wren
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You program in folders for events. Great feature. but the you DON'T use folders for events. Except for the daily events. Which is ALL the way at the end of the lineup.

shell fractal
# simple spade I talked to some players who voiced a similar opinion. But the simple solution ...

Don't get me wrong, I love how you can mine all the lat you'll ever need in a few days. But that's kinda dumb too, like do it for day and forget about it for a month? And I say intrusive because I'm typically 2nd in lat rush. The amount of effort to keep that has skyrocketed. I was able to go about my day before. This time, not so much. This time, it's bad on the level of the flash events.

opaque jungle
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Lat mining is now similar to data mining.... except you dont have to deal with a chaser (unless you are mining lat in a faction territory you are hostile to)... just like when they changed the way data was mined there are going to be people who dont like it and those who do. I for one like the lat mining change🤷‍♀️ though it might be nice if we can individually change the rate our miners mine at... say have a setting where we can mine a certain percentage efficiency....

empty belfry
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Why can you only repair ships in drydock, that not like Star Trek at all, none of there ships would ever make it back to drydock if they did not make repairs on the fly, just watch any Star Trek series, also the shield you add after maintenance is not fair to the players that already paid for a shield, it should be added to their timer not a double shield. Thanks

simple spade
# shell fractal Don't get me wrong, I love how you can mine all the lat you'll ever need in a fe...

Yeah i get that. The balance has obviously been shifted in an unintended way. I think the best way to counter it would be twofold:

  1. Give us an option to triple refine in the refinery, but make it more expensive per raw lat (like double the double batch cost, but only 1.5x the output). Then you don't have enough to do triple batches every day without mining it more.
  2. Increase the cargo size of the dvor. Both protected and total. Protected shouldn't be higher than the total cargo, but you should be able to mine for 30 minutes without going OPC.
hardy socket
hardy socket
bronze axle
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Fix territories. You should have to pay to enter battle. You don’t go to World Series to see the fans run on the field and play with the teams

hardy socket
opaque jungle
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I think Id actually prefer to watch the world series with audience participation 🤣

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Though I do agree there should at least be a bonus for alliances that have actually paid to get in... like my earlier idea of ship repair discounts during the territory capture timer nudge nudge wink wimk

dusky parcel
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I like the new Lat mining rates. I can mine a weeks of lat in an hour. Its been really nice. Good job on making Lat great again

lucid zodiac
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What is the deal with the TOS Battlepass? Several of our alliance members have bought the unlock, but they don't have 100 epic G4 gas showing, most of them bought the unlock for this very reason & trying to check the paid for content before hand, but was showing blank screens for three of them I talked to about the matter.

mild basin
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So when is scopely gonna even enforce ToS on whales???

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Since nobody is monitoring each servers behavior even though they earn alot from Whal3rs???

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And they're particularly bullying out of FTP or fans of StarTrek..

wispy laurel
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Please make the Stella available.

vivid coral
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I was curious as to when we might see the Franklin warp parts packs c appear in the offer store again. I didn't see it show up during the last few Franklin Frequency Modulator weekends. Specifically, am curious about the WarpCore+ pack.
If it helps to know, I'm at Lv31 with a T8 Franklin. I don't know if I'm too high for it to show up anymore or not.

deep kernel
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has something happened to the spawn rate of theFerengi Trader in Borg space? I've been waiting for it for hours in Roda Gamma, but haven't seen it

nova sierra
short urchin
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You can now mine faster than kill ferengi traders, so for what need you them?

potent silo
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Player without dvor can use them

tepid robin
deep kernel
dapper raptor
azure holly
dapper raptor
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Pity. So they won t introduce higher armadas i mean the normal ones

quartz smelt
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Burn the whales!

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Adjust pvp range or bring back the burn!

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Both would be best!

azure meadow
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The change in the burn mechanic is a real problem. First, it makes no sense as far as story line. A ship in combat can cause a burn on an opponent which then damages the opponents hull. Unless of course the ship is destroyed at the end of the round then you pretend that the burning never actually occured? Yeah, that is stupid.

Secondly, the only reason this was changed is that whales complained. Lvl 40s want to be able to smack around my puny lvl 27 bases and ships with impunity. They don't want me to be able to defend myself at all. What's next? You going to prevent the Realta from being able to attack any ship higher than a Corvette?

Restore the burning mechanic and quit with the BS argument that it never was intended. No one believes that for a second, particularly when Scopely has repeatedly shown that it never reverses big screwups such as the D'vor mining rate.

hardy socket
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Available for 4 days, first pull in 2 days... what’s the point?

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cobalt gust
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to let people mine for it

buoyant dew
azure meadow
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I think letting us know a refining event is coming is a rare example of Scopely doing something that will actually help the average player. A refining event is much more valuable if you know it is coming. I appreciate it very much.

weary quartz
dense ravine
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Did you have points before that

weary quartz
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I had redeemed shards from ultra, premium and standard previous to redeeming this last batch of ultras, points were off on every redemption

cobalt gust
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ignor the banner and look at the event directly, the banner does not update correctly

weary quartz
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Unless it takes time to process in the system it is below what I have received so far

cobalt gust
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no, the banner will be wrong, but the event will be correct

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to see it, record the points on the event, then do the pull, then compare

weary quartz
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Thanks for the clarification, however I will be watching it more carefully going forward.

fair umbra
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Territory Control is being dominated by the biggest players that are now hopping alliances to push other groups where they want. Clearly the 5 territory limit is not enough of a deterrent, there should be a restriction on allowing players to act as mercenaries. In addition to the 8 hour alliance rejoin cooldown, I think they should not be allowed to score TC points for a span of time after swapping alliances.

hardy socket
mild basin
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So what's the ToS for whalers Scopely since bullying & level difference abuse are very rampant in the game

gritty falcon
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  1. "Whales" didn't complain. Maybe a couple did, but there are hundreds of whales. Don't lump us all into 1 category.
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  1. A level 40 is not a whale, and a level 40 doesn't have a G4 ship that makes burning worthwhile.
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  1. A level 36 with a T5 Enterprise can destroy a level 27 with impunity, with or without the Realta or burning function. It's all relative.
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  1. Realta with burn only worked as a deterrent against G4 ships, and ONLY because of the outrageous ability to cause literally BILLIONS times more in repair costs, at zero costs to you.
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7 parsteel to repair your Realta, and you expect to be able to cause BILLIONS more times in repair costs...think about that

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it's like you expecting a Ferrari owner to pay BILLIONS more per gallon of gas to drive his car b/c he's a right rich prick

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Makes zero sense

frank forum
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@gritty falcon for your whale tears

nova sierra
nova sierra
tepid robin
glass coyote
sudden folio
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When will a hostile loot table be published?

sudden folio
# nova sierra He had a base raiding crew on.

Then that should be accurately reflected in the power. When highlighting a base the power of the ship should increase. It is quite ridiculous that there are so many “unknowns” in this game.

hardy socket
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Captain manuevers and officer abilities don't add direct power and can not easily be added into the equation: some are limited to the first few rounds, some are chance of procs, some are chance of procs based on other proc.

sudden folio
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It is what it is. I still love the game.

sudden folio
glad pine
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When are scopely going to finally do something about level 45 plus players crushing players way below them. They need to sort out the banding for what levels can attack each other. Getting hit by 10m plus ships when you cannot build anything that even scratches them is ridiculous. People who have played the game for years are leaving because of this

dense ravine
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Yeah I don't know that guy's problem

gritty falcon
bronze axle
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Current territory structure allows one alliance to control the entire map. 30 level 40 plus players drop and join dead alliances and control the whole map. Fun stuff.

quick coral
bronze axle
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Yea. I don’t have much faith they’ll change it. But I can hope.

nova sierra
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<@&509691205798592532> <@&509690795536941056> Mass photon token rollout for all servers please. Bit unfair other servers have had it for a while now. Especially if we are gonna have mergers. Please level the playing field

onyx dock
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Oh we've suggested, suggested and suggested it then some more. Here's hoping 🤞

azure meadow
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@gritty falcon yeah, I am not terribly sympathetic to your complaints. Heaven forbid you should ever have to worry about repairing a ship when attacking a low level player. Scopely is just continuing to try and institute the “God mode” mechanic for the whales.

outer blade
tepid robin
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Its just suicide bombings, or kamikaze. This stuff has been around since day 1 of guerilla warfare, weak underdogs versus a strong enemy.

craggy egret
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an officer that multiplies the damage of the first shot fired would help too.

tepid robin
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If you wanna make it Covid1984 relevant you should introduce a mechanism whereby the whales know exactly when the f2p playes are at all times, can prevent f2p from making free resources at their base, and apply fines for breaking ridiculous ROE rules that don't make sense.

junior cairn
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Been out of game 1 month and they accept it is their issue. Then after a month they again ask me to reinstall

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Feedback. Hire humans with above caveman iq

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Actually I think a caveman might be preferable

tired geyser
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What am I supposed to do with 4* epic gas or 4* rare? I already purchased the Borg pack when it first was there as bp was wrong great I wasted money on it....... I had the prime done already as well from epic chests and scrapping D3.

gritty falcon
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God mode? There is no such thing. I guarantee you every G4 player did more grinding for faction rep than nearly every f2p player.

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If you want to call BS, post up some hostiles destroyed numbers

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G4 players earned their power. All you want now is basically asking short dudes a chance to play in the NBA or fat slow dudes a chance to play in the NFL

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Youre basically asking G4 players to be penalized for being hyper successful at the game and that game mechanics should donate charity tools to those who cant be bothered to grind hundreds of thousands of hostiles

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P2W only applies in the 30s where you dont need to grind much at all to have a max enterprise but you can pay your way there

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If you want a g4 ship you are looking at an extremely long grind for rep

dense ravine
dense ravine
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Ah yes "hyper successful" is that what you call spending thousands

vapid oar
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Spend 100k+ or grind 8hrs+ everyday and still get stomped by unlimited spenders?
That's not fun. It's boring.
Good luck Scopely

stable timber
vale summit
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I don’t think I’ve seen anything from scopely re: change in the burn mechanic (see: #💬-general-feedback message)
This isn’t just about realtas it’s about downgrading an established mechanic - my augur getting 3 vs 2 rounds of burning in is significant especially now that we’re defending against big ships so frequently with territories.

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glad pine
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More players quitting because a high level player has decided he wants to hit a number of alliances until all their members quit. What chance do they have against a 15m ship when the majority are lvl 30 of less. I am 36 so still nowhere near even being able to damage him. Why not finally listen to the vast majority of users and bring in some caps on what levels can attack each other. Alternative is more and more leaving.

timid heart
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As long as those with the 15 mil+ ship spend $$$ they won't listen.

glad pine
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Well it wont be much of a game once so many start leaving the server. About 10 I know of have left in the last week. All 35plus. Our server does not have a lot at 45 plus only a handful and nearly all are in the same alliance. One guy left that alliance because they lost a territory battle. He has now said he is going to hit the other alliances for the next year yo make everyone quit the game

stable timber
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😞

timid heart
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In the end itll be one server with all 50+ players spending 10k+ a week to have the highest lvl ship.

median kestrel
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Sounds like a few upcoming games...except the one I have in mind 10k isn't even a drop in the bucket

west prairie
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..I..

west prairie
median kestrel
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The rare could be used for prime officers if you haven't bought it yet

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Idk, as much drama is on my server, and the ineffective mods and support staff, I'm ready to shelve this game for good.

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@glad pine

lucid warren
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So we had a TC today, and it was literally 3 alliances vs Us. They literally moved the top players of 3 alliances into the one alliance going against us. I am completely fine with this. What I found particularly not an enjoyable gaming experience nor in the spirit of any sort of spirit of competition is that they also flooded the system with the other 2 alliances ships so that we couldn’t even warp our ships in to participate in the event. With 3 vs 1 alliances attempting to warp in ships, this will be problematic for lag and event fairness. We could hardly even warp in ships to participate. It’s like playing basketball but you are only allowed 2 players on the court. Not to mention the ridiculous lag and truly bad gaming experience. Is THIS sort of thing what the devs “intended” for these territory events? When the dream team plays b-ball do they change the core rules intrinsic to the game? The two alliances actually in the contest should have no issues warping ships into the system. THAT is analogous to each team getting 5 players on the court in a basketball game. The solution to fix this is really simple. Only allow actual TC participants to warp into the contested system

tepid robin
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I finally gave up on CS when I asked why I hadn't been given the 'lucky' pull I got on One of Ten in a recruit chest, and they said I had the required amount of bps for Marcus. If I get locked out of my game, I'm not fighting with that level of deliberate or actual stupidity, so I will just quit.

Until then, I am not taking the game seriously and I'm not spending.

gritty falcon
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If youre worried about level caps, move out of territory

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“Bbbbut i wanna live in territory”

gritty falcon
gritty falcon
gritty falcon
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And yet here we are today...

last nest
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yeah.. look where we are

smaller player count then before

needing to merge servers again

whales crying over burn after 2 years of not crying

gritty falcon
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Lol whales dont cry

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I personally wish player count was even smaller

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Bored of seeing roe complaints on GC and competing with lowbies over these stupid hostile events

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But im a nice guy and i dont blow them up even tho i could

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100% of this channel consists of a bunch of lowbies complaining about burn being taken away or some other complaint and literally zero feedback from whales of any kind

last nest
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love that quick assumption when you cant see every comment made in this channel in a fraction of a second. but thats bahbah for you 🤣 plenty of 40+ have made feedback over stuff but you always try and coat paint over people's complaints.

gritty falcon
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This is how pathetic some of you are - Sentaros is a pvp system

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I park my enterprise and augur all day

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And yet everyone and their mom show up in Sallies with speed crew fighting over level 31 hostiles like a bunch of scavengers

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Bending over backwards to avoid pvp at all costs bc it may god forbid cost you a few speedups

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No wonder youre all obsessed over Realtas

gritty falcon
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I can post you over a hundred screencaps of lowbies crying about g4 tho

last nest
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you made the assumption that no one does so you post screenshots of "literally zero feedback from whales of any kind"

gritty falcon
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Post one from this channel

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Do it

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Anyone? Bueller?

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Bueller?

last nest
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and some content creators that are 40+ also have made their statements

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🤣

gritty falcon
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?

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I asked for evidence of whales whining about this

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And you post a lowbie whining about his burn being taken away? Rofl

gritty falcon
last nest
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oh lord you dont know how to check logs

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dont even need to continue

gritty falcon
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Rofl

last nest
gritty falcon
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This is what you linked

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You literally linked some lowbie whining over burn being taken away

gritty falcon
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Maybe youll find your little realta burn toy waiting for you at home...wait no that isnt coming back

midnight pilot
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Not a problem change realta burn to vidar burn

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Does more danage

gritty falcon
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They dont wanna have to pay for repairs or speedups

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They could use saladins brels or even enterprises but that would cost them too much

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But costing g4 players billions? No problem because they are evil whales hee hee

midnight pilot
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I don't see what problem is, they started on an old server with g4s while they had g2s. What do they expect

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Can't complain when whales been playing over 2 years and you play 6 months and want to be competitive is just silly

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Even though taken whales 2 years to get to g4

gritty falcon
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Buncha lowbies who play casually want a fighting chance against whales who grinding their as off for years

midnight pilot
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We appreciate p2p players

gritty falcon
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But they realize how stupid their own argument sounds

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So they lie and make up fantasies

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Like how all whales are evil p2w

midnight pilot
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Nah they don't they live in fantasy land

gritty falcon
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They emphasize the bullying of a handful of whales

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Its dishonest behavior

midnight pilot
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How is a g4 user a bully using a ship he's earned. That g4 user probably doesn't have a lower ship

gritty falcon
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You see the bully argument a lot here

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And the p2w claim

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Yet none of these lowbies would dare post the number of hostiles killed

midnight pilot
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You don't see lowbies being moabed at for using their 1.5m Sally's v lower players

gritty falcon
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Probably at like 50,000

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What is it like 100,000 minimum for an entey level g4?

midnight pilot
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Lol am a lowbie f2p and am in the millions already

gritty falcon
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Good for you you did your grinding

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This game is a huge grind for all

midnight pilot
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All 3 locked 1st lock. Vidar done franklin nearly dpne

gritty falcon
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I dont want to imagine what skacoren is at

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Triple locked 3 factions at 1bn each my god

midnight pilot
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Just got the armada grind and Stella grind to do lol

gritty falcon
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Lots of whales of acheived that now but it must be a crazy amount

midnight pilot
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Actually very few are 1b locked

gritty falcon
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Ive heard several players (5 or so i have directly heard from)

midnight pilot
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Several is not lots lol

gritty falcon
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Yeah i dont have exact numbers but i heard theres more

midnight pilot
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Probably as many 1b locks as tribune owners

gritty falcon
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I grind hostiles 1-2 hours a day everyday including weekends and holidays

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And im a very long way away

midnight pilot
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Yep need build/research speedups constantly

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Love the 5h ones

gritty falcon
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I dare say, the whales are the most active players in the game

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At least on my server they are always on

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So who cares if they dominant they deserve it with all the grinding they do

midnight pilot
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Yep

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Just got to work on upping my t5 Sally and bortas now and save for epics

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Am ops 31 so can't get them from Armadas yet

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30 augur bp done think will be my first

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But never know when start getting armada chest pulls

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Plus event stores will help

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G4 oldies never really had the events now ingame

gritty falcon
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Yeah its crazy how much easier the game has gotten

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And yet people still demand something for nothing

glad pine
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Not demanding something for nothing. I have grinded my way through the game mining locking all factions but did not start a early as some of the whales. Now one of the biggest on the server has decided to kill half the alliances on the server to make them quit. He doesn't attack the big alliance on the server who can fight him. That's just a coward driving players out of the game that have been grinding at it.

gritty falcon
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If half the alliances on your server cant deal with one player you should all quit the game

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Because you guys collectively really suck at the game

glad pine
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When you have an unbalanced server this is what happens. This is why caps on what levels can hit each other is a good idea but some think it's not because they feel they have the right to do as they please

gritty falcon
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Every player has the right to do as they please

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This isnt the Soviet Union

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Have you guys tried maybe asking him nicely to stop?

glad pine
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So that means players should be able to play without being victimised

gritty falcon
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???? There are NO VICTIMS in a game

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Its like saying the Dallas Cowboys are victimized every season

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No

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There are winners and losers in a game

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If you find yoursrlf losing, eithrr do what it takes to win, avoid, or quit

glad pine
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The guy has no interest in stopping has said so. Is now just trying to drive players out the game as he has said. I am doing okay but others are fed up and leaving

gritty falcon
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Well somebody obviously pissed him off

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And I’m sure your GC is a toxic cesspool with people aggravating him further by calling him a bully

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And claiming to be victims

glad pine
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His alliance lost a territory now he left to go solo and is killing all the other alliances. Gc has more poison from him than the rest combined

gritty falcon
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So ur not denying poison directed at him

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There are ways to deal with the situation

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Offer the territory back

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Give him a personal NAP

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No more attacks on his territory

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Etc

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If you think that is unfair

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Then deal with him by fighting him

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Or there is the quitting option that it seems people have exercised

glad pine
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There were reactions after he went on a rampage. The alliance took the territory back. They are the biggest but lost because they did not expect a fight. He is on his own even his old alliance want nothing to do with him now

gritty falcon
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I dont get how half the alliances on the server cant deal with one guy

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Shields are a perfect defense against raiding

glad pine
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We only have a handful at 45 plus and only 1 is in those alliances he is targeting. And he is not really active anymore

gritty falcon
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Miners? You dont need a whale to be a miner griefer

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He could run around in a vidar all day blowing up miners and u wouldnt be able to stop him

glad pine
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He hits ships trying to do dailies as well and people with 5 and 6m jellies try but he has 15m plus ships so ploughs through them

gritty falcon
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You dont need to be a whale to blow up people trying to do dailies

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Anyone with a saladin can mess with vidars and franklins

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Faction grinding? There are a ton of systems for grinding hostiles in each faction he cant watch al of them all the time

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Sounds like people dont want to make any adjustments to their preferred gamestyle

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They insist on being to be grind when they want where they want at all times

glad pine
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Guessing you are a whale and dont see the side of smaller players.

gritty falcon
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Thats such a cop out response

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People have been griefing since rhe game started

glad pine
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We all have issues from time to time and resolve them. We come up with comprimises

gritty falcon
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With or without whales, with or without bigger players

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Griefing isnt a whale problem its a people problem

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All u need is a saladin and speed crew and u can grief all day lobg

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And nobody can touch you

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Or a d4 with pvp crew can take out most players grinding with PMC

glad pine
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Still doesn't help the lower players progress. Without them the game will die

gritty falcon
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No offense but if youre a lower level player still (assuming old server), there are issues

glad pine
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I am 36 been playing a year

gritty falcon
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Ok thats not a lower level player

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You are equally equipped to grief too, just so u know

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Load up pan navi rima and wreak havoc

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But you wont do that bc ur a normal human being

glad pine
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I am not saying this for me. It's for all our other members trying to progress. They are struggling

gritty falcon
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This whale of yours, him being a whale is irrelevant

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He’s being a dick and u need to either decide to fight him, or pacify him

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All servers have dealt with griefers

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Some dont care and continue antagonizing them

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Others (like ours) go out of our way to placate them

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Including asking for a list of names to boot from alliances

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Including booting admirals and leadership from entire alliances

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Its all a matter of how far are you willing to go

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If the options i proposed sounds like BS, then try something else, or deal with it, or quit

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We had a guy that was camping by our miners to hit them rifht as they went opc...we said war or kick out your admiral and disband your alliance

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They tried to hang on for a week but ultimately they caved

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And then one of them decided to go rogue

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And started hunting us all day

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There’s always a way to survive in the game if you are willing to leave your comfort zone

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The problem is, most players are adamant: “i never want to leave my alliance, i never want to give up my territory, i never want to change my gameplay style, i never want to do this or that...BUT i definetly dont want others to do this or that to me! Never!”

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The game isnt a shopping list of what you want...pick and choose what you can achieve based on the circumstances

crude sandal
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'war' against a solo player is a pain in the backside compared to an alliance - they have a target rich environment, and you just don't
If he's a larger (40+) player on a 1year server, he can probably keep up the assault without doing any mining, for months - which means he only has to expose his big ships to you, meaning you have even fewer targets.

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The pro of it though, is that he can only be looking in one system, and parked in 5 at any one time

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So the key is basically, active mining, or fast mining, one of the few times I'll go for a Northstar over my Horizons for doing dailies is during war

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active insofar as keeping an eye on it to pull out if he appears in system

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have people start to call out in GC when he arrives, takes longer than 5s to clear a system of miners 🙂

quick coral
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@gritty falcon @crude sandal please keep conversations in appropriate channels.... I don't want to have to read through your conversation to see what feedback exists...

outer blade
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Dear scopely, please put in a particle generator for those of us who can't get access to TC space. There is a whole research tree that is completely cut off from use. I'm not saying throw me an ocean of stuff here, but a small tap of 123 iso and all three particles from outside TC would be nice. The rsch requires large amounts to advance anyhow but you should at least allow us all to unlock it. As is, we're at the mercy of the whales or alliance hoping

crude sandal
quick coral
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Lol, not a mod. But, appreciate it

crude sandal
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Nah, sorry, I wouldn't have been dripping sarcasm for a mod... 😉

nova sierra
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Anyone here watch star wars?

crude sandal
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Are you old wise Yoda, or flying-green-snot yoda from the Prequels?

gritty falcon
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The role playing discord is 👉 way

quick coral
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To me, burning should be reverted for the simple reason of game mechanics. Burning is applied, therefore it should happen. Kirk's Morale is applied at the beginning of the round, it takes effect right away. Lorca's Hull Breach is applied at start of round, and is in effect for the very first crit. Pan crew Hull Breach is in effect at start of round, regardless of whether they are crit against or not. In my opinion, if an ability is proc'd, then it is in effect. So, if Georgiou procs burning at the start of the round (which is not a guarantee unless using Pike and Moreau), then burning is in effect. Regardless of shots fired or whether or not you survived the round. Burning was applied. Therefore, the 1% damage of burning should go through BECAUSE the ability was applied. It does not matter when the damage goes through, but it should go through because the ability was applied. Nero burning makes more sense to "wait" because he requires a shot to be fired before burning is applied. But, even then, if the ability is applied, the ability should do its thing.

gritty falcon
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If you're going to make a "logic" argument and talk in the abstract...here's logic for you = There should be no way a level 1 ship should be able to cause something in the order of BILLIONS times more cost in damage to a max level 50 ship.

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It's like charging Ferrari owners BILLIONS more per gallon of gas than a go kart

last nest
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If a mirror on a honda civic got broken by a stray rock compared to a ferrari there would be a big price difference on maintenance costs

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But keep trying to make arguments

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🤣

feral hearth
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Can we make the level range for hitting bases smaller? I'm getting sick and tired of going to eat dinner and people raiding me so that I don't even have the resources to repair my ships.
Particularly when people are hitting me that there's no feasible way for me to fight back at all. As a level 23 I shouldn't have people in the 30's trolling up to my base and making me literally unable to play the game at all.

tight flower
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Shields?

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you get 24hrs of shields every day from doing your dailies

feral hearth
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That's nice, but if I'm not PERFECTLY diligent I get my res taken. I literally had it down for 40 minutes because I went to eat dinner with my family. I literally couldn't even repair my ship so I could play the game.

tight flower
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shielding is an unfortunate necessity

feral hearth
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I shouldn't have people attacking me that I have 0 chance against. It's just poor game design.

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And that's why I'm here in the "General Feedback" room

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Giving my "General Feedback"

tight flower
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I'm just saying they gave you a way to stop it already.

feral hearth
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Yeah. I sit down for 40 minutes to eat dinner. One minor slip-up and I can't play the game because somebody sharks me that I can't do anything to counter other than be perfectly diligent. It's frustrating.
You shouldn't be expected to be perfect to survive. It would be one thing if people my level who I stand a feasible chance against were hitting me. But it's not, it's people way above me.

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That's like having a Martial Arts competition and just because you went to the bathroom for 5 minutes you get put up against someone 5 weight classes above you.

tight flower
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what level are you and what level is hitting you? And are they taking multiple hits to crack your base?

feral hearth
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I'm level 23. I got hit by a level 30. Who cracked me in 1 hit.

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with a 1.2 million Saladin against my 2.3 million base.

tight flower
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23 is actually where it starts to get bonkers so I understand where you are coming from.

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that first time someone just comes along and destroys your station without you doing much to them is disheartening. Are your defense platforms maxed?

feral hearth
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Nearly. 2 level 22 and one level 23.
But my point stands that I should be able to set the game down for 40 minutes and eat dinner and not be on it 24/7 just making sure my shields are up, not even doing anything constructive. It's one thing having a wide range for hitting ships so that people can clear 0 nodes and stuff like that. I'm fine with that. I just have a problem with people attacking me that I literally can't fight back against.

hardy socket
feral hearth
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That's nice that you do that. It doesn't address my primary issue though. I shouldn't have to be perfectly diligent about maintaining my shields. I shouldn't have to worry about someone way beyond me in the game coming and taking everything I have because my shield ran out for 40 minutes.
I wouldn't mind if it were someone near my level. I have a problem because they're so incredibly beyond me that even if I wanted to hit back, I can't.

glossy bramble
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@feral hearth It could've been someone your level as well that did the same thing. It doesn't take much to crack a base, base defenses are woefully underpowered

hardy socket
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if it wasn't him it would have been someone else
I've raided bases close to my level taking 5-10 hits to do so and emptying within 30 minutes total

glossy bramble
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I'm level 32, I can get cracked with 1 Shot from a guy my levele with a tiered up enterprise

feral hearth
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Again, I would be okay with people hitting me near my level. Because I can feasibly hit back. Someone 7 levels above me I don't stand a chance against hitting me is unacceptable imo

glossy bramble
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Ok, but it doesn't solve the situation of you being raided when you put your phone down and forget to shield

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The shield is your only real defense against getting raided

feral hearth
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I feel like I'm not being heard in my main gripe so I will restate it.
I shouldn't have to be perfect about shielding to avoid being hit by people so far beyond me that there is no feasible way to fight back.
People near my level hitting me isn't my problem. People so far beyond me being able to raid my base that I can't hit back at all is my problem.

hardy socket
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Bearded is correct, when newer players in my alliance ask for which ships and bridge crew to use to defend their station I say use a shield

hardy socket
woven flare
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When are we getting a sarco event. Suppose to get the sarco for free yet no sign of any events to get one.

glossy bramble
feral hearth
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I'm FINE with being hit by people near my level. I'm NOT fine with people so far beyond me hitting me. Shields are tangent to the problem

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The wrong part of my issue is being focused on

hardy socket
feral hearth
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Yeah. That's my gripe. That's why I'm upset. Shields are tangent to the issue. That's why I feel like I'm not being listened to in the slightest.

glossy bramble
hardy socket
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Ok, but it doesn't solve the situation of you being raded when you put your phone down and forget to shield

You sad this, that's what we focused on

feral hearth
feral hearth
hardy socket
feral hearth
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"I feel like I'm not being heard in my main gripe so I will restate it.
I shouldn't have to be perfect about shielding to avoid being hit by people so far beyond me that there is no feasible way to fight back.
People near my level hitting me isn't my problem. People so far beyond me being able to raid my base that I can't hit back at all is my problem."

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A literal quote from myself.

hardy socket
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it's easy to get sidetracked in any conversation - in person or online (even more so online). What I like to do is write whatever, then reread what I write to make sure my primary point(s) are being addressed.

As much as I said maybe this game isn't for you, the requirement of shielding so much is a bit annoying, especially as shields do not extend time. And being one shot by someone 5+ levels above you is disheartening. But timers really help me, mainly for making sure I don't get hit when I don't want to be - shields, 0 nodes, OPC - but really so I can turn the game off and not have to keep checking.

feral hearth
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But I shouldn't have to do that. I shouldn't be able to be one shot by people 5+ levels over me.
That's the key. I'm not talking about how it is, I'm giving feedback to what I think it should be.

mental elm
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Got some illegal killers running around. Powfagged hitting everyone mining no matter the capacity.

amber locust
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Taeban's comment has merit. To start, shield or share.

That said, if my base gets hit by someone 8 levels above me, that essentially becomes a force of nature event; I was hit by a tornado and can't hit back. Except that this is a PvP game, so there is an element of fairness at play. My defense is keep my shield up, and that works against everyone, regardless of their level.

Now, I get hit, and want to hit back. What are my options? I can bounce ships off the other guy's base (assuming i know where it is). There was a game mechanic where you could take Realtas and burning crews and have a chance at some damage, but that was modified recently. So, doing that means that I waste resources, because I am too underpowered to have an affect. I can keep my eyes open for people in his alliance who are lower level than me, and hit their bases. That may result in retribution from the higher level player, and the cycle starts again. Or, I keep my shield up.

The approach up to now has been shield or share. I would add a coda that indicates that irritating others has a tendency to result in vengeful behavior on the part of those higher power players. Seems to be human nature.

If you got this far, thanks for reading. My $0.02.

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And no disrespect intended. I'm confident this discussion has happened in the past.

glossy bramble
mental elm
glossy bramble
fathom trellis
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I see both sides of the pvp banding. On one hand getting hit by a guy with a ship 4x my maximum power ship sucks.

However, the costs involved in upgrading even one component or base component become exponentially more. That level 29/30 hitting your level 23 base taking the millions of trit you stockpiled is because he/she/they need that more than you. At level 23 your ships are maxed out for a mere fraction of his ships. It makes sense to take from those who can't use it all up or specifically need it compared to themselves.

On the other hand, if he raids all your rss you have to scrimp/save and raid to get RSS back. Or mine for days/weeks/months. I'm not gonna lie at level 29 mining anything outside of Latinum, Iso or G3 materials is pretty pointless (I can mine g4 materials in our territory but I have no use for it. Bit like these level 14 alts that people use to hold nodes and call foul if killed off the node). But at level 23 mining Tritanium would give me enough to repair and upgrade my Kehra or Turas or Vahkhlas

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In general ship to ship combat, banding is insane. In some regards sure a level 39/40 swatting me is a bit like getting The Rock to come swat flies for you with a nuclear bomb

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But then I can go pick off a level 39s miner easy as pie

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So if anything I want to be able to attack even higher than I can so when some whale is on a 0 node or opc I can kick his ass and take it

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But I understand setting a downward limit is required

cobalt gust
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and you just showed why there is not a proper economy in the game currently

fathom trellis
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Of course

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The only way to remove the dependency of bigger players on raiding the lower players is to make the cost increases more explicable and reasonable

cobalt gust
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yea, raiding is inverted

fathom trellis
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Also, what would potentially help players out more than the current vault/storage system a way to refine basic rss (steel/trit/dilithium) in to coins for later redemption when needed

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The cost of doing so being based in a way that makes it fair. If a player has say 100m trit and converts it to tokens he may only get say 25m worth

cobalt gust
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Old Man said that the resource gens were under review, so maby something will come from that

fathom trellis
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But that 25m is kept completely safe until needed

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Alternatively they keep 100m on deck and risk the raiding if they don't shield

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I'm merely spitballing numbers but you get the idea. A very expensive trade off for security

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And maybe the higher level vault you have, the better the cost ratio

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Up to around say 75% of what you process being saved

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At level 50

cobalt gust
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oh lots of idea's the could work, just add 1 or 2 zero's to the resource gens, and have them auto add to the stockpile every hour would be a good start, make them actuly produce all the time

unique turret
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Is there any way to report bullying behavior? There’s a (much higher level than me) player parked just outside my base, hitting anything coming back.

feral hearth
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Nope. It's "part of the game" unfortunately

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All you can do is move your base

gritty falcon
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Totally agree with that and totally on board

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So make G4 ships cost 100 times more expensive than a Realta to repair. Heck, make it 1,000 times more expensive, wait no im generous TEN thousand times

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Realta costs 7 parsteel, so lets make it a cool 10,000 Parsteel to repair a G4 ship

gritty falcon
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Pop a 12 hour shield, log ONCE every 10 hours and reset your 12 hour shield (dont wait for your shield to expire, there must be overlap)

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Thats at most, 2-3 times logging in every 24 hours for 10 seconds MAX

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If you cant be bothered to do that, well you have only yourself to blame

gritty falcon
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Maybe you can’t crack the higher level players base, and nor should you be able to when youre weaker

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But you can use your kehra or vahklas to blow up that player’s miners

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It is also incredibly easy to level from 22 to 30

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So if youre that concerned, just rush ops and within a month or two youll be on equal footing

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There is absolutely no reason to linger about in the 20s when the game is throwing materials and speedups at you to reach the 30s

feral hearth
gritty falcon
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Its not victim blaming

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Its how the game was designed

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You, a grown man and an adult, can freely choose whether to play a game with a specific design and mechanics

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The same applies to every game ever made

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You either like the mechanics or you dont and you vote with your feet

red rampart
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@feral hearth, that's the inherent Nature of true PvP combat. I've played MMORPG's on dedicated PvP servers. I've been on both side. Been handled mercilessly as a fairly low level player by players at high to end game level. Yanked low level players who rolled characters on a PvP server because the PvE servers were offline. I've also played in limited PvP environments where outside of a battleground or arena unless you were flagged for PvP you generally couldn't be attacked by opposing players. I've played games where there was no downside to PvP short of losing periodic rank based rewards and games where if you were killed by an opposing player they could loot your gear (including equipped items). I'd like to see tighter banding (especially in PvP based events, but I'm good with just keeping my shields up when I'm offline and generally not making myself a target.

feral hearth
feral hearth
feral hearth
nova sierra
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@feral hearth give feedback but don’t get angry when people respond or critique your feedback. Everyone else is entitled to an opinion too!

deep kernel
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is there a way to win or buy Goon crew credits?

haughty totem
deep kernel
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ugh... i'm still a few thousand points away from Scoundrel

bronze axle
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Current structure of takeover where anyone can enter is not playable with the lag. It’s so bad alliances across servers are using Lag as a strategy. Either need better capacity to support all the ships or a way to limit who participates.

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Also hear a dozen people a day talk about quiting due to lag and poor customer support.

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And another half dozen I don’t hear talk about quiting cuz they already quit

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People talk about not spending anymore because the game is dying and people are quitting which compounds on itself.

glad pine
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Exactly the same on my server. We also have some who formed non territory takeover alliances because they are so fed up with the lag. Took me almost 5minutes yesterday for my Sally to kill a fortunate during a takeover. That's just ridiculous! To avoid the big alliances just having every territory why not limit an alliance to only 3 territories as well. Then let them start a countdown timer for the next takeover so it's at a time that suits their members. The times for a lot of the takeovers dont work for many people

robust helm
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#Returntheburn

nova sierra
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The win message or banner must be replaced in the message button where the battle shown up, had seen this in other star trek games and it fits 😎

quiet knoll
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Remove the stupid lat sale ad on my main screen, I will never buy lat, does anyone?

steady tendon
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Allow us to turn off banner notifications. Intrusive and usually bugged.

gloomy depot
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Territory s need a cost to enter takeover s not just the alliances trying for it but also the ones there to help or just to be aholes if u don’t join u can’t see in the system simple and keeps the fight to those who are invested in and should help to lower lag by eliminating the extra none relevant plays from the fight

nova sierra
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Ceasefire is needed in the US

fathom trellis
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EU-156 server.... we can't be the only ones with loads of G3 nodes broken again. Can you please re-run the debug script for this? Hell make it a weekly/monthly thing with maintainence

muted kraken
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Can you guys please help those on the east coast by providing us with a ceasefire shield?
We can't log into the game due to this internet outage.
PLEASE!!!

cursive finch
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Then how are you on discord?

cobalt gust
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funny thing is internet routing, just cause someone can get here doesn't mean they can get everywhere

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and discord has west cost servers

fringe drum
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I recently upgraded armada control center
Its now asking for rare armada tactical cores.
Searched net can not find where to get these.

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39 armada control center

muted kraken
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Don't ask me, I'm no tech geek. I can't get into the game yet I can get in here, YouTube etc. But not the game.

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Get them in alliance store

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Rare? I'll ask my alliance on discord. They'll know

muted kraken
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A mission in deep space is all they could tell me.
That's how you get them. Hope that helps

robust helm
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#Returntheburn

meager geyser
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Take another look at Augment space. Since the data mining changes everyone has been forced to use 2 or 3 systems leaving the rest useless

hardy socket
amber locust
gritty falcon
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you should not be able to compete with someone who played longer and harder than you

vapid oar
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Depends on the server. Players on newer servers might be level locked at 39.

placid ermine
hardy socket
gritty falcon
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level 39 is perfectly grindable

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a level 31 can also do significant harassment to a level 39

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a level 31 has a Saladin which can take out G3 epics that are hunting hostiles with PMC

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a level 31 has a vidar that can take out all of the level 39's miners

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a level 31's Saladin can reach the w56 deep space systems and destroy g4 miners

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so don't sit there and whine about what you can't do

granite light
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But a 31 can't reach deepspace because its level locked. Other than that spot on.

gritty falcon
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does W56 G4 systems require level? i don't remember

chrome vortex
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#returntheburn

granite light
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All G4 is level locked.

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I am unable to complete my rom mining dailies, but thats okay for now.

hasty vigil
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Deep space doesn’t unlock until l38

potent silo
tight flower
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or TC space

jovial plank
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Having so many territory takeovers in one day sucks, got like 8 defending today

nova sierra
tight flower
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allies defending as well

echo bolt
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Getting Vahklas blueprints for killing Bird of prey 1.7mill strength targets,.....REALLY?????!!!!!!

willow raven
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A level 31 would be lucky to get one shot off on a 39 ops base. There is a tremendous fundamental imbalance in this game. Scopely knows it, has heard all the complaints and doesn’t care. It’s their business model. If people don’t like it they should quit because it’s never going to be fixed. They don’t want fair fights. It isn’t in their best interest.

tight flower
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to be fair in any level based game as one progresses lower level people increasingly have no real chance against them.

last nest
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wrong division

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destiny

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league

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but you only know mobile games probably

jovial plank
nova sierra
tight flower
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last PC game I played was warframe

tepid robin
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You aren't forced to take part in any of those takeovers. Your choice.

midnight pewter
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terms of service and general quality of service breach article 34 paragraph 3 section b of the UK consumer rights act circa 2015.

crude sandal
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You can guarantee there'll be a line in the TOS/EULA that says they don't assure uptime, stability, changes in gameplay, etc that will cover them off for tht though

slim pilot
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Hi, I got LAG errors from yesterday, enter systems with some hostile that appears to attack me and I couldn't show it... server 140 for me.

gritty falcon
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Dont come crying to mommy bc you forgot to shield

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A 39 isn’t anywhere close to a whale

gritty falcon
vapid plinth
red rampart
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Can Scopely hire some competent CS Representatives? For over 2 days I've been trying to explain a bug where I got rewards for the Prime Real Estate daily that I didn't earn. I keep getting canned responses showing that I completed Parsteel generator E on 1/25 yet I had done that over 2 weeks ago. I got the same Prime Real Estate daily reward on 1/26 and provided screenshots showing that it was flat out IMPOSSIBLE. This isn't a nagging bug like incorrect or stuck toast notifications. It directly affects gameplay.

tight flower
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shhhhhh let it be

devout eagle
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This really irritates me. It’s deceptive advertising.

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@fringe tiger

tight flower
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limit 4

devout eagle
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$400 unlock

tight flower
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it's a horrible deal

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most of them are

devout eagle
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I dont think it is too much to ask to have Scopely be more honest with their store advertising. It shows respect for the players and to the community that has been very loyal to this game. @fringe tiger Every time I bring stuff like this up in in-game tickets, Scopely ignores them completely. To me, one of the biggest problems in this game is that Scopely does not listen to user feedback. They do what they think benefits them the most and then pray that the users keep playing/ paying.

midnight pewter
opaque bronze
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I Support “Return the Burn” scopely bring it back

next kindle
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I Support “Return the Burn” scopely bring it back

nimble canyon
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I support “Return the Burn”, Bring it back Scopley!

misty oxide
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I support “Return the Burn”, Bring it back Scopley!

potent knot
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I Support “Return the Burn” scopely bring it back

rotund wyvern
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I support “return the burn” Scopely, bring it back!!!

tender raft
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I Support “Return the Burn” scopely bring it back

midnight tundra
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I Support “Return the Burn” scopely bring it back

slim wagon
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I Support “Return the Burn” scopely bring it back

quaint creek
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I support “Return the Burn”, Bring it back Scopley!

silent spear
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I support “Return the Burn”, Bring it back Scopley!

quick coral
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<@&509690795536941056> no battlepass event today?

surreal condor
analog dagger
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can you (scopley) add one more drop down banner? Please...we need at least one more...thanks

jaunty whale
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That was disappointing when I did the TOS tribble mission. Was hoping a reference to assimilated tribbles... and to see Kirk ask Borg?

Hope they don’t miss another crossover opportunity. khan!!! & Mudd

Kirk: “Ur friends with both of them???”
😱

“Cybernetic tribbles? heroic Mudd?? Reasonable Khan???”

“Spock we need to get out of this universe, it is madness!!”

dapper cave
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How do you want decent gameplay, if the company's server can't handle a big ship battle?

wise marten
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What's the deal with the spawn rate and the chest drops on the Ferengi Trader why so few and far between

azure holly
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The only thing that changed this arc was the latinum refinery with the new token (chance) and research...

median gyro
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App notifications are very inconsistent. Repaired ship tends to chirp at me. (BTW, was the chirp replaced with a tone by devs or Samsung update?)

But 4 attacks in a short time span, and I knew nothing of it until I wandered back into the app.

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hot fern
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As I move up in rep, I would like to discuss one of the biggest daily annoyances. The lack of level 39+ hostiles. I believe you should eliminate level 38 hostiles from level 39+ systems. NOBODY is hunting 38s!

nova sierra
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I support “Return the Burn”, Bring it back Scopley!

dapper raptor
quick coral
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@dapper raptor not for me. I have to specifically kill level 39+ hostiles.

dapper raptor
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But you have a lot of those spread over the faction

quick coral
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Which is different than what you initially said. That brings in a different issue. Not all 38-40 hostiles are the same. I can go to one lvl 39 system with veteran explorers and they do less damage than other level 39 systems with veteran explorers.

dapper raptor
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Sry Mate. I still don't see the issue there is a lot of sys with 39 hostiles scattered all over that you can easily kill with PMC/PMT

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Usually Ppl has an issue with dailies where they have to hit 42+ hostile that you can't find until you reach dark space

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In that specific case, hiting 38+ is counted

quick coral
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For me, issue is mainly an annoyance of time.

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I don't want to have to warp to 5 different systems to get 25 kills

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Also, I am ops 32 with just a t8 sally, so... limited in SOME aspects...

runic mantle
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please fix your APIs. please. I'm getting so exasperated with the dialog hell that is caused by repeated API client exceptions. And how my ships can't seem to figure out where they are randomly until I restart the app. This isn't even quality of life improvements, this is basic functioning application expectations

proper crypt
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Can someone point me to where I can request a spam account be removed from this server?

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potent silo
proper crypt
red rampart
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@quick coral, hit the Feds in Wolf or Groombridge (the 39's aren't veterans) and Klingons in Ursva (same a Groombridge).

cold totem
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I suggest that when you leave an alliance you are not allowed back in the same alliance for 72 hours. Hopefully this will hamper alliance hopping.

nova sierra
cobalt gust
nova sierra
cobalt gust
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no, your in your allaince, stay there unless your moving to stay in the new one

nova sierra
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May I ask what ops level you are?

cobalt gust
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31

nova sierra
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Okay - some buildings here are 3 months +. Hopping is beneficial. It just is

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It just has some downsides. on your server

cobalt gust
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on MANY servers

nova sierra
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Not on ours. As always, you only hear the people who aren’t happy

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Your solution is bringing a chainsaw to a steak

cobalt gust
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our number 1 power allaince has gone to god mode and is dictating who gets what

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no, just an machette

nova sierra
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Either way a waste

cobalt gust
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not when your facing 3 50's at once times 6 ships

nova sierra
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We don’t see many mercenaries. We do have 2 large coalitions that hop between themselves for particle access and helps. So to fix the problem on your server you would completely upend a different one?

cobalt gust
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thats the kicker, it has to be the same base mechanincs for all servers, and you have some of the same issues we have, coalitions, never was suppost to be any

nova sierra
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Who says that?

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The diplomacy icons are there for a reason

cobalt gust
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go listen to the dev interview about territories, it was suppost to be 1 alliance vers 1 allaince

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no i did not

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i listened to it many times

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you mean coalitions

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they expected maby 1 ally

nova sierra
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Either way, if they said it surely they will fix it some way. If they didn’t say it, then you’re free to make a suggestion. Even when it’s a very inelegant chainsaw

cobalt gust
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its not the few, its the MANY that are not happy

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you only see part of the feedback here

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you can bet your bottom dollor the surveys said tons

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and just cause you like it, doesn't mean its working properly

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as is yours

nova sierra
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How is his argument biased 😂

cobalt gust
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cause its his

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instaly has a bias

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we do not agree on this, thats fine, we are not the ones making the desions

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good for you, we don't have that experiance, we faced 12 allainces at once each time we defended and it was not enjoyable in the slightest cause of the multitude of issues there in

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that has 0 to do with territories

nova sierra
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It does with alliance hopping

cobalt gust
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and imo that is an exploit and should be delt with as such, apparently Scopley doesn't share that view currently

nova sierra
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Back in the day there was no cooldown

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And scopely dealt with that

cobalt gust
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exactly, and they didnt fix it correctly, cause if you got helps, you shouldnt get more when changing alliance hopping, thats a lazy programmer

nova sierra
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In your opinion

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You only see your negative mercenary story

cobalt gust
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that is all we have here as players our own opinions and ideas

nova sierra
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Yes, but people are more likely to listen to you if you kept an open mind to someone else’s banes and arguments

cobalt gust
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old man did, and thats all that counts

nova sierra
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Good for you 💪

cobalt gust
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i game him the 1 ally idea, and he took it to look at it further, now that doesn't mean that it will happen either

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just cause i counter your points to show the opposite side doesn't mean i don't get your view, i have done game balance before, so what is good to you stands out to me as an exploit that shouldn't have made it out of alpha code

nova sierra
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You don’t counter any points though. You flat out ignore them and just reassert your own argument phrased differently

cobalt gust
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oh i did, just not with a sledge, i can do that also

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and you and i have gone at this before, so think back

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an ally is good, can counter a stronger group, true, but it is being used by the high power allainces to play emporer and hand out territories to those who don't stand a chance without them

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those tend to cancel each other out

nova sierra
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I have more interesting things to remember I must admit. But good to see you recognise a balanced argument - there’s hope for you yet 😉

cobalt gust
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oh im going to sit and watch the fire storm when Scopley add the forced 1 v 1, and all the ones that complain then will be the ones who have abused the current system egregiously.

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i have played on the short end of the current system

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it sucks

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most of the coalition that is against us agrees what happen was wrong and several other words i cant use here

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im glad you and others are able to do so solo alliance, great, i want the same

nova sierra
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We Arent though

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As a top10 alliance member, I’m highest in power yet barely breach top80 of the server. So we need coalitions. Those are built on two year long relationships delicately fostered including alliance hopping, particle sharing, fm sharing. In fact, our trrritory strategy revolves around it

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How about a more surgical solution as I proffered earlier - individual weekly tokens in order to enter territory during a takeover. Say 3 per week with a max stock of 5

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And sure that undoubtedly has caveats too, but it’s 1 right off the bat and 2 doesn’t destroy other servers in the process

cobalt gust
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its an idea that requires the non competing alliances to be blocked from the system, which i am all for, though i disagree that you should have that many, shouln't be able to be there for every defence/attack of your ally

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maby 2, and its the same cost as if you were attacking to side, as i sugested as well

nova sierra
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Its not just for allied takeovers, also for your own

cobalt gust
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your own is the resource cost

nova sierra
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To prevent the mercenaries as you said

cobalt gust
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24 hour cooldown is what i would have done, make them commit in advance of the starting gun

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so the other side knows who's on the roster

nova sierra
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Be in 24h before takeover start?

cobalt gust
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but it would be everything from that alliance, help's, particals, etc

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yes

nova sierra
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That would only solve part of the problem though - people still can and will join other alliances for helps. Especially if there’s a 1 day difference between their own alliance’s and the ally’s takeover

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It would happen less of course. But ultimately having that intel doesn’t change anything for a defence - since you can’t do counter moves

cobalt gust
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yea, and that part is fixed server side, they need to track on your research/building/etc how many helps have been used, and if the new allaince has more, you get the difference, but not the whole list again

nova sierra
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But that I don’t wanna fix with 3 month buildings 🙈

cobalt gust
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lol, latinum

nova sierra
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Thats 27k though

cobalt gust
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true, it cant stop it whole sale, but you make it inconvienent to just hop around, make them stick for a minimum time, then they have to miss events and cant help their home allaince

nova sierra
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Giving individuals 3 tokens a week though injects strategy into the game

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If you decide to help someone else, it’s at the cost of your own...

cobalt gust
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most games that have guilds/alliance/ehatever have a minimum time in the group before you can access the benifits

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i see what your going for there, but that has many issues, and those are thorny

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even if you keep all 3, you cant help for 2, so at least part of the allaince is useless,

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and that is 99.999999999999999999999999% of the time a no go for group things

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hence why its a non starter

nova sierra
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Or it fosters cooperation and teambuilding - exactly because you need to actually discuss whether you should come to a defence / attack or that it’s uncontested

cobalt gust
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or, 1 token, can only be used on an ally, and only get 1 per 7 days

nova sierra
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Now people get a notification in discord, send some ships, done. No interaction

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But that still wouldn’t solve the hopping mercenary problem

cobalt gust
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i know, thats the whole reason for making it cost them event contributions

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if you have to stay out for a day plus, you just hurt your home alliance on the aliance events

nova sierra
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Yes, but again that has a far wider impact which on at least my server, destroys ways more than it builds

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Okay let’s compromise

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Lets cut building times tenfold and implement 24 h cooldown 😂

cobalt gust
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lol

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oh i agree some of the building times are way too long

nova sierra
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Personally I haven’t hopped solely for takeovers, but will help if I’m there anyway

cobalt gust
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its an upgrade, not a demo and rebuild with student engineers

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yea, if your there your going to help

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the whole core issue is the lack of limits, they made a sandbox area with the way they played it when they developed it, and that isn't how the majority are going at things

nova sierra
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The further tech develops though the more incremental upgrades will become. See it as when iPhone first got an App Store vs iPhone 11 to 12

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True that

cobalt gust
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and we both have the same narrow view, our own server, which is different for both of us, but there are what 80?? more?, so its the over all view that they need to go by

nova sierra
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Yup - which is why discussions like these help. Although it might be too long for them to read now ...

cobalt gust
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they do have someone read through, ouch

nova sierra
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Hahah

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Speaking of hopping, I’m letting my alliance raid me in about an hour :-p so am happy to be back before rollover

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Needed billions of steel for my push to a 5th dock, now I also have a huge trit surplus that I won’t be able to spend for months

cobalt gust
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yea, economy, or the lack there of

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would love to be able to turn in bp's for something, resources credits of the faction type at the very least

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and the 1 thing i would love to see is the event rewards where you have ore/Crystal/gas, LET ME CHOOSE WHICH ONE I WANT

nova sierra
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I mean, they had a market building right there for over a year. The idea was there

cobalt gust
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no issue with them setting the ammounts/uncommon/rare number , just let me select the type

nova sierra
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Put some strategy into it. Now we’re mostly just waiting until scopely gives us enough