💣-arena-feedback

[trim sedge]

I call shenanigans on arena and everything that happens in arena. Worst part of the game IMHO

Definitely needs improvement

[tiny plank]

Just so you know, my Rotarran has a lvl 50 crystal and a lvl 40 cannon... u see the officers...

[odd forge]

Any chance arena can be on a different day?

[fallow mica]

Match ups should be based on spend

[fallow mica]

So should pvp brackets but that'll be the day

[toxic pine]

||ABANDON BUTTON||

https://tenor.com/view/nope-abort-unsee-cant-shock-gif-13997074

[tiny plank]

I’m sure that’s reflected in the power levels of the players

[icy hemlock]

This week we gave up on matching in our Alliance as no one would compete with the level 50 players. We got on GC and picked one Alliance and joined for the night. Sad that we had to do that, but it worked. We got well balanced matches because we were all similar in power range. Hate to reset my Alliance rep once a week, but it is what it is for the moment.

[tiny plank]

Hopeful that scopely follows thru with allowing cross alliance squads… they allow it on waves, seems like they should especially for arena

[waxen star]

Considering arena has nothing to do with alliancd

[steady nest]

Only I’ve participated in the first arena event. Never again after that. Please, extend it or change to weekend.

[tardy pelican]

Monday is the worst day for arena
But they know that already

[valid junco]

Monday is a great day for it unless you are playing the FarmVille version of the game

[winter marlin]

We need to run this Arena on a weekend day. Not all of us can join Arena on a Monday at a certain time.

Saturday/Monday or Sunday/Monday

[tardy pelican]

Nope it's not and latinum rush have nothing to do with it
Monday is the most busy day for working people
And arena isn't a 5 min done thing
Should be weekends and 24h , give people a real opportunity to check it out
See so many people just skip it because time investment needed

[valid junco]

Not everyone works the standard week

[tardy pelican]

Not everyone has a free Monday

[wooden cape]

Yeah Mondays is the worse day for me to be engaged in any content that requires focus. Arenas are a no go for me until it's moved to a different day. Weekends being my first choice.

[rocky osprey]

Y'all got any more of that arena?

https://tenor.com/bzio4.gif

[rapid badger]

https://tenor.com/view/fml-buenos-dias-kill-me-gif-15609738

Actual image of me matching up with a suitable opponent in the arena.

[pale swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/vivek-comedian-vivek-vivek-comedy-splash-dirt-splash-gif-18136479

[coral spoke]

Im an admiral and the gen feedback from my alliance is that they'd participate if it wasn't on Mondays....

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/lag-gaming-door-gif-17974671

Arena is more like this

[coral sequoia]

100%

[pale shore]

https://tenor.com/view/going-to-bed-fail-caleb-labelle-daniel-labelle-midair-lagging-fall-to-the-floor-gif-27075152

[idle timber]

Since you changed the way you are matched up. I think arenas have been great. I do wish it was on a rotation for days run. I totally understand why it can't be 24 hours.

[silver mauve]

Scopely first has to get the lag free for 1 hour, than they can think about 24 hour

[edgy iron]

If it was 24 h, we wouldnt easily find matchups, which would screw the matchmaker again

[onyx loom]

I am gonna just say it straight up not a fan of the arena. I have tried it every week but it is either a) some super high level player joining an arena that nobody within the range for me can beat. Or b) it takes forever just to get the squad going in the first place. Also it takes up all youe dry docks so you can not do anything else in the game.

[torn cairn]

would just like to thank Scopely for fixing the terrible matchmaking by making the game lag so badly that Arena is impossible to play

[late atlas]

nice matchmaking so what says closer to ops lvl my back

[late atlas]

nice one again xD

[late atlas]

how is this count as defeaat @gritty cobalt

WT hhj is this?

[exotic knoll]

<@&509690795536941056> Pairings Great, good fair matches. However LAG!!!!! Lag is what's killing the experience. You fix the lag and it will become the best weekly event you have!

[late atlas]

even my dog can write better coding

[native arrow]

Arena lag is a big issue, I've had a few matches where lag has directly caused a convincing lead to a defeat because of not being able to target, move or start armadas

[wintry dock]

Hello, a question: if you work and have appointments, like I did on Monday, and therefore don't have time to take part in the arena, what can you do? I work until 6 p.m. Then I make dinner and then go dancing straight after. The earliest I can take part is 10:30 p.m. But I have to go to bed then because I have to get up at 5:50 a.m. on Tuesday. So maybe I'll have a chance to take part when I'm on vacation. That doesn't really make sense, does it? How about an 8-day rhythm or 6...

[shy minnow]

join and have someone run losses for 8 hours and you will still get lots of tokens

[wintry dock]

what kind of solution... I don't like the Ally. She takes it too seriously

[pallid hawk]

I missed something? EU121 server

[storm vine]

Matching still a desaster.
A player with access to a higher ship class single-handedly paralyzes the other team.
As soon as this constellation becomes visible, there is no need to move out at all

[willow mantle]

matchmaking is 💩 today

[sleek flax]

Seriously Scopely, the lag has been DREADFUL for weeks, but this is now making the game unplayable, especially things like arena. Ships jumping around all over the place. Buttons taking 2 or 3 seconds to go green after killing a hostile, ships not warping in to systems. It's AWFUL you have to sort out this lag before you keep adding more stuff to this game. The best parts of the game (territory takeovers, incursions, arena) are being seriously impacted by this

[old wing]

Still no good matchmaking

[magic pawn]

'nough said..

[vocal harbor]

so much for scopely annnouncement that they were making them more equal

[cedar seal]

Lags are horrible on EU servers ...

[wary roost]

Lag and matchmaking is still turd

[inland cloud]

this ~ 45 second timeout happens way too often during Arena

[wary roost]

<@&509690795536941056> this matchmaking is absolute toilet and the lag is making it unplayable anyway. May as well bin the arena off

[vocal harbor]

typical scopely, fixing the taps when the house is flooded

[sleek flax]

OK so I found a good fix for the lag

[willow mantle]

Your prise won't get you free packs

[rich rain]

forget about queue times. blue ships have no chance against epics. reduce the brackets, as this is ridiculous. take it from me: queue time is not more important than fair matchups. and no, it won't motivate ppl to spend money either

[edgy iron]

I have no idea what these guys are talking about🤷‍♂️

[flat basalt]

Arena will always be uncompetitive if the borg cube has a pseudo cloak.

[hidden zephyr]

Got a fairer match up on paper, 49, 53, 53, vs 49, 53, 53, except yet again wiped out by biggest ship because Mantis buff does nothing against PVP tech, even my fastest ships couldn't outrun their fastest ships and then when I finally got to hit the 49s Newton he had Red Matter FT and my Pilum, PVP crew etc didn't even scratch it. So not even battle triangle seems to matter.
Reduce brackets to match the team captain ops range - if I'm 49 make the max fight be a 52, who at that point might have a Nova but not a hulking G5 that can stomp every other ship to dust.
I've done one arena match this week and that's my lot. I don't even want the Vindicator but hey, FC Lorca is locked behind it and I don't have a credit card. Sorry to sound like a Grinch

[sacred linden]

Pls stop server ops lock 50 vs server no lock ……..

[edgy iron]

One big loss in 22 matches😄

[tough birch]

This ⬆️

Buy the FTs and you win, where’s the fun in that for someone who isn’t a credit card warrior? You lock a ship that is the only way to source FC Lorca which forces everyone to participate to get it that can’t afford to spend to buy it

[fading ice]

is there any chance to ever get a fair matchmaking <@&509690795536941056> ? week after week I'm matched against OPS 70 players on EVERY match. For clarification: our highest player in squad is OPS 67

[sacred belfry]

This match making is not doing well

Arena is dead

[covert pumice]

This event is definitely a whale pleaser. Especially with lag and targeting making it an even worse experience.

[plain aurora]

5 matches and 5 times lv ok... power as near as possible... from my position matchmaking was very ok...

[covert pumice]

3 matches (3 x ops 59) and each time against multiple lvl 60+s. Can't compete with the next lvl ships

[olive harness]

Matchmaking consistently matching G4 Server against Unlocked, old servers. seems fair...

[harsh grove]

An unfair system, how can we fight the ship power of a player who is level 52. I wonder who thought of this.

[narrow tangle]

I got some great Feed back for you change the day you do arenas like to the weekends so people who work for a living can play

[clear sparrow]

Matchup is poor, very little balance, too much gap range between potential higher and lower level players. Tried it for 3 weeks with range of power levels. Without realtime Comms the "team"aspect can't really work. Needs tightening up to give reasonably equal chances of winning

[mild iris]

Just did 3 rounds in the arena...... it is absolutely no fun....extrem lag, ships are shown at completely different places then they apparently are (I thought this bug was fixed? seems not)
It is unplayable with this lag

[safe fox]

ooh what a fun and competitive match

[alpine mantle]

If you want to fix arena:

1. Remove alliance based teams and add a solo queue.

There are 3 main reasons for this:

• players are not able to form teams of homogeneous PvP strength (actual impact of a player in a specific PvP mode), which makes fair match making impossible
• in average it takes more time to group up with alliance mates, because the pool of players is very limited (they need to be in OPS range, online, willing to play arena and may not already be in a different arena team)
• system can actively be misused (a team with OPS 40 & 47 & 54 has a huge advantage over a team with 3 times OPS 47, even though they have the same average OPS level; the OPS 54 player will win the game)

2. Use arena ranks (or hidden ranking) only to group up 2x3 players for an arena match.

OPS is maybe a rough indication for player strength, but it does not contain enough information about ship strength, PvP/speed crew availability, actual crewing knowledge, arena mode specific player skills. Arena rank over time will become the much more reliable number for impact of a player in this mode.

[craggy heron]

3. do it on the weekend, not on Mondays with 3/4+ of the time during working/commuting hours

[harsh grove]

it must be a lot of fun.

for those who designed this arena.

I think Scopely is entirely to blame for allowing it.

[valid junco]

#🌠-rules-and-roles12 message please don’t name and shame

[muted badger]

Let's keep an open mind about blame.

[harsh grove]

like, what do you suggest we do?

[neon heart]

Scopely are ENTIRELY to blame for this rubbish

[sick jacinth]

whats the saying again? "don't hate the player, hate the game"

[neon heart]

What exactly are we supposed to do with this garbage?

[sick jacinth]

if you have the option to skew the arena matchups in your favor why not use it?

[harsh grove]

we don't hate the game.

[neon heart]

There is no such thing as a strategy that will ever work when rubbish like this happens. Scopely designed it, Scopely apparently fixed it, yet it's clear it's the same rubbish every week. Exactly who is there to blame for a feature SCOPELY brought in, EXCEPT for scopely?

[inland cloud]

🤮 66 p2w vs max. 63 - this sucks. and same match 2 times a row already. Time to get things fixed instead of releasing new stuff

[brisk meteor]

fix lagg pls

[harsh grove]

I like the game on the contrary. but they need to fix this situation, after all, this is not a situation related to the players.

[neon heart]

People might start stop blaming scopely and complaining if they actually fixed it like they've said they have, matchups can be absolute terrible, lag is worse. When Scopely sort their crap out, then maybe people will stop. Until then you get what you bring out

[magic pawn]

Ah ok… thanks for free speech

The aim is not to shame, but to show how players take advantage of anything they can because arena allows 14 ops wide

[inland cloud]

3 times the same Opponents - worst matchmaking - 💩 💩 🤮 🤮

[short basin]

Surrender option still needed. Wild that it hasn’t been implemented after well over a month of feedback

[thick verge]

8 levels above starter? Shouldnt that not be possible?

[inland flax]

balance) the Scopely are good at math, but they only know how to count money

[sudden phoenix]

Level range is only a restriction on your team's construction. The matchmaker only uses average of levels and ranks to make a match.

[inland cloud]

sadly matchmaking is still crap and the "mechanics" are misused hard.

[inland flax]

1 and 100 average 50) 50 vs 100 you count perfectly / Is the sarcasm clear?

[inland cloud]

waiting 4th time in a row for opponent to get his score. 1 opposite player has more power than we 3 together.

thx for nothing

[inland flax]

61lvl only needs impulse speed and it will destroy all 6 ships 56lvl

[inland cloud]

no docks anymore

cant control anythin

[jovial moon]

work on a solution to not use 1 low power player to get 2 high power players against 3 mid power players

[edgy iron]

Its not tough to beat higher ops. Just needs good research and plan.

@muted badger dont pay too much attention to the negativity, fix the lag and the mechanic is probably the best you created the last 12 months. Most of the guys complaining here are the same guys that complained about how incursions isn't an opt-in pvp mechanic😄

[grizzled tangle]

Arena is still ultra buggy

[low otter]

can't leave dock. awesome. Error 0 through multiple restarts and multiple devices

[knotty obsidian]

They need to implement a Match ops came ASAP. So no match has a player with ops advantage. Far more important that the arena tier you are

[edgy iron]

Not at all, that would be a pure pay 2 win match. Between same ops alone, the one who pays the most wins. Between different ops, research and other factors give you an advantage.

[harsh grove]

With 2 level 60 players, it will be easy to beat a level 62 player. Yeah, I think that's funny.

[edgy iron]

This?

This?

Stop blaming the game for your lack of skills and research😉

[mint parrot]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[harsh grove]

I congratulate you that many people are wrong and only you are right.

[edgy iron]

At least I bothered to create a sample of evidence rather than show two hits and give up. There are plenty people doing this right, but obviously they arent here because they have no need to complain😁I am merely showing you there is another way

[mint parrot]

you mean: throwing money at scopely?

[harsh grove]

you're right, we could've done a lot of good research by paying for the game.

This could be a good way.

[silk tapir]

Since you scopely dont take a hint about armadas. Nuke the event and delete it from existance. Its only getting people angry

[edgy iron]

Oh no, not at all. I am not suggesting everyone is f2p in the screenshots, you should know some purchases would be needed when you downloaded the game, but with tactics, and the right buffs you can help even if you arent the top pvper in your team.

[gentle pawn]

I'm 59 and can have level 66s join my squad. Yet we ended up against a team with a level 58 and a 67.

[mint parrot]

Do you realy belive that a buff helps a g4 ship against a g5 ship?

[alpine orbit]

you don't understand how the matchmaking works clearly. You team level range isn't the limit, it's your average ops. So if you have a 59 and a 67, and for the sake of argument a 63, your team has an average ops of 63. I think the range is +/-4 your average ops, so therefore you can end up against 67s. It's also the average ops of your team, vs the average ops of the other team. So if you have a tight range (60, 61, 62), you could easily end up against a 67, 60 and 53

[edgy iron]

Tactics, when buffs fail🤷‍♂️

[blazing epoch]

Arena interest is basically non-existent in a top alliance on the server I am in. Is it time to move past this DOA feature yet?

[jovial moon]

FIX THAT LAAAAAAAAAG

[silk tapir]

To add little tally. 26 matches. Mostly matches like pictures posted here, 3 wins out of 23 losses. So where is the "fun" in this? On bigger player with speed crews on. Then no buffs and debuff's help.

[tawny lark]

Enter match doesn’t work, half the time only 1 or 2 of the 3 man team even get to the match.
Rubbish.

[echo escarp]

Can we please get a forfeit button?

Absolutely fed up of getting “matches” against squads we have no hope of competing against and being locked out of doing anything else for ten minutes.

[surreal oak]

I’m 64 and have seen us matched against a +7 Ops team:
60/64/64 vs 64/70/61

[deft ledge]

Those happen when there's no one else in the range to match you to

I agree with the general point i've seen above that this is the best new feature we've had in a long time in terms of how it plays
It 100% has lag issues, and there are still tweaks that can be made - making it so that a team can self organise outside of just alliances would be an improvement - perhaps an invite player feature? I'm seeing that senior players of smaller alliances really struggle to get matches

[rose tartan]

I’ve still yet to be in a match that wasn’t completely lopsided from the onset. Folks in my alliance are participating in alliance tourney at a vastly higher rate than arenas. So far, no one has managed to get a squad together today.

I’d report on today, but I can’t get folks to do one, they’re soured on the feature

[gentle pawn]

But when I create a squad as a 59 the max level that can join is 66. So how can mr 58 on the other server have a 67 join the squad?

[mint parrot]

Please build in a "forefeit" option in th arena.

[edgy iron]

That sounds good until half of your matches are a series of "forfeit" notifications.

[tough birch]

So what? Better than watching someone who spent on the unbeatable FTs camp on the entry points and prevent anyone from having a meaningful engagement

[edgy iron]

You might as well do auto resolve in all matches then. You might as well give forfeit buttons for servers in incursions. If you decide to opt in to playing arenas, you opt in to a match. Thats it. Any matchmaking games (take LOL for example) discourage deserting mid matches for this reason. This should be the same.

[sly prawn]

The game got really broken with all the stuff and primes. No buff/debuff should allow this imo

[rich cove]

Selection and event still sucks! Just drop it.

[edgy iron]

Doesnt this mean this person did good research and won against a bigger opponent? Doesnt this prove exactly that smaller players doesnt mean all is lost in pvp? I find your screenshot refreshing, instead.

[rose tartan]

Sounds like a great time saver. Arenas are the most time consuming event to reach max rewards right now

Arenas exacerbate the pay to win aspect of PvP. If you’re not spending you’re not going to beat someone who is

[sly prawn]

Both ops 66, mu pic is one of the PvP metas and shouldn’t lose against speed crew. Nsea isn’t even a PvP ship nor gets any faction bonuses. Imo that’s not refreshing :/

[edgy iron]

Not really, compared to latinum Mondays, Faction Hunts, Heavy Hitters, Crucibles (need I go on?), this looks like a breeze.

[edgy iron]

Research then.

[rose tartan]

No, it takes me about 4 hours of active participation to complete it. It’s too time consuming to justify

Waiting for matches, usually going up against much bigger players that I don’t have a chance against, full 10 minute matches, it adds up

[mint parrot]

prime research is a part of throwing money at scopely tactic, chaos technology as well.

[rose tartan]

I’m giving a f2p perspective here. PvP is a money pit to have the new meta to be competitive

[edgy iron]

Not all prime research is pay to win, especially with all the new ways to get primes. Some of the best players in the screenshots I showed above were f2p. Im bad at pvp, but with good teams I still achieved good results. Others, yes, pay. There are loads of ways to play this. You just choose to complain instead.

[neon heart]

NSEA is overpowered, when people have spend hundreds getting them to tier 10+ and are killing g5 rares, the ship balance is screwed. All this nonsense about about research and what not is pointless, you could have maxed your f2p research and get screwed by someone much lower ops than you with the p2w primes and pvp stuff. Pretty clear from the get go this was just a money grabbing opportunity from scopely to gouge as much cash as they can from people by getting them to rage spend, all it's going to do is annoy people to the point they don't spend or even play the game anymore. So called "second" fix and it's done nothing to change the rubbish match ups

[rose tartan]

Bottom line, this is going to be a polarizing feature, engagement is going to get worse over time, not better, as a result

[edgy iron]

Personally I see people waiting the entire week just for this. Many that barely tried to pvp before started being more active and enjoying it. And those that cant stand it, simple choose not to, like the so many pve events we have, now we have a pvp event instead we can choose to participate in or not🤷‍♂️

Plus, having an alliance with active players that can win matches has nothing to do with the alliance being f2p or not, it has often to do with the alliance not having enough actives at a specific level range, or not having good teamwork. Thats the reason why choosing what alliance you will join is actually important.

[neon heart]

Tactics might as well be thrown out of the window with some of the matchups scopely are doing. It doesn't matter how much research you've done, how big your ships are, when someone at the next grade of ships or higher annihilates every pvp crewed ship with a speed crew, stinging the ship, buffing yours wont always work, those are the matches people want to skip and not play, because they are insulting to the majority of the players and only the whales enjoy them.

[latent jasper]

When your enemy team has 530 impulse on a Sanctus it's pretty annoying especially with the game lagging that just happened to me

Dude just pops Infront of you with no time to react can't even target a ship because the button is greyed out for 2 seconds

[sinful gate]

Arena isn't working. Poor matching, players with primes/skins etc. Awful performance issues, nobody in my alliance wants to play it so barely get a game. All players could have same "arena ships", with pick ups, in arena items etc. Make it a level playing field

[mint parrot]

Why 'complaining'? We are playing arena weekly. I shared the screenshot because i found the matching hilariously ridiculous 🤷‍♂️ .

[knotty lantern]

Make this opt-in in a sense that the faction store can be accessed by pve grind stuff as well without having to engage in arenas. Because most are not bothering, matchups are dumb, always the same teams indicating no ones participating and performance wise it's unplayable.

[rich cove]

How about fixing the game so mission dialogues stop popping up during arenas!

[grizzled tangle]

People exploiting by bringing two low power so they can run the board with one high power player

[brisk rapids]

They didn't even launch a single ship...no idea why. They were more powerful than my team

[rich cove]

Maybe they are sick of play a very flawed arena event.

[hidden zephyr]

My alliance suffered fatigue with it earlier, one of my comrades called for one arena match and no one responded and quite a few explained (again) why 😂 I've taken the decision that I'll never take part in arenas until Scopely fix the matchmaking sufficiently or maybe even make it 5 vs 5 again, it felt much more even that way. I find myself complaining about it way too much for my mental health to be wasted on it, and so shall just enjoy the game at my own pace, as it was meant to be. Or else I won't want to stick around with the game much longer.

[rustic jungle]

The arena matching metrics / mechanics need a total rethink. Disable FT and CT buffs, for example. I have been in enough arena mismatches to make it something I don’t do any more. It could have been fun but the way it is now a player needs maxed ships with maxed Borg cannon & tantalus to have a chance. The event matching needs to consider more than player levels or a fair match will be almost impossible. If there is another survey coming up soon the arena event will get the lowest possible rating from me.

[lilac lichen]

all this misery because i didn't spend 200$ in game. maybe just $100. that silly made up ship that nobody wants and a the new FC. It's like the whip all over again.....

[odd bough]

Would be nice to have pvp FT avaliable ftp so ftp can have a tiny fraction of a chance at hurting others. As it stands now, you can sting them, have max fort and Cerritos and still not make it more than a couple rounds.

[willow mantle]

It would be nice but you know

[odd bough]

$$$$ rules

[gilded brook]

Again, my alliance has very low participation in arenas. I spend the first hour with no one joining or creating a squad. Then it's family time, dinner, kids to bed, and sleep for myself. I have maybe an 1 and a half that I can try and participate. In the past I've been able to sneak in two or three wins for minimum pulls for a week. Today I haven't been able to join at all due to schedule. 8 hours is way too short a time frame. This should be a 24 hour event like everything else to give people a chance to actually join! No wonder you have such low participation numbers.

I want to join and do arenas but YOUR time limit is making that very difficult to impossible for me.

[wispy bobcat]

Can there please be an option for people whose alliance cant/don't do arena? Despite my best efforts to get them to...

[willow mantle]

Indeed it does

[haughty horizon]

100%. There's one group of 3 in my alliance of 90 members running arenas right now, and two of us are stuck at 2/3 trying to fill a 2nd group for going on 15 minutes now. There's a couple mid-40's players who stopped in during the day to run them too that couldn't get a team together and gave up. I won't be doing any arenas this week, most of my alliance won't be either, and I can't see that changing as the weeks go by.

Open up the team making to the entire server, and let this thing run for 24 hours. You've put two big artificial limits on team creation (alliance-only and 1 8-hour window) that are going to kill this mode.

[brisk rapids]

This was such a fun and balanced match...said no one

[tired nexus]

match making for arena's is pure trash

Scopely can either address match making or see Arena's die off in another week or two

[vagrant linden]

the power match is fixed, say no more, this one the last match i will ever enter at arena, just cant bring myself to this stupid event anymore

[rocky verge]

<@&509690795536941056>

the lag in arenas is absolutely atrocious tonight.

[austere otter]

I'm done with this event. You've had your tweaks and everyone's learned to game the system. I was fine with that. But this atrocious lag, broken attack button leave me no choice right now but to wash my hands of this event.

People have complained for 2 weeks about the attack button issue, guess it was more important to fix the whales Kir'shara artifact and break the game fir your feeble f2p and light spenders.

[idle gale]

@muted badger This is why f2p get frustrated with arenas.

Terran store has some amazing perks in it, but, for those of us too frustrated by arenas (pvp) or can't manage the time, there needs to be an alternate method to acquire those rewards.

[brazen matrix]

My max in bracket is stated at 57.

[spice fjord]

It is not. Your max TEAM is 57 and your max opponent CAPTAIN is 57. Your max opponent is 64.

The disparities between g-ranks aside, Id like to also throw my hat in the ring of "this chosen limited timeframe is dumb" since this is the last week I'll ever be able to participate due to a new job and schedule. I'll quite specifically be working the EXACT hours this runs.

[lyric nacelle]

Lag was/is terrible still....also matching is laughable....got to play against the same team back to back 😅.....but seriously if this event continues it's gonna be known as a P2P event... enjoy the couple hours of pounding in game if you like it free

[spice fjord]

It already is lol

[brazen matrix]

wtf

That makes no sesnse

[spice fjord]

Welcome to Scopely logic where only the wallet warriors dictate gameplay.

[brazen matrix]

🤮

[fathom jasper]

Cutting bean should be disabled in arena. The bigs beam my super fast protector. The beam gives them a huge advantage.

The arena matchups should be based on power, not OPS. I have faced lower level OPS players with much higher power levels all day...

[signal temple]

<@&509690795536941056>
The time time block for this event it ridiculous, third time I haven't been able to participate in an arena and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Pass it to the powers that be to make the arena event 24hrs, if lag with the regions is the issue run them all on different days.

Not going to be able to put any vindicator shards this week, thanks 🖖

[signal temple]

Agreed fast ships is the only real advantage against the true whales and the cutting beam takes out a lot of the strategy

[icy locust]

Just wish change days or have twice a week

[ebon dagger]

1. Matchmaking still bad. It felt like it has gotten slightly better. I don't mind facing a player with a ship a few ops above me. I dislike differences like having an ops 63 as biggest ship vs an ops56 ship as biggest ship. That's to much for buffs and debuffs to work with.
2. Lag ruines games.
3. Do something about that timing. Whatever it is, stuck on a few hours on monday isn't it. Although I rarely can partake, I think monday is a good (otherwise eventwise boring) day but not as the only option.

[idle timber]

For me as a 50 I felt it was always fair. They do need to make sure they arent putting the same teams against eacher 2 matches in a row. That happend twice. They rarely put us with 52s or higher.

Lag did mess me up sometimes.

[plain aurora]

hm was yesterday few times in with 49/50/50 and got a 56... that 56 wasnt very hard and we win but if a player pushes more in pvp power on this lv we havnt a chance...
please fix that.
g4 and g5 seperate same g5-g6! (42-52; 53-62, 63-70)

[tired stratus]

The match making seems to be done on average team level mostly. Based on the last few screen shots above the team averages are with in 3 levels of eachother. My guess is this is the only way scopley could think of making it as balanced as they can (not saying it's perfect). The problem is that the group range is very high so it's easy for people to work this to their advantage. I did this last week. I had a 47 start a group and ran with myself at 53 and an ops 42. This means we generally got matched with people who had balanced their group closer to eachothers ops level and that was a massive disadvantage for them as I was able to control the field. The only way scopley can sort this is tightening the group ranges but that comes with additional problems as higher level players in an alliance may not be able to get a group.

We have a couple of high level players in my alliance and they currently struggle to get a group even with the brackets being so wide. So for scopley at the moment it's a lose - lose situation with grouping and matchmaking. The things scoplwy can resolve is the stupid lag and bugs like ships being stuck in warp or in place etc. I mean they make enough money have have decent servers given all the whales they have.

Also I beleive FT and CT should be disables from arean. If cloak is disabled then they should be too. Make it about just ships and crew.

[alpine orbit]

Yeah and if you did the maths, you'd see your team had an average ops of 62.6r, and the team you played had an average ops of 65, so well within the limit. This is really simple maths guys.... I really shouldn't be having to explain this to people, I could work out averages when I was 9

[alpine orbit]

because it's based off the starter. Take me for example, I am 64 ops, and I can end up on a team with someone who is 50 ops. This is because I can get someone who is 57 ops starting an arena team, I am able to join them (as their level range is 50-64) and so is a 50 ops. So the starter for that team was between 60 and 65 ops, meaning they were able to have a 58 and 67 ops on their team

[plain aurora]

ft is the only chance for lv 50 to win against 53 or 56... dont think that ft and ct is the problem... the problem is that scoplay dont cap... g4 dosnt play against g5 plsyer and g5 not against g6... the biggest player counts...
you wont play with a pilum against a sanctus! thats the problem and that should be solved. and scoplay should buy better server the lags are extrem... against full speed protector/tailos it isnt funny

[tired stratus]

I would disagree on the FT and CT, as a relatively light spender i don't have any of the pvp fts yet and it's extremely annoying going in to fights where it should be relatively even and I even have triangle advantage and I get creamed because of FT and CT. I would use my cloak as an advantage but that's been taken away from me. So fair should be fair. Everything is available or nothing is

[alpine orbit]

I lost a match yesterday because the lag couldn't keep up with a speed crew, I literally couldn't kill their ship. Scopely have literally programmed a game that their servers can't keep up with, it's ridiculous

[brisk rapids]

At the very least we shouldn't be punished for participation , ie losing rank with a loss.

Having a true ranking system is fine if everyone has access to the same tools. Then the ranking shows actual ability in the game. But that isn't the case in STFC.

And locking even more pvp options behind a pvp ranking system just creates a "win more" situation and is not an indication of actual ability.

[patent slate]

Scooply PvP is park a ship in a system...

[odd bough]

Wait until you get hit by a big spenders that has maxed out research, all the primes and maxed out FT who's 53 ships are gritting for several billion iso damage. When a northcut can take out an mid tier epic in 1 round. Even stung, they take 2 rounds to kill you. You can't compete against money no matter what. Against other light spenders and similar players, there is more competition.

[plain aurora]

had this yesterday 2x epic g4 t10 one of that with timecrystal... wasnt funny... i got him with mantis and own buff cerrito but against 2 of those i dosnt hold... i can hardcore but not 2times.

[nova vector]

Had a bad matchup with a g6 player who mopped the floor with us g5 players. Next matchup: same teams 🥳

[native beacon]

3rd areana in a row I refused to participate.

[halcyon imp]

they can make it more balanced by increasing the weight of the highest ops member in a team.
while the whole team composition has an effect on team strength, it's nearly always the single strongest member that controls the field alone.

[indigo lagoon]

Should they also disable all research? All primes? All artifacts? Officer levels? All fleet commanders? There is so much that factors into ship capabilities, to focus on one thing or the other to pretend that it's the only factors isn't logical. Cloak makes sense to be disabled. It would allow you to sit in your Armada and fire off every one. FT doesn't do that.

Life isn't fair. The game isn't fair. Everyone has an equal opportunity though. They choose to be fiscally irresponsible and support Scopely, you choose less so.

Just so it's clear, I will 10/10 slam Scopely for all of the trash that they put out. And I'm a massive critic of the majority of whales being pompous tools. But complaining that whales exist is nonsensical. Provide constructive criticism and a viable solution and maybe they'll listen. Whine while not being a whale and they'll never listen. Because we don't matter.

[marble meadow]

Need to make arena an all day event so everyone can participate

[tired stratus]

I disagree with you on some of this but each person will have their own opinion and won't see eye to eye. What scopley could do to make matchmaking and pvp fairer in the arena is do what some ofter games do. They boost all players to max level and then it's only equipment and skill that separates the players. They could make ships comparable giving all players max research (with out without primes) and then it's just officer etc that make the difference. That way the whales can still have there whale stuff but it makes things a bit more competitive than just being steamrolled by 1 player.

And I'm generally the one steamrolling as I use grouping to my advantage.

[indigo lagoon]

I just don't see that being a viable option in this. Because STFC isn't a skill based game. It's an RNG and spending based game because of Scopely 's terrible game design. Whales would lose their mind if suddenly every player was equal to them. So Scopely won't do that. I get where you're coming from, and if this game was a skill based game, I could see that being a potentially good structure. But it's not.

[dawn aurora]

I hate it when they use the crew on speed impulse 💩 It causes laggy movement and the location of ships does not show exactly where they are actually located. 😂

[native arrow]

Borg cubes are often like that without speed crew....but with a speed crew on a borg cube they just hop around the system rather than travelling

[indigo lagoon]

The Borg cube is basically unusable in waves and arena with a speed crew.

[rose tartan]

The scheduling is a problem. It’s been 3 weeks now since I’ve been able to participate. This is the first feature since Alliance Starbases that I haven’t been able to get into.

[inland cloud]

Nobody knows where Borg cubes actually are or where they are going. The controls are also fiddly, even if you have the death ray warning turned off

[surreal oak]

I’m not arguing your math, saying the formula is bad if you’re not matching within 1 of average Ops

Also, maybe not being an elitist little brat would help people with dealing with you. Ijs

[tardy eagle]

<@&509690795536941056> ,I have come to the realization that yall will never upset the whales to have them face off against only groups that have similar level whale in it.. im fine with losses now with arenas and the bad matchmaking it does. Can you at least lose the negative points. I'm going backwards fast and I won't be able to even use the credits lossing the incentive to even play them. I did 12 matches last night. 1 win and 11 losses. Not only facing much higher grades of g6 ships and ops levels but I was matching with same group that we lost to 3 times last night. Almost back to back. Only reason we probably didn't match more to them was we took a break from the spanking. Please at least get the bleeding to stop and keep me having the incentive to play in arenas. Thanks

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/lag-slap-gif-5256373

This feels like me in the arena 😂

[nova lynx]

we need button that once the matchmaking is done allows you to drop out

[sinful gate]

Move the start time or at least rotate it.

[wet tide]

I know 24 hours would be difficult to get to but how about 12 hours for Arena Combat please? Would also make sense to do it during maybe Sunday?

[tawny cradle]

Ran into this on Monday. Me (56) and some other 56. His ship was 5 levels higher than mine, but he had paid for and levelled the q cannon and the time crystal tech. There was nothing I could do. No crew, no ship, literally nothing could touch him. I am not exactly weak, either.

[worthy vine]

As I have moved into the ops 50 bracket there seems little pointless me participating as I don't have a ship over 70m

[shy minnow]

Lol they should disable super fast ships then too because that gives them a huge advantage 🤣

[jovial atlas]

Shift focus to actual PvP, not the speed crew and armada centric focus it is now. Drastically increase points for a PvP win and mildly reduce the group armada points. This isn't currently about combat, it's about cloak and dagger stuff.

A PvP victory should be at a minimum as valuable as a solo.

[wet tide]

Only if they can fix it so you don't have a G5 rare going against G5 Epic ship.

[willow mantle]

That’s really not an issue. The rares are good PvP ships (My Sanctus/Sompek used to eat epics). Removing the rep system, maybe. That’s the worst aspect of the event imo.

[wet tide]

Or G5 vs G6 ships in general?

[willow mantle]

That’s more of an issue, especially G5 vs 66+, but that doesn’t mean give up without trying… rares can kill the horrible fire-pattern uncommon G6’s and most players neglect research and crew poorly.

[cold fiber]

Pretty please could we have arenas happen more times a week? Even every night? Monday nights are prohibitive for me and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Really hurts not being able to progress there while everyone else is already able to get their faction ship credit spend efficiency and I can’t.

[quasi token]

Changing the day then doesn’t work for someone else, that’s a never ending cycle - 100% agree it should be move often though!

[astral skiff]

Ship Tracking is broken, fix it.

[jovial atlas]

My g5 epic has blown up more g6 than it's lost too. The matchmaking is mostly decent and there is outliers. Having up punch up and be able to produce a victory from doing so is a great option. If you are getting curb stomped by a higher Ops than this change wouldn't affect you

[cold fiber]

Could we get the store back pretty please?

[humble flax]

Waited some time to comment rather than rant immediately about my experience after "the pairing fix" was implemented. In my 7 matches in the last arena, "surprisingly out team stuck with the attempts," we were paired against a 30B power ship of the ops 70 player while our highest ops was 63. Nothing we did such as delaying entering que changed that. So the whole team was knocked down to beginners arena rank and it proved to be likely the most unpleasant aspect Scopely released to date.

[elfin musk]

Can you set it so G4 servers do not get paired with G5 servers, please / thank you? The age of the server has to be part of the equation. A g4 ship cannot match a fleet of g5 ships.

[mint skiff]

<@&509690795536941056> I don't think matchmaking's quite there yet

[surreal sorrel]

one of those 70s got cracked with g5e and g6r pvp ships home primarily by an ops 64 last night, maybe if you ask him to sit very still and let you hit him again and again all will be well?

[weak shale]

Suggest a forfeit button, this isn’t fun for anyone

And surely isn’t the pvp scopely wanted when they introduced arenas

[halcyon imp]

looks as if they reverted the matchmaking change.
those matchups should definitely not be happening anymore.

[fallen gust]

Why is there maintenance happening in the middle of arena... Especially when arena already has a limited window

[rapid sierra]

Please make maintenance outside arena, I already can barely play it, this just makes it even worse, why not the day before?

[copper olive]

Maintenance during Arena? you can't be serious!

[worthy vine]

Maintenance is now

[fickle niche]

@gritty cobalt this is the 2nd time scopely has put a maintenance in the middle of Arenas on APAC, it's monday working hours for majority of us, the last 2 or 3 hours are when we get to participate and you do this again? and now extend maintenance? At least compensate APAC with Terran emblems for 2 ruined Arenas because of maintenance.

[tardy pelican]

🤣🤣 comp chest inbound

[surreal sorrel]

i missed out on credits + rank increase because our last one ending was about 3 seconds after maintenance started

[fallen gust]

I doubt they'll comp chest anything. They don't give a fly f about APAC. This isn't the first time they've done this and just purely ignored it

[unkempt obsidian]

at least yall can play the arena......i miss out every monday because its during work hours

[pearl frigate]

well technically we can but the servers are SOOOO slow it's close to impossible to do anything in EU arenas now

[sinful gate]

It's getting worse each week. Less folk want to play it, takes up too much time waiting. Team mates, don't like the returned ships, the wait to fill a team, the matchmaking. Its a fun idea, but ultimately a mess.

[pearl frigate]

only reason we're doing it is for the refinery pulls and the ship/favours, not because the arena bit is enjoyable either....

[turbid lotus]

Ships are freezing mid warp to the Arena system

[rich horizon]

matchmaking is still a pile of 💩

[idle sluice]

A forfeit button would be a fantastic idea. No need to waste time when mismatched

[rich horizon]

or just a good matchmaking system that doesn't throw G5 in with G4 players

[toxic pine]

WOW the lag is super bad

[odd crypt]

Sorry, but this matchmaking is the worst I've seen in 20 years of online gaming. Can you just not do it?

[sick jacinth]

the math ain't mathing

[modest estuary]

No clue what those amateur programmers are doing, but every matchmaking is as bad as it was in first arena. Started to work, so let‘s tweak it again to make it as bad as it gets 😠

[dawn aurora]

my friend got error zero and cant join in arena so 2 vs 3 player 💩 (lucky i was strong and killed them all)

[toxic pine]

7minutes now to wait for the other team to win before we can try again

A forefit button is now no longer a request it is a requirement

[fierce field]

Matching badly needs to match on the largest of the players in each group. Otherwise, we end up with situations where a single player on the opposite team has more power than the entirety of the challengers. That just isn't fun or fair.

[tardy pelican]

Honest feedback
The arena paring is total garbage, how a team with max ops58 should have a chance against a team with ops64 in ?
Are the devs living in a fantasy world?
And why over and over paring with same team?
And not let me start about the lag
Pathetic content made by Incompetent people

[red ice]

Matchmaking 😂 😂 😂

[pearl frigate]

had 2 matches at the start that were kinda reasonable but everything since then has been wildy overpowed opponents. So if everyone is getting those insanely mismatched teams, how about you match the big ones to other big ones and make us g5s fight with g5s rather than g6?

[sleek flax]

I've just had 4 or 5 matches in a row where the matchmaking was great. We had 61/56/55. Every team we came up against were either 61/62 plus 2 players at 56 - 59.
It's just the horrible lag still letting this game down. <@&509690795536941056> any word on when that'll be fixed? Something got broken 1 or 2 updates past. Hostile hunting / clicking the attack button etc / arenas / incursions all just feel clunky and dreadful. Especially on the PC.

[rocky osprey]

I can deal with lag to an extent, but this takes the cake. Even a restart didn't fix the missing ships at the bottom, so I couldn't repair, I couldn't really do anything... please fix this asap

[modern kite]

so who thinks this is a fair matchup?

[worn jacinth]

Got an even better one there...

<@&509690795536941056> how about finally taking that stuff off where we loose progress when we get that kinds of matchmaking??

[modern kite]

I lost more arena progress in that matchup than I got in the last 2 combined

[hidden zephyr]

Weekly reminder <@&509690795536941056> I am boycotting this event personally until matchmaking is made fairer, lag addressed and option for 5 vs 5 restored.

[tame root]

This better?

[nocturne sedge]

They should switch the criteria from ops level to ship power like all other games that have this PvP format.

[sharp timber]

Why not do the Arena on the Saturday?, that way there are more not at work and us Kiwis can join in. As it is now we can’t.

[plain aurora]

Question <@&509690795536941056> is that fair AND how can a only g4 grout win that?! i give you a hind it isnt possible! fix that Arena! what does the machmaker in lv max +7? its redicules!!

[plain aurora]

how does smaller player play arena in a group if the matchmater is extteme unbalanced like that!

[winter ice]

hmmm 59+61+62 / 65+62+59 nice MM we cant do anythink :/

[safe frost]

I’m not complaining, but still

[lone lintel]

There's just too much lag in them, I have ships that were half way across the system but the game showed it right at the entry point.

[plain aurora]

think the other group is complain... but its the same 2x 50 vs 57 is like 2x60 vs 67

now show on your group and immagine the other group has a 67

[safe frost]

We had some tougher matchups too, just forwarding another wacky matchup

[mild pollen]

Well another day another arena uncompleted. It needs to be sorted for those who do not have all day to wait for a group and then do like 10 games to get a full weeks worth of pulls. I have not had the time since this has come out to do much arena I have maybe done like 5 of them and now people who have had the time are benefiting from cheaper fkr ships and quicker progression in the game. How about adding an sms into it to get atleast a few pulls?

[wet wolf]

What is this for a nasty matchmaking if i do 8 matches and only have 3 opponents🤔

Ships neede to be kklicked 3 times before attack is possible, stucking in Arena, or do nothimg after klicking attack

And the matchmaking is not better than weeks before

[plain aurora]

@gritty cobalt <@&509690795536941056> ifcscoplay wants that arena survives they should try to change the matchmaking... make a cut between g4, g5 and g6 ships... it shouldnt be able that g4 ships fight against g5... really bad joke... its hard to win against 53 uncommen ships with g4... its nerly impossible against g5 rare and much more research... fix that or that arena will going a hardcore death... noone will play it

[short basin]

Just in a game where a team was able to start middle armada immediately? Anyone explain how?

[wet wolf]

But it is also not possible to win with a 60 ship against 63, 64 or higher players with the next ship level, but with a good 58 ship you can kill the 60 ship

[safe frost]

if the 63 is stupid, it is. full pvp crewed entd at 1.3b can kill a 4b minerva through buffs etc.

[wet wolf]

Yes but only with buffs, i find the arena really a good idea, but the level range is much to high even vor the squads

He had speedcrew on, so you will win easiely against a stronger ship😂

[storm vine]

Do Brackets ...46-49, 50-52, 53-55, etc. open the Groups Serverwide and it will work!

[silk tapir]

How hard is it to do ops lock lvls?

[safe frost]

of the last like 20 matches we lost 2. We fought multiple 60s, 61, 63 yet we won since they had no idea what they were doing

it's definitely doable slightly under powered. at some point it just gets impossible though

[inland cloud]

when you face 69 gold and your strongest player is 63 and all are silver for example.

[silk tapir]

Even to its going to be harder to get players in groups, but groups should based on your ops level and ships you can get access that lvl. Then it could be almost fair

[rough totem]

62/61/56 against a 66 with a 10B cube and 7.6B Kos'karii ... yup, matchmaking still sucks

[plain aurora]

think you cant win with lv 60 against lv 67

its same 50 to 57...

[plain aurora]

try 60 against 66/67... then we will talk

[safe frost]

i mean it's not mine, but still

(was a few weeks ago, probably didn't know how that thing worked)

also heard some people beat power with pure speedy madas

[plain aurora]

i cant win about THIS!

not possible never

[safe frost]

obviously, but you can run😄

[plain aurora]

with 50 vs 57 you cant run

this ships much more faster

[safe frost]

he had no speed crew

[plain aurora]

That ship has speedcrew!

against those 2 ships it isnt possible to win!

[safe frost]

protector with riker una kuron dane, FC lorca and kirk and he can't catch you

[plain aurora]

you cant win!

his sompec warped through the system...

i have often played against protector... they never wins 1 game against me...

that sompec with speedcrew is fast enougth to move in few seconds through the system... if his ping is bit better he wins every time...

[safe frost]

then that's an internet problem or what the youngsters call a "skill issue"

[plain aurora]

you wont imagine that its impossible to win against that... may be you are to long g5 and you dosnt know the problems from lower ships... you dont want belive it... that will be neverending diskusdion if you dont change the point of view from g5 to g4...

[jolly cove]

Stop calling these Arena's and start calling them 'look how much I have spent of FT'

[safe frost]

i'm 53 for like 3 weeks. used to be the carry in an 42-49 squad

[plain aurora]

ft dosnt work if you fast death...

iam 50 for 6 month and a cant carry 49+50... because the 57 on the other side...

and you dont carry it was the lv 60

[safe frost]

why you pairing with 49 and 50 lol, you'll obviously get way stronger opponents

[plain aurora]

thats the probleme with this matchmaker...

that is the problem i talked... lv 49 open should never play against lv 57...

against lv 53 ok i can deal woth it but 56/57 shouldnt possible

[neon heart]

Nice to know arenas are still terrible for matchmaking, so much for the "fixes" and "improvements" to the match making, I've heard better lies from a 2 year old toddler.

[plain aurora]

thats the problem and that must be solved

[safe frost]

yeah 55 max is reasonable. some matchups are doomed anyways but that's with same level too

[rough totem]

I wish I could enter arenas just by myself so I can chain lose quickly enough to have enough points to do my weekly pulls ...

[plain aurora]

and that the cause why so many player wouldnt play it

the problem is that you cant skip/leave a match...

[neon heart]

There's a reason scopely hide and ignore this chat, they can't or wont admit arenas matchmaking doesn't work and they either cant fix it, or cant be bothered.

[plain aurora]

against extreem unfair matches you must play its reficuless

[plain aurora]

then arena will dies really fast... it is weekly but noone play it

[neon heart]

The trouble is, people want the innovative engineering to make it easier to get the ships, not to mention the premium dust, can't imagine many people buying any of the avatars or frames from them. Not to mention it's the only way to get MU officer shards

[plain aurora]

i can go for g5 for cheaper want much more but it wont work if you dosnt get the rank or pionts

[neon heart]

That's the issue though, they've put quite a bit of stuff and locked it behind arenas, and then hide when people bring up the same issues every week. Week after week it's the same garbage and scopely just bury their heads in the sand hoping it'll go away

[alpine mantle]

If you want to fix arena for everyone, this is how you do it 👆🏻
Having solo queue with team building based on PvP rank. Like every good PvP game does it. They do it for a reason that way …

[neon heart]

It's pretty clear scopely don't want to fix arenas, or they'd be actively trying to, they have made annoucements about "improvements" but it lasts a game or 2 then it's back to the usual bs

[lilac lichen]

@muted badger this is a good example. this is what you want [ if your jolly roger ]. such a large spread with the top player dominating. the level spread is only 3 between the 2 groups [ 149 total v 152 total ]. power in jollys favor by almost 96mil [~= 496 v 400 ]. Shipyard level and total power, I would hope would be a good metric for the matchmaker. Hammy, above is what people are trying effectively as loot is tied to rank and therefore rewards. [ making another rich get richer situation ]

it also can make it less fun and its basically a gauranteed loss when it happens. example: 3 49's[ 46 ships ] vrs a 56/49/44 [ up to 56 ships ], you catch the idea I'm sure.....

[halcyon imp]

would be nice if the attack button worked the first time, and i didn't have to click attack 3 times to actually initiate an attack on anything.
even on hostiles, i click attack, my ship moves in for the attack, and then just sits idle while the hostile flies off.

[obtuse geyser]

Lag is terrible now in Arenas

[lucid sonnet]

ppl still play arena? what is this madness

[halcyon imp]

this is going from bad to worse.
my ship gets stuck in battle, so i restart the game.
my docks are gone, can't see what ship i have selected and i can't repair so i restart the game again.
now all ships are gone, i can't do anything at all.

how am i supposed to do arenas when all the docks and ships are gone?

screenshot is after 2 game restarts.

[inland cloud]

restart ain't helping. Docks come back after arena (loss)

[halcyon imp]

ended up winning, managed to wreck enough opponents before it got too bad so the rest of the squad could score 1000 points.

[inland cloud]

you have to max out the +-7 OPS range to have a chance of winning.
what a lousy design

[neon heart]

How are you zoomed out so much yet can see the ship names?

[halcyon imp]

community mod on pc, wide screen on mobile.

[ivory helm]

just now! error_0 not available ships & even don`t see my base

[lilac lichen]

we are effectively losing rewards due to scopleys poor matchmaking. My group 49/49/51 [ 349 power ] vrs, so far 46/50/56 [ 504 power ] and 49/51/56 [ 466 power ]. took 20 mintues to get a group. these are guaranteed losses [ unless team is afk ]. @muted badger this is why people dont like this feature. the fact that this affects my ranking and therefore my rewards is beyond frustrating. the time commitment is not worth it.

[inland cloud]

nobody from scopely seems to care. going to 💩 on this crap and join just for the 400 credits. hopefully there will be lots of afk squads around. makes no sense to play this 💩

[hollow wraith]

Well another day of Arena's passed by.

Good:

• Match-ups were decent, only a few exceptions to the rule, most were challenging (lvl 55-64), but a good sport nevertheless.
• Matching went quite fast, ~10 to ~30 sec wait time. Wouldn't mind waiting longer for a better paired match.

Could be better / room for improvement:

• The lag was quite horrible at certain games. Up to a point that the lag really seemed to be in excess of 5 seconds.
• Some combats seem to take longer (probably lag issue), causing players to miss timings (especially the 10 sec. window for armadas)
• A 'forfeit' button with added penalty and timeout (for example), when a game really has no chance of winning. Also good input to analyse 🙂

Requests:

• an ALB or something similar to challenge alliances to participate 🙂

[broken wagon]

Arena matching makes this unplayable. Every match is against 1 or 2 70s of which we have none. There is no way to compete

[scarlet wind]

I had the fun experience today that the arena kept telling me “matching” forever and then was informed we “lost” without even joining and I dropped one level… the fun part was I had a miner in deep space so I couldn’t have even entered an arena match that we “lost” since arena recalls all your ships back

[steep slate]

The reason no one takes part as much as when it’s on people are either in work or just dealing with real life day to day stuff. I don’t believe it runs long enough I believe it should be a 24 hour event, I would play more but when it starts I’m about to finish work and travel home and after having food and putting little one to bed I have either 30mins left or it has finished.

[scarlet wind]

And the next match, by the time I finally joined it was down to 5 minutes left and one of my teammates had already scored a bunch of points so I looked like a freeloader not joining the battle

[scarlet wind]

Even 12 hrs could be fine, but yeah, 24 hr would be nice—they stagger incursions so if needed they can do that too, if it’s too much load on their server infrastructure

[blazing epoch]

Another week, more bad matchups by some (those lucky enough to have interest to form a group), and more lack of interest in participating from my server. Couldn't make a group of 3 last week. Can't make a group of 3 right now. When will the credits this "feature" sources be provided through other means since it is already dead in terms of participation on some (all?) servers?

[carmine roost]

It would be great if non-participating alliance members could watch an arena event. A big part of real arenas are the stands.

[ocean flint]

When the matchmaking hits so hard that you eventually give up but still need the stupid ship BPs…

[elfin surge]

Arena mechanics are great! The application works well. What sucks is this matching! I can see + or - 2 OPS levels, but 7 is over the top.

[ocean flint]

It took me over an hour to get a team together. +/- seven is necessary unless they go to 1v1 or 2v2, but they need to be less rigid about the Ops levels of who you face when you keep losing (or winning, in theory).

[silk citrus]

Observed Problem: Our alliance has players interested in joining a squad, but there's not an online player with convenient ops level to bridge. Example- Ops49,Ops58,Ops59.. If a Ops52-56 were available, any of these 3 could join.
Proposal: The squad leader can manually assign where they are within the +/-7 window rather than forcing them to the center. This way, as an Ops49, I could create a squad that accepts Ops35-49 (42 +/-7).. or a squad that accepts Ops49-63 (56 +/-7).
Benefits: 1) No reliance on possibly scarce middle ops alliance members, 2) This added flexibility could allow narrowing window from +/-7 to +/-5 and prevent over-dominant lucky squads, 3) Participation at more hours of the day due to flexibility

[safe quest]

The time gap for Arenas is to short, and can't get enough players to join most of the time. Maybe put another day.

[latent jasper]

They need to fix the lag an greyed out for 2 second attack bug or is this the Quality over Quantity category they've been yapping about?

[runic isle]

Can we get a "pick up group" option region wide? You queue up, get placed with 2 players so the +-7 rule isn't broken, and only match with another pick up group. Change the rewards to be contribution based, to minimize leeching.

[lilac lichen]

the answer is join with me ram 🤣

[brazen matrix]

Holy crap LAG!

[torpid prawn]

need to let people with the 2nd ship repair be able to use it in arena i mean they spent money on it and cant use it during arena

[muted badger]

https://tenor.com/view/i-care-about-you-i-care-caring-compassionate-conan-o-brien-gif-11224360

[brazen matrix]

Stuck ships have feelings too. Having to clear cache in the middle of the fight.

[plucky briar]

how does scopely make a decision on this when both sides have the same exact score?

[gilded brook]

Has happened several times when I go into arenas screen then try to leave. Having to restart app to clear this bug.

Also noticing lag during matches which is not fun.

[fierce field]

Okay - I've been pretty harsh on Scopely the last 4 weeks of arenas. I still think that the top player on each team should be used for matching but I do believe that this week seems like its been closer in fights. I appreciate that.

[woeful harness]

This is an unreal match up. A level 50 with a 700 million ship and it’s maxed at 52. Every matchup today keeps getting worse. Gone from a Silver 1 to a silver 4. How can you fight anything that’s under half your power and defeat you with no damage. This is by far not even a fare competition.

[spring dawn]

So much lag, screens freezing, have to restart the game (PC Client) regularly. What's going on??

[wraith canyon]

Haven’t won a match in 3 weeks, don’t ever expect to again. I now join and come back 5 min later, there’s no reason to participate.

[light saffron]

The arena is still uneven, the ties between squads, they should lower the range between levels more.

[crystal grail]

You should ease up on the requirements to progress past Gold II. Needing to win > 50% of the matches to progress is excessive. It should be possible to progress all the way to the end even with a losing record, if slower. This isn't that kind of game.

[sage ingot]

done about 9 arenas tonight and won only 2. I'm not seeing the equity in the match ups

[woeful harness]

Lag is horrible. Can’t attack a thing. How can you win if you can’t attack while other team running like leaches.

[tired nexus]

arena matching is still trash 👎

I'm in the top alliance in my server and no one wants to do arenas anymore because they continuous get bad matches

[indigo night]

Lag continues to be almost as bad as the lopsided matches. 46-60 band shouldn't end up opposing a 58,61 and 62

[golden mortar]

I hate to say it bud but a lot of those matches look fine on paper. It’s that fact that your team all look underpowered for their ops level. Take a pause and dump into research. YMMV

[ocean flint]

Obviously we’re all underpowered for our levels, and I do plan to pause at 56 to catch up. But that’s irrelevant to my point that if we lose a few, we should stop seeing 56s and above and should match with, say, a 49, 52, and 54, which never happens. Just like that 49, 52, and 54 should start seeing 56s if they win 10 in a row.

[hollow basin]

The Arena system needs to be removed from the game. You've tied PvE progression to PvP, which is ridiculous on its face. Then you match players in radically different tiers, players without PvP FT against players with PvP FT, and basically made the entire mechanism pure stress and zero fun for anyone but the whales.

You got me. I caved. I made it to Silver III and spent $100 in your store to buy the coin I needed to purchase the G5 bp cost reduction. So I got the PvE progression I needed, by paying you off. And I will never, ever do arena again.

[unique robin]

This is absolute BS matchmaking

[wet tide]

How about the Syndicate xp and the FT favors?

[hollow basin]

Nice, but not enough to make me suffer through arena. I got 1 tier of FT favor with accumulated green coin. But just reinforcing my point that tying PvE progression to PvP is utter BS. The rewards for PvP should be for PvPers.

[fierce field]

You should never have a matchup where a single player on the other team is larger than all three of your players combined.

[unique robin]

Its absolutely ridiculous

[alpine echo]

Or a player of a level you can't have Join your armada, we had that happen three times in a row, something is broken...

[light saffron]

Monday is a very bad day for the Arena, most people start a hard week of work and there are few players to join the squads, so the parity is not fair and sometimes not a single one joins the whole day.

[alpine echo]

Just had a group started by a 48, with a 52 and a 53, and we went against two 59s. How is that even possible?

Would rather is wait for a matchup of opponents that meet the same entry criteria as our team

[tawdry fable]

Make arena half the time and triple the rewards make it worth playing

[alpine echo]

Or ship tier based, so at least you go against the same * rating ships

[hollow root]

Can i get a 1:1 at my level? That sounds like fun. Going against someone with a ship 2 to 3 x your power not so much 😬

[silk citrus]

I finally managed to get two others from my alliance to join a squad and after 2 utterly mismatched battles, they're both talking about quitting the game completely. Something's gotta get fixed here. Hope someone will consider my proposed solution above.

[austere forge]

i see now why players dont join. The atena is so not worth the time or effort. All five ships are dead inside 40 seconds snd then while waiting for a ship to repair the other team gains 500 points.

[worldly light]

match ups are still terrible. We can't compete when a player is 5 levels above us and 2-3x power. Please do better.

How is this even fair. That 70 will just pick us off as we enter the system. so not worth putting ANY effort into this part of the game. Sad thing is ... when it's evenly matched (rare that it happens) it's actually fun.

[worldly light]

shouldn't but it happens

[grand jay]

Second week in a row I got no time in the arena because of this stupid Scamley scheduling. Come on! You can do better.

[worldly light]

in the last 6-8 weeks, i could only attempt 2 times. and then when i was able, so vastly outclassed it wasn't worth doing it

especially when you lose reputation/rank/poiints for a loss.

[lilac lichen]

Much less interests from the alliance this week for arenas than the previous weeks ( generally speaking ). I’d consider longer term plans for sourcing. Maybe opening these up like waves. I’m worried they will be dead soon and I’ll never get ship efficiency, the syndicate and the FT favors. Too much good stuff in this store to let it die on the vine……

[olive moat]

Arena matching is still garbage. Paired with teams we have zero chance of defeating. Great job dopely

[dusty escarp]

When was arenas?
I didn't even notice it happened, no on screen indication and nobody mentioning it in chat.

[urban solstice]

the arena an wave could be fun but @ the moment an total fail because of bugs and lagging!

[valid junco]

That’s your indication

[nova vector]

Another sad evening in the arena, three times in a row death by g6 uncommon while we only had g5 epics. It seems the only way is to game the matchmaking system by pairing up with folks as low as possible. But fewer and fewer people are willing to do it. Please move on to a solo queue and match people along their strongest ships.

[icy hemlock]

Matching overall improved. You cannot consider everything when matching. As much as the power match, the skill rank is so important. You cannot consider everything, match equal power and be beaten by someone with more arena experience. There is no perfect system. But I will say that it has overall shown improvement from the start of arenas. We. Have actually set up an exchange on our server for those interested in arenas to have an arena pass to set Allies to participate. This has greatly improved our experience as we can work with people at our level. It also was apparent during the incursion this weekend. Our server has shown greater cooperation with the groups formed from multi-alliances.

[light kestrel]

they are just averaging level. That is not matchmaking and easily gamed.

[tiny ore]

Could I suggest you look at the ops level mechanic it's unfair currently me being ops 49 starting can only have ops 56 max in yet if a 53 starts then ops 60 can be in thier group amd then we get matched together, people using this to benifit, how can. Up to ops 56 content with level 60 players that have 1.5 billion powered ships.

Also got matched against the same group doing this 2 times in a row, easy way for lower levels to get carried through unfair for the opponent there need to be a fix implemented in ops

[uneven wing]

so you're the low ops going into a matchup where your bigs need help and you're not sending in a mantis, Cerritos, or titan?

[tiny ore]

There's no point against a level 60 thier these ships the higher ops just bounce off them, I should have to be forced in to using support because the mechanics are broken

[uneven wing]

that's wildly incorrect. your 56's can kill a small epic like that without even any boosts or debuffs if they've been keeping up on research, or especially if you do help them

#969176337698926632 message
look, I killed a bigger one with no buffs and a tiny ship, and the next comment has a ton more

[tiny ore]

Your making excuses here no 56 is beating those ships with max ft and ct, this is a pointless event if you can't fix the ops drift, impossible to score points

[tiny ore]

As I said your opponent doesnt have maxed ft and ct

And fine for you guys not g4 ops 49 players

[shadow jewel]

Why aren't there arena battles for smaller OPs players and not only from OPs 40?
I think there will be enough players who want to take part from OPs 25. It would also be more balanced and then you could score points with crews or technologies etc.

[sinful gate]

It's the way mobile pay2win works. Keep pushing them forward till a player needs to spend. Fear of missing out is a great motivator. Hence why new ship is 42 and majority new content is 40 (not for long)

[knotty lantern]

Just introduce a pve grind for all pve related stuff in the store and leave the pvp arena based stuff for those few actually interested in pvp and arenas. Problem solved.

[smoky flint]

Just run these things all day instead of locking it behind a couple hours a day. People do have lives out of this game

[pale belfry]

Need to be able to pair with Members from other alliances on your server, just like with waves. As is I can rarely do arena as I'm unable to form a squad.

[smoky flint]

That’s supposedly in the works already, they mentioned it before, but per normal Scopely, no eta

[shut hedge]

This whole " alliance only" thing is driving everyone nuts. Needs to be setup similar to waves so anyone can join in. The timeframe should be expanded and the day it's on rotated to give everyone a chance to be involved

[tardy pelican]

From what seen on my alliance and server less and less player do arena every week
People tired of ridiculous matching and lag
Will be dead content if nothing changes

[novel haven]

Yes, it’s getting less and lesser and ppl including myself are fed up with it. When you have a matchup like this it’s just 10 min wasted time. Clever selected by opponents to have the best average but if you stand against a player with 2x 3B ships it’s just pointless and even the best tactics wouldn’t help you to get a win. It’s sad, that the Terran store is basically useless for so many players and a way to the Eviscarator is blocked. Hope you really try to find a way to fix it or the courage to bury it completely. @muted badger <@&509690795536941056>

[wraith epoch]

Arena matching is hap-hazard at best. Last night we entered in about 8 or 9. 6 of which we basically just didn't send and waited to get our 400 looser-points. Suggestions - of the top of my head...

1. Make the matchup more equal - possibly limit Big's available ship range for the arena based on ship-power!
2. Make squad size dynamic - 1 player squad matches up with 1 player squad; 2 to 2; n to n.
3. Reduce 2 min fix time to 30 sec for the squad with less power
4. No special ships possible - NSEA tips the balance wayyyy too much
5. The wait times after arena and before - give us a click to just bypass these time-wasters

[willow mantle]

Scopley and the dev look at this and laugh. They want us frustrated so we spend tons of money it's their m.o. by now my friend

[light kestrel]

nah, arena will die on a vine just like alliance tournaments. Game mechanics are whack so support will decrease. All that will be left are the hardcore pvp players for arena and that is fine they deserve content too.

[cold fiber]

This is the best game type you’ve ever come up with

[brisk rapids]

Making this ship require UC Terran credits is such a bad idea. The difficulty of obtaining the UC is high and there are so many other things in the Terran store that getting the ship is the lowest priority.

The reason the priority is so low is because the ship itself is completely unnecessary. The only benefit is the refinery. But since we can now get FC Lorca from the incursions store, the refinery is practically useless too.

[rapid badger]

Finally had some good matchups. Every one was near our power level, with one being dominant but within reach by maybe next month. First time ever I was able to complete 5 arenas in one go in the 2 hours I have available. Seems to be improving. Thank you.

[rapid badger]

Alliance tournaments could be fixed with one simple change. Just select the tasks from a list that includes all tasks instead of constantly having to refresh to get ones you can complete. That, or make the refresh work immediately instead of having to wait 10-15 minutes each time for the tasks to show up again.

[light kestrel]

@rapid badger I don’t hate tournaments but they should of been explained better. The first I did refresh a lot till I learned more about them. The fact that we have to spend is irritating. Maybe spend alliance credits for alliance tournaments instead of $$$. They feel like a n marketing scheme instead of a competition.

[rapid badger]

Well, to be fair, every single part of this game is meant to make money for Scopely. If it doesn't they would not do it. There are FTP 'premium' tasks that give tournament currency (solo armadas, FC credit spending, spend ex-borg credits, etc.) but they are hard to get to appear, and you have to be a mega horder to be able to complete all 3 days of the tournament that way. It is what it is. No point is complianing that they replace $$$ spending with free credit spending. They won't do that... ever.

[pallid hawk]

Also to be fair. In central europe 1 SMALL dev squad cost you 60-70k € a month. For backoffice systems (simple UI, simple UX design, no graphic designers, no animations, no content creation). It’s costly to deliver IT solutions, especially when it also should be eyecatching and scalable. Game has to pay for itself. It’s matter of marketing startegy if you cash many players with lower bills or limited number of players with higher bills, but it’s not charity for gamers.

Also paying for franchise copyrights is costly, cause federation dropped currency and trade while Paramount did not.

[light kestrel]

I get it. This is the arena channel and not the grumble channel. Appreciate your insight.

[edgy iron]

It is finally good to have more stuff to do with your alliance mates😀Great learning experience, you have something more to talk about, and you understand each other better!

If you cant do it with your alliance, that may be an indicator you may need to look for an alliance or be content with some things not being able to get. It is a motivator to consider your selection of alliance better.

[wispy venture]

You state the obvious yet still fail to realize ftp players often become purchasers. I went from cash to no more cash after I saw how GQ and arena were introduced so it's pretty clear scopely went to far in one direction

Also there are single players that spend that much, your logic fails

[pallid hawk]

I’m pretty sure people not linked with IT industry are not aware of real cost you have to carry to run software development as well as they are aware how much that cost went up last years.

[pallid hawk]

Of course there is a bunch of players who solo pay for single dev team in some periods.

[wispy venture]

I'm pretty sure those not doing so don't realize some players spend 2k a day

[pallid hawk]

Agreed

[wispy venture]

I'm firmly in the scopely went too far camp I suppose

[toxic pine]

Forfeit button when???

[wispy venture]

Single 8hr time slot while im at work was my deal-breaker, no more cash

[pallid hawk]

Putting it all together, it’s a business model that works for them. And since there is stable player base somewhere between 230-250k it seems there is no mass evacuation ongoing.

[pallid hawk]

That could be adjusted, maybe 4 x 2hrs events a day. I think issue is that 24 hour event would make it hard to provide propper matching experience (number of active teams at single point of time would be significantly lower)

[wispy venture]

For context ops 49 and would be 55 or 56 if I still purchased

It needs to be adjusted soon to keep me in the game at all

[pallid hawk]

Opposite here. Was 42 with 250€ spent. Since then added some zeros at the end. Ops 68 now.

[wispy venture]

GQ was the start, i don't mind spending but it won't be scopely deciding when and how much... then an entire update that leaves me out was the final straw

[pallid hawk]

My main concern with arenas is that I have limited ability to play since my ops level is a bit spaced out towards other members of my alliance. But that didn’t stop me to attend event quite a lot.
For me hours are more less ok in terms of my availability.

[wispy venture]

Working evening shift, my alarm goes off the minute arena starts so I either need to trash my morning routine or skip a work day to get a match in. Why is it limited so badly if not to pay wall? The perks are big for ftp players

I should already have at least g4 blueprint efficiency but barely started

[pallid hawk]

Yeah, that would be pain for me as well. That event could be divided into shifts.

[toxic pine]

Surrender Button When?

[neon heart]

We will get the surrender button on the 30th Feb at the rate scopley work

[thorn thicket]

Arenas are quite fun. Just need better timing for it during the week.

Surrender button would likely have a base time limit and a good team can end it in a little over 5 minutes.

[smoky flint]

Nah, you will need to pay a $200 prime for the option that has two to five tiers, and then pay for packs for the resource to surrender

[toxic pine]

Going to be repeating this every few Days

Surrender Button When???

[willow forge]

It be nice for us one players to join and battle why make us have more then

[wispy ivy]

Move Arenas to Sundays! Make them 12 hrs.

[willow forge]

Arena is trash

[lucid sonnet]

remove arenas, make it a claim along with everything else ty.

[ripe ingot]

ships stuck in battle once dead, cannot bring new ones in

rubbish

[wicked tulip]

I enjoy arenas. With that said, the matchmaking is still horrible and simply being gamed by teams that have the right ops available to beat the system. The day they are run is the worst of the week for many people, and the short windows are silly.

Take this cool concept and fix it please 🙂. Some adjustments to matchmaking and team formation and running it longer and perhaps on another day are all achievable modifications…

[normal ledge]

Clearly not matching based on average ops lol.
Wouldn’t mind if we had a chance but two 70s where none of us have a chance to kill even one of their ships?
At least let us forfeit the match so we don’t waste time waiting..

[subtle locust]

it's either crashed app or the ship got stuck in the ether. pick your fortune ball. lol.

[exotic knoll]

This is the worse week for lag yet... both my ships in a "battle" for half the match

[fallen gust]

80 player alliance and there hasn't been a single arena team started 🤣

[toxic pine]

Is there a surrender Button yet?

[exotic knoll]

nope, but the ready button is live.... not sure how i feel about it.. cant start matches super quick as everyone needs to go in and tick ready again

[subtle locust]

now what...

both got destroyed but they're stuck in the system

[toxic pine]

Event is as buggy as it was when it was launched

[fallen gust]

Just had a round where I couldn’t take ships out of my base at all. Had to force restart

Which is always a good thing to have to do in a timed event

Then right after it’s this dumpster fire

[fallen gust]

How can Scopely not get one thing right on a 3v3 two ships stuck in combat. Like literally how 💩 must your infrastructure be to not be able to handle 6 ships, 20 hostiles and 6 armadas?

[graceful crystal]

Good matchmaking again I’m a ops 62 who created a arena and like normal get an ops 70 against me can’t you guys get anything right or you don’t know maths cause it’s +7 from my ops lvl not +8

[compact delta]

<@&509690795536941056> can you explain how this pairing was made?

[inland cloud]

Average OPS - nope
Ranking Comparison - nope
Allowing ridiculous unbalanced matches - yep

If you get feedback it will be be "we are on it" "we will look at it" or something else meaningless stuff. And this won't change things at all.

Don't expect it to get better - the only advice here is to misuse the design as far as u can (like most out there do):

Middle OPS with low rank (Bronze) as starter
+7 OPS PVP Monster to siege Group Armadas and kick opponents out
-7 OPS speed crew Monster to make Armadas and escape slower ships.

[modest estuary]

Jolly good start again! Bravo to the programmers 👏

[primal fossil]

Arena matchmaking still atrocious then, will give it yet another miss

This badly needs to allow you to back out, cancel or a surrender button

[modest estuary]

Actually, $copely just should do the homework about matchmaking. The backout button would keep it just as bad as it is… 4 arenas with same group (58-60s) and 3x against high 6G players. NOT funny

[fickle niche]

a backout or leave button will make the whales sad with no matches to show-off their ships pumped up on prime steroid packs. scopely doesnt want the whales to be sad. so no, a leave button is highly unlikely to happen.

[astral gulch]

112 the people I play arena with including me all have the problem that it takes like 15+ seconds to recieve the Hostile/armada loot after killing them, its really really laggy

[leaden glen]

Some of the most stupid pairings I have ever come across, so one sided it was not worth leaving my station for

[old wing]

Seriously this doesn’t work guys, fix matchmaking.

[pearl frigate]

another week, another batch of mental match making. nothing like being krill to the players with 2 tier higher ships and then have a nice 30 second un-skippable screen to rub it in your face

[mint parrot]

@frosty needle Is there a reason why you can't move arena to saturday 10-18?

[rocky crypt]

Can issues be actually fixed:

• arena starting but unable to join, restart required.
• ships not where they really are inside the arena.
• overall lag.
• armada; when low on coins incidentally clicking the store button. just remove this option in arena's.

[pearl frigate]

oh lovely that we also have to all hit ready now so can't even afk it, purposely designed 100% to prevent people from just farming their weekly loot for the refinery

[primal fossil]

This is the tactic, get a player at the end of the bracket to carry the other two

[old wing]

Not everyone has ops70 whales to carry them.

[fair creek]

performance seems to be a little better compared to last week, but we still got many positioning issues and lag up to 3-5 sec
will drop a 2nd review after playing a few matches around primetime in 2 hours.

so far no big matchmaking issues, ops average works quite good.
does ranking even have any impact on it anymore?

[sly prawn]

Even less technical support than weekdays I suspect.
Although I like arena (if they’d work) it would be a social/family killer at weekends.
Don’t like the limit to one evening and just realistically max 4 hours for me either. Not a good concept at all yet. Needs reworks

And given the worsening performance which makes it unplayable they should pull the plug and relaunch next year after overhauling.

[simple tusk]

If you wanted to give more to the biggest with arena... you have achieved it... I am not going to fight against untouchable people anymore, it is a shame that you do not care about the fights being equal... not even equalizing them in the least... get rid of that garbage game that only serves to make the biggest grow.

[modern kite]

a G5 player in match with only G4s this is not the first time this has hapened today

[mint parrot]

"social/family killer at weekends.". Those are mainly evening events. Arena at afternoon shouldn't colide with them.

[ancient hound]

should have spend more time making fair and fun pvp in the game instead of finding ways to hinder players participating with the "ready" bs ...

guess the 🐳 did cry a river cause they had no ships enter arena to bully around?

[fair creek]

at max a 52 can have a nova, more likely an epic g4, on the other side your team had 2 quite good upper g4 vs only 1 potential "upperest" (🤪 ) g4 and 2 lowers.

and thats what you can do to rushed g5`s

[modern kite]

an epic G4 ship far outpowers anything we can have and the 52 can singlehandedly slaughter everyone which is not a fair matchup

[honest geyser]

Get your ***** match making under control. It can't be. That a group with a max ops of 65 players can compete against a group with 67 players... What is fair match making about that?

[pearl frigate]

yeah, so much fun like this too

and then this when you're done being slaughtered, getting stuck and needing a reboot

[rose mauve]

Why not just cancel this piece of junk ( The Arena ) dead on arrival and its still dead matchmaking su.cks why would one be even interested in trying to attempt it with all the other crap this event brings ? If this event is created for the higher ops whales just say so.

[pearl frigate]

the only reason we suffer through this is for the vindicator bps

[dusky osprey]

I'd settle for being able to play it - be better if they moved it around so people who cant play during those 8 hours on a Monday can play, different start/end and day each week for example

[simple tusk]

As it is designed, it is a garbage event... go take a look at Rise of Empires and watch the Champions of Olympia event, which is similar to this one, and learn something... at least how to make the fights more even.

[shy mauve]

https://prnt.sc/Yosk1SuC7BNd

is good games "" of a.."

[thorny pasture]

"Balanced" (3rd game in a row). Last week matchmaking was much better.

[sharp hemlock]

Never mind the balance. Being the lag is harder.

Everyone one I've been in tonight had been a complete mess.

One ships arrived at the start but I couldn't even join.

Another took 3 mins and a reboot to start an armada.

Got absolutely no idea where everyone's ships are

EU163

[rocky osprey]

I love arena, but having to restart 2-3 times in ONE match because your ship gets stuck in warp or battle is ridiculous... fix this!

[drifting hollow]

Remove all the speed crews from arenas. The obvious lag of arenas isn't helped by all that speed crew

[short basin]

Ok, matchmaking now needs to be changed. Players know how to manipulate it so matches are becoming heavily skewed again.

It’s not difficult at all to get this right. Just put the groups the same as ship grades. 46-49, 50-52, 53-55 etc.

[sharp hemlock]

That's a dumb fix tbh....

[drifting hollow]

They aren't able to resolve lag problems. Sure speed crew help dumb nopvp players but don't help lag.

[sharp hemlock]

Dumb PvP players? They help smaller players survive anyone with TACTICAL play

[drifting hollow]

Lag and always same everyone with speed crew

Where is tactics?

[drifting hollow]

Now also whales use speed crew mate

Aside some

[sharp hemlock]

Always have 👀

[drifting hollow]

So pvp is dead also in arena

Sad but that's it

[sharp hemlock]

Either way. The fix is not removing tactics

Last week ran fine. This week there's another issue

[drifting hollow]

They fix don't work aniway😂😂

[sharp hemlock]

Haha true

[drifting hollow]

We try again next week😂

[mild iris]

maybe they tried to fix the lag from last week and this is the result 😅

[drifting hollow]

They tried to fix coords bug and arena now have more lag. Then they fix lag in arena and tournament won't run

🤪

[short canopy]

any1 else not receiving armada startups from hostiles?

[thorny pasture]

This week arena it's extremly bad

[muted badger]

Lag/targeting wise? Worse than last week?

[coral onyx]

<@&509690795536941056> We really need to extend arenas outside of the alliances. I have been trying to get a team going since the event started today and nobody is interested. This is partially bad experience before with poor matchups and partially people more interested in the new armadas and the event conected. It's not a good experience for those players who want in but just can't get a squad

[mint parrot]

I wish they would dissable the battle log system for at least one arena to test if that causes the lag.

[thorny pasture]

Both lag and targeting + matchmaking

• need to restart almost after every arena

[muted badger]

Yup. I've talked to the team about expanding squads outside of alliances, but am hearing its a complicated process. I'll follow up and see if I can get an update.

[coral onyx]

Thanks Hammy

[sinful gate]

My alliance has given up on it. It's fine in principle but those that hate pvp avoid it and the rest are fed up sitting waiting for a team at their level. There needs to be auto matching outside of an alliance. People are not playing it. Why can't we all have the same ship, a new arena ship that is equal at any player level, independent of level, primes, p2w, so that any level can match and the arena is judged by skill?

[wet scaffold]

@muted badger thought Arena is getting improved but lately the MM is even worse than when it was launched. I am on Boycott till the MM gets semi fixed. as ops64 getting the same ops70 4 times in a row. 💩 Arena. 👎

[modest estuary]

Agree with all comments on mismatches. It‘s worse than the first arena. Out of 7 arenas, our 4-5Gs always met 63+ players. Great way to kill all fun in this game, $copeless 👏

[wet scaffold]

I am really sorry, you made a promise and now you tell us it is complicated. Well another event that gets 0 activity from me. You are on the right path to kill this game for good. Paywall anything and everything, sad to see after 5 years

[mint parrot]

Why complicated? Teaming up with ppl from another alliances works perfectly fine in wave defence.

[wet scaffold]

there is no profit from that "feature" > low priority, till Arena is abandoned by most players, nothing will change I am afraid ..., this is what happened to War Room. No cashcow, no updates

[drifting hollow]

They try to do cash with repair speed up. Fortunately people don't fall in the trap. Maybe if they give to unlimited speed ups some people, like me, will play arena again. Now I'm bored

[coral onyx]

I have seen people push to get bigger because of Arena and also have people in my alliance eyeing up the tantalus field, but with the drop off in interest it's heading down the assault route.. Maybe if the ship that is in the tTrran store would have been of more interest to people rather than only being of real interest to get the refinery.

[sharp hemlock]

Lag is far worse than ever before. It's taking several minutes to just to start an armada. I tried multiple times and only got one going after a reboot whilst my ship sat there like a sitting duck and was completely untouched the whole time.

Got no idea at all where anyone else's ships are.

Trying to attack ships, that are long dead or in a complete opposite end of map etc etc

Scores aren't even updating in the jay match I played.

I generally don't understand the matchmaking complaints though. You're bound to get some bad ones. But there are also good ones and completely even ones

The lag is just too much though. I don't like the 8 hour window it rarely works out for me. Tonight was a rare exception. No kids, no work free to go at it. Couldn't play it enjoy it when I could, for technical problems

[drifting hollow]

Assault🤭🤭

[main pivot]

Lag is so hugh and no ships is where the shows on screen

[storm vine]

something like this should never be matched; two ship classes higher - no way
additional: please deactivate all buff options. cerri, titan, mantis - that's cheese

[robust umbra]

Matchmaking was much worse than previous weeks. 80M ships against 550M ships, lol. We just watched

[muted badger]

Wait... when did I promise to get squads expanded beyond alliances?

[storm vine]

this was recently teased in the release notes!

[muted badger]

I'll take a look. But I don't think we promised to expand. But either way I'll seee what I can do.

[wet scaffold]

Not you as a person, but it was announced on 11th of November >

https://home.startrekfleetcommand.com/news/https:--startrekfleetcommand.com-news-arena-combat-improvements-your-feedback-matters

[muted badger]

Gotcha. I think there's a few items on there that I'll be following up on. I'd like to see squads outside the alliances too, but I think need to get a handle on the performance issues first.

[wet scaffold]

As I said earlier with current status of arena MM IT’s literally waste of time for anyone reasonable, when you get paired with ops galaxies far from your level and must watch someone with a 150B cube running a speed crew and killing anything in the arena within seconds. This topic has also been brought up by big spenders on VIP server. So it’s scopelys turn to fix it or it will be soon “starbased”. 😂

[wet scaffold]

Little tip for your production team, if you add arena points achieved in MM process, you might find a quick and meaningfull solution for the current broken system. It’s not a rocket science, you just need to experience and play the game to comprehend the actual game play.

[brittle nova]

LAGFEST , please add performance. Ships hanging at map border when coming into the system until restarting the game. Ships not reacting properly. Absolutely unplayable.

[winter ice]

MM is really getting worse and worse

more and more players abusing average ops lvl system

+/-2 should be max

or even +/-1

[verbal copper]

Scoply you should change the Matchmaking to the level from the highest Player or make the Teamrange lower with +3/-3 max. If you dont abuse the System right now you dont have fun in Arena. I did it today with a 49-46-42 and we won every Game!. And then we didnt we matched against this team. 😄 In my Allianz the Arenaplayer droped hard bc of this and i think its not only us.

[plain aurora]

really big lag today... not funny... please buy better hardware

[ornate kayak]

Arenas in its current form is just zero fun, which is the whole point right as it is a game, getting smashed by paid for pvp crews is no fun and can’t be that much fun for the winners either as people will just enter it for loss points and not contest it. Not much feedback here but getting rid of or reducing the 2 minute repairing will help massively. I often just sit there twiddling my thumbs without being able to escape.

[blazing quarry]

alot of lag and alot of upset players in my alliance who are not having fun with arenas some of which now refuse to even take part next week until arenas gets tweaked massively such as level cap change

[sage brook]

Early EU arena, like 60 or 90 minutes after start, it was running quite well, only sometimes it took few seconds for directives to register to be added. Now in last hour it is lagfest, ships not showing where they are, not joining armadas, very annoying and buggy experience compared to the first hour where we had a lot of fun.

The groups I see more and more abuse the average lvl matchmaking, so I have to do the same as much as possible (not optimally, my alliance does not have players exactly 7 and 14 lvls below me available on Monday afternoon to run arenas). This should be prioritized to look into, players have figured out the matchmaking algorithm and are cleverly trying to (ab)use it to their advantage, which creates very bad experience when matched against group of 3 people of similar level who do not play around the average level.
That might be fixed if the groups can be created across the server and not just alliance, you can then lower the range for example to +-3 or 4 levels, or base them on top lvl in group.

I see less and less players participating as the rewards in chest for arena loot are based on rank only (I still think they should raise with rank OR reputation, whichever is higher, so people feel some progress even if they loose a lot). The arena event asks too much time in very specific time frame when it is work time for many players, and rewards are very small for groups that do not have great win ratio to keep going up to gold+ ranks.

[unique robin]

Match making getting worse? Wont bother playing it then

[warm pendant]

Un-believable! I can't even enter the arena system with out getting into an error 5, disconnect loop... I'm on a wired FIBER network!

[digital bone]

I had the same in two matches out of 5 I tried at the time. By time I closed the app and managed to get back in, the match was a forgone conclusion.
Terrible shame for what looked like a good mechanic.
Who wants to mine on Monday 🤣

[golden mortar]

Arenas are SUPER Laggy today...even worse than normal. Not fun

[worn apex]

Hey Hammy. Looks like there’s some changes for this week (Ready button for example). Is that it? If not can we get a full change-log?

[haughty horizon]

The whole thing just feels like a mess.

1. Matchmaking is worse, likely because of less players playing and because those that are know to game the system (make teams of ops level x, x-7 and x-7).
2. Lag is worse, probably because they've moved resources away from this declining, unprofitable feature.
3. We all know that no major changes are forthcoming, as this is now an old feature and there's no money to be made fixing it.

A feature where you compete with players of your ship class (I.E. ops 50-52, ops 53-55, ops 56-59, etc.) could've been fun. Even then though, the matches itself are kinda boring already. PVP games need variety and new ideas, like new maps/guns/game modes in Call of Duty. By now you'd want the basics of reasonably fair gameplay to be solidified, so that they could release a new mode of competition every month or two to spice things up. Instead, things really haven't changed much since launch, and the posts from HAM above don't really lend much confidence to them putting real resources into improving this, so... feels like a dead feature like the Starbase. Sucks for those trying to unlock the ship from the store, but it'll be in an event store at some point. The rest is whatever.

[limber wharf]

Arenas aren’t working at all, my team joined and it showed me it was searching when I restarted game, there was only 2 min left. In my second arena there was a 1.5min delay. So basically looking forward to a chest

The negative ranking mechanic needs to be removed as at this rate there is no way anyone is getting anything unlocked

Oh and the 8hr limit is an epic fail mechanic too.

[torpid prawn]

How can I participate in lat Monday if I want to play in arenas I have miners in token space if I join in on a arenas all my miners get pulled out of token space and my mineing stops for lat Monday scipley really needs to change the day of arena <@&509690795536941056>

[unique robin]

yeah they dont care, I want more pvp in this game but the match making is so absurd

[torpid prawn]

Mondays are the worest day ever to do a big event like arena arena should be on the weekend when more people can actually play

[muted badger]

Passing this on peeps!

[wicked tulip]

The lag is so bad in these that its useless when you are in an evenly matched battle. You target someone, they are suddenly across the map, you watch the timer on the armada to hit them when you need and the timer is off and you miss the kill, plus you have to double target many times to even get a hit.

Its a mess in the performance category and it makes it frustrating to play at all - ESPECIALLY when we lose rep for a loss and some of those losses are caused by poor system performance. You have heard all the issues before, but in summary:

1. Get rid of the rep loss mechanic completely, or make it an extremely minimal loss. I am to the point where my losses equal wins in rep loss/gain amounts - all it tells me is to skip this round as I need that rep for the one favor I want in the store (G6 ship part efficiency). Give me zero rep for a loss and I will keep battling it out, in spite of the lag. Current state, its risking my previous work for a roll of the dice.

2. Lets make this event either always on, or choose a day other than Mondays. Those are generally peoples busiest day of the week.

3. 8 hour window is too short

4. Biggest issue again is the performance. We are playing in a broken system and its very frustrating when the match is close.

[halcyon imp]

does anyone know what research and abilities affect the amount of directives dropped from arena solo armadas?

we're being accused of cheating for being able to do a group armada after just 1 solo.
somehow our alliance admiral at ops 49 with a tier 10 newton is getting 100 directives from 1 solo.(90% loot boost)
I'm getting 69 from 1 solo with a crozier or protector(no loot boost on these?)
and an ops42 alliance member gets the "normal" 50 using a talios.

i'd expect my ships to get just 50 too, and the admiral should be getting at most 95

[wicked tulip]

Loot crews are working on the hostiles and armadas, so yes you can easily kill one hostile, kill one solo mada, then launch a center mada without any other work. Not cheating as much as utilizing the right crews. DO I agree loot crews should work in Arenas? NO. But they do and folks should utilize them.

[halcyon imp]

these numbers are without loot crews

[golden mortar]

Lag is horrible. Ships not where they are supposed to be. PM messages getting erased. Ships in "Battle" that are not in battle.......pile of hot garbage today Scopley.And this is from someone who loves Arean. Its tough today...real tough.

[halcyon imp]

weird, not the first time i click on a channel to send a message in it and i end up in a different channel.
i definitely clicked on the players helping players channel, but that's not where i am...

[muted badger]

You're s42 and lag has been worse this week than last?

[muted badger]

Server?

[wicked tulip]

Yes and last week was worse than the week before.... seriously close to ignoring the feature - and I actually really love the idea of arenas.

[muted badger]

Me too. We need to get a handle on the lag. Also matchmaking.

[lilac lichen]

I think you need to free the vindicator bps for this mechanic

[torpid prawn]

@muted badger change days to arena weekend and not Monday pls

[dark solar]

My suggestion for the matchmaking is to make it only look at the biggest ops in the team instead of average. The meta now is to have one huge player and one tiny player, when it would be better for the experience if teams were of similar power / ops. If you want to gimp your team by having smaller, than that's your option, but shouldn't be rewarded. The biggest ops is usually the one doing all the killing anyway.

Also please fix the horrible lag and bugs 😄 Either enter match doesn't work, or preparation phase gets stuck and you can't enter the arena system, or ships are in random locations in the arena system. Terrible currently.

[wispy venture]

Are we all still trying to pretend our feedback is gonna help?

[near cairn]

Matchmaking was fine last night....although the other group of lame ducks did get matched 8 times in a row with the same opponents (just lol....indicates the poor participation).
Lag was omg levels resulting in just not bothering to keep sending ships in a few.Timers lag ship tracking targeting were the worst so far.The Beta was the best tech performance so far by a large margin. 8hrs is stupid stopping many from joining.

[muted badger]

Feedback does help. That's what this server is for.

[muted badger]

What server are you?

[near cairn]

187

[winter mulch]

So do you have an update on all the feedback about doing it on a different day or expanding the time limit for those of us who cannot be on for these 8 hours?

[muted badger]

Nope. Working on getting lag and matchmaking addressed for now.

[dark solar]

Participation is bad enough already, expanding the time limit would make that worse. One option would be to rotate the time to different days or sooner/later on the same day.

[wispy venture]

Let's start by adopting an arena schedule everybody can even attend then? This entire update relies on a single 8hr window of time that I work straight through. I should at least have g4 but probably g5 blueprints efficiency but I have nothing at all from the entire arena release, what is the reason for limiting it so badly??

[dark solar]

But participation is also hindered by the lag, nobody wants to do it because of it.

[winter mulch]

If you are going to wait to fix the lag before fixing the time slot, then the time slot will never get addressed

[dark solar]

If the lag isn't addressed first, nobody will play it no matter how long the time slot is.

[muted badger]

It won't with that attitude! But lag has been less bad in previous arenas. I think we need to focus on getting it playable. But I'm going to keep raising the 8hr and different day

[muted badger]

Are you suggesting 24 arenas?

[winter mulch]

I do want to give arena's a try, but I have literally had 0 playable hours during the arena's run times so far. As such, I am quite biased even without getting to experience the lag first hand

[queen gate]

Arenas could be fun. A few things need fixed. Mostly lag is the source of my problem, like the rest of the game, but I’ve had a few matches were the lag was so bad my ships never made it into the system by the time my team won

[unreal silo]

maybe bracket my max faction ship level

2 54s and a 55 against a 49, 51 and 56

we couldnt touch the 56 with his santus, they dominated the match

[wispy venture]

I don't think it needs to be 24x7 for better accessibility, maybe all the lag is due to everyone trying the same time even?

[dark solar]

But if you don't have lots of ppl doing at the same time, where does the matchmaking get suitable opponents?

[drifting hollow]

Matchmaking 28-39, 40-49,50-59, 60-70. Then maybe people can use again brain, and not only money or speed crew in pvp, different crews setup, do pvp researches. And please unlimited repairs speed ups in arena (don't think people really buy that packs)

[wispy venture]

Well I get zero matches a week so far, so forgive me for not caring about your matchmaking

[dark solar]

So you are so short sighted that you would rather make the experience even worse for everyone, just so you can get a few matches in against opponents 20 ops bigger than you?

[wispy venture]

An entire update hinges on a time I work straight through, yes if it cannot be expanded in don't care about anyone else I'll be done playing, it's already made me ftp and that won't last long without an arena change that I can get something from

[brisk rapids]

So much fun being had being shut down with only 2 points

[wispy venture]

Trying to imagine the arrogance that would even say short sighted after 5 weeks of getting your own perks from it... joke

[wispy venture]

The extent of your complaint is that due to lag and matchmaking you spent a bit of extra time to gain full reward? Anything else that can match this level of arrogance?

[dark solar]

It's a game, meant to be enjoyed and had fun. If I do arenas grinning my teeth suffering through every moment in there just to get the rewards, is it worth it?

Also, I'm just trying to keep the suggestions beneficial to everyone, not destroy the last of it just so @wispy venture can play. If you scroll up just a few messages, I suggested an option that would help your situation too, without making the overall situation worse.

[wispy venture]

Not by everyone with a single 8hr time slot on Monday it isn't for everyone, sorry that us false

[wispy venture]

Nothing else said makes arena better for me, improve it to your full satisfaction I still get nothing and I'm short sighted

Clearly your ideas are not for everyone as you believe

[brisk rapids]

Now the lag is so bad the scoring was locked for 5 minutes

[astral skiff]

Y'all should comp a weeks worth of Terran credits EVERY WEEK UNTIL SHIP TRACKING IS FIXED.

[brazen matrix]

WTB more feking lag

[trim notch]

I finally got some of the things other players have been experiencing in arenas. Ghost armada circles and on 1 match, the score was not updating on my end. Both of these issues can be solved by an app reboot, but doing that during a match where I was needed to support, I could not do so.

Otherwise, woke up with 1 hour left in arenas and went 4/4 with a really strong opponent to our disadvantage at the last match. Was good.

[brazen matrix]

Think i've seen enough...gonna boycott this crap til the lag is fixed

Got my g5 egineering just no fun when I'm supposed to attack a ship thats here and I fly in the opposite direction.

[wet tide]

Lag so bad the score is not being tracked.

[grizzled tangle]

Either arena is buggy as hell or some people found out a way to make your ships get stuck

[astral skiff]

Video Games are supposed to be fun, Arena's are no longer fun, too broken.

[grizzled tangle]

Still getting levels outside my level range too. So broken.

[runic isle]

I like arenas when I'm winning, but that hasn't happened for multiple weeks at this point. I would expect to eventually be matched with other bronze players, but I'm still getting matched against gold+. I need to lose a lot per week to keep up with the loop, but I really can't handle more than 45 min or so of waiting around in station and now you've added a ready button, so I need to pay attention to start the next loss 😔

Please add a forfeit option so we can get the currency we need and move on. These whales are too slow at winning and don't even have their littles running loot crews to speed things along.

[grizzled tangle]

Looks like several people are exploiting the matchmaking system too

[wet tide]

Lag so bad can't send ships into the Arena ....

[golden mortar]

Server 20 here HAM

[grim oracle]

The lag is TERRIBLE, the matchmaking has gotten ridiculously bad, and players are largely choosing to ignore arena. This needs to get fixed.

[runic isle]

It's not an exploit. It's a valid strategy. Another valid strategy is spending 💵💵💵. Another valid strategy is camping Ops levels. There are a lot of ways to gain an advantage in the arena.

I'm just not seeing many groups playing as under advantaged as myself and my alliance.

[grizzled tangle]

It is.

[brazen matrix]

Im getting stuck on the background for arenas on PC. 60's in a max 59 round.

[trim notch]

An exploit is something that you would gain that you can not do normally. I see nothing of the sort here.

[runic isle]

Right, to exploit is to take advantage of a flaw. The matchmaking system is not flawed. Ops level isn't a great matching metric, but there's nothing flawed with the current system.

[grizzled tangle]

They bring one tiny power and one massive power so they can just run the board to exploit how the matchmaking works

[trim notch]

It is because the game ALLOWS it normally.

End of discussion. It just needs to be rebalanced.

[runic isle]

We know the strategy. It's not nice and will help them win more matches, but it's not an exploit.

[grizzled tangle]

Thanks for outing yourself.

[trim notch]

You have problems man.

Take a break and relax.

[runic isle]

But, the sooner we get a forfeit button, the sooner the good teams will max out their rank and exceed loot needed for years to come. Then those who aren't as good can start to win and get what we need from the loop.

Please add a forfeit button. Until then, I'll stay in my station.

[deft bough]

How about fixing pvp completely? Just fought a 68 as a 65. It was just a mass slaughter. FIX PVP FIRST!

No one should be getting slaughtered with a 2-3 level difference. Ships should barely be winning but instead ever pvp fight is one ship takes 2% damage and the other just explodes.

All of ship stats need a total rework or pull arena completely till you can fix forced pvp

[brazen matrix]

I just had TC trailblazer +0 points pop banners during the last arena...

[obsidian lagoon]

very laggy

[hollow root]

Please keep matching me against people with 9bil power more than me. Makes for an amazing experience

[rose tartan]

After reading these comments, I’m glad I haven’t tried arenas today

[wet tide]

You don't get points for not participating though.

[rose tartan]

Well I had teammates who wanted to do one so I joined. Waited for matchmaking for 7 minutes, then discovered we had been in a match for 6 minutes and the game didn’t inform me. Couldn’t click on anything but died anyways. Oh, and didn’t get points because I crashed

[keen sigil]

#🏆-event-chat message

[rose tartan]

The arena feature is so garbage I know I won’t get progress enough to get rewards

[smoky flint]

Lag has been the worst it’s been in a while, I had to restart so many times DURING a match

[desert furnace]

Can we please move Arena to a day where it recalling all your miners won't affect your other events??? 21 people in my alliance in range to join Arena with me, and all but 1 are mining... Then once I get in, I'll get smoked since our competition is from a much older server, but at least I can get some rep and credits...

Also, matchmaker sucks. team of bronze III and IV vs Silver IIs with billions more power... good matching...

[zenith geode]

(reposting to arena feedback because I noticed it's separate from events...)
I'm writing this during an active arena match because so far in this single match I've:

1. been unable to start an armada, the button was grayed out. I have directives, My ship isn't in combat and has even been sitting doing nothing for over 10 seconds.
2. I was blown up by a ship across the system. Apparently we're lying about ship positions?
3. Was booted from the game and had to restart

Arena keeps getting worse each time with bugs and lag... For the love of all that is good and holy fix it. I've enjoyed these but there's no point if your poor coding makes them unplayable.

[bleak hamlet]

Have had the same problem. plus have had mutlitple times where my ship was in the armada at least 15 seconds before it ends and still did not join even without being attacked, or get attached after the last 10 seconds and it gets cancelled. matching has also gotten significantly worse this run

[zenith geode]

I just had an armada where the ship started the armada in the circle, never moved, and then it never launched for me. That blinking 0 and the armada circle just stayed for the rest of the match, mocking me.

[brazen matrix]

This kind of backlash usually gets a comp chest. I'd accept just removing til you fix the lag issue.

[analog zenith]

Comp chest should be given out. I had to restart my computer in 2 matches after the timer hit zero to send ships in. Also, after a ship was destroyed, it just sat there and if the 2nd ship was also destroyed, I couldn’t send any other ships or repair the destroyed ones.

[indigo night]

Lag is again bonkers on S41. I had multiple Solo Armadas get killed from a ship animating across the system.

[zenith geode]

100% need to compensate people because they can't get the loot to pull the ship BP. Give a week of ship BP to everyone and then other benefits for all the headaches.

[indigo night]

And after going to the crew screen to do a quick tweak, it didn't let me back into anything until I restarted my PC game instance.

AND AND the last match that was a mercy killing we didn't even get points for our deaths.

[robust stag]

Arena is fun! 😇😂🤣

[cold fiber]

It shouldn’t be possible for a 53+ to mix with anyone lower imo because the G5 ships are such a leap above the vast majority of lower players.

[pastel skiff]

Arena is badly bugged this time. Players are being restarted. Scores aren't showing. Ships are stuck in Warp

[spring dawn]

Unless you're playing with the PvP FTs it seems impossible to have a competitive match in arenas. I guess they're hoping to drive spending. I'll take the L and my 400 loot.

[robust stag]

See image above, I don’t have pvp ft

[spring dawn]

I just want competitive matches 😫 . The game mode is actually pretty fun when you get evenly matched games, but those are so few and far between

[robust stag]

For the best chance of a good match go one strong player and 2 smaller. Big focuses on pvp smalls speed

[rose tartan]

This and source the ship another way since they’ll never fix this

[alpine yew]

i finally have 3 hours where i could play, but alliancemates are dropping from it cause they are lagging so bad nothing is working right in them, event opsed up twice this weekend to get in range for our big players that normally love doing arenas...

[crude tusk]

MY last match was bad, not just the pairing, but my team got the defeat message took them out, left me in the match by myself, to be fair we had no chance lol.

[spring dawn]

I agree, but everyone shouldn't need to game their teams to get in competitive matches

[quartz rock]

Garbage. Just absolute trash tonight. The game perfomance and stability, that is.

[willow mantle]

No, you had Spock… so unfair! 🙈😅

[torpid gust]

Hot take: As long as whales can zoom around killing everything even when other people have speed crews, Arena will remain a pitiful joke

The NSEA needs to be weaker or slower, having it be both faster and stronger than the Talios is shameless blatant powercreep. Stop pretending this game is a competitive game, delete Arenas and just give us a daily chest.

Oh and let's not forget the CONSTANT desyncing of ship positions

[mint crater]

This is complete BS. My team started by a 62 can't even have 70s in it. 7 matches. 6 against mega 70s with max cubes, and one match against someone slightly bigger than me that I won. This is so stupid. Match the 70s against each other and let us normal people fight each other where there's actually a point to the match

[wicked tulip]

@muted badger As we discussed earlier, game performance was abysmal. You all honestly should gift everyone that tried like 5000 arena rep… I honestly want this game mode to work but am bowing out until it’s fixed. Also it’s a ghetto move to make the points lost at gold 2 the same as a win. What’s my motivations to roll the dice and hope I am not locked out the whole match? We lost a few today completely because of needing to restart multiple times. Anyway, it was rough and took all the enjoyment out of it this round for me.

[cedar seal]

Arena is getting worse from week to week.
The lags are getting worse (ship positions are wrong, fight at t-5s in armada circle, ships get stuck in warp/fight, are shown as destroyed even though they are alive in the combat log)

The matchmaking has also gotten worse after it was OK last week. Our team (64-62-60) was consistently matched against groups with a 66. This was due to the large OPS difference of the enemy team to lower the average (legitimate, but shows that the MM is too easy to manipulate). A 66 with a 15B cube and speed crew simply dominates everything below OPS 66.

And that's exactly why it's going to be more and more difficult to find a group because nobody wants to experience that anymore.

[grand jay]

To heck with finding a group. Just quit doing them , and the whales will get Tirol beating each other up eventually and the event will be granted the death it deserves. Matches should be by power, not freaking level. But of course Scamley wants us to ragespend to get a chance. And I and others are not falling for it. Sid Myers pirates runs just fine on my laptop, and so does my old favorite, Temple of Elemental Evil.

[silver mauve]

It's not only the lost of points week by week is it the lost of motivation to play it again. Ship stuck in arena in fight 2 minutes several times.

[austere jackal]

Kicked out of arena and game few times, couldn’t start armadas’ then when I could start some phantom armadas showing like in game.

[modern wave]

New feature in events? Android tab8 pro. Even after clearing localization and restart still same until the arena battle ends......

[toxic pine]

Surrender Button When?

[digital bone]

I think calling people crybabies is a bit harsh.
The reason folks are so annoyed is because we have a mechanic that firstly has the potential be fun, but secondly, enables people to gather currency to then obtain the vindicator for free.
No one wants to pay 100 quid for a new ship every 2 months, and it’s becoming abundantly clear the game developers want us to, rather than allowing us to grind it out.
Funny, as once the vindicator is unlocked, the need to run arenas becomes redundant 🤔
Make improvements to arenas gameplay, cut the bs bugs and poor matchmaking algorithm, and then folk’s who like pvp will continue to play it, or this will become another mechanic people will avoid

[turbid wadi]

lol so you flag my message that had no explicit language in it got it have fun scopley I see how it is

[inner plover]

The xs are what did it

the message was fine otherwise

[runic isle]

Another way to balance matching would be to give a pick up group option that gives currency but no progress/loss on rank. You just get put in a pool of players interested in participating in arenas from the whole region (not just your server). Pick up groups would only be matched with other pick up groups. Even if you're matched with bad players or leeches, random is fair and balanced (you may lose because of them this match, but you might win against them the next).

Keep the premade groups fighting premades. Keep this the only way to advance ranks.

This will help remove the most skilled and highest spenders and most strategic from the premade groups as they achieve max rank. They'll still be able to run pick up groups for their weekly currency needs and help other random players get wins.

[agile forum]

simplest solution is usually the best

just make queuing for arenas global, where everyone joins, then create games automatically choosing the participants based on ops level

3 vs 3 where all 3 are exactly the same ops, or similar ops, but making it so that you couldn't group next gen ops with previous gen ops

for example, grouping 50, 51 and 52 in the same team, but not 53

also have 53, 54 and 55 but not 56 and not 52 or below

only exception I would make is that 40 - 45 should be a single group, not 40-41 and then 42-45

(btw, makes no sense to me to skip the ops 42 uc ship)

[turbid wadi]

i know the xs was what did it but the thing is if an actual person read the message they would be able to tell it wasnt used to censot a swear but used in a different manner hence why I was writing it the way i was which from your statement you were able to see and understand it. there wasn't anything negative towards any one person or company but because i put x's in a row actually ya know what it doesn't matter because nothing changes have a good one and happy ya got promoted after all of the answer you've been giving out on here

[wet tide]

Not just FT's but also CT's... ran into a Sanctus at ops 56 that was almost at 1.1B.

[wispy ivy]

The waning of participation in Arenas was palpable yesterday. Two things need to change.

Arenas need a longer time window and/or preferably need to not be on a work day. I always say Sundays are a good fit, but that might not be the case for everyone.

The large level disparity needs some way to be addressed. An ops 42 being able to be in a match with an ops 56 does not work. I have no idea how this can actually be fixed, but something needs done. As it stands now, matches like this one drive the majority of people away from arenas.

[wind forge]

I’m very annoyed with arenas overall. I missed yesterday and a few weeks before that. It’s a narrow window one day each week that frankly doesn’t work with my schedule. If I did have time I would have simply asked if any alliance mates felt like losing a few for points. I’m not competitive at PVP due to lack of $ investment in the forbidden tech, etc. necessary and up to this point direct PVP hasn’t really been a necessity for progression in the game. Even winning incursions are more about raiding than pvp battles. If you are going to tease me with cool stuff that I can’t get otherwise and force me to rely on my alliance’s sole 70 player to be on to help me win on the rare Monday I actually can be available… well, this 5year lvl 64 player might just be done with this game.

[indigo night]

If you go asking Content Creators they'll just tell you to crew better, use Cerritos and Titan and exocomps, and hope that the other guy crews poorly. Then you might win one PVP match or maybe two!

[golden mortar]

Despite the extra lag in Arenas yesterday, I still was able to have a lot of fun. Went 7 and 5. Once again we lost two matches on paper that we should have won. Those two teasm just out played us. We had the biggest ships by far. We also won one against a team that had a ops 61 and ops 62 player. Our biggest for this match was ops 57. The opposing teams lvl 60s spent way to much time trying to "club" us to death and lost by points. Once again I would like to say that I really enjoy arenas. It is engaging, competitive and rewarding.....despite the tech difficulties yesterday.

[versed fulcrum]

Constructivly, arena should have a 1 v 1 option. Maybe let you use an extra ship in that case

[junior yoke]

That could be quite fun 👍

[scarlet wind]

I agree the matching is atrocious and I say this event though THIS TIME I was a net beneficiary of this insanity—43 47 50 squad I was in kept getting these poor guys with 41 43 47 and even me not being a PvP player, those guys had zero chance against us—I didn’t even PvP, just running around with impulse crew and starting/winning the armadas while the other team kept trying their best but their best went nowhere. We then got matched with a squad having a 61 in it and then WE had zero chance of scoring… couldn’t even run a solomada because the 61 would just zip up and kill any ship that tried to get into the armada circle.

[royal cape]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-content-abhishek-sagar-उच्चकांटेंट-अच्छाकांटेंट-उच्चदर्जेकाकांटेंट-gif-20686929

[warm pendant]

Sincerely wish, instead of matching folks by average ops... That's a part of it, but the biggest priority should be to match folks within the same generation of ships... If you advanced into g5 rares, you should be matched primarily with folks with those ships. No reason why someone with G6 ships should be grouped up and hitting several generations down.

As of now, most groups are taking advantage and skewing average ops of groups to make really tilted teams. I'd gladly take a slightly longer wait if I knew I was playing more teams in my same ship generation

[haughty horizon]

This and variations of this have been said in this thread over and over. There are many ways to bring some measure of equality into matchmaking. This is as good a way as any.

The only glaring issue remaining is the unwillingness of Scopely to agree and make some changes. At this point, its either:

1. They actually like it this way. Yeah, 90%+ of their player pool hates the feature and doesn’t engage, but of the maybe 10% that do, some of them get caught up in FOMO/rage/competitiveness and buy more to catch up/get an edge… which would be an acceptable result from a ‘finished’ but recurring feature.

2. They know it sucks but aren’t going to invest resources into something that won’t see a return on that investment.

I don’t see the numbers so I can’t know which it is… but HAM and the others know how to read and pass things along, so the message has been received by the Scopely team. The complete lack of change now or indicated for the future leaves us only to conclude that there won’t be any serious changes done to arenas.

[near cairn]

Reduced kishara delay????? So even worse targeting in arenas....good job!!

[grand jay]

To boil it down , THEY DONT FREAKING CARE.

[knotty lantern]

I keep repeating myself: introduce a pve grind for the terran store, problems solved 👍

[rocky osprey]

Last Monday me and my team mates hat to restart on multiple occasions to even be able to deploy our ships when the match started, please look into this

This and ships getting stuck in warp/battles are the biggest detriment for gameplay for me right now

[toxic pine]

Surrender Button When?

Can someone on here make a GIF or Picture asking for a Surrender Button?

[sage shuttle]

Arenas is no longer Scopelys newest baby in stfc, therefore it's pretty much the finished item as far as they're concerned. Another potentially fantastic feature (and l don't even like pvp) completely ruined by not being prepared to listen to the players regarding timings, match ups, lag etc.
There still a slim chance they could sort it out, after all, Alliance Tournaments is so much better now!!....Oh, wait 🤣🤣

[fair creek]

whats more laggy? arenas or redis lab maintainance? 🤔

[tardy pelican]

Anyone still do them ?
The matching is absolutely ridiculous
The lag is abnormal even for stfc
Dead content

[cursive cape]

I refuse…my arena rating can forever stay N/A, and it doesn’t hurt my feelings in the slightest.

[robust stag]

🤣😇

[knotty lantern]

I mean, some of the stuff in the store is nice to have. But as long as its available through arena only I won't go for it 😅

[cursive cape]

agreed

[ancient hound]

More rlb's and xslbs's your fix for the failed feature? Packed in wrong promises of fixed performance

[glass moat]

But they are still determined to continue making the sand on Monday, how is it possible?

[turbid wadi]

well I'll take the comp chest they say they're giving its better than spending 8hrs trying to do arena and get in 2 matches if you're lucky

[red crater]

Wow Arena prep events all Regional SLB’s way to stick it to the player base. I’m very certain my feedback was more sms or ams events which are far more attainable and enjoyable.

[brazen matrix]

Comp chest is an insult..should be giving out levels.

[toxic pine]

Arena Surrender Button When?

[tardy pelican]

🤣🤣🤣🤣
Slb's as compensation
This arena content is beyond saving now
Great job

[wicked tulip]

<@&509690795536941056> Can you look into perhaps having the team either disconnect arena rep from the Terran store completely OR stop making losses impact rep in such a high manner. There is one research I want from the Terran store that I have been arena rep locked out of for three weeks now.

Once you are at Gold 2, losses take away as much rep as a win essentially. I have been stuck at that rep for weeks. Without a systemic change, I have very little chance at my ops in matchmaking to get any headway on that rep.

Why non-arena research is locked behind arena rep is beyond me, it makes no logical sense and adds to the frustration the other arena issues are already causing. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

[glass moat]

What compensation box? They haven't given me anything

[faint wharf]

Good day and goodwill 😃
The arena is in my personal opinion the best part of the game bc of its potential.

[faint wharf]

Here's my personal list of things I would like to be added.

1. Maze ( the ability to slow down an attacker is the fighting chance a smaller player needs to thrive and compete )
2. Mines and worm holes. ( more challenging and especially if you expand the arena)
3. I also think warping into arena should be adjusted to allow for entry from north and south poles.
4. Last make it worth it's name and allow for member to watch the arena competition.
   Lol, just my thoughts, great game, and Merry Christmas 🎅

[willow mantle]

i dont participate in arena. last 2 times i joined only thing happened was my ships got destroyed by 6 ships waiting for my team to enter ... 2 seconds later we are all dead

[toxic pine]

Surrender Button When?

[blazing otter]

I have given up on arenas for now at least, ops 59 is a really terrible place to be for this event as you are almost certainly going to get matched against G5 epics, which are vastly superior to anything G5 rare can offer (without having spent heavily), or even worse get matched against G6 players. My worst match up so far: my team 57, 58, 61, and enemy team was 59, 64, 69.

But I also understand the difficulty from Scopley's POV. G6 players are customers too, make matching making too restrictive based on ops and G6 (and lets face it paying customers) are going to be frustrated with long match making wait times and assuming they can get a match all. But as it stands now, there are many ops ranges that serve as nothing other than cannon fodder.

So what can Scopley do, as many, many commanders have already said make the matches more tactical with different objectives rather than just power vs power. Ideas could include

Capture the flag - speed, tactics and your team running interference matter there, not a 12bn unstoppable cube.
Limited use cloaking - maybe one cloak per person per match, use it wisely.
Entry safe zone - small areas on the perimeter of entry where no combat can happen, no more being dead before you can even load the system.
Randomly appearing loot goblins, immune to cutting beam, spot and kill it fast and first for big points.

[turbid wadi]

i like the loot goblin idea and the safe entry zones because lets face it the strongest player from an opposing team can and does in my experience camp the warping in side usally with a speed crew. it'd be nice if that safe area isn't just for warping in but also that opposing team can't enter it at all would make it fair for both sides in regards to bad match ups. Least then we dont get killed as we enter heck we get that during tc's why have that in arena's lol

[toxic pine]

Still need a Surrender Button though Probably the first thing I want before anything else. Limited use to 2 Minutes in with 2/3 Vote structure, because lets face it when you out class or are out classed you dominate and get enough points to win by the 5-6 Minute mark, but some players see that and then take their time to draw out the full 10 minutes.

[opaque path]

The match making system is a joke (atleast in the 61+ ops space). This is a pay to win game, yet arena is a pay to get farmed by someone who has paid more than you system. Its beyond lame and is a sure fire way to encourage friends or even beefy pvp players to not play arena together. Games are meant to be played with friends, this is just dumb. Why wouldn't each class of ship 70's, 66's, 63's get their own bracket? Get rid of the ranking system, there's players on my server I decimate in pvp, yet have triple to 10x my score cause they can game the system where as I'm in a situation where I cannot. Command real just came out, apparently I've overtaken 99.5% of all players, but arena doesn't show for it cause I can't find someone 7 levels below me to start and 14 levels below me to join us. Strategy can't overcome ships 10 to 20 times your power with 4 times your speed.
Ops 65
Win ratio week 1 was approximately 19W to 1L
Win ratio since match making update is about 1W per 10L

[glacial junco]

Welcome to how ~~f2p ~~ non whales feel about every aspect of the game, not just arenas.

[wicked tulip]

Most other aspects of the game you are only competing with yourself and your goals. The mistake in normal play is trying to match others. In arenas, the issue is exponentially exaggerated for all players except the top pvp spenders in their ranges. Once you say you will use matchmaking in a game, you are promising even matches. Huge fail there, scopely. The worst part is the arena rep and it being tied to non arena research.

[toxic pine]

Surrender Button When?

[tardy pelican]

Remove arena when ?

[opaque path]

I dont want everyone to assume that I think arena is worthless and needs trashing. On the contrary. I'd rather it be queued in the background and wait 20-30 minutes while doing other things and then get a notification that the ultimate match up is about to occur. I've had maybe 4 matches since arena came out that was some of THE BEST pvp experiences thus far on STFC. It was amazing, even the losses, edge of the seat stuff, pure bliss. Loved every second of it. When the game is fair and balanced, that is how it is supposed to feel, instead scopely purposely wants you to feel like a trapped baby seal on a beach with the Mountain from Game of Thrones fast approaching with his club.

1. Less frequent and intense / closer matches is far superior to more rapid mind numbingly easier frequent matches. Adjust your match making system to penalize players using the 14 ops spread rule (or some variation of it).
2. Add brackets based on the highest ship level. If you are in a group with a player who has a Krencha, then you are in the bracket where at least one player on each team has at least one G6 epic.
3. Drop the ranking system, gate locking stuff behind an inaccessable wall, incentivizes players to stop playing lowering the number of players actually competing.
4. Give optional stacking buffs to players who have lost multiple matches in a row, this could help give underpowered players a chance at a win and overpowered players a greater challenge further incentivizing arena play.

[glass moat]

I don't think it will make any changes to the arena. Since that would be going against the whales, the majority who pay is to win, They don't want an equal battle at all, They don't like to feel equal to the others, That's why they pay, I don't want to say that all the whales pay just to win, but the majority, yes

[opaque path]

Ive outgrown 99.5% of all players in STFC. I can safely say im not a dolphin or ftp. Whales dont want mind numbing grinds, they pay to skip them. They want a fun game that works. They cling to hope that scopely will deliver. This as its designed, is nothing more than farm your server for a perfect team, make them switch alliances to one if needed, then spam matches for almost instant wins. No one thinks fighting a ship 3 or 4 tiers above thiers is fun, so why is that even a thing? This isnt territory no holds bar, they said it themselves they were trying to add some balance but all they did was scew things up in my opinion. As stated above, match making is broken.
Please add this changes
#💣-arena-feedback message

[willow mantle]

The majority are awful at PvP, that’s not the issue. The issue is firstly finding a group to begin with at higher ops and then the problem with ship classes…I’m in a bracket (after reaching Gold 2 stopped participating) where I’m constantly grouped with ops 70’s (I’m 67) who are able to bring cubes that, regardless of research/crew, etc., are going to win on sheer strength. The cube in G6 has broken PvP more than any other content, I hate the ugly thing. 🤮😅 Anyway, for most G6 players I know (who love PvP) have chosen to ignore arena until match making is more realistic and less painful to lose (rep loss).

[willow mantle]

The video was made no doubt to make us feel good ($$$), shame the effort can’t be spent on improving the game, but focusing on our egos pays more I guess…. There’s more than 1,000 players above you, that 99.95% number doesn’t seem that accurate unless it includes all accounts ever created. Imo anyone below ops 70 is a “🐠”😅

[north crow]

I didn't play last week bc the matching is horrible. Don't know if I will play tomorrow.

[halcyon imp]

if you have the right levels in your alliance you can force favorable matchmaking.
the current matchmaking system benefits squads with wide ops ranges.

[tardy pelican]

You cute for thinking scopley will ever make arena a fair and fun experience

[toxic pine]

Surrender Button Expected When?

[rocky stirrup]

Nerf arenas so that everyone in there goes in with same level ships then it’s down to crews, research and tactics and not pure random luck of the uneven matchup

[north crow]

So a 50 & 2 57s is the best team?

[uneven wing]

57 is a largely pointless ops over 56 for arena.
ideal arena matchmaking seems to favor:

• top end player at the lowest ops bracket for their ship
• starter 7 ops below that player
• 3rd person the starter's ops or lower.
  this brings your average drastically down, making it extremely unlikely your top player has to face anyone with bigger ships and a good shot they're facing people with smaller ships

I kinda suspect the ideal team is 46/53/60; 46 speed crews two big g4r's for loot bonuses, 53 either does the same or brings Cerritos/mantis/titan/speed NESA, 60 brings two max g5e's

[opaque path]

All I'm hearing is a resounding repeat of what I requested above. Average ops level is broken by player abuse. Break matches up into brackets so Ent-D's are not fighting Pilums, so Krencha's are not fighting Ent-D's, ect...
Scopely, please add these changes.
#💣-arena-feedback message

[ripe ingot]

Stuck in batlle

just a joke

loosing points every time

[sick spruce]

Arena is a laggy mess atm

Ships stuck in combat when destroyed, ships not responding to commands, ships not in the same location as shown

[fallen gust]

This 💩 happens every week and they ignore the reports from APAC. Then when the rest of the world rolls around they are surprised why it’s so 💩

[dusky osprey]

It's like the last year and emphasised by this month arc has shown us. They simply do not care as long as people are paying them money. Long gone are the days when games were designed to be something fun to do, now they are designed by how we can make money > does it semi function > some fun

[quiet raven]

Arena matching sux.. we are below 50, yet matched with 50+. Their ships are over 100M. Ours are level gated and no where that strong. Wake up dev!! Ensure level gated ships are properly matched.

[toxic pine]

Assuming this has not been implemented yes?

[quiet raven]

Leader (46), we had a 49, and 53. Matched with 63, and 50++. We are toast even before starting.

[fickle niche]

a Surrender/Backout/Leave button will make the whales sad with no matches to show-off their ships pumped up on prime steroid packs. Scopely doesnt want the whales to be sad. So no, a Surrender button is highly unlikely to happen. Just painfully sit there and endure the 10 minutes and get that 400 emblems while watching your arena rank tank.

[plain aurora]

dosnt need 10 min... if the other dosnt come in it ends in 5 min

or below because speedcrews

[fickle niche]

most of the whales i have seen are dumb enough to not use speed and loot crews to do the armadas fast enough. 7~8 minutes is average without us showing up

[plain aurora]

or the right ships (for examble g4 rare)^^

[robust bobcat]

I am only participating to get the vindicator BPs then I will be relieved to leave this disaster behind me 🤣 the problem is when you are smacked around by a ship twice the size of you in the matchmaking your standings decrease and the rewards do too, I’m am now using arena time as an opportunity to make a brew or check emails whilst the timer runs down! It had “real potential ruined by poor planning” (which is the real motto of scopley)

[proud socket]

You'd get way more people taking part if you didn't insist on auto recalling miners that are mining in token space!

[short canopy]

but then people will start yapping that they can use only 2 (for example) docks, while all others are unavailable 🙂

[thorny pasture]

For now arena works very good.

[proud socket]

Maybe, but there's no way I'm gonna lose a 4* mining token that are hard enough to get as it is, just to play something that is at best a poorly implemented feature.

[proud socket]

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-greene-daniel-greene-does-it-though-gif-19158820

[thorny pasture]

For me, yes.

[silk tapir]

After 2 weeks skipping arenas, still the same broken match making. Aim not surpiced at all 😂

[fair creek]

yep, some matches are unplayable...
position tracking is instable and without knowing where the ships are you cant play. even when your display says you reached your destination you can still get attacked at some random position because of latency

how about an actual comp, with tripplerefines over a whole week?

[simple prairie]

how is it i can not warp to the other system. also did you guys not say that you fix the lag problem yet i still get it in arena

[modest estuary]

Warping issues, lag in system and meeting 6G players with a 5G group again. Same as every week it seems, but why changing this winning formula? 😞 😠

[tardy pelican]

Wow
Arena even worse than last week
Nice job scopley team

[robust bobcat]

So….. give it a miss again (before I recall my miners) 🤣

[ancient hound]

well as expected ... the x-slb's did fix NOTHING... still same fail...

[tardy pelican]

Don't recall miner
Mining more fun

[fair creek]

arena degenerated from a fun and nearly good balanced activity down to a queue until you got enough stuff for the week simulator.

what made it so fun? the possibility to win and get some points while having a good strategy. thats down the drain because of bad latency which results in wrong/delayed information for the player. that takes away the skillfactor and thus makes it impossible to make fun generating moves.

[robust bobcat]

Briefly fun and now a mindless countdown to get the crumbs of rewards to access the BPs for the vindicator, if sourcing was possible elsewhere I would happily ignore Arenas like we ignore starbase, swarm armardas, doomsday worms etc etc

[dusky osprey]

actually had some time to play arenas for the first time in 3 weeks (albeit briefly) 100 people in our alliance and been in a team waiting for the 3rd member for 45 minutes and now my times up. there goes another week...

[royal cape]

Please fix the matchmaking, it can't be that the opponents are always at least one ship class higher. is that so hard?

[empty steeple]

@muted badger has there been a change so that ships are no longer protected in armada circle during the 10s timer? Or is it a bug?

[rocky crypt]

Stability of the arena is bad. Lag, getting kicked from the fight, scoring not being updated.

[cunning swift]

Was just coming to ask this Unc 🤣

[dark solar]

Arena lag is ridiculously bad now, what is this?

Worse of all the weeks arena has been running

[rough totem]

That's how popular Arena is at the moment in our 80+ members alliance <@&509690795536941056> ...

[knotty lantern]

Introduce a pve grind for the terrain store, problem solved

[thorny pasture]

Haha, Good matchmaking Scopley 😄

[dark solar]

58,3 vs 58,6 average ops.

[rocky crypt]

Ships stuck in battle.... fix this mess

[thorny pasture]

??????????

[lime narwhal]

we had 9of10 like this.

[dark solar]

Sum of ops on both teams is 176 vs 175 - to your advantage even.

[thorny pasture]

Why armadas are canceled if I m in within 15 seconds???

[pine gate]

This is one of the worst parts of arena. Teams like these should not be the best strategy, average ops should be counted by 2 highest or just the highest player.

Playing with uneven team should be a disadvantage, currently its often an advantage.

[cedar seal]

Why would anyone still play this? Matchmaking worse then ever.

66 with Cube and speed crew killing everything out of nowhere (lags = cloaking device for cube)

[dark solar]

Here your team has an 8 ops advantage, presumably because of the rank difference. It's the same problem as what Kiob just said above. It should not be average ops, but highest ops instead.

[craggy heron]

unbalanced teams + lag = no fun

[coral onyx]

Looking at total of ops your team had 176, theirs had 175. That is perfect average ops matching. The issue is your squad creation not taking advantage of the average.

[honest geyser]

Thanks scopely for lvl 70 player in max ops 67 squad. Greatest Match making ever 💪

[craggy heron]

they should match by median (not avg) power level

[tardy pelican]

We was 58 58 59
Vs 61 62 64
How is that fair?
Content made by people who hate fair play

[dark solar]

This would not change anything, meta would still be 53-60-66, or even 60-60-66

[junior yoke]

The least people play arenas -> the worse matchmaking will get -> loop. Sadly this will quickly kill arenas if something is not done from scopely

[coral onyx]

The main issue now is apathy. It's getting harder and harder to get a squad together. Been waiting nearly 4 hours already..

[tardy pelican]

Better give us invasion every week than this broken arena 💩

[coral onyx]

Maybe the answer is not to create a squad, but instead join as individuals and get matched up into squads at arena start. This means that pairings can be tailored to the actual players in the arena.

[dark solar]

And then get matched with random afkers and derankers when you want to actually play? No thanks

[sharp terrace]

love reading the weekly complaints about matching from ppl who still don't get it 😂

[royal cape]

Really Good Matchmacking 👍

Sarkasmus off**

[coral onyx]

Better than wanting to play and not being able to. I'm sure an active mechanism could be designed to stop the AFK. And at the end of the day it will be for 1 match. Next mactup can be randomized again

[coral onyx]

Total ops levels are 195 vs 193.

[royal cape]

yeah sure the ops lvl is a real good matchmacking mechanismus if there ist one inside with minimum 1 ship tier higher who can kill everything with speed crews.........

[dark solar]

Yes, it should not be based on average ops.

[ancient hound]

might be ya didn't spend enough on the rlb's to fix your disadvantage that's why they added them or? 🤔 🤣

[craggy heron]

stuck in combat

[muted badger]

Hearing about matchmaking, but how was performance lag/targting wise?

[sharp terrace]

matching is fine, lag is 💩💩💩

[honest geyser]

Nobody wants to play Arena either. With this match making

[silk tapir]

Arena matches whant to make me quit the game

[muted badger]

How's performance compared to last week?

[sharp terrace]

worse, waiting 5 secs or more for tokens after reds or armada kills

[dark solar]

Worst of all the weeks it has been on!

[sharp terrace]

yes, they turned down the server capacity too much

[honest geyser]

Worse. Lost 5 times in a row without any chance. With ops 67 people gold players and ops 70 people

[sharp terrace]

ships stuck in battle at 00s this time for >30 secs

... still stuck

... maybe the cleaners unplugged something to use their vacuum?

[plain aurora]

1. the matchmaking is a bad joke! put a pvp powerd lv 56 against max 50! really!!!!
2. the lag is a horror
3. stuck in warp... <@&509690795536941056> when will fix that? if scoplay want that arena survives give us a timeline!

[coral onyx]

Performance is a bit better, still a bit of lag on speed crew ships meaning getting killed by massive ships with speed crews before you get chance to move. Haven't seen any cubes yet today

Again big issue just trying to get a team together, everyone has been put off by past experience.

[silk tapir]

Would with this matchmaking system, it makes people quit instead of spending more

[tawdry mantle]

Can you please please please stop having G6 shis vs g5 players, can they not seperate the brakets? We are ops 56 ish and we keep going agasint ops 62s and have no chance. It feels like if you not abusing tanking the teama verage down by having a 7 lower connector and a 7 lower than that player you cant win

[plain aurora]

3 g4 player vs 1 big gunned lv 56... no chance to win...

[coral onyx]

You need to take advantage of that match making and spread your teams more by ops.

[plain aurora]

@muted badger if there a timeline to fix matchmaking (its a joke fighting with pilum against sanctus) or fix lag or stuck in warp? if not i think its time to end Arena for me... think if scoplay want a change let the wales play against each other... i cant lauthing for ignore the community since 2+ weeks each week same garbadge

[pseudo linden]

My favourite part of arenas.

Game breaks, you restart game
All ships are dead, send out a couple more
Game breaks again, Restart dead

That's my match over

[tawdry mantle]

So in otherwords unless you abuse the matchmaking you loose

That isnt good

[coral onyx]

Everyone can do it though, it's just a tactic.

[tawdry mantle]

unless you cant coz you in a small alliance and dont have the exact right ops to do it

[plain aurora]

if you dont have the player you cant di taktic

[tawdry mantle]

A tactic only availible to some shouldnt be a requirement

[coral onyx]

Trust me I understand, I'm in a large alliance, but getting 3 players who want to do arenas at the moment is near impossible. Then getting the spread is also hard on top of that

[tawdry mantle]

Now imagine not being in a large alliance

That "tactic" isnt availible so what we just auto loose

[coral onyx]

We have to work with what we have unfortunately. Or we just have to skip it. I try to do them as I want the favours in the terran store. I'm not a pvp player, but like the no consequence nature of PVP in arenas. And I've lost the 2 arenas I've managed to get unto today because we were against bigger shps

[short basin]

• bad lag this week (worse than usual)
• scores getting stuck
• matches ending without clear indication of victory or loss

[tawdry mantle]

This is a feedback channel, I am giving feedback

saying you gotta work with what you get isnt an answer in a feedback channel

[coral onyx]

I made suggestions above on how to fix the matching, but people didnt like it. My suggestion is no squads upfront, and the game makes squads and matches them into arenas, that way the balance can be much better. It go shot down because people said they would get stuck with afk players or ones just there to get the 400 loss points

[plain aurora]

its short... matchmaking lag and crashes and stuck making arena unplayable this time... and tey should fix and make better each of them really fast

[coral onyx]

So how about other people come up with better ideas for match making, rather than it sucks.

[ancient hound]

i am still interested in seeing what matchmaking by amount 💳 spend would be like

it's the only metric they care about should be easy to align matchmaking to it or? can't be that hard?

[coral onyx]

Not really because new servers with have players of lower levels who have spent more than f2p on older servers who are approaching G6.

[tawdry mantle]

restrict grade bracktets its simple, G5 players should band with G5 players and should face G5 players

Its simple and it works

[fair creek]

there is no way to find true balance in a heavily unbalanced game where a 42 with tantalusfield can go against a 50 epic. all you need is that one FT. so even if you balance it on average might this would not impact anything.

they could try to make rank weight more again, that way those with true power will inevitable get higher ranks, so weaker players will play in lower ranks.

but that way you get all the trouble of high ops differences and maybe have a powerful ship with bad crew against a weaker ship with good crew.

you just have to decide whats the best of the worst option to pick from. and of course have a good latency and stability where players dont have to restart every time something goes wrong.

[coral onyx]

I agree.

[neon heart]

Got to love the matchmaking, 90% of g5 epics slaughter us. Did scopely learn matchmaking from fifa?

[coral onyx]

As for grade limiting that's not going to help a G5 UC won't match a G5 epic. And a G6 ops 61 doesn't have G6 battleships. However their research can stomp a 60 with the same ships.

[silk tapir]

Cant even select ships anymore, GG

[tepid oriole]

infinite inability

[plain aurora]

no if that other ship is 5:1 over yours not... have the field (t9!) 144m pilum nearly max normal research but i dont can win against 550m sanctus pvp equip and good pvp research... i have to face 3 time against... last time group disband by leader...

we are 2x 50 1x 49 (no other spread possible) they have a 56, 49, 44

no 53 no 54 or 55 its a 56 with a rare g5 against rare g4...

if you see the research levelcap you know there is nothing you can do

[mint parrot]

Problem with lag still not solved. 😞

[neon heart]

So we have terrible matchmaking as ususal. Lag is a complete utter nightmare, ships freezing up, "losing connection" when my net is fine, but of course only of STFC, ships stuck in battle forcing a restart, and yet you STILL can't fix anything?

[plain aurora]

think If scpplay does nothing Arena dies faster... its dying but if they dont do anythink only wales will be play against each other... the normal player skip that arena (most do it in this moment!)

[coral onyx]

Our whales don't even want to play.

[neon heart]

Arenas wont die, that's the problem, they've put a fair bit in them that a lot of players will want and need, ignoring the pvp officers, where else can you get the G4-6 innovation favour to reduce bp cost? It's the only free way to get the Vindicator ship, also got MU Uhura, though she doesn't look that useful, it has about the only reliable premium dust supply as well

[ancient hound]

yep just like many other features in the past they can't admit it's a major fail and try to keep running it in one way or another

[mint parrot]

more and more ppl will start arenas to lose and then they become pve content.

[plain aurora]

the most content you get is on higher rank

[blazing quarry]

i think one way to help make arenas more appealing is litterally lower the level cap from +/- 7 to +/-3 at most then both sides have a somewhat of a better chance to fight each other instead of seeing 1 team with a high level ops which makes the team think right lets no show and sit on our thumbs for 10 mins <@&509690795536941056>

[neon heart]

Best part of the lag is chasing a speed crew ship with a speed crew ship, the faster one can't catch it because of the lag, it's only 100 impulse faster

[safe fox]

<@&509690795536941056> arenas seems like a good feature howver it has become completly unplayable with matchups like this every time

[astral pebble]

Lags are TERRIBLE!

[obtuse geyser]

Terrible ship tracking

[safe fox]

and again

just make it so a lvl 60 cant queue with g5s

[dark solar]

On both of your images your teams has bigger average ops level. Just say "the average ops matchmaking isn't working - switch it to [your suggestion]" and hope they change it.

As it is now, the matchmaking is working absolutely perfectly, so your images don't help at all.

[halcyon imp]

just had a good match turn into a loss with 463 points for us and 118 points for them...
also couldn't attack any ships because my ships would fly away from them when trying to attack...

[safe fox]

no there is enough people to allow it to put u against same level players and also do the ranks not mean anything as how can we go against the max rank when we are in silver

[neon heart]

Scopely, match making from Fifa

[obtuse geyser]

$coplay you need to fix the lag. Not possible to use speed tactics due to lag. It makes Arena Terrible to play in, not funny at all. Just playing to get loot for the faction store. So i can survive the next week. This weeks Arena is a Fail due to lag and ship tracking.

[dark solar]

I agree, even the matchmaking is a secondary issue when the actual game is unplayable.. FIX pls

[lone lintel]

Lag is terrible, especially with the cube, when you can't target the opponents cube because each time you select it its 8 seconds away from where it is on the screen. So you can't kill it.
+3 either side of the starter could work for matchmaking, though would probably need to open it up to the server rather than just with the alliance.

[modern kite]

how is this balanced and fair?