⭐┃trilogy-general

[rotund saddle]

how do I injure them? they can still die if I shoot them in the legs

[quiet rock]

How do we get the true ending?

[late condor]

they can, yeah, you need low-caliber weapon because of that, also aiming for feet/toes is your best bet, calves and thighs have 1.0x damage, foot has 0.2x, also a bit of save scumming is a must

[quiet rock]

I looted X-16, all of it, but I can't seem to get it

[late condor]

Loot Ghost body -> Get quest to meet Gudie on Cordon -> Follow that questline

[quiet rock]

I accidentally messed the order up, is it still fine?

I didn't seem to even get the quest to meet Guide

[late condor]

wdym messed the order up? guide quest should appear when you search ghost body, if you missed it you have to reload a save as gates to x16 will be closed for the second time you come in

[quiet rock]

I alr completed the normal endings for the game, so I am searching for the true one, can't seem to get it though

[quiet rock]

Really? I can still refight the lab, entering it and such, did my game bugged or something?

[late condor]

you CAN theoretically skip most of the questline with bug abuse but that's not recommended, how did you even miss ghost's body? did you not get the x16 docs?

[quiet rock]

I did, the files on the table of x16

[late condor]

That's X18.

[rotund saddle]

how to make them pick up the weapon? I drop it but they don't pick it up

[quiet rock]

Is X16 the place where you turn off the brain sorcher?

[late condor]

No, that's X10/X19. X16 is the Yantar lab.

[quiet rock]

Yea the mobile lab

with the old guy and the ecologist

[late condor]

... that send you to the underground lab under the factory

[quiet rock]

yea that's the lab right?

[late condor]

with big brain in the middle and you need to turn off psy emitter

[quiet rock]

yea that's the one\

[late condor]

yes, that's the X16 lab. not Sakharov's mobile lab.

Did you get docs from there? They were on Ghost's body. Searching the body plays an audio recording and gives you a quest to find Guide.

[late condor]

Are you doing that to a pistol-only dude? Can you send a screenshot what he looks like?

[quiet rock]

the lab where it got bombarded by heli afterward right?

[late condor]

Yeah that's the one, but it's not the lab getting bombarded but the area around it

[quiet rock]

Well yea, but I dont think it appeared

[rotund saddle]

yes, pistol-only, in the vehicle station

lol game crashed

[late condor]

can you send a save file so that i can try it myself and see?

can't say why that doesnt work without playing with it myself

[quiet rock]

Well regardless, can the game bugs that way?

[late condor]

Never heard of that partiuclar bug, can you check the message log for when you were last in X16?

[quiet rock]

It's been a while, lemme check

[rotund saddle]

just the .sav file?

[late condor]

yep

[rotund saddle]

He even walked over it but still didn't pick it up #📸┃screens_and_videos message

[quiet rock]

Do they register as a main quest?

[late condor]

there's no main quest / secondary quest distiction in soc

[quiet rock]

how would you address it then? I just call it however convinience it is

[late condor]

Just check your quest log? Is there a quest to meet with Guide/Doctor? If not, check your message log.

[icy hinge]

In your opinion. And it did look great in 2007, today not so much.

[rotund saddle]

@late condor is it possible to heal wounded enemies?

[charred prism]

many ppl hold wrong opinions, much like how some ppl think CoP is the best in the series

[late condor]

not in soc

[rotund saddle]

it's possible in other stalkers?

[icy hinge]

You need to get to a loot box in pripyat, before going to the wish grant... The loot provides the key/code for the door to the side of the wish granter, go through that and continue to the end of the game.

[icy hinge]

Well, that's a lie. CoP is good, but not that good.

[icy hinge]

Don't you get to heal the guy at the top of the hill just before the bridge outside rookie village for starters, and I think I remember helping others elsewhere

[rotund saddle]

I mean enemies

[late condor]

cs has a bug that allows you to talk to hostile npcs so you can heal them but wont again any relation from them

[icy hinge]

I don;t know... I just shot them in the head to stop them moaning...

[rotund saddle]

@late condor is it possible to give better guns to rookies in the rookie village?

[late condor]

Yes but it needs to be same ammo type and higher ranked weapons

If you steal weapons from arena after completing all 7 fights you can use them to consistently give those to NPCs as long as it’s same ammo type

[rotund saddle]

what do you mean "steal weapons from arena"?

[late condor]

They are technically unique weapons even though they are identical to regular ones so if you get them out with either console commands or bug abuse you can use them to give them to NPCs and eg force them to give up much better guns (including uniques)

Cause for whatever ungodly reason GSC gave those weapons highest weapon rank in the game

So a regular arena AKM is better than than Tunder 5.45 technically

Easiest way to steal them is opening demo_record 1, going under the map to find the arena, going to leftmost booth and finding a dynamite crate in there, smashing space while looking on it then doing demo_play 1 to get the camera near the crate and opening it, you can then take its contents

[rotund saddle]

lol ok

[rotund saddle]

the quest where Sid asks you for documents from the military checkpoint: he says there will be less guards at night, I went there at night and still had to kill 15 enemies

he even said "at night they only leave two guards" - lol

@late condor if I don't kill all the military after x18 do they just wander around the zone later?

[late condor]

yes, a-life in this game is notable for situations like those, it's interesting to see people you met before turn up somewhere else

[rotund saddle]

because there's a lot of military guys walking around in the cordon now lol

alone and in groups

they keep appearing at the garbage-cordon entrance and stalkers are fighting them

[icy hinge]

I attack the check point with a pistol... Draw them upto rookie village, if I havent killed them all, get an AK, finish off the rest, I cleanse that base right out, IIRC, you can get documents that early too

[rotund saddle]

I already had good gear when I decided to attack them, I didn't need to lure them out

[grizzled rock]

patofeliz10 has been banned

Reason: Unspecified

[icy hinge]

I like to do it early to get gear, then kill the git at the bridge.... You wont money? I pay in lead

[zealous lantern]

yeah, I was confused by it too.

what's funny though, you can do this mission without killing anyone or being noticed.

there's a fallen tree near the fence (to the far left of the main entrance, there's a minefield so you need to be careful) that you can use to climb over the fence.

then there is a bunch of concrete stuff that you can use to get into the inner yard where barracks is.

there's only one guy patrolling around it, and he walks clockwise.

it took me a few tries before I realized that I need to press both the crouch and the walk keys at the same time while inside (otherwise the sleeping ones could wake up).

after you steal the case, you can use stairs at the building next to the barracks, and jump outside the checkpoint.

just gotta be crouching all the way (+walking while inside the barracks)

[late condor]

There are surprisingly many things designed around stealth in soc considering that stealth barely works lol

[zealous lantern]

exactly . I never did any stealth before, and was really surprised that it is possible.
felt like a sniper elite mission lol

[rotund saddle]

that's what I did, unfortunately the guy who was sleeping has magically seen me through the window in his sleep and got when I was crossing the fence

[late condor]

https://youtu.be/il2MarnHWtE?list=PLbWdGbsBE9SlfSIgCuJHooZz8xCy-0s07

there's a vid explaining how stealth works, this dude completed almost entire game in stealth, even segments that were not meant for that

[rotund saddle]

that's why they also designed the backup system: go in guns blazing

[rotund saddle]

that's insane, dude figured out stealth in stalker

[grizzled rock]

surdno has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rotund saddle]

@late condor it's possible to jump higher by throwing a weapon on the ground? https://youtu.be/jUqcnWK-4hg?si=YN6espzu1Kwgf19C&t=505

[late condor]

Never seen that being done before lol, there is a simple way to reach heights by climbing on top of a suit before jumping though, but this is next level

[rotund saddle]

it's the version 1.000 tho

[quiet rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1321413768533512252/1326555976106643528/image1.gif

@late condor can I DM you?

I have pics from my playthru

That shows that it isnt showing the missions

Or tasks on my PDA

[rotund saddle]

@late condor another 200 IQ jump https://youtu.be/GNiYtq1aAVw?si=grZ_0vi-ahhPiq88&t=211

at 4:25 he shows the gun throw jump again, but here it's against the fence, idk what game version he uses

[finite yew]

I didnt know about that area in SoC but I checked in CS and made my way in to the base through the back. Should have dont that in SoC

[late condor]

You can send the save

[late condor]

I am 100% sure patches did not change something like physics lol, probably just takes some practice to get to do that

[rotund saddle]

when I drop a weapon in 1.0006 it doesn't appear right in front of me like in the video

That slot also holds binoculars and is the reason why Petruha sometimes has a binoculars for sale and sometimes doesn’t. If any kind of food spawns in his inventory, it occupies the animation slot and you can buy the binoculars. If no food spawns, the animation slot stays empty and binoculars occupy it, making it impossible to buy it off.

Will giving him food make the binoculars appear in the inventory?

[late condor]

nope cause first item to enter the slot will occupy it, if food spawns naturally for him binoculars will appear, if it doesn't then no, only way to control that is start a new game

[rotund saddle]

"food spawns naturally" lol

you mean if he pulls food outta his ass?

[little swift]

Is Gsc going to add nvg in game soon so we don't have to run around with this low ass flashlight?

[rotund saddle]

you want nvg in shadow of chernobyl?

[little swift]

My bad Heart of Chernobyl I didn't read which group I was in sorry.

[rotund saddle]

[late condor]

There are chances for each food item to spawn in inventory which is why not every NPC always has all the edible items.

If all of those rngs fail and he has no food then binoculars will go to that slot

If any food spawns, then binoculars will be visible and available for trading

[rotund saddle]

what do you mean "has"? I thought the inventory I see when I loot a body isn't related to what NPC has when he's alive

[late condor]

You can open trade screen to see what the NPC actually has in their inventory. What they have on death is generated the moment they die, yes, and is related to game difficulty.

[rotund saddle]

Oh, so there is night vision in SoC, although 1st gen NV is blurry as hell, kinda useless.

[stone fiber]

Greetings my fellow stalkers

[whole geyser]

[rotund saddle]

[stone fiber]

how is everyone? ive been doing a lot of farming stalker soc

[rotund saddle]

how are the crops in the Zone?

[stone fiber]

a lot of walking and constant saving

[spice rain]

hello guys, have zrp, hd models adone and the owr3 installed but always when i shoot a weapon my game is crashing

can someone help me?

[ripe storm]

Can i see the log in #🔩┃trilogy_modifications ?

[spice rain]

oh sorry i think i asked in the wrong channel

[stone fiber]

Would anyone like to come to Virginia and make a spinoff fan film to Stalker?

[torn falcon]

playing completely Vanilla SHOC for the first time since 2007. some things actually hold up better than i remember.

also making me once again wonder why Stalker 2 had such a short day/night cycle. in my first full day in SHOC i made it from Cordon to Rostok doing story missions and some side quests

one thing, were there always this many random artifacts scattered everywhere? in agroprom i found like 6 jellyfish all in the same area

[stone fiber]

damn

[whole geyser]

there was yes they were out in the open vs how CS and COP did them

[torn falcon]

is that a bug ? i don't remember artifacts all over the damn place

[stone fiber]

they are everywhere

[whole geyser]

thats normal

[torn falcon]

breaks the econoamy a little bit. i was hauling around all these guns to sell, but instead there is just "free money" littered all over the place

[whole geyser]

i mean this is an arcade fps lol

[karmic horizon]

Playing SoC for an entire year (game time) before entering Pripyat for the first time (Part 1)

Playing SoC for an entire year (game time) before entering Pripyat for the first time (Part 2)

[torn falcon]

The legend. glad to see your'e still STALKING

@karmic horizon what do you think of STALKER 2 as perhaps the most OG trilogy player?

[karmic horizon]

I absolutely love it. it is far more and better than I was expecting.

[torn falcon]

makes me happy to hear. i feel the same, though i played a little too much too quick. beat it, and now replaying the trilogy while waiting for patches

[rotund saddle]

Sidorovich told you to murder around 100 people LOL

[rotund saddle]

137 defenses of the stalkers' camp in Garbage, it was a good decision to give up after the 2nd raid because I knew otherwise this would never end

[rotund saddle]

how long did this take in real life time?

[stone fiber]

is it bad i sold all my guns and ammo just to get a merc suit?

[torn falcon]

There is a free one in rookie village 😉

[stone fiber]

I had nearly 110 pounds of stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td3cee0_YSM

[late condor]

have you tried uninstalling the mods

[late condor]

Really? S2 left me insanely disappointed compared to OG trilogy.

Especially with how they handled the lore & geography.

I tempered my expectations and still ended up getting a worse product that I thought it would be.

[rotund saddle]

what did they do to geography?

[late condor]

Tried to make it fit real zone and broke existing events in the process to the point where they could not have happened on the new map

It’s familiar locations slapped onto an entirely new map of the zone

[rotund saddle]

like what events

[late condor]

Like Krug antenna complex which was infested with bloodsuckers in CoP is now kilometers away from Skadovsk, meaning it could not have been a threat to its members, Brain Scorcher is now located on the east of the Zone instead of on the north and is not blocking way to Pripyat anymore, and Pripyat is now located in a way where Limansk could not have been an alt way to CNPP, and many more

I think changing the geography in an established world is already a spit in the face of the fans but changing it in a way where that retcon just defies the logic of past games is even worse.

[rotund saddle]

yeah but the geography is now real life correct?

[late condor]

Not really, real life does not have Cordon, Rostok and many other signature stalker locations. Dark valley factory is on the west of Ukraine and Red Forest Forester building is in Germany.

S2 still has all of those locations made up for the game, just that stuff like Pripyat and other real places are more accurately located

But I think it’s insensitive to make changes this significant with the fourth franchise entry. Do a reboot if you want to set the game in a real world geography.

[rotund saddle]

So does S2 reference events from past games like the brain scorcher?

and how it was in the way of CNPP?

[late condor]

It has the scorcher so the implication is that you visit the familiar location but I don’t remember any text mentions. Not sure if they are needed considering you can just look at the map and see for yourself.

Krug thing and Degtyarev clearing it is mentioned, despite no longer being possible on the new map xD

[rotund saddle]

lol

[torn falcon]

That didn't bother me at all. I appreciated how huge and seamless the new map was . I do want to go to the CNPP tho

[ripe storm]

why theres lot of cookies here?

[karmic horizon]

You don't actually have to murder any of them. I would find them and just hang out with them, until we were attacked by mutants, military or bandits and then I would get credit for their death.

[rotund saddle]

so they didn't survive 24 hour in-game hours?

[karmic horizon]

Pretty much this would automatically get triggered, when passing through Garbage going in either direction. It helped me with free ammo from looting and weapons to sell for money.

[rotund saddle]

how much money did you end up with?

[karmic horizon]

I guess I should have included the screenshot showing my money. Here's one from the video of the same.

[rotund saddle]

can you link the video?

[karmic horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb3dnwOSfAY

[rotund saddle]

but the video is from 9 years ago, I thought you did this recently

[karmic horizon]

I'm playing Stalker 2 right now. The screenshots just appeared in my FB memories yesterday, so I thought I would share it here.

[karmic horizon]

Apparently about 876 hours. 365 days x 24 hours = 8,760. 1 hour of real time is 10 hours in game, so 8,760 hours divide by 10 = 876 hours of real time.

[rotund saddle]

@karmic horizon have you ever encountered enemies in Rostok? I mean the Bar/Duty area

[karmic horizon]

Yes, especially since I know how to make that happen.

[rotund saddle]

how to make that happen?

[karmic horizon]

It depends. What enemy do you want?

[rotund saddle]

Bloodsuckers

[karmic horizon]

I thought you meant a Faction.

You can do mutants too.

It's just harder.

[rotund saddle]

make it a faction then

[karmic horizon]

You only get two choices. Mercs or Military. Military is easier. After you do X-19 and wipe out all the Military leaving, don't go to Pripyat. Instead rush back to Rostok as quickly as possible and wait. The Military respawns coming from the south, will be passing through Rostok. Normally they would be off-line and you would never see them but being in Rostok forces them to go online. However, you can't kill them without violating Duty's rules. You would have to depend on others to kill them.

[rotund saddle]

I saw 2 mercs walk into Rostok from Wild Territory and get shot by Duty

[karmic horizon]

After the Mercs attack the Rookie Village, where Fanatic gives you the job, there are about 3 days where you will randomly run into Mercs in the Cordon, Garbage and sometimes Rostok. It's really random where they appear so you have to travel a lot in the southern Zone to run into them. After 3 days it stops. You can also wipe out the Mercs in the WT and AW, and sometimes catch the respawns passing through northern Rostok, but it's more difficult, as you are forcing them to go online.

[rotund saddle]

I mean from Army Warehouses*

[karmic horizon]

Most NPCs and mutants travel around Rostok on the green dotted line, that's why they are so rare to catch there. However you can go outside the red area (player only area) to meet them.

[rotund saddle]

I did the Rookie Village defense quest but rookies instead of hiding just stood there, when Mercs came they weren't hiding at all so the shootout started already at the outskirts of the village. Once I killed every Merc only then they got in their hiding spots and now they are permanently hiding.

[karmic horizon]

Yes, it happened to me one game, where the RV Loners never got out of their hiding mode. Tolik was in the basement for the rest of the game.

If you wipe out all the Mercs in the AW, you can meet their respawns coming back into the AW, in the WT, Rostok and it's Twilight Zone (those areas of the game where the Player doesn't get to go).

[rotund saddle]

any way to fix it?

[karmic horizon]

Not that I'm aware of. I didn't really try, as it made it easier to get the Military to attack the RV and the Loners were ready for an attack.

[rotund saddle]

the military from the outpost?

[karmic horizon]

This is why SoC is the best game of the trilogy. It's the only one where respawns travel through multiple levels to get to their destination. For example, if you kill all the Military and/or bandits in the Cordon, you can expect their respawns to travel from Garbage into the Cordon at the Northern Checkpoint. You can then pick any location in the Cordon to ambush them by making them go from off-line to online by your presence. Being able to do that gives you so much variety for gunfights, making it different every time.

[whole geyser]

I didn't realize it was this in depth

[karmic horizon]

You would be amazed at what you can get SoC to do for you without Mods.

[whole geyser]

I really need to do a pure vanilla run

[granite jungle]

It's a very special game. Still my favorite in the series

[rotund saddle]

I killed all military in the cordon, does that mean now they will spawn over at Garbage?

[karmic horizon]

Mercs I killed that were respawns for the AW. It's white because once December hit, I added a tiny snow mod that did not change the game play.

[karmic horizon]

They come from the Agroprom, travel through Garbage to get to the Cordon.

NPCs seem to travel slightly faster in off-line mode than online. Not a whole lot faster but a little.

[rotund saddle]

what if I kill all military in Agroprom?

[karmic horizon]

The Military will use the Electro tunnel to go south in the Cordon. Off-line mode that are unharmed. Make them go online as they pass through the tunnel, they get electrocuted.

[karmic horizon]

They come from Garbage, just like the Bandits, if you remain in the Agroprom.

[rotund saddle]

so it's a whack-a-mole game?

[karmic horizon]

It can be somewhat. It sure beats CS & CoP, where it is more spawn-on-demand to the various locations.

This principal works for Yantar too. Kill all the zombies, snorks and Controller and the respawns have to travel to get there. You can meet them at the entrance.

[whole geyser]

Man damn I'm learning so much haha

I think I take back clear sky being the best

[rotund saddle]

zombies in exos?

@karmic horizon btw is there a way to jump through the fence around Cordon?

[torn falcon]

Can't believe I'm asking but is there no artifact detector in ShOC? I havent played in so long but I'm headed to yantar with no detector

[charred prism]

there is no mechanic for such in SOC

[mental sparrow]

No they just spawn on the ground

or in boxes

[torn falcon]

Dude I remember reading your Yantar logs back in like 2007/8 testing the A-Life there on the GSC forums.

[mental sparrow]

super easy to farm. once you get good rad protection you can just do loops around Garbage

[torn falcon]

In hindsight, my respect for clear sky is growing. I remember thinking it felt too "shooter-ey" on release but it added some good mechanics and crazy gfx

[mental sparrow]

I used to feel the same. now my only real complaint is that the atmosphere is a little too lighthearted and on the corny side, imo.
Like the faction base and combat music specifically are a little much.

But gameplay wise its great.

[karmic horizon]

No. About half the levels in SoC, don't have ways (that I have found) to get into the non-player areas. The Cordon is one of them.

[karmic horizon]

No artifact detector is needed since all artifacts are visible without one.

[karmic horizon]

Yep. 17 years has passed in the blink of an eye.

[karmic horizon]

You can disable the combat music in the game menu. Originally it played by default in Clear Sky in 2008, but so many people complained, it became a toggle through a patch.

[torn falcon]

i havent got to that point on my new playthrough but all of the faction wars/a-life just seems tedious. too much going on.

from the start, there was always the original STALKER experience, and then what the players tried to add to it. more freedom, weapons, missions etc. it always seems like GSC was tryign to listen to this and incorporate it but always felt a little short. Clear Sky had more action, but perhaps too much. COP had more open world, but it was sort of empty. Honestly i was pleased with STALKER 2, where the "original" formula felt the same, but with better GFX and just a LOT more of it.

[late condor]

You are not a lore person I guess. For me a coherent world is important, and stalker 2 ruined that.

[late condor]

a lot more of it

The game has like 20 side quests outside main storyline lol, it’s a huge empty world. By the time you leave Lesser Zone you’ve seen a fifth of game’s side content.

[rotund saddle]

I thought Stalker 2 is empty

[zealous lantern]

what's the mod name?

[mental sparrow]

What about stalker 2 makes the world incoherent?

I never thought that the original map locations were supposed to be literal, as we don’t see all the space between them. I was under the impression that things like the Brain scorcher were in the way of the safe paths made by guides, rather than being directly connected

[whole geyser]

It retcons alot of things in the trilogy

I haven't looked into it as I don't wanna spoil it but from users and mods who played they say some events are different

[mental sparrow]

Doesn’t every one of the games do a retcon though? Like scar isn’t there to shoot at you in SOC, and neither are clear sky, or the artifact detectors

[whole geyser]

These are like major retcons

@naive hollow Ayo maybe you can help with the retcon changes

[mental sparrow]

An entire chase sequence that you never play in the original game is a major retcon. Half of STALKER’s worldbuilding was unfinished anyways

[whole geyser]

Stalker 2 is essentially a reboot

Major plot things didn't happen/changed dramatically

[mental sparrow]

One can always just play the originals and ignore it

[vocal crest]

Clear Sky happens before soc

[granite jungle]

I guess the way I think about it is that most of the same events happened in the timeline of S2, but some of them have happened in a different way to how they played out in the original games

[mental sparrow]

Yeah right, that was a stupid example on my part

[vocal crest]

the silly

[whole geyser]

If you're curious about the retcons I'd ask in #☢┃stalker-general as I have been trying to avoid spoilers

[mental sparrow]

I still think that the trilogy was vague enough that STALKER 2 doesn’t bother me. The original wasn’t “realistic” or a melodrama, so it could never be the same to begin with.

Try imagining all the corny writing from Clear Sky in S2, it just doesn’t quite fit. I personally thought that it being STALKER 2 instead of a spin-off made it clear what kind of game it was going to be

[vocal crest]

i dream that one day I can have a pc which can run stalker 2 so I dont have to avoid everything stalker related in fear of spoilers

[granite jungle]

There are a few retcons that did bother me some, but for the most part I just engaged with the new game on its own terms

[late condor]

??? SoC is a different time period than CS, you’re observing different trips to the center lol.

Artifact detectors are explained in CS dialogues as blowout changed their properties.

[late condor]

It is not about direct connection. New brain scorcher position’s closest locations are Yantar and Red Forest which were not under psi emissions in past games and locations that were actually blocked off because of brain scorcher before are on separate ends of the map, Zaton being the worst offender but none of them making any sense anymore.

[late condor]

Everything. Try to draw any path of side quest or existing character on the new game map and none of it will make sense.

#⭐┃trilogy-general message

[late condor]

Brother idk how to discuss this with you if you are missing plot points that big. CS is set in 2011. You find aftermath of CS events in SoC, with Ghost mentioning “a merc with a scar” in Strelok’s hideout stash. It’s a prequel, not SoC’s story from a different angle.

The world had some minor inconsistencies, not gonna argue about that but none were ever of S2 sheer scale and importance.

[naive hollow]

Not really, I haven't played the game, but yeah, I did notice retcons. Didn't really remember nor did I write it down

[stone fiber]

Америка сильна, мои Сталкеры

[karmic horizon]

Winter Mod (2007)

[stone fiber]

@everyone y'all wanna watch Stalker (1979)?

[mental sparrow]

Yeah my mention of scar was really stupid, disregard it as such.

This scarred merc is not Scar, he was allegedly planned to be, but the mystery merc is not Scar.

I’m not a Stalker lore expert so I could very well be missing things. I quite like Stalker 2, I’m sorry that it has disappointed you.
As a Halo and Star Wars fan I know what it’s like to see a world you love be overwritten

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-25913914

[finite yew]

I noticed that when I was playing. I was sneaking up to a camp at night, wasn't seen OR heard. But once I got within a certain range, battle music started, basically. I wasn't even in combat.
That broke the whole feeling of stealthily moving around all quiet like. So I turned it off straight away. Couldn't understand why it was even there, it just takes away from every engagement and changes the atmosphere of the game

[rotund saddle]

I thought we were talking about the bandit meme radio

[torpid rapids]

why is every single enemy after turning off brain scorcher killing me in 1-2 shots, and shooting me through walls? this is unplayable now, i can't escape the lab

[late condor]

You can always lower difficulty if you feel the game is too hard for you, what’s your suit and what’s its condition?

[torpid rapids]

i lowered it to novice and im getting 1-2 shot, the enemy ai is really aggressive, suit is in bad condition

[granite jungle]

You can always return to AW/Rostok after turning off the scorcher to restock and rearm if needed

At least until you exit Pripyat for CNPP

[torpid rapids]

actually my suit is completely broken

but it doesnt matter because enemies take a full clip to kill

i can't run away from them either. i think im going to have to quit the game completely and just watch a playthrough on YT

[whole geyser]

aim for the head

dont give up you're so close

[torpid rapids]

also my weapon jams every 5 seconds now

it NEVER did that before i turned off the scorcher

i think what i can do is download a save file from someone else in the lab

since i really don't care about my progress, im just interested in the story

[rotund saddle]

what gun do you have? go for headshots only

if your weapon jams, there should be plenty of weapons from dead enemies lying around

[mental sparrow]

Headshots. Veteran NPCs don’t mess around

You also need to prioritize headshots yourself. Save after each kill

[whole geyser]

Fr monolith on master diff are no joke

God the IL86 was ass to use up north

[torpid rapids]

i was playing on the xbox, so their AI was too fast for me to react with a controller. i downloaded the game on steam, downloaded a save from the lab. he had the same AR as me, but had 50x medkits and looks like an exo suit. anyway, i headshotted everyone easily with the mouse and now im in pripyat.

im not playing clear sky and CoP on xbox. i learned my lesson

[late condor]

Pc editions are way better than console ports anyway

You can actually hold a grenade before throwing, no cringe UI and no censorship

Have fun and if you have a chance go for CS and CoP with legacy editions as well.

[torpid rapids]

and for whatever reason, they force depth of field when aiming on xbox

[late condor]

That’s new huh, might be something from October patch. It’s a back ported feature, it always existed in CS and CoP but guess they put it into SoC as well.

[mental sparrow]

That makes sense. I was curious about how the combat was balanced on console, sounds like what I expected

[rotund saddle]

@karmic horizon do you study the game's source code or is all your knowledge based on experience?

[late condor]

He just played a shit ton

He’s also a bigger ZRP hater than I am lol these two guys had literal fights on old GSC forums

[rotund saddle]

is the ZRP creator still active in the community?

[late condor]

Yeah he’s active on Reddit, https://reddit.com/u/NatVak. He knows a lot about the game even if many of his fixes are controversial, I tend to ask him technical questions about how certain things work or why certain things happen.

[rotund saddle]

did he ever answer why did he decide his arbitrary changes like 3 day quest time limit were good?

[late condor]

Things like 3 days quest stuff is optional so you can easily go back to vanilla values with the configuration patch, he explained his initial reasoning behind some of the changes in the text and admitted most of them are unnecessary but but I do not know whether he went back to vanilla values

[rotund saddle]

yeah but no one playing SoC for the first with ZRP is not gonna do that so it's a moot point

[karmic horizon]

Experience. Time spent. Paying attention. Noticing things like cause and effect.

[torpid rapids]

i finally finished the game, even though NPP was the most gruesome tedious thing ever. Can somebody tell me if Im correct:

||- C-C seem to be trying to reverse their mistake (the zone / the crack in the noosphere) but outside interference is hindering them (hence mind controlling them, tricking them with wish granter trap, etc.)

• humanoid mutants like bloodsuckers and poltergeists are experiments made in one of many labs that escaped before or after the zone

• wish granter is a mind control machine, created by the C-C to trick and ultimately kill or cripple those who reach it

• I dont really understand the noosphere. can it be described as an invisible field of energy linked to the minds of all of the living beings on earth, both directly affecting each other. if it is invisible through normal scientific instruments, is it just something existing in a higher dimension? it's the only way i can understand how it can form anomalies like the whirliwig that defy the laws of physics, or artifacts that give you power.||

[torpid rapids]

Also, is the lore of the first game further explained if I play clear sky and pripyat. it doesnt seem like they give you all the pieces of the lore in this game

[torn falcon]

playing vanilla. i keep getting this "line-ey" texture that flickers when i move on various surfaces. any idea how to remove this?

screens #📸┃trilogy-screenshots message

[torn falcon]

About to head to brain scorcher. Should I buy exoskeleton? Or wait?

[pale nebula]

In my opinion, you shouldn't buy suits in Shadow of Chernobyl. There are plenty of them scattered around that you can find without even trying too hard. There are two Monolith suits in Red Forest, where the Brain Scorcher is. They will serve you well there. In Pripyat, in Strelok's stash that you have to find (hopefully, you've talked to Doc in Agroprom underground), you'll find a SKAT9 suit, which has the second best armor rating in the game. That one will easily carry you through Pripyat and the outside of CNPP, before entering the Sarcophagus. Pripyat is quite straightforward and short. Lingering around won't give you much in return and will just degrade your weapons and armor. If you found Fang's stash coordinates, you'll find an Exoskeleton with second generation nightvision in Pripyat, which is very helpful in the Sarcophagus level, as that one is very dark. If you didn't get the coordinates and you still have the SSP-99M suit from Shakarov, use that one in Sarcophagus because it also has 2nd gen nightvision, and that one is a game changer in that dark level. You'll find two exoskeletons in the Sarcophagus if you look carefully around the rooms. Once you're back outside, on the roofs of the buildings around the CNPP, you'll find two more exoskeletons and at least one more SKAT9 suit. Long story short, don't buy suits from traders. Buy armor piercing ammo and a good assault rifle, like the GP37, for example, if you have the money.

[torn falcon]

Excellent reply, thank you. I ended up getting the seva suit from the find the family rifle mission and will use that until I get an exo in Pripyat.

Long time since I played this game but I assumed you could just find an exo somewhere. Haven't played this vanilla since probably 2008. I don't keep bringing that up as a brag, I'm just having a lot of fun with it and am surprised by how well it holds up.

I remember the gunplay feeling clunkier but I think that's more true of the early game.

[pale nebula]

SEVA also has 2nd gen nightvision, so if you have another suit to spare until Sarcophagus, keep the SEVA for that level. It's really dark and the Monolithians are not so easy to spot in dark corridors.

[pale nebula]

Clear Sky is a prequel and gives good insight to the Zone in general and Strelok's motives, while Call of Pripyat is a sequel that expands the story of Shadow of Chernobyl, with plenty of more details.

[torn falcon]

Is there really anything to spend money on in ShOC? I racked up about 250k. The weapons you can just find in good condition and apparently suits too

[pale nebula]

AP ammo to make your life easier when you start fighting Monolithians and basically different weapons to have as back-up and to experiment.

[pale nebula]

Also, make sure to grab a Gauss rifle from one of the Monolith soldiers you kill in the Sarcophagus or the Monolith Control Center. It will serve you well when you get to the final section, on the CNPP rooftops. Theoretically, you could get one in Pripyat, but snipers with Guass rifles are placed on high buildings and the weapon is not guaranteed to drop from up there. Even if it does, the impact will typically cause significant damage to the gun. Another thing to consider when you leave the Brain Scorcher and move on to Pripyat is to have a weapon with a scope. Enemies are usually at a distance and often hidden behind windows.

[rotund saddle]

how many entries do you have under "Render" in the options menu?

[late condor]

1. We don’t know if C-Con rep is telling the truth or not. The whole choice of whether you join or destroy them is essentially a choice on player’s side on whether you believe they’re actually going to fix this.
2. We do not know for sure but that is the common consensus. Labs certainly experimented on animals and people and created mutants, but which mutants are results of experiments and which are natural Zone mutations is mostly up to interpretation.
3. Not a mind control machine but psy emitter, it literally fries your brain and turns you into a zombie.
4. It’s not an energy field at all it’s an informational field. It’s a real theoretical concept btw you can look it up, it’s not purely a part of the game’s lore.

[late condor]

They are explained in bits and pieces. The trilogy never gives you a complete picture and leaves many areas up to interpretation.

[late condor]

Can you send your appdata/user.ltx from game’s folder?

[torn falcon]

3. static, options, FDR

[rotund saddle]

change it to the middle one

[late condor]

It’s a user.ltx issue, not a settings one.

[torn falcon]

i'll DM you the ltx

[rotund saddle]

what's the issue exactly?

[late condor]

Should be one of the sun console command settings having a wrong value, most shadow artifacts are a result of that.

Though weirdly I can't replicate it with this dude's user.ltx, hm.

[rotund saddle]

I don't understand why does Barman give out rewards for defending the Depot in the Garbage?

[graceful horizon]

Someone's got to

[torpid rapids]

Thanks. ||So it's an informational field that if manipulated can potentially manipulate the minds of all living things on Earth. What I don't understand is how they manipulated it and it created a "crack" (whatever the hell that means) and all these anomalies and emissions/blowouts come out of that crack if it's just an informational field and not something physical in spacetime. But I assume this is something they don't explain.|| Anyway, I'm going to start Clear Sky now on PC.

[autumn steppe]

is there a mod for shadow of chernobyl for consistency purposes that changes the ingame weapons textures to those found in the sequels? it feels wrong that the pb and makaron look modern but then look older in the sequels

[rotund saddle]

Sakharov asked me to bring him a snork's body part, problem is snorks don't drop anything even with the quest.

[rotund saddle]

ok, snorks started dropping parts after I failed the quest, great lol

[rotund saddle]

@karmic horizon have you ever done a "no flashlight" run?

wait, so the timer in x16 resets on save load?

[late condor]

It resets if you leave the psy area and come back, quite easy to cheese

[late condor]

20% chance, whether you have a quest or not is irrelevant

[rotund saddle]

wtf, I thought it doesn't appear without a quest

[late condor]

Some body parts (e.g. blind dog tails) have no associated quest yet they appear on mutants. :P

[rotund saddle]

what about flesh's eye?

[wanton pecan]

Doesn't barkeep offer a flesh eye job?

[rotund saddle]

Flesh eyejob

[late condor]

Barkeep and Sakharov

To open some quests you need to complete previous ones, there are never two quests of the same type offered by same questgiver at the same time

For that reason you won't get auto-quests if you have a quest from that quest giver already provided they're the same type

e.g. if you have a quest to kill stalker novice or trade rep when you first arrive at garbage you won't get a quest to kill bandit leader Vasya Boar

[rotund saddle]

I mean if fleshes drop eyes without a quest

[granite jungle]

Yeah they will

[late condor]

yes

[rotund saddle]

🤯

[rotund saddle]

that's already better than Stalker 2!

[late condor]

in one of many ways yes

[rotund saddle]

I think this is what they got ass-backward in SoC. It should be that unique armors are only available to buy while regular armors can be just lying around.

As it is there is no point in saving up for an armor.

[granite jungle]

No money is kinda pointless in SoC if you know what you are doing at all

I guess that is one more reason for them to have added repairs and upgrades in later games

[torn falcon]

just got to pripyat. i remember playing this for the first time in 2007. i did not prepare well and by the time i got to the CNPP, my suit was shredded and i had no like no ammo, meds, or anti rads

it's a real journey once you leave rostok for the red forest and then onto pripyat and cnpp. feels much more significant than anything in COP

[late condor]

Soc has different game design behind it. You are supposed to change guns and suits instead of repairing them.

[granite jungle]

Yeah. It's just that without the money sink you just end up accumulating it and never having to spend it. Your weapons and armor will degrade, but you will find upgrades before that happens

That said I don't really mind it. I guess it leaves the option to buy weapons or supplies if you miss them in the world.

[late condor]

I think the issue is more with how suits are all around the map and you never have to buy one than with uniques in particular

[torn falcon]

yeah i wouldn't mind having that Fang Stash exo to save up for. i have all this money and nothing to spend it on

[late condor]

Nah I don’t refer to uniques, just suits in general

Eg Sid has a merc suit for cheaper price than after you do the vehicle station quest. Implying you can save up a bit and buy it for 12K instead of 24K if you gather that much money before the first quest

The problem? Free merc suit in rookie village. 0 incentive to buy it if you played the game before.

This works with tunder 5.45 but the suits are too widespread, they are everywhere

That being said, there was a dude in this channel who managed to fully break his and get stuck in X10 so I guess I understand what’s the mentality behind it

[rotund saddle]

why the hell is it more expensive after the vehicle station quest?

[late condor]

So that you have incentive to get money for it in early game. Same reason why Tunder 5.45 is unavailable after that quest

[rotund saddle]

but it's literally the first quest in the game, it's the first thing all players do

btw ammo on the tower over at vehicle cemetery at Garbage has 9x19 PB1s ammo in vanilla, I think in ZRP it's changed to 9x18

[late condor]

Weird af change lol

[late condor]

Yeah that’s why it’s sort of a secret I guess. If you go out of your way to farm that much money before finishing first quest you can get the best gun for foreseeable future.

And you could get a cheap suit as well, if only that suit was not given to you for free 20 meters further.

[rotund saddle]

with no ammo for it

[rotund saddle]

I saved right before the dream sequence. I died after the dream sequence, loaded the save and suddenly got 4 minutes again.

[late condor]

5.45 is easy to come by with all the army in cordon and Agroprom

[rotund saddle]

oh, it's the special variant that uses AK ammo

[quartz cape]

Mercs have it too sometimes

[rotund saddle]

where to get more grenades for the grenade launcher?

[late condor]

Yeah but by the time you get to Bar you can get a free one from Barin by giving him an arena AKM

[quartz cape]

Oh btw my SoC run is even more difficult now because I attacked freedom too early with skull and it was a complete disaster.....
Now when i was supposed to help the anarchists against the monolith i couldn't because yknow... I attacked frees a bit early. but it was kind of easy?
Yea i didn't fight the monolith which is more difficult.
And I had exoskeletons and best guns of the game so yea i surpassed them.

[quartz cape]

I got the special tunder but the ammo is too expensive.
Yea I'm also a cheapskate in games lol so i sold it

Wait no

It wasn't that...

Yea it wasn't a tunder it was a obokan

I got it from some bandits

[graceful horizon]

You sold the storming obokan?

[pale nebula]

The Fast Shooting AKM is a very good gun and can last until and included Red Forest, if you are not trigger happy and control your shots. Even so, the accuracy will drop noticeably at a distance once the bar reaches three quarters. In close quarters, though, it still melts enemies.

[late condor]

I found a way to repair just this week lol

Can only do it twice consistently though

[pale nebula]

The weapon? I thought you could only repair suits in certain anomalies.

[late condor]

You can repair weapons by giving them to NPCs and then killing or injuring them, latter giving guns in better condition

[pale nebula]

That's very cruel, dude. 🙂

[late condor]

Not all NPCs will accept it, you either need to find NPC with just a pistol or with same caliber gun but worse rank

However they won’t pick up that particular gun cause it’s marked not useful for NPC

So you can sell it to Skinflint/Petrenko and then kill them to get the gun back

[pale nebula]

Since they are traders themselves, can't you buy it back from them but in pristine condition?

Killing Skinflint or Petrenko will, most likely, turn the whole Freedom or Duty base against you, so the weapon will degrade immediately.

[rotund saddle]

no way it can last until Red Forest, I already had it at 80% before even reaching Yantar and it was jamming a lot

[rotund saddle]

that doesn't repair the weapon

[rotund saddle]

you can use an exploding barrel to bypass that

[rotund saddle]

also you can buy GP-37 after lab x16, you'd have to hate yourself to not wanna use GP-37 😄

[pale nebula]

I used it from Agroprom Undeground to Red Forest and Brain Scorcher mission. I only shoot in very short bursts. It held up very well. I also had a SGI-5k and a Dragunov for those long shots. Barkeep just didn't have a GP-37 in his inventory on my last run, for whatever reason, so I only managed to find one in lab X19 and used it up until the Sarcophagus, when I got the FT200M.

I'm not bullshitting. The Fast Shooting AKM carried me for more than half of the game on my last playthrough. Yeah, if you go full auto with it, it will become unusable quickly.

[rotund saddle]

well, it is fast shooting AKM 😄

[pale nebula]

Yeah, but it's only worth shooting fast in close quarters, anyway.

[pale nebula]

Usually, the GP-37 is my go-to weapon after Yantar, but I simply got very unlucky with Barkeep's trading options this time around.

[rotund saddle]

yeah, he had it immediately after I got back from the Yantar lab

that and the best armor, but I still need 20k more to buy it

[pale nebula]

I was constantly hunting for the GP-37 after Yantar, hoping it will drop from some dead Freedom members or Monolithians that are stationed right near the Red Forest gateway. I only managed to find it in Lab X19. I bought the SGI-5K, but it sucks you can't attach a SUSAT scope to it.

[pale nebula]

Which is? The Exoskeleton or the SKAT-9M?

[rotund saddle]

he has both, but I'm planning to get SKAT this time, I'm tired of not being able to sprint in exo

[rotund saddle]

you can get an SGI with a scope from the guards at the freedom entrance base, just need to kill them with an explosive barrel

[pale nebula]

I know, but I tend to avoid unnecessary killings. Personal choice.

[pale nebula]

The Exoskeleton only truly shines from Sarcophagus up until the very end. You don't need to run there, anyway.

[timber ravine]

Your guns work better on Master difficulty

[rotund saddle]

lmao yeah that's true, except maybe on the rooftops at the end where you have to run from teleport to teleport

[rotund saddle]

this was debunked

[timber ravine]

Makarov shoot better on Master

[pale nebula]

Fang's Exoskeleton has 2nd nightvision device, which is very, very helpul during the Sarcophagus and Monolith Control Center levels. Sadly, the dead loner body in the tunnels below X16 didn't provide the coordinates on my last playthrough and there were no more dead loners to be found in Yantar for a long while, so I abandoned the idea.

[pale nebula]

This was an urban myth. Here, for reference:

https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/7fxvt5/what_do_difficulties_actually_change_in_stalker/

[timber ravine]

I know :(

I lie to myself to make the first couple of hours bearable when I replay SoC

[rotund saddle]

really? I haven't used night vision on my first playthrough because I didn't know there even was one, once I tried it I realized how bad it is, they only fixed it later in CS

[torn falcon]

So inaccurate for me

[pale nebula]

That's because the normal Exoskeleton and the SKAT-9M have 1st generation, which is green and very blurry.

Fang's Exoskeleton, SEVA and SSP-9M suit have 2nd generation nightvision, which is blue and very clear.

That's why I keep the SSP-9M suit for the Sarcophagus level in case I can't find Fang's Exoskeleton.

[pale nebula]

You probably abused it.

[rotund saddle]

I don't mind green and blurry, I mind how it doesn't even make dark things lighter lol

[rotund saddle]

then again, SoC doesn't really have 100% dark areas except for labs

[pale nebula]

I know. If you can't find Fang's Exo, just keep a SEVA or a SSP-9M for Sarcophagus. Yes, no 100% pitch black, but being able to see the Monolithians with Gauss guns in the Sarcophagus before they shred you does help...

[rotund saddle]

I have SSP-9M

I'm going to x18 to check how it works

[pale nebula]

You'll like it.

[torn falcon]

How far down does the meter half to go before you can't hit the broad side of a barn? I don't think I took it below 80%

[pale nebula]

Man, I don't do real life tests like that. The point is, with a PSO scope, I was still popping heads reliably at no more than 100 m. At long range, just find a SVD.

[rotund saddle]

I checked it and yeah, it's alright

[graceful horizon]

Any loner corpse in Yantar can give Fang's stash. So the loners at the bonfire near the bus after you're done in Yantar can provide it as well

[pale nebula]

I've read about it, but I couldn't find it. I even killed one or two who were, for some reason, rolling in some Duty squads, but the stash coordinates didn't show up. I think the mistake I made is that I didn't check the loner corpse you run into the moment you're getting out of X16, so I had to go back and check, but it didn't provide the coordinates.

[graceful horizon]

It's not common, no. But you can get it by savescumming. Save before looting a corpse and reload till it drops the stash you want

[pale nebula]

I did that too for 10 or 12 times, but afterwards I stopped since I was afraid not to botch my game. Paranoia, probably.

[rotund saddle]

that seems extremely tedious

[graceful horizon]

Hmm, never had savescumming foul up my entire game. But samplesize 1 ofcourse

[graceful horizon]

Yeah I specialize in cruel and unusual work-arounds.

I'm about the question "Is it possible?", not "Is it practical?(or even remotely sensible)"

[pale nebula]

Is it possible to beat the game without any armor, only with the PMm, on Master difficulty, without speedrunning? Yes. Is it practical? Who cares?!

[graceful horizon]

Kira does it with only the knife, so yes

[rotund saddle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-tq6jO6nU

[pale nebula]

Nah, it doesn't count. He used suits. Just kidding. Torture 101.

[pale nebula]

@rotund saddle, #📸┃trilogy-screenshots message

[rotund saddle]

why is Wild Territory always full of enemies, ffs

you can only explore it once, after that EVERYTHING spawns again but more

[autumn steppe]

raise a shot of vodka (or two) to lyova vacuum. he was murdered in cold blood by several highly armed bandits. at the base several loners with the help of the marked one cleared out hours earlier

[trail ice]

"What are you, deaf? What are you here?"

[late condor]

Nope, they won’t sell what they have equipped

And besides only death or injury does the repair, not the weapon being in NPCs inventory

[rotund saddle]

that's a funny sentence

[late condor]

That’s stalker for ya

[graceful horizon]

There is a bug/exploit where zombified stalkers can repair weapons

Or so I've read, haven't tried it yet

[late condor]

Any NPCs can, not just zombified

[graceful horizon]

Ah right, zombified are just conveniently easy to incapacitate

[late condor]

Yes but some weapons, such as Fast-shooting AKM, won't be picked up by NPCs naturally so you have to sell it to them.

Which limits your options as zombified are no longer a possible way to do it.

[graceful horizon]

Sell weapons? Are unique weapons exempt from the general rule?

[late condor]

No, which is why you have only 2 guaranteed options (Skinflint and Petrenko) and any NPC that happens to be bugged with his trade restrictions disabled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ro9XWpC5M

which can happen naturally (although very rare)

[rotund saddle]

sell weapon to a zombie? 😄

[late condor]

But there are also guaranteed ways to force them into that panic state as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8A_dI5pMXA

[late condor]

the very next sentence man, come on

[rotund saddle]

LOL

this is hilarious

so it's enough I shoot at a wall?

[late condor]

per author's comment:

you approach unnoticed and talk (but not with everyone), if they are aggroed on the main character - then the conversation will not work... it is easier with those who do not have a flashlight and if they are in the dark

[rotund saddle]

gonna try this later

does it only work on enemy NPCs?

[late condor]

yes

[late condor]

you need to copy his movements with stealth jumping, otherwise they will hear your steps

but yeah this' dude's channel is something else, he managed to unlock Duty base before X16

https://youtu.be/BXCnVOHVYIk

[rotund saddle]

I thought you can unlock it at the start of the game with the knife, it's what speedrunners do

[rotund saddle]

yeah I watched a stealth tutorial earlier 👍

[late condor]

I meant to going to Bar but specifically the Voronin bunker

[rotund saddle]

ah ok

[late condor]

In this vid he later also forces the trade restriction lifting by aggroing a loner without aggroing dutiers and then reloading a save while those dutiers are in a panic state.

[pale nebula]

The Monolith expert was angry at you for selling him a SPSA and a Walker. 😄

[karmic horizon]

Best suit in Shadow of Chernobyl:

[late condor]

Have you ever gotten a harmonica?

[karmic horizon]

Do you not see it in my inventory?

[mild kettle]

Hey I’m getting constant psi damage. It’s killing me and I’m out of blockers and meds wth do I do

[rotund saddle]

whaaat, how?

[whole geyser]

Fellow obokan enjoyer

[karmic horizon]

How what? Be more specific.

[rotund saddle]

is it the tourist suit?

[karmic horizon]

All the STATS of the Tourist Suit as shown, without artifacts applied.

[rotund saddle]

yeah, I got it from Sid recently

[rotund saddle]

but I sold it, where do you find mama's beads?

[karmic horizon]

Which of the 4 are you asking about?

[rotund saddle]

lol, get out of here stalker

can you drop them all on the floor?

[rotund saddle]

come on, do it

[whole geyser]

I see two artifacts there is only one of

[rotund saddle]

is it possible to move bodies with loot between locations?

specifically from wild territory to Bar

@late condor what are the rules for artifact spawns in SoC?

[rotund saddle]

you still can't sprint with 70 kilos of gear

[karmic horizon]

An Exo with the same 70kg limit can NEVER sprint no matter how small the load.

[rotund saddle]

at least it gives decent protection

[rotund saddle]

turns out SKAT armor isn't so great, 12 kgs is really too much

also crappy radiation protection it turns out

[late condor]

SSP-99M is my fav

[rotund saddle]

yeah now I realized it's the best, unfortunately I sold it 😭

now I'm reading the wiki if there's an other way to get it

[rotund saddle]

why does it say on the wiki that Beril armor costs 12 000 but when I try to buy one from Barkeep he wants 48 000?

[late condor]

1. Don’t rely on English wiki, machine translate the Russian one for more accurate info if you can
2. It does indeed cost 12K but barkeep offers it for 4x base price (as per this article fully listing Barkeep’s trade list: https://stalker.fandom.com/ru/wiki/Бармен/Торговля)

[rotund saddle]

I checked the Russian wiki, the cost was the same on it

[rotund saddle]

lol ok, I had no idea Barkeep sells the items at 4 times the price

[late condor]

Some items, yeah it’s color coded in trade pages which are more expensive compared to their base price

[rotund saddle]

is it possible to split ammo into chunks that are less than 10 rounds? because when I sell it seems like the price for 3 bullets is the same as for 10 bullets

[late condor]

Yes it is possible by reloading and putting excess ammo into container but it’s not worth your time investment xd

A single pack of ammo may have any number of bullets but it will always sell for full price

[rotund saddle]

sounds like it's THE way to get Tunder before the first mission

[late condor]

Raiding an army outpost and Kuznetsov squad and selling their AKMs feels faster to me.

[rotund saddle]

raiding it with a pistol?

[late condor]

I mean yeah

Can also sell the merc suit and bandit suit from elevator

It is certainly more fun than splitting ammo xd

[rotund saddle]

it's more fun to screw Sidor over

[pale nebula]

Just find the Healing Berill in Yantar. Very good suit for mid-game.

[rotund saddle]

I sold it because I damaged it

[pale nebula]

That means you still used it for a while. Naturally you'd sell it when its stats degrade too much.

It's interesting how, lore-wise, of course, Monolithians still shoot you on sight when you're wearing a Monolith suit. I know that's not how the game works, but it's a bit weird. Then again, wearing a Duty armor to Army Warehouses only to be gunned down be Freeedom would not go very well, so I understand the reasoning behind the first "issue".

[rotund saddle]

yeah the first time I played I thought I'm gonna get shot if I wear opposing faction's armor

this is what happens in Fallout 2, you can access certain places only in certain armor

[late condor]

If only it worked lol

Literally same as regular Berill (yes even if you use ZRP cause engine bug)

[stone fiber]

https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf here are some classified documents

[rotund saddle]

and what does it have to do with SoC?

[stone fiber]

pepsi

https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/1ccoii8/whats_the_origin_of_sergiy_grygorovych_and_pepsi/

is it canon?

[rotund saddle]

so what's the meme exactly?

[stone fiber]

isnt SoC a sequel to Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat?

[whole geyser]

Timeline goes CS > SOC > COP > HOC

[rotund saddle]

sooo... CSSOCCOPHOC

read that out loud

can be shortened to CHOCOPHOC

[tight vapor]

Yo I’m on Xbox and pretty frequently when I try to load soc it fully crashes/restarts my Xbox does anyone know how to fix that?

[late condor]

You can’t fix that yourself, report a bug in #1215013259740979320

[late condor]

I thought it’s “which game is better” and it honestly fit

[merry tendon]

what should I do with the rubles that I have

because I feel like ive been getting what I need naturaly from quest or loot

[graceful horizon]

Could buy an exoskeleton before going to red forest

[merry tendon]

will I be able to use it till the end?

or would it break somewhere along the way

[graceful horizon]

It'll last

[merry tendon]

cool

[stone fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-gif-18174868

[pale nebula]

There are plenty of other suits on the way, including multiple exoskeletons and military armored suits from Pripyat and onward.

If I were you, I'd buy at least two weapons in perfect condition. You'll need them.

[merry tendon]

noted.

[graceful horizon]

plus make sure you have visited guide in the cordon

[pale nebula]

Exactly. Fox, Mole, Guide and Doctor.

[torn falcon]

Was relying on memory and totally forgot all the stuff you have to do for the real endgame. Thankfully the gauze gun trick still works

[graceful horizon]

Been there

[stone fiber]

RIP Fox

[ripe storm]

Fly high,brother

[pale nebula]

He always dies to dogs in all of my games. Sometimes I come back from Agroprom and, if he's alive, I stay for a while and protect him, but he still dies later on. Guide is more durable, I think.

[stone fiber]

When I saw the grey dot I got upset

[rotund saddle]

I attacked Freedom's base with Skull and as it turns out it doesn't stop Freedom members from spawning. So now the base is still filled with Freedom guys except they all hate me, LOL! Is there any point in doing it this way? Seems like the drawbacks outweigh the benefits.

[rotund saddle]

do game saves get uploaded to Steam cloud so I can continue playing on a different computer without moving the saves manually?

[rotund saddle]

you joined Freedom?

[late condor]

The most beneficial playthrough is being friends to everyone but is it really the most fun one?

[rotund saddle]

yeah but I was expecting the Freedom base to either:

1. Stay empty
2. Get taken over by Duty
3. Be filled with zombies?

[rotund saddle]

yeah but having to constantly shoot someone isn't too fun, especially Freedom members with deadly GP-37s

btw. after bringing the upgraded M4 rifle to Voronin, all Duty members became green dots on the minimap, I don't think I had that in ZRP

do them being friendly even change anything in their behavior?

[late condor]

You do get better prices from Petrenko and regular squad numbers and they won’t be telling you to hide your gun most of the time and will gladly talk even when you have it

[rotund saddle]

what do you mean by "regular squad numbers"?

[late condor]

faction members, mb*, I mean when trading with random dutiers they will buy stuff for for more and sell stuff for less as well

[rotund saddle]

ah okay, I never do that tbh

@late condor btw what's the typical outcome of the Freedom vs. Skull's group battle when Freedomers go out and attack? In ZRP Dutyers lost the skirmish pretty quick, in vanilla it's the other way around - Freedomers die fast.

Can I shoot Dutyers if I want Freedom to win this one? Or will I be banned from Rostok?

[late condor]

You can but you will lose reputation, also if you kill any dutiers before quest in vanilla the quest won’t count cause a certain number of npcs need to die

So you can’t come there before freedomers and just kill everyone with barrels

Can’t say about the outcome, I’ve had both sides win without player interference on vanilla game

[rotund saddle]

idk, Petrenko's prices seem the same as Barman's

[rotund saddle]

@late condor Petrenko asked me to kill the stalker that's guarding the entrance to Freedom's base. Is the barrel method the only way to remain friendly with Freedom? In ZRP I just knifed him in the back and no one cared.

Now I shot him with a sniper rifle from a long distance but everyone turned hostile anyway. Will they return to neutral after a while?

[late condor]

barrel is guaranteed, though silenced weapons also do sometimes work but are unreliable

[late condor]

no they won't, you may try reloading and doing the same a couple times though

you may even do that with a knife until after a few dozen attempts stars align and nobody notices

[karmic horizon]

Yes, in one game. However I don't recommend it. While the Bandits and Mercs became neutral, Duty and Ecologists become enemies. When I got to the Wild Territory, Kruglov tried to kill me.

[rotund saddle]

this actually worked like the first time in ZRP lol

[late condor]

@naive hollow is that shit allowed

[grizzled rock]

carolyn_destruction has been warned

Reason: advertisement

[rotund saddle]

@late condor is there a way to check my current reputation level with the factions? like a number?

[late condor]

unfortunately no, but why do you think it would matter? If it's green it's green, the specific numbers only affect how much shit you can do to a faction before they're no longer green.

[graceful horizon]

figured it wouldn't be too far-fetched for some console commands to exist for that, but apparently not

[rotund saddle]

I want to get Sniper VLA but I have to kill 3 Freedomers to get it, on the wiki it says "player's reputation towards Freedom faction will fall harshly by 220. "

[graceful horizon]

if they're green, your rep can take the hit

and you can get it back up with a few missions for freedom

[rotund saddle]

do I gain reputation from the repeatable fetch quests?

[graceful horizon]

yes

[late condor]

b a r r e l s

your best friend

[graceful horizon]

no

[late condor]

and yeah you can hurt and get the rep back, you can get both freedom and duty green easily

[graceful horizon]

no no, rep hit from that mission comes from its completion, not just the killing of the dudes

[rotund saddle]

so barrels won't work?

[graceful horizon]

I've had them torn limb from limb by bloodsuckers and freedom still blamed me^^

[rotund saddle]

lol

[graceful horizon]

still, if they're green your rep can take the hit. but there's no dodging it to my knowledge

[late condor]

reward_relation = dolg, +225, freedom, -250

Yeah mb you're right

idk where en wiki got 220 from

[graceful horizon]

some place the sun don't shine; )

[rotund saddle]

Do headshots work on Controllers?

[graceful horizon]

they do more damage

i... think

[rotund saddle]

I need to check SVD on them, because they take too much ammo to take down.

[graceful horizon]

in SoC best tactic is to go point blank. they didn't get a melee attack till CS

[gilded canopy]

This game is awesome.

[whole geyser]

fr its one of my favorites

[gilded canopy]

Right?! Haven't enjoyed a game this much since Fallout new vegas dropped in like 2010.

The Chimeras though scare me. I have killed a total of I think 2 thus far?

[glacial wind]

Ah yes.

The CNPP. Aka the Monolith clown car technology development center.

I don't have the image perms for it but I had to kill around 8 or so exo wearers just to make it into a single room.

i remember when i came into pripyat with 520 VSS bullets and now i'm picking up whatever i can find

[granite jungle]

Classic soc finale experience

[glacial wind]

not having an actual sniper for the roof monoliths with gauss rifles and rpgs really hurt during the sprint to the power plant

well, sprint isn't the right wording. i couldn't run with my exo on

[grizzled rock]

carolyn_destruction has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stone fiber]

what am i not allowed to use? what did i say?

stupid?

[rotund saddle]

what game?

[gilded canopy]

Stalker 2.

[rotund saddle]

[glacial wind]

well i won't gatekeep you but this is the SoC channel

[gilded canopy]

Oh sorry.

[glacial wind]

No problem.

[rotund saddle]

@late condor RUwiki says to kill the guard at Freedom's gate (Twig) unnoticed you first have to kill the guy on the tower and then shoot the guard with a silenced weapon. I can't even kill the tower guard without everyone immediately turning hostile.

PS. I'm not gonna use explosive barrels.

[graceful horizon]

Wait, you're NOT going to roll barrels up several towers to take out snipers?

[late condor]

Just to have them disappear cause too far away xD

https://youtu.be/xZtBSEFTNn0

[rotund saddle]

@late condor So yeah, killing him at night just works. The same sniping spots/methods that didn't work during the day, work at night.

You can just come up behind him and knife him and no one will notice.

[rotund saddle]

wtf I found Wolf dead at Amy Winehouse

[charred prism]

many such cases

[glacial wind]

he either fell into the fire or got attacked by one of the usual mutant hordes that pass that area, either a bloodsucker or a band of boars

[rotund saddle]

there's a chance I killed him when I was doing a hit in the area for Barkeep lol

[graceful horizon]

I guess she didn't show him mercy

[rotund saddle]

should I give him a proper burial at the vortex anomaly?

[charred prism]

kill every freedomer and stack the corpses side by side like that one guy

[rotund saddle]

#📸┃trilogy-screenshots message

[rotund saddle]

huh? 😮

[charred prism]

like, a year ago we had a guy who physically dragged the corpses and weapons of the guys he killed and lined them up horizontally and took a photo of it
it was creepy, but funny ngl

[graceful horizon]

Day 15: Subject still hasen't confirmed or denied he said Amy Winehouse instead of army warehouse intentionally

[whole geyser]

Huh?? I didn't know he left rookie village

[whole geyser]

That guy is on a list somewhere lol

[rotund saddle]

you never met Fanatic at rookie village?

[late condor]

No asthat might unironically brick your saves xD

[whole geyser]

Oh I thought you said wolf

[late condor]

Not guaranteed but I wouldn’t risk it

[whole geyser]

It's been a long time since I played soc tbh

[rotund saddle]

yeah, Fanatic takes Wolf's place at the rookie village

[rotund saddle]

wtf why

[late condor]

When the game deletes a body it does not delete a reference to the minimap marker and that continues to live in your save without being attached to anything which may eventually lead to save corruption

And no, ZRP does not fix it as that’s an engine bug

It’s not something that is guaranteed to happen though

[rotund saddle]

ZRP doesn't fix engine bugs?

[glacial wind]

There's limits to what ZRP can do

[late condor]

Nah

Neither does SRP

I had my own project to fix some CS engine bugs: https://github.com/SurDno/xray-fixes

[valid jasper]

Replaying SOC and got to admit it's refreshing after HOC

HOC is a good game but it's no SOC

[rotund saddle]

I put Wolf's body into a vortex several times, some times it would delete the mini map marker, other times the map marker would remain

[late condor]

Insane how something made over a much bigger time period with a ready engine and a 10x larger team can fall so short to what GSC has been doing 15 years ago

[valid jasper]

It's just missing too much tbh

Nothing other than the lore and improved gunplay feels that different than any other action shooter out there

And even then I use lore loosely

[late condor]

The lore sucks compared to OG trilogy and the amount of retcons ruined the game for me (and many other people who cared about stalker lore)

[valid jasper]

Best part of the continued lore was ||finding out Tolik's fate|| lmao

[late condor]

One of the very few instances where a recurring character is not just a nostalgia bait and actually had any character arc

[valid jasper]

It does feel very strange replaying on a console vs the original playthrough years ago on pc lol

Mod support is very bare bones lol there's about 5 mods you can get, none of which are worth the bother

Does look nice though

[late condor]

Gsc have been very strict with modding restrictions, in their view modding is just retextures and similar experience customization, you can’t edit anything gameplay related at all

Also console versions have lots of new bugs, are full of Red Cross and Soviet censorship and got removed multiplayer (wack af, could bring new life to it)

Inferior to pc versions in almost every way imaginable other than controller support

Even achievements which were a selling point of the port are so badly done and cringe it’s insane

[valid jasper]

Yeah they are lol

Worst decision I made was getting rid of my pc

[pale nebula]

Shadow of Chernobyl, Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat are on a completely different level, it's not even close.

[grizzled rock]

person465 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[feral hearth]

Does anyone know how to properly install mods for this game?
I've spent the last 5 hours trying to make it playable for myself, and when I got it to work ONCE I tried to add the russian dubbing mod only for it to crash again and again and now I'm unable to stop it crashing even though I did the same thing I did when it started working the first time?
In the beginning it wouldn't even open it would just have some bug icon crash but now it loads up to a black screen, closes and crashes, what do I do?

[late condor]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications you will need to explain what you were doing instead of just what’s going wrong, clearly messed up the installation

[rotund saddle]

it says here on the wiki to dispose of freedomers' bodies in a vortex should they die before one takes the quest https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Purge_the_freedomers

[graceful horizon]

yes, and if you want to do the mission again you should also do that with the previous corpses

[rotund saddle]

but @late condor just said doing that can screw up my save

[rotund saddle]

can I do that immediately after killing them or do I have to get the reward first?

[graceful horizon]

well, for the mission to have a chance to become available again, the freedommers have to respawn first

[late condor]

I am not aware of that particular trick but I've had trouble ever activating the quest after the initial Murk group is dead, so I won't be surprised if that's the case.

[late condor]

wont those be non-permanent since they are simulation and not unique

[graceful horizon]

Would make sense

[rotund saddle]

well, have you managed to do the mission more than once?

[graceful horizon]

Been a while. But I seem to remember doing so, yeah

[grizzled rock]

gumapelvaler1an has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[grizzled rock]

kennii3175 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glacial wind]

finished my replay yday.

christ it was a meat grinder after meat grinder after meat grinder.

[pale nebula]

What? Why? Did you play on Master or something?

[glacial wind]

alright wolf get off my back

[glacial wind]

i only ever play on master

s' what i'm used to

[pale nebula]

Then I guess it figures.

[glacial wind]

the aproach to the hologram was incredibly dense with enemies coming out of every hole, then the teleportation sequence was a game of getting really intimate with the gauss rifle and its tendency to just aim 30 degrees left of my reticle

and that very last teleporter with the 6 exosuits airdropping in on me 💀

[pale nebula]

I've never had problems with the Gauss rifle. Pin point accuracy. The area before the last teleporter is rough, but you can sprint to the finish if you don't want to engage the exosuits or fall back down the ladder and pick them off one by one. With an Exoskeleton suit you can also hang around and fight, but I guess that's not an option on Master.

[glacial wind]

lets just say i visted a very specific stash of an old friend in the middle of pripyat

[pale nebula]

Yeah, so no running. But there are Skat9 military suits scattered around too.

[zealous lantern]

@late condor, continuing this #📸┃trilogy-screenshots message (to not flood the screenshots and videos channel)

it totally makes sense now. I completely forgot that there is such thing as multiplicative stacking.
so artifacts stack additively with each other, and then armor resist and stacked artifact resist both stack multiplicatively.

it took some time to figure out how you got 99%, but I finally got it lol: total_resist = 1 - (1 - armor_resist) * (1 - total_additive_resist_of_artifacts).

so in case with 90% armor and 90% artifact resist (3 artifacts 30% each) i is indeed 99% total.
but if the artifacts stack to 120% it results into 102%.

so assuming incoming damage is 100,
in the first case we get 100 * (1 - 0.99) = 1 subtracted from player's health
in the second case it is 100 * (1 - 1.02) which is -2 subtracted from player's health which turns into +2.

yo math rocks, lol. thanks dude

[graceful horizon]

SoC does creative math

[rotund saddle]

that would make sense because repairing an armor this way takes a while

[zealous lantern]

yeah, but to be honest I used this trick only couple of times. there is so many suits all over the Zone in different stashes or just laying on the ground, that before I even got my armor to 75% I usually found another one

[late condor]

True that’s how you’re intended to play, just that this abuse exists to allow you to use it a lil longer, especially the unique suits

[rotund saddle]

I don't see SSP-99M "lying around" lol

it costs 100k and armors deteriorate pretty fast tbh

[zealous lantern]

lol, you're right but still, after my spp-99m got broken I just didn't really bother and bought the scat-9

[late condor]

Also I never thought about that but yeah calculations made me realise that suits with better anomaly protection are slower to repair

Makes sense tbh

But with shell collision method it doesn’t matter cause it’s instant

[rotund saddle]

I sold my SPP-9M, bought Skat... worst decision ever lol

had to save up money to buy SPP back

[zealous lantern]

lol why? u usually want more bullet protection towards the end game. there is very few anomalies there

ok, and maybe radiation protection especially for cnpp

but idk, it didnt feel like spp was a must. pretty much cheased it with my skat and occasionally switched to exoskeleton in cnpp and afterwards

also, didn't feel like money was a problem. if you keep your artifacts until the Yanov, you can get a lot of money from selling them to Sakharov

though I had to make like 2 or 3 runs to bring them all from the bar to the bunker :D

by the end of the game I had like 350k spare

[rotund saddle]

I'm still in Amy Winehouse, also I have more influence over bullets than over anomalies + radiation

[graceful horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-jay-jay-tyra-antm-americas-next-top-model-gif-4040226487718382132

[late condor]

fang exo / ssp-99m / skat are the only three options for endgame gear pretty much

[graceful horizon]

Tourist suit for utility

[rotund saddle]

no radiation protection, no bullet protection

[graceful horizon]

exactly, for utility

[rotund saddle]

so carry 2 armors?

[graceful horizon]

nah, I just switch depending on my plans

[rotund saddle]

but loot is always in the plans

[graceful horizon]

naturally, but when it's the sole-focus Imight choose to go with tourisst

[rotund saddle]

yeah that's good thinking

going through Wild Territory always yields at least 5 M4s

thankfully I manage it with the 50kg carry limit

[rotund saddle]

wow clouds cast shadows in SoC

haven't noticed it before but it gives a very nice effect

@karmic horizon does weather change in SoC as time passes? The game starts at May 1 st, so it should get more sunny and greener theoretically.

[late condor]

No. Same weather every day at the same period of time.

If it’s raining on a location in that time, it’ll rain every day at that time. No exceptions.

CS was the first one to introduce dynamic missions.

Technically, every single cyclic side mission is repeatable with no exceptions. However, for some of them the repetition criteria is never met.

Eg a quest to kill a unique character is only non repeatable because there is only one of that character. If there were two, it would repeat.

That being said, all quests to bring artifacts and mutant bodies are repeatable, all quests to bring other items are not, all quests to clear area are repeatable, with killing stalkers it depends on whether it’s a unique character or a generic one

[late condor]

That may be abused with certain bugs to make non-repeatable quest repeat

[rotund saddle]

@late condor what's prop_govno? 🤣

[late condor]

a texture of a piece of cow cr*p that was photographed by a dev and placed into lots of areas in all three games, often as an easter egg (in CS on garbage there is one instance with a spoon next to it)

[rotund saddle]

are those all artifacts in the entire game? I mean the ones you can find in the world, not from repeatable quests

[rotund saddle]

I'm pretty sure you can defend the factory, do the underground and steal the documents all in 24 hours.

can you see Wolf giving the dynamite to Skull or is it just imaginary?

[late condor]

Imaginary and fun fact is that him giving dynamite to skull is a headcanon

It does work surprisingly well, Wolf leaves to get dynamite to somebody, goes to warehouses and there’s skull using it on warehouses

But people who studied desdocs found that this link is never mentioned

I’ll need to refresh my memory on that though there are some details I must have missed

[rotund saddle]

desdocs? you mean design docs?

btw is there a chest at Freedom's base I can keep my stuff in?

[late condor]

yeah that's the common abbreviation

[rotund saddle]

guards at Freedom's base gate work in shifts, nice detail

they actually rotate

[rotund saddle]

I finally managed to get Freedom to kill Skull's group, doing it the "normal" way would always make Freedom lose

I had to kill the sniper first.
Then talk to Skull about killing Lukash, decline doing it, after which Skull's group would move on to Freedom's base.
Sprint to Lukash and tell him about Duty on the farm and by the time I spoke to Max, Duty was already pouring in through the hole in the walls.
Once Duty members are in, Freedomers can kill them all. Quite a few freedom members die too, tho.

I got like 50k worth of loot from that.

[zealous lantern]

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well :D

Ever since I played SoC for the first time in 2007, the only trick I knew was tossing a weapon into a door to open it.
After I started replaying it again few weeks ago, I've found out that you can play stealth, you can heal and "repair" standing in anomalies, and that you can actually be friends with both Freedom and Duty

And there is also one that you can somehow drop your weapon underneath yourself to kind of jump higher. But I didn't try it myself, just saw on a video. And also, you can stick a weapon into a fence, to climb over it

lol, I remembered, when I tried this trick with Freedom and Duty for the first time, I couldn't get all the loot from Freedom's storage because I was carying a lot of my own. So I picked up half, and decided to drop it under the staircase, and while I was packing the rest, the guy who guards it came back and made me soft locked.
Lesson learned. :D
The second time before starting the heist I dropped all my loot into a stash

[sonic dew]

...Life of boris was right, you not play stalker,stalker play you..... You play it all the time, and you think about it, when you are not playing it....

[whole geyser]

You can take the man of out the zone but you can't take the zone out of the man

[sonic dew]

Damn that's a good ass quote

Time to set that shit as my bio, I am losing it I really want to play stalker but it's a school night and I have not slept in 3 days

[fickle crow]

is there like a good graphic only mod

[late condor]

no

soc has a very unqiue art style that most mods just throw in the trash, you should just go with vanilla

[fickle crow]

okay then

[late condor]

there isn't a mod that improves graphics but preserves the art direction of the game

[fickle crow]

also i have a couple missions in the dark valley should i get an antiradiation suit?

[late condor]

always a good idea to get best gear available to you at the moment but rads is not that big of an issue there

[fickle crow]

since i have 0% knowledge abt 99% of this game

[icy hinge]

The closest one, is one of the older Complete Mods,

[fickle crow]

i dont really know where to get good gear except doing missions i guess

[late condor]

(not only graphics and still HEAVILY changes the artstyle of the game)

[icy hinge]

Not the older verisons, they were a texture mod mainly.

The latest one is awful

[fickle crow]

it seems i need an anti radiation something to get into the dark valley

[icy hinge]

Here - https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-complete-2009/downloads

The early versions do not use ZRP, but the earlier verions are mainly graphical, Atmospheric, and changes to combat experience... But the story remains the same...

The later versions add more and change more. And the latest one is rubbish.

[fickle crow]

where can i find some radiation protection

[icy hinge]

Rookie village, and artifacts later on.

[late condor]

they always included zrp, which already strays from "texture only"

[oak kestrel]

how do you turn on debug menu

[icy hinge]

Not as far as I could remember...

But then there was one mod, that allowed you pick your settings before the game started, so you could massively increase the grass draw distance and stuff.

Been looking for it for months...

I just can not find it anymore.

[late condor]

there's no debug menu in vanilla games

[oak kestrel]

what if im using ZRP

[late condor]

then go to #🔩┃trilogy_modifications cause most people wont know what your mod adds and how it functions

[icy hinge]

I didn't say they were texture only, I said mainly.

[thorn vessel]

What standalone mod adds companions?

[late condor]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications

[livid stump]

Is this game multiplayer

[stone fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-satan-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638690

[late condor]

It has a multiplayer mode but it’s a separate thing, think Half Life and Half Life Deathmatch

One is a story experience another is a regular team shooter / deathmatch mode

It’s fun but the main selling point is still singleplayer mode

Also if you play LotZ (console versions) then no multiplayer for you, they cut it

[stone fiber]

Stalker is getting a pre downloading

[late condor]

LotZ is, yeah the update was already discussed in #legends-of-the-zone

[late condor]

@charred prism troll

@velvet sun

[whole geyser]

@late condor gone and booted

bro just joined today and was clearly a troll them being gone is a net positive for the community

[stone fiber]

Alright making sure

[icy hinge]

It used to have PvP maps, not sure about now though

[grizzled rock]

baaaal44 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rotund saddle]

I robbed their armory earlier 🤣 just use an armor dropped on the ground to prop yourself up and crawl above the guard.

[rotund saddle]

@late condor what's armor "durability"? is it how fast it deteriorates?

[novel bay]

Guys should I replay shadow of chernobyl if I only made it out with a SEVA suit and VLA/Big Ben end game

Sarcophogus softlock goes hard

And i completed Barkeeps/Vornonins quests as much as possible

I kinda felt like I rushed the game i beat it in 18 hours so should I do a replay with 5.45 s14

[graceful horizon]

5.45 s14 is fun to use. if you enjoyed your first playthrough, why not play it again?

[rotund saddle]

5.45 s14?

[graceful horizon]

Tunder that uses 5.45 yeah

Used by Barin and can sometimes be bought from Sid before getting your reward from wolf for the first mission

Most powerful 5.45 weapon in the game by some margin

[novel bay]

Then how should I replay it?

I grinded for tunder 5.45 but don't know if I should replay or not

[late condor]

Explore. The game has a lot to offer if you stay behind. Some events will only unfold if you backtrack.

[graceful horizon]

Main question is: do you want to replay it?

[novel bay]

Do I have to replay it or can I play call of pripyat

[late condor]

You started with CS?

[graceful horizon]

If you got the true ending the first time, it's safe to go on to CoP

Unless you haven't llayed CS before

[novel bay]

I got the false ending with the money

[graceful horizon]

Replay

[late condor]

Yeah then it’s a good idea to replay the game either way

[novel bay]

Then how do I get a true ending

[graceful horizon]

Go to the cordon after completing your business in yantar

To meet guide

[novel bay]

There is a new questline?

[graceful horizon]

Just the actual finding Strelok questline that could use some highlighting to draw player's attention to it

[novel bay]

Is the questline boring

[graceful horizon]

No

[novel bay]

Also how do I avoid rushing the game since 18 hours is not alot

[graceful horizon]

Explore, loot, take your time finding secrets and talking to people

[late condor]

Side quests, stashes, breakable containers, explore every rook and cranny, there’s lots of loot hidden in spots you won’t expect

[novel bay]

Also is a tunder 5.45 and black kite the only weapons i need

I used the big ben and sniper vla first playthrough

[late condor]

There are many different weapons that are valid choices , I’ve seen people complete the game with fast shooting AKM

[novel bay]

Also is clear sky not worth playing

[late condor]

Wdym it’s the best game in the series

[rotund saddle]

@late condor So I skipped the brain scorcher entirely and just went straight to Pripyat. Game progresses as normal, lol.

[whole geyser]

That's wild lol

[whole geyser]

Please do NOT skip it

Goated

[late condor]

yeah im aware, the quest finishes too

[rotund saddle]

so skipping brain scorcher is legit?

[late condor]

it's certainly not intended but for whatever reason does not bug the game in any way lol

[novel bay]

Guys is it normal to have a 5.45 groza black kite suppressed and 120000 rubles and a stalker suit before going to any of the labs

Also science medkits and 11 military medkits

[wild wedge]

Games do that skip dialogue checks and just let you do the last objective in the quest and it’s like “hey thanks for doing that job I totally gave you and you didn’t know the whole thing and skip to the end because you value your sanity”

Sometimes it’s not even like “you gotta job for me?” “Yeah find this thing.” “Good news I already have it.”

It’s like

“Here you go”
“Thank you. Your reward as promised: my land and my daughter”

[novel bay]

Someone tell me if this is normal ☠️☠️☠️

Guess imma buy the skat9m when it's available

[wild wedge]

It makes you wish the side quests didn’t exist and everything so minuscule in a game was elective and completed just by solving whatever big problem was in the way.

[novel bay]

I feel drained on this second playthrough also saved kruglov early

[wild wedge]

Like if I could just go around fixing generators and giving out tools in Fallout games without needing to bow to Bethesda’s system

[wild wedge]

Who?

I have a bad memory

[novel bay]

Ecologist in green suit

[wild wedge]

Ahh yeah well I did my damnedest to save the ecologists

[novel bay]

So when I go to yantar I get to skip 2 hours of gameplay that I already completed

[wild wedge]

It is nice they ||focus the military on the zombies|| for you

[novel bay]

The zombies are bullet sponges also master is too easy for me

Even on master they soak 5.45

[wild wedge]

For my playthrough it was more helpful to do quest by quest because with how little context you actually have the patience to find and read through losing it entirely makes it worse

Like I had no idea where Strelok’s hideout was because the game rushed me through agroprom and killed the guy you were supposed to talk to

[novel bay]

The game has such bad quest structure that you can beat all the quests in 10 minutes

[wild wedge]

2000’s graphics don’t help

[novel bay]

The game leaves you on your own unless you play heart of chernobyl

[wild wedge]

Yeah I need that

I had a much better time playing 2

[novel bay]

Is the quest structure normal?

[wild wedge]

It’s like Far Cry

People shit on that but I am not reading a novel hidden in the game files written in Ukrainian to understand the story

Because voice acting hasn’t been invented yet

[novel bay]

Is call of pripyats quest structure the same

[wild wedge]

Skif’s dub tho was just

[late condor]

are you talking about s2?

[wild wedge]

It’s an improvement on voice cues but you kinda just go place to place accidentally skipping explanations before doing a quest for X faction

[wild wedge]

Bethesda games mostly

[late condor]

in s1 it's more of a contrary, usually there's entire sequence of events that needs to complete and missing a part of it is not an option

brain scorcher skip is the rare exception, not the rule

[wild wedge]

I didn’t know you could run past it but I didn’t see the point not shutting it down

[novel bay]

Stalker is very difficult to get into just because of the quest structure and how unreliable it is

[wild wedge]

But I guess it can just do that for you

[novel bay]

Like I went to garbage early and did the fox thing but randomly sery was already did

It canceled out a quest because I went to garbage early

[late condor]

when you loot the body there's info that goes into your PDA that you can read, even if you skip dialogue the game doesn't care it all works

[wild wedge]

I’ve played my share of games like that and I’m used to just shooting and looting things until the game rewards me and gives me the good ending

[granite jungle]

SoC is pretty straightforward when played as intended, and they generally account for NPCs being able to die

[novel bay]

Quest structure ☠️

[late condor]

it's a morrowind -> oblivion kind of drop in writing quality and amount, also you played in ukrainian?

[wild wedge]

Well again I was rushed out by an impending hoard of mutants, grunts and helicopters and I was not backtracking after that

[wild wedge]

I tried to but I couldn’t pay enough attention to subtitles

[late condor]

then why do you say written in ukrainian lol? 🤔

[wild wedge]

The game files

It was a joke

[granite jungle]

SoC is... kinda barebones in the narrative department, though there's enough details to maintain interest at least

[wild wedge]

I was always gripped by the faction elements and hubs

I never did do the arena in SoC I thought it’d be a hamper

[granite jungle]

The side quests do some lifting above their weight class to give you a feel for the world

[wild wedge]

I like that about games. Sometimes you need to make a little progress to be able to tackle side quests and vice versa.

SoC’s lack of fast travel even guides killed the incentive to go back and do side quests

And they were bugged to hell

[granite jungle]

Ehh, the game world is not really that big, though some areas like Yantar are kind of a pain to return to yeah

[wild wedge]

You can’t even skip whatever anomalous hazards you had to go through to get to the next area when going back and forth

Miles of nothing but radiation, mutants and garbage in the garbage just why and I couldn’t replace my guns and armor as if I could afford to

The exoskeleton they give you at the end is so useless I had the SEVA suit just barely clinging on

You can’t sprint in exoskeletons so why give you one in a parkour area

[late condor]

the main story is barebones, it's selling factor was the entire world introduction

which is why playing any other game before soc is an objectively bad choice

[granite jungle]

Yeah, definitely

[late condor]

the game was developed and released in russian, the ukrainian translation came out later

english translation is done from russian, not ukrainian, and is missing some of the UA details

[rotund saddle]

so you didn't explore Agroprom's underground?

I thought it's impossible to miss Strelok's hideout

[wild wedge]

I did something

[rotund saddle]

bruh what?

[late condor]

hoc is ridiculously dumbified for average casual gamer, you can pretty much not read at all and just follow quest markers lol

[rotund saddle]

there's infinite sprint

[wild wedge]

No there ain’t

[rotund saddle]

yeah but SoC has quest markers too

[rotund saddle]

there is

[late condor]

haven't explored enough

[wild wedge]

Sorry

[late condor]

with proper artifacts there is suit repair, infinite sprint and more

can get insane regen with 5 souls too

[rotund saddle]

I can live without armor repair, but I can't live without infinite sprint

[late condor]

yeah i also find myself rushing moonlights by visiting electra tunnels in Cordon and agroprom undeground during the ngiht

[wild wedge]

I was not looking for all that

[late condor]

The game punishes rushing and rewards exploration.

[rotund saddle]

you didn't find a single +endurance artifact?

[late condor]

idk what to tell you, you played it wrong

[wild wedge]

I did

I beat the game and that was that I’m done

[late condor]

stacking endurance artifacts allows you to just run without any limits

[rotund saddle]

yeah you don't need guides if you have infinite sprint

[late condor]

yeah but you say soc is barebones in lore despite not reading dialogues / pda entries, that the game is empty despite not exploring it, idk man

[rotund saddle]

Strelok runs like Usain Bolt

[late condor]

all of your complaints feel like a skill issue

hoc is a massive downgrade to everything stalker is, a good far cry game, a terrible stalker game

[late condor]

The game still kind of expects you to read to understand the story and what you're doing, HoC brings out all the important story points in the form of cutscenes to make sure even if you can't read you don't miss anything

[rotund saddle]

there isn't much reading SoC

at least in the form of dialogs

PDA has stuff to read

[grizzled rock]

59face has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rotund saddle]

which I sort of ignored because of the friggin' bugged notification icon

[late condor]

have you read encyclopedia's folklore?

this shit is fire and really expands on the game's lore A LOT

[rotund saddle]

lol "fire" the writing itself is poor

I read it all once, I didn't feel like reading it again

I'm reading the original stalker book for lore

[late condor]

idk maybe im biased but I feel like it's good, maybe less impressive in translation

[rotund saddle]

it's nowhere near the original Fallout1/2 levels of writing

it's obvious the translation wasn't done by a native English speaker

there's no flow to it

[whole geyser]

i mean that writing isnt even peak

[rotund saddle]

it's above average level

[rotund saddle]

what game has peak writing?