tech-deals-discussion

[light bay]

Meh I mean it's decent but you sacrifice a ton of CPU performance if you ever get a dgpu some day

It's basically a 3600 with igpu

I'd rather just live with a 11500 and get a dgpu someday and be way better off

[cinder tinsel]

That's true

[light bay]

If amd didn't gimp the cache on their g models I would def go for it tho

[marsh sphinx]

Not worth almost $60 usd

lmao

[dark notch]

false

[dark notch]

completely false

its not a ton

it still has double the cache of the 4650g

and it clocks memory and fabric wayyy highe

yes its worse

but its like

5%

maybe 10%

3600 is like 20-25% worse

[forest prairie]

if you want to buy a basic display adapter at least go cheap

quadro 600 or something

[stoic crest]

4650g is poggers

it has amazing cpu perf and igpu

[thick locust]

What is it’s msrp?

The GT 710

[jolly inlet]

$34 in 2016

[stoic crest]

just get cpu with igpu

if you wanna get a 710 lol

[jolly inlet]

Yeah even the igp on the intel 10 series is often better

[stoic crest]

any modern igpus in 2021 will beat 710

[oak sentinel]

Gt710 is very nice for extra monitors tho

[thick locust]

Thanks for that

(Someone I know doesnt have a igpu so I wanted to buy a 710 to him)

[grand orbit]

That's fine if they aren't in the us, as the 11500 is still more than the 11600k

[grand orbit]

Uhd 630 is 2x better lol

[drifting path]

lol just get 770 for under 100 dollars

[shrewd aspen]

Lol just watched that scam link get bonked

[grave delta]

@abstract elm trim your link, add price and short title

[abstract elm]

alright

[grand orbit]

Also bad deal anyway put please trim links lol

[grave delta]

I think we should all also specify what the ltt psu tier list rating is or link an aris review to psu posts

If there's a rebate, add "AR"

[grand orbit]

That's a good idea

[abstract elm]

bad deal??? it's half off

it's $47

and it's a super good psu

tier a

[prisma mortar]

you can trim the link even more btw "https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817151245" still works

[abstract elm]

gold rated and fully modular

[grave delta]

Yep - though if you do this and remove the embed - put the full product name in your post ofc

[prisma mortar]

idk if newegg shows an embed, ive never seen any of the links i post of it embedding

[jolly inlet]

Sometimes it does

[grave delta]

I often remove embeds manually there - I'll just disable them soon

[grand orbit]

Ohhh i saw it was for 85$

[abstract elm]

yea

it's $47

[grand orbit]

That's nice then

[abstract elm]

fr

[grand orbit]

Mb say the price in the post

[prisma mortar]

it says it's only $10 off for me too so idk

[grave delta]

"half off" is meaningless

[jolly inlet]

But the price on that psu before the rebate is still pretty bad, and you probably don't need A tier if you're using 500W

[grand orbit]

10$ rebate and 35$ code

[prisma mortar]

ohhhh lmao

[abstract elm]

i fixed it

[prisma mortar]

i thought that was like the shipping price so i ignored it

[grand orbit]

There's also a 35$ code that makes it worthwhile

[grave delta]

Perfect

[jolly inlet]

Yeah I see the code I just don't like rebates lol

[grand orbit]

Fair lol

[abstract elm]

the rebate is only like $10

the code is most of the discount

[grand orbit]

57$ is still aight

[abstract elm]

yeah for what it is that's a great price

[jolly inlet]

You can get a B tier 650W at that price usually though

Maybe A

[grave delta]

I'd rather get that leadex for 70 that comes with the $10 card + argb 120mm

PSU tier list
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list

SSD tier list
https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

How to trim links:
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189?nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-dealsofamerica.com&AFFID=2666707&AFFNAME=dealsofamerica.com&ACRID=1&ASUBID=03nsmSRtbf6DB7Pl8oHn7F4&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dealsofamerica.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2666707&ranSiteID=OfrhIMk.DmY-y67I2mNRVXY7dpGA5s_OlQ

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189

[abstract elm]

wrong link

i think

there ya go

[grave delta]

I know luke kinda "retired" so maybe someone will repost to be able to maintain the list

[jolly inlet]

Good idea having that handy for this channel too

[grave delta]

@dusky timber How relevant is that tier list link these days? Any suggestions welcome.

It's been fun trying to terraform #tech-deals into an actually useful channel

[prisma mortar]

ngl i kinda want to kinda be like gamersnexus and get a bunch of PSU testing equipment and just test psus, but it's all so expensive and ive also havent had any training on how you test psus so yeah

only a distant dream

unless i join gamersnexus lmao

[grave delta]

Those programmable electronic load boxes are very expensive, but you could get a decent scope, dmm, bench psu for a few hundred used to get started in the hobby.

[prisma mortar]

maybe some other year, but definitely not now since i dont have the funds 😔

[thick locust]

Wanted to surprise him

[warm thicket]

Most of that PSU testing equipment they use is $10,000+

[jolly inlet]

Maybe get him a 950 instead, then it's at least windows 11 compatible

And can do some games in 1080p

[stoic crest]

damn

that plat psu deal is juicy

[cinder tinsel]

only 560 w though

[minor lava]

560 enough for a lower end build i think

10500 + 3060 kinda thing

[willow niche]

you could run a 3060ti and any lower end cpu you want

6700xt too

[willow niche]

been there for a while, but i wanted to flex

[grand orbit]

It's also only £59

[light bay]

Nah fam

Maybe if you leave it stock and oc the hell out of the 5600g lol

[dark notch]

guess which one has more OC headroom?

[light bay]

This is gamers Nexus

5600g

[dark notch]

you can clock +200mhz easily with 5600G

hell

[light bay]

Yeah

[dark notch]

people wanted +500mhz

and you can do that

5600G has wayy more headroom

[light bay]

And even with a higher clock on the 5600g you still won't get to 30 percent

[dark notch]

i never said 30%

?

[light bay]

Nvrmind 20-25

Doubt you'll make it to 25 tho

[dark notch]

thats not a good cpu test anyways

[light bay]

If you oc both to the max

[dark notch]

SOTTR for example

or firestrike physics

[light bay]

But that person was going for gaming

I don't think they could care less about workstation stuff

Otherwise they woulda prolly grabbed a 10850k or something

[dark notch]

?

i didnt say workstation

[light bay]

That's what physics and stuff is

Or is that a game

[grand orbit]

Siege is more gpu bound tbh, csgo/valorant will show larger gaps

[light bay]

I'll go look for benches on those then

[grand orbit]

Also keep in mind 3200cl14 ram which is not optimal for Ryzen

[grand orbit]

Sottr is a game?

[grand orbit]

Firestrike is 3dmark

[light bay]

Found these, these are two CPU bound games

[dusky timber]

The PSU one? Still relevant in terms of the data it has on the spreadsheet, completely irrelevant in terms of how the units are ranked or what the rankings mean

[grand orbit]

From where?

[dusky timber]

No he didn’t?

[light bay]

Nj tech

[dusky timber]

Luke is very much still working

[grand orbit]

Who?

[light bay]

I wouldn't call them perfect results but you get the idea

[dusky timber]

I talk to home like every other day on the cultist internal discord

[light bay]

Tech YouTuber, has like 70k subs

Just does benchmarks

[dusky timber]

It’s just the list is formally retired from the LTT forums

And has permanently been migrated to cultist.network

CS:GO is CPu bound that’s correct

[ebon stratus]

Patokav#2667 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[grand orbit]

Bruh

[light bay]

Bruh

[grand orbit]

@light bay

[light bay]

That's synthetic

[grand orbit]

It's 3d mark gives a decent example

[dusky timber]

What even is this discussion

Can you guys tell me so I can give input

[light bay]

Still not a great translation to real world perf

5600g vs 3600

[dusky timber]

5600G slaps the 3600

[light bay]

I say 5600g in games with a dgpu isn't much better

3600 not 3500

[dusky timber]

You’re wrong then

[light bay]

You got any benches?

[dusky timber]

Yeah

[light bay]

Link

[dusky timber]

My own

5600G slaps the 3600

[light bay]

Same system?

[dusky timber]

Yes

[light bay]

You got any ss or anything?

[dusky timber]

3090 HOF
X570 Unify-X

[grand orbit]

Arshia knows their stuff

[light bay]

Aight

[dusky timber]

I probably do, but I literally test dozens of PCs I don’t log everything

[light bay]

Hm

[dusky timber]

And I’m at work rn

I mean

[light bay]

Stock on both?

Or pbo?

[dusky timber]

Neither

Manual

[grand orbit]

Arshia wrote the ddr4 oc guide btw, intel

They smortt

[dusky timber]

No I edited it

About 300 lines of it

[grand orbit]

Ahh my b

[light bay]

Technically wrote it ig

Wrote on it

[grand orbit]

Well you contributed to it then

[dusky timber]

I mean, I revived some of its issues

Needs another revive soon

Since I didn’t do everything I wanted

[light bay]

You gonna help with ddr5 oc one next?

[grand orbit]

Thought you were retiring from that stuff arshia?

[ebon stratus]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dusky timber]

Nah screw OC

[light bay]

Bruh

[ebon stratus]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Arshia#2457 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[light bay]

Lol

[grand orbit]

Woops

[light bay]

He's back

Lol

[dusky timber]

I swear to god

Anyways

The OC community is full of a bunch of troglodytes

[light bay]

I overclocked my ram earlier

[dusky timber]

At least 90% of it

[light bay]

Just turned on ram pbo 😎

[dusky timber]

It’s so dumb how everyone takes the lazy road

[light bay]

I let my system auto oc it

[dusky timber]

No one gives a flying F how the stuff works

[light bay]

Lol jk

Yeah

Altho I do say pbo is p nice for some thing

[dusky timber]

And the people@who think they know stuff are basically collecting pkemon cards

[light bay]

You need no knowledge to use it

Hard to screw up a CPU with pbo

[dusky timber]

It’s the kids who collected the cards but never actually played with them enough to know how the cards work

So they see “EX” and automatically assume it’s strong as hell

[light bay]

I don't know Pokemon at all so I'm dead over here

[dusky timber]

My gripes with the tech community have existed for a LONG time but until now I’ e been so deep down the stupid rabbit hole

I’ve been learning how the stuff works, and at least a few months ago people wanted to know

They asked questions

Now will all these stupid tuners who don’t know jack all it’s a mess

Jufes, i2hard, freethy, chamber, the entire latency community

You explain how 1T vs 2T works like an uptillion times and it’s like you’re talking to a brick wall

Hopefully I can foster my own community

I’m working on it alright, one where isn’t an action you do but a learned skill

[light bay]

Are all those ppl in the buildapc discord?

[dusky timber]

Can’t wait for school to start chilling out

[dusky timber]

Which people

[light bay]

Jufes, i2hard

All them

[grand orbit]

Ik i and probs a few others from this discord would be fairly interested in that and actually learn lol

@dusty trail btw you can buy an i3 10105f for 93$ and a 10100f for 99$(although why would you when 10105 is tiny bit cheaper and better) and not on ebay either

[dusty trail]

hmm

[dusky timber]

Jufes also goes by Framechasers

And i2hard is Russian version

[dusty trail]

thanks for letting me know

I'm just glad intel have finally loosened their grip on prices

[grand orbit]

Their prices are fine bar the 11400 and 11500 because they're being scalped

[prisma mortar]

next step, when will apple finally make their products cheaper

[dusty trail]

well, not intel's problem

scalpers are questionable people

lol

[light bay]

Yeah it's not my problem

I can't control pricing

Lol

[ebon stratus]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[light bay]

Arshia bro

Lol

[dusky timber]

When they stop pulling off stuff like this

[light bay]

You can say damn and ass and crap

That's about it

Btw

[dusty trail]

I'd swear but I don't wanna get in heckin' trouble

[light bay]

Is that a 3.5" m.2 2280 SSD???????

[dusky timber]

Apple products are so f’ing dumb

[light bay]

Lol

[dusky timber]

What?

[light bay]

Apple be like: "pay 1.5k, get i3"

[dusky timber]

No that’s a hybrid drive setup

[light bay]

Makes sense

[dusky timber]

128GB SSD

[light bay]

Ik was just joking

[dusky timber]

3TB HDD

[grand orbit]

Well if they didn't invest in money not allowing you turn on macbooks when not in the chassis properly that would be a start

[dusky timber]

That’s the drive right there

[light bay]

Is that your Mac?

[dusky timber]

No

[light bay]

Or customers?

[dusky timber]

Customer

[light bay]

Nice

[dusky timber]

Apple is such easy money istfg

[light bay]

Yesh

Costs them like $300 to make a phone right?

[light bay]

That they sell for 1k

[dusky timber]

Ram anyone

You like@laptops?

[light bay]

I'll take some

[dusky timber]

I sorted them by IC manufacturer

[light bay]

And get a sodimm to dimm adapter

And use it in my pc

[grand orbit]

Why so many ram lol

[prisma mortar]

lmao i just remembered that "memories" box filled with ram sticks image someone sent

i think it was droq

[dusky timber]

This is just my work laptop collection…you haven’t seen my actual collection)

??

[light bay]

Arshia

Become rich

And just take a stick of ram out of every PC you work on if they have a couple sticks in there

[prisma mortar]

found it on google

[light bay]

Old ppl with their Macs would never know lol

[grand orbit]

I've heard but why so many work laptop rams?

[prisma mortar]

so what are you saving all that ram for

[light bay]

You could prolly get some gold out of all that ram tbh,

[grand orbit]

Arshia creating memory shortage

[prisma mortar]

ah yes

[light bay]

But prolly worth more to just sell as is

[prisma mortar]

human singlehandedly creates memory shortage

[dusky timber]

Oh shir

Those are DDR2 big dimms

And I spot SIMMs there too

[prisma mortar]

if you know how to do woodworking, make a giant wooden box and fill it with ram sticks, and make sure to label it as "memories" or "our memories" or something like that

[light bay]

Lol

[prisma mortar]

wait not only that, make a box labeled "RAM Sticks" and fill it with pictures of you

and your significant other and family (if applicable)

[dusky timber]

The pads are gold plated

You can see that quite easily if you use Cadence allegro

It has a full layer material breakdown

Every trace

Every via

Every capacitor

[light bay]

Yeah

How much gold you think you could pull out of all those dimms?

[cinder tinsel]

probably not worth the effort

https://goldenscrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/rams-chart.jpg

[light bay]

Sad

[dusky timber]

Nothing

It’d all slag

[light bay]

Sad

[dusky timber]

Assuming you don’t have proper equipment

[light bay]

Yeah you prolly would have to chemically do it right?

[dusky timber]

That’s the most effective way

[cinder tinsel]

hcl

[dusky timber]

Hydrochloric acid won’t do as well as you think

[slow sluice]

@dusty trail you know that's a pretty normal price for the 10100f, right?

[dusty trail]

I do now that 2 people have told me

my bad

[grave delta]

You'd use a mix of hcl and hno3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_regia

https://slickdeals.net/f/15297616-amazon-warehouse-deals-select-used-open-box-items-various-categories-extra-40-off-limited-availability-stock

[marsh sphinx]

what if there was a bad deals text channel

that could be really funny and entertaining to go through

[grand orbit]

Feel like that might get confusing and ppl who aren't paying attention might think good deal

[marsh sphinx]

well if they cant read the text channel name, that'd be kind of sad lol

[verbal tangle]

Then call it money steals

[marsh sphinx]

optional self-theft

[verbal tangle]

Consented bank account dent

[marsh sphinx]

💀

[dark notch]

nitric yeah?

[slow sluice]

@grave delta What would you say to a "meh" emoji for deals that are not great but not horrible?

[minor lava]

^ I think that works

[grave delta]

Unnecessary

[stoic crest]

82 for 1tb

wew

[grand orbit]

@forest prairie talk here about tech deals now btw

[forest prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spacepatroluluco-anime-unsure-worry-ok-gif-10200414

[south hawk]

Is this worth it?

Neweegg shuffle

[untold summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

3090 are going for around 3 grand or higher depending on brand (Atleast on facebook market) (Ebay is worse) Its pretty worth if you are going to make a profit with that. For example you could sell the 3090 for about $500 higher and leave yourself a free mobo. If its 3k cdn go for it, but if its usd, reconsider

[pulsar fable]

Wow, it took a price cut down to $150 for the 9700k to be sold out at micro center (at all but 4 locations)

[grand orbit]

Great deal for budget gaming cpu tbh

[pulsar fable]

Yeah, bought one last week for my gaming server

[grand orbit]

That 3060 dell seems like a good deal if dell wasn't hot garbo, but mb xmps is a bit better than g5 but 1000$

[jolly inlet]

It still looks like it has all the proprietary garbage parts

[dusty trail]

I would have included an ssd and 2 modules of 8GB instead of 1x8, but all in all it's not so bad I think

[grand orbit]

Ohh 100% but for someone who just wants "gaming computer" it looks better than the other 1k options but still ehhh also the 8gb of ram kills me

[dusty trail]

8GB and not dual channel

[grand orbit]

THERE'S NO SSD!!!?????

Omg

Wow

[dusty trail]

haha

[warm thicket]

No SSD is an instant no for me pretty much

[jolly inlet]

Easy to add another stick though, since it's only jedec 2933

[grand orbit]

I at least expected 128gb ssd

[warm thicket]

Sure, you can add one after you buy it but for that price it should come with a high capacity one anyway

[grand orbit]

Ehh cuz it has a 3060 for 1k it would get away with 128gb but for not sale price yeah

Wtf where they thinking

[warm thicket]

I mean it's Dell

[grand orbit]

But that's another level of awful

[warm thicket]

Dell's Precisions are a whole another level of awful value

But companies will always be willing to pay for them for some reason

[grand orbit]

Well tbf for an office machine a dell is okay

[jolly inlet]

$50 for cheap propriety motherboard, $150 for i5, $30 for bad memory, $25 HDD, $30 power, and the rest is the GPU

[grand orbit]

Yeah shocking

[marsh sphinx]

dell

[jolly inlet]

Oh and the $40 case

If that

[marsh sphinx]

yea, but you're forgetting the 500 dollar warranty.

[pulsar fable]

Can't forget financing

[slow sluice]

@floral turtle Not sure if the laptop is the best deal either. Could get the parts you need for the dell for under $100. Only problem then being is that it's a dell

[floral turtle]

Better then that

[slow sluice]

I dunno, you'd still need to buy the ram upgrade

Assuming it has upgradeable ram, I'll go check real quick

Looks like it does

[floral turtle]

Yeah it does

And storage

I’m gonna do it bc I copped it and have had it

[pseudo wharf]

Any good mic or headset deals? @ me please

Been looking on slick deals haven't seen anything

[minor lava]

@sudden sparrow that really aint a deal

[prisma mortar]

also trim your link lmao

[minor lava]

cloud II is better and cheaper

[prisma mortar]

remember: trim your link, put in price (and how much the discount is) and item name into your tech deal post

[grave delta]

I forget who wanted 3dmark - ping them, it's $5

[jolly inlet]

Essential tool right there, everyone who wants to know how well their PC is performing needs that

[oak sentinel]

Its $1.40 dollars for me

[grave delta]

cool

[oak sentinel]

Just bought it

good deal

thanks for the post

How do I rip the key from it and use the web version btw?

[grave delta]

google

[oak sentinel]

didnt find anything

[oak sentinel]

Oh I was googling the wrong thing

thanks

[jolly inlet]

$249 for a power supply isn't a good deal, even if it is 1200W platinum. They're just trying to gouge miners.

That's double the price of a good 850W+

[grave delta]

I think it's a good deal - if you need a 1200w plat leadex, it's very good deal in today's market, but I doubt anybody who sees that link here will actually buy that

[minor lava]

So it’s like “yes it’s a good deal for the 2% of people who would actually need to buy it”

[dark notch]

cuz its on a completely different platform

[slow sluice]

Nah

$250 for 1200W play is way too high

[dark notch]

is it?

[slow sluice]

Yeah

[dark notch]

its basically msrp

[slow sluice]

Any ATX PSU is gonna be overpriced

[dark notch]

sure

but that means they're all not overpriced

[slow sluice]

https://www.serversupply.com/POWER SUPPLY/SERVER POWER SUPPLY/2000 WATT/SUPERMICRO/PWS-2K02P-1R_216214.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItfiYvrCj8wIVjXtvBB1WyAnIEAQYAiABEgJXc_D_BwE

No, they're all overpriced

[dark notch]

i mean the bom delta between a RM550X and a RM850X is a couple bucks

does that psu have a 5 volt rail

or a 3.3 volt rail

or any of the standby or negative tails

does it have power cables

[slow sluice]

You're getting gouged if you buy high wattage ATX PSUs

[dark notch]

high voltage

ah yes a barebones refurb psu compared to full retail psu

how much those cost new

[slow sluice]

Words hard

Probably around 150 new, idk

[dark notch]

and again where are the seconday rails or power connectors

those add cost

[slow sluice]

That's just one PSU that I pulled

Breakout boards are probably going to be 15-30 bucks

[dark notch]

still only 12v

no secondary rails

[slow sluice]

Is it?

[dark notch]

yes.

[slow sluice]

Some server PSUs have the necessary rails, some don't

For the ones that don't you just need to add them in

[dark notch]

which adds cost and complexity

[slow sluice]

It's not like the 3.3V and 5V rails draw a lot of power

Breakout boards

[dark notch]

find me a breakout board with 5v and 3.3v and 5vsb and -12v and -5v rails

[slow sluice]

Don't need negative rails

[dark notch]

need em for atx spec

but sti

find me one without the old rails

oh and how loud is that fan again

[slow sluice]

Very quiet

It barely needs to run

[dark notch]

for a server i'd assume its at max rom constantly

[slow sluice]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142996570957
This is for a dell PSU (about the same price), a bit more expensive than I would like but w/e

[dark notch]

also

the supermicro

is 1100W max on residential 120V

[slow sluice]

Actually lol nvm, it is supermicro

[slow sluice]

Okay?

[dark notch]

so a 1100W psu that doesnt fit in any chassis and is refurbished for $90 with hideous cables

[slow sluice]

That's just the first PSU I clicked on on eBay

You're paying 100-200 or more extra just for a different size box

[dark notch]

yeah

one that fits in a pc

and brand new with 10y warranty

not a refurb

you're paying thousands of dollars for slightly special sand

[slow sluice]

You don't get it

[dark notch]

ofc refurb liquidated psus are cheap

the msrp on that unit is $480

[slow sluice]

Where'd you find that?

Also I clicked another link
https://www.newegg.com/dell-l1100a-s0-power-supply/p/2AN-001M-00KY8

That one is new

ATX PSUs are just plain expensive, that's all there is to it

[dark notch]

on supermicro's website

"new"

T710 and R510 is like

8 years old

oh nvm its like 12 years old

overstocked liquidated server psus are cheap

i'll give you that

[slow sluice]

Yup

And quite frankly, the use case for a PSU of that wattage is probably gonna work just as well in a rack as a workstation

Only advantage of the workstation is it looks pretty

Or even in a dual PSU workstation where you could use two lower wattage PSUs. Would be more expensive than old server stock, but still cheaper than that 1.2kW unit

[grand orbit]

@unkempt lagoon you'll get a better answer in #peripherals-and-displays btw

[unkempt lagoon]

Okay I’ll ask there, thank you!

[slow sluice]

Eek, so much storage with deals

[marsh sphinx]

@slow sluice Have you seen the WD1000CHTZ drives selling new on Ebay for 35 bucks? I posted it a while back but I'm pretty sure they're still doing it, so you could post that too if you want

[slow sluice]

I haven't, but I usually avoid eBay deals

[marsh sphinx]

Bad experiences with ebay?

That sucks. I actually do a lot of my buying, and almost all my selling there

[slow sluice]

I guess it's more third party sellers I avoid for posting

[marsh sphinx]

Well I have bought from the listing 2 separate times now and it's been fine. I guess while I'm at I might as well post it since I know which listing it is

Ah screw it, trying to do anything on mobile sucks

[spark aspen]

Whats the purpose of bringing up the fact that it's on residential 120v? Lmao

It's a PSU it's supposed to step up the power lol

[obsidian crest]

Hello! I am brand new. Newegg sent the invite as I am about to pull the plug on my first gaming PC at age 50. Guess I need a little extra reassurance I am getting the right one. So far all the research I have done has led me to this.

[minor lava]

#building-and-recc-chat may be more suited for your purposes

[obsidian crest]

Oh its prebuilt do you still recommend?

Guess I cant post a link here

[grand orbit]

@obsidian crest you can dm me the link

[obsidian crest]

Done

Its a Skytech Chronos with a 3070

[grand orbit]

Okay that's a yikes

Big overpriced

[obsidian crest]

Lol even on sale?

[grand orbit]

What's your budget/what are you looking for performance wise?

That's on sale?

Even worse

[obsidian crest]

Mostly top 1440p

[grand orbit]

Okay 1 sec

[obsidian crest]

Not sure I can even see 4k at my age

[minor lava]

[grand orbit]

So if you'd like to spend 2.5k there's this https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali555/p/N82E16883360185?itemPosition=1-11&exactIndex=1 but this will do 1440p nicely for way less money, I'd get this https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565/p/N82E16883360195?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=2 @obsidian crest

[obsidian crest]

Actually I would prefer to pay much less than $2700 so let mne check those out

[grand orbit]

Then I'd grab the 2nd one

The 1st isn't really worth the money it's way less value than the 3060 ti build

[obsidian crest]

I did see the ABS was the one other brand this YouTuber didnt hate

[grand orbit]

Gamers nexus?

Yeah abs do the best stuff prebuilt wise

Skytech are overpriced and hit and miss tbh

[obsidian crest]

Yes Gamer Nexus

I would feel almost zero giult withthat ABs yoiu sent

And I used to run a company called ABS it enabled me to buy my house 20 years ago which I am getting ready to cash out on....Kizmitt

[stoic crest]

ABS is indeed good

[grand orbit]

Yeah a 3060 ti is about 90% of the performance of a 3070 so a pretty nice 1440p card

[obsidian crest]

Yes I did determin I needed at least that card ijn my research. Do you think this would out perform or perform equally as well as a PS5 please dont laugh

[stoic crest]

Would be better

[obsidian crest]

I just want access to all the games especially older polished ones

Tired of streaming with GeForce Now

[stoic crest]

PS5 is weaker than 3060ti

[obsidian crest]

Ok thx Foxy

[grand orbit]

Better

[obsidian crest]

I think I am going to go buy the sucker thanks so frigging much!!!!!

[minor lava]

[grand orbit]

Your welcome

Enjoy

[obsidian crest]

I will be back you guys/gals/whatev are awesome

[grand orbit]

:)

[thick locust]

🙂

Why discord make emoji

[torpid night]

there's a setting to turn it off

forgot where it is but it exists

[raw moat]

It's under "text and images"

[torpid night]

thanks

[dark notch]

SE

highly cursed

[slow sluice]

@dark notch why get the P34A80 drive when the sn750 is cheaper?

[dark notch]

because sn750 se is dramless

and only a 4 channel controller

[ebon stratus]

fbi.matt#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dark notch]

its a terribad ssd

[slow sluice]

No NVMe is gonna have more than four channels

[dark notch]

a glorfied SN550

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13131/the-silicon-motion-sm2262en-ssd-controller-preview

8

[slow sluice]

It's a four lane spec

[dark notch]

nand channel

not pcie

[slow sluice]

Oh lol

[dark notch]

so the SN750 SE has pcie 4.0, but cant even get 4.0 speeds because its limited by the speed of the nand and the controller

and it doesnt have dram

Max Sequential Read Up to 3600 MBps
Max Sequential Write Up to 2830 MBps

keep in mind

this is PCIe 4.0

these are 3.0 speeds

[slow sluice]

Don't buy it as a pcie 4 drive lol, that'd be dumb

It's a gen 3 drive, just with a next gen controller

[dark notch]

its a glorified sn550

[slow sluice]

Meh

[dark notch]

it even looks like a sn550

one nand package, no DRAM, lots of empty pcb

[oak sentinel]

I mean its still a good drive at a great price

[dark notch]

i'd rather have the p34a80

over it

[slow sluice]

You're acting like a sn550 is bad or something

[dark notch]

sn550 is cheap

i feel like many people think like the SN750 SE is just an updated sn750

which its not

its a worse sn750

[grave delta]

lol oops didn't see the SE

[dark notch]

just look at the pcb

both 1tb drives

look at the sheer size difference of the two controllers

[grave delta]

dram cache isn't everything - tbh I just go off of windshields's list

[oak sentinel]

physical size isnt everything

[dark notch]

[dark notch]

which tier list is this

[slow sluice]

pcie gen4 and HMB is kinda nice imo

[dark notch]

hmb?

[oak sentinel]

#storage-devices pins

[dark notch]

thats just coping with no dram

[grave delta]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide

[slow sluice]

It's using the ram the system already has

[oak sentinel]

sto
RAGE LMFAO

[dark notch]

well yes

which happens to be much slower than on package dram

[slow sluice]

How much slower though?

pcie gen 4 x4 is 8GB/s

[dark notch]

i cant exactly quantify it

its not about bandwidth

[slow sluice]

So it's about latency?

[dark notch]

yeah

access time so to speak

or seek time

whatever you call it on ssd

[slow sluice]

So cache misses are expensive

That's normal

[dark notch]

@tough bronze why is Sn750 higher tier than phison e12

[slow sluice]

Your OS is caching storage in ram anyway

[dark notch]

copium activated

if you want to buy your dramless ssd do it bro

but im just saying for $2 more get an ssd with dram

[oak sentinel]

dramless=bad is kinda dumb

look at the rand on an sn550

[dark notch]

well its more like sn750 se is dumb because its dramless

[oak sentinel]

any benchmarks to prove?

[dark notch]

shame anandtech didnt review sn550

[oak sentinel]

IDK what you on about

[dark notch]

?

review

sn550

[oak sentinel]

second link

[dark notch]

500

500 =/= 550

[oak sentinel]

Oh

im dumb

[dark notch]

FIVE HUNDRED IS NOT EQUAL TO FIVE HUNDRED FIFTY ffs

[oak sentinel]

I remember seeing an anand tech comparison tho

[slow sluice]

https://www.servethehome.com/wd-blue-sn550-1tb-review-inexpensive-nvme-taking-on-sata/
Here

[dark notch]

sn750 SE is the E19t

[slow sluice]

I like sth better anyway

[dark notch]

sn550 is a perfectly good ssd.

its much much better than sata

but its not as good as full fledged nvme ssds

[slow sluice]

bUt It'S dRaMlEsS

[dark notch]

i love patrick

he's great

[tough bronze]

what

[dark notch]

e12 > sn750

[tough bronze]

only if you're one of those clowns who thinks that read latency increases your monitor response time

[oak sentinel]

lol

[dark notch]

or at least

same performance tier

[slow sluice]

Given his thoughts on why HMB is bad, you're probably not far off

[dark notch]

its not just read latency

[tough bronze]

ok then what is it, because that's the SN750s largest weakness

[oak sentinel]

yet to see any real world benchmarks or proof

[tough bronze]

also HMB isn't a big deal at light QD

[dark notch]

it matches it in basically every catagory

[grave delta]

It's pretty hot/power hungry too

[dark notch]

HMB is fine

[tough bronze]

E12 is a controller, SN750 is an entire SSD

[dark notch]

but its just not as good as dram

reference phison e12 ssds

[tough bronze]

wow incredible observation

[dark notch]

yes?

that was my point

[tough bronze]

"reference phison e12 ssds"

wat

SN750 has much better sustained perf then quite a few E12 SSDs

actually compare 2 drives and not just say "e12" like all ssds which use the same controller perform the exact same please

[dark notch]

sorta?

i mean its barely any better

[tough bronze]

when we refer to sustained im referring specifically to native write

how the two drives behave throughout drifferent fill capacities is entirely different aswell

[grave delta]

I'd think copy would be most relevant to normie users

[tough bronze]

E12 uses dynamic SLC, and will have a large buffer when empty

SN750 uses static and will be remarkably consistent throughout different fill states

[dark notch]

sequentials?

[slow sluice]

Which would be write when cache and buffer is exhausted, yes?

[dark notch]

like full drive writes?

[tough bronze]

most of the time yep, but some drives will get stuck folding

[slow sluice]

F

[tough bronze]

the SSD tier list methedology is in the guide and you can see that sequentials play a part in how they are tiered

[dark notch]

anyways

thats beside the point

[tough bronze]

you're making a dumb blanket statement

[dark notch]

is the Sn750 SE for $98 better than the P34A80 for $100

[oak sentinel]

use case?

[dark notch]

or was it $97

[tough bronze]

doesn't really matter which one you pick

[slow sluice]

They're pretty comparable, I go with the cheaper one

[dark notch]

just buy $80 dramless pcie 3.0 then

[tough bronze]

would get the P34a80 if oyu only had PCIE 3.0

not sure how SN750-SE performance scales from 3.0-4.0

there's actually not much info on the SN750-SE at all so its position in tier-B is more like a "thats probably where it will go" once there's more reviews oni t

[slow sluice]

sn750se is a decent gen3 drive that just happens to use gen4

[dark notch]

its like a slightly glorified e13t

[tough bronze]

SN750-SE is nothing like regular SN750

[slow sluice]

Yup

[tough bronze]

yup

[slow sluice]

Which is why it should be cheaper, like it is rn

[tough bronze]

just like how the e18 is a slightly glorified e12

[dark notch]

sure

well

E16 is yeah

e18 is 12nm, extra cortex core

a lot better in randoms than e12/e16

[tough bronze]

did not get the meme

[slow sluice]

Well, E18 is a slightly glorified E16 and E16 is a slightly glorified E12, so by the transitive property of glorification the E18 is a moderately glorified E12

Did I do the math right?

[dark notch]

E18 is quite a bit different than E16

[tough bronze]

e18 is a pretty big improvement over e16 but yea for the sake of funny meme

[slow sluice]

So probably more like somewhat glorified?

[tough bronze]

Innogrit Rainier IG5236 is king

[slow sluice]

Imagine using arm smh

When are we gonna see more mainstream risc-v drives?

[dark notch]

e19t is e13t with up 50% faster nand (1200mt/s) vs 800 mt/s and pcie 4.0

barely saturates 3.0 tho

[dark notch]

phison e26 when

[slow sluice]

This was more than three years ago now 😦
https://abopen.com/news/fadu-announces-worlds-first-risc-v-ssd-controller/

[dark notch]

Minimum peak sequential write - 128KB block size: 3000MB/S

Minimum 50GB copy transfer rate (Diskbench): 600MB/s

not seeing how SN750 falls into tier a

also p5 plus is in tier S twice

[slow sluice]

Fork and make a PR lol

[tough bronze]

based on THW reviews it is

[dark notch]

[dark notch]

[tough bronze]

oops

was scrolled up

@dark notch results are actually based on this, which indicate a variation in software/test setup over time

ah, that's megabits per second

or MBps

i take that's what it is?

no

then the result would be 8 fold

[dark notch]

their testing mebbe just cursed

[tough bronze]

i would imagine possibly a software change/update

but drives tiering changes based on where they stand in newer reviews

[grave delta]

None of the values matching between graphs is a good sign

[minor lava]

is or isnt

[tough bronze]

The general trend stays the same

the SN750 review was updated more than a year ago, and was originally published even further before

[grave delta]

meltdown mitigations etc maybe?

Pretty drastic - but idk what kind of synthetic load / system that is

[tough bronze]

sean will talk abit about stuff changing like drive conditioning and what not

so stuff like that may have changed aswell

either way based on the updated info SN750 is in the right tier

the tier list methedology is kind of a "just there for credibility thing" but we try to follow it

it's still getting changed since it's not perfect and probably won't be for a while

because having a set in stone methodology for something like SSDs where performance can vary greatly based on testing methodology, firmware revision, the current cycle of the moon, etc is a little difficult

i imagine it was probably a change in diskbench though that made the difference here

[dark notch]

well anyways, i just dont see what makes the sn750 (and 970 evo tbh) a tier above the normie drives

such as e12

[tough bronze]

970 evo is B tier

[dark notch]

evo plus

[tough bronze]

e12 is not a drive its a controller

[dark notch]

drives based on the reference phison desigh

[grave delta]

Where would you place a p4510/p4610

[tough bronze]

Those U.2? it's a consumer ssd tier list except for the p5800x which is in there as a joke

[dark notch]

because if you look at stuff like the og p34a80, the inland premium, they are literally the same as the reference phison e12 design

[grave delta]

Yes

[tough bronze]

Probably S tier though considering enterprise drive

[tough bronze]

what flash does reference use lol

[dark notch]

that barely affects it

[tough bronze]

also they are legit not fast enough for A-tier but you can check

[tough bronze]

flash barely affects perf

this is epic

[dark notch]

but lemme check

bottlenecked by the controller

[tough bronze]

LOL

[dark notch]

or interface

[tough bronze]

what

SIR

that makes no sense

[dark notch]

bics3 64L is the es that anandtech got

inland has bics4

oh waits thats e12s

p34a80 e12 is the same bics3

[tough bronze]

basically all e12 drives are e12s now

[dark notch]

literally same drive as reference ed

[tough bronze]

ok

cool?

[dark notch]

like all the other e12 bar the one or two with custom firmware

[tough bronze]

go prove that they belong in A tier and maybe some will be bumped

[dark notch]

mp510 for one

[tough bronze]

i think there was one E12 drive that was in A tier for a bit, the addlink s70 but there wasn't enough recent info on it to keep there

all E12 drives are probably E12S by now, so they need some more up to date performance metrics

and when i was going through a lot of the generic E12 drives they just didnt make the cut for A-tier

evo plus does, and it's going to be even deeper in after the elpis switch

very good native write though

[dark notch]

the firecuda has custom firmware tho

:p

toms hw hasnt reviewed any other e12 drives at 1tb

but lemme see if i can find

[tough bronze]

why do we care about custom firwmare or anything

junk

e12 drives stay in b tier

[dark notch]

because firmware affects performance

[tough bronze]

with the sm2262

ok and

😎

[dark notch]

its your list

[slow sluice]

Are they? You can't verify a complex electronic circuit like that just by looking at a photo

Also, if you disagree with the list just make a PR

[dark notch]

ask anandtech

i cant xray the drive

to find every minor trace layout

[slow sluice]

Well, quick review and they're definitely not identical. Not sure if it's in an important way though

No clue if the nand is the same ofc, but given the lack of options for a good nand chip it probably is

[dark notch]

they're both bics3 toshiba

or

kIoXiA

[brittle lagoon]

as a mp510 owner, mp510 wack

[dark notch]

yes wack

[tough bronze]

X-RAY THE SN550 AND COUNT THE WORD LINES FIND OUT IF ITS BICS5

[tough bronze]

is bics3 still even on consoomer drives

would imagine its all bics4 or imft now

[dark notch]

the newer ones are bics4 yeah

and E12S mostly now

[floral wolf]

Im looking for a laptop thats 1440p and 144hz i need it for high school and collage also for games like val, cod, gta, minecraft, and light 1080p video editing

can anyone help

1,500-2,000 usd

[jolly inlet]

Doesn't exist in your budget. Best you can do is 1080p 144Hz.

[floral wolf]

ok np

[floral wolf]

would 2,500 max work

[jolly inlet]

You could get a Lenovo Legion 7 with 1440p 165Hz, AMD 5800H, RTX 3070, and 1tb of SSD for $2100

[ebon stratus]

GalaxyStrikeOut#0661 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[floral wolf]

thats nice

[floral wolf]

could i get that link

[jolly inlet]

A fairly highly recommended model too

It looks like it's a custom link that won't work when shared, you've have to choose the parts and add it to your cart yourself.

[floral wolf]

ok thx

[jolly inlet]

At least that lets you customize it too if you wanted different parts than I chose

[west coral]

Not trying to crap on the wd hard drive deals, but Newegg has started selling OEM drives for the wd, which means there is no WD 3 year warranty included.

[jolly inlet]

Oops that was the "slim" model link, here's the REAL one https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=82N6CTO1WWUS1

[floral wolf]

ok np

im guessing the slim one has higher temps

[jolly inlet]

It's also limited to the RTX 3060

The normal model can do a 3080

[floral wolf]

oh ok thanks

god i love this laptop

[upbeat hawk]

i dont think that worth

[jolly inlet]

What's not worth it is the 3080 model being $2800

[upbeat hawk]

i think 2500$ is good

[slow sluice]

Not enough, I want transistor level analysis of the nand flash. See if there are any easter eggs

No x-rays, optical or electron microscope only

[upbeat hawk]

man

kinda sad when you buy a 500ssd and it only read 480gb

[light bay]

theres a reason for that

[upbeat hawk]

ikr

the thing idk what it call read 1024 smt smt

[light bay]

yea

[slow sluice]

@west coral do you know what time tomorrow that deal expires?

[west coral]

both tomorrow @ 11:59 PST

nvm EGGFIRST lasts till the end of the year

[slow sluice]

Unfortunately not in Cali and don't feel like doing an IP spoof rn

[light bay]

Does it work from "where youre ordering from" or where you're shipping to?

I'm guessing if it's Cali exclusive it's only shipped to Cali or something

[grand orbit]

NELATIMES code is not regional tho

[tough bronze]

look at it with your eyes

[slow sluice]

@azure pond can you edit your message to include the price?

[grand orbit]

I'd avoid that Westinghouse monitor if possible, haven't heard very good things about any of their monitors

[jolly inlet]

Yeah I've only seen a couple models from them that are even worth getting. They're the bargain brand that takes the panels other brands rejected.

[slow sluice]

@merry void I love the item name on that PSU

[merry void]

👍

[slow sluice]

Gold Power Supply and A Backplane Could Be Mounted on PC Case with Magnets to Provide for Connections to All Components. Best Solution for Cable Management.

Pure gold

[brittle lagoon]

I thought there was some issue with that PSU

oh yea when reviewed, it was really loud and high emi

but not actual bad issues

[light bay]

Lol that's even louder than the leadex iii 750

[dark notch]

kitguru found the L3 750 to be pretty quiet

and even cybenetics its an "A"

which is not bad

[brittle lagoon]

yeye there's always the dba vs pitch

lower dba higher pitch noise is more annoying than higher dba lower pitch noise

[dark notch]

dba is weighted

btw

[brittle lagoon]

yes

[dark notch]

so lower pitch generally lower dba

at the same noise output

[brittle lagoon]

it's logarimithic iirc

but there's just how annoying it is

louder humming noise vs quieter high pitch noise

[brittle lagoon]

yes

[brittle lagoon]

both

higher pressure higher noise level kind of

higher frequency higher pitch

imagine it being a scale like this, @lunar thorn
Huge speaker playing bass really loud on the top left, a sharp but fairly quiet noise your smoke detector might make when battery dies on the bottom right, jet engine on the top right

[dark notch]

a mirror shows annoying

\s

[stoic crest]

99 for 3d printer

holy damn

[dark notch]

nice now you need to spend $200 and 50 hours of troubleshooting to get a decent print

[civic sun]

lol

kinda true tbh, you need to spend a lot of time with those things

[light bay]

yeah

but for $99 a ender 3 pro is a steal

[civic sun]

you can learn a lot with 3d printing

[grave delta]

If you need to spend 50 hours to get a decent print out of a stock ender 3 - the printer isn't the problem

[civic sun]

lol

[slow sluice]

Either that or the printer is completely busted, but the user is still the problem and hasn't realized

[civic sun]

one day ill get to fixing my printer 😔

[stoic crest]

@errant furnace So, where do you live in?

If the US it's easy to get a decent laptop at that range

[vague pine]

has anyone added the m27q into tech deals yet? at $290 rn on wegg

[grand orbit]

Was 269 for bit, was in then but 290$ still nais

[marsh sphinx]

[Insert gigabyte product exploding joke here]

[minor lava]

[brittle lagoon]

@civic sun really nice deal

[civic sun]

indeed, basically the price of a pc37x so why not

[brittle lagoon]

Ya

[torn needle]

Has anyone used the pc38x

If so how are they

Are they balanced

[dark notch]

balanced

[brittle lagoon]

Pc38x supposed to be pretty nice

It's fairly neutral

[dreamy sinew]

They worth the 129? I'm considering it

[brittle lagoon]

Pretty close to curve, don't remember what curve crinacle uses

Prob Harman curve

[brittle lagoon]

Great if you also have the budget to grab an amp/dac, at least a dongle.

[torn needle]

Im considering buying them for my brother as a gift

[dreamy sinew]

Thanks! Ill get em after work

[brittle lagoon]

just keep in mind it has a bit of what you may call headset tax

It's as good as a good 100$ headphone, plus a bit extra for that mic on the headphones, that kinda thing

but pc38x for 130$ is pretty great

[torn needle]

Yea

Alright i they look good

[torn needle]

Does anyone know where i can get replacements for the fosm parts that go over speakers on a pair of hd600s

[brittle lagoon]

I mean

[brittle lagoon]

you want upgraded pads or just replacement pads

because you could get like dekoni pads if you want like
https://dekoniaudio.com/product/dekoni-audio-epz-hd600-elite-velour-ear-pads-for-sennheiser-hd600-headphones/

but much cheaper to grab just replacement pads

[torn needle]

I have ghe leather version of those

I meant the part that actually covers the speaker

[brittle lagoon]

oh I'm not sure if you could actually replace those

the bits that cover the driver

[dark notch]

email

senn

[torn needle]

Its just annoying because they are super worn

Yeah i might do that

Idk why you wouldnt be able to theyre like

Tiny pieces

[civic sun]

The pc38x is a very nice headset and at that price if you were looking for a new headset why not

[uneven void]

@light bay hey so about the making new account for that 100 dollar coupon. Do you do it on the website or at the store?

[light bay]

On website afaik

[uneven void]

Ok thanks