overclocking

[modern walrus]

okay I have VVCCPLL on auto & VCCVTT set to 1.15

[south sky]

I've never had my 5700xt crash while oc'ing, since they artifact so damn early

Raising VCCPLL?

Oh VCCVTT

That one helps ring

[modern walrus]

yes everything else on auto haha

[south sky]

Raised VCCPLL is likely counter intuitive

[modern walrus]

oh well I'll remember that when I actually dial in CPU OC after these memory shenanigans end haha

[south sky]

Since VCCPLL heavily related to PCIe instability

[modern walrus]

did you mess with these VCC18 PCH or VCC1V8P settings... they say "this can be useful in certain overclocking configurations."

I was like "oh wow that might be useful... now what?" haha

[south sky]

Doubt it

[modern walrus]

I was able to get rid of the PCIe instability by messing with DRAM termination (previously mentioned) but occasionally it'll come back

[south sky]

Maybe if you are overclocking PCIe

[south sky]

Yeah it helps

[modern walrus]

hmm so you're saying the way to get POST on 1T (which will in turn allow higher frequencies) is to play with RttNom, Wr, & Park?

[south sky]

Can help

If you are having PCIe instability though, VCCPLL at 0.95~1 is a good idea

I got it with Rev.E above 4600

[modern walrus]

I think I've been looking for like "fix-all" type things that I need to accept just arent't out there

[south sky]

Oh but there is. It's called running single rank

[modern walrus]

for the longest time I was taking shots in the dark with IO/SA combinations trying to POST 4400 but I just said to hell with it & went with 4000

that's on spreadsheet two of that thing I showed you

[south sky]

I haven't done a summer oc so... this says it all

[modern walrus]

nightmare

[south sky]

Wow

[modern walrus]

lookin a little loose there haha

[south sky]

xmp

[modern walrus]

hmm

[south sky]

Problem is in summer it's over 10C hotter so I really do have to adapt to it

[modern walrus]

maybe I'll put everything on auto except command rate/SA/IO/DRAM & set frequency at 5000

& keep dropping one level to see where 1T POSTs

[south sky]

😅 5000

[modern walrus]

lol don't laugh at my dreams damn

[south sky]

It's almost impossible

With single rank

[modern walrus]

okay let me back up & ask I stupid question I should know the answer to already

two 16gb sticks... that's dual rank?

chips on both sides is dual rank right?

lol

[south sky]

Not necessarily but in most cases yes

[modern walrus]

I'm hopeless hahaha

oh so you said it's almost impossible with single rank

[south sky]

If it's a udimm and as more then 9 chips it's at least dual rank

[south sky]

Yes

I did it with a single patriot 4133 a2 stick

[modern walrus]

so it's not impossible for me, just highly improbable

[south sky]

And patriots pcb is just op

[south sky]

Pretty much impossible

[modern walrus]

and "op" means...? lol

[south sky]

over powered!

[modern walrus]

ah

okay

[south sky]

I did 4533 with the patriots on the z390 aorus pro

I don't have to say more

It's a t-top 4 layer

[modern walrus]

I think Discord is for people after my generation haha

[south sky]

What do you mean?

[modern walrus]

I'm too old to be down with lingo

nevermind

so 5000 ftw

(learned what ftw was on Discord btw)

when I got my EVGA GPU I'm like FTW3 that's cool

didn't click until later

[south sky]

good luck

[modern walrus]

no for real tho you think 4600 is a decent place to start coming down from?

5k is nonsense I know

[south sky]

4600 is high too for dr, though people have done it on other boards

[modern walrus]

4500?

[south sky]

Who knows what'll work on this board

It's weird

[modern walrus]

I do like this board because my Z490 couldn't do 51x all core but this one could

still no idea why

my bin is pretty bad tho. I need 1.415 vCore to hit 51x, which is like 1.305v VRVOUT

Boot failure detected. No surprise there

do you set training voltage btw?

[south sky]

whew that's high voltage

[south sky]

I don't need to

[modern walrus]

ya... they say don't bother delid 10900K but I think mine could be exception

looking back on this sheet of crazy I was able to POST 4400 a few times

might have to retry those settings now that I know more about getting PCIe errors to go away

thanks again btw

[south sky]

No problem!

[south sky]

I think it'd help mine too

[modern walrus]

would be pretty crappy to destroy it by accident tho

[south sky]

Yeah mine is a really good bin too

5.1 1.21v

[modern walrus]

wow

ya that makes mine look like straight trash haha

my 5900x is decent bin tho I think

hopefully that'll make Master Forks slightly happy haha

do SA/IO help with POSTing 1T?

is 1T a timing that scales with voltage...?

[south sky]

It's a 10850K too which is nuts

[south sky]

It can

[modern walrus]

I keep hearing how good that CPU is

[flat pawn]

this is what my cpu is reading at right now

with nothing going on

The clock speed for VRAM seems weird to me

[potent fiber]

Times it by 4 or 8 & then it's not so weird, unless you meant it's weirdly high.

[proven canopy]

Ian dailies this fwiw https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816767275843452948/927306606184656936/20220102_154032.jpg

[zenith palm]

[woeful nest]

So I have a motherboard that supports 4800mhz ram but I have 2 sticks of 6000mhz can I overclock my motherboard so it supports 6000mhz or do I have to underclock the ram

[zenith palm]

You cannot overclock your motherboard, you should be able to enable xmp, might need to adust some voltages to get it to work tho

[proven canopy]

Not great, not terrible, had 8L to burn off https://hwbot.org/submission/4894993_forks_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_9900k_52909_points

[humble jay]

Ya beat buildzoid at least

[clever epoch]

Somebody teach me how to get DDR4-4800 stable on this 12700k before I blow away my last brain cell

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845104892946546728/927722390916583454/unknown.png

1R S8B, 1.3V VCCSA, 1.6 vDIMM, 0.775 VTT

This errors after a couple minutes

[sudden torrent]

1.6v on vdimm? You must have good airflow to keep that stable

[clever epoch]

open bench, Arctic P12 directly on the DIMMs

never go above 40C on the sensor

[clever epoch]

I loosed up all the secondaries and terts from this, bumped tCL to 18, and it will still error at least once within 5-10 minutes

I've tried 1.65V, doesn't make a difference

I tried RTTs a little bit. Previously, reducing them helped improve stability, but I had to increase RTTs with this BIOS for previously stable OCs. I didn't mess with the RTTs much yet because I don't really know what I'm doing with those

And if I loosen tCL to 19 or more, it just fails to POST

[proven canopy]

What kit is it? Very few retail kits can do 4800 reliably without binning, lol.

I know it's alder lake, but I'd think the ram still has to be up to the task.

[south sky]

Crucial disagrees :)

[modern walrus]

is 7-Zip not a benchmark anyone cares about on HWbot?

was all proud I got 5th & doesn't even show up on Wegg submissions. heck

[clever epoch]

FlareX 3200 14-14-14 bin

I know you need binning, but this kit was doing so well right up to 4600, it's heartbreaking to stop right there lol

[tall pelican]

Between bdie and the imc, probably not going to be able to be daily stable tbh

And z690 bioses being generally garbage across the board

[proven canopy]

Lol, true, I meant b-die

[simple schooner]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083NPX9TJ?ref=nb_sb_ss_w_as-ypp-rep_ypp_rep_k0_1_5&amp&crid=31BFBI0OTT277&amp&sprefix=oloy+

what can i overclock these to

[zenith palm]

3200cl16 maybe 3600cl18

[simple schooner]

what are these rn?

like what their CAS

[zenith palm]

cl=cas

[simple schooner]

ik

[zenith palm]

it says 3000mhz cl16

[simple schooner]

oh

i see

i have 2600x on b450m board can i do 3600mhz?

[zenith palm]

no

[simple schooner]

and can i do 3000mhz 14cl?

[zenith palm]

3200cl16 should work tho

[zenith palm]

lol noooooooooooooooo

[simple schooner]

oh

wait

so can i even tighten timings?

[zenith palm]

ehhh

maybe

probably not much

3200cl16 probs best you can get

[simple schooner]

oh

[zenith palm]

maybe tighter than xmp timings tho

[simple schooner]

16-18-18-36 is this one

[zenith palm]

you might be able to get 3200 16 17 17 36 stable but i doubt it

[simple schooner]

okay

[zenith palm]

you can tighten secondaries tho

like tfaw and stuff

[simple schooner]

so should i just boost to 3200 then

and leave timings alone

[zenith palm]

id get to 3200 first

then testmem 5 extreme anta

if that passes with no errors

[simple schooner]

go in reverse

what is 5 extreme anta

[zenith palm]

then try 1 timing down 1 test again

[zenith palm]

testmem 5 is a ram stress test, extreme anta is the profile

[simple schooner]

oh

idk how to do all that

so should i just stick to overclocking the mhz

[zenith palm]

you just download testmem 5, choose extreme anta profile and let it run

[simple schooner]

ok

[clever epoch]

I did 3466 14-14-14 on my 1700X + X370

you should be able to do 3000 14-14-14, if your memory is capable of it

[south sky]

Their memory likely won't be, it's a 3000 c16 oloy kit...

[clever epoch]

oof

[sudden torrent]

Could probably do 3200c16 at least

[potent fiber]

Yep, 200MHz a lot easier than 16 to 14 cL lol

[clever epoch]

Any insight on how to tweak RTTs and ODTs (or other obscure settings) on Intel for high frequency (4500+)?

S8B 1R, Z690 Edge, 12700k

I know that on AM4, reducing ProcODT makes it a bit harder to train, but allows more aggressive timings. Curious if there are similar settings on Z690 and how to tweak those

At this point I'll settle for ycruncher stable (without maxmem)

Also running super low (<36) procODT with high vDIMM can degrade IMC apparently

[zenith palm]

Easiest quickest fix was actually just running Windows troubleshooter, actually worked

[proven canopy]

Took the wr gold from dual epyc. Can do wtrs 3, wtrl 6, cwl 12, and 4.3 core, but maybe with the rad out the window. https://hwbot.org/submission/4896644_forks_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_ryzen_threadripper_3990x_106.396_fps

[latent wave]

Is this artifacting or just bad shadows

[zenith palm]

I'd guess artifacting although sometimes hard to tell

[dull ginkgo]

try changing shadow settings and/or AA settings

and texture settings

[proven canopy]

Never seen "normal" artifacting due to unstable OC look like that. Try time spy gt2

[dull ginkgo]

It kind of reminds me of effects on further away objects when the object LOD setting is turned down

[zenith palm]

What should i expect with rev e C9BJZ btw?

[zinc monolith]

ree

before you ask, no its not clocking that high. I just broke task manager

[potent fiber]

It's often brainless like that.

[south sky]

How do you know it's C9BJZ?

If you are using thaiphoon it's likely lying

Claims my 2x16 3200 rev.e kit is C9BJZ, which isn't correct

[sterile flame]

what die is 1 die?

thats all it says for me in thaiphoon

manufacturer is samsung

or is it just 1 die

[zenith palm]

Ahh okay i was using taiphoon, I'll try check the sticker

[zenith palm]

In my experience taiphoon is terrible at guessing Samsung dies especially, what kit do you have?

[sterile flame]

corsair vengeance lpx 3200

[zenith palm]

I can almost guarantee samsung c die but if you send me a picture of the label on the stick of ram i can tell you for sure

[south sky]

Sticker won't tell you either

[dull ginkgo]

Ver 4.32 supposed to be Samsung c die it seems

[zenith palm]

Ohh dam how am i supposed to know then?

[south sky]

You don't

[zenith palm]

Ahh well then

[potent fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/50first-dates-i-cant-read-i-just-cant-read-adam-sandler-henry-roth-gif-21316867

[timber hound]

I got a potato cpu it can't OC past 1866mhz fclk

😔 I thought I got 1900mhz stable but it started getting wheas after 30mins of stress test

Any recommendations? I'm unsure what voltages work best, undervolting VDDP seemed to help it last longer without errors though

[proven canopy]

How is that potato? You're losing all of 33mhz

Post a zentimings window

[tall pelican]

depends on a lot of factors other than just cpu tbh

my 5800x can do ~2000 with sr mem, 1900 with dr and 1866 with qr

[timber hound]

I can boot with up to 2000 but it gets wheas like crazy

[timber hound]

are my voltages too low? I'm using SR mem

[south sky]

not from what I can see

[zenith palm]

Lower procodt to 40 ohms, then i can't tell exactly what youf soc vddp voltages are but try
Vsoc 1.125v
Cldo vddp 1.05
Vddg ccd 1.065
Vddg iod 1.065

[timber hound]

Rn they are 1.2v, 1.1v, 0.94v, 1.1v

That's what I set in ryzen master at least xD

[zenith palm]

Change them to what i said, soc above 1.15 and 1.25v can have negative effects

[timber hound]

Getting whea errors still :/

[zenith palm]

Ohh yeah, don't use ryzen master, delete it and use bios

[timber hound]

I'm used to OCing an FX9370 relearning all this is oof

Thanks for the help

I thought in the last 9 years they Advanced enough that ryzen master could be used instead of bios xD

[zenith palm]

The software is useable but i don't see software ever becoming as good as bios

[timber hound]

Fair enough

[cold jolt]

whats wrong with ryzen master? seems easy to use and fine for testing, right?

couldnt imaging having to restart your whole pc just to change a single thing in bios to test it

[timber hound]

Ryzen master requires a reboot to adjust settings BUT if it was unstable or failed to boot you could easily disable the OC instead of resetting cmos every failed attempt

Which is why I did it

[cold jolt]

for every setting adjustment?

even so, me trying to help a friend through some absolutely dogs*** msi gui is pain.

i wish gui bioses would vanish from existence

[short blade]

so I want to oc my intel 11th gen laptop igpu but the only sensor I have is VID

stock is 1450mhz with VID 1.0v and I can run -20mV undervolt tested stable

so if I run this 1700mhz it shows VID 1.31v

[timber hound]

You can change them to text only right?

[short blade]

is that +300mV offset applied after VID or to VID?

I briefly tested it before restarting and reverting because I was afraid it could be 1.61V

is it better to just stay safe and not oc if the only sensor available is VID?

[zenith palm]

Gui bios? Wdym by that

[zenith palm]

I mean you gotta restart every time and you can use a command to reboot to bios instead and put it in a bat file ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[short blade]

1650MHz with +75mV offset had 1.088 VID

game crashed

1700mV with +150mV offset 1.16 VID

so yeah I think the VID includes the offset

[cold jolt]

anything that doesnt look like a bios from 2006

anything that doesnt look like this

is bad imo

[zenith palm]

Can you not use tab and arrow keys on most modern bios's too tho?

[cold jolt]

doesnt change the fact that the layouts are confusing as hell

i shouldn't have to use the tab key tf

[zenith palm]

Fair lol

[sudden torrent]

Voltage adjustment in RM is cringe. You can't really adjust LLC and other things outside bios too.

[cold jolt]

i see

[clever epoch]

no memory either

and no presets that you can apply on startup

and their stress test is a joke

MSI bios is confusing at first, I do prefer Asus layout. But after you get through the confusing layout, I like it

[short blade]

LEGENDARY LOL

[timber hound]

Wow

[sudden torrent]

Well with only a few data points from that model of Intel graphics...

[proven canopy]

what happened there?

[timber hound]

Sadly getting wheas at those voltage settings @sudden torrent 😕

Woops

Meant someone else, sorry

How is procodt adjusted in bios? I can't find it

[sudden torrent]

Usually it's under some advanced memory overclock menu. If MSI, then you need to enable the advanced options first on the main overclock menu.

[timber hound]

Found it

Asrock, it's under memory timings section

[zenith palm]

Wow that's like 1/3 of an r9 380 lol

[timber hound]

As integrated xD

[sudden torrent]

Also mobile for that matter

[short blade]

ran it on integrated graphics

[timber hound]

For some reason my vSOC runs 0.03v lower than what I set it to

[sudden torrent]

That's called droop, it's normal

You can reduce the droop by increasing your load line calibration setting

[timber hound]

Ah

It's lasting longer before/between wheas does that mean it's more stable?

[short blade]

yeah, it's not even UHD 750, it's unnamed

not sure why

they could have named it UHD 755 or something lol

[sudden torrent]

Possibly. It could also indicate a voltage is too high, making it unstable later in the test

More voltage = more heat

[timber hound]

Yea I'm getting 68°C peak temps

Ambient is 16.5C

[sudden torrent]

Not cpu temp so much as memory temp

[timber hound]

I have fans on the ram, but true I will check the temps

[zenith palm]

Bottom of mem settings

[timber hound]

Yee I figured it out 🙂

[zenith palm]

Nice

[timber hound]

Should vSOC go below 1 volt if I'm trying to overclock fclk?

[sudden torrent]

My soc is at 1.025v with fclk at 1900. Ymmv, but more isn't always better

[zenith palm]

Damm

1.1v is usually the starting point

[sudden torrent]

I was just as surprised tbh. But it actually got less stable above 1.1v

[zenith palm]

Interesting

[sudden torrent]

It was the same with vddg. 1.05v was fine but any higher wouldn't pass. Currently at 0.95v

[zenith palm]

Ahh, according to memtesthelper on github, vddg should be at least 40mv over vsoc so i guess that makes sense

[timber hound]

Yea I will try a bit higher then

I can only set vsoc in 0.01v increments

Is that normal?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[timber hound]

Okay someone recommended starting at 1.125v lol

[sudden torrent]

That's still technically a safe voltage

[zenith palm]

Well since 1.1v wasn't stable for you yeah

You can try less i guess

[potent fiber]

That gpu to CPU score ratio is hilarious.

[short blade]

yeah i'm not sure why the cpu score is lower than usual though i wonder if the igpu affects it somehow

exact same laptop

[potent fiber]

I've found that cpu/gpu effects eachother somewhat, and/or 3dmark isn't perfect for giving a score also. That cpu drop is nuts though. I've been doing a bunch of 3dmark for the big 3gen to 11gen change

[zenith palm]

Could make sense, more heat from igpu

[short blade]

shouldn't be a factor during cpu test though

0.1W idle

[zenith palm]

I mean there's still stuff graphics wise to render tho

Idk

[short blade]

and peak cpu temp was 79C so no heat soak problems

maintained 4.6ghz all core for the whole run

[zenith palm]

Ahh gotcha

[short blade]

my power limit is set insanely high

so shouldn't be any issues with igpu stealing power budget

and that's evident by the cpu clock graph being completely flat

[proven canopy]

Any of you guys running x58? There's an ambient cooling comp. https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1693/official-x58-competition-warp9-systems

[steel zephyr]

I got legendary for this one. LOL https://www.3dmark.com/spy/25373329

[short blade]

lmao

[proven canopy]

3dmark vantage gpu score just got added as a bench https://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance_(gpu)/rankings?cores=1#start=0#interval=20

Pick up some hardware points 🙂

[proven canopy]

Knocked a bit of time off the ycruncher score, subbed for those season points, can't let seby keep the lead https://hwbot.org/submission/4901436_forks_y_cruncher___pi_1b_ryzen_threadripper_3990x_10sec_848ms

[idle sierra]

hello

need help oc gpu

[timber hound]

What gpu?

[zenith palm]

Download 3d mark on steam
And msi afterburner
Push gpu power all the way too the right, +core in 50's til ya crash, dial back 15 til stable
Then once you get core do mem or vice versa
Start with +500 on mem, +100 until unstable, dial back til stable,
Run timespy every time you make change (except the power)
run 3x timespy or like 10 mins in furmark/occt gpu mode to make sure final one is stable before switching for core to mem or mem to core

[idle sierra]

Thank

[zenith palm]

Welc

[faint tangle]

If this isn't pinned it should be

[zenith palm]

I mean the start values and + values aren't universal they were just rough ones ik would work on 3080 cuz that's what they got

[faint tangle]

Ah

[proven canopy]

Use a binary search approach for testing clocks - test an optimistic value, if that fails, test halfway between that and your low estimate, repeat.

Time spy graphics test 2 works well for core + mem, remember that you can see performance regression before instability, especially with memory.

[zealous shadow]

can someone dig through my HWiNFO log and tell me what im missing. My pc keeps getting wonky when i run something Fullscreen for a while. I reset the clock ratios to default and nothing changed, i even set it to auto and nothing, so im not sure if its OC related but something fishy is going on.

[zenith palm]

Sure send a screenshot

[zenith palm]

For thermal pad replacement should i try find/buy a caliper to find thickness or do you think a ruler would be accurate enough?

[elder crane]

You need a certain thickness for a specific purpose? I expect they are made in certain. Thicknesses and you can get a pretty good idea based on a scale ruler. But if you don't have a thickness gauge, it's useful to have from time to time.

[zenith palm]

Yes, if you replace thermal pads and thickness not right you'll either bend the pcb/metal if they're too big, or not make contact at all if too small

[elder crane]

Harbor freight thickness scale I bought years ago for less than $20. It came with a nice wooden case and all. Not a bad investment.

and if it saves you just 1 PCB it pays for itself many times over

[zenith palm]

Well i don't neeed to do it so if it's not safe i just wont tbh

[elder crane]

https://www.harborfreight.com/digital-micrometer-63647.html

Mine is not digital and was cheaper.

Micrometer, I couldn't recall the term

[zenith palm]

I'll have a look into one, not particularly looking forward to spending much money on something I'll probs use once maybe twice

[elder crane]

You'll be surprised. I've found a use for it about once a year. But I bought it when I needed it for work regularly

[zealous shadow]

thats the log file i started logging, ran furmark and it crashed as expected

[zenith palm]

I cannot check that , on phone

[zealous shadow]

kk

[proven canopy]

Different brands of pads will compress differently, can't go 100% by manufacturer spec, just have to press the card to the cooler and test fit.

[zenith palm]

That's fair, ive found couple measurements online with varying degree but i might just leave for the moment and see how the repaste will help

[steel zephyr]

A 3770K is a bit of a bottleneck.... https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1391420

I guess I should skip the I3-3240

[wintry chasm]

anyone else getting free upgrades to their internet? Oo

[potent fiber]

Nice upload. No, just the usual 360Mbps DL on service labeled as 300. Although in the past there was a "free" upgrade from 75 to 100+.

[wintry chasm]

ctc has set me no info on higher speeds. after my internet was down last week for a few hours, it came back up to the new higher speeds. I am supposed to be getting 250d/250u

[potent fiber]

Try speedtest or some other place. That's a huge difference, lol.

[dull ginkgo]

speeds are also just wacky from day to day

I sometimes get 400/100, sometimes 500/500, sometimes 500/100, sometimes 100/100, who knows

[wintry chasm]

ok chillin https://www.speedtest.net/result/12597760596.png

[potent fiber]

Looks like you basically have gigabit now almost for some reason, lol. Which router & modem are you using though?

[wintry chasm]

modem/router combo comes from my isp, no numbers listed on the outside of the device at all. I had to find that info by logging in. but here it is since you asked. it looks like ps2 lol

[potent fiber]

I have the infamous arris sb6190 & still on my old r6400v2 netgear. Soon I'll have a modern wifi 6 router. Nice speed & ping you have though. Almost 3 times mine, plus typical sub-50mbit UL.

[wintry chasm]

never dreamed i would ever be able to afford these speeds, never mind seeing them in the realworld for residential. eh

if it matters, its costing me around 95$us a month

[potent fiber]

Not bad. Promo ended so last I saw I pay $60ish, but might go back to 100mbit. Not much competition around here. DLing games faster isn't a big deal lately

[wintry chasm]

also I had to get some upgraded ethernet cord that my friend just had laying around if you can believe it, my old ethernet cord was only letting me get 100mbps

[potent fiber]

Yikes, but possible. A short enough cat5e can do gigabit, so who knows

[wintry chasm]

why do you say the arris is infamous

[potent fiber]

The 6190 has Intel puma 6 chipset, supposedly had latency issues or something. Been fine though. I've had it since 2018ish

[wintry chasm]

ah

this is exactly what it looks like

[potent fiber]

Wow, quite a model. I've just done separate units for convenience.
If I did get another, probably the Motorola MB8611 I think it is, runs cooler at least but also more expensive than a certain comparable Arris model

[wintry chasm]

according to the "internet" its called Calix 844G-1

I have cat 6 ethernet

something about certified to ansi/tia-568-c.2, tested to 600 mhz at 502 ft. Oo

talk about technical speak lol

[potent fiber]

That's common c.2 is like the connector ends and 600Mhz if true means it's quality. Example, my cat5e cord says 568-A & 350Mhz. My monoprice cat6 cables are c.2 ends & labeled 550Mhz. Basically cat5e is good for 10gig but not very far, cat6 is a lot better on average (for 10gig networking).

[wintry chasm]

ok, ty for the quick info. I did not know that

[modern walrus]

I have the 3600c14 set on 5900x; a 2x16gb Bdie 4000c17-18-18-38@1.4 on 10900K; & 2x16gb DJR 4400c19-26-26-46@ 1.45 on 10700KF. I have tried OC on all three... I have to have some winning stuff somewhere if I can get it right

neither the 10700KF nor the 10900K seems willing to run anything north of 4000mhz tho & it's frustrating as hell

[proven canopy]

I want to see you take the #1 7zip on the 5900x

[modern walrus]

as soon as I finish getting Sharex I'll head over to BIOS

or that can wait will head to BIOS now

gonna start dropping sds now

[proven canopy]

nvm, thought you said scl

[modern walrus]

ah I was going in order of your earlier suggestions

do I need all three anta777 cycles or is one enough?

[proven canopy]

Depends if you're testing for daily stable or 7zip, if you just want to take #1, as long as you get the score, that's all that matters

[modern walrus]

I'll focus on getting number 1 then retune for daily later

damn sds at 5 won't POST

Do all timings scale with voltage on bdie?

[proven canopy]

Like I said, try 6/6 for sd's, rest at 1

sd = same dimm, dd = different dimm

[modern walrus]

ah okay thought you said 6/6 then keep dropping them

my mistake

are they better 1:1? I think I had them at 5/6

my bad for all the questions, I'm sure you don't like babysitting the noobs

last question (for real): where should the outer limits of fixed voltage be on 5900x for all-core?

[proven canopy]

I did - but no guarantees on what you'll find stable

No, 4/6 or 6/4 is common

[modern walrus]

just POSTed 6/4

have you OC DJR?

[proven canopy]

I have not. Really only meta for max valid freq

You can tune it such that's it's decent for intel daily gaming oc, but kinda pointless other than the cool factor or 5000mhz daily

[modern walrus]

I dunno why but I can't get either intel CPU to POST over 4000. I might get 4200 to work for a little while but it'll go nuts with errors

I've tried so many SA/IO combinations it's nuts

[proven canopy]

Just start at 1.35/1.45 for benching

[modern walrus]

& now that I got a fairly decent mem OC, I can't get my 51 all-core CPU OC to hold anymore.

I tried copying Fritz's numbers since he had same CPU & motherboard but got nowhere

[proven canopy]

Those look like 11th gen daily oc numbers, hard to say

[modern walrus]

gotta be honest, not sure if that's a good or bad thing

on overclock.net, 11900K was putting up some pretty high frequencies but

still 11900K

[modern walrus]

I think I'm gonna have to take the FCLK/MCLK desync plunge

[short blade]

anyone know why my friend's i5-11600K is stuck at 3.8ghz? tried disabling everything related to turbo, setting manual core multiplier and fixed vcore, setting manual 4095W PL, tried all power plans, cpu temp is at 75C (prime95), vrm temp is at 57C

gigabyte z590 ud ac

[short blade]

yeah thanks I forwarded them but didn't fix

[modern walrus]

was about to get you not sideways pictures haha

[short blade]

suspecting the windows install he moved over from his 4770k

[modern walrus]

hmm I dunno if I missed anything... let me check again

cuz mine will run at 50x like I tell it to

is he setting a multiplier?

cuz if you leave it on auto it goes to 3.7ghz for me too

[short blade]

stuck at 3.8 regardless of set multiplier

and base clock is 3.9

he gets correct boost behavior in linux but not windows

so it's something about windows

[modern walrus]

it could be nothing or it could be the issue: disable memory integrity in Windows Security. My computer was acting all sorts of strange before I did

Windows Security>Security at a glance>Device security>Core isloation>Core isolation details>Memory integrity off

[latent wave]

Why is it that when I raise the mem past a certain point, I get a lower time spy score despite it being stable?

[modern walrus]

define stable

[modern walrus]

I get similar effect when I bump voltage to 1.6+ & run flat 14s. My guess is even tho it runs, it's not very stable. Either that or the really high voltage is no good

[latent wave]

I mean gpu mem

1hr kombuster stable

[short blade]

error correcting

[latent wave]

Okay so there’s an optimal value so just okay with it

[short blade]

the gpu tries to prevent itself from crashing but spends more time error correcting

so you lose perf

yes

[latent wave]

Play* with it

Okay got it thanks

[short blade]

np

[modern walrus]

I dunno why that memory integrity thing matters, but I wasn't even able to run 51x all-core with it on

[short blade]

asked him to try it when he gets home

thank you king

[modern walrus]

if that doesn't work I'm out of ideas

lol

somehow I kinda got my mojo back with 51x... now I'm gonna play the LLC v. vCore game to find the sweet spot

party time, excellent

[short blade]

his cooler isn't good enough to realistically do an OC better than stock

[latent wave]

Is it the save thing with core or just go as high as I can go

[short blade]

but since it wasn't boosting correctly i had him try setting an all core ratio to see if he could override it that way

it didn't work

[short blade]

just downclock when you see lower performance

use 3dmark or something

[latent wave]

Yeahs thanks what I use

[short blade]

just keep adjusting it until you have the optimal score

if +1000 and +1100 score the same try +1050

for example

[modern walrus]

wait so you just want stock again? load optimized, write down settings or something, & load whatever (I assume memory OC?) from profile & fill settings in?

[short blade]

even at stock his pc is stuck at 3.8 on windows

works properly on linux

[modern walrus]

very strange.

[proven canopy]

How's 7 zip coming along?

[zenith palm]

So i was trying to do y cruncher as a quick mem stress test to do before bothering with tm5, and it said coefficient too large after like 45 seconds, what's up with that?

Was running pi -2.5b btw with c malloc() and auto for framework -taken from buildzoid vid

Worked fine the 2nd time ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven canopy]

Instability often gives that error message.

[zenith palm]

Ahh that would make sense it crashed tm5

[proven canopy]

But yeah, might as well run ycruncher , IME 10b is extremely picky with finding instability, I had to run much, much lower memory OCs, though you might not have enough mem to run it.

I think we should have a newegg community 7zip ambient oc contest by core count.

5ghz limit for intel, unsure on clock limit for amd

<@&896784369820250114> thoughts?

[ruby summit]

sounds fun

[proven canopy]

Newegg community 7zip competition

Rules: Include a cpuz cpu, memory, and spd tab as well as an astc/zentimings window.
Rig pic optional, but plz include for the flex.
Must be a valid hwbot submission.

Scores:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zCTURYZXw8eJweKLQeUjSbnLhnNCKAHCGFpphhSCe8M/edit?usp=sharing

Thoughts: maybe 7zip isn't the best candidate for this as it scales so much with raw core speed, maybe aida latency instead? or have everyone drop down to 6 cores at 4.2 ghz?

[sterile flame]

that'd give me a good reason to start messing with hardware again, ive pretty much been doing nothing the past few weeks lol

[proven canopy]

Do you have any x58? there's a warp9 comp for that going on now as well

[sterile flame]

Yea but I dont have any unlocked CPUs for that platform

I could do BCLK though? im not familiar with the rules for that competition

[proven canopy]

I'm pretty new to that platform as well, but sounds like 32nm xeons or i7 extremes are meta.

Yeah, bclk is very much a part of oc'ing those chips, most boards do up to ~200 bclk apparently

There's both an ambient and sub0 category

[sterile flame]

jeez really? i'll have to try it out then. I have a w3520 and a i7 940 i could try

[proven canopy]

My current best, still need to work on os effi/ wazza technique https://i.imgur.com/BpfOEGd.png

Top score is just under 7 mins with hypers

[modern walrus]

I got up to 4th place but I'm having trouble getting any higher

Sharex has same HDR problem

I'll give it another go tomorrow. I don't know if I can get much better on memory & I can't get 47.5x all-core stable long enough without more voltage so I might be stuck unless I go crazy & desync FCLK (tho I obviously don't know how high I can get memory frequency yet)

[proven canopy]

Spreadsheet is set up

[modern walrus]

will submit now

ah I gotta reload my OC profile from BIOS so ZenTimings make sense

wait no I don't that's already on HWbot

haven't slept much bear with me

wait no don't have zentimings... I'll just redo it

[proven canopy]

If someone wants to make a fancy looking competition background, that'd be great

[modern walrus]

I'll see what I can come up with. Not the most artistic haha

[proven canopy]

e.g. gskill made this for their last comp https://i.imgur.com/H0hQWD0.jpeg

as well as https://i.imgur.com/rrdlA9M.jpeg

[modern walrus]

damn that's bad ass

[proven canopy]

Yeah, most of the comp backgrounds are beautifully done

[modern walrus]

ya those are real hard to beat

[modern walrus]

speaking of hard to beat, this dude is gonna be hard to beat since he's willing to run his processor at 48.25 all-core at 1.45v. I was worried about running 1.3125v

[proven canopy]

Yeah, not worth degrading, lol at that max temp, pretty sure that's not pbo

I'm thinking of making a max all core clock for amd for the comp

Or just PBO only, idk

[modern walrus]

ya that would make it all about the memory OC instead of who's willing to throw their CPU in a furnace

[proven canopy]

That's the intention, not sure on the numbers yet.

[modern walrus]

ah okay then I won't put anything on the sheet yet

cuz I was using all-core not PBO

[proven canopy]

example screenshot done https://i.imgur.com/mrikf4X.png

[modern walrus]

my dumbass cut off part of a CPU-Z

[proven canopy]

You can use benchmate 10.8 unless you're on 12th gen

[proven canopy]

Another idea, everyone just drops their chip down to 6 cores or something and we leave out the valid hwbot link rule so we don't need core count categories

[humble jay]

Huh

Seems like ryzen is super good against alder lake

[proven canopy]

Interesting, 1t-2T only dropped <1k score

[worldly wasp]

lol

just a quick test run

with discorn open and live plex transcode

watching anime when bench = based

[proven canopy]

Odd, 4400c14 with somewhat similar secondary/terts gets 72k compression scores vs 98k at 38c14

I'm finally getting around to binning my dr b-die, trying to decide a methodology

[proven canopy]

shoutout to seby for demolishing the fse single card record https://hwbot.org/submission/4904155_

[zenith palm]

I'll try 10b but 2.5b was good anyway

[vestal glacier]

I’m using a 2400g while waiting for a gpu. I was playing around with overclocking the graphics core. I got an additional 8-10 fps out of it, but my texts would drop significantly. Is this to be expected?

[worldly wasp]

texts?

[vestal glacier]

Textures sorry

[vestal glacier]

So finally won a shuffle today have a gpu coming. I’ll be able to switch out that 2400g for my 5600x. Still new to all this tho. Does anybody have any good links to overclocking basics? Or should I just let software auto overclock?

[dull ginkgo]

Its in the pins
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/index

[vestal glacier]

Lmao I was just going through the pins. I’m a refer tech and seeing all the pics of the pcs with the refer systems on them is great! I actually felt like I knew something here!

[dull ginkgo]

There are some fun cooling systems on showcase in the pins

[zealous shadow]

💀

[zenith palm]

Bro that was ages ago could you just send a screenshot instead?

I forgot and am basically always on mobile when talking lol

[proven canopy]

GT740 GDDR5 Hardmodding #2: 2Mods2Furious
https://www.twitch.tv/mickulty

[proven canopy]

3dmark score calculator
https://elmor.se/3dmark

[zenith palm]

Anyone got a non k cpu and z690 to test this out?
https://youtu.be/8diXDeTDCbo

If it's confirmed on more boards? 12700f at 330$ is looking really good

[humble jay]

I’m buying 12100

[zenith palm]

What board you gonna have it on?

[humble jay]

z690 apex

for competitive overclocking purposes, then maybe later i'll put it in a daily system with b660 asus if that still supports bclk oc

[zenith palm]

The b660 tuf didn't unfortunately

[humble jay]

[worldly wasp]

only works on hero and up

yeah bro "CHANGES EVERYTHING"

imma head out buy a 12400 and a Z690 hero

game chaning

amd ded

[zenith palm]

sadge

[tall pelican]

look at this non-k overclocking, where you can save $30 on a cpu
limited to $500+ mobos

[sudden torrent]

Still useful info for overclockers trying to set bench records. Odds are if you're the target audience you have a board with the requisite external clock generator already. The overclock wouldn't be worth it for daily use, you could just get a cheaper Z690 and K sku cpu for the same price.

[potent fiber]

12700K for me seems at least $380, so the one at $330 is looking mighty good, step way down to the 12400(F).

[modern walrus]

what does typical SA/IO look like to run 4500+ on memory for 10th gen intel?

[proven canopy]

I bench up to 1.45/1.55 ambient, haven't seen any degradation whatsoever in maybe 30 hours+ of combined ambient and ln2 benching hard, but you might not need that much. Try 1.35/1.5 to start, 1.4/1.5 should be totally safe for bench sessions.

[modern walrus]

thank you. I'm at 1.34/1.46 rn & I still can't get anything over 4200 to get into windows

[proven canopy]

What vdimm?

Also what board?

Also dual rank is tough, I couldn't get even 4000c12 2x16 to be useable

[modern walrus]

bdie 2x16gb; Aorus Z590 Ultra

ya but c12 lol

[proven canopy]

You're going to need fans on the dimms for dual rank over 1.45 volts or so, also try lowering vtt slightly. e.g. 1.6 vdimm .75-.8 vtt. Auto is 1/2

[modern walrus]

thank you sir

[timber hound]

That's crazy xD

Congrats

[modern walrus]

I have a 80mm Noctua blowing down on the DIMMs but with anta777 or PCBDestroyer, I'm seeing 50c on DIMM temp sensors... not enough

[proven canopy]

Yeah, aim for < 40c lol

[modern walrus]

ya I think I might throw another 2 80mm fans or accept my fate & waterblock. I really don't wanna have some random 120mm hanging with zip ties, put one of those Corsair coolers on, or get some loud 70-80mm server fans

I'm gonna see if I can stay at 4200c15 with lower DRAM voltage

[proven canopy]

That's aggressive, aim for 42 c16 first maybe

Guessing you'll need 1.6 or so, depends on bin.

[modern walrus]

I got 4200c15 to POST at 1.57

but ya probably not happening much if at all lower than 1.57

[proven canopy]

I would try for 1.35 io, up to 1.5 sa daily.

[timber hound]

Finally got my cpu to hit 5.0GHz! Took me a while to find what it likes

[proven canopy]

For bench? or daily

I assume you run pbo daily?

[zenith palm]

Laughs in rev e not worrying about temps

[timber hound]

daily yea

[proven canopy]

laughs in 14 rcdrd and rp 🙂

[timber hound]

only curve optimizer and +maximum frequency

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

[proven canopy]

Ah nice, was hoping you weren't going to reply with "yeah, 5.0 all core, just needed to run 1.45v llc6"

[timber hound]

lolol

its 4.98GHz for 2 core

although it bounces quite a bit (4.9-4.98)

[proven canopy]

I've been looking to organize some kind of newegg overclocking competition, trying to decide what bench/set of rules make things both fair and interesting. The "beta" is in the pins, 7zip

Give it a try through benchmate

[zenith palm]

Sorry for bad pic but my 3200c16 rev e kit

[timber hound]

use print screen and paste here

so we can see without light glare

plz

[zenith palm]

I'm not at pc arm

[timber hound]

ah

[zenith palm]

Slightly older one

[timber hound]

easier to read ty

nice timings

[zenith palm]

Except tras 27 and gdm off

Tcwl put it self to 14 for some reason too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also pushed trfc back up to 590, 580 was causing stutteryness

[timber hound]

my next goal is to sync fclk and mclk

xD

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-burning-my-eyes-spongebob-gif-5183364

[proven canopy]

12 can be pretty tight for cwl, I usually start at 14

[zenith palm]

I had 12 stable tho, then it jumped to 14 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven canopy]

What IC are those?

check the 042 code

[zenith palm]

^

12 was good but oh well

[timber hound]

Hynix MJR 16gb dies

[zenith palm]

Try 3800mhz instead your uclk is an ouch

[timber hound]

i set A-XMP and forgot

[proven canopy]

I think dallas runs the same sticks and cpu so you should definitely flex on him with your overclocks

[timber hound]

it can boot 2k all, but gets whea

at stock voltages

i just need to spend time to find what voltages make it work

[proven canopy]

Those are some odd voltages. Nothing too worryingly high, but how'd you get to 1.1 vddp?

[timber hound]

its auto idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven canopy]

Usually soc-vddg's you start with 1.2 .9 1.05 1.1 or something

[timber hound]

should i change them to that then?

[proven canopy]

Not sure if zentimings is reading correctly, never heard of vddp being auto'd that high

@short blade

[zenith palm]

1.1625vsoc? I'd try lower, it rolls over somewhere between 1.15 and 1.2vsoc btw

[proven canopy]

@tall pelican thoughts?

[zenith palm]

Hmm i mean 1.1v vddp is still safe

[short blade]

hello

[timber hound]

i mean its auto so i hope it would be safe

i will try lowering it

& see if i go poof

what are teh recommended voltages?

[proven canopy]

What do you use to test mem? tm5 anta?

[timber hound]

i havent yet, I set A-XMP and left everything on auto xP any recommendations

[zenith palm]

Id start with something like this

Vddg iod and ccd same

[timber hound]

ive been using Cini R23 and Prime95 so far for cpu

[proven canopy]

Use something like 7zip or ycruncher 1B to test performance as you tune, will be fun to see the numbers improve

Cinebench doesn't scale with memory

[short blade]

I've seen 1.1 auto vddp before I think

[tall pelican]

on?

[short blade]

not really a concern

[timber hound]

yea ik thats why i havent touch it yet hehe

[proven canopy]

These auto'd soc-vddg's #overclocking message

Why'd the mobo auto 1.1 vddp lol

[zenith palm]

Use testmem5 extreme anta profile

[tall pelican]

vddg iod seems high

[zenith palm]

For ram*

[timber hound]

idk fam its an Asrock B550i Phantom Gaming

i got alot of airflow on the mobo though

[tall pelican]

also why are they in 2:1?

[timber hound]

because it got whea at 1:1 so i just left it since i was testing Cinibench R23

i was using stock/auto voltages though so thats probably why it got whea

[tall pelican]

well yeah 2000if is going to whea, but then why neuter it to 1000if?

or not if, but uclk

[timber hound]

automatically set to that when uncoupled

[tall pelican]

yeah, but just downclock mem

[timber hound]

Thanks

I'll try it

Maybe I can get 1:1 then

[modern walrus]

figures I go shower when things get poppin in here

[tall pelican]

until mem is over ~4200-4400, then its better to stay low clocks with tighter timings that fast mem and 2:1

[timber hound]

so i should try for 4200?

[tall pelican]

no, try 1900if with 3800 mem

[timber hound]

why does my VDIMM not report in zentimings?

and MEM VTT

[tall pelican]

drivers and/or chipset

[timber hound]

has to be drivers because its the same chipset as that one (both b550)

[modern walrus]

Sir Fitz... any chance you have a picture of your BIOS settings for this? long shot I know

my bad to ping you

[tall pelican]

no, I never take bios pics because they're a PITA

[timber hound]

PITA?

[modern walrus]

pain in the ass

understandable lol

[timber hound]

But phone

[tall pelican]

why would I take a picture of something I know?

sure atc and zentimings

[modern walrus]

I looked at your asrock timings but those don't have any of Gigabyte's random settings lol

I've gotten as low as 40.7ns on AIDA but nowhere close to your 35

[tall pelican]

strip your os

disable av

[modern walrus]

I need to install AIDA on my benchmark SSD with Forks win10 build

might get that 5ns there

[modern walrus]

could try all-core 47.25 lol

[timber hound]

Trying 1:1 @ 1933MHz fclk

[modern walrus]

sorry that's misleading

[timber hound]

I'm on air though

[modern walrus]

that's 12x CPU. 1. is my best r23 multi lol

oh damn um

[timber hound]

Yea

[modern walrus]

dunno how that would do tbh

[timber hound]

No idea

[timber hound]

Ranked 38, nice 👍

[modern walrus]

I mean if you turn off minimum test duration it only lasts a minute or so

[timber hound]

unstable rip

[timber hound]

yea i did that too 🙂

[modern walrus]

if you run Prime95 Large FFTs & OCCT VRAM together, you can see if you can stabilize your FCLK

I can't get it to stop throwing WHEAs over 1900

[timber hound]

its getting wheas at desktop

[tall pelican]

or ya know, if they ran at 1900/3800, it wouldnt get wheas

[timber hound]

i get wheas at 1900

[tall pelican]

then tune your voltages until you dont

[timber hound]

how low can i go before i need to reset cmos?

[modern walrus]

until it won't POST

[timber hound]

do i just lower all voltages?

[modern walrus]

it's CPU specific... silicon lottery

[timber hound]

Ah

Oki

[modern walrus]

here maybe mine can help

can also check pinned messages to see others' settings. They might help you

[timber hound]

Does ProcODT matter?

I have 40.0 but yours is higher

[modern walrus]

I think trial & error was how I got there unfortunately

might even be auto. I'd have to check BIOS

[proven canopy]

Use tm5 + anta777

[modern walrus]

what kind of fan(s) are y'all using to get enough airflow to keep memory cool?

I'd kinda rather avoid these but it's looking like they're my best bet

I was looking at the pipes running to CPU trying to figure out how I can rig something up to connect a fan to them with a pipe clamp or something

[dull ginkgo]

ziptie + normal fan = good memory cooling

[tall pelican]

they dont have bdie, 16gbit AJR from what I can tell

[modern walrus]

in your bdie performance predictions? oh damn I should've looked.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NN3-m-mvqxoebSUO_22efkMrnGog2y1atWUgiZSZTOc/edit#gid=696788942 this has some people's zen timings

That's pinned in another Discord tho so dunno if it's against the rules or something to post here

[modern walrus]

lol kinda trying to avoid that tbh

if I do that, maybe I'll zip tie the fan to the PETG pipes so it's hiding behind GPU at least

40 seconds of TM5, DIMMs at 39C already

I have some 92x38mm Deltas... that would probably work & sound like an airplane

2:30 45C

[faint sage]

Is there a way to increase the boost lock on evga x1?

[sudden torrent]

The boost clock for the gpu, through precision X1?

The v/f curve is good for that, but it's very temperature dependent

Less voltage can mean less heat and more headroom for boosting

[modern walrus]

or waterblock

[potent fiber]

I've found that my modest +105ish OC pretty much doesn't effect the Vcore 👍 (msi ab of course). This is why for a while in-game, I just locked to 1v or w/e & certain speed

[sudden torrent]

OC scanner gives a half decent starting point for further tuning, but shouldn't be used as a final result

[proven canopy]

You're losing out on a lot of performance and burning a lot of power for no reason locking to 1v 24/7

[potent fiber]

Was ingame only . Lately run a straight +105 oc & it's often 1.06 peak & avg 1.03-1.04. Viewing the v/f curve is pretty neat. Anyone say if the full 120PL is required for a certain oc? I like when peak is below 220w vs 250w.

[sudden torrent]

Unless I'm mistaken, v/f only applies to the highest performance profile, which is only loaded when needed and it down clocks to 300/600 otherwise?

[proven canopy]

yeah, it might, but was there no scaling over 1v?

Depends how you force voltage/clocks I think

As for whether or not a higher pl is helping - you can check hwinfo or gpuz for the PL flag

[potent fiber]

Yeah forks meant when i said locked to 1v, and you're right it sometimes didn't downclock/downvolt at idle correctly. I used to just switch profiles for a second

[potent fiber]

Gotcha. Heck, I'll try 115 or 110 PL w/o oc change & see if the boost is simply adjusted a bit or what. 👍

[modern walrus]

if anyone is hungry, I'm cooking up some bdie. Should be ready soon

[zenith palm]

https://youtu.be/jo9o1RZQtI0

[zenith palm]

Uhh you're gonna want to run extreme anta profile btw

[modern walrus]

from my experience--albeit novice at best--PCBDestroyer config finds errors quicker & I dunno if it runs harder than anta777, but I believe it runs hotter. As long as mem OC takes, it's nice to find errors sooner... I do still use anta777 here & there as sort of a second opinion. It would be great if you tried it & gave me feedback. I could be entirely wrong. The reason I switched is I would have these strange instances where anta777 was not finding errors & TM5 was still counting time, but none of the little boxes under "Tests" would be changing color, like the program had stalled. I think it's obvious at that point that the OC was unstable, but sometimes I wouldn't notice for an hour or more since it appeared at a glace to still be running.

The first time I ran this was right after anta777 had stalled & it found errors within like 5-6 minutes... been using it ever since

@sudden torrent hope you're doing well. If you could try it out too, I'd appreciate it. I know you both way more knowledgeable than I am when it comes to these things lol

[zenith palm]

The box issue is sometimes tm5 not ran as admin just freezes, i recommend if you have spare ssd to use bench ssd for ram testing, i recommend using the forks iso as it is impossible not to run something as admin using it meaning tm5 basically never freezes

I'll give it a go on something ik is unstable sure

[modern walrus]

okay cool, I appreciate it

[zenith palm]

Np

[modern walrus]

checking that box runs it like as full admin?

that's probably a dumb question

but just making sure cuz it does the little pop up where I have to give it permission

[zenith palm]

That should do it to

The reason i like bench os is because you don't have to worry about corruption when mem testing

[modern walrus]

no that's definitely smart

I killed win11 about a month ago trying to OC DJR

I think I'm in the process of killing it again lol

I'm gonna swap C:\ for a new NVMe later today tho so I'm not all that worried about it

but I'm definitely gonna make a partition for Forks's build cuz benching on daily windows gets worse results

can it be on a partition or does it have to be an entirely different device?

[zenith palm]

Make sure to run the batfile in pins of #windows-ios often

[modern walrus]

just did dism & sfc lol

thank you tho

btw if you want, this runs both with right click & run as admin:

[sudden torrent]

TM5 is broken for me. Fails to load with an error message.

[modern walrus]

did you try extracting the .rar again?

[lavish tundra]

run it as not admin

[lavish tundra]

you can run my file thats pinned in windows btw and you dont need to right click and run as admin

[modern walrus]

oh ya sorry

didn't mean to not give credit where credit was due

[lavish tundra]

nah nah thats not the point

[sudden torrent]

It won't even launch if I do that

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[lavish tundra]

wait wot

this be whack

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/montypython-witch-burnthewitch-gif-5477103

[clever epoch]

Medium rare please

[modern walrus]

ah too late

medium well or well at this point

[zenith palm]

ill take medium well

[lavish tundra]

medium well sounds lovely

[modern walrus]

might make bdie soup with a waterblock the way these DIMMs have been cooking on tm5

[humble jay]

Even better

[clever epoch]

Is bCLK tied to PCIE on AM4?

Looks like it is. USB and SATA too

[obtuse adder]

Is overclocking just bragging rights now instead of useful for CPUs?

12th series

[short blade]

i always run it as admin but i've had that freeze show up on stable ocs

always just chalked it up to a tm5 bug

[ivory lichen]

cold

[zenith palm]

Yeah

[zenith palm]

Free performance is free performance

[finite frigate]

yes

[worldly wasp]

its useful

depends on what game

and res

[obtuse adder]

Minecraft 8k gaming

[proven canopy]

Tried for , but no luck. Guess I'll have to pick up an ocf and take it cold 😁
https://hwbot.org/submission/4908751_forks_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_radeon_rx_6900_xt_12423_marks

[sudden torrent]

It's not exactly good for the gpu itself, but it is safe if done right.
Your temps are already pretty high so you wouldn't have much headroom for overclocking the core without undervolting as well to keep the temps down.

And that's going to affect how much you can safely overclock

You should still be able to do some, especially if you use msi afterburner to lower the core voltage a little bit so it's not so hot

Right, that's +0 which is the default. You can adjust the voltage/frequency curve to reduce the voltage.

Probably not a good idea to increase the power limit yet then

[humble jay]

@modern walrus also if you have custom loop already, this is an actually reasonable way to cool your ram without making aesthetics bad

My old build

[modern walrus]

expensive tho...

looks really nice btw

I mean the Corsair look alright... waterblock is way better tho of course

[modern walrus]

what's the new build look like?

damn how come needs like 1/10th the amount of pipe I end up needing? lol

[humble jay]

Uh

Like this I guess lol

[modern walrus]

same case?

[humble jay]

But I took it apart before I finished

And yeah same case

[modern walrus]

why'd you take it apart?

[humble jay]

I needed the DDR4 alder lake board for fire strike #1 HOF lol

[modern walrus]

btw props on your HWbot scores

[humble jay]

The DDR5 one is slightly slower

And ty :D

Same board lol

Also removed ram waterblock

[modern walrus]

jeez

don't think I'll ever get on LN2 level tbh

I'd need a garage or something

I might go EK on RAM waterblock like you did

it's just expensive

I think like $80 for block & $45 for spreaders

honestly the reason I haven't just gone ahead & done it is de-lidding DIMMs

[humble jay]

Oof

I don’t remember it costing that much

[potent fiber]

Whoa there sir flex a lot. Lmao, semi kidding. That's awesome

wth is in the lower pcie slot?

[humble jay]

It’s a pass through thing

It goes to this

[potent fiber]

That's interesting, very neat.

[potent fiber]

cablemod cables or... ?

[humble jay]

I made all of my cables, custom length too

I also sleeved a lot of the stock usb cables and stuff

[sudden torrent]

Hmm. I should consider water cooled memory too; the fractal torrent case isn't exactly good for memory airflow.

[potent fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-wwe-uh-huh-okay-shocked-gif-17531281

[sacred trench]

this look good for a 3060Ti?

[potent fiber]

[sudden torrent]

Is that the auto overclock? +200 on memory is weak

[sacred trench]

yes

im too dumb to manual lmao

[potent fiber]

decent gpu oc, but +200 on memory might as well be 0. Could probably do +400 or +500

[sudden torrent]

Poor man's overclock, just do +115 core and +1000 memory with maxed power limit. 95% chance it works great.

[sacred trench]

hm ok

[potent fiber]

Kind of funny AB only allows +1K on mem, then also allows a nutty +1K on gpu, even though the latter* is probably an insta-crash if it actually was set.

[sudden torrent]

Really? AB lets me do +1500 mem. Must be your vbios.

[potent fiber]

Probably, I might have the "quiet" bios anyways. Also, Vmem already started out at 11Gbps intead of 10 - not too worried about the overall mem speed.

[sacred trench]

so the scanner OC gave me an extra 216 points in Time Spy so at least it works lol

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that'll be mostly from the core bump

[sacred trench]

how do I manually input those values you gave me?

[sudden torrent]

Did you max out power too?

[sacred trench]

they go here?

[sudden torrent]

Yep. And then the power limit slider all the way right.

[sacred trench]

?

[sudden torrent]

Not the voltage

Yes that one

[sacred trench]

alrighty

[sudden torrent]

Power alone should give a huge bump in score

[potent fiber]

What program is that? From when I had +105 core/+200 mem. Disregarding my cpu being a bottleneck, this pic shows how the stock boosting is so good because w/ no actual oc setup I get 2050ish in 3dmark or games.

[sudden torrent]

Precision X1

[sacred trench]

^

[sudden torrent]

I use that one too, it's the only way to control rgb on the FE 30 series

[sacred trench]

would a card sitting at 90 constantly be bad?

[sudden torrent]

90 degrees C on the core? Yes
On the memory? No

[potent fiber]

generally don't worry about the temp limit setting also.

[sacred trench]

guess we'll find out lol

that setting scares me

[sudden torrent]

It's highly unlikely that it actually hits the temp limit

[sacred trench]

hopefully

got the FTW3 just so I could OC it :<

I knew my XC would just die lmao

[sudden torrent]

Yeah you'll be fine then

[sacred trench]

my idle idle temp sucks rn

[potent fiber]

high temp limit to me is just so it doesnt throttle for no reason at a lower temp

[sacred trench]

from the OC or just recovering from benchmark?

[sudden torrent]

Don't worry about idle, the fans stop if it's under 40C on most new cards

[potent fiber]

Can you show your voltage/frequency curve? (disregard 10 series to 20/30 series difference of course.)

[sacred trench]

im idle at 54

[sudden torrent]

It's load temp that matters

[sacred trench]

I guess

I do like cool idle tho

[sudden torrent]

Set the fan curve then

[sacred trench]

ye I have it at aggressive

[potent fiber]

Is it this agressive? (joke)

[potent fiber]

Funny, at least it's more of a literal curve. 👍

[sacred trench]

lol

ok im gonna run bench with poor man oc lol

brb

[potent fiber]

my fan curve is a joke because basically I've never seen over 40% fan speed even w/ furmark running at 4k. (also sometimes I adjust it for no reason). Itching to see how much that gpu oc helps ya on TS.

[sacred trench]

+295 compared to scanner OC, +511 compared to stock

woooh buddy

GPU never broke its previous max temp either

i'm impressed tbh

[sacred trench]

@sudden torrent any way I can keep going?

[sudden torrent]

You can try +130 core next. Go up in steps of 15 and run a time spy bench each step to see if it's stable.

[sacred trench]

Wdyt is the upper limit for my card in question?

[humble jay]

Want to see my GTX 1080 OC

[potent fiber]

heck yea

[humble jay]

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/25155647/spy/25358527

[sudden torrent]

It varies. Could be +180 or you could be at the limit already.

[humble jay]

+480 core +1000 (but I could run +1200) mem

[sacred trench]

so it's just silicon lottery at this point?

aight running 130+

[potent fiber]

The cpu difference is hilarious. Basically 7x as fast as mine. 2101 MhZ gave me a gpu score of 8370 btw. Total said 6593 on that one. Neat it's basically a 15% higher oc for 13.3% higher score, not a bad ratio. 2400 MHz is beast mode for sure. That was under water? Any chance have a pic of the V/F curve still?

[humble jay]

I didn’t use the curve since my temperature was always negative

But yeah this card doesn’t OC as much as I wished lol

[sacred trench]

Cryo cooling?

[humble jay]

Yeah, GPU ran at -192c fine

[sacred trench]

What the

[sacred trench]

Do you run this long term?

[humble jay]

No lol, i have 3090 on water for my daily

[sacred trench]

Lol I was gonna say

[sacred trench]

Negligible. Got +5 lmao

[sacred trench]

alright +145 breaks it lmao

[sudden torrent]

Guess you know your limit now at least

[sacred trench]

ye so guess its 130

[sudden torrent]

You might be able to do more on memory if you wanted to try that. Some can max out the slider to +1500. My 3080 ti tops out at +1280.

[potent fiber]

Yeah most modern gpu's basically go in steps of 15MHz, and remember it's more like a 400+ OC when you factor in that base clock is, or at least that's how I think of it sometimes.

[sacred trench]

neat

ok ill go 1050 on the memory

[sudden torrent]

You can do steps of 100 on memory. One thing to keep in mind is you might lose performance before you get to where it crashes.

Once you get to where you lose score or crash drop back 50 and try again

[sacred trench]

+33 this time stable

very nice

[sacred trench]

+7 from 1100 to 1200 lol

[potent fiber]

aka diminishing returns.

[sacred trench]

sad

worth to keep going?

[potent fiber]

Life

[sacred trench]

so just leave as is?

sitting at 130 core 1200 mem rn

[potent fiber]

oh, curious of peak wattage and temp

[sacred trench]

peak temp was 77 for a microsecond lol

wattage idrk

ill have to do again with OCCT on the side

[potent fiber]

Usually I like 3dmark for gpu, it does 100% gpu & the varying peak wattage at various PL/clock settings is neat to see sometimes. For reference, at 120PL +105 core I saw 250ish watts (2101MHz average), +60 core 112PL means peak 225ish watts (2050MHz aveage).

[sacred trench]

ye I been using Time Spy to check these

[potent fiber]

Same. Partly thnx to being so far from temp limit, with no oc I'd see 2000ish MHz boost, and super steady anyways. Pic is current settings. OCing is fun, but the stock boosting is so good (except OC actually gives overall lower volts).

[sacred trench]

nice nice

highest clock I got was 2100 😳

[potent fiber]

I didn't realize that 20 series was clocked lower, then 30 series is even lower. 2100? Those things boost a lot*

[sacred trench]

damn my card just suck then?

[potent fiber]

No I meant w/ the stock base clock of 3060 Ti, they seem to go up like 600 MHz. Pretty cool they boost up as high as 10 series even w/ the lower base clock. That's how good 30 series is.

[sacred trench]

oh

that a lot?

[potent fiber]

it's pretty good. 10 series onward is quite a change from 900 series. Every gen varies a bit in some way though, it's interesting.

[sacred trench]

I see

alrighty now im gonna enter VR

i wanna see if I gained anything from this lol

[sacred trench]

alright so