overclocking

[short blade]

if it survives prime95 it survives anything you'll throw at it

trial by fire

[lavish tundra]

Like my cpu shot to 105 on prime95. Never seen it hit 90 any other time

[short blade]

i've seen people try to use cinebench as stability test

i've had meme ocs pass cinebench r20 then crash from opening firefox

[lavish tundra]

Cinebench stable is not stable

[short blade]

so it dropped to 4.6ghz?

[modern walrus]

all cores are showing 4,998,xxx

[short blade]

looking at minimum clocks

idk if that was during the test or what

[modern walrus]

oh sorry

[short blade]

take a pic while test is still running

[modern walrus]

yes 4,597,xxx

[lavish tundra]

Probably at the beginning of the test as it was loading in

[modern walrus]

temps are half decent

[short blade]

i got a 3600 through cinebench at 4575mhz lol

[modern walrus]

all aroung like 65+/- 4

[lavish tundra]

Amazing stuff

@modern walrus Ok so quit hwinfo and start it again while the test is running

[modern walrus]

okay just did

[short blade]

StAbLe

[lavish tundra]

Ahh yes stable barbeque grill

1.48V

on ryzen

[short blade]

i got it through cpu-z validation before it crashed

[lavish tundra]

Good AIO?

[short blade]

uhh

i think that build had a hyper 212 lol

[lavish tundra]

HOW?

JUST HOW?!

[short blade]

wanted to get rid of my old cooler

so a customer got it

gave him my old mobo too

[lavish tundra]

Discounted or msrp

[short blade]

jeez how mean do you think i am

discounted

they were basically like new though, i clean my pc every 2 days

and run an air purifier in my room

[lavish tundra]

Oh man the kinda stuff Ive seen people passing off as new in my country

[lavish tundra]

Thats kinda overkill

[modern walrus]

oh lawd it just hit 90s

max 96

[short blade]

honestly

if your 10900K is staying in the 90s in prime95 small ffts avx

that's very good

[lavish tundra]

itll be under 80s on normal load

[modern walrus]

I lost the silicone lottery huh?

[short blade]

assuming it's keeping 5ghz

no not at all

[modern walrus]

oh wow we have 5 throttled cores

[short blade]

5ghz 1.35v is pretty average, you haven't tried to go higher yet

[modern walrus]

just dropped to 4.3

4.2

[short blade]

oof

[lavish tundra]

also change the fan positioning on ur rad as I told you to

[modern walrus]

we're red on every core

lol

[short blade]

yeah i dunno my 10700K was slamming against 100C but it was still holding 5.1 all core without throttling clocks

[lavish tundra]

@modern walrus

[short blade]

and it was consuming 300W

[modern walrus]

it's getting pretty fukushima over here rn

too soon? sorry

[short blade]

well you got two options here

1. try a lower voltage like 1.3v
2. put your faith into a less intense test

[lavish tundra]

3

[modern walrus]

I just stopped the test. I think I hear my computer crying

[lavish tundra]

his aio fan arrangement is less than ideal

[modern walrus]

okay I'll send you a picture of the cooling setup

[lavish tundra]

just changing that should improve the temps

[modern walrus]

so we can all tell me how I just focused on aesthetics & laugh

[lavish tundra]

no need

do as I told you

[short blade]

did he make his aio front exhaust or something

[short blade]

pikachu

[modern walrus]

I built the Pikachu thing myself

lol

[short blade]

that's cool

[modern walrus]

it's one of those cheapy nightlight things on Amazon w/ a light for a gpu

[lavish tundra]

he has slow fans as push and fast fans as pull

[modern walrus]

I also put RGBs in my video card cuz it was boring w/o it

[lavish tundra]

ok now remove your rad and then swap the fans around

[modern walrus]

Those are pushing

[zenith palm]

You have your front ones as exhaust?

Swap that

[modern walrus]

I guess I can take out the top fans & put the radiator there

[short blade]

gonna go gf just woke up lol

have fun

[modern walrus]

no they're pushing hot air into the case... ya bad idea I know

[lavish tundra]

no u

[modern walrus]

thanks for your help

[lavish tundra]

On ur rad

not case

[modern walrus]

Those push air in too

But not much since they only have those little side openings

[lavish tundra]

im talking about what you said here

about ur rad

[zenith palm]

Id put front intake back and top exhaust

[modern walrus]

& it sucks cuz you can't put a radiator up top with the 200s there because you have to take this out

[lavish tundra]

You have a horrible cooling layout

like absolutely horrible

[modern walrus]

I wonder if that fits upside down...

[lavish tundra]

Ugh are you even listening to me at this point?

[modern walrus]

yes yes

it wasn't bad until I moved the radiator from the top to the front

to fit those 200s cuz they were pretty

but ya pretty isn't functional I know

it used to just be the radiator on the top with the 120s pushing

[lavish tundra]

So listen this is how I would redo ur cooling layout

[modern walrus]

ok

[lavish tundra]

How many fans you have

and what case

and which fans

[modern walrus]

H500P Mesh

1x 140mm Coolermaster Halo

2x 200mm Coolermaster MF200RGB

rather MF200ARGB

1 little Noctua as an extra exhaust

uh I'll show you a picture to explain that in a second

and then 2x 200mm Thermaltake Riing Trio (front)

that's the Noctua cuz I figured it would pull heat off the GPU

it's my first build sorry for clownin

oh plus the 3x 120mm fans that came with the AIO

[lavish tundra]

ok gimme 2 mins

[modern walrus]

which btw the AIO is CoolerMaster ML360P Silver

[lavish tundra]

so pull inwards with the 2 200mm fans

[modern walrus]

on the front?

[lavish tundra]

yep

[modern walrus]

ok

[lavish tundra]

then top mount rad

[modern walrus]

ok

[lavish tundra]

with the 3 stock fans on the underside so they take air from your case and throw it upwards into the rad

stock meaning the ones that came with ur rad

[modern walrus]

I'm trying to learn from the mistakes on this build for my next build

[lavish tundra]

and keep ur little noctua

[modern walrus]

lol the noctua is kinda of a joke huh?

[barren ridge]

all the fans

sounds like looping air nightmare

[zenith palm]

tbh

[modern walrus]

okay let me shut it down & get a screwdriver

heck

this is gonna be a mission

[lavish tundra]

keep those as the only fans imo

[modern walrus]

not the 140mm Halo exhaust fan??

[lavish tundra]

nowhere really to put it

[modern walrus]

That one?

[lavish tundra]

You can put it at the back blowing into the pc

[modern walrus]

maybe but I'd have to get nuts & bolts because it's too close to mobo to tighten a screw on one side

or the two screws on one side I mean

[lavish tundra]

dew it

[sterile flame]

Bruh

I overclocked my RAM at 3800MHz like a few days ago

My pc started restarting itself today

So i ran a memtest86

It shows this error

What should i do to fix it?

[quick rose]

Put ram back to stock speeds and test again

[sterile flame]

It was running fine on 3666Mhz

No errors

[quick rose]

Go back to that then and start OC testing again

[sterile flame]

OC testing as in i have to keep it at 3666 test it once, increase it, test it again and stuff?

[quick rose]

Yes

[sterile flame]

Damn that's gonna take a lot of time to do lol

So my only option is to decrease it?

[quick rose]

If you're getting errors, yes, or reduce timings or increase voltage

[sterile flame]

So tighten timings or increase voltage. Got it

[quick rose]

No, loosen timings

Make the numbers bigger if you're crashing and have errors

[sterile flame]

Ah ok. I have never changed the timings after changing it from 3666 to 3800

And I'm not really good with the timing and stuff. If you're free, could you help me out with that?

[quick rose]

I'm no expert either and it depends on what chips are in your ram sticks and many other things. Best resource out there: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[modern walrus]

allllright

the rad is on top w/ 3x120s pushing thru it

what a mission

[sterile flame]

Got it thanks

And if i should increase my voltage, what voltage should i increase and by how much?

[quick rose]

Depends entirely on what chips you have. Start with Thaiphoon Burner to figure out what IC's they are then hit the guide for recommended max voltage, timings, speeds, etc

[sterile flame]

ICs?

I have a ryzen 9 3950x

[quick rose]

The chips on the ram sticks

It's important to know what they are so you know what the overclock and voltage limits are

[sterile flame]

Ah so it's 4266Mhz

B die

[zenith palm]

You should be fine with 1.5v on b die

[quick rose]

But the IF on the CPU won't go past 3800 mhz most likely

and unlinking them will result in slower performance

[sterile flame]

For DRAM voltage, it's at 1.5

[sterile flame]

My CPU is running at 3800Mhz now

[quick rose]

Not the CPU itself

[zenith palm]

Not your cpu your fclk

[quick rose]

the FLCK

Infinity Fabric

[sterile flame]

10 errors as of now

[zenith palm]

Turn off

[zenith palm]

Go back

[sterile flame]

1900

[zenith palm]

1 error=fail

What cpu?

3rd gen?

[sterile flame]

Ryzen 9 3950x

[quick rose]

What ram exactly is this?

Which kit

[sterile flame]

Corsair vengeance RGB pro kit

[zenith palm]

Yeah you're cpu fclk probs cant go to 1900

[sterile flame]

4 x 8GB

[quick rose]

speed and timings?

[sterile flame]

Idk the timings but it's at default. I didn't change the timing from the beginning. Now it's at 3800Mhz

It's CL19

[quick rose]

What ram kit exactly, got a link?

[sterile flame]

Hold up lemme send it

[zenith palm]

What's the xmp speed and timings you can check by temporarily turning on xmp and checkup what it changes to if you can't find link

[sterile flame]

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B07GBLDCF9?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

This is the one i have now

But i got like 4 of them instead of 2

So basically 4 x 8gb

[quick rose]

3950x you say?

Max fclk on that will be like, 1800 maybe 1866

NO wonder it's pitching a fit XD

[zenith palm]

You paid a grand for 64gb of ram?

[dull ginkgo]

FCLK can do above 1900 very rarely on zen 2

1900 is fairly rare too

[zenith palm]

More of a zen 3 thing tbh

[sterile flame]

32gb but yes

[zenith palm]

What why

Holy 💩

[sterile flame]

Ah i see. So I'll decrease just by one level?

[zenith palm]

I'd run 3666

[dull ginkgo]

1900mhz fclk -> 3800mhz ram

[zenith palm]

And see how that goes

[sterile flame]

Because my dumbass thought i could get max performance by tuning it at 4266Mhz

[dull ginkgo]

for 1:1

[zenith palm]

But still

[sterile flame]

Without knowing that it's impossible without a lot of manual tuning

[dull ginkgo]

whatever

[sterile flame]

That's what i have now

It's running at 3800Mhz

[zenith palm]

Yeah but getting errors so need to take down

[dull ginkgo]

also

TM5 useful

[sterile flame]

3666 runs perfect

I wanted to tune it a bit more

[dull ginkgo]

no need for memtest86

[zenith palm]

Then do 3666 and tighten timings

[dull ginkgo]

having to boot again for memtest86 is annoying

[sterile flame]

True that but i when i ran another OCCT test, it said i had no errors

[sterile flame]

That's the thing. I am struggling to understand how to do that lol

[zenith palm]

So what timings do you have atm?

Your primary ones

First 4 or 5

[sterile flame]

I don't know. It's at default and it's C19 as far as ik

How do I see that?

[dull ginkgo]

cpuz easiest way in software

in bios it's there too

[zenith palm]

Go into the memory overclocking area

[zenith palm]

Well considering we want to change them might as well find in bios lol

[sterile flame]

I have stopped my current test since it gave back a lot of errors

So just to make sure, it's not possible to get anything above 3666?

In a stable way?

[zenith palm]

Ehhh possible but unlikely

[dull ginkgo]

It's likely the CPU limitting you

so

[zenith palm]

Yeah

[sterile flame]

Should i increase the CPU frequency from 3800 to say something like 4200 or something

[quick rose]

It's not the frequency

It's the FCLK

[sterile flame]

Or is it actual CPU itself?

Ah got it

[quick rose]

3950x doesn't like much above 1800 fclk

[dull ginkgo]

ye, it's the CPU IMC

not core

oh yea, changing soc might help

[sterile flame]

Soc voltage?

[dull ginkgo]

try 1.15v soc

[sterile flame]

It's at 1.15V now

[dull ginkgo]

oh well, not much more you can do to help fclk to chug along

[tall pelican]

vddp can help if too

[sterile flame]

This is my current voltage values

[dull ginkgo]

is good then

[tall pelican]

see if .9 vddp helps

those voltages are more for zen3 since it isnt as picky as zen2

[sterile flame]

I'll change it now and see

What should cpu core ratio be?

[tall pelican]

auto

[sterile flame]

And as far as the timings goes

This is what i have

[quick rose]

Gonna have to manually speed and time that kit

[sterile flame]

Changed it to 0.95 now

[sterile flame]

True that lol

I'll just reduce it for now

I'm gonna have it at 3733 and 1866 fclk

[zenith palm]

That's an awkward number some cpus wont even post on the intervals btw

[tall pelican]

you can leave memory clock on auto 2133 and run occt large to test if

[sterile flame]

I ran memtest at 3666mhz and had no issues

It's only when i increased it to 3800 I'm getting these issues

[zenith palm]

For how long was the test btw?

[sterile flame]

I'm running the memtest at 3733 now

[sterile flame]

Almost 2 hours and it wasn't even done

[zenith palm]

But you did auto timing btw?

[tall pelican]

leave memory on auto

[sterile flame]

But wouldn't that decrease the performance?

[tall pelican]

doesnt matter

[sterile flame]

Like it would likely set it at 2133

[tall pelican]

is it your memory or if that's unstable in testing?

[zenith palm]

Fitz is just saying that to test stability

Just unstable in testing at high feq by sounds of things fitz

[sterile flame]

Yea i get that but i have previously run the test at 3666 mhz with no issues. Is it still necessary to do that?

[worn seal]

Hey so I have a ram kit that won't post in xmp if I were to try manually doing it how would I approach that? Or if it won't hit the rated speeds in xmp is it not worth my time

[sterile flame]

tested it at 3733Mhz now. Its working fine

it passed all tests perfectly

[modern walrus]

Is the most likely culprit of L0 Cache errors too little voltage? Is that better solved by ticking up voltage or leveling LLC up (from level 4 to 3)

[random cave]

anyone here mine on a 3060? currently at around 48 mh/s at +50 core +1300 mem and 60% power limit, not sure if that can be improved too much. temps are about 55 core/65 mem average

[sudden torrent]

That's pretty decent. My 3060 is stable mining up to +1400 but each one is going to be slightly different

[random cave]

whats ur hashrate on that?

[sudden torrent]

46 MH

[random cave]

oh damn

[sudden torrent]

I have my core on -105 though, 106W

[random cave]

i see

yeah mines similar, about 102w

[sudden torrent]

Yours is slightly stronger than mine than, nice

[random cave]

zotac gpus strong 💪 😤

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-wasabiwang-3080-rtx-rtx3080-gif-18908612

[random cave]

frfr

[proven canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/476089430738731038/775264025520504832/zotac.gif

[olive onyx]

hi

@lavish tundra

[lavish tundra]

Ok so now you are on amd right?

[olive onyx]

ye

amd

[lavish tundra]

download cpuz and zen timings

[olive onyx]

ok

downloaded

@lavish tundra

[lavish tundra]

ok so now run zentimings and send me a screenshot

[olive onyx]

ok

[lavish tundra]

and then run cpuz go into the spd tab and then chose slot 2 and send another screenshot

[olive onyx]

@lavish tundra

[lavish tundra]

1 sec

[olive onyx]

mhm

[lavish tundra]

Ok so try this

set ram voltage to 1.2

frequency to 2933

[olive onyx]

ok

so i will come online after i do it

[lavish tundra]

wait

TCL to 16

trcdwr to 19

trcdrd to 19

[olive onyx]

Fuk

[lavish tundra]

trp 20

[olive onyx]

I did it

Wait

[lavish tundra]

and tras to 43

[olive onyx]

Bruh

I cant find trp and tcp

@lavish tundra

[lavish tundra]

Pls stop pinging

[olive onyx]

Sry

I cant find tcl and trp

Lol

Is it it dram timing control?

[lavish tundra]

tcl could be called cas latency

[olive onyx]

Oh ok

I found it

[lavish tundra]

it should be under that

[olive onyx]

This?

[lavish tundra]

and look around for trp on whatever mobo u have. I gtg for a bit will help when I return if you still cant find it

[lavish tundra]

yes

[olive onyx]

Ok

Cant find it

Lol

[modern walrus]

okay... my OC made it 11 hours & 53 minutes on OCCT w/o error or crash before I ended it. Is it a stretch to call that stable? lol

temp maxed out at 89 but averaged 68

-HWiNFO

Voltage 1.274-1.320 (min, max)

[zenith palm]

Sounds fairly damm stable

[modern walrus]

It's only at 5.0gHz/core but I can live with that

Took me like 30 something hours of trial & error lol

[worn seal]

Yea what's a reasonable amount of time in a stress test to determine if memory is stable? I ran an hour long pass in OCCT earlier and it passed but then booted up aida64 to just make sure cpu temps were alright after enabling PBO and memory caused errors in under 30 seconds. Is a variety of tests more important than duration?

[modern walrus]

I even moved my darn radiator

I was thinking I'd run prime95 on it but that's like hitting it with a sledgehammer

I also ran cinebench & UBM on it a few times now

UFO UFO UFO 😄

Cinebench results r meh cuz I have it -2 on AVX. Any higher tends to cause instability

[tall pelican]

||discord triggers avx offsets||

[worn seal]

Hey using TM5 to test my memory what indication would it give if it failed?

I walked away from my computer for a while and it went to sleep and I don't think it failed but I just restarted it since I don't really understand TM5 tbh😂

[modern walrus]

Never tried it

[worn seal]

I figured it out when my computer just gave me a bluescreen

[sterile flame]

Yaa

[clever epoch]

when you come back it should give you a box saying "testing succeeded" or something

make sure you're running the "extreme@anta7777" preset

[clever epoch]

that's pretty reasonable. Of course there's always a small chance it's slightly unstable. Use it for a few days, and if you don't crash, you're probably fine

[modern walrus]

@clever epoch thanks. I was playing RE2 & it crashed but I haven't located the issue yet. I turned the OC on my graphics card a slight amount. No issues yet since

[clever epoch]

if it crashed your computer it was probably CPU. If it was just the game then it's probably GPU

[modern walrus]

no just crashed the game

not the computer

[tall pelican]

on occassions, you'll get an unstable cpu crashing cpu intensive games

like bfv will crash the game rather than the computer if you're marginally stable

[modern walrus]

great so I'm not stable yet

OC is not easy trying to balance voltage & temps.

I'd love to try for 51 core ration but there's no way I can keep the voltage decent

Plus I'm not convinced I'd get any noticeable gain from it

ratio not ration

[lavish tundra]

Samsung C die

someone help with secondaries and tertiarys

[lavish tundra]

@tall pelican

[tall pelican]

as low as is stable

[lavish tundra]

so no recommendations or starting points as such?

[tall pelican]

its secondaries and terts

start at auto and find what's stable

[lavish tundra]

Aight

thanks

[modern walrus]

Any idea why I get error running OCT w/o AVX but w/ AVX runs okay?

[modern walrus]

anyone try Intel IPM for auto-overclock?

results were meh. It bumped the Core clocks but left the Ring clocks alone if anyone is interested

[clever epoch]

Auto overclocks are usually near-useless at best, straight up harmful at worst

[clever epoch]

Your overclock is unstable but you have enough of an AVX offset that AVX loads are stable

[modern walrus]

Yes I fear 5.1gHz just isn't in the cards

[worn seal]

Hey so I'm currently going back and forth with patriot support trying to get my ram to run at 3600mhz for my 5600x, I know a higher infinity fabric clock is ideal but is it better enough to say go from 3333cl16 to 3600cl19?

[quick rose]

What'st he XMP on the ram rated for

[worn seal]

3600cl18

[quick rose]

C19 isn't the end of the world then

And is preferred to keep the FLCK at 1800

[worn seal]

Ok that's what I was wondering is if the increased FLCK was worth the change in memory timings, since ik 3200cl16 and 3600cl18 are the same 10ms, I knew the 1800 FLCK was ideal I just wasn't sure at what point

Thanks

[quick rose]

YW

[worn seal]

Well points for patriot support staff responding somewhat quickly but I'm so tired of messing with memory speeds and timings looks like it took cl21 to get 3600 stable. Is that still worth it compared to the 3333cl16? Or do I just need to play around with a bunch of different benchmarks and different combinations to find a good balance

[quick rose]

NO, return that kit. Fight them about it

[worn seal]

Alright

[harsh trout]

cl21

[gleaming wren]

what does overclocking mean and how does it effect games?

[modern walrus]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/how-to-overclock.html

Essentially, you're setting various parameters so you can exceed the OEM specs of your hardware

i.e. make your hardware perform above the rated specifications

[zenith palm]

If it's done right your games will increase a few fps but that really depends on what you overclock and how far you overclock them, the larger the overclock the larger the gains

[gleaming wren]

thanks

[modern walrus]

It can be a long & difficult process. The easiest way to do it is to let Intel do it for you if you have a 9th, 10th, or 11th gen Intel processor

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/search.html?ws=text#q=intel performance maximizer&t=Downloads&layout=table

[gleaming wren]

probably not something i need to look into as a novice

[modern walrus]

but it's not as rewarding as achieving it yourself

[gleaming wren]

just checking i wasnt missing something important for my first build

[modern walrus]

took me 30+ hours & total trial & error. This forum is very helpful. The users here are very knowledgeable. I had no idea what to do like less than 72 hours ago

You can OC your GPU (easiest), CPU (harder), & RAM (haven't tried but supposedly very difficult)

[gleaming wren]

thanks

[modern walrus]

@zenith palm knows way better than I do lol

[gleaming wren]

yeah im looking for some help for my first build

in #building-and-recc-chat

[zenith palm]

Just remember overclocking comes with some extra heat to your system

[sudden torrent]

And power use

[lavish tundra]

Took me multiple hours over multiple days to finish a RAM oc

took me 1 hr for gpu oc

and like 2 for cpu

[zenith palm]

Whatcha end up with your gpu oc?

[lavish tundra]

-50mv core and +10mv mem

[zenith palm]

Ntb

Could you not push mem a bit further?

[lavish tundra]

I won ram, gpu and cpu silicon lottery

[zenith palm]

Nice lmao

[lavish tundra]

hangs about an hour into games

[zenith palm]

Well x570 board helps with the cpu bit

[zenith palm]

Fair enough

[lavish tundra]

I mean its a 3600x that does 4.4ghz all core at 1.28V witout crossing90C on the mini version of a hyper 212

cpu very nice bin

[zenith palm]

Damm

I'm hoping it's an old 212 and not recent lol

[lavish tundra]

mini hyper 212 btw because corsair case is dumb

[zenith palm]

Ahh

[lavish tundra]

Cant fit larger coolers

[zenith palm]

Oof

What case?

[lavish tundra]

corsair carbide spec 1

[zenith palm]

My 4000d fits the se 224xt perfectly fine

Ahh

[lavish tundra]

Might buy a new case or an aio

[zenith palm]

New case probs better investment

[lavish tundra]

Yeah

[zenith palm]

Better gpu cooling too

[lavish tundra]

Im broke rn tho so yeah

lets see in a few months

[zenith palm]

Fair lol

Mine with the 570

Free case in what a month or something

[lavish tundra]

banned in my country...

[zenith palm]

Banned....

What weird

Ahh it's the 4gb model anyway

[lavish tundra]

its like 2$ a day

If I mine all day

[zenith palm]

1€ /day assuming 10c/kwh

Because 4gb model

You cant mime ether with

[lavish tundra]

Floppa gets 2-3$ on his 4gb 570

we have same mem clock iirc

but yee ill be mining for the 4 hrs that im asleep if at all I mined

rest of the day im using my pc

so really no point

[zenith palm]

Oof

How floppa getting so much wth

[robust aurora]

@zenith palm he is mining eth classic i think

[zenith palm]

Ohh that makes bit more sense i think

[storm kettle]

i need help

i got msi afterburner and dont know how to overclock

I used gpu tweak 2 before

[quick rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqshaJTI8FQ&t=15s

[storm kettle]

no I just dont know how to bring GPU to 1440mhz like it was before

I can only OC memory

[quick rose]

Watch video, he explains afterburner towards the end, what all the settings do

[storm kettle]

gpu clock still at 1290mhz

[quick rose]

COre MHZ, click it, + 150, hit enter then checkmark

[storm kettle]

✨ still nothing ✨

[quick rose]

Are you under a load

[storm kettle]

memory clock works

[quick rose]

Like in a game

[storm kettle]

no

[quick rose]

do that

and watch it

[storm kettle]

1290

[quick rose]

Do you have other GPU software running

[storm kettle]

no

I literally uninstalled gpu tweak before installing msi afterburner

[quick rose]

Did you restart after you uninstalled?

[storm kettle]

restart the pc?

oh dang 1873 mhz

now its back to 1290

nvm

[quick rose]

So it's peaking under load

[storm kettle]

that doesn't sound right

1873mhz isn't the way to go

as soon as I close afterburner the fans spin slower

tf

[quick rose]

Well yeah, you closed it so it's not going to stay working

Just minimize it

[robust aurora]

Hm it should work

[storm kettle]

won't it use too many resources?

[quick rose]

Nah

Not at all

[storm kettle]

gpu tweak worked in the background

[quick rose]

Min eis using 15 MB ram lol

[storm kettle]

I mean, I have 8gh 1600mhz ddr3

[quick rose]

Well yeah, so does afterburner

Just minimize it instead of the X close box

[storm kettle]

I just restarted my pc

I have to set the gpu clock lower

[quick rose]

That's what my afterburner is using

It's almost nothing

[robust aurora]

You can close it and it will keep the oc settings

[quick rose]

Well, if it closes to tray yes

If it closes the app, it stops working

[storm kettle]

yea but the fans settings don't seem to do the same

why is it taking so long to restart

[quick rose]

Probably because it starts with Windows and it's already in your tray on the bottom right?

[robust aurora]

Might be yes

[storm kettle]

then I shall not let it open on start up

would be annoying when I'm late for online class

gpu tweak had some kind of system optimizer, closed some background apps and liberated some memory

[quick rose]

It shouldn't be delaying windows start like that

Mine adds literally nothing to my boot time lol

[storm kettle]

5900rpm HDD gang

something is wrong

why does it go up to 1850mhz

and ends up sounding like a fighter jet

guess I'll go back to gpu tweak

why is it so gimmicky

[quick rose]

Why is what so gimmicky?

[storm kettle]

afterburner

[quick rose]

I don't understand, you set your stuff, click disc icon, click profile, set it to start with Windows and forget it exists XD

[storm kettle]

I set the gpu clock to +150, that should normally he 1440mhz which is fine, but it ends up running at 1870mhz

[quick rose]

1050TI?

[storm kettle]

yes

base is 1290

[quick rose]

ya

[storm kettle]

I've been running it at 1440 for a long time and it works fine

[quick rose]

Set it all back to stock and just increase power limit and hit the check mark

wait

Are you looking at the VRAM clock?

[storm kettle]

1870 is way too high

gpu core clock

is there any other gpu app?

[quick rose]

I don't understand why you're having issues with afterburner TBH. Are your drivers up to date?

[storm kettle]

they are

everything else is fine except core clock

it ends up getting too hot and it doesn't even give extra performance

[quick rose]

Set it back to 0 then

CLick the core number, hit 0, then enter then the checkmark

[worn seal]

Is this accurate? I haven't heard about this being a thing or is it just Patriot's crappy dimm's that have issues.

[quick rose]

That's a load of crap XD

Do you have 16 GB modules or 8 gb modules x2

[worn seal]

I figured as much, I'm about to just yell at them and say "If you know that Ryzen struggles with 3600mhz 16gb dimm's why do you sell this kit and blatantly advertise it as "Amd optimized"" I have 2x16

[quick rose]

Cuz I have 2x16 Ripjaws

3600 mhz

boots fine

always has

[worn seal]

I'm just bummed I wasn't able to find this out back in November when I bought the kit because of GPU's so we'll see what I can convince patriot to do

[quick rose]

Yeah, that's a load IMO

[worn seal]

Unfortunately I'm kinda figuring at this point the best I'll get out of them is to rma this kit and get sent another kit that probably won't work any better.

[quick rose]

Maybe the RMA kit will work

[worn seal]

That's the hope at least. I'm gonna be real sad if I rma it and don't have a desktop for a week or two because of it and then they're not any better

[storm kettle]

ok I reinstalled msi afterburner and restarted my pc

I think I found the "issue"

it already boosts to 1440 even tho its set to 0

[quick rose]

Ah, that's not a bad thing

That means it's staying cool and boosting more

[storm kettle]

i think the OC settings stayed

I'll run a game and see if it goes over 1440

if my 1050ti breaks I only have a radeon hd 5670

1696mhz

why

I don't get it

piece of crap

how much can I sell the 1050ti for?

I don't want this pc anymore

[robust aurora]

150 $ i think

[storm kettle]

sounds like its about to take off to the moon

[sterile flame]

how to overclock my keyboard lmao

[proven canopy]

[zenith palm]

yes

[sterile flame]

\

nice emojis

[sudden torrent]

https://youtu.be/6hoVDburJ-I

[sterile flame]

now how to overclock my hand

[lavish tundra]

gym

[sterile flame]

now how to overclock my toe

[lavish tundra]

gym

[sterile flame]

now how to overclock the gym

[sudden torrent]

Personal trainer

[sterile flame]

@worn sealAm i reading that right?

are you running the sticks at 1.2v?

[worn seal]

That was one of the many things they had me try yea

Higher voltages appeared to be even less stable

[sudden torrent]

Wow what a classic 'we refuse to help you, it's not our problem' answer they gave. "Limited by the ryzen cpu" I call BS

[worn seal]

Oh yea they're sticking to their guns that it's Ryzen they didn't address any of my other points in my last email just that its only a ryzen problem and they hope amd will fix it

[sudden torrent]

It's completely the IC they used, especially if that's really the xmp profile 3600c22.
Bad IC won't respond well to more voltage anyway.

[worn seal]

Yup but I'm well out of return window having bought them in November and been unable to test them until a few weeks ago. So right now it looks like yell at them and get sent another kit with bad IC's or try and sell the kit to someone with an intel system hoping it will actually work for them and buy a new kit

[worn seal]

Checking if the kit works on an intel pc is something I might be able to get a local computer shop (if I can find one) to do right?

[sudden torrent]

Yes, I'm sure most local places that do builds will help you

[sterile flame]

hows my ram oc

($53 oloy kit)

spektek ics

(spektek micron b die)

reject micron

[zenith palm]

So loosen timings to cl18 and 3600, see if it posts, occt or tm5 mem test then tighten timings to try go back to 16-18-18-40 or something

[sudden torrent]

Rev b micron is seen in kits rated at 4400c19
Something is screwy of that's the best you an do

[quick rose]

FCLK with AMD 3100 cpu

[sudden torrent]

I wasn't suggesting they try 4400c19, just pointing out that it should be able to do much better

[tall pelican]

8gbit revb is 💩 (guessing since xmp is 3000c16 that its 8gbit)

[sudden torrent]

Ah true it's probably 8Gb

[sterile flame]

lol

its bad bin rev e

spektek

[sterile flame]

i wanna be at cl16

tho

[zenith palm]

Yeah but to start you loosen timings, on Ryzen the higher fclk is important

Then you can tighten back down to possibly cl16

But 3600cl17 or cl18 would be fine

[sterile flame]

ik

but i got better

with cl16

[sterile flame]

3600 cl17 isnt possible

highest ive gotten is 3733mhz cl18-22-22-42

and i cant even change subtimings

[zenith palm]

Meh

I'd just do 3600cll18 with tighter timings, you're probs already stressing the fclk on a 3rd gen cpu

[sudden torrent]

If you disable gear down mode you can have odd numbered cl, but it might not be stable unless you change command rate to 2 which hurts a lot

[latent sphinx]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Z590-P-Motherboard-Thunderbolt-Support/dp/B08VGXKB9T/ref=asc_df_B08VGXKB9T/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=494674935091&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1132100601984883856&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9011961&hvtargid=pla-1241738397047&psc=1 is this mobo good for oc (10600kf)

if anything i found a few other good ones

this ones just white lol

nvm its not very good

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144305?item=N82E16813144305&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-motherboards - intel-_-msi-_-13144305&source=region imma get this one instead

[tall pelican]

cpu side it should be fine, I'd more lean towards gigabyte z590 elite for that price range though

[latent sphinx]

its too expensive

im looking for under 200

[tall pelican]

neither will have cpu die voltage sense, and msi memory overclocking is

[sterile flame]

why z590

eh

nvm

[wicked musk]

Hey anyone good with overclocking have a minute to help me out I'm attempting to overclock my ram but I'm stuck I can't get the d.o.c.p settings to work

[lavish tundra]

what die you got?

[quick rose]

DOCP is XMP timings

If you're overclocking DOCP won't apply anyway because you'll be manually setting speed and timings

[lavish tundra]

^

[wicked musk]

It's gskill 3600 ca14 2x8

[lavish tundra]

what die is that tho

[quick rose]

3600 C14 is most likely B die

[lavish tundra]

Or maybe CJR

[quick rose]

Might be

[wicked musk]

How do I check?

[lavish tundra]

thaiphoon burner

[zenith palm]

Taiphoon is unreliable but it will give you a guess

[lavish tundra]

Well not like the sticker is always right either

[quick rose]

It's not that unreliable lol

[zenith palm]

It said my corsair vengance 3200c16 was b die ;-;

[quick rose]

Bdie what though

Samsung isn't the only Bdie

[zenith palm]

It said Samsung b die

[lavish tundra]

it said my 3200c16 ripjaws kit was samsung b as well

[quick rose]

Could have been low bin B die

[zenith palm]

Was c die :/

[lavish tundra]

SAME

[tall pelican]

3600c14 is bdie

And thaiphoon reads all 8gbit samsung as bdie

Its not really thaiphoon's fault since the spd wasn't programmed with the data

[zenith palm]

Ahh i see

So it works for 16gb+ sticks?

[wicked musk]

It says it's b die

[lavish tundra]

@tall pelican is this good for c die?

[tall pelican]

Seems fine, as long as its stable

[lavish tundra]

its stable over 6 hrs of extreme anta

[wicked musk]

@lavish tundra do you think you could help me out?

[lavish tundra]

Ask fitz tbh

He knows FAR more than me

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xz_rQgNFQF3Dm0yHJBzldVkal5jmfI9Ug9tnpjky5Bc/edit#gid=0

you can refer to that sheet by fitz

[sterile flame]

ok so this isnt really overclocking but

my rx580 has been having issues and i read up online on help forums that upping the voltage on the vram can help fix them

but i dont know how much is safe to do so

[quick rose]

You can't control VRAM voltage, that's for the core.

[sterile flame]

whelp ok its just under vram tab

shows that for the core

[proven canopy]

Vram voltage on a polaris card should be a fixed 1.5v, so don't think that's it

You can use a vbios editor

[sterile flame]

imma just underclock the vram then

its just easier

if you care what the issue was, its that my 580 keeps crashing randomly in games

someday i can game for hours with nothing, some days i play something like gta5 and it crashes in 10 minutes

[pseudo grove]

My cpu hit 420 hz and it started smoking what do I do

[tall pelican]

[dull ginkgo]

4.2

[undone flame]

Anyone got a guide for overclocking ram?

[quick rose]

#overclocking message

Click that

[undone flame]

@quick rose Jesus christ I'm sorry dude lol. I thought you were showing me the channel not the actual comment

[undone flame]

1.5V safe on sk hynix ram?

[quick rose]

No

[undone flame]

Suggestions? I was thinking of increasing to 1.45

But haven't found any documentation

There probably is documentation but I cant visit certain websites

[tall pelican]

Do you know what ic you have? DJR is fine to 1.6v

Most of hynix is 1.45v safe

[undone flame]

Okay thanks. How would I figure out the ic?

[tall pelican]

Depends on the manufacturer, corsair and gskill have codes on the label

[undone flame]

Aight bet

Thanks

[restive ridge]

if i'm overclocking a Ryzen 5 5600x should i go with liquid cooling? or would air cooling be fine

[dull ginkgo]

depends how good a chip and how far you want to go

se-224-xt will suffice for most

[proven canopy]

Get an arctic freezer aio

[zenith palm]

a scythe fuma 2 would also suffice plenty

[tall pelican]

I'd lean towards an aio for 5600x since it'll do better at keeping the entire cpu colder, as opposed to needing everything to heat up in order to dissipate heat

[zenith palm]

Yes aio would be better but if under more budget i guess

[tall pelican]

you can get even a coolermaster 120 for like $40

[zenith palm]

120mm?

120mm like about as good as stock cooler

[tall pelican]

sure for sustained heavy loads

if you're running just a few cores in games, the liquid temp will remain low, and give about the same performance as a 240-280

[zenith palm]

i see

[fair oyster]

whats a pc

[zenith palm]

Printed sand go brr

[zenith palm]

For my 3070 it has a tdp of like 220w and it stops at 100% in afterburner, should i flash the bios to the strix model or something to get better oc?

[proven canopy]

You could.

[zenith palm]

You think the extra 100w would help much that would make it worth my time though?

[proven canopy]

It could, moreso if you have a big cooler

[zenith palm]

its a 3 fan one? gigabyte gaming oc

should be enough right?

[proven canopy]

Can't hurt ot try

[zenith palm]

Okay thanks

[sudden torrent]

Well it could hurt if it's an incompatible bios or a bad flash...

[zenith palm]

In what way could it be incompatible, and its a dual bios card so i wouldn't be in trouble I'd be able to reflash the old one

[tall pelican]

2 8 pin vs 3 8 pin shenanigans, or if the higher power limit is too much for your cooler

[sudden torrent]

Dual bios you're fine to play around with it

[zenith palm]

Ahh okay thanks

[sterile flame]

3070 strix is 2 8 pins iirc

[jolly oracle]

noob question, i made my 5600x core clock 4.8ghz in bios and now my pc just sits at 4.78ghz idle, is overclocking supposed to keep the pc at the selected speed and not "relax" and is this bad for the cpu in the long run?

[tall pelican]

2 things:

1: task manager (if its remotely accurate) will always under report cpu speed

this is 5.3

2: dont use manual speed or voltage on ryzen 5000, pbo is safer and will do better than manual overclocking

[jolly oracle]

alright ill try pbo enabled again without manual ocs, i think it was cuz with it enabled running cinebench or furmark cpu burner didnt even push it to 4.6ghz

[tall pelican]

yeah, in all core heavy workloads, it'll throttle down to remain safe

raise your power limits (ppt, edc and tdc), and as long as vcore and frequency are on auto, the cpu will self govern to stay safe

and pbo scalar on 1x (sometimes auto will go 4x or 10x and nuke the cpu)

[jolly oracle]

would uk the differences of the enhanced mode vs auto and enabled

[tall pelican]

go adv

then you'll see pbo limits

[jolly oracle]

see it

[tall pelican]

5600x right?

[jolly oracle]

yep

[tall pelican]

go 150 ppt, 100 for edc and tdc

[jolly oracle]

any other settings I should change?

[tall pelican]

you can mess with curve optimizer, it helps with heavy multi core loads, but testing stability is finicky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU5qLJqTSAc&t=1241s&ab_channel=bosmang does a good job of explaining

[jolly oracle]

alright thanks, I'll use pbo with ur settings for now and maybe play with curve optimizer later

[remote spade]

Is it okay to overclock to max settings?

[dull ginkgo]

Depends on what you're referring to

Max voltage, not neat

Max power limit, ye do it

[worn seal]

"not neat" 😂 that's as hilarious as much as its solid advice

[sudden torrent]

I almost want to try maxing the voltage on my old 8300 now
Maybe I'll get a LN2 pot and go for world records, or maybe it will literally go up in smoke

[proven canopy]

I know keep is selling his pot and inferno pretty cheaply

[eager bane]

can i overclock ram by just upping the voltage and frequency? Or do i need to mess with the timings too

[zenith palm]

you need to mess with timings

usually

[eager bane]

k

[sudden torrent]

Sometimes just upping the frequency works but won't be as good results as tuning timings

[dark ferry]

I wonder if my 32GB Gskill Trident Z 3200 could do 3600. Not sure if I feel knowledgeable enough to mess with timings though.

[sterile flame]

what die

[zenith palm]

Probably 3600cl18 depending on which die you have

[lavish tundra]

use thaiaphoon burner and tell what die it uses

[dark ferry]

It claims Bdie. I also checked the ID that Thaiphoon gives for the sticks and went to the Samsung listing on their website which also claimed Bdie, but I don't know if it's accurate or not. I haven't pulled the sticks yet to read the ID right off the sticks.

[zenith palm]

Yeah i think g skill have a model number on the sticker

[lavish tundra]

Yep

gskill and corsair do iirc

[zenith palm]

Ye

3200cl16 doesn't sound like b die to me

[lavish tundra]

32GB

[zenith palm]

Unless it's like 3200cl14

[zenith palm]

I suppose yeah

[lavish tundra]

larger capacity lower timings

[tall pelican]

[runic cradle]

intel or AMD?

[dark ferry]

Intel.

[runic cradle]

ah ok

[lavish tundra]

how does that matter lol?

[runic cradle]

I could link a video that shows step by step instruction on memory tuning on AMD

[quick rose]

#overclocking message

[lavish tundra]

its basically the same on both platforms tho...

[runic cradle]

yes, but the video I have in mind specifies tools that specifcially made for AMD. using 1usmus' tools

[quick rose]

Clock tuner for Ryzen?

Don't use that

Overvolts your CPU, it's bugged

Ask the HWbot folks

[lavish tundra]

CTR told me to daily 1.35V lmao

[runic cradle]

I didnt see any CPU changes. was just for getting memory details and telling you what memory you have and changes to memory setting in bios

[quick rose]

#special-role-channel message

[lavish tundra]

dont have access to channel

[quick rose]

Better to use DRAM calc

and the DDR4 guide

[quick rose]

A sorry brb

[lavish tundra]

Ahhh I see

CTR bad

[runic cradle]

ok. gotcha. Learn somehting new every day

[runic cradle]

btw, yes thats the tool that was in the videos I was going to link

[quick rose]

That one is fine

CTR isn't

[sterile flame]

aye yo I just hit 4.5 on 1.25 on all eight cores on a 3700x did i do a good job?

im like new so plz dont flame

[zenith palm]

1.25v?

[clever epoch]

prime95 stable?

or is it "cinebench stable"

[sterile flame]

no my b 1.125

[zenith palm]

What?

[clever epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[zenith palm]

No way that's stable

[sterile flame]

im checkin cinebench

maybe im tripping

i oc on ryzen master

[clever epoch]

that'll do it

[sterile flame]

wym

[clever epoch]

you're going to crash as soon as you run prime95

promise

[zenith palm]

Yeah

[sterile flame]

what is prime 95

[zenith palm]

Stress test

[sterile flame]

im laughing rn

so what voltage would hit 4.5 stable normally

on a 3700x

[clever epoch]

not a voltage you can run daily

[sterile flame]

ah

[zenith palm]

Silicon lottery but not a daily one

[sterile flame]

Yea

Crashed

[zenith palm]

Degradation

[sterile flame]

Lmfao

As soon as i hit start test

[clever epoch]

told you

[sterile flame]

Yea

[zenith palm]

Yeah getting into windows shouldn't be taking into consideration

[clever epoch]

I don't think he even booted into windows

he said he's using RM so he just set it after booting

[zenith palm]

Idk mb yeah

[sterile flame]

I hit it with a auto overclock

From rm

[clever epoch]

recommendation: Don't bother with an all-core OC for your 3700x unless you're planning on running all core workloads all the time.

Just go into BIOS and adjust your PBO settings. If you have a reasonable cooling solution (good air cooler/AIO, NOT the stock cooler) you can run 130W PPT, and set your TDC and EDC to ~70A (probably more)

or just set it to automatic PBO if you don't want to play with it

[zenith palm]

Auto oc is bleh at that stage just do pbo

[sterile flame]

Oh

Okay

[clever epoch]

don't bother with autoOC. If you want something easy, just enable PBO

[sterile flame]

I have a 240mm watercooler from corsair

[zenith palm]

Should be fine

Not great but will keep it cool anyway

[sterile flame]

Cool enough

Welp

[left blade]

EpilepticEwok#0981 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sterile flame]

What

I thought i won the lottery

[zenith palm]

Nah lol

You gotta stress an oc before saying it lol

[sterile flame]

Good to know

Yeahh

But i thought it did with ryzen master

But apparently it doo doo

So 🤷‍♂️

Well thank yall 😂

[clever epoch]

don't bother with software OC tbh. You have to use the BIOS to do anything significant

[zenith palm]

Ryzen master runs a 30 second test anyway sooo

Maybe it's 60 sec i can't remember

[sterile flame]

okay will do

it 30 you can change it i think tho

[zenith palm]

Just use cinebench or p95 r sum

[quick rose]

OCCT works too

[zenith palm]

Ye but they already have 1 of those i think

[lavish tundra]

The ryzen master stress test is a scam

Just to test it out I slapped on 4.6 all core at 1.298V on my 3600x

It said it was fine

Crashed the pc while opening hwinfo

[zenith palm]

Lol

[lean helm]

so uh my cpu is somehow overclocked after i turned cbs for ryzen off, and set it to auto and i dont want the cpu overclocked should i just reset the bios to default settings and just re do my ram overclock? or where should i look to put the cpu to the original mhz speed?

[icy nymph]

may I ask, what's the benefits to overclocking?

[proven canopy]

Internet flex points

[lavish tundra]

extra performance

[zenith palm]

Just use pbo it's better than auto oc

[lavish tundra]

Pbo is good enough tbh

[sterile flame]

PBO is auto oc

smh

[zenith palm]

No there's an actual auto oc in Ryzen master

[sterile flame]

sarcasm

[quick rose]

I think they're confusing boost with overclock TBH

[lavish tundra]

sounds like it

[zenith palm]

It didn't come off that way lol

[austere phoenix]

i have t-force vulcan z ram rated for 3000mhz is it safe to oc it to 3200mhz

[quick rose]

Probably not

But you can try

[lean helm]

whats pbo

[quick rose]

Are you sure it's not just normal processor boosting? they all boost normally...........

[zenith palm]

Pbo is precision boost overdrive but as vintage said it's most likely just the processor boosting which is what they all do

[lean helm]

idk its at like 3,8 ghz instead of 3,6

it spikes to 3,9 sometimes

[quick rose]

What cpu

[lean helm]

ryzen 5 3500x

[quick rose]

Normal

Should boost to 4.something ghz

[lean helm]

wat

wtf

4 ghz

automatically?

[quick rose]

yes

All modern CPU's do that

[lean helm]

oh

[modern walrus]

Okay, let me start by conceding that probably everyone in here knows way more about this than I do. That said--I've been trying to grasp this conceptually for a few weeks now--can someone please tell me where my logic is flawed here? Obviously, y'all know how LLC works. I'm concerned here with the first 2 Modes. i.e. Mode 2 is flat (no decrease with increased load on CPU). Mode 1 actually increases voltage with load, unlike Modes 3+. After 5 years of being an electrician, I know W=AV, i.e. wattage can be increased by increasing amps or volts. Electrical wires are broadly rated for voltage, but strictly rated for amperage. Common US commercial systems are typically 120 or 277v per phase. So, for example, a 2000w light would (ignoring 3-phase calculations for simplicity) need 16.67 amps at 120 volts. That same 2000w light would only need 7.2 amps at 277v, the difference between requiring #12AWG wire vs #16AWG wire or a lot more copper to transmit the same wattage. Accordingly, it would make sense to me that rather than setting LLC to drop or maintain constant voltage under load, the most electrically efficient approach is to allow voltage to increase with load. Again, lower voltage needs higher amps. Where voltage & conductor size are constant, increasing amperage results in more heat which in turn increases resistance (ohms). I guess what I'm trying to understand conceptually is why overclocking focuses much more on CPU voltage rather than CPU amperage when the limiting factor on performance of hardware in most instances is temperature. i.e. if your CPU wants 150w, it needs 125 amps at 1.2v but 115.4 amps at 1.3v

which in theory means, 1.2 v would result in greater heat production than 1.3v

[tall pelican]

ngl, I stopped reading at the "after 5 years of being an electrician" part, but voltage is being read from a superio that guesses at what voltage is

[modern walrus]

uh to sum it up, more amps=more heat. more volts=less amps.

[tall pelican]

I think you missed the part where amps = volts/resistance

[modern walrus]

so why is running CPU at 1.28 volts better for it than running it at 1.38 volts? In theory the latter produces less heat

[tall pelican]

more volts = more amps

[sudden torrent]

In a perfect scenario yeah but PCs are far from ideal

[modern walrus]

but watts=amps x volts

[tall pelican]

watts = v^2 /r

[modern walrus]

Wouldn't resistance be constant?

[tall pelican]

no

[modern walrus]

there's four parts to Ohm's Law, voltage, amperage, resistance, and power (typically measured in watts)

[tall pelican]

semiconductors change resistance when electricity is applied to them

[modern walrus]

ah I see

that's probably where I'm getting confused

copper doesn't do that lol

[tall pelican]

more work the cpu does, more amps it pulls

to get the cpu to do more work, you increase the frequency, and to increase frequency, it needs more voltage

[modern walrus]

so does if you increase voltage do you increase or decrease resistance in a semi-conductor?