You followed up your advice about the correct pin out with a picture that shows what the cables are and what header they belong to.
#building-and-recc-chat
forest briar
This stuff is expensive and it is still an electrical component, safety should always be at the front of your mind when dealing with these things. Again you don’t know this guys skill level, and you can probably imagine someone who isn’t as knowledgeable as you seeing something potentially unsafe might not make them feel too great about you or your advice.
So that’s why you follow up with an educational resource to help them understand.
I learned it isn’t a hard task, and it’s relatively safe if you follow the video.
Therefor I would be more inclined to following your advice.
olive cypress
Ok, understood. I'll try my best next time,
Btw I'd like to know how it's going @gentle shale
frigid night
No hard feelings man
Off with his head!
frigid night
gentle shale
Ok, understood. I'll try my best next time,
Btw I'd like to know how it's going...
I’ve tried to do everything except do the jump start with the power supple
Cause I need to go buy paper clips lol
topaz kestrel
you can use anything that can conduct electricity like a screwdriver
wait i thought you meant jump starting the mobo, ignore me
olive cypress
Cause I need to go buy paper clips lol
Uuuh
a small cable you don't need? Nothing?
hallow glen
what is the best prebuilt for $1000 dollars right now
fossil cedar
This has to be a pricing error or not legit seller( it would have to be an antonline impersonation)
https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000F-01FP1
Excluding that one
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali569-master/p/N82E16883360199R?item=N82E16883360199R
empty pollen
well 350k sales and almost 90%
must be a price error
prices seems ok on other hardware from them
very sus indeed
fossil cedar
Worth a shot, will they honour it maybe not but if they do
hallow glen
Worth a shot, will they honour it maybe not but if they do
yeah my friend is gonna try that one, and if not he will buy the other one
fossil cedar
Lol
hallow glen
||definitely not going to steal it||
empty pollen
yeah maybe a huger error, thats 2tb of hard drive
1 ssd and 1 hdd
the 3070 alone is worth the 500
empty pollen
tempted as well
hallow glen
well, my friend is pulling the trigger right now soo im hoping it works out for him
marsh sluice
that would be a hell of a deal
empty pollen
too good to be true
sharp bear
Building a Rtx 3060 build for a friend, is this a good one: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BmNXnt ?
marsh sluice
scrolling down and looking at the spec tab, it says the cpu is a 11700f
I bet the web site screwed up the links
empty pollen
yeah its kinda sus
but antonline name is on the line
indeed
the 3070 alone is worth the shot
anyhting else is just a big plus
hallow glen
he bought it and its shipping from the 15th to 17th lol
empty pollen
they can cancel the order at any moment, just pray
mossy venture
This has to be a pricing error or not legit seller( it would have to be an anton...
Unless the price changed, that looks normal
$950 for an open box 3060 build
mossy venture
Oh
Thought it was the same one, just linked weirdly
Yeah, forgot a 1 at the start lol
fossil cedar
he bought it
🤞
mossy venture
My guys upset no one answered his question in a discord where none of us get paid to help. Aside from the power supply and ram, it looks fine
sharp bear
He will only be gaming at 1080p
mossy venture
Get anything off of the A or B tier sections on the tier list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling
For ram, corsair makes terrible ram
There's a g.skill 3200c16 32gb kit cheaper than thwt
empty pollen
corsair is terribly overpriced in almost anything
fossil cedar
My guys upset no one answered his question in a discord where none of us get pai...
And I've helped before looks to be same list they used that they made changes to
rich void
he bought it
Looks like the price got corrected, any changes to your friend's order?
hallow glen
Looks like the price got corrected, any changes to your friend's order?
haven't checked yet ill check w/ him
trim acorn
i want a new build but should i wait for the 40 series and ddr5?
mossy venture
i want a new build but should i wait for the 40 series and ddr5?
ddr5 is out, its just overpriced
trim acorn
sure but pcie 4 isn't
strong raft
Can get ddr4 that's 4500c20 btw. 
. Z690 has pcie4...
empty pollen
for a very loooong time
strong raft
Perhaps he's thinking of AMD only. 
mossy venture
pcie is backwards compatible
so even if new gpus are pcie 5.0, it will still work on pcie 4.0
trim acorn
but then again new gen cpu's aren't here yet so that's my debate
mossy venture
im waiting for 13th gen before buying
trim acorn
so even if new gpus are pcie 5.0, it will still work on pcie 4.0
pretty sure new gpu's won't be pcie5.0. current ones don't max pcie3.0 iirc
mossy venture
so then whats the point of waiting for 5.0
mossy venture
by the time pcie 5.0 is utilized properly, your cpu will not be holding up
empty pollen
pcie5 already exists in 12th gen
strong raft
by the time pcie 5.0 is utilized properly, your cpu will not be holding up
3770 says shush. 
empty pollen
like a year old by now
trim acorn
i'm aware but 13th gen better plus w.e amd cis coming with next
mossy venture
3770 says shush. <:Kekw:817480683144216616>
3770 says put me out of my misery
trim acorn
4790k here with 980ti
trim acorn
they won't be releasing pcie6 or 7 anytime soon
they'll release specs but that's about it
empty pollen
tech advance very rapidly, youll be amazed
thats why you cant plan on "future-proof" builds
trim acorn
idk when rumors state l1,2,3 caches will be much larger it makes me want to wait out
empty pollen
every generation release larger caches
thing is, on tech, waiting could end in an endless game
strong raft
13th gen is Q4 of this year, really not far away. Finally AMD is going lga. AM5 and those cpus will be interesting to see
empty pollen
and 14th gen is next year
i can wait for 14th, but then i can wait on 15th as well and so on
thats how tech works
trim acorn
that's how it works for sure but the tech won't be changing...ex. pcie5.0, wifi 6, mb socket
astral holly
thing is, on tech, waiting could end in an endless game
So even though 40 series cards are supposedly coming out, I should just get a 3080 and go and even if the new ones are better, I’d be in a good spot
trim acorn
So even though 40 series cards are supposedly coming out, I should just get a 30...
i suppose that stands considering dlss2.0 is out and you won't be needed fsr ugrade from amd. but it all depends on your usage i suppose. do you 4k game?
do you like building at end of life cycle or hop on next gen tech?
astral holly
i suppose that stands considering dlss2.0 is out and you won't be needed fsr ugr...
I plan to 4k game
But also there probably not a chance I get new tech at MSRP at launch
trim acorn
msrp is also going to be higher this time around from what i've read/heard
but 40 series 4k performance will beat 30 series no doubt
strong raft
Imagine that. For 4k probably should think about the 4070 though, unless you can't wait those 6-7months
astral holly
So should I build my whole build to be read for the 40 series and then just buy them as soon as I can?
trim acorn
what card do you have now?
trim acorn
i would personally wait then for the 40 series. i'm a bit desperate since i'm on a 980ti.
astral holly
But then I could just buy the card and be 1000%
I’m not gonna buy a new GPU
But I’d rather build for it and be ready
trim acorn
one of my concerns with upgradability is that current sockets are at the end of their lifespan
strong raft
Well the new 12pin is definitely way better for sure. Simpler for future 1st time builders also not dealing w/ 2 or 3 power ports on the gpu.
trim acorn
Well the new 12pin is definitely way better for sure. Simpler for future 1st tim...
that is another major concern. great point. it will definitely be much more stable and hopefully power spikes will be a thing of the past.
astral holly
I’m just worried about grabbing the card
Rn no matter what I’m getting a gem 4 ssd for my computer so I can boot windows faster and put some games in there
Even though my mobo has a gen 3 slot. It’s mainly for when I upgrade I can easily move over and be good
trim acorn
by then ssd prices will probably be better though
empty pollen
the boot speed difference between gen 3 and gen 4 is barely noticeable
strong raft
lots of people will still be aiming for a discounted 30 series just based on budget. Btw P31 is still a great pick for ssd. Even a sata mx500 is barely slower during boot and game loading. Quite a few gen 4 ssds gettting well priced at least though.
trim acorn
buying new 30 series will be hard to come by since some production has been canceled to focus on 40 series sales (among other chips)
strong raft
Pfft, can still easily get ballistix and that was discontinued 6-7 months ago. There's way more 30 series than those. Plus the used market is getting flooded as mining rigs are sold
trim acorn
Well the new 12pin is definitely way better for sure. Simpler for future 1st tim...
have those psu's launched yet?
astral holly
So should I just get the ssd now for my pc and then when next gen comes our, buy all my stuff then?
Because also I wouldn’t get DDR5 now when it will def get better
trim acorn
you'll get a better deal on ssd then as well
strong raft
I mean do you need an ssd right now? I'll still suggest P31. Currently $170/2TB is pretty good, the P41 is $221. Some gen 4 are $200ish but it's about if those speeds are used.
astral holly
you'll get a better deal on ssd then as well
I need an ssd now
And I was told it needs to have dram or whatever the heck it is
trim acorn
when in need there's never a better time then now. buy what you need.
cyan ravine
And I was told it needs to have dram or whatever the heck it is
eh
strong raft
P31 has dram, but actually dram by itself isn't a big deal. Sn770 proved that. P31 is basically the best gen 3 btw.
cyan ravine
A lot of recommendations here are dramless lol
astral holly
Yeah
astral holly
And I wouldn’t need a heatsink with the p31
trim acorn
also power design phases is suppose to increase on next gen mb's right?
earnest olive
if you always wait for next gen, surprise, there's always a next gen to wait for
earnest olive
also power design phases is suppose to increase on next gen mb's right?
supposed to? dunno about that one, current mobos are getting overkill already
and mobo manufacturers are all predicting lower sales
mobo prices are too high now
trim acorn
i believe i read 18 phase will be here soon
cyan ravine
they potentially will upgrade it but most are pretty overkill now
trim acorn
well then i'm not wrong lol
earnest olive
i think my gpu has 22 phases
astral holly
if you always wait for next gen, surprise, there's always a next gen to wait for
Well duh
astral holly
But if I build for next gen, that makes sense since we know it’s coming soon
earnest olive
22 if you count SOC phases
astral holly
AMD next gen is this year righrv
trim acorn
supposedly
trim acorn
by this year q4 means you'll be buying it next year most likely due to availability
earnest olive
oof
i hope not
i remember how hard it was to get ryzen 5000
people were buying scalped ryzen cpus lol
mossy venture
z690 godlike has 20 105A phases
What are phases, by the way?
strong raft
Nah 12th gen was ez to get pretty quick. Bet 13th is similar. AMD is the wild card. I sure as heck not being a beta tester for amds lga
earnest olive
like vrm power stages
mossy venture
I know low phases are a bad thing for vrms, but I dont think I know what they actually do
mossy venture
Kk
strong raft
Filters power for cpu is part of a vrm. Google it, voltage regulator something something. More is ok but a certain amount is "plenty".
astral holly
I mean for gaming and multi tasking tho would next gen AMD be better then getting intel
mossy venture
We can't answer that
That's like asking a meteorologist what the weather will be like in a year
strong raft
Not the best conparison, but true. Ask Doc Brown. (Shame on whowver doesn't know this reference)
mossy venture
The 7900x could absolutely destroy the 13900k, while the 7600x could destroy the 13400
Or amd could absolutely sweep the competition and beat 13th gen all around, or vice versa
We have no way of knowing
astral holly
That's like asking a meteorologist what the weather will be like in a year
Well you could predict that, not 100% certain, but predict
mossy venture
Well you could predict that, not 100% certain, but predict
We cannot predict the performance of something that does not yet exist
astral holly
We cannot predict the performance of something that does not yet exist
I know but saying you can’t predict weather in the future isn’t true lol
trim acorn
you can always predict. that's the meaning of the word.
strong raft
13th gen just adds/adjusts Ecores & ups the ipc a bit. Am5 will be Pcore & Ecore also afaik. Hah jimbo, guess vs predict.
mossy venture
you can always predict. that's the meaning of the word.
We literally cannot
We have exactly zero way of knowing what the performance of next gen cpus will be like
For all we know, 12th gen could beat both of them lmao
trim acorn
We literally cannot
you literally can. you can make an educated prediction based on the information you know is true today. we are not talking about wishful thinking here.
mossy venture
you literally can. you can make an educated prediction based on the information ...
We know no information, because the cpus do not exist
Benchmarks do not exist
strong raft
5600X3D on the way. edit: someone needs to lookup the definition of predict vs guestimate.
mossy venture
All we have are core counts and leaks saying the caches on 7000 series will be higher
Which do not translate to us having guesses as to the performance
trim acorn
We know no information, because the cpus do not exist
to get back to using the weather example, you don't need it to be raining now/here to predict it will rain. smh
mossy venture
Its like talking to a wall
trim acorn
that is why both intel and amd release architecture roadmaps. there is definitely information available. and then plenty of rumors.
mossy venture
While we have the roadmaps
We do not have any knowledge about the performance
Because that requires
The cpu
trim acorn
it's like talking to a frog? lol
trim acorn
you can almost certainly bank on the fact that a next gen product will outperform a current gen product.
mossy venture
And when comparing
Two things
That don't yet exist
We cannot tell you what will be better
trim acorn
furthermore when you consider things like new cpus will have more l cache fast memory you can safely predict that they will be better for gaming for instance.
mossy venture
There's more to a cpu then cache
Raphael could have higher cache, but still lose to raptor lake. Because that isn't all that matters
And we cannot tell you what will be better
Because we have no f***ing clue
cyan ravine
to get back to using the weather example, you don't need it to be raining now/h...
a lot of times, like a weatherman, people get it still wrong despite all the information available lol
trim acorn
i guess time will tell. remember this convo. lol
mossy venture
You literally haven't said what would be better
mossy venture
This convo has amounted to nothing
trim acorn
because it was all based on predictions. that's all it is. predictions.
trim acorn
we should do a poll to see who here thinks a next gen product will be worse than a current gen.
strong raft
Still clogging up build chat w/ broken records. 
mossy venture
we should do a poll to see who here thinks a next gen product will be worse than...
11th gen, with the exception of i5s, was worse than their 10th gen counterparts
10700k beats 11700k 9 times out of 10
Same with 10900k and 11900k
strong raft
10900 was a 10core though... ill admit Simply having pcie4 or an extra m2 slot probably wasn't worth it.
trim acorn
that can certainly hold true but the fact remains that generally when a next gen product is released it will outperform current gen. it really isn't rocket science.
mossy venture
Yes, however
forest briar
trim acorn
you make predictions. finshed it for you
forest briar
Jimbo my man. We don’t need to be condescending.
mossy venture
Oh I'm being condescending too
forest briar
To a much lesser degree
cyan ravine
that can certainly hold true but the fact remains that generally when a next gen...
rocket lake certainly wasn't rocket science 
mossy venture
If this server wasn't sfw, I'd have cussed up and down by now
trim acorn
lol
no need to break a sweat. was just trying to help the other user decide whether to buy now or wait. but somehow we need to discuss on what the meaning of a prediction really means.
cyan ravine
this reminds me of the latest exynos chip, that was predicted to be good but look at it now
forest briar
trim acorn
you shouldn't get offended on a discussion chat. mute away.
strong raft
1630 who? Haha
cyan ravine
1030 super 
late fjord
1030 super <:leokek:799516144486580254>
😂
trim acorn
cyan ravine
they said similar things about 11th gen perf improvements though lol
trim acorn
intel 11th gen vs 10th gen?
cyan ravine
9900K's done right have parity with 10th and 11th gen
trim acorn
yes i remember they weren't recommended versus previous gen iirc
cyan ravine
another good example is the current gen exynos, and that was a product AMD had input with
trim acorn
not sure what they were saying at the time though. although companies due lie all the time.
cyan ravine
exactly though, you reached the roundabout point of what we're saying
we understand they will try to release something better, but in reality, you don't know until it's out
trim acorn
companies love using in house benchmarks which rarely equate to real life performance comparisons in tasks users do
cyan ravine
that's why even making educated predictions is grossly unreliable
there's too many variables
trim acorn
i understand that 100%. i wasn't saying it wans'nt the case
trim acorn
anyhow hope it's water under the bridge. not that serious.
cyan ravine
I'm not mad, I've said more than I should by now 
def water under the bridge here lol
trim acorn
came in here to ask for build suggestion lol
strong raft
Wouldn't even hurt if the past 100ish* msgz here were just purged
cyan ravine
I joined halfway so I wouldn't know
trim acorn
can't log into my account in forums
empty pollen
indeed, my man, none around here can predict nor guess anything now, there is no chip yet, just rumors here and there, and no.... a newer gen dont automatically outperforms an older gen
i took my time to read all the chat, very... educational
trim acorn
weren't both the 10th and 11th gen on the same nm node process?
fossil cedar
Yes 6th gen? and 11th gen whwre technically the same nm just revision
14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++?!+£-#!#+++++
trim acorn
also both used the same socket
hence why i was predicting improvements from one nm process node to another
trim acorn
i think it was Samsung or another manufacturer that said they were discontinuing fabrication of larger chips
strong raft
Thicc dies save lives
cyan ravine
14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++?!+£-#!#+++++
fossil cedar
i think it was Samsung or another manufacturer that said they were discontinuing...
Well yeah they're not gonna keep making an old node, you don't see apple still making the iPhone 11 
cyan ravine
fossil cedar
omg <:kek:573911326942822406> https://preview.redd.it/ov0y8ccrzcq41.jpg?auto=web...
Tbf amd was minutes away from going bankrupt lol
cyan ravine
very true
trim acorn
Well yeah they're not gonna keep making an old node, you don't see apple still m...
true which is why moving from a larger node process to a smaller one typically means improvements.
strong raft
How many cpus have been ruined by bent/broken pins? INTEL =
trim acorn
i think amd is moving to pins now also
cyan ravine
lga yes
desert gulch
How many cpus have been ruined by bent/broken pins? INTEL = <:kekleo:971095797...
How many motherboards have been ruined by bent/broken pins?
Intel: 🤐
strong raft
Much fewer.
fossil cedar
Why make something better if good is good enough?
Less innovation because of no competition = more profits 
desert gulch
Next gen is gonna cause so much confusion lmfao
Intel on lga1800, amd on am5
Both LGA CPUs, I wonder who's gonna try what we all would love to see
fossil cedar
Am5 is gonna be lga 1718 anyway right?
desert gulch
Yeah
fossil cedar
Talk about confusion
desert gulch
Intel is lga1800 tho
fossil cedar
1700 atm
fossil cedar
Lga 1700
desert gulch
Lga1800
trim acorn
confused already
desert gulch
Intel just doesn't use all the pins currently with 12th gen
But RPL will be on lga1800 and fit in the same socket ADL does
Which is gonna cause wayyyy too much confusion
fossil cedar
What
fossil cedar
Hell nah
cyan ravine
uhh
desert gulch
Thank Intel for doing that
cyan ravine
I think the latest slide said RPL was 1700
fossil cedar
I aint counting pins screw that
cyan ravine
gimme a sec
desert gulch
RPL is 1800
empty pollen
Both LGA CPUs, I wonder who's gonna try what we all would love to see
porbably ltt
strong raft
Current adl mobos are 1700pins, and will simply work in lga1800 mobos
cyan ravine
it did say 1700
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453969287288455170/993774627870474280/unknown.png
empty pollen
same size for the cover
cyan ravine
it's still a 1700 socket lol
desert gulch
Current adl mobos are 1700pins, and will simply work in lga1800 mobos
Current boards are lga1700/1800
12th gen just doesn't use the extra 100 pins on there
empty pollen
maybe 800 series mobos will have lga 1800 but both will be the same size for cooler brackets... and the cover
thats why cover says 1700/1800
same size
different pinouts
strong raft
14th gen being lga1800 would be smart for Intel for a change
empty pollen
tldr plz 😄
cyan ravine
in the article
desert gulch
What I've been saying above lol
cyan ravine
lol
desert gulch
in the article
This was right before ADL came out
empty pollen
so, alder is using less pins from the socket?
empty pollen
man, cant wait for raptor lake! i want my new pc now!
desert gulch
Which is gonna stir up a ton of confusion next gen, which is always fun
Atleast this confirms we will at least get RPL on 600 series boards, lol
cyan ravine
yes
desert gulch
Never know with intel
mossy venture
man, cant wait for raptor lake! i want my new pc now!
all i need to buy for my new build is a cpu and mobo
desert gulch
Wouldn't be surprised if they switched to 1 CPU gen per socket lmfao
desert gulch
all i need to buy for my new build is a cpu and mobo
Damn traitor!
Keep the Raisin 5
trim acorn
intel is doing 2 cpus for next socket. amd will likely support there's for longer
mossy venture
i will only consider am5 if it supports ddr4
desert gulch
Getting like 5 years out of a am5 board would be sweet
desert gulch
i will only consider am5 if it supports ddr4
Looks like you're going RPL buddy
fossil cedar
intel is doing 2 cpus for next socket. amd will likely support there's for longe...
They didn't guarantee anything tho it could well be 2 years
trim acorn
i'm thinking am5 with 40 series? is this the move?
strong raft
I'll be watching all the lga1718 beta testers
cyan ravine
i'm thinking am5 with 40 series? is this the move?
no idea yet. lol
desert gulch
i'm thinking am5 with 40 series? is this the move?
40 series may be insanely late, there's been some rumors of January lmfao
In which case rdna3 could be the way if everything is right
fossil cedar
i'm thinking am5 with 40 series? is this the move?
Can't know until we see reviews and pricing
desert gulch
i would like it to be january tbh, I wanna see how mcm goes
The idea is cool but their execution isn't anything crazy
Mcm will just be for cache and io
It won't be like a 2x gaming perf type of deal
cyan ravine
yeah but even still, they supposedly downgraded the specs
desert gulch
But it'll help them get their foot in the door with it
cyan ravine
that could imply it was maybe too good? too much power? I'm extremely curious about it
especially the 32gb variant they apparently want to make
might be pointless if it's no good for workstation though
desert gulch
32gb but Nvidias most budget option still gonna slam it with cuda and tensor in productivity 💀
cyan ravine
that's what I mean 🤷
desert gulch
Some people def gonna buy the 32gb version tho to "future proof"
cyan ravine
I wanna see what they do with that one 👀
empty pollen
i will only consider am5 if it supports ddr4
😦 well you know it already, confrimed no support for ddr4 😦
empty pollen
either raptor or am5+ddr5
mossy venture
as long as it offers decent gains over 12th gen
desert gulch
Dw, biostar 100% will make a d4 board 💀, now we just gotta have a diff CPU...
empty pollen
who knows maybe will be a ddr5 gear 1 imc on raptor lake 😄
mossy venture
if it doesnt, and am5 is decently better, then i might consider it
or i might just get a 12th gen cpu used
desert gulch
Thank you for that ^
forest briar
Scrum
desert gulch
So who here is gonna put a zen 4 in a 600 series Intel board?
I want to see it
And you have to latch it btw
trim acorn
or this, lmao
https://www.pcgamer.com/asus-develops-a-ddr4-to-ddr5-adapter-card/
that looks terrible lol
desert gulch
But it's a rog thing, y'know
trim acorn
it's missing rgb though lol
desert gulch
Gl trying to fit any tower cooler on your board
Gamers
trim acorn
to add to the confusion
desert gulch
Yeah screw Intel this gen
Atleast they learned and hopefully wont repeat lga1151 again...
That was a nightmare
trim acorn
history has a tendency to repeat itself. i wouldn't hold my breath.
trim acorn
i haven't used amd cpu's in years. how well do they hold up in reliability?
i remember i hated how hot they would get. and their gpu's.
for gpu's it's why i tilt to nvidia for their driver support. not sure on cpu's though.
flint sapphire
5800x3d is basically a small fire but everything else is fine.
trim acorn
that's what i hate about this day and age of tech. let's make it juicier to squeeze performance vs power efficiency and performance
flint sapphire
nono, the 5800x3d is perfectly efficient, just the ihs seems to not be as effective since theres a layer of l3 cache ontop of the cpu cores
so it kinda heats up real fast
only draws ~120watts at max
trim acorn
liquid cooling doesn't solve the problem?
mossy venture
depends on the aio
flint sapphire
oh it does, its just a hot little chip
trim acorn
do any of you run the chip?
flint sapphire
I do on air.
cyan ravine
they also put like weird insulating glue inside the 5800X3D ihs
doesn't help much either
trim acorn
what aio would be sufficient? not sure i want to close loop.
flint sapphire
id say at minimum A 360
mossy venture
lian li galahad 360
flint sapphire
atm im running a dark rock pro 4 with some kryonaut for the memes, hits 90 in about 2 minutes of full load.
trim acorn
that's hot
flint sapphire
DRP4 isnt a baby air cooler either, it's pretty great for most cpu's just the heat on tht chip is kinda nuts
trim acorn
i lean towards water cooling. my aio failed just under 5 yrs and corsair replaced it no problems
i'd probably go ek this time around
flint sapphire
supposedly amd's new stuff is coming out around September 👀
trim acorn
maybe but since it's a new socket i'm sure it'll be a pain to grab a mobo i like and a compatible aio right off the bat.
empty pollen
rumor says spetember 15th
flint sapphire
It'll be fineeee
empty pollen
maybe but since it's a new socket i'm sure it'll be a pain to grab a mobo i like...
all am4 socket aios will be compatible
flint sapphire
*for a few cpu's, we aren't even certain about that I thought
thought they were gunna release some am4 editions
trim acorn
what is your opionion on mobo's like this? all this new cooling stuff.
i've seen some other crazier ones
trying to look them up right now
desert gulch
Very neat, if you have like $1k burning a hole in your pocket
flint sapphire
love the look, not the price
desert gulch
Ain't much better xD
flint sapphire
plus thats going custom water cooling, aka another price bump
trim acorn
just an example though. i was asking about the cooling features. do you deem them as worth it? i will be going water cooling.
yes i might buy an ek water cooling kit
flint sapphire
oooo looking foward to this build now
trim acorn
reservoir and all. why not? lol
cyan ravine
carbon ek x is supposed to be the cheaper waterblock included mobos isn't it?
trim acorn
i'm serious and anxious. wallet is open lol
flint sapphire
It's not really worth it, in most cases... but money burning a hole in your pocket... maybe 👀
trim acorn
i'm very undecisive so buying process can be very tedious for me
desert gulch
I'd just get a lf2 if you want almost best of the best for consumer aios
cyan ravine
oh is this the x570s?
desert gulch
Liquid freezer 360/420, on mobile atm
flint sapphire
the look of it is kinda meh tho especially compared to a custom loop
desert gulch
Almost as good as it gets
cyan ravine
it is the x570s, yeah no not necessary, just a liquid freezer 2
flint sapphire
Sure performance is pretty much the same, so price to perf wise its great.
trim acorn
the look of it is kinda meh tho especially compared to a custom loop
afraid of doing it plus thinking of the maintence headache or whenever i need to upgrade/install new hardware
desert gulch
No maintenance on a liquid freezer ii or most aios
flint sapphire
oh yeah then just go with the aio.
cyan ravine
get a good b550 with a liquid freezer II offset you'll do just as well for cheaper
desert gulch
100% better than a custom loop for most things
trim acorn
get a good b550 with a liquid freezer II offset you'll do just as well for cheap...
aren't z boards better?
cyan ravine
that's the x570s you put up there tho?
desert gulch
Z boards are intel
flint sapphire
They have active fans, which are noisy (x570)
trim acorn
yeah my bad current build is intel
desert gulch
Yea
cyan ravine
and no, b550 is for normies, x570 is for people who need more pcie lanes
trim acorn
that would be me
desert gulch
What do you need extra for?
trim acorn
not normal. r you could say.
cyan ravine
They have active fans, which are noisy (x570)
x570s has no fan but that's basically the difference 
desert gulch
B550 already has a gen 4 16x slot and m.2 slot
flint sapphire
well be aware the tiny fan on tht x570 can be annoying 
desert gulch
So for most people it's totally good
cyan ravine
jimbo, what are you plugging into the pcie slots of your next motherboard
trim acorn
i always like to put a sound card/dac and also just in case i want to install more m.2's with an adapter
that msi board is not what i'm going for. it was just an example for your opinion.
cyan ravine
you're using that much storage?
trim acorn
i have those. i want m.2 now
cyan ravine
there's very little reason for that even with direct storage api
sata ssd's are still plenty quick enough
you'd be saturating money on that when you didn't need to
trim acorn
this is my current board from 2015/16. not going the cheap route lol
cyan ravine
here's a board that will likely oc better, it's cheaper and it's b550
trim acorn
you'd be saturating money on that when you didn't need to
you are correct. although i most definitely need 1 for the OS. games could stay on my ssds
cyan ravine
sure, but b550 has a dedicated slot like x570 does for m.2's so it's still fine
trim acorn
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X this was the recommendation right?
cyan ravine
that board will run a 5950X no problem
trim acorn
think it was the 5800
cyan ravine
5800X3D as well
I would def pick a 5950X if I had to choose between that or a 5800X3D, or a 5900X for a much better choice
buying into AM4 rn not the greatest idea tho
trim acorn
same i think i want 16 cores vs 8
trim acorn
buying into AM4 rn not the greatest idea tho
why?
cyan ravine
you'll be better off on 12th gen, it's generally cheaper and you get pcie gen 5 as well as the performance gains over Ryzen 5000
trim acorn
isn't amd the king in gaming rn? plus more cores
mossy venture
5600 is slightly worse than 12400f, and more expensive
same with 12600kf to 5700x/5800x, and 12700f and 5900x
desert gulch
They're pretty equal in average tbf
Some games really love the extra cache the 5600(x) has over the 12400f
cyan ravine
They're pretty equal in average tbf
depends how you approach that one though, tuned, 12th gen is usually faster
trim acorn
Some games really love the extra cache the 5600(x) has over the 12400f
this was my understanding
desert gulch
So games like valorant, for example, lean heavily towards amd
But in value, 12th gen is the way to go
trim acorn
which one pulls less voltage
trim acorn
i'd love to give intel the middle finger for once
trim acorn
Like wattage?
yes
cyan ravine
Intel in games is lower wattage
trim acorn
which is more efficient
cyan ravine
idle is also lower on 12th gen than ryzen
cyan ravine
productivity tho AMD wins by a quarter mile
desert gulch
Yeah amd is awesome for that
Altho Intel with igp is nice for encoding/decoding stuff
cyan ravine
indeed
trim acorn
i just want to game, have tabs open, and maybe stream at the same time. but i'm going top of the line.
cyan ravine
what's your budget?
trim acorn
it isn't really a problem
more of wants so i need it atm lol
been gaming on my 4790k and 980 ti for too long
trim acorn
my 20 series laptop is great for portability but i need a new rig
cyan ravine
esp for games
trim acorn
ddr4 rn due to pricing and really not that much of an advantage
trim acorn
which i do like that intel you can ddr4 or 5
flint sapphire
ok new question, ddr4 or ddr5
But asrock taichi z690 👀 (it has a moving cog)
cyan ravine
ok, so 12600K has practically the same performance as 12900K in games, would you do that?
trim acorn
cores vs cores?
empty pollen
But asrock taichi z690 👀 (it has a moving cog)
sadly covered by the gpu xD
flint sapphire
nono its on the io shield
mossy venture
ok, so 12600K has practically the same performance as 12900K in games, would you...
technichally speaking, 12400f with unlocked power limits does at times
empty pollen
the one on the io moves as well?
cyan ravine
cores vs cores?
e cores means it doesn't really matter
flint sapphire
id honestly just go 12700k pretty much best of all worlds
mossy venture
12700f
trim acorn
kf
trim acorn
if anything i will be underclocking
mossy venture
you also have to add the extra price of a z690
flint sapphire
the taichi is absolutely over priced and more of a meme, its $400
mossy venture
empty pollen
if you want oc just go for 12900k, no point in ocing a 12700k
trim acorn
taichi is $210
flint sapphire
the power consumption is insane tho on the i9
mossy venture
12900f can run on a b660 mag bazooka
trim acorn
power efficiency is something i do take into consideration
empty pollen
personally ill go for a 13700f, best for gaming, best for work 😄
maybe a 13700 if my pocket allow it just for troubleshooting
trim acorn
personally ill go for a 13700f, best for gaming, best for work 😄
not out yet though
cyan ravine
empty pollen
i know, im planning to
cyan ravine
something like this
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yQj8jZ
ram isnt worth it over sp 3200c16
worse timings
cyan ravine
supernova gt is $50 for the psu btw but it wasn't on there
oh I didn't know that
one sec
mossy venture
g6 also $15 cheaper
cyan ravine
was
frigid night
I'm a winder!
empty pollen
i dont think b-stock is on partpicker
mossy venture
it isnt
trim acorn
btw if i buy now i'm probably going 3080ti or above
empty pollen
above 3080 is a waste
mossy venture
btw if i buy now i'm probably going 3080ti or above
3080 12gb performs within 3% of the ti
3080 ti is not worth the extra
trim acorn
current psu is 860w plat so i'm buying 1000+psu
cyan ravine
3080 12gb was so good they're trying to kill it
trim acorn
i like to leave ample room on my psu
mossy venture
850w is ample room
trim acorn
platinum means nothing
talking about a psu from a 2015/2016 build
mossy venture
talking about a psu from a 2015/2016 build
still doesnt mean anything
empty pollen
there are some extremely good bronze ones and crappy gold ones as an example
empty pollen
if you have a B or A tier 850w psu you will be fine
80 rating means nothing on quality, just on power efficiency
trim acorn
flint sapphire
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3080-ventus-3x-plus-12g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137712? ik the ventus kinda blows most of the time.
but tht price tho
mossy venture
$60 more for one of the best models
cyan ravine
honestly gaming z trio worth it for that bit more
trim acorn
forest briar
Lmao
trim acorn
yeah 2015 lmAO
cyan ravine
It's not like an AX so I would imagine the cultist recommendation would be "it may be time to change"
trim acorn
yeah i'm not putting that in my new build
trim acorn
current build will be downgraded to 1080p gaming or a server
trim acorn
i wouldn't buy that psu
cyan ravine
why not?
trim acorn
low wattage
cyan ravine
it's a decent b tier
trim acorn
sure
cyan ravine
eh 850w pretty high for current gen
mossy venture
850w is enough for a 3090
trim acorn
forget the power spikes?
cyan ravine
I ran a 3090 on an 850W
trim acorn
with what cpu?
rich void
I have a 750w with a 3080 Ti. Works great
frigid night
I run a 1650 super on 1kw
mossy venture
ive run a 6800xt on a 650w
cyan ravine
mine was 10850K
trim acorn
going 1000 minimum
empty pollen
1000 and above is overkill most of the time, only 12900k overclockers can really use those
cyan ravine
but I mean if you're too worried about it, G6 will save the day, top tier psu
cyan ravine
cpu you won't need more than a 12700f, value per performance gains drop into the single digits
mossy venture
i got the gt 850 off of b stock
cyan ravine
1 yr warranty? lol
half the catch lol. It'll still be better than most 1000W on the market
mossy venture
going to be sleeping with my 3060 ti, but plan to go for either 40 or 50 series
adapter time
bruh
cyan ravine
adaptering it
empty pollen
the man wants to plug himself with his card, let him be
trim acorn
bios support......amd or intel? which is better?
flint sapphire
Alright I made a meme build for you jimbo. Do not actually buy this please. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pHh66r
desert gulch
Alright I made a meme build for you jimbo. Do not actually buy this please. http...
12900ks.
desert gulch
Your list sucks tho frfr, not even a ks
frigid night
I think it needs a 5000D instead of the 4000D 🙂
flint sapphire
pfff 5000d has too much open space
trim acorn
Alright I made a meme build for you jimbo. Do not actually buy this please. http...
i'll take a look. what is the meme exactly?
flint sapphire
pfffffffffffffffff
trim acorn
i currently have a cosmos full tower lol
frigid night
cyan ravine
today is a fun day lol
cyan ravine
taichi 
flint sapphire
youre right as always of course how could i be so short sighted
empty pollen
a future proof build
frigid night
youre right as always of course how could i be so short sighted
How dare you?
stoic island
Where's axi
trim acorn
my current tower
empty pollen
you need a raijin aio as well
stoic island
new meme build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RdX978
Gotta get godlike too
empty pollen
best performance no doubt
frigid night
What about the 4k 4 monitor setup?
empty pollen
your pcp is full of performance holes
flint sapphire
nono i wanted a mechanical gadget like a cog in the case.
empty pollen
shame
cyan ravine
i'm working on it
empty pollen
raijin aio and godlike... or go home
cyan ravine
gotta fill out all the sata
trim acorn
frigid night
ew carpet
trim acorn
yeah i gotta put tile in the rooms
cyan ravine
yo anyone got 40k layin around https://pcpartpicker.com/list/24nsmr
frigid night
Rip your components when static electricity strikes.
cyan ravine
$20 discount NICE
trim acorn
yo anyone got 40k layin around https://pcpartpicker.com/list/24nsmr
all those monitors lmao
cyan ravine
bro 4 vertical side-by-side
trim acorn
i don't need those monitors for that lol
also i'm not looking to buy a new monitor atm
cyan ravine
||(it's a meme build I'm not being serious)||
trim acorn
when is dp 2.0 coming to monitors?
trim acorn
i like that you didn't underestimate me on psu though
cyan ravine
ok real talk? If you wanna spend big on a psu, an AXi is really good, but with atx 3.0 around the corner, even that one is not worth it in the slightest
frigid night
I mean, I'm running a 12600k/2070 super on a 1kw lol
cyan ravine
850W G6 is enough for pretty much anything conventional for gaming in 2022 (Maybe not 3090 Ti/12900K? 🤷 )
frigid night
The only reason I went for a 1kw is because there was an A tier that was on super sale so I figured why not.
trim acorn
a tier b tier....is this the new psu quality name rebranding?
cyan ravine
no this is from a collated list from a group called the cultists network, they literally pour half their life into psu's
they take sources from tons of reviews, compare platform internals, oems, everything
desert gulch
They don't compare oems a ton from what I understand, it's more just about how it does in testing
cyan ravine
a lot of the discussion I see in their discord is about which oem is this psu or that psu lol
desert gulch
Ye but tier is just testing stuff, and fan stuff etc
empty pollen
and all kinds of protection built on those
trim acorn
is it better to water cool the cpu and gpu separate or will one closed loop be best for performance?
mossy venture
Closed loops aren't worth it unless you're doing heavy overclocking
Hell, gpu water cooling isn't either
mossy venture
For a closed loop, you're looking at an extra $1000 minimum
obsidian wigeon
gpu with aio also exists if you really want one
sand falcon
Like it would theoretically be better to do separate loops, but it's crazy expensive and a pain in the bottom
And more points of failure
obsidian wigeon
separate loop needs way more maintenance too
trim acorn
thinking of possibly buying this for my build https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-4998-KT
mossy venture
For why
3090 ti is maybe 10% better in gaming than the 3080 12gb
An oced 3080 12gb would beat a stock 3090 ti
trim acorn
double vram for minecraft of course
sand falcon
It's still not enough
obsidian wigeon
ah yes that 3090ti kit
sand falcon
Minecraft is a game that scales almost infinitely
sand falcon
Yeah
trim acorn
i can't wait another 2 years for a 4090ti
sand falcon
And then watch as the resource packs are upgraded to bring the 40 series flagship to its knees
sand falcon
i can't wait another 2 years for a 4090ti
More like a few months. We're very close
trim acorn
3090ti was launched towards the end of the cycle. i'm assuming 4090ti will be the same case. can't wait too long.
sand falcon
4090 though
And then hope that the 4090ti is as small of an upgrade as the 3090ti was
Or that it comes out fast enough to do the EVGA upgrade program
cyan ravine
Even the 3090 Ti KP isn't worth it when the regular 3090 KP is in b stock on sale
trim acorn
3090ti from a 980ti is enough of a jump for me
cyan ravine
Let alone 3090 itself for games
sand falcon
3090 and 3090ti are very similar cards
cyan ravine
3090 KP and 3090 Ti KP should be very similar in normal use, both are binned, one just has 2% more cores
Not worth the what, 700usd more? Again, let alone 600 more for kp over 3080 12gb
sand falcon
@trim acorn don't forget a PSU upgrade for that jump
flint sapphire
Might as well just get my original meme build at this point
trim acorn
i typically let software auto tune clocks and performance giving temps
sand falcon
Okay, probably looking at a 850W PSU then
The FTW3 hybrid is on sale in bstock for 1300, add 120 or so on top for a PSU and you're good to go
About $1000 cheaper, almost identical performance if you aren't going to do crazy tuning
trim acorn
that is true but i want to water cool my card
trim acorn
yeah my bad hybrid
trim acorn
1 yr warranty vs 3
sand falcon
No biggie
cyan ravine
The kp is 1399 on b stock
sand falcon
If it's not doa and you treat it good the chances of it randomly dying are slim
cyan ravine
I would really not worry about 2 years of warranty for 800 more $$$
trim acorn
please explain what is b stock....i saw it also but i've been out of the tech loop for a minute
cyan ravine
Returned stock or stock that has known visual/aesthetic damage but still known to be in full working condition
sand falcon
Basically there was a little scratch on the finish, so they sell it discounted
flint sapphire
And the discount is usually incredible 👀
trim acorn
i'll be reaching out to ek and seeing what they suggest i purchase to cool the rig....maybe they'll suggest a certain card and then fit it with their hardware
cyan ravine
Or considering it's gaming, you could cross the floor to an $850 OCF 6900XT and be just as quick in games
sand falcon
i'll be reaching out to ek and seeing what they suggest i purchase to cool the r...
They have that all documented
Don't buy a hybrid GPU if you want to do a custom loop though
trim acorn
yeah i know
cyan ravine
Honestly the benefits of going full water imo isn't worth it over something like a hybrid kit or eiswolf on 30 series, speaking from experience
Even a good air cooler is still solid
The differences get really slim
trim acorn
air is out of the question for me. full closed loop would be my first time doing it on a build.
this is going to be my 2nd build btw
sand falcon
EVGA's hydro, gigabyte water force, or Asus ekwb would be more what you'd be looking for if you wanted a custom
Any reason why air is out of the question?
cyan ravine
Yes if you get one that comes with a waterblock it'll be significantly cheaper
sand falcon
Yes if you get one that comes with a waterblock it'll be significantly cheaper
Except for the Asus one
cyan ravine
That one loses an 8 pin doesn't it lol
trim acorn
Any reason why air is out of the question?
better performance....i air cooled the gpu in my current rig but now i want liquid
cyan ravine
Not really better
trim acorn
also this build I'm aiming for better aesthetics if possible
cyan ravine
Unless you have a horrible coldplate on the card air cooling is quite good on 30 series for the most part
You could even end up with a card silicon limited so it does nothing putting it under water
trim acorn
water cooled room will get less warm from less hot air. at least that's my idea
flint sapphire
Might as well pay the taichi tax at that point and have a cool moving cog
cyan ravine
May as well take the strix tax and get better vrms
trim acorn
Might as well pay the taichi tax at that point and have a cool moving cog <:pepe...
what is a moving cog?
sand falcon
water cooled room will get less warm from less hot air. at least that's my idea
You want a cooler room, buy a 3060
dark nova
If I upgrade my gpu do I need to change out any wiring? I have a gtx 1660 and I’m thinking about going up to a rtx 3070ti
My motherboard is a asus z490-e gaming motherboard
I7 10700k cpu
And Corsair rm850x 80+ gold psu
sand falcon
If I upgrade my gpu do I need to change out any wiring? I have a gtx 1660 and I’...
That'll be fine
flint sapphire
cyan ravine
I had to read that twice darvan
flint sapphire
https://tenor.com/view/loading-cog-gif-19206460
That’s a moving cog btw @trim acorn
trim acorn
yeah i don't get it
flint sapphire
Don’t mind me I’m just projecting a bit. I just want a stupid novelty board cuz reasons…
sand falcon
Hotter room in fact
Hotter room because the water locked cards are setup to draw more power, and because of that dump more heat in the air @trim acorn
dark nova
Also is a 3070ti decent 4k graphics wise? Googling says it’s good but I wasn’t sure if anyone here had other opinions
mossy venture
3090ti from a 980ti is enough of a jump for me
I dontnget what you're missing
3080 12gb games within 10% of the 3090 ti
And is a third of the price
mossy venture
Also is a 3070ti decent 4k graphics wise? Googling says it’s good but I wasn’t s...
4k gaming is a meme
I'd stick to 1440p
cyan ravine
OCF is a third and games even closer
dark nova
4k gaming is a meme
Listen I just want my forza horizon 5 gaming to actually look decent
sand falcon
Also is a 3070ti decent 4k graphics wise? Googling says it’s good but I wasn’t s...
It'll work but it's not great, you'll probably have to lower some settings. If you want pretty go for 1080 or 1440 and max settings
mossy venture
Listen I just want my forza horizon 5 gaming to actually look decent
Then get 1440p
sand falcon
It'll look better at a lower res and higher settings
obsidian wigeon
1440p looks plenty good
mossy venture
4k gaming os a meme, meaning that it's not exactly achievable atm. In some games, even the 3090 struggles to hit 60fps at ultra settings 4k
dark nova
I get this photogenic mood in the game and then my photos look poopy compared to others who can have the graphics hella boosted up 😅
cyan ravine
1440p on FH5 ultra will push that 3070 Ti well enough and look really nice
obsidian wigeon
4k doesn't mean better graphics lmao
mossy venture
4k is the opposite of boosted graphics
obsidian wigeon
it's just extra res for the screenshots
1440p will let you max out and have more perf
mossy venture
On most games, you'll have to turn the graphics down for 4k
obsidian wigeon
then that'll look amazing
mossy venture
To hit 60fps
cyan ravine
I get this photogenic mood in the game and then my photos look poopy compared to...
I actually used to do those FH comps, what you want are better reflections and details not better resolution
dark nova
Right
flint sapphire
1440p is plenty can confirm
mossy venture
Considering you were willing to spend the money on a 4k monitor
You could go for a 3080 12gb and g27q
sand falcon
Quality settings are king, res is pretty much just how big of a screen you can get and still look decent
dark nova
You could go for a 3080 12gb and g27q
That depends on how long the gpu is 🥴
cyan ravine
4K on medium to low 100% looks worse than 1440p on high-ultra
mossy venture
What case do you have?
cyan ravine
And also, those guys taking the pics, a lot of them use a series x btw
dark nova
Corsair Icue 220t airflow
sand falcon
Nice case
dark nova
I love it
mossy venture
Supports 300mm gpu, right?
dark nova
Just sucks fitment wise haha
dark nova
Supports 300mm gpu, right?
Yeah
mossy venture
Kk, one min
dark nova
Also I will add I have a aio attached to the front
sand falcon
What model?
mossy venture
I'd go for a 3070 then
sand falcon
So no 3080
Bet
dark nova
I forget if that 300mm clearance includes an aio attached or not
mossy venture
3070 ti isn't worth it over the 3070, unless they're the same price
It's just a hotter, higher power usage 3070 for maybe 3% perf gain
dark nova
Cause some people have said there’s more clearance than just 300mm
sand falcon
Is it one of the Corsair aios?
sand falcon
What size fans and how many
dark nova
H115i rgb pro 280mm
cyan ravine
If you had a top rad and slim fans, yes there's a bit more clearance
dark nova
Pretty decent aio for the price. I haven’t had temp issues at all. Only one issue is the rgb lighting acts all whack on boot up so I usually have to restart my computer for them to cooperate on the aio
sand falcon
It'll support that 280 as a top rad
So good to go on the full 300mm clearance with the GPU after some tweaking
dark nova
Is top mounted usually not recommended? I don’t remember
sand falcon
I think it's technically "best"
dark nova
Or maybe I’m thinking front mount with the tubes plug-ins at the bottom of the aio lol
cyan ravine
It'll support that 280 as a top rad
My 220t doesn't lol
dark nova
Maybe if I ever want to get that little more clearance for a bigger gpu. But In all honesty. A 3070ti I think is what I’m gonna shoot for
Are founders edition gpus a no no?
sand falcon
How much are you paying for it
dark nova
I think the 3070ti founders edition is at like 740 right now?
But I probably wasn’t gonna buy one for a few more weeks
sand falcon
EVGA has 3080s for that price
Minus a bit if you Google an associate code to use
I think that takes another 5% off
dark nova
I don’t think I have the space for a triple fan
dark nova
That link took me to like 8 different 3080s so I’m struggling to figure out which gpu you’re talking about haha
sand falcon
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/J2BZxr
Here we go
sand falcon
That link took me to like 8 different 3080s so I’m struggling to figure out whic...
The cheapest one, xc3
sand falcon
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/J2BZxr
Here we go
240mm top rad, but besides that should be same dimensions wise
cyan ravine
yeah I could only fit 240 on top
sand falcon
flint sapphire
Case seriously reminds me of a meshify c 👀
mossy venture
Maybe if I ever want to get that little more clearance for a bigger gpu. But In ...
3070 ti isn't worth it over 3070
Also 3070s new are $600
Some are anyways
dark nova
damn that xc3 is short
For a triple fan it kinda is yeah lol
dark nova
Would it be worth just seeing if it’ll fit without moving my aio to the top?
cyan ravine
yes
dark nova
Let me find the length of my gpu I have
cyan ravine
just measure from the pcie slots to the aio with a ruler
dark nova
Also I’m mad they have all that and didn’t go with rgb ram
So I think my gpu is 229 inches?
dark nova
I really don’t know I’m laying in bed and am not getting up rn
sand falcon
No worries
dark nova
I was gonna put a pic in the build chat and could probably mentally measure
But it won’t let me put in a picture
sand falcon
You should be able to put it in #build-pics
dark nova
It won’t let me unfortunately
sand falcon
Odd