building-and-recc-chat

[viral ore]

its all the same nand

just different controllers

[potent portal]

And most sata drives, if you open them, are actually adapted M.2 drives lol

[wheat coral]

MHM

oops caps

mhm

[winter marsh]

True but ssd' don't last as long as regular hd's, so I installed a 8tb as my storage drive for files not in use and to restore anything lost when the ssd fails

[wheat coral]

ssds can last as long or longer than hdds

say you write 15tb a year on your ssd

your ssd has 150 tbw

10 years

[potent portal]

If you're talking about shelf life then SSDs actually last a lot longer

[wheat coral]

10 years on a very low end ssd

150tbw is nothing

[fossil cedar]

Ssds are far more likely to outlive a hard drive thanks to no moving parts

[winter marsh]

I use ssd over M.2 because of the price to performance ratio's

[wheat coral]

theyre the same price

or very close to

[fossil cedar]

Nvme drives are often cheaper and better

[wheat coral]

by a long shot

even the crappiest drive we recommend here is what 4x faster than sata

(mp33)

i havent quite had this drive for 1 year yet but 18tbw and still 99% health

[potent portal]

"Crappiest" being just a low budget but still high performing drive

[viral ore]

i too use my ssds over M.2

[wheat coral]

i'd need to write 50tb a year for this drive to die in 10 years

[viral ore]

ssd over M.2 is the best

ssd over sata is gross

[fossil cedar]

@winter marsh 500gb ssds sorted low to high all the sata ones are bad lol, the cheapest vvme's are good

[potent portal]

Mine has 11 TBW and still says 100%

[wheat coral]

i write to my ssd a lot more than the averafge person

i stil will get 15 years of lifespan out of this drive without upgrading

[potent portal]

Then I have a cheapo old drive that has 24 TBW and 88%

[fossil cedar]

My 240gb drive that's 7? Years old is still at 99 or 100%

[wheat coral]

at least 15 years

27tbw, 5 year old drive, 94% health

a year old, 99% health

if anything my screenshots show that sata drives are less durable than nvme drives LOL

[winter marsh]

Looks like a $80 to a $100 price increase to me on Newegg

[wheat coral]

for what size

[viral ore]

1tb prolly

[potent portal]

Same lmao

[viral ore]

the question is which drives

which drive for 80? which drive for 100?

[wheat coral]

price difference, not just flat out pricing

[fossil cedar]

2tb 980 pro vs kingston a400

[winter marsh]

2 tb, my pc doubles as my media streamer

[viral ore]

2tb ssds arent $100

nowhere close

[wheat coral]

sassy

price difference

not set price

[viral ore]

oh

aha

[wheat coral]

thats sorted lowest to highest

LOL

wait oopsie

not its not

[fossil cedar]

@winter marsh

[winter marsh]

no they are $180 for a ssd vs $290 for a M.2

[fossil cedar]

Uhh

Lol

[wheat coral]

more like a

10$ difference

[potent portal]

Umm, no?

[wheat coral]

p2, mp33 all good storage drives

[viral ore]

what do you mean by ssd

[wheat coral]

10$ more than a sata drive, and theyll last a ton longer

[viral ore]

an M.2 ssd is an ssd

[potent portal]

Not P2, P1 is good

[fossil cedar]

Sata 2.5"

[viral ore]

i want him to answer that

[wheat coral]

mp33 pro is also 10$ more

mp34 20$ more

and these sata drives are flat out garbage for that price

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=2tb+ssd&N=600038463 601193224 100011693 601356767&Order=1

look yourself

[winter marsh]

Maybe I'm going off of local retail but it's never been pretty

[potent portal]

MP33 2TB is $160 right now https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101

[viral ore]

yeah i dunno where you are getting your numbers from, but SATA and M.2 ssds have been nearly the same prices for YEARS

[winter marsh]

I buy the kids cheaper Team Group ssd at 1tb each

[fossil cedar]

^ bad(sata), good, good good (nvmes) in order of ssds and sorted low to high

[ornate condor]

teamgroup have good ssd + ram bundles at amazon

[potent portal]

Team is hit or miss, they have good and bad drives

[ornate condor]

z440 and A440 is good

[fossil cedar]

Their sata drives are meh bit I don't think there's a bad nvme team ssd

[winter marsh]

Eww I hate Amazon, because as a customer and a driver they are bad

[fossil cedar]

Okay and?

[winter marsh]

I've seen how merchandise is actually handled lol

[potent portal]

Ok, well it's on newegg too

[fossil cedar]

Newegg, adorama, b&h probably

Best buy sometimes

[viral ore]

yeah amazon sucks

[ornate condor]

I think combo team deals is only on amazon

[potent portal]

And I'm a former Amazon employee too, yes the practices suck but I like saving money

[winter marsh]

I'll go M.2 on my Ryzen 7000 X670 build

[fossil cedar]

Do i like Amazon? No, am i gonna gonna spend 10$ more to buy it somewhere else lol no

[winter marsh]

I'm not touching 670E but sticking with the Tuf series

[fossil cedar]

Wait til boards and prices are out

[potent portal]

Not many people will actually need 670E anyway

[viral ore]

nobody really needs what b650 offers either, but theres really no other lower options as far as we know so far

[potent portal]

I beg to differ, USB 4.0 is fantastic

[viral ore]

for?

[fossil cedar]

But i need the Micro Star International Micro Star International extreme gaming Ace x670 extreme

[potent portal]

Thunderbolt 4 is included in the spec

[viral ore]

ohhhhh

[winter marsh]

@fossil cedarAmazon has declined more payments and locked my account over make believe security issues than I can count on both hands, I got to the point I demanded my account closed

[viral ore]

was not aware

[fossil cedar]

Okay then don't buy from them

[winter marsh]

I don't buy or work for them anymore, I get to avoid thier constant COVID contaminations too

Pull a semi trailer to em to find out they've evacuated everything lol

[fossil cedar]

@viral ore why you need x670e, yes that's a real motherboard

Not crummy usb 4 pfft

[winter marsh]

I trust Asus to get it right

[viral ore]

i trust gamers nexus to tell me who did it right

[fossil cedar]

Asus aren't perfect

[potent portal]

You're allowed to have your preferences and brand loyalty, no one will contradict that

They might express their own opinions in response though

[winter marsh]

No but thier product support has never failed me in over a decade

[fossil cedar]

Z690 asus tuf was pretty disappointing imo

And their z690 was it crosshair/hero can't remember had a backwards capacitor 💀

[winter marsh]

I got two Z97 mobo's here still up and running

I pawn em off on the kids and they are both Asus Sabertooth models

[fossil cedar]

Pc parts bar hard drives will usually last pretty long, I've got a 2nd gen intel laptop that still works

[winter marsh]

I've seem more VGA failures than hard drives

[fossil cedar]

Do you mean graphics cards?

Or the actual vga port lol

Cuz wouldn't be surprised vga bad port

[winter marsh]

I bricked a GT 7400 back in the day with a bad firmware update

[fossil cedar]

Well that's not it failing lol

[winter marsh]

Yeah but I've lost two GT 6800's, one of three GT 550, and slew of older AGP cards

[wheat coral]

AGP cards are notorious for dying

[fossil cedar]

Yup they're also so old idk what they stand for

[wheat coral]

accellerated graphics port

[fossil cedar]

Oh yeah

[potent portal]

I have had several hard drives fail over the years, usually it's mechanical failure like the motor or a stuck read arm but some of the older ones are demagnetized so they're basically read only and will eventually be unreadable.

[wheat coral]

or as i like to call it

actually crappy port

even pci cRds at the time just had an agp beidge chip so they suffered the same fate as agp

[bitter mason]

MP33 pro tho

[winter marsh]

and I forgot I've had more than a few bad sticks of DDR3 and a recent DDR4 Team Group stick go bad, but my old Corsair DDR2 ram runs just fine

[potent portal]

Team DDR4 is usually just bad in general

And Corsair was good in DDR2/DDR3 days, but DDR4 they're a bit behind. Some of their kits can't even hit their XMP rating.

[fossil cedar]

Ehhhh

Team has some good priced 3200c16 and b die

[potent portal]

And I've seen some of those 3200 Teams not able to get even that without overclocking/overvolting the IMC

[winter marsh]

I found most of it in Newegg archives

[potent portal]

400 CL2? Very nice set

[winter marsh]

This was the brick victim, I was gaming and the screen went plaid so I tried to fix it.

[desert gulch]

I got a good priced kit of Corsair bdie

And it's horrible

Wrong reply rip

Meant to reply to potato

[potent portal]

Yeah Corsair uses low quality PCB even with b-die

[desert gulch]

Yeah bdie can be good, but bdie in general can be just meh

The cjr in the PC rn is better than the bdie kit I have. Just think of that for a second

[potent portal]

I sort of want to put my old spare c-die kit back in my pc with my b-die so I have 32gb, and FS 2020 will stop crashing 🙃

[wheat coral]

worth

be a floppa and run mixed kits at 3200 cause you hate yourself

[fossil cedar]

Mm yes b die at 3600cl18 🙃

[potent portal]

My c-die is 3200c16, and I'n not sure how well my IMC and board will do with 4 sticks so I might end up stuck there

[wheat coral]

ehh if you have a modernish cpu you should be okay

afterall im running rev.e with bdie

hell, my bdie is 2133 rated running 3200 just fine

[potent portal]

It's a 5800X but I'm also on X470

[wheat coral]

i think youd be okay

[potent portal]

One way to find out I guess

[wheat coral]

send it time

[potent portal]

Time to backup bios settings and test it

[wheat coral]

mhm

[south cliff]

can someone help me reinstall windows 11?

its been really buggy lately

[potent portal]

Just do a PC reset from settings

EZ

[south cliff]

should i?

[potent portal]

Sure. It basically deletes and reinstalls the Windows folder if you do the "keep my files" option.

So you'll need to reinstall all your programs and redo settings etc

[south cliff]

ok did it

should i do local reinstall or cloud

reinstall

[potent portal]

Do you have a USB with the installer on it?

[south cliff]

no

[potent portal]

Cloud then

[south cliff]

so it will reinstall windows by itself?

[potent portal]

Yes, it'll download the files it needs, backup the old windows folder, and install a new copy

The old stuff will still be in windows.old for a little while

[south cliff]

so i can reset it now?

just making sure

i dont wanna break anything

[potent portal]

Yeah, it doesn't really hurt anything. You'll just need to reinstall programs because the registry gets reset.

[south cliff]

ok

its getting reset

[ripe spear]

Just picture a phone getting factory reset which that is all you're doing with your PC

[potent portal]

Almost like that. Phone factory resets also delete user data, PC reset doesn't have to but it can.

[south cliff]

umm something happened

it went to the blue screen and asked if i wanted to continue or trouble shoot ect

and i stll got everything

Should i do it again

[glad moat]

Need advice, my old pc got fried, im getting a new one and debating between a 3070 and 3080... 3080 is around 500$ more, is it worth it?

[mossy venture]

whats your budget for the whole build

also no it isnt

[glad moat]

3-3.5k

[mossy venture]

alr one sec

[mossy venture]

cad or usd?

[glad moat]

cad

[mossy venture]

kk

[mossy venture]

are you fine with an amd gpu?

[glad moat]

sure, im open to anything

[mossy venture]

is 3-3.5k just tower, or including monitors and such?

[glad moat]

i already have a monitor and accessories, just tower

[mossy venture]

@earnest olive any reccs on tower to fit a 420mm aio other than 7000d airflow?

would p500a be fine?

i cant be 100% sure on all of this, but so far ive got this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tVtg3y

ram and case mainly

[glad moat]

would it be stupid to up the ram to 64 gb?

[mossy venture]

depends, are you gaming?

[glad moat]

yes

[mossy venture]

32gb is good then, you can always upgrade it later

but as of rn you wont use more than 32gb unless you plan to run 3 heavy games at once

[glad moat]

alright

[south cliff]

bro for somereason my chrome crashes and says STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION

[mossy venture]

weird

actually im unsure on ssd as well

[glad moat]

alright

[mossy venture]

im unfamiliar with cad market

[glad moat]

no worries

[winter marsh]

back and bored waiting on cup coffee

[potent portal]

That's often ads that are poorly written or malicious requesting memory space they aren't allowed to have. Sometimes it's addons as well.

[potent portal]

So much for this idea. I can't even seem to get 3200 c16 stable. Even 3200 auto timings isn't stable.

[ornate condor]

Imagine not having 6000mhz rams

[mossy venture]

imagine overpaying for 6000mhz rams

[ornate condor]

Ehm I paid 275$ for RGB 32gb kit

[untold beacon]

thats a lot of money on ram

i only spent 100 bucks

[desert gulch]

And then getting Corsair and it running at the 3200 ddr4 xmp profile

[warped shale]

hello!

i need a little help with selecting a side monitor that's 200 dollars or less. it's gonna be used for chrome, spotify, discord, other small things. doesnt have to be good all i want is like 1080p?

[autumn wolf]

do you plan on having it horizontal or vertical?

could go for something used or refurbished, terms of what specs, go with a va or ips panel if you can, a tn panel is fine as well depending on the angle you have it at

if you dont want to go about trying to find something online or local for used/refurbished, then something like this can work

https://www.amazon.com/LG-24MP400-B-Virtually-Borderless-FreeSync/dp/B097NWD3TL/

probably some cheaper stuff out there

https://www.amazon.com/LG-27MP450-B-Virtually-Borderless-FreeSync/dp/B09M5S1YW6/

27" version pretty much

[winter marsh]

nice price

[little osprey]

Anyone know how to overclock RAM other than using XMP 2? Like timings etc.? I have it at stock but am wondering if I should change the timings etc.

[warped shale]

hortizontal

[warped shale]

Thank you!

[frigid night]

Thats a good question to post in #overclocking

[little osprey]

Thanks!

[deft solar]

Imagine paying 1M for Electrinics

[warped shale]

MSI Optix G273QPF 27" - is this a good main monitor?

[autumn wolf]

ye but you could also go for the g27q from gigabyte

bit cheaper i believe and might be a bit better screen

144hz i think though vs 160hz

$250 on newegg for the g27q but says sale ends in 23hrs, dont know if thats true or not and if theyll just immediately put it back up for sale

[torn peak]

#build-pics message
Ignore the TV show in the background

[strong raft]

Yea it's semi-often that price. 🤘

[warped shale]

is it a big difference? i have a rtx3070ti

😅 its my first time buying & building a pc im not very informed

[autumn wolf]

depends on the person really for fps/refresh

but both are good

[warped shale]

ive been aiming for 165 but if it's not that big a difference i might change my mind

[frigid night]

I love my g27q so much I bought another 1.

[warped shale]

money's tight pain

[frigid night]

For its current price.. its a steal.

It was a steal when I bought it on sale for 260 a few months ago.. the fact you can get it for 235 now is amazing.

[analog hearth]

it's not a big difference

people have high standards. because of that, they'll upgrade from 144Hz 1080p to 160Hz 1080p because "more is better"

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/QZdScv4zxXM?t=308 said amd ONLY supporting ddr5

[fossil cedar]

Yeah am5 being only ddr has been news since like November

[analog pulsar]

last november

[fossil cedar]

Ye lol

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar well rawr said to wait to build pc but everyone says dont buy DDR5 so like what you do?

i mean am5 could be good in performance boost but DDR5

[fossil cedar]

They're saying don't buy ddr5 now

When am5 comes out prices may have dropped more

[analog pulsar]

hm okay

[obsidian wigeon]

dual chipset tho

[desert gulch]

And 5n

[obsidian wigeon]

i think x670e is gonna cause a ton of confusion for people

the name

[analog pulsar]

hm

[analog pulsar]

i saw that but GN said the shipset is near each other so they are gunna be under same cooler but theres is 2

[obsidian wigeon]

i know ya

it's gonna be one big heatsink

[frank stirrup]

I didnt say wait and buy am5 i said wait and see what happens... prices for 5000 series will drop anyway even if am5 chips are ehhhh because ddr5

[humble fossil]

hi

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rQVw3y

Sometimes some pieces are cheaper

[obsidian wigeon]

The build is meh

The cooler is trash lol

You can go for 5700X and save money, and that platinum psu is unneeded

[mossy venture]

$200 850...

gross

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[humble fossil]

i will change the cooler

[mossy venture]

actually

most of the list doesnt make sense

12700f same price and better perf

[humble fossil]

sometimes be 200$

[obsidian wigeon]

But yeah

12700f is better choice actually for new build

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JJ8rGL what you can do for the same price

[humble fossil]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bV78Zw

[obsidian wigeon]

oh

you already bought some parts

[fossil cedar]

Motherboard,case and power supply prices are gross can you return?

[flint sapphire]

Rip that case

[fossil cedar]

I stg I've made them lists before

Oh i looked at my history, they're in saudi, but still gross prices

[green egret]

can someone help me w/ an msi motherboard i made

i have the b660m mortar motherboard and 2 nvme m.2 which one goes in what slot on the motherboard? there's a faster m.2 slot that connects directly to the chipset right? or is that the slower one?

[stoic island]

Both NVMe slots are of the same spec, the only difference is the top slot is (only theoretically) a couple of nanoseconds closer to the CPU, and defaults to show up earlier in boot order

Basically, no difference, technically, miniscule difference

[green egret]

oh. so i should install windows to the top slot

ok

ty

i never installed windows to an nvme before

[stoic island]

You could put windows on the drive on the bottom slot, just have to move the drive to the front of the boot order in bios, you're welcome

[green egret]

haha

got ya

[stoic island]

Same process as usual, shouldn't be hard

[green egret]

ok

so is this order ok.. i know what im doing but im tired havent eaten lunch and 2nd guessing myself... 1. cpu + cooler 2. ram 3. nvme 4. gpu 5. psu 6. test it not in case first and can install windows 7. test in case and connect all case wires 8. install drivers

[mossy venture]

Just to make sure, you used thermal paste, right

[green egret]

hah

my fan comes w/ thermal paste on it

[stoic island]

Could put in ram and nvme drives before cooler for tower, the tower can get in the way

[green egret]

i haven't begun but im assuming it does..its a stock fan

[mossy venture]

Ah ok

[green egret]

hahah

[stoic island]

but yea

[green egret]

im just worried abt hooking up the case fans

[stoic island]

That's the simple part

[green egret]

last time i hooked it up to a gigabyte mobo and it fried the motherboard and blue the rgb on the fans

lol

[stoic island]

rip

[green egret]

i connected the argb to the motherboard and it just needed the rgb

but the manual for msi says to use the argb

[stoic island]

After testing out of case, I'd recommend taking GPU out, putting into case, and then installing GPU again

[green egret]

so im freakin out a little bit

o k yeah

idk im making it a big deal

[stoic island]

I mean, go off what the document for the fans say, if fans are rgb, use rgb, if they're argb, use argb

[green egret]

yea says argb

i asked them in coolermaster discord to be sure

ok im gona build it now

oh btw i have windows 10 on my external SSD

do i need to format it before i install windows 11?

if so how i completely forgot this part

as FAT32 right?

[potent portal]

If you're clean installing 11 then just delete all the partitions and tell the installer to use the empty space. It'll create all the things it needs.

[green egret]

ok i formated it..

is windows 11 free? like windows 10 had a free version

im installing onto a ssd for a brand new build

[potent portal]

Yeah you don't need to have a license. You just can't use the customization menu

[green egret]

ok

so do i want the .iso file or the middle option? https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

the middle right?

[potent portal]

If you're making a USB you want the "create installation media" option

[green egret]

okk

ty man

[green egret]

and i just put that .exe onto my usb and thats it? or do i need to open it up first

[potent portal]

You'll run it, and it'll download the iso file and install that to your usb

[green egret]

it's an exe

oh ok

[supple geode]

Anyone have a good you suggestion for a gpu on an amd 5600x on a gigabyte aurous b550 board?

Does smart access memory actually make a difference over an nvidia card

[frank stirrup]

i dont get the question?

[green egret]

Ok it seems like my motherboard is missing a backplate

[potent portal]

SAM is just AMD's term for Resizeable BAR, nvidia has it too

[green egret]

Are they supposed to provide one or do I need to order it separately

[potent portal]

Whatever GPU fits in your budget. You could use a 3090 ti with a 5600X perfectly fine.

[frank stirrup]

Also sam works only amd cpu and gpu and is actually good, rebar sucks with nvidia cards tbh

[supple geode]

I’ve been looking at a gigabyte aorus radeon 6800xt

[mossy venture]

whats the price on it?

[supple geode]

899

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/336qqs/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-pulse-video-card-11304-03-20g not worth

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CLWBD3/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6900xt-pgd-16go or

[supple geode]

I’m also considering a gigabyte aorus 6750xt for 595

Ooo let me look at those links real quick

[mossy venture]

or on the nvidia end https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VpJgXL/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-n3080gaming-oc-12gd

[supple geode]

So is there no added benefit from matching an Aorus mobo with an Aorus gpu other than aesthetic?

[mossy venture]

no

have you bought anything yet?

[supple geode]

Everything expect the gpu

[mossy venture]

ah

what psu?

[supple geode]

I was going to use my older gpu for the time being . I have two Xfx Radeon 7850 lol

I bought a Corsair 750

[mossy venture]

rmx?

[supple geode]

Rm750

[mossy venture]

ok good

[supple geode]

Can’t have it blowing up while my wife is using it lol

Thanks for the help! @mossy venture @potent portal

[winter marsh]

No comment

[mossy venture]

yes comment

[crude onyx]

this is sad, I bought my first ssd and the package was opened and cut by the distributor

[potent portal]

You can check if it was tampered with or swapped with a used drive with something like crystal disk info

If it has a bunch of GB written to it already they might have swapped it for a used one

[desert gulch]

Always a chance SMART data was wiped tho

Unlikely but possible tbh

[potent portal]

A chance sure but a LOT of work for a simple scam

[desert gulch]

Sure

Probs worth if used for chia mining

[green egret]

Should I install windows 11 home or pro

I am not using a key btw

I’m just using free version

[potent portal]

Most people don't need the pro features

[void summit]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Py3yFg

Can anyone let me know if all these parts will fit? I believe they will but I’m not 100% certain

[green egret]

Ok I just installed windows I think??? But now it’s taking me through the install process again……

[potent portal]

Did you remove the USB when it restarted after installing?

[green egret]

No I went to the bathroom

I installed it on drive 0 which is my nvme

[potent portal]

Ah, restart it and remove that usb

[green egret]

How do I restart it if it’s not in my case

[potent portal]

Close the installer window

Or just hold the power button

[green egret]

I don’t have the power button I have scissors and the pins on my mobo

[potent portal]

You could jump the reset pins then instead of the power pins

Or just close the installer and it'll ask to reboot

[green egret]

I closed it and it automatically rebooted

I removed the usb

It’s stuck now

Should I have not removed the usb

[potent portal]

No it definitely needed to be removed

[green egret]

Ok so I’ll try restarting it with the scissors

[potent portal]

Restart it again, yeah

[green egret]

If not can I just turn off my psu

[potent portal]

That would work

[green egret]

Yeah it worked

It’s getting ready

[potent portal]

They'll fit but you'd need an adapter for the USB C port on the front

[void summit]

Where can I find one of those?

[green egret]

It’s trying to make me connect to the internet

Says I can’t install unless I’m connected?

[potent portal]

Should be able to skip that

[green egret]

I can’t lol

[potent portal]

https://www.amazon.com/PingPing-Adapter-Vertical-Socket-Header/dp/B094R7PDM1/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=B094R7PDM1&psc=1

[potent portal]

Weird, that doesn't look like the Windows setup

[green egret]

What the hell

Is this a virus

[potent portal]

idk I haven't done too many 11 installs, it could be correct

It's entirely possible they changed the interface since I installed

[green egret]

Yeah i checked the link it’s fine

[void summit]

Would I need the Adapted because of the case? Also would my parts fit in a mid tower build or would I need a full tower?

[green egret]

But what the hell im no where near my Ethernet

[potent portal]

It's not picking up your wireless, probably needs drivers.
At least by this point you know it works.

[green egret]

I can bring up cmd by prsssing shift+f10 is there a way around this

[potent portal]

A mid tower is totally fine. Your motherboard doesn't have the proper header for a USB C port, so any case that has one you'll need an adapter to use that port.

[green egret]

Or is there a way to shut down the comp properly in cmd instead of just turning offf my psu

[potent portal]

shutdown /s /t 0

[void summit]

What are usb c ports used for?

[green egret]

Cool Man U r the best

[potent portal]

Most often VR headsets but you can also connect smart phones that have the double ended C type cable, wifi adapters, etc

[void summit]

Gotcha. Thank you for all your help!!

[green egret]

One more thing before I go is this a sticker for my nvme? Or will it get in the way of the heat sink or make it better

[potent portal]

Looks like an optional heat spreading sticker. If you have a heatsink on the board no need for it.

Honestly you probably don't need it anyway unless you have a high performance gen 4 drive.

[green egret]

I’ll just put it on

Yes. I have heat sink though

I think I have a high performance gen 4 but idk

[untold beacon]

yeah it didnt affect my pc at all when i left mine on there

[green egret]

I have an msi b660m mortar wifi ddr4

[potent portal]

Even with a gen 4 drive like that it'll only ever get hot enough to need it when you're doing large write operations of 100gb+

[green egret]

Would it hurt to use it

[potent portal]

But it's still nice to have so you don't need to worry. Better overkill than underkill.

[green egret]

Cause it looks pretty cool

For sure

Just to make sure it goes on that way yah?

[potent portal]

Yeah that's the side with the controller, the only part that cares about getting hot

[green egret]

Cool

[potent portal]

It's the chip that says "phison" on it if you're curious

[green egret]

Seems weird that you’d put glue/sticker on it since it’s getting hot

[potent portal]

The glue is designed for high heat and the sticker has metal in it to spread the heat over more area

[untold beacon]

i mean iwevajOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkfzlgemb

dang it

my keyboard i swear

im a strangle it one day

one day

[ornate condor]

I always worrying about that sticker on ssd lol

I put my S70 blade with its heatsink under mobo heatsink lmao

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/its-fine-its-fine-its-fine-shea-whitney-its-okay-dont-worry-about-it-dont-stress-about-it-gif-18477842

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar
The whole reason why I wanted to get vms in first place is so they could run games via high settings and have a good time my whole thought process was not a good enough gpu can't fit in these cases like via the PCIE slot so I was gunna parsec the pcs into vms and stuff and run games that way but now I may not need to do that if pcie risers do exist I can just plugged into pc and boom pc has a gpu to run only bad side is case will look a bit ugly but that doesn't matter

So we might not need to build such a high end pc anymore

Bc me being a dumb forgot pcie RISERS EXISTED

[potent portal]

Holy run on sentence Batman

[analog pulsar]

Ofc the pc won't be best of best but it's something to get then started

[analog pulsar]

Idk how to add . So just take one big breath in and read

I hate myself rn

[fossil cedar]

They'll fit even without riser lol

[analog pulsar]

Not in the other pc

Well I wanted to make the pcs fair so I was gunna get 2 6600xt and stick them into pc

[untold beacon]

my brain studiered so much when i tried to read that in one breath

[analog pulsar]

But pcs arnt same

One pc I'd i3 3220 and other is i7 3770k

I feel like i3 computer is fine for running like fornite which is what they want and I was gunna do i7 pc to run gta 5 with mods

[untold beacon]

yea i got a i9 11900k to most of all my games

[fossil cedar]

Wdym? The case you had was plenty of room

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar not i3 case

I7 does

[untold beacon]

probably gonna get a upgrade soon though

[analog pulsar]

Rn I have to pc builds for the brothers both very old computers

[untold beacon]

yep thats the fun in it

[fossil cedar]

Oh right well might want more cpu compute + gen 4 anyway

[analog pulsar]

Well trying to make the i3 computer at least usable

@fossil cedar but if we go with pcie risers route I could build a computer for cheaper

Will i5 12th gen bottle neck 3080 or will they run good together

[fossil cedar]

No i3 is gonna be useable for vms

[fossil cedar]

Good

[analog pulsar]

One moment

@fossil cedar I'm sending video bc texting my brain is blocking up but I hope you can listen to video

[fossil cedar]

Ahhhh

Gotcha

[analog pulsar]

Tbh yea the i7 wouldn't need a riser has its fits a 3080 but the i3 computer might need one

@fossil cedar but with that out of the way we have 3 options I can do the vm route or I could buy riser for the pc plus 2 6600xt or I can do one pc with 6600xt and another with 6400xt

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6400-rx-64xl4sfg2/p/N82E16814150868?Description=6400&cm_re=6400-_-14-150-868-_-Product&quicklink=true they do make this

[fossil cedar]

Oof 6400 would be a no go

[obsidian wolf]

Best case for airflow and cooling?

[analog pulsar]

why

[fossil cedar]

Because it needs pcie 4.0 to run good

[analog pulsar]

i mean im running 3080 on pcie 3.0 rn

[potent portal]

I was about to say... Untitled Goose Game?!?!

[fossil cedar]

There's no real best case but corsair 4000d/5000d airflow versions, phanteks p360a/p400a/p500a, fractal meshify 2/torrent are all good picks

[fossil cedar]

3080 doesn't need 4.0 tho, it's pcie gen 4x16 lanes which means it can run in 3x16 mode so that's fine but 6500xt and lower are gen 4 x 4 lanes

[analog pulsar]

what about 6600xt then

[fossil cedar]

Which means 6500xt and lower will run it pcie gen 3x4 which is 1/4

6600xt isn't as bad

It's 4x8 lanes

So 3x8 is okay

[analog pulsar]

what gpu would i need to get to run 16

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably opt for rx 6600 non xt in that case especially for 300$

[fossil cedar]

6700xt and 3050 are the lowest for amd/nv respectively but rx 6600 would be fine

Still better than 3050

[analog pulsar]

ay 3050

[fossil cedar]

And cheaper

3050 meh it's like 50$ more than 6600

[analog pulsar]

i mean maybe if i can snag a 3050 off bstock for $250

[analog pulsar]

newegg has this rn

[analog pulsar]

yea amd is cheaper in most cases but running 3.0x16 would be better to try to get all performance out of the gpu

[obsidian wolf]

Thank you

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WvJMFg @fossil cedar okay since i dont need to run vms anymore we can go with lower specs what you think i5 or i7 but ram 16GB or 32GB also case can be changed also i would like an AIO on my cpu yes price will go up but i like the looks of aios on cpus

but i would like to go intel if i dont neeed to run vms as they have 5.0 pcie unlocked

what about video editing

@fossil cedar theres no window how am i suppose to see the RGB

[potent portal]

There's tempered glass models

[analog pulsar]

oh

isnt this bad to do have more out take then intake

brb im gunna go look at some cases

[potent portal]

Sometimes. Run the front fans faster to compensate.

[frigid night]

I took my side panel off 2 days ago to hit that cmos jumper... I've just neglected to put it back on.

prolly should... but I literally don't see any difference in my temps

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/ffuAnwGivO8 I'm gunna watch this video and pick the case I like

[frigid night]

5000D airflow.

[potent portal]

Just remember they do recommend the torrent, but it's best for air cooling and custom liquid cooling. If using an AIO it's a pain because you have to move the 180s to the bottom.

[analog pulsar]

Well torrent is not much of an option anymore

Only reason I got it is bc I was getting a 420mm rad but I don't need to get that rad anymore

[fossil cedar]

300 on Amazon and b&h
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wdvdnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xl8lfdq

[fossil cedar]

6600 is better than a 3050 even on pcie 3x8

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[ornate condor]

[fossil cedar]

@analog pulsar how much rgb you want?

[analog pulsar]

Mostly I want most I can get

So like aio and ram and mobo

And other stuff

[fossil cedar]

You don't need to go aio with 12600k btw but you can

Also do you want wifi?

[analog pulsar]

yea I said "I would like an AIO on my cpu yes price will go up but i like the looks of aios on cpus"

but even thos what cpu do you think is best for value i7 or i5

[fossil cedar]

Right 1 sec

[analog pulsar]

i saw one time i7 was like $50 more then i5 once

[analog pulsar]

okay

[analog pulsar]

yea

ay lian li

[fossil cedar]

How big/small you want the case?

I wouldn't bother with the i7 personally

[analog pulsar]

Not to small or not to big ig

[fossil cedar]

So lian li 205 mesh look okay size to you?

Think it would be quite nice, fits the 3080, you can top mount a 280mm aio

Comes with rgb fans

[analog pulsar]

I like these cases and 5000D

[fossil cedar]

Okay, did you look at the lian li 205 mesh too?

I assume you want 3 fans on front then

[analog pulsar]

Well 2x200mm or 3x120/140 would work for me

[obsidian wolf]

Thank you

[fossil cedar]

Np

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably do this then
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cNrDwc

[analog pulsar]

the list looks nice but micro ATX i kinda dont like boards that small

[mossy venture]

That's a nice price on the d.f

[analog pulsar]

this mobo looks nice

ITS PERFRECT

Matches my role color

this looks nice

[fossil cedar]

Nothing wrong with it but here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WFQ6Bj

[fossil cedar]

That's also nice

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar anyway to get faster ram

@fossil cedar what your thoughts on 5000D airfloe

[fossil cedar]

4000mhz cl18 is plenty fast without going into bad pricing

[fossil cedar]

Good, i think it would look weird with a 280mm aio tho I'd rather go 4000d airflow so the 280mm doesn't look empty in the 360mm space on the 5000d personally

[analog pulsar]

Okay

@fossil cedar I'm not feeling well so I'm gunna go lay down and check in later

[frigid night]

are you dying?

https://tenor.com/view/detective-pikachu-anime-pikachu-ears-up-excited-gif-15119559

[frigid night]

Jk, I do like you I promise.

[analog pulsar]

[frigid night]

[wanton tundra]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQKXfv Any thoughts on what you would pay for this build second-hand?

[mossy venture]

i personally wouldnt even have built that, seeing as https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KNsh9r

but if youre selling id say maybe 2500 is the absolute most youll get for it

[mossy venture]

and thats only if a person who doesnt know pcs is buying it

[wanton tundra]

yeah I'm asking because it's on craigslist, I just know very little about what anything is worth

[mossy venture]

not worth it at all

[mossy venture]

can do this build, has essentially the same performance

maybe 3% worse gpu perf

nothing youll notice

[wanton tundra]

Any advice for someone looking to build/buy a modern build? I don't have a particular budget in mind. My current build is https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YvDgKB but is all ebay parts over several years and is starting to have issues, so I kind of want a new clean build that can last long term.

Or maybe a better question, is there a good website I can use to benchmark a builds performance? Or should i just look at the individual rating of the CPU, GPU

[mossy venture]

im unsure on how good the aio is, im always weary with corsair products

the ssd might also be usable as a secondary drive

[autumn wolf]

the aio is fine

bit expensive but performance wise its fine

[mossy venture]

i think its an old version of h100i

prolly still fine

you know anything about the psu?

oh wait

thats the hx

[autumn wolf]

oh ye it is but it should be fine assuming its an aio you already had and youre just transferring it but be weary of water/fluid that mightve evaporated over time depending on how long youve had it

[mossy venture]

yeah A tier psu

can keep the psu as well then

[mossy venture]

id do the list i just linked, but you can keep your power supply, ssd (kingston drive) and the aio

and take out the psu ssd and heatsink that were in the list i made

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar so I just found out i3 3220 is 2.0 not 3.0 💀

[wanton tundra]

How much of an upgrade is this compared to my current build?

[mossy venture]

huge

580 8gb is similar to 1660s i believe

3080 12gb is one of the best gaming gpus

12400 is also a huge improvement over 7600k

[analog pulsar]

I have one

I saw a few 12GB for $999 dollars and some 10GB versions $899

[potent portal]

There's also the 6900 XT that's been $950 constantly in stock

[analog pulsar]

💀

That too

[mossy venture]

theyre in stock consistently for cheaper than those prices

[strong raft]

Many 10GB 80's have been $850 or less recently

[analog pulsar]

I'm just talking about Amazon

[mossy venture]

why though

[analog pulsar]

Omg

[potent portal]

Ah of course, continuing the Amazon shilling

[analog pulsar]

Bc that's where all my money was so I had to shop there

They don't let you take gift card money out

[mossy venture]

when you returned your 3060 ti you couldve had them put the money back on your card

theres an option to

[strong raft]

Overpay just to use that card balance. Nice

[potent portal]

Well that would depend on where you live. In California for example they're required to allow you to cash $10 or less value

[mossy venture]

unless you originally used gc balance

[analog pulsar]

No me and Amazon lady it had no option

I called customer support no option for return money only continue

So I think large purchases are different

[analog pulsar]

When I got 60ti 458 was gift card and 177 was bank card

I asked Amazon lady to put all in bank card and she was like let me put you on hold bc I don't see then option here

Just says original payment

[analog pulsar]

She then placed me on hold and came back and said I exqusted my resources but there's no option for gift card only or card only so she said the 458 will go back into gift card and 177 will go back into bank

I would have picked credit card bc I saw a nice 3090 for 1.2k on b stock

I think it was FTW3 so it had nice RGB

[little osprey]

planning on getting a PC with Ryzen 7 5800x, 3070 ti, and 32 gigs of ram. trying to conserve enough money for peripherals and decorations as possible. are 4K monitors worth having?

Asus TUF Gaming VG289Q 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor

those are the ones i have on my list

[winter marsh]

@mossy venture Corsair products are sketchy for the most part, I've had AIO's fail after a month and Psu's dead out of the box multiple times

[mossy venture]

Have you bought anything yet

[little osprey]

I plan on getting a case, psu, and fans from them. are the cases and fans ok? what psu brand should i go for.

[little osprey]

no

[mossy venture]

What's the budget?

Also 4k gaming is a meme

Wouldn't buy 4k monitors

[little osprey]

ok

1080 or 1440?

[mossy venture]

Depends on your budget for the whole setup

[little osprey]

6880

[winter marsh]

2k is a good target

[little osprey]

6880 for everything

[mossy venture]

SCUSE ME

Ok then

[little osprey]

lmao

[mossy venture]

One minute

[little osprey]

Im working all summer at 20 an hour to save up for this

i dont want it to go to waste

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Blu3_Bl4z3/saved/#view=Zs2jnQ

the main PC stuff and peripherals i am getting

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BhxH3y for the monitor

[mossy venture]

Private list, also check the one I made

5000 series is a dead platform and not worth

[winter marsh]

I need to case Minsc & Boo in a new home

[mossy venture]

Well not dead, but 12th gen better price/perf

[little osprey]

ive had people say "intel bad" and "amd bad" so idk what to go for

[mossy venture]

For monitor, id get an m27q or another 1440p monitor, I dont know monitors enough to give a proper recc for your budget

[mossy venture]

Neither is bad

Performance is all that matters

[winter marsh]

Go for what you can afford on a reliable platform

[mossy venture]

12900k has same perf as 5950x and is cheaper

[potent portal]

They've been trading blows between AMD and Intel for a few years now

[winter marsh]

I've built AMD and Intel rigs for the kids

AMD maybe cheaper but Intel Benchmarks better

[mossy venture]

Not true

Amd isn't cheaper atm, nor does intel bench better

Depends on the specific skus you're comparing first off, depends on what you're benching with

[potent portal]

12th gen Intel took back the mid and low budget value pick slots. Top end is still pretty even.

[mossy venture]

Eh, 12900f at $490 is pretty nice

[winter marsh]

That's nolonger true with the 5000 series, when I built the pc's there was only Ryzen 1000, 2000, and 3000 so I purchased a 3600XT on a X570 mobo

[mossy venture]

Considering it can run on a $130 b660 without issue, better buy than 5950x if not ocing

Also

[potent portal]

You need to be very specific when it comes to comparing AMD and Intel, generational gaps are notable

[mossy venture]

You said you don't have the money atm

New gpus are coming out soon

Possibly as early as July

[winter marsh]

So buying Ryzen 1500X was my chip of choice if not a i5 6970

[little osprey]

whats a good intel MB with RGB

[potent portal]

Q3 for Nvidia 4000 yeah

[mossy venture]

So since you're not building rn, prices aren't very relevant atm

[winter marsh]

I'm a biased MSI/Asus fanboy

[potent portal]

For which CPU?

[little osprey]

i7 12700

k

[ripe spear]

i5 6970?

[little osprey]

also with wifi

[potent portal]

Ah ok. How much RGB are we talking?

[little osprey]

not alot

but like

visible not like MSI's barely visible lightstrip on the b450 tomahawk

[winter marsh]

Something along that line, I don't care to boot up the Asus Z97 Sabertooth S it's sitting in to ID it properly

[ripe spear]

There is no such thing as a i5 6970 though

[potent portal]

And you want RGB on the board itself, not just headers?

[winter marsh]

So maybe it's a 5970

[ripe spear]

i5's don't go that high in the numbers

[winter marsh]

Well that goes to show how lil I pay attention to thier product lines

[little osprey]

yep

[potent portal]

Also, DDR4 or DDR5?

[little osprey]

DDR4

4 sticks

[potent portal]

Do you need a header for USB C?

[winter marsh]

socket is lga 1150

[little osprey]

yes

ATX

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G4Gbt6/asus-rog-strix-z690-a-gaming-wifi-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-rog-strix-z690-a-gaming-wifi-d4

[little osprey]

white wouldn't look good with my build

[winter marsh]

looks like it was a 4th gen i5 4690 but the tdp is listed as 84 when the chips I purchased are 95 watts tdp

I guess it was an i7 5th gen cpu

either way it stutters in gaming so I don't use it

[little osprey]

what about this MB

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GLBZYSV/ref=asc_df_B09GLBZYSV1653948000000?tag=georiot-us-default-20&ascsubtag=wp-us-8486790345754054000-20&geniuslink=true

idk if it has usb-c headers tho it doesnt say

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mcmmP6/asrock-z690-extreme-wifi-6e-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-extreme-wifi-6e

[little osprey]

perfect

[winter marsh]

That looks like one on the front

[potent portal]

That MSI board does have the header but it's DDR5

[little osprey]

weird

PCPartPicker isn't giving me a compatibility error

are ram slots backwards compatible or something

[potent portal]

They are not

[little osprey]

wait no

it is ddr4

[potent portal]

DDR4 and DDR5 are both 288 pin but they're keyed differently

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jFxbt6/lg-27gn750-b-270-1920x1080-240-hz-monitor-27gn750-b

how is this 1080p monitor

[winter marsh]

Confirmed the MSI has a Type C header

The same as my Nephew's kid's new MSI B550 Gaming Edge WiFi

[potent portal]

Good but overpriced. Most people can't tell the difference between ~165 and 240 hz also.

You'd be better off getting a gigabyte G27Q

[winter marsh]

I've already hit the 144 fps wall with a GTX 1060

[little osprey]

ok nice i managed somehow to get my price down about 200 bucks

[winter marsh]

anyway back to my lame game

[potent portal]

Saving money without compromising quality and features is always a good feeling

[mossy venture]

With how much you're spending, id recommend a 1440p monitor

[green egret]

Windows I is frozen here but I can move my mouse and get cmd screen

[potent portal]

Try using the tab key on the keyboard to select the buttons

Shift tab goes back a selection

[green egret]

Ok I will

I just restarted my pc I’m going to try again

[winter marsh]

Anyone notice the free Windows 11 upgrades offered by microsoft?

[green egret]

Meh it worked after I rebooted

[potent portal]

What do you mean? They've done that since launch

[green egret]

I think I’ve already made the partition automatically right?

This is the partition yah? Or nah

Or do I need to make a partition still

[potent portal]

Yes that should be the partition it created on install

[green egret]

I forgot what to do now lol I’m on my desktop now do I need to just get drivers or is it automatic

Wait it’s not recognizing my other nvme

[winter marsh]

Mobo drivers are either on a outdated disc or better yet dl'd from the manufacturer

I typically dl them to a thumb drive for that purpose

[green egret]

What about windows drivers

Mobo doesn’t have drivers it has bios

[winter marsh]

Windows is good for generic drivers but on specific features you are better off getting them from the motherboard manufacturer

[green egret]

Idk

It’s not detectingwifi so I think wifi isn’t working or something

[winter marsh]

Okay do you have another pc with net access?

[green egret]

I don’t see wifi anywhere

I’m connected to Ethernet right now

But I don’t have Ethernet in my bedroom I’m in my office

[winter marsh]

Thats okay, goto the mobo support page

[green egret]

In network settings there’s no option for wifi

Ohhhh

Yeah

They have the drivers

[winter marsh]

It mostly needs software provided there

[green egret]

What is Utility

Do I need all the drivers

Idk what to download

There’s alot there

[winter marsh]

Select your mobo model and OS

it should look like this

[green egret]

See all the options though

Do I need all of them

Isn’t some already installed

Like why would I need the chipset driver

[winter marsh]

Go down the list and grab the latest versions excluding BETA drivers and Bios

[green egret]

Soo I need all of them

[winter marsh]

No Windows gives generic drivers that can sometimes disable features

[green egret]

Ok

[winter marsh]

Just the latest versions

[green egret]

I’m just going to download all of them

It wants me to restart my comp. Can I install all of them first and then restart?

Or it has to be one by one

[green egret]

Is there a way to see if I have some of them already

[winter marsh]

For Example Version 10.42.526.2020
2020/07/21 12.57 MBytes
Realtek LAN driver V10.42.526.2020 For Windows 10 64-bit.

DOWNLOAD
Version 10.35.510.2019
2019/08/01 12.52 MBytes
Realtek LAN Driver
Install Realtek LAN Driver.

DOWNLOAD
Version 10.34.307.2019
2019/07/03 12.53 MBytes
Realtek LAN Driver

Only version 10.42.526.2020

is current

[green egret]

None of mine say that

I have an msi b660m mortar wifi ddr4

Windows 11

[winter marsh]

Windows will never give you manufacturer specific drivers, only generic drivers to start the OS

[green egret]

Why isn’t it detecting my other nvme?

[winter marsh]

Grab em all

Okay the NVME most likely needs to be set in bios

[green egret]

I only have a C drive

Yeah

[green egret]

Yeah

[winter marsh]

You should dl the owners manual to ready up on it's installation

[green egret]

Oh true

I just downloaded the wifi drive but there’s nothing to install

[winter marsh]

It should be a zip file you rt click to un zip

[green egret]

Yeah the other ones were but this literally didn’t have anything to install

[winter marsh]

in that folder should be a installer .exe file

[green egret]

It was hidden in like 5 folders and it said Failed to parse setup.xml when I tried to run it

Ok that was weird I did it again and is installing it more

[winter marsh]

Wait a sec

[green egret]

Want me to share my screen in discord

[winter marsh]

I dl'd and un zipped the wife driver and found the set in the folder path

[green egret]

Yah I found it

[winter marsh]

Lol

[green egret]

The Bluetooth one is harder to find

[winter marsh]

Its in one of the folders

[green egret]

It’s win10 driver for some reason

[potent portal]

It'll still work on 11

[green egret]

Typical custom or complete

For Bluetooth

[potent portal]

Typical

[winter marsh]

There have been issues with Intel WiFi drivers, it works fine on my X570 but the drivers on the new B550 have never worked

I ended up putting a Asus WiFi adapter back in it

[green egret]

What is aida64 extreme

[winter marsh]

Wrong picture

It's a trial version of a popular PC software

I already tried and uninstalled it already

[green egret]

What’s it do

Also should I get msi center

[stoic island]

Monitoring and some benchmarking and stress testing

Don't get dragon center

[winter marsh]

Helps to diagnos and inspect your OS and system settings

[green egret]

I don’t see dragon center I see msi center and Aida64 extreme

[stoic island]

Aida64 can be useful for a few things, hwinfo64 just more lightweight

[winter marsh]

lol I like Control Center

[stoic island]

Don't grab MSI center or any MSI branded software

[winter marsh]

it's like Asus Armor Crate

[green egret]

So yes to msi center or no

[stoic island]

It's just bloat

[green egret]

What should I get instead

[stoic island]

Nothing

[green egret]

Yes to aids 64

[stoic island]

Hwinfo64 for lightweight monitoring software

[potent portal]

To control RGB use openrgb or signalrgb

[stoic island]

Dragon center or MSI center is just bloat

[winter marsh]

upto you, it has a minor monitoring ability and system software downloads as well as adware type offers

[green egret]

Is Aida like msi after burner

The in game hardware stats

[potent portal]

That's all you'll really use MSI Center for anyway, RGB. Because the monitoring sucks and fan control does too.

[green egret]

Ok I have rgb on my fans and ram soo I guess I need it

[winter marsh]

Unlike Armor Crate you can't set RGB lighting, that is called MSI Mystic Light or something

[strong raft]

aida is like hwinfo64 in a way, but also has some cpu related "tests"

[green egret]

Oh

lol ok nm

[potent portal]

No it tests memory latency and a couple other things

[green egret]

Idk hwinfo

[potent portal]

It's part of MSI Center now

[green egret]

Should I test everything

[winter marsh]

Trouble is AIDA is atrial verson so only functions for about 30 days

[stoic island]

Aida64 does a lot of things tbh, it's just another option to doing many things

[green egret]

I’m just downloading both of them screw it

[potent portal]

You can't get mystic light separate without downloading old versions that don't work with new hardware

[green egret]

Soo msi center will control my rgb

My argb

[stoic island]

No guarantee it'll work well, and it will be a drain on system resources

[green egret]

Soo what should I get instead

[winter marsh]

Anything directly connected to the board like fans, RGB Ram, or Video Card lighting effects

[stoic island]

For most of what MSI center does, you just don't need it, rgb, openrgb or signalrgb

It's just mobo software stuffs everything you don't need into a piece of software and drains system resources

[green egret]

Is it normal to be using 12% of my memory and it’s 32gb?

[winter marsh]

I got fed up with RGB fans and controllers awhile ago, this becomes bloatware once you dabble into too many systems

[potent portal]

Yes

[green egret]

What benchmarks should I run on my pc now to make sure everything is working good

[flint sapphire]

Love when msi center throttles your connection to make it better for gaming

[winter marsh]

Mobo, keyboard & mouse, and fans can easily end up requiring thier own RGB software

[obsidian wigeon]

openrgb solves that problem of bloatware

[green egret]

Is that gaming mode?

[potent portal]

3Dmark time spy, there's a free demo version

[flint sapphire]

Yeah don’t turn it on

[green egret]

Oh You were sarcastic

[flint sapphire]

No

[green egret]

Eh

[flint sapphire]

It actually reduces your internet speeds to prioritize whatever it thinks is gaming packets

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

That's trash

[flint sapphire]

It’s ridiculous

[green egret]

So you don’t love it

[obsidian wigeon]

Just enable QoS on your router

It's literally better that way

[green egret]

What’s qos

[winter marsh]

The only unified RGB seems to be Corsairs IQue

[stoic island]

icue is even more of a drain on resources :p

[flint sapphire]

Like gig up gig down internet connection it turned my download/upload to 15mbps

[stoic island]

openrgb/signalrgb can be nice

[green egret]

Soo what should I install then

[flint sapphire]

Had no idea why it was doing it

[stoic island]

None of them

[green egret]

I downloaded the color thing

Whoops

[stoic island]

I would just uninstall msi center entirely but yea

[winter marsh]

That would be Mystic Lights lol

[green egret]

I’ve gotten 2 program not responding m messages appear

[stoic island]

MSI doesn't even offer mystic lights separately now

[green egret]

That’s not good

[winter marsh]

The Charger app is pretty useful

[green egret]

Should not be happening on a brand new comp

[stoic island]

no, that's just the program doing whatever

[obsidian wigeon]

You can literally plug in and the mobo will charge things for you

No need for extra software

[stoic island]

most problems tend to be just software doing something weird, and not the hardware

[green egret]

Kkkk

[stoic island]

no matter how good your computer is, if the software is trash, it'll just crash itself

[flint sapphire]

Msi software ain’t that great besides afterburner… hardware is pretty alright tho

[winter marsh]

Anyway how is the WiFi working for you now?

[flint sapphire]

(Not peripherals)

[obsidian wigeon]

afterburner is rock solid

but their other stuff

meh

[winter marsh]

Lol I don't hate Afterburner but I prefere Asus GPU Tweak 3

[green egret]

I like the mystic light it’s working on my ram

[obsidian wigeon]

gpu tweak 3 is hella old tbh

and doesn't work on my laptop, sadly

[green egret]

But not detecting my gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

managed to put vram oc on it with afterburner

[green egret]

My cpu is 44c

[winter marsh]

I'd say that about 1 and 2, I'm mindful to keep it updated

[green egret]

Ok I’m going into bios to see why it’s not detecting my m.2

[stoic island]

Or it's detecting and you need to initialize it in disk management

[green egret]

Hmm

[winter marsh]

Oh I found NZXT CAM to be a useful app dealing with this 5800X3D hot potato

[green egret]

I’m going into bios anyways

Just to see what it says

[obsidian wigeon]

nzxt cam, eef

[green egret]

I wana do xmp

Is xmp safe to do now

I think it automatically did it

[winter marsh]

Sure

[green egret]

Wait Nevermind idk

[winter marsh]

I'm gonna try to eat my nephew's burnt kabobe

[green egret]

What should I do

Idk how to turn xmp on lol

[winter marsh]

XMP profiles are safe because it was developed by Intel

[green egret]

Idk how to use this bios lol

[winter marsh]

with there should be a tab for advanced settings

[obsidian wigeon]

xmp profile is just oc profile for ram

it should be safe to enable if the kit isn't faulty

[winter marsh]

if not highlight the memory setting

[green egret]

It is set to enable already