building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

if you're asking him to recase over a 5600G

depends on price

[mossy venture]

Yeah ig

Yeah

Just get a decent model

[earnest olive]

you could also think about upgrading the ram since you have so much extra budget

[mossy venture]

Not ventus 2x

[earnest olive]

3000mhz ram is not doing the 5600G any favors tbh

[late elm]

So a new case and gpu is what I need for right now?

[earnest olive]

no

[mossy venture]

Any other is fine fir the most part

[earnest olive]

you don't need a new case

[mossy venture]

You can survive in the h510 if you don't want to replace ir

[earnest olive]

you can get a new case if you would prefer a different aesthetic

[late elm]

I was thinking of updating the processor and motherboard. Would that be OK as well?

[earnest olive]

kinda pointless

[mossy venture]

I'd wait on that

Do apus have pbo sips?

[earnest olive]

the 5600g will do alright paired with a 3070 and the motherboard should be fine

yes they do

[late elm]

But I want to up it to stream

[earnest olive]

you don't need to lol

stream off of the nvidia gpu

[late elm]

Probably should have said that first

[earnest olive]

nvenc will handle it

[mossy venture]

Nvidia gpus have streaming encoders

So does amd tbf

[late elm]

[earnest olive]

only multimillionaire twitch partners bother with CPU encode

and they have a second PC to do it

[late elm]

So Nvidia gpu 3070?

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XdqMC6 pick one of these two ram kits

don't buy both

[late elm]

[earnest olive]

and you're good to go

[late elm]

Thank you all so much

[earnest olive]

if you really wanna burn some more of your budget

you can get more storage

you change your case if you want it to look different, but it's not really an obligation

could invest in a better monitor

[late elm]

I will eventually. I just want to start streaming. My other pc crapped out. I bought it from my brother

[earnest olive]

the 3070 will handle the streaming

[dense palm]

Is rgb and rainbow part on the mobo the same thing?

[earnest olive]

no

RGB = 12V 4-pin
ARGB = 5V 3-pin
rainbow is a nonstandard name for ARGB

[dense palm]

I see thanks

[earnest olive]

i think MSI calls it J_RAINBOW

is your motherboard from MSI?

[dense palm]

Yes

[earnest olive]

yup

[dense palm]

Mortar b660m

[strong raft]

@gatttagofast if there's holes under psu, flip it. Right now psu & gpu are sort of pulling air from eachother. Also hope that hsf works out, 12900k is toasty.

[dense palm]

Phanteks only has power, hd audio and usb cables right?

Except the fan/rgb

[earnest olive]

i don't think cases from 1974 had holes in the bottom for psu

gpus weren't hot or power hungry enough for it to matter

[earnest olive]

which case

i can only speak for p360a

cause that's the only phanteks case i'm familiar with

but if you have the p360a then yes

i just did a p360a build yesterday, it's in #build-pics

[dense palm]

360

[earnest olive]

yeah

that's all the cables then

[dense palm]

Kk

Hd audio goes to j audio or something?

[earnest olive]

yes

[strong raft]

Haha, right. My spare pc Antec 300 didn't.

[earnest olive]

nothing a dremel can't fix

[dense palm]

How long will you be on orange?

[earnest olive]

well

i should not be on

so who knows

[dense palm]

Lmao

[earnest olive]

i should be studying for finals instead of talking about computers

as usual

[stoic island]

tryna figure out PSU, seems like an old random tier C unit?

[dense palm]

[earnest olive]

last time i used this PSU it was an A tier

[dense palm]

Well I am out atm and will be back in about 2-3 hours

[earnest olive]

didn't check if it has moved since then

[stoic island]

uh

that's not gf1

[dense palm]

Or should I reference your oics?

Pics

[stoic island]

@earnest olive I'm pretty sure it's the PSU so old they took it off cultist

[earnest olive]

i don't think you can see anything meaningful about cables in my pics lol

[dense palm]

Ok I will check if you are still on later

Ty for help

[stoic island]

this one on the old tier list, the unmarked Toughpower gold semi mod @earnest olive

[earnest olive]

hmm

i see

alright

guess i was wrong

[stoic island]

Would look at what exactly it is but jonnyguru site gone and archive doesn't have backup

[earnest olive]

pain

thats a lot of good info gone then

[stoic island]

I mean, we can go ask them

[dense palm]

Got my cpu, ssd, gpu and ram on

[earnest olive]

@late elm i have a correction to make

[dense palm]

Stock fan had to be used since the arctic fan did not come with 1700 backplate

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3L774s

good ol leadex 3 gold

[dense palm]

Back plate comes tuesday

[stoic island]

leadex iii is fun

[earnest olive]

i love the brand name lol

super flower

[dense palm]

And now is just puzzle solving for

Which wire goes where

[stoic island]

Super flower is nice fun OEM

[late elm]

whats the difference?

[stoic island]

different PSU

[earnest olive]

better psu

[late elm]

[earnest olive]

more reliable

[late elm]

oh ok cook

[earnest olive]

will prob last through your next upgrade

[late elm]

cool

[earnest olive]

smaller chance of fire

[stoic island]

I still want to swap h510 but that's already enough revisions for today

[earnest olive]

the chance of fire is never zero but it's worth getting as close to zero as you can

h510 is fine for 5600g 3070

kind of waste of money unless they want it to look different

which i mentioned

[stoic island]

Meh, just prefer having something better for the CPU upgrade they wanted at first

[earnest olive]

i know it's fun to meme about it but at the end of the day recommendations shouldn't be based on memes

yeah i'd say change the case if they were dead set on a cpu upgrade but it's not really necessary to

[stoic island]

Of course, I won't deny h510 negative pressure works okay

But I still don't like it when you have the option to swap it

[earnest olive]

I just don't want someone who's clearly a beginner to get the impression that it's a mandatory swap that they absolutely must prioritize budget for

it's not great... but it's serviceable for the components

[stoic island]

I just kinda have an illogical hate of NZXT and Corsair, where dislike of (most of their) individual parts make sense, but that just leads me to hate both companies

[desert gulch]

Man's hates 4000/5000d so much, since he shills p500a smh

[earnest olive]

well my attitude would be different if they didn't already have the case

just step away from the memes and think about it objectively

we're here to help other people, it's not a build for you

[desert gulch]

Drill some holes in h510 and make h510 flow?

[earnest olive]

lmao

ol reliable dremel mod

[rich void]

Or just take off the front panel?

[desert gulch]

Not near as cool as just drilling a bunch of holes

[rich void]

Maybe hang some cheese cloth in front of it if you want mesh

[desert gulch]

Me and mr1 are gonna have an issue here

He hates Corsair and I shill the cxf currently...

[mossy venture]

What would be the diff between that 3600c16 kit of ram and the 4000c18 32gb kit g.skill has rn

Unless it's not on sale anymore

[desert gulch]

400cl2

[mossy venture]

:p

[stoic island]

I'm okay with 5000d since p500a price went way up

[desert gulch]

What about cxf?

[earnest olive]

not comfortable recommending 4000 32gb

less likely to run xmp

[stoic island]

and I'm fine with cxf and rmx and such as you know, it's actually CWT and HEC @desert gulch

[earnest olive]

4000 16gb should be plug and play on cezanne

ofc you can get 4000 32gb running easily on cezanne with manual tuning

[stoic island]

Of course, but objectively, H510 is a bad case

[earnest olive]

but that should be avoided

[stoic island]

For upgradabilities sake, nein from me

[desert gulch]

Good

Do you also shill the CV or nah? Incredible psu

[stoic island]

never

[desert gulch]

Smh

Take away his techie

[stoic island]

I don't like BQ, I don't like CV

[desert gulch]

*bbq

[earnest olive]

objectively bad yes, but not quite objectively bad enough to be mandatory to change

[stoic island]

Yea, that's why I didn't go and make the change to the list, but (heavily) hinting at my opinions

[desert gulch]

The box the case comes in performs better as a case than the case itself 💀

[cyan ravine]

Could always do this to the front panel

Probably the best compromise if that were on the table lol

[earnest olive]

it really doesn't

[cyan ravine]

There's better ones out there but that's just an example

[stoic island]

Negative pressure stock does actually do decent

[earnest olive]

believe me, I was surprised seeing the massive 3070ti that barely even fit stay below 70c in the h510

fully overclocked

[desert gulch]

Was that when the PC was off?

[earnest olive]

:|

it's fine to meme about it with other experienced users but please let's be objective when making recommendations to beginners

[desert gulch]

Aight sorry my b

[earnest olive]

otherwise they'll believe you and drop $100 on an upgrade they really did not need

[desert gulch]

Tru

[stoic island]

@desert gulch what's this about a canceled G7 that returns to SF

[earnest olive]

the resale value of the h510 is pretty poor as well

cause there's so many of them around

[desert gulch]

Never even heard of the G7

But whoever had the idea to return to sf deserves a medal

[stoic island]

lol

[earnest olive]

evga on a quest to conquer the entire alphabet and number line

[desert gulch]

The idiot that cut ties with SF and made the g5 should be fired

[stoic island]

Haven't actually seen Leadex V PSUs, here's a review on Leadex V plat, interesting to have a really low OCP
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/super-flower-leadex-v-platinum-pro-1000w-power-supply-review/3

like OCP triggers at rated max on 12v rail

[earnest olive]

that's surprising

[stoic island]

and then all the other rails are loose

[earnest olive]

my old 750w tripped at 1000w lol

[stoic island]

mhm

and my g3 probably trips when it dies

[cyan ravine]

Isn't it better that it trips really low tho

[earnest olive]

i mean

[cyan ravine]

Or am i wrong

[earnest olive]

if the components can handle a short spike up that high

[stoic island]

There's like a sweet spot where spikes won't trip it and it'll still be useful to stop things going wrong

[earnest olive]

then no you would want it to trip at what it can handle

[stoic island]

usually 120%-130% kinda thing is standard

[earnest olive]

I mean we have GPUs that can spike to like 800w+

[cyan ravine]

So it's a balance

[earnest olive]

for tiny fractions of a second

[stoic island]

mhm

oh and opp is low too

trips at ~1000w

[earnest olive]

so a low trip point would render a psu practically incompatible with those while other psu handles it perfectly fine

[stoic island]

So you're kinda screwed if GPU trips it

Some PSU protections are just not sensitive enough to trip on like <5ms spikes

[desert gulch]

Gigabyte rn: 😐

[earnest olive]

I remember some older high end seasonic plats were rated for like 1000w but were basically incompatible with 3090

[stoic island]

I think forky had one where OCP tripped really low

[desert gulch]

Probs

[earnest olive]

meanwhile my txm750 tanked 480w 3090 like a champ

[desert gulch]

Whats "low" for forks?

[stoic island]

lol

[desert gulch]

Like 150% of the rated?

[earnest olive]

probably like 3500w

just under 300 amps

fitz got a single gpu to draw 1600w iirc

[stoic island]

ln2 quad opterons

[desert gulch]

Smh

[earnest olive]

pair two of those with a 1000w threadripper

4200w time

[desert gulch]

He was probs using like a cv450 too

[earnest olive]

just gonna need a few different circuits in your house

[desert gulch]

Inb4 s12iii 500w

[stoic island]

Forky does have a dual 3990x rig iirc

[desert gulch]

Dare one of you guys to ship one to forks

[earnest olive]

time to shower byebye

[desert gulch]

Have fun

[stoic island]

Go clean yourself

[desert gulch]

Me and mr1 are on our way

[mossy venture]

Ah right I remember you explaining that to me

Or maybe fal

[stoic island]

infinity fabric things

[mossy venture]

Not wanting to explain to little Timmy how to change fclk

[stoic island]

zen 3 doens't guarantee 2000mhz

It might never be able to run the kit xmp at 1:1

[mossy venture]

Ye

[stoic island]

It's a thing of why force more work onto them when you can have a kit that xmp at something that works just as well

[desert gulch]

Isn't like 1600 the absolute guaranteed?

Altho if you get one that can't push over 1600, you got tremendously unlucky

[cyan ravine]

Usually the wall starts at about 1866

For Zen 3

[desert gulch]

Yeah I know what you'll usually get

But I thought 1600 was what amd said you would get at least

At the minimum

[earnest olive]

APUs are different

it's pretty easy to run like 2200 fclk on cezanne

some people can do 2500 fclk

of course this is by manual tuning standards

[cyan ravine]

Indeed

Yeet all the things

[earnest olive]

2200 fclk cezanne is like 1867 fclk zen 3 iirc

in that 99% of samples will do it

[desert gulch]

Isn't 1600 rock bottom or is it 1800?

[earnest olive]

1600

i mean, it really says nothing about the IMC

[desert gulch]

I would die if I got a zen 3 that couldn't push past 3200 1:1 lol

[earnest olive]

they can't say it allows any higher than ddr4-3200 because there are no existing standards above ddr4-3200

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

alder lake also says ddr4-3200

[desert gulch]

They should just put "we don't know"

[earnest olive]

on i9-12900KS

[desert gulch]

On the zen 3 apu's, at least

Ye

[earnest olive]

well no, it makes sense to say it supports 3200

[desert gulch]

Yeah ig

[earnest olive]

if you care enough to run ram faster than 3200 you're probably not the target audience relying on specs from amd.com

[desert gulch]

Ye

[earnest olive]

for a business customer heck yeah you want to know the maximum officially validated speed

running a mission critical server? 3200c22 all day

[dense palm]

@earnest olive you still around?

What cable is this one

[obsidian wigeon]

it's for cpu power

[strong raft]

Top left corner of mobo

[dense palm]

Do I need to put ram elsewhere?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

[dense palm]

Giving me warning saying not at “optimal” slot

Or something

[obsidian wigeon]

oh

gotta check the manual

[frank stirrup]

slot 2 and 4

so the 2 slots that are empty

need to have ram

[cyan ravine]

The other 2 slots are generally the ones you use

[dense palm]

Alright thanks

At least it comes on

So looks like it works

And goes to bios

[cyan ravine]

[dense palm]

Change setting or continue for bios option?

F1 or F2

[novel ore]

Does anyone know if there is any water block for this RTX 3090 TI FE card

[frank stirrup]

I dont know what bios u have and what f1 and f2 stand for lad

[frank stirrup]

yes

[novel ore]

do you have a link

[dense palm]

Nvm it skipped

Msi mobo

Where do I go from here

Trying to install windows 10 from usb iso

[frank stirrup]

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector-fe-rtx-3090-ti-d-rgb-black-special-edition

[frank stirrup]

enable xmp 1 if u havent already

and thats it

[dense palm]

Just exit?

Since it loads xmp1

[novel ore]

Sweet. do you know if there is any other brands too?

[frank stirrup]

Im unaware of others but you can just literally google "3090 ti fe waterblock"

and see if u can find some yourself

[novel ore]

ok thanks for the help

[strong raft]

3090 ti is also really nice not having ram on the backside like the non Ti.

[frank stirrup]

My rx570 has all on the front too

is my rx570>3090?

:)

[dense palm]

Well there it is

Installing windows atm

Dont mind the fan wire, gonna replace that once 1700 backplate comes

Thanks for all your help!

[forest epoch]

About to build my first rig this week. Kinda stoked 😅

[leaden plume]

Yeah

[deft solar]

I’m trying to fix my Mac

[frank stirrup]

whats the problem

@deft solar

[deft solar]

My mac is lagging

[frank stirrup]

details?

what mac

what os

when does it lag

[deft solar]

It lags sometimes

[frank stirrup]

but

whennn

[deft solar]

Mine MacBook Air

[frank stirrup]

i give up

[deft solar]

Now

[frank stirrup]

bro i cant be asked if u cant answer my questions properly

[strong raft]

Ok you can stop spamming for a green name, lol. This is build chat, not "fix-my-crap-laggy-mac-book"

[frank stirrup]

so either come to me with proper answers or dont come to me at all

theres like 30 macbook airs

and when i say when i mean what are you doing when it lags

so please answer questions well if u want good answers

[dense palm]

I can feel all the love

[flint sapphire]

The cables

[obsidian wigeon]

that cable management is

ooof

[desert gulch]

That's where you're wrong...

What cable management?

[flint sapphire]

I like the completely taut cable in front of the cpu cooler

It’s like struggling to hold it together. Like Spider-Man

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-i-got-this-please-stop-train-tobey-maguire-gif-17203784

[quasi sun]

Nice

[unborn mesa]

Looks like theres some tension on it

[earnest olive]

lol don't worry about it my first build had pretty bad cables

you can always go back and redo them

took me 3 months before I decided to

[obsidian wigeon]

^

there's always time to redo

[unborn mesa]

I should redo mine too tbh take off the mod cables and leave the normal psu cables

[analog pulsar]

Can some9ne help me

How do you work this

[ornate condor]

Just push gpu in lol

[jagged ember]

looks like you push the long tab up towards the top of the case to release

did you take a look at the manual yet?

[analog pulsar]

I don't have a manual

Also idk what manual to look for

But Google has this

[worn wave]

You just push that tab to the side to remove a GPU. To install one, you just put it in

[jagged ember]

probably just as I said

[analog pulsar]

Well I messed up

[jagged ember]

Honestly I'm surprised dell even gives instructions

[analog pulsar]

💀

[jagged ember]

what are you trying to do anyways

[worn wave]

Their documentation varies.

[jagged ember]

insert a card?

[desert gulch]

i thought the only gave recycling/disposal instructions for their pc’s

[worn wave]

I was working on setting up a Dell disk array and the documentation for it was absolutely awful, took me forever to figure out the software

[desert gulch]

💀

[jagged ember]

well software is apparently a lot harder to document than hardware according to dell

[desert gulch]

”what bloatware?”

[jagged ember]

you need macafee

[desert gulch]

you NEED macafee

[jagged ember]

mcafee

mc cafe

[desert gulch]

”WE swear this is a clean install bruh”

-Dell

[analog pulsar]

Yea but I um pushed down now blue thing is stuck under gpu

Okay I got gpu out with brutal force

[wheat coral]

you push it toward cpu

[wheat coral]

dont oush it fown or toward gpu dumbo

push the tab toward the cpu

[analog pulsar]

The tab was stuck I coulsnt

[wheat coral]

yea because you stuck it under the gpu

[worn wave]

Correct.

[analog pulsar]

Yes ik this

[jagged ember]

lmao

[balmy vapor]

I need help with my USB Miner build. I have recently purchased 4 GekkoScience Compac USB bitcoin miners and to overclock them at max capacity I need 3A of current supplied to each of them. Thus I need a powerful USB Hub. The problem is that this is a tricky search and I have had no luck in finding the right product on either Amazon, Aliexpress or even Newegg. The left side sort option simply does not have a field to select "max power output per port". Can you guys help?

[south cliff]

hello people of newegg

[quasi sun]

Hi

[scarlet rampart]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3J4pH is this a good budget build

[mossy venture]

depends, are you paying those prices?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sRtfd9

would be much better

if you can spend more, this would also be good https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rktfd9

[scarlet rampart]

will this be able to run cod game/gta

[mossy venture]

both would

6650xt about equal to a 2080

6600 about equal to a 2060s

which is slightly behind 3060

[desert gulch]

This is nice

It doesn't have the refresh like 6650xt, etc, but still a nice chart, ez to understand

[scarlet rampart]

what about the one I linked would that be able to run both games

[mossy venture]

yes, but its terrible value

1650 g5 will barely be able to run cod

12100f is about same cpu perf to 10400f, for less

[scarlet rampart]

what about https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s7PdbK

[mossy venture]

6600 is like 60% better than 1650

[scarlet rampart]

im just missing the graphic card

[mossy venture]

theres no gpu in there, and the psu is terrible

ram is also terrible

oh wait thats not the psu i thought it was

psu is fine, but still terrible value

the two builds i linked are a good bit better

[scarlet rampart]

yah on one of the builds you linked, what if i change the cpu to a i5-10400

[mossy venture]

the 12100f is better

and cheaper

if you want to have 6 cores, then get 12400f

[desert gulch]

Over $20 cheaper 😳

[scarlet rampart]

and im guessing having more cores is better right?

[desert gulch]

Not always

[mossy venture]

no

[desert gulch]

Architecture > cores

[mossy venture]

not when talking about different generations

6 weaker cores vs 4 stronger cores

[scarlet rampart]

does the 12100f come with a cooler

[mossy venture]

yes

[scarlet rampart]

alright man appreciate your help.

[desert gulch]

Every non k Intel core series does

Even the i9 12900(f)

[mossy venture]

also

just because i see a lot of people do this

power supplies are more than just wattage

dont get a random psu because its higher wattage

the one i put in there is good quality, and high enough wattage for more than the system will pull

[scarlet rampart]

yeah currently i have a 600w gold segotep

[mossy venture]

is it the gp?

[desert gulch]

Even if it is, theres dif variants it could be xD

Hopefully it's the LLC one

[mossy venture]

true

[desert gulch]

Basically a cut down platimax

[scarlet rampart]

i have this one

[earnest olive]

not true

[desert gulch]

Current one

[earnest olive]

there is a 12th gen non-K cpu with no stock cooler

[desert gulch]

12600?

[earnest olive]

i5-12490F

[desert gulch]

Bruh that's China market smh

[earnest olive]

still a non k intel core series

[desert gulch]

Well technically the es samples are probs the same

Smh

[earnest olive]

lmao

[desert gulch]

If you wanna get technical

[earnest olive]

imagine buying 12900K ES on ebay and they toss in a stock cooler

how helpful

[desert gulch]

Kek

[earnest olive]

does locked ES even exist

[desert gulch]

Should

Like 12400 and stuff

Otherwise how tf they even gonna know if it'll work?

[earnest olive]

do they need to ES a 12400 that's just a cut down die anyways

[desert gulch]

They have them

[earnest olive]

it's not like 12400 is its actual own separate product

it's just cut down from a larger die

[earnest olive]

interesting

[desert gulch]

Probs because there is no k i5 of the same thing

Since the only k i5 has e cores

[earnest olive]

https://www.hwcooling.net/en/the-same-and-yet-different-intel-core-i5-12400-duel-h0-vs-c0/

there are two different dies going into i5-12400s

[desert gulch]

Hmm

[earnest olive]

i guess the i5-12400 ES is a H0 stepping sample then

[desert gulch]

Yea

[earnest olive]

i'd think it's not explicitly designed to be a 12400 ES though

since 12400 is just lower clocked 12600

just their H0 stepping ES in general

[desert gulch]

But different igp smh

Intel has to be special ofc

[ripe spear]

Hi curious question but would the SN350 be good for a secondary M.2 because my board has a second M.2 slot which is Gen3 only and i am looking at this WD Green SN350 960gb for 94$ CAD

[dense palm]

Is this enough paste

Ty

[obsidian wigeon]

i wouldn't do it imo

and gen 4 ssd could work in 3.0 mode

get mp34

[flint sapphire]

It’s never enough thermal paste

[rich void]

https://tenor.com/view/thermal-paste-cpu-motherboard-thermal-paste-cpu-cpu-thermal-paste-gif-24047580

Here, is that enough?

[obsidian wigeon]

UwU Inside

[native dew]

Yo, building right now and having an issue

Guess I’ll start off with a question
Can I mount any sort of fans onto the NZXT Kraken

I want to use different fans bc I got pre installs for the case that comes with RGB whilst the NZXT Fans do not.

[obsidian wigeon]

shoulda got a non nzxt aio

But yes, you can

But you'll need a fan hub to power all those fans tho

Probably argb or rgb one, depending on the type of rgb they use

[native dew]

That’s this right

[obsidian wigeon]

Looks.. like it

I think so, yeah

You can use that and put the fans on the aio

Might make it perform worse idk, depending on the fans

The stock fans on the aio could be better than whatever the case has

[dense palm]

Added the arctic fan

Now Cables are even better

[slim mortar]

hi

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8bTkfv

need help with this build

👀

[viral ore]

help with?

are you looking to buy those parts?

[frank stirrup]

budget and what all have u purchased

[mossy venture]

have you bought anything

i kinda hope the answer to that is no https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPv9C6

[slim mortar]

not yet

[mossy venture]

then id do the list i made

[slim mortar]

what happend with this

Note: When the motherboard M.2 slot M2_1 is used, two SATA 6 Gb/s ports are disabled.

?

[mossy venture]

wont be relevant to your use case

unless for whatever reason youre using more than 2 sata drives

could spend a bit more on a b660 though

and not have to worry about it

[slim mortar]

ok ok

[slim mortar]

thank you, i will search the b660

[mossy venture]

why, i can link you it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KKbTwP/msi-pro-b660m-a-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-ddr4

@slim mortar

[viral ore]

yeah lol, never ever recommend 610 boards

[mossy venture]

they can run 3200mhz xmp

[viral ore]

they only allow for a single memory channel

[mossy venture]

for a budget 12100f build, theyre fine

[mossy venture]

no they dont

i stand corrected

[viral ore]

oh wait

yeah im kinda ootl

i remember the buzz around ces and havent looked into it much since haha

[slim mortar]

for rayzen 5

[viral ore]

bad techie

[viral ore]

amd isnt a good pick for budget

atm at least

[mossy venture]

12100f beats 5600g and is cheaper

[viral ore]

would be better off putting money towards a dGPU, even if it costs a little more to do so

[mossy venture]

^

[next star]

how long do you guys think its gonna be till i need a new graphics card i have a rtx 2080 super

[mossy venture]

depends on your definition of need

[next star]

until i cant run games at good frame rates

[mossy venture]

years

[ripe spear]

That is 30$ more for only 40gb more

[mossy venture]

theres more to storage than space

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[formal girder]

Speeds, longevity, and space play a role as well as form factor

[obsidian wigeon]

imo, if you wanna save money

get a sata ssd for mass storage

[desert gulch]

or just a hdd

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[desert gulch]

if you rly wanna save mooney

[formal girder]

Toshiba for the win I'd say

[desert gulch]

brand based

[formal girder]

Them X300 do some work

[desert gulch]

thats true

@strong raft heyyyyy

[neon condor]

@mossy venture Been correcting all the Techies lately even me.

[mossy venture]

once i correct all the techies, ill become mega techie

[neon condor]

Hahahah

[desert gulch]

havent corrected me yet smh

im on high guard rn

Ryzen 5 3600 + hyper 212 + 1660 super best combo, no cap

[neon condor]

That's okay we're all human and can be wrong just like anyone else.

Thank you for making sure our community gets the right information.

Wasn't hating on you.

[mossy venture]

jokes on you, i shill the pgm

[strong raft]

haha. I'll just semi-correct Fox: sata ssd isn't really a way to save much, especially w/ some crazy nvme deals once in a while.

[desert gulch]

good techies arent ever wrong

when was the last time my twin was wrong?

we communicate telepathically so me and him never mess us smh

[strong raft]

Well I was easily able to resell the 1TB 970 evo plus for $90 (+ shipping). Just wanted to break even. Now the 500GB sn550 is boot drive instead of being nearly useless in the 3770 rig.

[desert gulch]

i saw that on your reddit xD

[strong raft]

After the 24 hr limit I might list the S70 Blade, can always rebuy in the future. Without it I'll still have 500 boot + 2000GB, exactly double my old setup.

[balmy vapor]

I need help with my USB Miner build. I have recently purchased 4 GekkoScience Compac USB bitcoin miners and to overclock them at max capacity I need 3A of current supplied to each of them. Thus I need a powerful USB Hub. The problem is that this is a tricky search and I have had no luck in finding the right product on either Amazon, Aliexpress or even Newegg. The left side sort option simply does not have a field to select "max power output per port". Can you guys help?

[burnt ibex]

man how much is a USB bitcoin miner even going to make you

a GPU that draws so much more power can make like a buck or two in a day depending on what GPU you have

a little USB miner is going to make a few cents

[fossil cedar]

That's on eth, btc with a gpu will loose money

[burnt ibex]

oh yea I forgot to specify that

[karmic junco]

Goodmorning yaw, I have a AMD RADEON 6700XT and I hate the way my GPU cable look in my case it’s ugly. I want to replace them with some RGB cables. I’m not sure what PINS my GPU have is it 24 pins? Sorry if I’m asking a dumb question I’m new to the PC world.

[frank stirrup]

u can get lian li strimmer extensions for pcie power cables

if u wanna replace the entire cable though, its much more tricky as they will need to be compatible with ur psu

[karmic junco]

Can i PM you? I want to make sure I buy what I want. The cables are ugly and bulky in my case. I can send you a picture.

[frank stirrup]

ok

[alpine dock]

anyone here have some free time to help me out. i am planning to get more ram so was just making sure on what type i have however it only lists the amount and i even used command prompt but it gave me 0 instead of one of the types so i am a little lost here and it bugs me. also sorry if there is somewhere else i should be asking.

ok i got to looking it is a ddr4 from the label thanks for the tip (honestly forgot about that part) do you know why it wouldn't be listing the information on my system though?

ok thanks

[humble fossil]

hi

[mossy venture]

Hello

[humble fossil]

what is better Asus 3070 v2 Tuf or KO

[mossy venture]

Whichever is cheaper

[humble fossil]

and

[rich void]

Get the TUF

They're both good cards and the TUF is cheaper

[humble fossil]

KO 630$

[rich void]

Alternatively get one of the EVGA 3070s in stock now: https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0

[rich void]

Can you buy it direct from Asus there? The purchase able KO you listed is pricier, you could get a 3070 Ti for that cost

[humble fossil]

yes

Some times it’s out of stock

[rich void]

Well the EVGA 3070s or either of those Asus ones are all good, so just get whichever is cheaper/you prefer/is available

[humble fossil]

i don’t want from evga

[rich void]

They've got the 629 one, or a 479 3060 Ti

Which honestly the 60Ti is easily the card to get there

[rich void]

Then buy one of those Asus cards

[humble fossil]

Support for EVGA in the Middle East is not good I think

[fossil cedar]

Get the cheaper

[humble fossil]

difference 30$

Good *

[fossil cedar]

Did I stutter

[full atlas]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NXzDjZ how much do y’all think this could sell for?

[fossil cedar]

Shut

[fossil cedar]

Oh god no

6500xt on gen pcie gen 3 💀

Maybe 600?

[full atlas]

I mean if I could get 600 that would be really good tbh

[mossy venture]

That psu is an ied

[native dew]

Yo my case didn’t come with a PSU bracket, do I need one or is it not necessary?

[fossil cedar]

A psu shroud??

[native dew]

Yea that

[fossil cedar]

Nah completely cosmetic+ ease of cable management

[native dew]

Yea

I got it the case as a gift severanmonths ago so I don’t think I can

I’ll probably just buy one

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-05FB-00002?item=9SIAR12HGD8149&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-cases (computer cases - atx form)-_-christmas shop-_-9SIAR12HGD8149&source=region

Yea you were right I just had to screw the holes on the PSU lmfaooo

I didn’t see them at first

My b for the dumbassery this is my first build

[fossil cedar]

Also i would highly recommend getting a different case 150$ for something that looks like it should be 50$

[native dew]

Fair, fair.

[fossil cedar]

Ah okay

[native dew]

Tbh if I do another build down the road I want some kind of full tower those look raw

Thx

[winter marsh]

Who is ready to jump on the Ryzen 7000 train

[ornate condor]

13900k 5.8ghz

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780512032109494313/943686956393574420/beantip.gif

[strong raft]

6ghz or bust

[ornate condor]

maybe 6ghz with OC

[strong raft]

Either way.

[winter marsh]

That's Intel

[ornate condor]

[strong raft]

Very astute

[ornate condor]

finally AM5 have better locking mechanism at least cpu will not pop up when you try remove heatsink anymore lol

and theres no stupid cooler on chipset

[strong raft]

Fans on chipset feels like a late 90s or early 2000s thing tbh.

[winter marsh]

I had a chipset cooler on my AMD XP mobo

[ornate condor]

I'm glad amd removed it finally

[winter marsh]

I think I transfered it to my AMD64 chipset mobo

[frigid night]

6ghz sounds amazing

[ornate thicket]

Not sure if this is the right place for this so if it isn't please tell me and I will delete it...but looking to build a PC for the first time...purpose will be work (I own a CPA practice so basically tax returns and accounting) along with some gaming (runescape, CoD, Halo, etc). I am trying to stay as low a possible but $1,500 would be my budget with a goal of upgrading as time goes on...this is what I have for my build list but any input would be appreciated

CPU - Intel Core i7 10700F
Mobo - ASUS TUF Gaming B560M - Plus WIFI LGA 1200 Micro ATX
Memory - G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600
GPU - MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3050 8GB GDDR6 PCIe 4.0
Case - Fractal Design Meshify C Mini
PSU - Corsair RM850 CP-9020235-NA
Storage - Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2 2280 2TB PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 1.3 V-NAND 3-bit MLC

Right now total cost on Newegg's builder is $1,287.79

[mossy venture]

I'll make you a list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dn69C6

Much better performance in every way

[ornate thicket]

thanks, does that mobo have wifi? I would love to hardwire but my desk location makes it tough

[mossy venture]

Kk one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVWkfv

Now it does

[ornate thicket]

thanks!

[craggy zenith]

hi guys I'm looking to upgrade my build that I first started about a year ago! here's what I got so far and am wondering what direction I should head first? my instinct says ram but I'm looking for some advice!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ym3PJM

[mossy venture]

DEFINITELY ram

I'd go for either of these https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8BLwrH/gskill-aegis-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gis
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[craggy zenith]

okay thank you! I've had some bad exp in the past with gskill although i know they are a good company is there any other brands of 2x16 you'd recommend for my build

[mossy venture]

Not for the 3600c16, which is what I'd really recommend for an amd cpu, but if you dislike gskill that much https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[high yew]

don’t know where else to say this so it’s gonna go here lol. hypothetically speaking, let’s say my aio breaks and leaks and damages my pc - thus ruining it. is there something saying that IF that happens the manufacturers would cover your pc for you? after you’d ship the aio of course to make sure it’s a legit break/tear/whatever

[native dew]

I have it set up! But uh
Can’t get wifi

I have that Msi pro z690 motherboard too

With the wifi

[obsidian wigeon]

You gotta install wifi driver first

[dapper karma]

hey can anyone help me with motherboard standoff questions? im super confused

[frank stirrup]

no because u never asked the question

[dapper karma]

Ok so Ill ask, sorry

I have a friend whos installing a motherboard into his first ever build, the case is a Phanteks p400a Digital

the case only comes with a single motherboard standoff screw

[frank stirrup]

they will be preinstalled in the case

[dapper karma]

but the screws already installed naturally have clearance from the metal shell within, and thats the thing standoffs are recommended for right?

ok

[frank stirrup]

what motherboard does he have?

[dapper karma]

as long as the motherboard isnt touching any metal thats good right?

MSI B550 TOMAHAWK MAG

[frank stirrup]

yeah he wont need any extra standoffs

just the ones already screwed into the case

[dapper karma]

Okay ,thank you

I just get paranoid with shorts is all

Now we just have to figure out the power supply

Modular cables are two way so it shouldnt matter which side we put in the psu

I think

[fossil cedar]

Budget? Country? Use case?

[fossil cedar]

Oh georgia thats gonna be tough because us prices are going to be nothing like georgia prices

If you can link a few sites i might be able to take a look later but i don't have enough time to go searching through sites atm, if you where in the us I'd do this tho if that's any use to you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7mCHW4

[ripe spear]

That looks better than what he did

[cyan ravine]

It's about as low as physically possible for a decent new build

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[ripe spear]

What games do you intend on playing?

Just saying but if you're planning on going for used you could always go for something like a i3 10100 or R5 3600/R7 3700X and a GTX 1660 Super/RTX 2060 or a 8gb RX 5500 which then you could use the additional money for things like additional storage

[mossy venture]

Storage and ram are easily upgradable, cpu, gpu, psu, mobo are the stuff you want to be good

Well. You want everything to be nice, but when market sucks you want to find something that won't fry itself from a bad psu

No

Except for 1600af, that's decent

Rest sucks

Including 1600 non af

No

1600af is decent

1600 is bad

I wouldnt pair it with anything over a 1060 6gb/1660

That's not terrible, 10100 is about $80 in the US new

Try looking for an 8700/9700/9400/10400/2600/3300x/3600/

First ones are intel cpus

Last three are amd

I'm gonna assume 12100 is overpriced

3470 was my first cpu

2600 is miles better than 1600

Check 1600af prices as well

$63

?

Or $143

Ah

For reference, 1600af=2600 (roughly, im also tired so I would take this all with a grain of salt)

[frank stirrup]

trash for gaming tbh

[mossy venture]

^

[earnest olive]

eh... not really?

zen+ is just a refresh generation

[mossy venture]

isnt 1600 non af the terrible one?

[earnest olive]

it's less than 10% uplift from 1600AE to 2600 lol

[mossy venture]

i stand very corrected

[earnest olive]

like 8% ST and similar MT gain

they're both not worth buying in 2022 unless you get them for practically free

they get crushed by r5 3600 that you can find for sub $100 nowadays

[mossy venture]

georgia tho

[earnest olive]

they have haswell tier ST performance

[mossy venture]

bad market there

[earnest olive]

I've seen them for $100 shipped or less

I just built an r5 3600x + 16gb + 512gb rig for like $400 minus gpu

got the gpu for free

and that price includes custom cables, aftermarket cooler, 3 argb fans

r5 2600 worth like $50 tops now

the zen+ cores are so weak that the r5 2600 loses to the i3-12100 in multicore even

i3-12100 has more than 50% of the single core perf

so it's hard to justify anything higher than $50 for the r5 2600

wait

[earnest olive]

lmao

I thought you meant the US state

then I scrolled up a bit

well then I don't know

r5 2600 single core is roughly on par with intel 4th gen non-K

[mossy venture]

4th gen

jesus

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

zen and zen+ had bad single thread

[sharp temple]

I need help I bought some sleeved cable extensions and I was about to plug them into my GPU when I noticed the 2+6 pcie cable is keyed wierd the 6 pin part fits in but when I look at the +2 the top pin is shaped like a trapezoid and the bottom one is as well but on the GPU the top is a trapezoid and the bottom is a square. what do i do

am i able to just plug it in?

@fossil cedar

@stoic island

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[fossil cedar]

That's normal

[obsidian wigeon]

It's 6+2

[fossil cedar]

Also stop pinging prop

[obsidian wigeon]

So 8 pins

[fossil cedar]

Put the +2 pin in under the 6 pin bit

[obsidian wigeon]

I have something like that too on my rig

[sharp temple]

But the one thats keyed a trapezoid is not keyed a trapezoid on the gpu

its a square, is it ok?

[fossil cedar]

You have the +2 pin on the wrong side then

It'll only go in 1 way

From the pic, flip the 2 pin and it goes on the right hand side

6 pin goes on left

[sharp temple]

ok the 6 pin is all the way to the left and the only 2 pins left are the trap and the square

and the +2 is a trap and trap

is it ok to put the trap into the square?

[obsidian wigeon]

No

You'll likely short it if you do try to do that

[fossil cedar]

Wait what

Send a pic of the 6 pin

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[fossil cedar]

Also you'll need to put the 2 pin in first

Like ik it seems obvious but just match the shapes lol

It can only be a max of 2 ways

[fossil cedar]

4 technically because the connecters can be upside down

Can't see crap

That's all circles xD

[vague oracle]

Bruh this is actually hilarious https://www.amazon.com/JZYMOD-EPS12V-Female-Supply-Extension/dp/B093Q3HZCM

Like what’s even the point of this

[jagged ember]

where's the 2 pin that comes with it

[fossil cedar]

On your gpu is the latch on the bottom or top?

[sharp temple]

bottom

[fossil cedar]

If your power supply only had 8 pins but your board needed a 4 pin?

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[vague oracle]

But don’t the CPU cables split into a 4+4?

[obsidian wigeon]

Not always

iirc

[jagged ember]

cause to me it looks like TNT is plugging a 6pin cable into a 8 pin gpu slot

am I missing something or

[fossil cedar]

It's a 6+2 pin

[jagged ember]

okay, gotcha

[fossil cedar]

@sharp temple can you send a clearer pic of the 2 pin?

[obsidian wigeon]

pic for ants

jk

[sharp temple]

Sorry

[obsidian wigeon]

but that's clear enough

[sharp temple]

I got these extensions from microcenter

[obsidian wigeon]

Um, what psu do you have?

[sharp temple]

ARESGAME AGK 850

[obsidian wigeon]

What kinda extension are you using?

I don't think you need an extension on that psu tbh, it should already have 8 pin gpu cable

[sharp temple]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/606212/micro-connectors-premium-sleeved-psu-cable-extension-kit-black

it does but I wanted it to look nicer

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

Fair enough

[sharp temple]

not have the pigtail

[fossil cedar]

Maybe you got a faulty one idk

[sharp temple]

One person also said it doesnt fit the gpu...

[fossil cedar]

Can you give side by side pics with preferably better quality

[sharp temple]

):

[fossil cedar]

But yeah i think bad extensions

[earnest olive]

yeah. in some games you will see i7-4790K beat r5 2600

[sharp temple]

Best I got 4 u

WAIT THE Other cables have the same thing

...

So it must be ok right?

????

Anyone?

[fossil cedar]

It looks like it should fit

Don't force anything in thk

[sharp temple]

yeah, it went in fine about to boot

WORKED!!!!!!

[native dew]

Yo so like

[jagged ember]

what is that link? why does it link to gamestop?

[earnest olive]

@native dew can you post a less suspicious link lol

[native dew]

MSI PRO Z690-A WiFi DDR4... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GLC1SS4?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[analog pulsar]

bc gamestop the bomb

[obsidian wigeon]

the mobo is decent

[native dew]

I was asking how to get wifi bc I put in the antennas but windows settings still can’t find any wifi networks

[fossil cedar]

Might need to get the drivers from the motherboard website support page

[obsidian wigeon]

oh lol

ye

Get to msi site

[fossil cedar]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-WIFI-DDR4/support#driver

[native dew]

Which driver do I download

[ripe spear]

The one's that is up to date

[last topaz]

Hello

[fossil cedar]

The one for the right version of Windows, lan drivers

[strong raft]

The one that says wifi, not simply "LAN".

Ok it's under LAN drivers but yeah:

[native dew]

So do I download it to a usb

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[native dew]

K, just plugged it into the pc. What next

[strong raft]

Install it?

[dense palm]

Think my comp's average temp is around 30 C for cpu and 50 C for GPU

[mossy venture]

idle?

[dense palm]

was playing cities skyline

[mossy venture]

ah

so basically

[obsidian wigeon]

that's perfectly gud

[dense palm]

Well I might do a stress test

with one of those programs

[mossy venture]

whats the prime thing thats good for that?

prime 63?

[obsidian wigeon]

prime 95

[mossy venture]

was gonna say 93 originally

close enough

[dense palm]

any good stress test programs you guys would recommend?

[mossy venture]

prime 95 is good for checking temps/stability and such

[obsidian wigeon]

just run p95 small ffts

[dense palm]

I see

[obsidian wigeon]

it's unrealistic workload

[mossy venture]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

but it does bring out the worst case scenario

good for ocing cpu

[mossy venture]

youll never hit that high temps during it, so if those are below throttle points, youre more than fine

and with a 12400 on a 240mm aio, i doubt itll hit 80c in the test

[dense palm]

uh

no aio

using arctic 34 esports duo

[mossy venture]

oh wait you got the esports cooler right?

[dense palm]

and 2 140mm top exhuast

[mossy venture]

yeah, still youll be more than fine in the test

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

no back exhaust?

[dense palm]

with 120 mm back exhuast

[mossy venture]

oh ok

[dense palm]

i pointed the cpu fan upward

so the airflow is that direction

[mossy venture]

?

isnt the fan supposed to be on the right side of the tower when looking at the pc foxy?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah, generally

unless the case has bottom intake setup i suppose

[dense palm]

the arctic

I used this method

[mossy venture]

that looks like its sucking hot air from the gpu

[dense palm]

welp

[obsidian wigeon]

doing that would just suck hot air from gpu

[dense palm]

guess I might have to redo this thing

smh

[mossy venture]

can it not be mounted a different way?

[dense palm]

I can

[obsidian wigeon]

it could be

[mossy venture]

id have the fan pulling air from the front of the case

[dense palm]

but will have to take out the whole thing again

[obsidian wigeon]

no, just the cooler

[mossy venture]

i mean, heatsink remount isnt terribly hard

[dense palm]

the fans are the bad part

since they use metal wires to hold it in place

[mossy venture]

i did it with the gpu and ram in my sytem without having done anything else to a pc before

[mossy venture]

i also dropped a screw driver on my mobo 3 times while doing so, but we dont talk about that

[dense palm]

pulling those wire is pain

[mossy venture]

ahh

[dense palm]

Unless I reach super crazy temps

I will keep this until I decide to swap

[obsidian wigeon]

how did that not kill it lmao

[mossy venture]

pure skill

[dense palm]

took me like 30 min to 1 hour installing the fan

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess it kept on landing on the safe parts

not the sharp metal part

[dense palm]

since I had to remove stuff here and there

[mossy venture]

yeah it was the plastic part of the screw driver that hit the mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

if the sharp part hits it

well

[mossy venture]

still would not recommend

[dense palm]

rip

[obsidian wigeon]

rip that mobo

thank physics god for that

[mossy venture]

the backplate kept moving when i was trying to get the screws in

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[dense palm]

Maybe in couple months I will change the orientation

I dont want to do it atm

[mossy venture]

i mean, if temps are fine then theyre fine

[obsidian wigeon]

i gotta clean the bottom part of my case's intake

but im lazy

the psu is like kinda choked for air

[mossy venture]

i have to replace one of my gpu fans

but i also plan on going for a 4080, so maybe ill just take like $50 off the price i would sell it for and make it someone elses problem

[obsidian wigeon]

it's as easy as taking side panel off and just clean the front from there

[dense palm]

maybe I will get AIO later

[obsidian wigeon]

taking off front panel on this thing is risky af

[dense palm]

or something

[mossy venture]

aio is super unneeded for a 12400

[obsidian wigeon]

i can easily break plastic tabs

[mossy venture]

aio isnt needed till youre ocing a 12600k

[jagged ember]

12400 won't ever need an aio

[dense palm]

i guess

[mossy venture]

even 12700 is fine on an ak620

[dense palm]

the only reason I would need it is

for cable management

[jagged ember]

there's more cables on an aio than on an air cooler

[mossy venture]

i really want to buy the clc 280 rn at $62, but i wont be able to use it till i rebuild later this year

[jagged ember]

there's the tubes

the fan cable and the pump cable

[mossy venture]

and i might not even need a new cooler, might be able to keep my se-224xt for a 13400

[jagged ember]

maybe usb and rgb cable

[dense palm]

oh well then

[jagged ember]

air cooler literally just has fan and maybe rgb

[dense palm]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[jagged ember]

if you've got money burning a hole in your pocket for an aio on a 12400 though

i guess

[dense palm]

Well if it isn't needed

[obsidian wigeon]

i like how my case has a power button that's just well, a button

[mossy venture]

mine is just as bad

[dense palm]

no need to get it

[obsidian wigeon]

not a whole module with usb and such

[dense palm]

glad I am not the only one then

[mossy venture]

well below my gpu its just as bad

[dense palm]

🤝

[mossy venture]

the top half of my cable management is alright

[obsidian wigeon]

i have to take the button out too if i want to get the front off