building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

I don't think you have the right pins for the LEDs, they're optional anyway

[tranquil tree]

Oki

[cyan plaza]

i really wish they fix that front stuff so it's all the same at lest..

[potent portal]

And I'd say put the 3 pin on pump/fan and it'll complain if it's wrong

[tranquil tree]

Does the way the power switch header goes on matter or

[potent portal]

Nah all a button does is let power flow while you press it

[tranquil tree]

Same place the old aio was connected so I assumed it was the right one

Okay

[potent portal]

Makes sense

[tranquil tree]

Also, I found another 9 pin on the led/fan control. Should connect to led for aio?

[potent portal]

If it was one of the LED cables, positive/negative matter

[tranquil tree]

Then fan headers, lc_fan, sys fan, f_fan, n I think that's it

[potent portal]

I was looking at a pic I found trying to figure out what that top left header is, it's hard to see. Below the sys_fan header by the cpu 4+4 power.

[tranquil tree]

Yeah

[potent portal]

Was that the audio header you found?

[tranquil tree]

The front radiator fans should connect to front fan right

[potent portal]

Yes

[cyan plaza]

i don't even underetsand why they made the pled separate cable spots

[tranquil tree]

There's a splitter so ima do that rq

Okay, micro USB to 9 pin for the aio, can that connect to the 9 pin on the light controller

Oh wait that should prolly go there huh

[potent portal]

It looks like that old controller connects by sata?

[tranquil tree]

No.....I just answered my own question. It connects by 9 pin

[potent portal]

ah

[tranquil tree]

What is lc fan and sys fan

I have the 2 exhaust fans left

I just disconnected the old light controller since there's no lights in this case and just connected the aio light

[potent portal]

I'm guessing "liquid cooler" fan and system fan

[tranquil tree]

Ohhhhhh

There's n-

Should I connect the radi fans to lc fan

[frigid night]

Hm. Is that for like his mb? Because I don't have anything hooked to my cpu fan header and I don't get any errors.

[potent portal]

If you want

[tranquil tree]

Would it be better than connected to fromt fan?

[potent portal]

Apparently it doesn't even have a designated cpu fan header

[frigid night]

Oh.

[tranquil tree]

It bulllll

[potent portal]

Technically no

It doesn't matter

[frigid night]

Idk much about this stuff, but that seems really odd?

[tranquil tree]

Takes omen case back and returns it for 1800

Just the case tho

Maybe mobo

Now that I realize I'm in the pc about 2200$ I could've built something really nice for cheaper

Man now am sad

[potent portal]

"It arrived like this"

[tranquil tree]

Pre-built- 1800
Aio - 150
Ram - 130
Case - 100

2130$ 😭

[frigid night]

[potent portal]

That's a 3080 build rn

[tranquil tree]

I'm actually gonna commit self arson

[frigid night]

I browsed prebuilts for days before I realized building pc would be better/cheaper

Even though I've spent well over the original budget I had for the prebuilt.

[tranquil tree]

Lowkey might put it all back and return and build one since I have good case as base

Anyways

[frigid night]

Originally was about 1400.. now I'm 3000 deep without the gpu I want.. yet..

[potent portal]

Yeah you could just reuse the parts you bought and return the prebuilt

[tranquil tree]

Connect rad fans to lc fan, what abt the exhaust fans

[potent portal]

sys fan

[tranquil tree]

There's 2 fans and 1 header. No splitter

[potent portal]

There's another header by the memory

[frigid night]

Yeah. If you can totally go without a pc for however long.. I myself would return the prebuild and build your own.

[tranquil tree]

But I do really like this pc and they don't have 3060s in stock. Max they have is 2080 super or 6600xt

6600xt is 520$

[frigid night]

Hm. Gpus get posted in tech deals all the time.

[tranquil tree]

Ngl I paid for convenience of not having to download windows or mess w bios ect

[frigid night]

For usually good prices.

[potent portal]

You must not be in the US if you're still having trouble finding stuff

[tranquil tree]

I am in the us

I got all this from best buy minus case

2400 for the pc, 27 curved moni, kb mouse mousepad wireless headphones and controller

[frigid night]

Ah. All my stuff came from newegg/amazon.

[tranquil tree]

Oh. And the 280mm aio and 32gb corsair ram

[potent portal]

3 second search, there's better deals I'm sure https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3897-KL

Eh, ventus 3x is cheaper but also trash

[tranquil tree]

What if

[potent portal]

So yeah that's the cheapest 3080 I can find currently, and it's in stock regularly

[tranquil tree]

Replace mobo and psu in case, return, buy mobo and psu for less than 300$ and boom magic

I'm gonna cry

[frigid night]

Idk if you can get a good psu/mobo for 300

[potent portal]

You totally can

[frigid night]

Awesome.

Something that'll run a 3080?

[tranquil tree]

3060ti*

I'm gonna keep gpu lmfao

[frigid night]

Idk. I jumped on a chance to grab a 1kw psu for like 120 after sale+rebate.

[tranquil tree]

Should I be able to run the leds off a sata port? Either new ones or old

Wait

[potent portal]

Not trying to make you feel worse but... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KszYd9

[tranquil tree]

Much much prefer amd

Fal

If the new rgb controller can run off sata and connects to the fans. Does it need to connect to the mobo?

[potent portal]

It connects to sata power, not the data

[tranquil tree]

Hm

Does it need the data? It has a controller and the fans are rgb, shouldn't it work similar to like led strip lights? Controller, remote n power

[strong raft]

Sata data cables are for drives!

[tranquil tree]

I'm gonna try

Sata also provide power

[strong raft]

no i'm saying wdym by "data"?

[tranquil tree]

Fal, everything should be hooked up correct, right?

[potent portal]

Sata data is a separate cable

[tranquil tree]

Data for rgb from mobo

OH wifi antenna 1 sec

[potent portal]

There's no spot for that separate cable on that fan hub

[strong raft]

Ignore the Data completely. gonna just consider that was a typo, lol. Easiest way to acknowledge.

[frigid night]

I don't get why a board made specifically for 12th gen needs a bios update out if the box to run the cpu it was made to run with..

[potent portal]

It doesn't, pcpp is being stupid

[frigid night]

Ah

[potent portal]

Like if you go to the cpu compatibility page on the B660 boards they'll literally say "supported since: ALL" next to every CPU except 12900KS

[frigid night]

Oh

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q46spH

[frigid night]

But current intel is amazing.

:P

[potent portal]

I've stopped arguing that lol. Though that is true.

I'm super excited to see what both red and blue have to offer at the end of the year though

[frigid night]

I hope 13th gen goes hard.

[potent portal]

Supposedly DDR5 only, and it should do much better speeds

And a chance every 13th gen CPU will have e-cores

[strong raft]

13gen isn't ddr5 only if you slap it into a current 600 series mobo.

[potent portal]

Right, I mean when paired with the 700 series boards it's meant for. It'll still have the DDR4 IMC.

[tranquil tree]

So like 500$ if I return the pc and it'll be badass assuming I keep ssd gpu and cpu

What if

[strong raft]

Well of course Fal. Will be great how 13gen can really us how ddr4 and good semi-mature ddr5 is, even if it's when comparing ram using 2 mobos.

[tranquil tree]

I keep cpu but even tho I don't wana, return gpu and get a 6600xt, that way less sus, and then just mobo and psu and I have good pc for pretty budget

How big is the jump between 6500xt and 6600xt?

[potent portal]

Do not even consider a 6500XT

It's that bad

[tranquil tree]

Oh

2080 super vs 6600xt?

[potent portal]

2080 super

[tranquil tree]

2080 super being the best out of what I can get for sub 50p$ gpu?

500&*

&*

$*

[potent portal]

6700XT has been around $500

[tranquil tree]

1 sec

Oh

That'd be a good similar to 3060ti?

Cause I stream wz

[potent portal]

For streaming you'll want nvidia to use the nvenc encoder

[tranquil tree]

*pc is all back together but I'm debating startingnit

[frigid night]

So will work for with my z690 ddr4?

[tranquil tree]

Wait

[potent portal]

Yes, Z690 should only need a bios update to support 13th gen

[tranquil tree]

Fal, everything u said I needed to put where I did. So it should work right?

I'm abt to plug it in

[potent portal]

It should work yes, go for it

[frigid night]

Sweet

I don't want to upgrade to ddr5 atm with how much it costs.

[tranquil tree]

Looking good so far

[frigid night]

Plus.. I did just upgrade from ddr0 to ddr4 2 months ago soo thats too soon for an upgrade.

[tranquil tree]

AYYY OH MY GOD IT WORKED

Hm aio light isn't coming on

[potent portal]

Sweet!
I'm off to bed, good luck

[frigid night]

Goodnight

[tranquil tree]

Uh

How fix aio light doe

[frigid night]

What aio do you have?

[tranquil tree]

Kraken x63

1 sec might be a app

[strong raft]

well 13gen on z690 is great, but we'll have to wait and see how big of an upgrade it actually is. afaik Intel is mainly just adding more Ecores to most cpus, which helps depending on what the use case is.

[tranquil tree]

Nope not an app issue

Huh

[frigid night]

Atm, I'm just gaming/internet/discord. I would love to start using all the gaming design programs I got with the Ukraine humble bundle.

But.. I want to have a super beefy pc so I can have it last me a long time.

Id like to possibly even get into like CAD and whatever else I'd need to start using a 3d printer.

[tranquil tree]

It needs a 3rd party rgb header for the infinity mirror to work

Sad

Now I lowkey just wasted money

Sheit cpu temp is at 28c tho

[frigid night]

Nice

[tranquil tree]

And fans at 100% speed are soooooo much quieter

75% speed barely audible

Their all stock nzxt fans too

Now im on the pc

fancy everything still works

makes me happy tysm @potent portal <3333

This mobo is astetically pleasing, opinion?

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-B550-PRO-ProSeries-Motherboard/dp/B089CZSQB4/ref

[frigid night]

So you are aware.. we like it when you shorten links. You can delete everything after the "ref" in the link and it'll still take us to the web page.

[tranquil tree]

oh

I didnt know that

[frigid night]

No problem.

[tranquil tree]

WOAH

wild

ty

[frigid night]

:)

[tranquil tree]

Opinion on mobo tho? 6700xt or 3060ti and 5800x

[frigid night]

Idk much about mobos other than the different 12th gen z690 mobos

[tranquil tree]

Oh

Funky

Ill ask Fal or Floppa den

[frigid night]

I do think however that if you are sending the prebuild back.. that going with the list falcie posted would be a good idea. Its get you a 3080 and keep you in the budget you spent in the prebuilt.

[tranquil tree]

A 3080 would be nice but imo overkill

I think at most a 6700xt or 3060ti is good for me tbh

[frigid night]

It might be overkill now, but in the future when games start requiring more and more to run, then it'd keep you from having to upgrade as soon.

[tranquil tree]

cause I do stream but rarely, mostly just record in the background for tiktok/yt, but that still uses nothing compared to the games

I run wz on high, recording in the background at around 90-120fps rn, on this setup, which do be plenty for me

[frigid night]

Ah ok.

[tranquil tree]

ngl went from a crappy intg graphics am7000? and 4gb ram tot his

to this*

core 2 duo and 4gb ddr3

[frigid night]

So huge upgrade for you anyways :P

[tranquil tree]

oh yeah

the other thing im not sure abt returning the prebuilt is I did the lease to own option at best buy because im broke and cant save money but I can afford the payments, and didnt want to have to setup bios and windows ect cause this is the only pc I have rn, thats why i went w a prebuilt

original one I wanted was a r5 5600x and 6700xt but they didnt have one in stock, that one was about 1400 but this was the only closest in stock, they gave me a discount down to 1400-1500 instead of 1800

[fossil cedar]

Np

[frigid night]

Setting up bios is pretty straightforward for enabling xmp on a diy build. Otherwise installing windows is super simple. I assume you had to update windows on your prebuilt anyways right?

[tranquil tree]

Yeah, with a new build dont you need a windows stick? aka windows on a usb drive?

[frigid night]

Yeah. Which you could easily download and put on a USB stick before you send the prebuilt back in.

[tranquil tree]

True

I didnt have a pc before this for awhile, and the bring home and it work was what kinda sold me over building even tho itd have been cheaper and better

thinking 5800x, 32gb 3600mhz corsair, b550, 510 case, 6700xt, 1tb m.2 and I should be muy bueno

Alr have aio ram and case

[frigid night]

That's understandable. That is what I wanted too, however.. the cheaper cost and upgradeability of a diy build overtook that prebuilt ready to go want.

[tranquil tree]

Oh, 750w psu too

Yeah I turned 18 the day before and had been waiting for like 2 weeks so I just wanted a pc asap

Wasnt really thinking of the cheaper building side of pcs

[frigid night]

Ah gotcha.

Did you go into best buy or did you order online?

[tranquil tree]

walked into best buy, saw this pc. opened every single app on the pc and it didnt even flinch, went up and said I want this one and walked out with 2400$ of stuff

[frigid night]

Ah gotcha. Ok yeah I can see why you grabbed it.

Was sitting right there. Enticing you. Ready to go.

I probably would have done the same tbh. I however have no pc store near me.

[tranquil tree]

so the pc, AOG 27" curved mon, aerox 3 mouse, huntsman mini kb, razer nari ultimate wireless, x63 aio, 32gb ram, thermal paste, xbox controller and mousepad, all for 2400$. full setup babey

I wanted a steering wheel/pedal set but the 400$ more expenive pc was the only one they had in stock so I was like meh

I hate things being shipped to my house, cause when the 3070's n such just came out I got a r9 5900x 3090ti laptop for 2500$ that was stolen off my porch

[frigid night]

Ouch

[tranquil tree]

So they were like we could have this one at your door tomorrow n im like nah, what you have in stock today is what im getting

So yeeeee

[frigid night]

I have a huge lockbox that carriers put my packages in

[tranquil tree]

Ah, nice

Im actually renting a room from someone, but their moving soon and offered me to rent the entire house from them so im gonna make something like that once they move out

[frigid night]

Basically the lock and key sit open until they deliver a package.. they throw the key in with package and then lock it up. I have other keys to unlock it.

[tranquil tree]

Nice

I was just thinking about how someone would go abt putting a package in it but still locked

thought you might have a combo lock and put the combo in the delivery notes

but thats too easy to steal from if someone sees it

[frigid night]

Thats actually a good idea. I may very well grab a combo lock on my next trip to the store.

[tranquil tree]

break into*

[frigid night]

I suppose, but the only person who should have access is the carrier delivering jt.

[tranquil tree]

But if mail dude is a bit sketchy he can just remember code n come back later n take it

[frigid night]

True.

Can always change codes on a weekly basis or something as well.

[tranquil tree]

How you have it rn is honestly kinda good, other than the key sitting outside and he tosses it in

you trust no one is gonna come buy and steal the key, or mail man doesnt pocket the key, ect

maybe combo lock is a better idea, huh

its 1:30am sorry im rambling

[frigid night]

Its ok. What state you live in? Its 130 for me as well.

[tranquil tree]

Cali

U?

[frigid night]

Idaho

[tranquil tree]

Ah

[frigid night]

All you cali folk are selling your homes for hella $ and moving up here buying houses for hella cheap lol

[tranquil tree]

Not me

just turned 18 trying to afford life atm

let alone my dumbass buying a pc lmaoo

[frigid night]

Million $ home in cali is like a 150k home here lol

[tranquil tree]

Yep

texas has like 150 acres 5 bed home for around 200k rn

thats like, 8-12 mil depending where at

santa rosa/petaluma area? easy 10 mil

I am also going to head off to bed, I bid you adue and I shall see you tomorrow

[frigid night]

Have a good night man.

[strong raft]

Yep that's "rich folk" talk. Not the case for us w/ an average $400K 3bedroom that wouldn't sell until getting a bit of sprucing up, and having a bunch of family in-state counts for a lot. Perhaps someday. Buddy has 2 houses and a "cabin" in Idaho. Went snowmobiling a few times, I like it there.

[frigid night]

Yeah we have a cabin in northernish idaho. I love the scenery. I hate the laws.

[mossy venture]

7xx boards should be ddr5, but 13th gen will run on b6x0 and support ddr4 (again, supposedly)

[strong raft]

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

shhh

let me be original

[strong raft]

haha, Fal Cie and mine messages were so long ago slow poke.

[mossy venture]

i shoulda read two lines down

[frank stirrup]

put his name into google translate

japanese to english

[mossy venture]

thats baka

[frank stirrup]

SAME THING

[frank stirrup]

b(iostar)acca

[strong raft]

(chew)bacca

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gingerbread-man-mean-youre-a-monster-gif-3683679

[frank stirrup]

yes P(GM)ato

i am

https://tenor.com/view/lol-bobs-burgers-louise-evil-laugh-gif-5437628

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/po-dies-dies-of-death-teletubbies-gif-23885910

No wait

https://tenor.com/view/boom-bomb-explosion-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-15429820

[twin berry]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-happy-walking-animated-cute-gif-17659218

[tranquil tree]

@desert gulch

Their all commexted

Commected*

[unborn mesa]

Stealing it

[potent portal]

A Pro is a good model B550

[tranquil tree]

Sweet

And for just recording, 6700xt is okay?

[mossy venture]

id go nvidia if recording

nvenc is very helpful

[potent portal]

Indeed. And the 6700XT is only a little better than 3060 ti

[tranquil tree]

Hm

[mossy venture]

eh. depends on game/use

in some games 3060 ti pulls ahead

[potent portal]

Overall 6700XT wins but anything using ray tracing or designed to work better on nvidia will favor the 3060 ti.

[mossy venture]

mm

[little osprey]

radeeyon

[fossil cedar]

Amd have a pretty decent encoder too and 6700xt is like 80$ cheaper @tranquil tree btw

[desert gulch]

It goes the other way too

Dirt rally series and the new assassin's Creed (Valhalla iirc) is so ridiculously optimized for amd, the 6800 outperforms a 3090

So there's always gonna be outliers

[potent portal]

The entire AC franchise is AMD optimized

[desert gulch]

Yeah but the newer one is way more than previous

[potent portal]

Fair enough

[desert gulch]

I should go tell ppl 6800>3090

And then pull Valhalla benches out to prove myself lmao

[tranquil tree]

So return pc but keep gpu and cpu

[potent portal]

Forza 5 too iirc

[tranquil tree]

:>

I have a new pc coming cause a friend upgraded and im buying it, I think its like a i7 and 3060 or so

[cursive wharf]

RX5500 > 3090Ti cuz bigger number

[fast rock]

hd6350>3090ti

[winter marsh]

Will diving into the used GPU market in a few weeks

[mystic needle]

anyone know why my pc crashes and restarts when i try to go above 60 fps i have a 3080ti and this wasn't a problem until just last week

i have a b550 mobo and 5900x do you think i might need to update my mobo? i've only had a pc for 8 months

so im quite new to it all

[mossy venture]

What game?

Could also update gpu drivers

[fossil cedar]

have you tried DDU'ing and also whats your power supply?

[ripe spear]

Id question on how clean the system is as well as knowing the temps in the system

[desert gulch]

6500xt > 3090

[fossil cedar]

dont forget about the best gpu, 6400

[desert gulch]

Yes

I actually can't talk crap about the 6400 tho tbh

When you look at value, it's still bad, but 6500xt is worse. Plus 6400 actually had a point, and that's a budget lp card

[ripe spear]

6400 is slightly weaker than the 570

[potent portal]

Radeon 5770 > RX 5700XT

[ripe spear]

But still a good overall card in my opinion

[mystic needle]

yup tried everything i have a 850w PSU but all my games have been able to run at 170hz before so idk why it barely started

[desert gulch]

Man the Radeon Vega VII gets beat by the first Nvidia card

[fossil cedar]

its happening when any game is going over 60fps? and what model PSU

[desert gulch]

Look in nvcp

[winter marsh]

I was looking at two used Asus RTX 2080 Ti

[desert gulch]

Probs a frame rate cap

[fossil cedar]

nah they say it crashes at anything above 60fps

[desert gulch]

Ah crashes ok

I thought it just wouldn't run it

[fossil cedar]

dont buy 2 cards sli is dead

[ripe spear]

You should ask about the condition of his system and his temps since he did have that system for 8 months now

[mystic needle]

yes every game including games with the epic games launcher just tried rocket league today and also doom but no mans sky and ror2 have been the first ones i noticed, its a corsair rm 850x 80+ gold

[fossil cedar]

unless they changed something temps good 8 months ago should be good now, and i was eliminating the more probable causes first

[fossil cedar]

i would try DDU, heres a guide https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[ripe spear]

Well just saying that we don't know his living conditions and if the system has sucked up a lot of dust and such that is why i tend to wonder the systems condition and temps when a PC would crash

[mystic needle]

i believe im around 60-75 celsius for both cpu and gpu when at max load in OCCT

[fossil cedar]

not temps then

[mystic needle]

i already tried DDUing and it didnt fix the issue

my games usually crash after playing at 170 fps for 5-10 mins

also the games dont just close it's the whole pc that resets and i get a blue screen

[potent portal]

Could try repairing Windows https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/releases/tag/v12

[fossil cedar]

and to confirm, you are not using daisy chain cables for your gpu?

[ripe spear]

Just curious but what OS are you using?

[mystic needle]

but the blue screen lasts a split second

windows 10

[desert gulch]

Any overclocks?

[potent portal]

Ah right I was helping you earlier, you tried the Windows repairs

Also TM5 was good

And OCCT GPU tests

[mystic needle]

yes me and fal did most of the tests

[mystic needle]

none

[ripe spear]

I wonder what the windows error code he gets when it blue screens

Oh look i ranked up lol

[potent portal]

You could disable the auto restart on blue screen so you can see the error

[mystic needle]

also my gpu has 3 8pin connectors needed and i connected 2 8pin connectors to the PSU but one of them im pretty sure is a daisy chain

[fossil cedar]

that shouldnt be an issue then

[mystic needle]

ill try that👍

[potent portal]

Go to Settings, About, Advanced System Settings

Make sure it's set to at least a kernel memory dump while you're there

[ripe spear]

Isn't there like a log when you get back into windows to find out what error happened?

[potent portal]

If it's not crashing properly then the event won't get written

"Crashing properly" is a weird thing to say I know, but accurate

[ripe spear]

I haven't gotten a blue screen since Windows XP so i didn't know if there was a log or not

[mystic needle]

okay time to crash my pc😎

[ripe spear]

You could look in the event viewer first

[potent portal]

You could but the event won't be there. It'll just say system shut down unexpectedly.

[ripe spear]

Well you would have to create a custom viewer to see errors in the logs

[mystic needle]

weird it’s stuck like this and the 0% wont go up

[potent portal]

Aha, WHEA error

[mystic needle]

it’s been like this for 2 mins should i reset the pc now?

[potent portal]

Yeah if it's not going past 0% it's not writing logs properly

Restart it

WHEAs are actually pretty easy to fix

Assuming the CPU itself is fine

[mystic needle]

i hope so🥲

[potent portal]

You were on Ryzen right?

[mystic needle]

yup 5900x

[ripe spear]

It could be his memory then

[potent portal]

Ok, what memory kit do you have?

[potent portal]

Memory passed testing, it's the fclk that throws WHEA errors

[desert gulch]

Yeah you guys tm5'ed it right?

[potent portal]

Yep

[mystic needle]

yup

[desert gulch]

Good

[mystic needle]

i have gskill trident z neos

and they’re ddr4 16 Gb 3600

dual channel

[potent portal]

Ok, so adjusting a few voltages in bios should fix the issue

Set your vsoc to 1.05V
VDDP to 1.0V

Both VDDG to 1.05V

[mystic needle]

here?

idk why it’s at 1.350 maybe i accidentally clicked something, but my bios settings always don’t save each time i boot my pc.

[potent portal]

Scroll up, it's the ones above that

Not the DRAM ones

[earnest olive]

ah, vddp/vddg voltages

fun fun

i was just tuning mine today instead of studying

did you check if the WHEA is ID 18 or 19?

this is what i landed on for 0 whea stability at 1900 fclk gdm off

[potent portal]

It's not writing crash dumps properly

[potent portal]

This is all we got

[earnest olive]

idk, i still see whea events in event viewer and the bsod doesn't show up

it just instantly reboots on whea 18

fclk at 1800 xmp with SR dimms being THIS unstable sounds kind of unlikely

worth checking

could be faulty cpu triggering whea 18

restarting when going above 60 fps

going above 60 fps represents a higher cpu load

it's possible..

[potent portal]

Yeah but the weird thing is it's passing CPU tests too

[ripe spear]

So what do you think of the Pentium Gold G6405 paired with a RX 6400?

Mainly planning on building a ITX system for games like Kingdom Hearts and other non super demanding games

[mystic needle]

is this correct?

[potent portal]

Dual core processors have trouble running a browser these days

[earnest olive]

interesting

[ripe spear]

Well 2 cores and 4 threads

[earnest olive]

then i guess the board is just that stupid at auto imc voltages

[earnest olive]

the i3-12100 barely costs more

[potent portal]

Yes

[earnest olive]

why not spare yourself the pain of using a dual core in 2022

[earnest olive]

ehhh, depends

[ripe spear]

My main system is a i5 11400 with a 3060 Ti

[earnest olive]

and?

that just makes it even worse

you're used to something decent

[ripe spear]

Also a 12100 costs a lot in Canada

[earnest olive]

and now you want to hurt yourself with a dual core

i mean if you really hate yourself that much go for it

but you asked for opinions

[potent portal]

Since that's a LGA1200 processor the comparable option would be the 10100f

[earnest olive]

nobody here is going to recommend you build a new dual core system in 2022

[earnest olive]

must go at least 11th gen

don't put an rx 6400 on pcie 3 💀

[desert gulch]

If you run pcie 3 with a 6400, wouldn't a 5600g igp not be too far off?

[earnest olive]

oh wait that's a 10th gen pentium

oh god

[potent portal]

Exactly

[earnest olive]

i don't remember pentium naming schemes i thought we were talking 12th gen

[fossil cedar]

Is your budget that low?

[ripe spear]

12th gen is LGA 1700

[earnest olive]

yes but the pentium you mentioned is 10th gen

lol

10th gen pentium + pcie 3.0 + rx 6400...

[fossil cedar]

Go 10100 instead of pentium

[earnest olive]

just how much do you want to suffer?

no

absolutely do not go 10100

AAAA

[fossil cedar]

If its cheaper lol

[potent portal]

It's also 56 cad + 25 cad shipping for a 10th gen pentium ☠️

[earnest olive]

pato

you're advocating for rx 6400 + pcie 3

stop

[ripe spear]

My budget isn't low but i am mainly building a back up system to play non demanding games on it really and also it would be Linux based

[fossil cedar]

Nono I'd also change gpu lol

[earnest olive]

okay good

i would have to slap you if you were recommending rx 6400 on pcie 3

[potent portal]

Yeah 1650 would be better in that case

[earnest olive]

okay no

it would be awful but let's not exaggerate that much

remember the igp is limited to 2gb ddr4

rx 6400 on pcie 3 is still almost as good as a low end graphics card from 6 years ago

seems legit

[earnest olive]

can you find any used ryzen 3 3100s?

probably the cheapest pcie 4.0 option if you have to go rx 6400

i don't know how bad the used gpu market is in canada

in the US i'd say skip the rx 6400 and buy a used gtx 1060

[ripe spear]

Ya no one is really selling a used 3100 in my area and i do try to buy locally when i buy used

[earnest olive]

if you can find a gtx 1060 then processor matters less

[ripe spear]

Also 3100 would still be Gen3 if i recall

[earnest olive]

i3-10100 + gtx 1060 is a great pairing

no

ryzen 3 3100 = pcie 4
ryzen 3 4100 = pcie 3

thank you amd

[potent portal]

4000 was a cursed gen

[earnest olive]

ryzen 3 4100 is weaker than the ryzen 3 3100 just like i expected

and at the same launch price 2 years later

idk how amd can justify that

[potent portal]

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-3-3100-and-3300x-review,3.html

[earnest olive]

not like cpus are in that high demand

ryzen 3 4100 should have been a $50 pentium competitor

ryzen 5 4500 should have been a $80 i3 competitor

ryzen 5 5500 should have been a $110 i3 competitor too

at least ryzen 5 5600 is a proper i5 competitor

[mystic needle]

happened again after 10 mins i was playing no mans sky

[earnest olive]

try 1.1 vsoc

[mystic needle]

i honestly think it could be a hardware issue

[earnest olive]

and 1.05 cldo vddp

[mystic needle]

okay i’ll try that👍

[earnest olive]

these are the voltages i need for my 1900 fclk manual oc

for reference

[fossil cedar]

@ripe spear I'd do something like this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Wqj2xs

Literally same price as 6400

[earnest olive]

you could try these too but it's (hopefully) higher than you need for 1800 gdm on

[ripe spear]

I already have a spare 600w PSU that i am not using and a 256gb NVMe drive i am also not using

Also i bought the 6400 already and i got it for 175$ 😆

[earnest olive]

then use the rest of the list and you're fine

[fossil cedar]

You can't use a regular psu in an itx case

[ripe spear]

I know i have a SFX

[fossil cedar]

Ahh okey

[ripe spear]

Also i was thinking of going for this case originally https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16811553020?Item=N82E16811553020

[earnest olive]

looks fine

just don't cheap out and get a 10th gen pentium

you will regret it

[ripe spear]

The only reason why i wasn't aiming for a i3 as well is because Kingdom Hearts 1.5 &2.5 HD isn't that demanding at all

I was thinking of originally putting it with a 1650 but my local shop had no more in stock

[earnest olive]

getting a pcie 3.0 cpu instantly cripples your gpu by like 20%

if you ever decide to do anything else with the system

it's going to be significantly worse at that

and that's even before mentioning the fact that it's a dual core... in 2022

[ripe spear]

Ya but shouldn't the 4 threads make a difference though?

[earnest olive]

barely

a thread isn't the same thing as a physical core

[ripe spear]

Just a curious though but would the MinisForum Elitemini B550 be a good system?

It is a mini PC that has a GPU dock

[potent portal]

Reminds me of the Intel NUC

[earnest olive]

you'd be spending more than pato's 12100 list on it

and would have to wait for it since it's on preorder

[ripe spear]

Saw that video on RandomGaminginHD's video which looks alright and all but he paired it with a 3080 Ti though

So it is hard to know how it would perform with weaker GPU's

[earnest olive]

just go for the i3 if you're looking at this

[cursive wharf]

AMD fanbois

[earnest olive]

lol even AMD fanboys are pissed off at AMD

so many people complained about 6500xt/6400/r5 5500 etc. on r/amd

[potent portal]

Yeah, can't believe they let that one slip past. Gen 3.0 only on a low end... with a low end GPU that only is "good" on 4.0

[mystic needle]

unfortunately changing the voltages doesn’t fix the issue

[mossy venture]

What ram is it?

I blue screened when I had four sticks of ram that had two different dies

Didn't stop till I took a kit out

[potent portal]

It's a matched kit, 2x8gb Trident Z neo 3600

[mystic needle]

16GB gskill trident z’s

yess

[earnest olive]

alright, i'm sure you're tired of this by now but as a last resort let's try setting vsoc to 1.15V LLC level 1, CLDO VDDP to 1.1V, VDDG CCD to 1.050V, VDDG IOD to 1.050V, make sure Gear Down Mode is set to Enabled, make sure Power Down Mode is set to disabled, and increase DRAM voltage to 1.38V

[mossy venture]

Ah

[earnest olive]

my asrock b550 sometimes has vdimm droop a little from what it's set to

it's possible that your 1.35V XMP is occasionally drooping to 1.34V and crashing?

if it still crashes after everything i said then something's definitely wrong with hardware

[potent portal]

That could be a possiblity, especially since when the system is under gaming load it's using more power and it might droop more

[earnest olive]

i still see slight vsoc droop with LLC level 1 as well

1.1125V droops down to 1.1063V

[potent portal]

Oddly enough my MSI board goes above set voltage

I set 1.52V and I get 1.55V under load

[earnest olive]

i have 1.53V DRAM set rn

could be bad reporting or could be the board just not holding 1.53 perfectly

w/e

[little osprey]

yo i have a old pc with a 10400f and a 1660 super how much should i sell it for

[mystic needle]

so i changed the setting and it lasted longer before crashing again , what component could be the issue?

[earnest olive]

if you still got crashes with settings like that then something is faulty for sure

I run a much heavier manual oc with lower voltages than that

hard to say what it is

you said mem tests passed?

[mystic needle]

yes

[earnest olive]

did you run mem test with hwinfo open and view whea count?

and what mem test did you use

[desert gulch]

Fal guided thru tm5

[earnest olive]

which config

[mystic needle]

im pretty sure it was antaextreme777

[earnest olive]

okay

did you view wheas in hwinfo

[mystic needle]

idk how to do that🥲

i have hwinfo

[earnest olive]

try running occt vram stress test + prime95 large ffts avx2 + audio playback for an hour while having hwinfo open

if you open hwinfo in sensor mode it'll show wheas at the bottom

[earnest olive]

this is basically the ultimate fclk stability test

i've never heard of a zen 3 cpu that can't do 1800 fclk with manual set voltages and single rank dimms

but it's theoretically possible

since the guaranteed speed is only 1600

[mystic needle]

total errors 0 it doesn’t show errors correctly idk why

[earnest olive]

it only logs while it's open

[mystic needle]

oooo

[earnest olive]

what board do you have? i know it's taichi but what chipset

if you just upgraded on an x370 board that could be the culprit

[mystic needle]

B550

[earnest olive]

b550 shouldn't have an issue with 3600 mt/s ram

[mystic needle]

yeah it’s really weird

[earnest olive]

just run the test i told you to run for an hour, if it crashes it should be your cpu's fault

also, tm5 extreme1 is not foolproof, although it should be good enough for xmp

no such thing as a single foolproof test

[desert gulch]

icue

[earnest olive]

[desert gulch]

Have you seen the absolut config for tm5?

It's supposed to be decent, but I haven't tried it yet

Altho extreme1 is good for sure too yea

[mystic needle]

i do want to mention that the issues started not long after i downloaded a mod for no mans sky from nexus mods it had me go into the common file in steam and change stuff idk if it’s just a coincidence but i just wanna note that in case that did anything

[earnest olive]

yes

right now i think pcbdestroyer > absolut ~ extreme1

i run all 3

[desert gulch]

Fair

[earnest olive]

plus some other tests outside of tm5

[earnest olive]

nothing you change in OS should be able to cause WHEA uncorrectable errors

unless you're overclocking in OS (please don't do this)

[mystic needle]

yeah i don’t do that haha

what is prime 95

[stoic island]

harsh test

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-flames-burning-on-fire-gif-17475635

POV: You're a CPU running P95

[mystic needle]

warm and cozy

[desert gulch]

You would know about that, mr. Single ccx owner, wouldn't you?

[potent portal]

With a 240mm AIO even

[mystic needle]

Celsius

[earnest olive]

prime95 large ffts is not as heavy on the cpu as small ffts

[mystic needle]

wait so i need to put any background sound?

[earnest olive]

but it's better for stressing IMC

yeah

[mystic needle]

like youtube is fine? i thought i couldnt do anything when testing

[potent portal]

You know OCCT just has a power test right?

[earnest olive]

yeah, I've gotten audio crackling as a sign of a slightly unstable imc/iod

[earnest olive]

you know this isn't about power draw right

[mystic needle]

when i was playing nms i heard the sound cutting off and on until it crashed after 10 mins

[earnest olive]

if it was about power draw I'd say small ffts + furmark or occt power

[potent portal]

Oh I thought it was part of it at least, stressing CPU and GPU and memory together

[earnest olive]

this is about maximum interconnect load

fwiw occt power does not push max power on my system

not sure why

my 3090 will not exceed 430 watts in occt power

but will happily do 550 in 3dmark

[earnest olive]

yeah, that's a possible symptom

I got horrible audio crackling with slightly unstable imc/iod

trust me, I'm speaking from experience behind all of my recommendations

anyways, I need a nap, brain is fried from too much work

good luck

[potent portal]

Yeah you don't get techie for nothing

[earnest olive]

I'm a lot more knowledgeable than I was when I first got techie

[potent portal]

As it should be

[earnest olive]

I got techie for being a part list slave lmao

didn't know how to ram oc at all back then

[mystic needle]

thank u👍

[earnest olive]

I'm still always learning

recently managed to improve my daily ram oc pretty significantly using some new knowledge

and go from 1 whea a week to 0 wheas

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855942683348172830/975395790325436466/unknown.png

[potent portal]

Weird, because I'm hitting 120% tdp with it set at 114%

[earnest olive]

alright nap time bye

[earnest olive]

yeah I have no clue

I have the latest occt version but maybe it doesn't like my older nvidia driver

@mystic needle I forgot to mention one thing

if you have local audio files (mp3, flac, etc) that would be better than youtube

[potent portal]

11.0.0.b18?

[earnest olive]

since youtube is going to take some system resources for the video decode

[earnest olive]

is that a beta version

[potent portal]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

idk I only prompt when it asks me to and I don't think it does that for betas

but it's been happening on stable versions since like v9.x.x

don't use it enough to care anyways

my gpu oc is long done

[mystic needle]

i have game footage i recorded but nothing that's just audio

[desert gulch]

Bro just sleep 😭

[earnest olive]

yeah I will I just remembered that one detail lol

[desert gulch]

xD

[earnest olive]

find something pure audio for the purpose of the test if you can

okay sleep time

[mystic needle]

okay will do👍 thanks for sacrificing precious sleep minutes

[potent portal]

I can send you a MP3 or something and you can play it on repeat. Not going to promise it won't drive you insane on repeat.

[winter marsh]

My Funko will never melt

[mystic needle]

that'd be helpful i really wish i downloaded music tho🥲

[potent portal]

Now that I think about it... You're on Windows 10. You could disable the fTPM in bios, I know there's a few stability issues related to that. Personally if I leave it on I get really bad micro stuttering.

[mystic needle]

where do i change that setting? and should i do that first or run the tests

[potent portal]

Run the tests first

It'll be under security settings in bios

You had an asus motherboard right?

They have a search option in bios

[mystic needle]

alright

no asrock

[potent portal]

Ah darn

[mystic needle]

yeah but i'll find it👍

okay tests starting brb

[rich juniper]

build challenge: make the coldest pc you can possibly make

[potent portal]

Look at the pins in #overclocking

Using refrigerant in a closed loop

[dense zephyr]

Is anyone able to help me get ideas for parts for a pc for around 1,500. If not then that is fine

[potent portal]

Sure, for gaming? And any preferences, like RGB (a little or a lot)?

[mossy venture]

If budget can go up a bit https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YP9rMb
If not https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BcmrMb

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8q78Q6

[mossy venture]

Why the 280 on a 12400f

[potent portal]

Whoops had a 12600k to start lol

There fixed

[dense zephyr]

Thank you so much bacca is there any way you could find a white case and how good is the pc on a scale from 1-10 I’m new to this so I’m not sure

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WBVG3C/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011201-ww
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FP3mP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dwt

It would rate very highly on a scale of comparable PCs in the price range

[dense zephyr]

Thanks 🙂

[mossy venture]

There's also a white p360a, if you'd like to save the $25-30

P400a is just a bit bigger and has one more fan

[potent portal]

Yeah the white P360A has RGB fans still too

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YNdrxr/phanteks-eclipse-p360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dwt

[mossy venture]

All good cases

[potent portal]

Yep. A budget like 1.5k leaves quite a bit of room for some minor aesthetic choices.

[vale veldt]

https://www.amazon.com/Desktop-Computer-Windows-Business-Quad-Core/dp/B09ZYJT61W/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1AF0N9K713O1P&keywords=mini+pc&qid=1652665268&sprefix=mini+pc%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-3

thoughts?

has no reviews

so iw anted to ask

is this gonna make my house explode?

[desert gulch]

Hey fal

[potent portal]

That would be fine as a basic office/browsing PC

[desert gulch]

Working on a windows issue rn

[vale veldt]

@desert gulch is it gonna make my house explode?

no reviews

[desert gulch]

Basically, sisters laptop wifi won't work at all

[vale veldt]

and chinese brand

kinda sketchy

[desert gulch]

Ran sfc, nothing bad

[potent portal]

The seller is the only sketchy part really, no reviews

[desert gulch]

Seems like a newer windows update screwed it up

[potent portal]

Tried system restore?

[desert gulch]

Yea

[vale veldt]

yeah exactly

very weird

[desert gulch]

And can't do anything with drivers cause no wifi and there was only 1 driver on there

And no Ethernet port either

So can't update windows or anything

Tried everything I can think of other than like a clean install which would suck cause it's a HP lappy

[potent portal]

HP usually keeps drivers extracted in a folder on the root of the C drive

swsetup I think it was

[desert gulch]

Aight

I'll try looking there

[potent portal]

You can just copy that out so you have drivers, then reinstall

[desert gulch]

I'll try that, thx

What would the driver files be labeled?

[vale veldt]

so i cant use internet?

[potent portal]

Nah he's talking about something different

[desert gulch]

Wasn't talking to you, talking about my own perils lol

[vale veldt]

oh lol

so what are your thoughts \

[potent portal]

The PC looks fine but I wouldn't get because of the seller

[vale veldt]

ahh gotcha

welp

i got it for free lmfao

[potent portal]

Chances are you'd never get it, and they can take your money by claiming you did but the tracking info is too old to check

Oh well if you have it then yeah it seems safe enough to use

[desert gulch]

.

Idk what I'm looking for xD

I'm not really a software person

[potent portal]

Just don't expect to play too many games on it, basic and older stuff will run

[vale veldt]

nah i mean it says its coming

i doubt it tho

[vale veldt]

can i stream?

on twitch

and fulfill my dreams

[potent portal]

Not likely lol

[vale veldt]

ik lol

[potent portal]

You could use it as a stream box for another PC tho lol

[still roost]

UltraM#0002 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vale veldt]

chinese pc

@potent portal cdo u know where i can find me a good windows laptop under 500 bucks

not gaming

just like windows

[potent portal]

They're usually somewhat random strings of numbers and letters, you won't know what the driver is without opening the ini files or running the exe

[desert gulch]

Ah ok

She's trying to uninstall the windows update from yesterday

That was right before it stopped working

But it won't let uninstall

So ig next is drivers

[potent portal]

Yeah some updates it won't let you

[desert gulch]

She has a new driver on USB stick

So ig that's next

Otherwise it's rollback time

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.com/blue-stone-msi-modern-14-b11mo-210-mainstream/p/N82E16834155825?quicklink=true

[vale veldt]

how good is this

[potent portal]

Newegg has lots, just watch out for sellers. Higher rated ones are good. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100006740 601361033 601346415 601399384 601357212 601401358 601357214&LeftPriceRange=400+520

[vale veldt]

any better acer ones

[potent portal]

I don't know about "better" but this one has the same CPU https://www.newegg.com/gold-acer-aspire-5-a514-54-501z-home-personal/p/N82E16834360135?quicklink=true

[vale veldt]

https://www.newegg.com/gold-acer-aspire-5-a514-54-501z-home-personal/p/N82E16834360135?quicklink=true

what do u think about this

oh shoot the same one lol

do u think this is safe?

[potent portal]

Top rated seller, looks good

[vale veldt]

cool

ty

[potent portal]

Granted they have 5 ratings but if they were garbage they wouldn't get near perfect marks on those 5 ratings

Only 1 of the 5 says they didn't get the item and were refunded

[dense zephyr]

What would be a good monitor to get bc I have 1 already and is is 144hz but when I play Minecraft and other games it looks almost grainy could this be bc I am playing on a laptop. The laptop is mediocre

[potent portal]

Which monitor do you have already?

[dense zephyr]

A aoc monitor

[potent portal]

We often recommend the MSI G241 (or G242, whichever is cheaper) for budget 1080p and the Gigabyte M27Q for 1440p at ~$300

[dense zephyr]

Should I use the monitor as the secondary one since it is grainy and I have no idea why bc the laptop screen is fine. It could be because it is hooked up form hdmi

[potent portal]

If it's an older version of HDMI it could be needing to use a smaller pixel format or compression, which could impact visual quality.
Maybe try setting it to 120Hz and see if it's still a problem.
You can also check the pixel format in the graphics driver settings.

[analog pulsar]

M27Q is $400 rn on newegg and $319 on Amazon not including tax

[potent portal]

It's also $319 at best buy which means no shipping cost if you do site to store

Yeah, the "~" means approximately

[frank stirrup]

think he wants u gone ngl rombo combo

[little osprey]

U got trick

😹

[restive halo]

So I built a pp list for a customer and then got a 3900xt and a 1660 super for free lol. What s the cheapest build I can throw together with that.

[mossy venture]

Prolly try for more used stuff

For psu, anything off the A or B tier list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling

Case, anything that doesn't have a solid front panel and some other mesh on the top and back

[restive halo]

I have a 360 cooler I can throw in if need be

[mossy venture]

Ram whatever 2x8 3200c16 kit you can find, gheres a silicon power kit that's always in stock for less than $55

[mossy venture]

Bit overkill, but it works

Would need a bigger case as well

[restive halo]

I just heard the 3900xt heats up

[mossy venture]

Storage, mp33/sn550/sn570 are good cheapish options

It def heats up

[desert gulch]

A60 too

[mossy venture]

Nothing an ak620 can't handle iirc though

[restive halo]

How is the be quiet pure power 11

[unborn mesa]

Corsair Hydro X Series XH305i Hardline Water Cooling Kit with/incl XC7 CPU Water Block, XR5 360mm Radiator, XD5 Pump Res and iCUE QL120 RGB Fans https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08C7QJC7G/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_JXADPDVSDAC45HJSR4KW?psc=1

Is this decent for its price?

[potent portal]

A good X470 mobo should be a lil cheaper than B550

[potent portal]

That's roughly how much it would be to buy the parts separately

[unborn mesa]

So not terrible

[potent portal]

B tier, good for up to a 3070 tier GPU system

[potent portal]

Not terrible but then you need to deal with corsair software, and some of their loop parts are just meh like the block

[unborn mesa]

Yea ik corsair software aint great but so far only kit ik about

Wanna see what i did with my cpu fan since i been lazy to swap the cooler out?

[unborn mesa]

Thermaltake Pacific C360 Ddc Res/Pump 5V Motherboard Sync Copper Radiator PETG Hard Tube Water Cooling Kit CL-W243-CU12SW-A https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q2HL58S/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_WM29FNBJRC458PVRSF4B?psc=1

What about this one

[potent portal]

The pump is kinda sketchy on that set, and there's a bunch of reviews saying it died (or caught fire)
I'd look at this one https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/kits-systems-and-aios/diy-kits-cpu/21349/alphacool-eissturm-hurricane-copper-45-2x140mm-komplettset?c=23077

@unborn mesa There's this one too if you really wanted 360mm https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/kits-systems-and-aios/diy-kits-cpu/22290/alphacool-eissturm-hurricane-copper-45-3x120mm-complete-kit?c=23077

[unborn mesa]

Eh im just looking atm can only fit 2 360 in my case and they would both be iffy on airflow

[potent portal]

Ah, well alphacool makes a lot of good parts so keep that in mind. You wouldn't have to change anything out with one of those kits. The block could be better but that's getting nitpicky.

I really like their radiators too, full copper

[unborn mesa]

Thats sounds dope might do it with a different card since mine has its own 360 rad

[potent portal]

Or you could do the insane thing and loop them together

[unborn mesa]

Explain

But pretty sure voids my warranty

[potent portal]

100% would void warranty

That's why it's the insane thing

[unborn mesa]

Maybe in 2 years then

When i up to next gen series cards

Or unless my cpu needs it

@potent portal any idea what i could sell a 5700g for?

[potent portal]

Used? $160-230

[ripe spear]

If i was using a APU i would keep it as a backup in case something happens to my GPU but that is just me

[potent portal]

In the case of Intel where having it doesn't actively damage the performance of the CPU sure, but on AMD it's like having a CPU from the last gen

[unborn mesa]

Might try 180-220

[frigid night]

What makes this a better option for cooling than the LFII 360? Is it because it has a reservoir? Does that somehow allow the liquid to cool off more before going back through the loop?

[earnest olive]

in general custom loops can use thicker radiators and stronger pumps to beat AIOs

[frigid night]

Ah ok. That makes sense. I kinda knew that, but it was escaping me when I was thinking about it.

[earnest olive]

aios are a closed unit where you can't switch out the rad

so they have to be designed to be one size fits all

so they use thinner radiators for compatibility with most cases

and the pump is built in so it just doesn't get to be as powerful

for custom loop since you can choose the rad that suits you there is no such compatibility concern limiting the rad size

and the pump is often not built in and can be larger and stronger

[frigid night]

So I couldn't use the lfII 360 in a custom loop by disconnecting the hoses somehow?

I guess that'd defeat the point

Alright. So basically full customization with more powerful pump / bigger rad allows for more cooling. Got it.

[earnest olive]

I'm sure you could if you were determined enough to engineer this kind of solution

it also wouldn't really make it any better than just the aio itself

and probably look really scuffed

[frigid night]

Yeah that'd be a crappy look

[restive halo]

Thoughts on this? I got the cpu and gpu for free

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9mz6Q6

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt run a 3900xt on that mobo, pro vdh is a bit better and same price but even then it's a bit low end to pair with it. Psu I'll take a look to see if I can find anything better priced, and that case looks terrible

Mx330-g is smaller, but much better

[restive halo]

Looking Togo go black and white scheme. PRO VDH WIFI?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9FN6Q6 I put the aio in because of how cheap it is

And I'd put money on people thinking it looks cooler with the aio or smthn along those lines

And paying more because of it, psu is the same A tier just cheaper and 100w more, mobo should be decent enough with the 3900xt

[restive halo]

@mossy venture https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9DZcb

Trying to stay under $500

[mossy venture]

the m.2 heatsink has no use

the case really is terrible

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JkN6Q6

case is a good bit better

ram is overpriced, but considering you want white its the most reasonably priced white kit i could find

ssd i would still do the mp33

[frank stirrup]

use case?

[unborn mesa]

Is sapphire warranty bad or is that just my opinion

[mossy venture]

@restive halo this is also on sale for $70 after $10 rebate if youd be fine with going for an all black build https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZJcRsY/phanteks-eclipse-p360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dbk

[restive halo]

Use this case for sure. How is the psu I picked?

[mossy venture]

psus B tier, so good enough

even high priority C tier would be fine for a 1660s build, but not worth saving the $10 for a worse psu. Cxf good

[ripe spear]

@restive halo are you buying a second NVMe?

I ask cause the MSI board you picked has a M.2 heatshield on it already

[mossy venture]

yeah, the m.2 heatsink still has no purpose

i wouldnt buy it

[ripe spear]

Also for mATX cases this one is good cause i did it for a friends build which he has good temps https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3f2WGX/antec-nx200m-microatx-mid-tower-case-nx200m

[mossy venture]

id spend the extra $8 on the p360a

[ripe spear]

I would as well but it is nice to show other good options

[obsidian wigeon]

microatx, meh

rather pay extra for bigger case

[ripe spear]

Ya well to some people they might like smaller size cases

I like all size cases as long as it has good airflow in it

[restive halo]

No but I am switching this one out

@mossy venture https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R7z6Q6

[mossy venture]

Looks good enough, though the p360a is still a better case

[ripe spear]

Guess he just wants one with preinstalled RGB fans

Which i wouldn't trust those fans tbh

[obsidian wigeon]

why wouldn't you trust em?

phanteks makes fans themselves

some of their models are even top performers

[mossy venture]

P360a has rgb fans

[ripe spear]

Look up one extra in the list

You will see the case and the fans i don't trust and not the P360A

[obsidian wigeon]

oh

apevia case

[ripe spear]

And fans

Even on the other case he picked before looked cheap and flashy

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

that's oof

[ripe spear]

With me airflow is always the first thing and looks is second

That is why for my friends build i went for the NX200M

Well he still wanted RGB but i made sure to get good enough fans for cooling

[restive halo]

Going for sale aestetics lol

I figure rgb fans in front and back with the aio up top

[fossil cedar]

Motherboard comes with an ssd heatsink + that case is bad

Go for p360a instead, looks way better, cheaper and still has rgb fans

[restive halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JqspKp

[fossil cedar]

👌

[restive halo]

Thank you all as always

Had a slight change

Thinking of putting my 3700x in it and the 3900xt in mine?

Thoughts

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KRGJnt

[mossy venture]

Not a bad idea, especially if you use your pc for more than gaming

3900xt paired with a 1660s would be a tough selling point

[fossil cedar]

Much better idea imo

[restive halo]

Thank you all

[gusty sun]

What components would you recommend to be able to run Star Citizen on high graphics? I currently have a z390 pro wifi motherboard I'd like to keep. Everything else can go.

[mossy venture]

whats the budget for the whole build

[gusty sun]

Under 5k but preferably much lower lol

[mossy venture]

in what currency?

[gusty sun]

Usd

[mossy venture]

at that price you do not want to keep that mobo

you can do a 12700k 3080 12gb build for around 2k

prolly less

do you plan to overclock the cpu?

[gusty sun]

Should run the game nicely?

Probably.

Can you message me a build recommendation?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fyZcxs

@gusty sun

could go for the 420mm liquid freezer as well if you want to, $40 more

wouldnt be a bad idea since you plan to oc the cpu

and if wanted the rmx 1000w is like 160 last i checked, overkill though

[stoic island]

Would go 5000d/p500a for the option

[gusty sun]

Intel Core i5 9th Gen - Core i5-9400F Coffee Lake 6-Core 2.9 GHz (4.1 GHz Turbo) LGA 1151 (300 Series) 65W BX80684I59400F

In the pc currently.

[mossy venture]

how much do you want to spend

[stoic island]

9400f relatively sucks, current gen stuff is much better

[mossy venture]

doesnt it lack hyperthreading?

or was that 8400f

[stoic island]

Mnm

[gusty sun]

Kk just thought I'd throw it out.

[mossy venture]

how much do you want to spend on the build

[gusty sun]

Idk man I'm a cop. Lol I just use pcs

[stoic island]

There's typically places for disposing ewaste, don't actually just throw it in the trash lol

And you could prob sell secondhand if you want

[gusty sun]

3k

[mossy venture]

ok

[gusty sun]

Don't think the wife will kill me.

[stoic island]

Could spend 2500$ and get a great pc, bacca is prob editing list

[mossy venture]

then the build i linked would be a good idea, there wont be a noticable difference between that and a 3k pc

[gusty sun]

I meant throw the info out here not literally throw it out.

[mossy venture]

not much of a point aside from maybe 6950xt

[stoic island]

420mm aio and bigger case

[mossy venture]

you fine with an amd gpu?

[stoic island]

I just don't like 4000d lel

[mossy venture]

yeah, 420mm liquid freezer and the 5000d airflow

[gusty sun]

Idc as long as it works. And I don't need to replace everything in a year.

[mossy venture]

kk

[gusty sun]

I've been using a gtx1060 since 2015.

[mossy venture]

@stoic island pcp is showing 5000d as incompatible with the 420mm

it definitely is, right?

[stoic island]

There's also small nice to have things I'd personally do, like going 3600c16 and s70 blade

I dunno, p500a does for sure, I thought 5000d could

[gusty sun]

I wish I knew what you guys were saying.

Thats how you know ur getting experts lol

[stoic island]

I think it might only be 7000d that fits 420mm

Nah it's just shorthand stuff

[mossy venture]

p500a fits it

[stoic island]

Phanteks P500a case is too cumbersome to type

So shortened to P500a

[mossy venture]

wait, does p500a have a mesh top?

[stoic island]

Etc

[mossy venture]

in the picture on pcp it doesnt look like it

[stoic island]

It should be exhaust so shouldn't matter

[mossy venture]

nvm

on amazon it does

[stoic island]

Wonder where vintage went

Could've asked them

[mossy venture]

alright, @gusty sun is there anything specific you want like looks or anything like that?

preference for rgb or anything along those lines?

[gusty sun]

Nope.

[mossy venture]

do you want a 1440p monitor?

[gusty sun]

Honestly could care less about rgb

Yeah I have a monitor already.

[fossil cedar]

I smell a build list
https://c.tenor.com/vZfaqRdiKaYAAAAM/sniff-nose.gif