#building-and-recc-chat

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potent portal
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Yeah that's basically an 11900k on steroids, bulked up and 4 e-cores added

little osprey
mossy venture
little osprey
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why

mossy venture
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just not good parts to buy

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well ssd is fine too

little osprey
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I did a lot of research I think that all looks really good and performance is pretty good

mossy venture
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disagree

little osprey
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what would you change

mossy venture
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ill make you a list in a few min

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let me fdinish this game

little osprey
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ok

mossy venture
little osprey
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around 1000 dollars for new parts

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all the parts that say 0 I have already

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also in my opinion no rgb > rgb

mossy venture
little osprey
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lmao

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I got it for christmass so idk

mossy venture
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that sucks

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alright

stoic island
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tbf viper mini is fine and k669 is fune

little osprey
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k669 is literally the best for its budget rn

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find one thats better then that and ill venmo you a dollar

stoic island
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q2u or xm8500 w interface also similar in price

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q2u price has went up though

little osprey
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also the xvx m61 looks so good I dont care if its not hotswapable I think it looks amazing and I like yellow switches anyways

mossy venture
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because it doesnt let me choose a b550

stoic island
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If you like rgb, womier k61/k67, you can get a similar keycap set from hk or smth

stoic island
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There's a checkbox on the top left

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but still

mossy venture
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b450 it is

stoic island
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B550 didn't start with zen+ support

mossy venture
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ah sucks

stoic island
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dats why 3200g/3400g and such just wouldn't work on most b550 boards

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There's no official support, but some people have gotten it to work on some b550 boards

mossy venture
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pcp doesnt show the 700w version

stoic island
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You can add custom part

mossy venture
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yeye

buoyant patrol
mossy venture
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just realized it allows url

buoyant patrol
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Lemme rephrase that

mossy venture
stoic island
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I mean, from the perspective of actually buying one, I wouldn't spend more than like 75$

buoyant patrol
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What would be a compelling price

mossy venture
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considering 12100 smacks it around

little osprey
buoyant patrol
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Ic ic

stoic island
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For selling, maybe like 120 or similar

mossy venture
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im now running it on a 650

little osprey
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oh damn

stoic island
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3060ti can run on 450w

little osprey
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ok

mossy venture
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even a 3080 ti is fine on a decent 700w

stoic island
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Just depends on rest of system and such

mossy venture
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^^

buoyant patrol
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Depending on what else you have

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Yeah

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I was aboutta say lmaooo an i9 12900k w a 3060ti

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On 450w 😭😭

stoic island
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3060ti only draws like 200w avg in general

mossy venture
little osprey
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what else would you change?

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other then the psu I updated list with new psu

mossy venture
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given it is a 1 pin model

mossy venture
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id do that list

stoic island
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I'll start to list why each thing should be changed

mossy venture
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if you find the case ugly, p360a and mx330-g are fine alternatives

little osprey
mossy venture
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which p12s would be good to use

stoic island
mossy venture
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they provide links to it instead of you having to type everything and hyper link everything

buoyant patrol
mossy venture
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and a total price and individual price

stoic island
mossy venture
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^^

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ima just agree with everything mr says before he says it, because were pretty much going to say the same thing

stoic island
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2700x won't work on b550

mossy venture
little osprey
mossy venture
stoic island
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ds3h isn't good but meh, it's b450

mossy venture
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and the mobo is more than enough for a 2700x

mossy venture
little osprey
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I was gonna upgrade my cpu later so idk

stoic island
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headset replacement wise, if budget could be increased, cloud ii for a generic decent option, if not, if you don't care about looks, smth like ksc75x that has inline mic, if you want normal generic headset, gmr air

stoic island
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There's also always just tomahawk max

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generic meh board but better than generic bad board

mossy venture
buoyant patrol
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Idk if it helps but there’s a lot of b450 boards in Amazon warehouse

mossy venture
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oh wait, the intel version of the ds3h is the decent one isnt it

stoic island
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and yea, b450 is older platform, can prob get better prices for used/refurb boards

little osprey
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wait so what is a good motherboard for 200$ ish

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that supports 2700x

stoic island
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For b450, the goal is 100$

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200$ is just overspending for such an old platform imo

mossy venture
stoic island
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And yes, best case scenerio is selling 2700x for a good price and going 12th gen rn

little osprey
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how much can i sell the 2700x for

potent portal
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Looks like $120-160 on ebay

little osprey
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ok

potent portal
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Which is more than the 12100f costs 🙃

mossy venture
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970 evo is a great ssd tho

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good one to have for your build

stoic island
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@little osprey Keeb wise, you can get something decent w hotswap like this
https://www.amazon.com/Percent-Keyboard-Mechanical-Gateron-Swappable/dp/B08PF3HD2V/
And if you really want those keycaps, you can buy them separately
https://www.amazon.com/SDYZ-Keycaps-Keycaps-Suitable-Mechanical-Keyboards/dp/B08SLQJTKC/

Womier K61 60% Percent Keyboard, Hot Swappable Mechanical Gaming Ke...

Womier K61 60% Percent Keyboard, Hot Swappable Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Gateron Switch Dual RGB Backlit Compact 61 Keys for PC PS4 Xbox (White,Yellow Switch)

SDYZ Custom Keycaps-Keycaps 60 Percent, Suitable for GK61/GK64/RK61...

SDYZ Custom Keycaps-Keycaps 60 Percent, Suitable for GK61/GK64/RK61/Anne/GH60 /ALT61 Mechanical Keyboards, 71 Key Set, OEM Profile PBT Keycaps (Coral Sea Keycaps)

mossy venture
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i love my keychron k4

stoic island
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I like my k8

grim forge
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hello all

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Wondering if I can get a bit of advice

mossy venture
still roostBOT
grim forge
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I'm getting grief posting my question, in general, I tried using pc part picker and I can't get the sight to recognize some of the parts in my pc so went to Newegg chat and Newegg sent me here to ask my question is I'm having to replace my mother board and I'm wondering is this board will work in place of the current board

Board in question

MSI MPG X570S Carbon MAX WiFi Gaming Motherboard (ATX, AMD, Socket AM4. DDR4, PCIe 4, CFX, M.2 Slots, Wi-Fi 6E)

Current board

MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, AX Wi-Fi 6, HDMI, ATX)

The pc.

MSI MPG X570 Gaming PRO Carbon WiFi Motherboard (AMD AM4, DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2, USB 3.2 Gen 2, AX Wi-Fi 6, HDMI, ATX)

XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB 3D NAND NVMe Gen3x4 PCIe M.2 2280 Solid State Drive R/W 3500/3000MB/s SSD (ASX8200PNP-512GT-C)

CORSAIR RM Series, RM850, 850 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply, Microsoft Modern Standby

Windows 10 Home 64 bit / 32 bit | USB Flash Drive | English New

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler

MSI GAMING GeForce RTX 2080 8GB GDRR6 256-bit HDMI/DP/USB Ray Tracing Turing Architecture Graphics Card (RTX 2080 VENTUS 8G OC)

Hitachi HUA723030ALA640 3TB Hitachi UltraStar 7K3000 HUA723030ALA640 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive

Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 128GB (4x32GB) DDR4 3000 (PC4-24000) C16 Desktop Memory – Black (CMW128GX4M4D3000C16)

mossy venture
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also why do you have to replace your motherboard?

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is it broken?

grim forge
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yes the pc is built but the motherboard is bad

mossy venture
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how long have you had those parts?

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because i would return most of them

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assuming you bought them recently

grim forge
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it's having a tun of problems Tech recommended replacing

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2 1/2 years ago

mossy venture
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ah alright

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id reccomend a b550, assuming you dont need all the nvme slots that x570s come with

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im sorry its hard to read all the specs the way you sent them

grim forge
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b550 will that run the Ryzen 7 3700X 8-core, and the 4 memory sticks already in the pc

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what are nvme slots

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sorry I'm not a builder a friend put this together for me and I no longer have his knowledge to turn to

mossy venture
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ima be honest

grim forge
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who makes the b55o?

mossy venture
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your friend didnt seem to know what they were talking about

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how much do you want to spend?

grim forge
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as little as I can but I still want performence

mossy venture
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mobo is near irrelevant to performance

grim forge
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ok then as little as posable

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and this will run everything in the pc ?

mossy venture
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from what i can tell

grim forge
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this whon't run my 2, 32 inch monitors

mossy venture
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the ports on the mobo dont matter

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the ports on the gpu are where you run your monitors throuigh

grim forge
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oh ya that's right my bad

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ok then I will check it out thank you very much

tame oyster
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@strange epoch

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Your set up is mad clean

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I love it

strange epoch
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Thanks

timid dragon
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Hey I finished building my pc but idk how to connect it to a monitor

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Is it with only a hdmi cable or do I need something else?

little osprey
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hdmi is fine

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connect it from the graphics card, not the motherboard. (if you have a graphics card)

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there where the red circle is

analog hearth
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how did you build a whole PC and fail to understand how to plug it to a monitor?

little osprey
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@timid dragon u there

analog hearth
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lol he dead

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probably trying to figure out how to connect his HP Pavilion to some old 900p monitor that uses VGA

strong raft
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VGA is so old school. Only had it on my CRT(s) and an LCD that was 1280x1024.

timid dragon
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Yeah sorry I just saw this I really appreciate you guys a lot

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Sorry it’s my first time building one

strong raft
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success? btw can use hdmi or displayport, displayport is just usually better (especially to allow higher resolution and/or refresh rates)

little osprey
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Lmao. left hanging again

strong raft
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^ literally me right now 🤣

lime jay
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Hey guys, I'm in the middle of my first build and I ran into a snag

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I went to install my mobo into the case but.... The mobo has a preinstalled io and it doesnt wanna fit into my case

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Mobo is an x570 unify and case is a corsair obsidian 500D

fossil cedar
lime jay
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I managed to get it, but thank you! My not so ingenious self tried to get the entire io shield through but it just needed to peek out lol

lime jay
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Ok so I got myself another problem. my psu is an RM850x and the cpu cables included dont seem to fit my mobo

formal girder
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Are you using the proper eps cable for the CPU area of the board and do you have them rotated properly

high yew
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hi everyone, i hope y'all are doing good! very quick question

w my aio being mounted to the front of my case, i wasn't able to put my dust filter on to help with, well dust. i've been looking at dust filters for my fans online but majority of them block the same amount of dust as they do air intake. so curious to know, do i NEED a front dust filter / fan filter(s) or am i gonna be okay if i just dust out the front rad/fans every couple months?

formal girder
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I would suggest dusting every few weeks if dust build up is quick near your setup but if dust isn't issue I'd suggest every month or two

earnest olive
celest sun
earnest olive
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how on earth is that a counter point?

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I said "dust more often"

celest sun
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Hmmmm.... es

earnest olive
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I run an open case with an air purifier running 24/7 and I still dust every week

celest sun
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How many furry friends?

earnest olive
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1

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it's super easy though

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I bought a mini leaf blower

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my PC is already open

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just plug it in and aim it inside

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doesn't run out like compressed air cans

celest sun
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I've had a datavac duster for 6 years now, well worth the $

earnest olive
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mine is basically the same thing but half the price

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I tried actually blowing leaves with it yesterday

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unsurprisingly it worked very well

celest sun
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I get it, i use mine for porch blowing

earnest olive
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it dropped my laptop's temps by almost 10c compared to a compressed air can

celest sun
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I get scared when my laptops 3060 starts chucking out 95 deg C temps

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but uh... that's just poor heatsink design

fringe iris
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I have G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series 32GB 3200 MGHZ.. I have a 12600k and z690 mobo i have xmp to 3200 could i OC to 3600 mghz and would it even make a difference

earnest olive
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I'm mining on my laptop 3070 in the high 50s to mid 60s with 60% fan speed (which is just below 40 dba)

earnest olive
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I saw a 40% increase in raw memory performance going from 3600c16 xmp timings to 3800c14 manual subtimings

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that doesn't exactly translate to 40% in games

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but it's a huge boost if you're CPU bound

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however, don't you have a 5600xt?

earnest olive
obsidian wigeon
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^

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95c on a 3060 laptop seems odd nowadays

earnest olive
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my laptop CPU definitely had a bad factory paste job

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but liquid metal fixed it right up

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the gpu paste was quite good but I used liquid metal anyways

fringe iris
earnest olive
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unless you're playing warzone at 720p lowest settings or something

fringe iris
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how exactly do I know my gpu is bottlenecking

earnest olive
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well you have a low end gpu with a high end cpu

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it's not so hard to guess

fringe iris
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Yeah.. I get around 150-200 fps on all high settings on warzone

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fortnite about 120

earnest olive
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you'll probably not see a gain from ram oc unless you play at very low settings

fringe iris
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ahh alright thanks i was just wondering if it would help

obsidian wigeon
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gpu oc would only be the thing you'll see an increase tbh

earnest olive
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np, maybe look into it again when you GPU upgrade or decide to play low settings to chase frames lol

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warzone does love ram oc

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not sure about fortnite

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but 120 fps definitely sounds GPU bound

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I did a customer build and he specifically wanted me to test fortnite

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on a stock ryzen 5 3600 and gtx 1660 it was getting 300 fps

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if a ryzen 5 3600 is capable of outputting 300 fps then 12600K can certainly do more than 120

glossy gull
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Should I return my 6700 xt for a 6800 xt for 1440p 170 fps

fringe iris
earnest olive
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of course

earnest olive
glossy gull
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Even 144 tho

earnest olive
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even 3090ti/6900xt can't do 170 fps in every game

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my 3090 doesn't get anywhere near that in valhalla

glossy gull
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Metro etc

earnest olive
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just think about if your games aren't running well enough and if you think the extra money is worth it to make your games run like 20% better

fringe iris
earnest olive
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do a blind test between 100 fps and 120 fps, can you tell the difference?

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I can't tell between 100 and 240

glossy gull
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I’m

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Hmm

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Idk what to do

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Like I have the budget

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So idk

earnest olive
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that's good, but having the money doesn't mandate spending it

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just think about how badly you want a 20% performance boost

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it's your decision, since it's entirely subjective

glossy gull
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I just don’t want something Iwil be disappointed with

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But the you made me feel better about the purchase

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So thank you

earnest olive
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6700xt will do a great job at 1440p

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so will 6800xt

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either way no reason to be disappointed

glossy gull
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I’m glad to hear that man thank you so much 😊

earnest olive
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np

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my biggest advice

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games are more fun when you turn off the fps counter

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just enjoy the game and stop looking at a number on the corner of the screen

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upgrade when the game stops being enjoyable rather than targeting a new number

little osprey
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Or upgrade when your game is so laggy you can’t bear it any longer

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😔

stoic island
earnest olive
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yup

stoic island
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But hey, I sometimes feel a difference between 90fps and 140fps

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When my uv for mining is applied while playing some games

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I check fps, realize what happened, change it back.

earnest olive
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i think that has more to do with the 1% lows

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i know what you're talking about

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i've had mining accidentally running while running it takes two and gotten 90 fps but it was stuttery

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smooth 90 is much different

stoic island
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Yea, probably

stoic island
earnest olive
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weird

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i've never had my monitor downclock on me before

little osprey
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it happens to me when i play forza and it’s super annoying

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Because the monitor just stays at 120hz

stoic island
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It's a weird occurrence and windows just doesn't give me the 144hz option again

little osprey
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not like it matters too much tho

stoic island
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So I have to go nvcp and custom resolution and 144hz again

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But other times it just lets me do 144hz right away

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

earnest olive
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what gpu do you have again

fringe iris
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I have a Rx5600xt ITX Powercolor how do ik if its a red dragon or devil

earnest olive
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it's neither

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itx is its own model

obsidian wigeon
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itx? yeah

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it's neither

earnest olive
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it's just called "rx 5600 xt itx"

obsidian wigeon
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red devil is like the higher end variant

fringe iris
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alright thanks

obsidian wigeon
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with at least two fans

fringe iris
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if i needed to flash bios to a newer version am i able to?

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i had seen that i can flash it to a newer one and get 16 gbps and im not sure of it

earnest olive
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don't vbios flash unless you know exactly what you're doing

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you can turn your card into a fancy paperweight

fringe iris
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well thats what i wanted to know if there was something newer than what i have installed.

earnest olive
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also, if your card is capable of doing 16 gbps with a vbios flash, then it's also capable of doing 16 gbps with overclocking

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vbios flash doesn't change the actual hardware

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just overclock it

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much safer for the same result

fringe iris
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alright thanks

earnest olive
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i will say that it's incredibly unlikely to be getting 16 gbps on a 5600xt

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i have a golden sample 5700xt (third strongest air cooled 3dmark score in the world) that can't do 16 gbps

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running at 15.056 gbps with tightened vram timings right now

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could maybe go a little higher if i loosened the vram timings, but probably not up to 16 gbps

fringe iris
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should I OC gpu or vram

earnest olive
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why not both lol

fringe iris
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i didnt really know the difference

earnest olive
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it's not an either or, you can do both

fringe iris
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alright thanks.. ill check it out

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it keeps saying it cant automatically OC

earnest olive
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don't rely on automatic oc

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do it yourself

little osprey
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It’s pretty simple, just follow a simple guide and there shouldn’t be any worries of “breaking” something. just do what the guide tells you to do

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Auto oc is bad

earnest olive
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manual oc is always better

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ALWAYS

little osprey
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It’s so easy to do manual oc

fringe iris
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tbf idk how to manually oc

little osprey
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Trust me. i could do it

earnest olive
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yeah, even cameron can do it

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smh

earnest olive
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gpu oc is the easiest form of oc

fringe iris
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my vram is at 1748 and my clock speed and voltage are at 7 and 775 mV

little osprey
fringe iris
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let me check it out

little osprey
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First step is to get msi afterburner, and when you’re installing afterburner, make sure to check the box to install Rtss or rivatuner statistics server (RTSS basically allows you to have the in-game overlay for temps, frequencies, etc)

fringe iris
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i already have afterburner so ill do that

little osprey
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W

earnest olive
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ehh

little osprey
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it’s not required but if you would like it

earnest olive
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i prefer radeon software over afterburner for radeon cards

little osprey
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Oh it’s radeon

earnest olive
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afterburner works but radeon software is better

little osprey
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Shrug

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You decide

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i only suggest

fringe iris
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i cant find a guide for my card i looked in the pinned messages but im a little confused

earnest olive
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it doesn't have to be for your exact card lol

little osprey
earnest olive
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the basic oc process is the same for every modern gpu

little osprey
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Yes^

earnest olive
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radeon gpus can get more complicated if you choose to dive into bios modding

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but the basic process is the same

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increase vram until it crashes

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increase core until it crashes

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done

fringe iris
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do i have to increase my power limit

little osprey
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I don’t know what that does tbh i just left it

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i think it allows your card to use more power because that’s what the name sounds like

fringe iris
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my clock speed is at 1748

earnest olive
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your choice

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my 5700xt runs at 2138mhz core 1892mhz mem

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bios modded with a 440w power limit

fringe iris
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so just increase vram slowly until it crashes? lmao

earnest olive
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yes.. that's literally the process

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welcome to overclocking

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grab 3dmark demo to test each increase

fringe iris
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what happens if it crashes and what do i do to fix it

earnest olive
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if it crashes

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well one of two things happens

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one, your radeon driver detects a timeout and recovers

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you can proceed as normal

little osprey
earnest olive
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two, your pc shuts down

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turn it back on and proceed as normal

fringe iris
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alright thanks

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oc vram to 1856 and my temps are 59c

mossy venture
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If your temps are that low, don't worry about them

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Assuming you're currently doing a stress test

south cliff
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Got my 12600k for 231

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on amazon

little osprey
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w

celest horizon
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You can see a performance regression before crashing when overclocking vram.

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Use time spy gt2 to test.

formal girder
south cliff
formal girder
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Ye

little osprey
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only like $60 more than 12400

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banger price

south cliff
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Also do you think the 12600k will bottleneck 4000 series when it comes out?

obsidian wigeon
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nope

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the gpu will be the bottleneck still

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note that 12600k has near 12900k perf in many games

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so there shouldn't be cpu problems

timid dragon
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Hi so I set up my pc and everything but the wifi option isn’t popping up what can I do?

cyan rune
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Make 100% sure you got a motherboard with wifi. If you don’t, I can suggest a pcie wifi card.

obsidian wigeon
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or it could just be that wifi drivers for that board hasn't been installed

timid dragon
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It had integrated wifi

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And I plugged in the antena

obsidian wigeon
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yep, it needs wifi driver

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go into support page for your board, and downloads section

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you should be able to find wifi drivers

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it usually says wireless or something along that line

timid dragon
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But how do I download it without wifi

obsidian wigeon
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uhm, well

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you'd need another machine for that

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laptop or anything

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or if possible

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hook it up to ethernet

timid dragon
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I can do it on another device

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I would just have to download it to a usb then?

earnest olive
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could also download the drivers on your phone or use usb tethering hotspot from your phone

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my phone is able to provide a wired internet connection to my pc using usb cable, not sure if iphone allows this

timid dragon
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Okay okay thank you guys so much it’s been such a headache lol

earnest olive
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don't forget to flex in #build-pics when it's all set up

little osprey
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most def

timid dragon
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@earnest olive I’m gonna post after I customize the rgb and stuff don’t worry I got you

south cliff
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What are the best non rbg fans and are quiet?

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with pretty good performance

earnest olive
south cliff
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Boi 114 dollars

earnest olive
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nah i found them cheaper

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$85 for 3

south cliff
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aren't there like some noctua fans that are good

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Noctua NF-P12 redux

fossil cedar
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Oh non rgb

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Then just arctic p12

#

P14 for 140mm

south cliff
#

i mean it dont matter if rgb just i will prob turn it off

fossil cedar
#

Well the non rgbs are cheaper

south cliff
#

are tjeu better than the nactua fans

#

i thought they were 120?

#

mm

#

oh

fossil cedar
#

Technically the noctua a12x25s are a tiny bit better than arctic p12s but it's not worth it

south cliff
#

well i just heard that nactua made really good fans

fossil cedar
#

P12s are also like 1/3 the price of a12x25's

south cliff
#

i need 4 fans 3 front 1 back

desert gulch
#

Fanboy alert

#

Pays money for poop colored fans

#

Oh

#

Good then

#

Brown fans ugly af

#

Fair

south cliff
#

looks kinda dodo

#

im just kidding

#

looks amazing

#

how much you get that 3090 for

#

bruh spent a car on a graphics card

#

im just saying

#

2k is like a car

#

ik but i wouldve got like a 3080

#

💀

#

bro

#

why do you need a 3080 ti

#

when you got a 3090

#

but you only use the 3090 right?

#

for how much?

#

thats a steal

#

but you wouldnt scalp right?

jagged ember
#

is he just looking for an outlet to like

#

vent about scalpers and miners

#

it kinda feels like it

south cliff
#

10000+ social credit

earnest olive
#

👀

#

how many digits

little osprey
#

3

#

i was right

earnest olive
#

4 digits?

#

nice

little osprey
#

off by 1 💀💀💀

#

1000 gpu mining operation

earnest olive
#

found rommy's farm

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south cliff
#

cinnamon toast cruch best cereal

earnest olive
#

4 digits indeed

little osprey
#

7 million monthly LOL

south cliff
#

7 million

#

????????????

little osprey
#

HOW

earnest olive
#

they are all HP pavilions

south cliff
#

Very giga chad

little osprey
earnest olive
#

@high yew "still debating on getting a 280 aio for top instead of 360 front" as an aesthetic choice?

#

top mount vs. front mount is seriously overblown

#

your system is fine as is

#

if it's as an aesthetic choice sure, but there's no functional justification for such a switch

#

switching from front intake to top exhaust will net you slightly lower gpu temps and slightly higher cpu temps

#

and going from 360 to 280 will also net you slightly higher cpu temps

#

but it's not a huge deal either way

high yew
# earnest olive <@851579194424950815> "still debating on getting a 280 aio for top instead of 36...

280 top to also increase life expectancy of the aio to make the air go into the top of the rad and flatten out, but the way i have it right now w my 360 is good too so whatever, was debating because w the case i got i don’t have any dust filters for the front 360 and that’s where majority of dust comes from. my top two fans i have as intakes right now but those may be switched to exhausts i haven’t decided

earnest olive
#

sigh

#

that GN video again

high yew
#

but like i had asked earlier, you said if i dust it out every now and then it’s fine

earnest olive
#

it's seriously overblown

#

no reason to buy a new aio to switch

high yew
#

no no, i watched jayz explain it, i didn’t get the gn video at all lmfaoo

earnest olive
#

oh yikes

high yew
#

said some are just better but whatever

earnest olive
#

please don't watch jayz for anything remotely informational

high yew
#

why’s that LMAO

earnest olive
#

you'd be better off asking an AI chatbot

high yew
#

just doesn’t provide good info or?

earnest olive
#

he's often very aggressively wrong

high yew
#

it’s misleading?

earnest olive
#

lol

high yew
#

ahhh gotcha LOL

#

okay fair enough. linus tech tips then)

#

those reliable guys?

earnest olive
#

hit and miss

little osprey
#

THEYRE OK

#

oops caps

#

mostly for entertainment tho

earnest olive
#

linus is more of a techertainment channel than an info channel

#

they've also been terribly wrong about some things

desert gulch
#

Jayztwobraincells

earnest olive
#

one of our members here was a victim of their misinformation

#

damaged his cpu because he trusted LTT

desert gulch
#

Usmus?

earnest olive
#

yeah

desert gulch
#

Mhmm

earnest olive
#

LTT endorsed 1usmus's malware saying it was a free performance boost for ryzen

desert gulch
#

Did he have a hyper 212?

earnest olive
#

and never went back on it

high yew
#

oh interesting. who’s good to watch then, information wise?

desert gulch
#

Gamers Nexus is decent

earnest olive
#

if you want good sources of information on youtube, you're looking at gamer's nexus, hardware unboxed, and (mostly for SFF info) optimum tech

stoic island
#

buildzoid for vrm things

earnest olive
#

buildzoid is incredibly niche and has about zero overlap with the audiences for linus tech tips and jayztwocents lol

stoic island
#

everything else incredibly niche

desert gulch
#

Der8auer is good too, but he doesn't have much info that pertains to the average consumer

earnest olive
#

buildzoid does motherboard roundups?

#

i've mostly seen HWUB motherboard roundups

stoic island
#

He takes a look at all the new boards when they get announced

earnest olive
#

derbauser is pretty much just overclocking content

stoic island
#

hwunboxed tends to be the first to actually test the vrms though

earnest olive
#

i can't lie i've never had the patience to make it through a buildzoid video

high yew
desert gulch
#

The Terk also makes good videos

earnest olive
high yew
#

LMAO

#

just put it outside and have at it?

earnest olive
#

i have an open case, so no dust filtering to be had

#

no

stoic island
#

Most buildzoid vids are too long and niche

earnest olive
#

indoors

#

it's a mini leaf blower

#

but it moves a whole lot of air

stoic island
#

good for sleeping

earnest olive
#

i've gotten it to register key presses on my keyboard

#

yeah, i've fallen asleep to buildzoid twice

#

not even joking

high yew
#

oh boy. so just open panels and blow? lol

earnest olive
#

yup

high yew
#

that’s funny as he double hockey sticks

#

can’t say it ;-;

earnest olive
#

i don't think that's filtered here

potent portal
earnest olive
#

yeah

high yew
#

i’m not gonna test bc i’ll get kicked ahaaa

earnest olive
#

HWUB definitely has much better presentation

stoic island
#

hwunboxed is more condensed

earnest olive
#

my keyboard has 63.5g actuation force switches and my leaf blower can press them down from a distance of 1 ft lol

stoic island
#

they go in with a script, bz just rambles

high yew
#

god forbid i can find any info online, however i got two 120’s on the top of my case as intakes, are those supposed to stay as said intakes or should i switch em to exhausts?

earnest olive
#

switch to exhausts definitely

stoic island
#

top should be exhaust

#

hot air goes up

earnest olive
#

top intakes just mess up your whole case airflow because, well, heat rises

high yew
#

sounds good, i’ll do that before i power it on today

earnest olive
#

you're just blowing the heat from your gpu back down

#

instead of facilitating its exit from the case

high yew
#

true true, thanks man

earnest olive
#

at least personally, i'm not recommending a video that i can't make it through myself

#

i do be from the zoomer generation

#

😔

stoic island
#

I can stand it, so I'll help recommending it

desert gulch
earnest olive
#

sometimes i can't get through a GN video lol

#

liberal use of skipping

#

just skip to each graph

stoic island
#

GN does take getting used to

desert gulch
#

He's this one YouTuber

stoic island
#

and skipping around tends to give you the info you need

desert gulch
#

Has like 150k subs

#

But HE USES THE PSU TIER LIST

stoic island
#

o

desert gulch
#

But then makes meh reccomendations elsewhere

stoic island
#

rip

potent portal
#

Sounds like every other channel to me

earnest olive
#

case tier list when?

#

nzxt h510 S tier

fossil cedar
potent portal
#

GN does that every year

fossil cedar
#

Think they mean similar to psu tier list on cultists

#

I might make one if I'm bored and remember

desert gulch
#

Plus ak620, lf2, ek aio

#

I feel like he's definitely way above average

#

Fuma 2 even

potent portal
desert gulch
#

True

#

But I know of so many channels who see gold psu and instantly reccomend

#

Even tho it's crap

quasi stone
#

my pc is turning on but my monitor isnt i dont know why

potent portal
#

Is this a new computer or one that's been running?

cyan ravine
#

into the graphics card?

untold beacon
#

Hey guys

#

I need a little bit of help

#

So I keep trying to exit the BIOs and it’s not letting me

#

Any clues how to fix it

potent portal
#

F10 should be save and exit

#

If it's stuck just turn it off after saving. Power button should be instant off.

untold beacon
#

Alright

earnest olive
#

what do you mean by it's not letting you? is it just going back to bios? or does exit not work

untold beacon
#

So after I click exit it just sends me right back into the BIOS

potent portal
#

Ah so it's in a loop

earnest olive
#

i believe that's usually caused by no storage device detected

untold beacon
#

And even after turning the power supply off and on it’s still the same thing

#

Alright

earnest olive
#

that happens to me when i do a boot test with no storage attached intentionally

#

is it a new build?

#

if it's an existing build, perhaps you knocked a sata cable loose while doing something inside the pc

untold beacon
#

Yes

earnest olive
#

ah

untold beacon
#

It’s a new build

earnest olive
#

yeah, check if the bios is detecting any storage device

#

if not reseat them

untold beacon
#

Alright

#

It’s detecting the SSD

earnest olive
#

that's odd

potent portal
#

It's probably not detecting a bootloader then

#

Do you have an install USB ready?

untold beacon
#

I just got it out

#

I’m about to get it ready to go

#

I realized that

#

That may be the problem

earnest olive
#

normally if a storage device is detected with no OS installed it'll boot to a black screen that says insert boot device and reboot

#

instead of back to bios

#

well, just try installing OS on it and see how it goes

potent portal
#

If the drive isn't initialized maybe it behaves different

#

Or just different brand behavior

untold beacon
#

I mean it’s a 980 ssd

potent portal
#

Regular or Pro?

untold beacon
#

Regular

potent portal
#

Yeah so it shouldn't care what slot it's in

flint sapphire
#

try switching boot modes if youre on uefi to csm 👀

untold beacon
#

It says it detects a storage device

earnest olive
#

just try installing OS

untold beacon
#

How?

earnest olive
flint sapphire
earnest olive
#

select boot override to the usb if you must

untold beacon
#

I plugged it in but it’s not doing anything

earnest olive
#

but it's usually not necessary

#

you have to reboot with the usb plugged in

untold beacon
#

Well so far nothing has worked that you have said to do

potent portal
#

Maybe updating bios would help in this case

#

What model motherboard is it?

untold beacon
#

Z-590

#

Msi carbon gaming

potent portal
#

wifi or no

untold beacon
#

Ye

#

It has Wi-Fi

potent portal
#

What version of bios is it on currently

untold beacon
#

5

#

The number on the top left where it says bios

#

Right?

potent portal
#

I'm looking for more like 7D06v12

#

Should be on the main info screen

#

The last 2 digits are the only ones that change

untold beacon
#

E7D06IMS.130

#

It says bios version right by that

potent portal
#

Ok what about bios date

untold beacon
#

4/12/2021

south cliff
#

pretty outdated

potent portal
#

Ok so you're on v13

south cliff
#

Also can i ask a question rq

potent portal
#

Sure

untold beacon
#

How am I supposed to download that on my pc when I’m on my phone

potent portal
#

Do you have a usb adapter for your phone

south cliff
#

ok so i got my 12600k for 231 yesterday and i have been looking at videos and some peopl esay that you shouldnt buy 12th gen so late in the year

untold beacon
#

Idk

#

Lemme look

potent portal
south cliff
#

yeah thats what i was thinking

#

but just wondering becasue it backiaclly only have 6 cores for gaming

#

and e cores dont really do anyhting for games

potent portal
#

12 p core threads is more than enough, especially since the e cores will handle background tasks

#

Most modern games will use 4, maybe 6 threads

south cliff
#

yeah i will prob just play cod

#

becaseu rn it really stuttery when on top of prison

potent portal
#

That's memory latency

south cliff
#

well most of the time i drop fps

potent portal
#

Overclocking the memory helps a lot with stuttering and 1% lows

south cliff
#

well i got a b365m mortor rn

#

and a 9600k

#

gotta wait till the 12600k comes

untold beacon
#

Well

#

I’m trying a Device SelfTest on the SSD

#

So I’ll see if that’s the problem or not

#

So far it’s at 2%

#

Now 3%

flint sapphire
#

do you have windows installed?

untold beacon
#

No

potent portal
#

If you don't have an adapter for your phone or another system you can use a friend's computer or library computer

south cliff
#

Also are you supposed to reinstall windows after getting a new mobo and cpu?

flint sapphire
potent portal
south cliff
#

i have never ought a key for windows

#

i dont think i will low

#

lol

potent portal
#

Then you don't need to worry about that, keep doing what you're doing

#

Windows only wants you to think it needs a license

south cliff
#

so how will i reinstall windows

#

when i get everything so i know

potent portal
#

You'll want Windows 11 because e-cores, I'll grab a link to official usb creation program

south cliff
#

Thanks

untold beacon
#

Well it’s at 11% now

#

I swear if I have a bad SSD

potent portal
#

The program should guide you through making a USB

south cliff
#

i know how to do all of that

#

how do i get a fresh install

potent portal
#

Do you have everything on one drive?

south cliff
#

2

#

i got a ssd and hdd

potent portal
#

Ok, copy anything you need off your SSD to the HDD to backup the data

south cliff
#

like what

potent portal
#

Then in the windows installer you'll format the SSD and install to that

potent portal
#

Games you can always re-download

south cliff
#

i dont really need anyhting its just games and like tools

potent portal
#

Then you can skip that

south cliff
#

ok

#

what will happen if i already have windows on my ssd

potent portal
#

You'll want to format the windows partition so it wipes clean

#

Then the installer can handle it

south cliff
#

so it will aouto do it

#

?

potent portal
#

Otherwise it'll want to do an "upgrade install" and that kinda sucks

potent portal
south cliff
#

ok

potent portal
#

If for some reason that fails you just delete all the partitions on the SSD and select the empty space. There's a bug related to that, happens sometimes.

strong raft
#

6core/12threads or not, I was gonna say 12600(K) is a pretty moderate improvement from a 9600 even w/ that RX 570 dictating certain gfx related settings.

south cliff
#

im waitingn of 4000 series to upgrade

#

i thought it was 10 cores 16 threads

potent portal
#

Oh absolutely, cpu will be at least 40% better when cpu bound

potent portal
#

The non-k doesn't have e-cores

south cliff
#

yeah i got it for 231

#

12600k

desert gulch
#

Good deal

untold beacon
#

@strong raft I finally got my pc but sadly it no work because of probably the SSD or something else that I haven’t figured out yet

#

So right now I’m just doing SelfTest for the SSD

#

And then I’ll see if the SSD is good

#

So it will be done in like a hour

south cliff
#

What do yall think the next gen gpus will cost?

mossy venture
south cliff
#

like 4060 will cost like 400-500

#

im pretty sure 4060 is 3080 performance

mossy venture
#

4070 supposedly beats 3090

south cliff
#

well duh

mossy venture
#

I'm probably going to wait for gen after lovelace

#

Lovelace too power hungry

south cliff
#

should i upgrade my psu?

#

if i want next gen

mossy venture
#

Depends on what it is

south cliff
#

i got 650

mossy venture
#

Probably, but depends on what you get

south cliff
#

prob 4060

mossy venture
#

And I can't say for sure, since nothing is completely set in stone

south cliff
#

or 4060 ti

mossy venture
#

4060 I imagine will use 250w or so, so you should be fine

desert gulch
#

If 4060ti even exists lol

south cliff
#

4090 is 600 wats

south cliff
mossy venture
#

Indeed

south cliff
#

thats a bomb

potent portal
#

Which is still insane

strong raft
potent portal
#

But the price will be higher than that

strong raft
#

Plus, people forget the difference between NVidia/AIB and what that's like regarding pricing usually.

mossy venture
#

My next upgrade will probably be 14th gen, depending on release date

#

That or 7000 series

obsidian wigeon
#

we can't assume the name of skus yet tbh

#

it's just all die names rn

mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
#

lol

#

but with my guesstimation

#

"4090" is probably gonna use AD102

#

100 is only limited to their datacenter stuff

mossy venture
#

Theyre using gddr7, right? Or samsungs super fast g6

obsidian wigeon
#

uh no

#

gddr7 isn't even a thing

#

and ada is scheduled to launch somewhere in september this year

#

so i'd guess they're gonna use the faster g6

#

no way they're gonna use hbm

mossy venture
#

Thought g7 was in development

#

Must've heard wrong

obsidian wigeon
#

if it is, it wouldn't come out this early imo

mossy venture
#

Ah

obsidian wigeon
#

ddr5 just came out to consumers not too long ago

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
#

gddr5 is based on ddr3, 6 on 4 and so on

mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
#

logically speaking, gddr7 will have to take a while to come out

mossy venture
#

I've been fanboying over 6000 series for the last 6 months

potent portal
#

Oh I thought you were skipping a gen

mossy venture
#

Intel releases cpus yearly

#

Amd tends to not from what I know

potent portal
#

We'll see. Personally I'd skip the first gen on any platform.

#

At least most of the critical problems with 12th gen are fixed by now

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
#

possibly

potent portal
#

On a related note DDR6 is supposed to be 12800 MT

earnest olive
#

jesus that's a lot of bandwidth

potent portal
#

GDDR6+ is supposed to come first, before GDDR7

#

According to Samsung

earnest olive
#

is that actual new tech or just their competitor to gddr6x

potent portal
#

The new GDDR standard that is supposed to arrive is GDDR6+, which bumps the speed from 18,000 MT/s to 24,000 MT/s. Node of choice for GDDR6+ will be 1z nm, and the Korean giant wants to start manufacturing these modules this month.

#

This was back in November

#

Ooh

After this, the company's roadmaps show that the GDDR7 standard will replace GDDR6+ and offer rates of 32,000 MT/s. With GDDR7, there will also be a new feature present called "real-time error protection feature," which is still unknown. Presumably, it is some form of ECC for GDDR or something similar.

obsidian wigeon
#

it is faster than gddr6x

#

afaik

earnest olive
#

okay 24000 is a bit faster than g6x yeah

obsidian wigeon
#

the g6+

earnest olive
#

g6x original spec is 19000

little osprey
#

yo guys

#

i need help

obsidian wigeon
#

help on what?

#

ask away

earnest olive
#

g6 is already catching up to g6x

little osprey
#

my gf finally wants a pc but she dosent have the monney soo she wants to buy a pre build pc

obsidian wigeon
#

g6x becoming trash lol

earnest olive
#

wonder why they don't just call g6+ g7 and bump g7 to g8

potent portal
#

jfc

The base speed for DDR6 modules will allegedly arrive at 12,800 MT/s, while overclocking modules will join the party at up to 17,000 MT/s. Mobile-oriented LPDDR6 version is also supposed to come with up to 17,000 MT/s speeds.

obsidian wigeon
#

well

earnest olive
#

bigger number better for marketing no?

obsidian wigeon
#

cause g6+ isn't based on ddr5

earnest olive
little osprey
#

soo she wanna pay on payments any good pre build pc

obsidian wigeon
#

jedec won't let that happen

earnest olive
potent portal
earnest olive
#

gddr4 and gddr5 were both based on ddr3

obsidian wigeon
#

that's actually called ddr4

little osprey
#

2.5k

earnest olive
#

no

#

there was a gddr4

#

it only existed on a few cards before being replaced

obsidian wigeon
#

last i remember gddr4 was based on ddr2

earnest olive
#

but there is precedent for 2 gddr versions being based on the same ddr version

little osprey
#

yea ik custom pc are better and cheaper is just the grapic cards rn they are expensive

earnest olive
#

it's not, but even if it wasn't that wouldn't change my point

#

graphics card prices are practically back to normal and prebuilts have also increased prices

obsidian wigeon
#

ah

earnest olive
#

you've got some outdated info

obsidian wigeon
#

well i was wrong

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
#

gddr4 was indeed based on ddr3

earnest olive
#

but yes, wanting to pay in installments is a valid reason to buy a prebuilt i suppose

little osprey
#

thats not a bad deal tbh but she dosent have monney and she wanna do payments

earnest olive
obsidian wigeon
#

ye

#

i get it

earnest olive
#

maybe they regret the number deviation or something lol

obsidian wigeon
#

lol

#

could be the case

earnest olive
#

right now my pc has a gpu with g6x and a gpu with g3

#

😳

#

blessed SLI setup

#

ddr2 moment

little osprey
#

dang

obsidian wigeon
#

i don't understand why lots of people and even oems mixes gddr3 with ddr3

#

like that's still two different things

#

gddr3 is like from ddr2 age

earnest olive
#

no this card has legit gddr3 lol

mossy venture
#

She can spend that much on a pc but doesn't have the money to build her own?

#

Huh

earnest olive
#

if you have to pay in installments you probably should not be spending 2.5k on a pc

obsidian wigeon
#

i know sips

little osprey
#

shes doing payments

obsidian wigeon
#

im just saying how something like

untold beacon
#

Well guys couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it it wouldn’t even let me use the ssd as a boot up but oh well

obsidian wigeon
#

gt 730 ddr3 gets called gddr3

untold beacon
#

I’ll figure it out tomorrow

mossy venture
#

You have both the sata and pcie power cable plugged in?

earnest olive
#

2.5k is way into the diminishing returns range, you shouldn't be spending 2.5k on a pc unless you have tons of spare money

obsidian wigeon
#

even my 850m gets called gddr3 sometimes

#

it's just weird

earnest olive
#

your 850m is stronger than this gpu i think

#

lmao

obsidian wigeon
#

yep

#

it is

little osprey
#

hey guys whats a 5700xt equivalent too

mossy venture
earnest olive
#

a gt 1030 is 5 times more powerful than this card

obsidian wigeon
#

imma guess it's..

mossy venture
earnest olive
obsidian wigeon
#

r7 240

earnest olive
#

r5 240 oem

untold beacon
#

No I didn’t

obsidian wigeon
#

oh

#

r5

little osprey
#

ohok

obsidian wigeon
#

jeez

mossy venture
untold beacon
#

Because I don’t have a hard drive or a graphics card

mossy venture
#

You didn't have both of those cables plugged in

obsidian wigeon
#

that thing is probably a rebrand of rebrand

mossy venture
#

I didn't mean pcie

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Sorry

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Sata power cable

earnest olive
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yeah i just checked your gtx 850m is 5 times stronger than this gpu

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lol

mossy venture
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Is it a sata ssd or nvme ssd?

earnest olive
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i tried playing some games on it

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it went hilariously poorly

obsidian wigeon
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it's essentially a display adapter

mossy venture
earnest olive
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you know a graphics card is bad when it can't even run league of legends

obsidian wigeon
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kek

untold beacon
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It’s a sad

mossy venture
untold beacon
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Solid state drive

mossy venture
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Yes...

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Sata or nvme

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Is it in the motherboard

earnest olive
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it's at 30% usage running a not very complex animated wallpaper at 600x1024 15 fps

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and using 0.8/1.0gb of its vram

mossy venture
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Or is it a 2.5in rectangle

untold beacon
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Pretty sure it’s nvme

potent portal
earnest olive
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he has a samsung 980

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it's nvme

mossy venture
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Alr

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What mobo and cpu?

earnest olive
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look at this amazing fan speed

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my pc is generating lift

obsidian wigeon
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oh yes

mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
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gpu flying

mossy venture
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Helicopter

potent portal
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Helos got nothing on that rpm

obsidian wigeon
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now slap remote control on it

little osprey
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hey fal

obsidian wigeon
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a let it rip

untold beacon
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I9 11900k and a MSI Z-590 gaming carbon

mossy venture
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Odd

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Can you return the ssd/get it replaced?

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Or test it in another pc?

little osprey
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hey guys whats your opinion on this pc she sent it to me

mossy venture
earnest olive
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LMAO

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WHAT IS THATY

mossy venture
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Just from reading the cpu

earnest olive
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2200 FOR A 6600XT 😭

untold beacon
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I mean maybe

little osprey
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ik

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XD

mossy venture
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Oh hell nah

untold beacon
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I’ll see

obsidian wigeon
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cyberpoopy

earnest olive
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this thing is worth about half the asking price

mossy venture
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That pc should cost 1.1k max

obsidian wigeon
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just get an abs prebuilt

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and jesus that thing has 5700g

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cringe