#building-and-recc-chat

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earnest olive
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the higher radeon products are good enough

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just not that one

bright notch
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Oh okay. Well, the one I was really looking at Radeon 6600xt at around $600, but he said it was too high.

earnest olive
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you can look at a 6500xt when it's at msrp of $200, but even then there are generally better used options

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$600 is a bit steep

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try r/hardwareswap

bright notch
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Well, the price of it just dropped to around $400

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I just doubled checked

earnest olive
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$400 isn't bad

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where is this?

bright notch
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Newegg. Well, it is about $450

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but still.

earnest olive
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decent

bright notch
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It is closer to the price I actual want it to be.

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actually*

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welp, it is out of stock now

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Well, I found another one near $450

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mmm, any recommended pre-built PCs?

desert gulch
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Abs systems are nice

earnest olive
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if you can build it yourself, it is better to

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otherwise, yes, check out ABS

bright notch
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I like to keep my options open.

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but thanks.

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I heard about Apex Gaming's prebuilt PCs through a video ad. Are they any good?

desert gulch
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Meh

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Their quality may be decent but their value is horrendous

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@earnest olive check this out lol

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That 1256 gets you a 3100 on a a320

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And no complimentary peripherals or anything

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That's pretty damn bad value

jagged ember
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what the hell

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that's not in any way bang for your buck

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it's more like, bang for your entire wallet

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poof for your buck

bright notch
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So basically they are ripping people off

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gotcha.

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I forgot where I saw that ad. It was one of those gaming channels on YouTube.

mossy venture
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Apex pcs are terrible

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I tried telling people in the comments of someone sponsored by them that

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They wouldn't listen even after I linked other pcs lol

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Just "I can't build it myself" even tho im linking pre builts

bright notch
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lol what?

mossy venture
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Theyre aimed to take advantage of people who've no clue anything about pcs and literal children

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Terrible marketing strategy, but it gets them their money I guess...

bright notch
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Why wasn't that guy listen to your recommendations? I mean if I find a PC that has same or better specs than Apex, I ain't gonna buy it from Apex.

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for a better price

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but I have seen a lot of ABS builts on Newegg tho

mossy venture
bright notch
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Probs

mossy venture
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It was a minecraft youtuber, so it would make sense

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About half a year ago I think

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Smthn like that

little osprey
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Apex PCs are the greatest, the apex of garbage 🤓

bright notch
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🤣

earnest olive
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they're delusional

little osprey
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my god

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worse than the wanna-be businessmen pedaling their bottom of the barrel sandybridge xeon machines on ebay

desert gulch
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exactly

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gotta love how they literally have athlons in these systems

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for $1k+ thats delusional

restive halo
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Whats up guys? Gotta guy that wants a $500 build based around a 5700g

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thoughts?

earnest olive
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server?

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workstation?

desert gulch
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a $35 a520?

restive halo
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I think he is going to use it for a server. He has like 10 tb bay he is putting with it

earnest olive
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hope he doesn't use much cpu load lol

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that mobo is gonna have fun

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ehh maybe it'll be ok with downdraft cooler

fossil cedar
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3600cl16 is better than 4000cl18 plus you'll be able to run it in 1t instead of 2t, and it's 7$ cheaper, asrock 12th gen is decent budget options from what I've seen

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Plus the sub timings are 22 22 42 so it's not like it's actually significantly better

frank stirrup
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and if hes using it for server and running linux, cut off the ssd for better motherboard

fossil cedar
fossil cedar
frank stirrup
fossil cedar
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Ofc ofc

restive halo
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Nothing was bought it was a deal I found

runic flare
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700W psu enough for a 3070 OC, i9 10850k, 32gb 3600mhz ram?

frank stirrup
runic flare
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Cleared CMOS now boot and VGA light up, what's the issue?

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Monitors receive no signal

stoic island
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Lots of possibilities, pointing to gpu atm

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Might want to check 24pin and reseat gpu

runic flare
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Have had issues in the past of monitors randomly disconnecting, so gpu has been bugging

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Possibly faulty GPU?

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Should I contact for replacement

stoic island
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possible but might as well go through a bit more random troubleshooting and see if it helps

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take out all ram sticks other than a stick in slot 2, just clear cmos with jumper to make it go quickly, and see if that helps

runic flare
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Thx

fossil cedar
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@runic flare make sure all the power connectors are connected and i would try boot with the gpu out of the pc as well using the igpu to make sure it is/is not the gpu

fossil cedar
mossy venture
fossil cedar
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Ohh ffs amazon being weird didn't see that

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It was 39 this morning idk if Amazon being weird or pcpp being weird

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Fixed

mossy venture
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That makes more sense lol

stoic island
fossil cedar
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Otherwise would have

stoic island
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Sad, but maybe v5

fossil cedar
stoic island
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Fractal g sad

fossil cedar
stoic island
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Just sad to use

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Not great airflow, front dust filter is thicc as heck

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Everything feels tight

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Drive cages annoying

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Front io cluster is annoying (barely reaches)

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Fan mounting is really weird

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It's just sad times, usable, but annoying

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I bought some 140mm fans that used centered 120mm mounting, didn't fit the holes, is mounted sideways with a hole through the focus g

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I bought some p14s, didn't fit mounting holes on the front

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P14 didn't fit mounting holes on the bottom either, with removed drive cage, it was just sad

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I've put many holes into the mesh on each side of the focus g

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And many zipties to fit the fans

fossil cedar
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Rip

stoic island
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@fossil cedar you can see how my top fans are slanted so they fit one hole

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fossil cedar
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Sadge

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@plain bison ask your questions here, #tech-deals is only for post a deal

light anchor
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hey guys, i want to ask you for advice.
i am looking at two laptops, asus tuf 1650 i5 9300 8 gb ram and 500 gb ssd
and the msi gf63 it 10300 1650 8 gigs of ram and 256 gb ssd
which one would you recommend

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i5*

fossil cedar
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What country, price budget and use is there for the laptop?

light anchor
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lebanon, around $750, and I'm a CS student

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soooo

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I am kinda lost

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please help me 😦

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@fossil cedar

fossil cedar
light anchor
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my budget only fits these two options or something similar to them. if you were to choose between them, which one would you choose and why?

fossil cedar
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Is there no options with 16gb ram? :(

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If those 2 are the only options, 10300 + 1650

light anchor
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i can upgrade the ram right away so that is not a problem

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thank you

fossil cedar
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No problem

fleet pagoda
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What parts should i get budget 1.7k-2k white or red theme.

mossy venture
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I'd put a list together but I'm clocking into work in 5min

fading elbow
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What do I need to look for in:
Motherboards
Liquid cooling systems for cpus
Cases

stoic island
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Mobo is a bit hard to say, I'll list list features, but they're complicated
Mobo:
VRMs, IO, Debug LEDs, post code
AIO:
Performance
Case:
Performance, Cooler support (Top mount radiator if possible, front mount, and air cooler height), hardware support (mainly drive cages)

fading elbow
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What’s a good brand to start with for mobos

stoic island
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don't go by brand

fossil cedar
stoic island
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every brand makes good and trash boards

frank stirrup
fading elbow
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Well, idk where to start and what I should be looking for

stoic island
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for what CPU

frank stirrup
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Give us the budget and pato will tell u what parts to buy

fossil cedar
fossil cedar
frank stirrup
fossil cedar
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lol

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poor mr1111

frank stirrup
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Lol

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U are the pcpp techie tho

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Thats like ur 1 job

stoic island
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lol

fossil cedar
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lmao

stoic island
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seems like I have to take back my position

fossil cedar
frank stirrup
fossil cedar
stoic island
frank stirrup
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I dunno

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Someone recommend me to do it

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Just passing the message along

stoic island
fossil cedar
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lol

stoic island
fossil cedar
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woops

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done

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i wanted it and just gloating

stoic island
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nice

frank stirrup
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This is why hes only the pcpp techie

stoic island
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GPUs staying in stock for longer = time to make standardized pcpp lists

fossil cedar
fading elbow
stoic island
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9700k 10700k 11700k 12700k?

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3 different platforms across 4 generations, just Intel things...

fading elbow
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Either 12 or 11th gen

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And I ain’t spending more than 3 thousand

frank stirrup
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Bruh

stoic island
fading elbow
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I’m only asking because I made a custom build online for $2800 with a 3080 ti and it felt too good to be true

stoic island
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You can do a 3080ti build for 2000$ assuming fe pricing

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Maybe even less

fossil cedar
stoic island
fossil cedar
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hmm yeah possibly

stoic island
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Oh and it doesn't include the 5$ brackets from Amazon

fossil cedar
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doable but very cutdown ye

stoic island
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Need 80$ more and you can slap in 2x16 3600c16

fossil cedar
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Yeah

stoic island
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But it does work for 800$

fossil cedar
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Btw b660 prime atx is exact same price

stoic island
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Being lazy because mobile

fossil cedar
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Smh most of my pcpp is mobile

stoic island
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Smh I usually take time when I'm on laptop

fossil cedar
little osprey
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filters are such a W on desktop

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or laptop

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it’s so hard to sort results on mobile quickly

stoic island
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Yea

fading elbow
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Here’s the one I put together

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fossil cedar
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Ouch the 3080 ti price

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Also 80+ rating has nothing to do woth quality

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Also that aio id meh at best btw def not enough for a 12700k

viral ore
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wow 4 free case fans

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🙄

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at that point just get a prebuilt off newegg

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thats basically all that is

fading elbow
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It won’t even let me change the aio

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Yeah prebuilt is probably better
I can always upgrade it later, right?

viral ore
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ordering the parts yourself is the better option

frigid night
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Or does it just need a new bracket?

viral ore
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you can get a 6900xt for 1500 rn

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then the rest of the parts considerably cheaper

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also i doubt you even need a 12700k

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12600 would be enough

frigid night
viral ore
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none

frigid night
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In what cases would I really need an i7?

viral ore
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unless you playing a game that goes absolutley ham with threads

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which i think theres like 3 or 4 that do

frigid night
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Ok.

viral ore
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i havent looked at your list, i was just replying to @fading elbow

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btw

frigid night
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Oh, it wasn't my list.

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I was just pointing out what I saw on there.

viral ore
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ok

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wasnt sure if you were getting help from mr1111

frigid night
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I was just butting into your convo, because I currently have the i7 in my cart

viral ore
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yeah its kinda a bit much for gaming in general

frigid night
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I would like to get into software development. Would that benefit having an i7 over i5?

viral ore
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you get the additional boost clock speed, but its not a whole lot more

fading elbow
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Oh my god I put in the filters and all of the desktops are at least $4000

viral ore
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running an IDE takes hardly any processing power

frigid night
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Ok

viral ore
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unless you think youre gonna be nonstop, constantly compiling C

frigid night
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I think what pushed me to the i7 was that I wanted to play 2 games at once.

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Idr now. I've been researching so much about pc and building that some of what I looked at is now jumbled mess in my brain lol

fading elbow
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And there’s so many of these veltstorm ones

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I can probably find cheaper ones on best buy

frigid night
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Soo

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With best buy. That was the route I was going with, but

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I decided it was only $500 more to build my own pc with none of the issues best buy pcs have

viral ore
frigid night
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Plus like 2 or 3x better gpu/cpu

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R7 5600? And 3060 ti was going to cost $2k. Build my own with 12 gen i7 and 6900 xt will cost me 2.5k

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Plus i get adequate airflow and cooling.

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Which is the issues with almost all the best buy prebuilts.

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Plus their software issues.

stoic island
frigid night
fading elbow
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I made this

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What does it mean needs additional mounting?

fading elbow
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MSI Aegis RS (Tower) Gaming Desktop, Intel Core i7-12700K, GeForce RTX 3080, 32GB Memory (Dual-CHL), 1TB SSD + 2TB HDD, WiFi 6E, Liquid Cooling, USB Type-C, VR-Ready, Win11H (12TE-257US) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MSL5B7G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_AZMZ343A3ME0A4PYTQKD

MSI Aegis RS (Tower) Gaming Desktop, Intel Core i7-12700K, GeForce ...

MSI Aegis RS (Tower) Gaming Desktop, Intel Core i7-12700K, GeForce RTX 3080, 32GB Memory (Dual-CHL), 1TB SSD + 2TB HDD, WiFi 6E, Liquid Cooling, USB Type-C, VR-Ready, Win11H (12TE-257US)

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Is this a good one?

little osprey
fading elbow
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The ABS on newegg were really expensive

little osprey
fading elbow
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Damn
Other than the cpus it seems nice

vague oracle
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Huh? Those CPUs are some of the best out there rn

spring hedge
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should i get a rtx 3080 or a 6900xt?

fading elbow
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Hmmm
I though that the Ryzens didn’t perform as well as the Intel ones

viral ore
vague oracle
fading elbow
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I apologize for all of this
This is my first time building a gaming pc so I don’t know what I should pick

vague oracle
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Ryzen still hasn’t released their new line of CPUs yet

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What’s your budget?

fading elbow
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Under 3000 is optimal but I’m willing to go up

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I still think the msi one I linked is nice
I think it’s upgradeable

vague oracle
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Basically the same as the MSI one you linked except $900 cheaper

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Only has 16gb of ram but you can always add more if you feel like you need it

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And only 1TB of storage but like the ram, you can always add more for pretty cheap

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As in 2Tb HDD for ~$50

fading elbow
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Other than the gpu it seems fine
I really want a 3080 or 3080 ti

vague oracle
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Ahh I missed that, thought it was a 3080

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Personally I trust ABS a lot more than MSI with prebuilts

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Also with this one you get a bit more airflow than the MSI one

fading elbow
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That one is a bit more expensive but it seems nice
I like it

mossy venture
mossy venture
fading elbow
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Yeah I would play at 2k with the 3080

mossy venture
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also the ABS one has better ram

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both more and better ram

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power supply is unnamed in the msi build as far as i can tell

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as well as the motherboard

fading elbow
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I put the second one in my cart

hexed stirrup
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So I just copped a 12400 from microcenter but that used majority of my cash rn does anyone have any like suggested mobos that are decent and won't break the bank

mossy venture
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b660 prime

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130$

viral ore
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12400 draws like no power

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so you can realistically get the cheapest b660 you can find

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theres an asrock board on newegg for 95

hexed stirrup
mossy venture
mossy venture
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and a 4p 2 e core

viral ore
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?

mossy venture
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i basically want a 12105 with 4p cores and 2 e cores

hexed stirrup
mossy venture
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so its performance doesnt tank

potent portal
mossy venture
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is that required?

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or just what theyve done

potent portal
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Without a major topology change to rearrange the die, it's required

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They've got it so 4 of them fit in the space the normal cores take

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I suppose you could put 4 and fuse off 2 but the yields on those e-cores is pretty decent so not much point

mossy venture
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ahh

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how would 2 p cores 4 e cores compare to 4 p cores?

potent portal
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It would come down to frequency and cache, but that would be a weird layout with basically a 3 core design (but one core split into 4)

mossy venture
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right, didnt think about that

potent portal
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3p and 4e should be possible

mossy venture
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thatd be a weird cpu itself, ignoring layout lol

potent portal
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Right, and that's probably why they haven't done these layouts. The ones they have are pretty logical.

vague oracle
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fading elbow
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I already picked the second one you sent
But thanks for the extra info

spring hedge
mossy venture
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unless youre deadset on the ram, id change it to 3600c16 g.skill ripjaws for cheaper

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other than that it looks fine

grim fog
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Bios and Device Manger recognizes my new 970 Evo Plus but I can't find it as a storage device. Google hasn't helped much

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Anyone might know what's going on? I imagine it's something simple but idk. The m.2 drivers in the device manager are up to date.

mossy canopy
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@potent portal Just curious on your thoughts about this build? I’m positive this is what I’d like just curious about windows 11 and GPU now that it’s outta stock

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Or anyones opinion built for trading and big programs running

south kite
south kite
obsidian wigeon
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It doesn't automatically do it

mossy canopy
south kite
mossy canopy
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Okay thank you just running 4 monitors I will be running discord audio zoom video and 3-4 trading programs that needs TONS of data to run at least that’s what I’m told.

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Tryna stay within the same budget but still get 6-8 GB

vague oracle
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I’d go for a 3070 or something like that then at minimum 32Gb of ram

mossy canopy
obsidian wigeon
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nope

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it doesn't

south kite
obsidian wigeon
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in games it does tho

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also that aio sucks

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enermax lol

south kite
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Nah it’s fine. Not the best but it will do the job.

obsidian wigeon
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could do liquid freezer ii instead

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it's not even much more expensive

south kite
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I like liquid freezer

obsidian wigeon
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but performs like one of the best

south kite
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Just getting a starting point

mossy canopy
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What’s AIO ENERMAX?

south kite
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Your Newegg build didn’t have a cpu cooler

mossy canopy
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Oh NVM I over looked it

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Yeah cause the case has 4 fans in it I didn’t think I would need more

south kite
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You have to have a cooler for the cpu

mossy canopy
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3 in the front and 1 in the back

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Oh! See glad you are all here cause I in a sense have no clue

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Also ryzen and intel preferred choice or prove. Facts as far as speed?

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Proven*

potent portal
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As of today 12th gen intel is king on almost everything

south kite
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Intel has as good or better performance and better price

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If you decide to go AMD you’ll have a headache with DDR 4000

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Nothing needs over DDR4 3600

frigid night
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I mean like is it good ram to OC?

mossy canopy
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Gotcha the 4000 I thought helped with speed so I was like okay I’ll take another 400 from the 3600

south kite
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For DDR4, 3600 is the sweet spot for price and performance

mossy canopy
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Ohhh it’s not plug and play? I was going to spend the money to have Newegg assemble it cause I don’t wanna break anything lol never done this before

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Also I heard of overclocking stuff I don’t plan on it unless it’s a must cause well, I don’t know how to do it lol

frigid night
south kite
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No, RAM above 2133(JDEC) is overclocked. You have to enable XMP/DOCP in bios. AMD RAM speed is directly tied to its FCLK(infinity fabric). The infinity fabric has a limit of how fast it can go. Once it gets above a certain point it’s unstable OR goes from 1:1 to 1:2 ratio actually reducing performance

frigid night
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There are some good youtubers out there who explain the process thoroughly.

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I was having a bit of anxiety about putting one together, but after watching even 1 vid, that anxiety went away.

potent portal
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Jedec goes up to 3200

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For ddr4

mossy canopy
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Okay sweet

potent portal
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They're right though, if you have an amd processor 3600 is the sweet spot, preferably c16

frank stirrup
south kite
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Yes, but typically without enabling xmp it’s going to be 2133

frank stirrup
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No

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It can be any one of these

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potent portal
south kite
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Interesting, learned something new

frank stirrup
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Mine default to 2666

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My older sticks defaulted to 2133

vague oracle
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Mine default to 2933

earnest olive
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I have sticks that default to 3200

frank stirrup
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i have sticks that default to 2400 too

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at least i think they default to 2400

vagrant badger
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Quick question. Can I plug my USB3.0 CABLE INTO THE JUSB4 port and it run my 3.0usb port?

obsidian wigeon
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Yes

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Oh wait which mobo?

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Nevermind my yes on that lol

fossil cedar
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@minor garnet if you wanna ask questions ask here, #tech-deals is only for posting tech deals

fossil cedar
glacial umbra
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is 200 usd for a 5600x a decent deal?

fossil cedar
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Yeah

little osprey
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That’s a p good deal

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new i assume

little osprey
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dang im tired, i read the "usd" as used weggUh

jovial radish
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any potential problem with using a fan splitter cable on the CPU header?

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one would be the cooler the other would be case exhaust

fossil cedar
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That's fine, they'd just be tied, personally I'd just split the chasis fan header tho

glacial umbra
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will buy then

rain pebble
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can somone give me some advice ive got a i5 114500 cpu and just got my motherboard its a gigibyte b460m it supports 10th gen intel how do i flash my bios ive never had to do it

simple olive
rain pebble
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11400

simple olive
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Look at the rear I/O and see if there is a flash bios labeled USB slot

simple olive
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Like my B550i supported my 5900x without needing to flash bios, even though the motherboard was made for 3000 series ryzen

rain pebble
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is there a way i can tell im pulling a alot of part from my current build over to the new one and dont wanna take it back apart to download the bios

potent portal
potent portal
rain pebble
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B460M DS3H AC

mossy venture
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that would be the model

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not the model number

potent portal
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Nah that works

rain pebble
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i dont have the original box its just in a genaric box from my local pc shop it was on clearance since they didnt have to box

frank stirrup
rain pebble
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i appreciate the help this is the first time ive built a system by buddy always did it for me on my previous builds

potent portal
rain pebble
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also can i flash from my ssd i cant find my flash drive ill run and get one if i need to

rain pebble
potent portal
frank stirrup
potent portal
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Below the pci slot, where it says B460M DS3H V2

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If it's V2 it does, if it doesn't say then it doesn't

rain pebble
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It just says b460m ds3h ac

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it wont let my attach a picture

potent portal
rain pebble
potent portal
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I've got bad news then...

still roostBOT
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bubbasmith1995#0401 has been warned

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potent portal
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The official list of supported cpu

rain pebble
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thanks man ill go swap it out

mossy venture
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try for a b560

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they let you run xmp on memory

fleet pagoda
fossil cedar
fleet pagoda
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I havent bought anything

fossil cedar
fleet pagoda
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1.5-1.7k

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I think what i picked was decent but could use improvement

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From someone who knows more than me

mossy venture
fleet pagoda
#

No

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Im probably just gonna buy a 1080p 165hz or 240hz monitor with it

mossy venture
#

And whatever gpu you can find for a decent price

fossil cedar
mossy venture
#

That case tho

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Nice price

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I second what pato sent lol

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Maybe add rhe x400 if you want more storage, I threw it in since you originally had 2tb ssd

fossil cedar
mossy venture
#

Wait is that heatsink enough for a 12600k? I thought it needed an aio

fleet pagoda
#

I want to play valorant mostly i was plat last time i played

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Ty guys

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Im gonna try to buy the gpu first probably gonna try to get a 60ti fe

fossil cedar
#

Good luck

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And you're welcome

fleet pagoda
#

Ty

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Those FE’s usually go first so i hope i can get it

fossil cedar
boreal veldt
#

I have a question for whomever is able to answer

#

I am getting an RX 6600 brand new this Friday and was wondering with S.A.M. active with my 5600x cpu what performance should I expect? (Also idk if this is the right spot to ask tbh)

grim wraith
#

What kind of performance are you expecting?

#

@boreal veldt

boreal veldt
#

Basically nothing crazy just an upgrade from what I have

grim wraith
#

You will see an uplift for sure coming from that

opal flower
#

Can someone help me out? Trying to build my own pc for the first time.

grim wraith
#

My buddy had a 1060 and I convinced him to finally upgrade to a 6600xt and he was blown away except he’s on a Ryzen 5 3600 cpu

grim wraith
boreal veldt
grim wraith
#

Ah I was able to help him purchase one from a shop local to me and they shipped it to him

boreal veldt
#

I should be fine with the 6600 I'm not in a hurry to go crazy just get what I can

grim wraith
#

No absolutely man it’ll definitely be a good upgrade for you! All that really matters is that you are happy with your build, ya know?

opal flower
#

Trying to make sure everything I picked out will work well together. I'm on a 1060 build and I ordered a pre-built from a company that may no longer be around much longer so deciding to do it on my own.

grim wraith
#

Or what did you pick out?

opal flower
#

GeForce RTX 3060
Corsair 5000D Airflow
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
ASUS ROG Strix B550-XE
Rosewill PMG750 80 Plus Gold Certified 750W
SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 500GB
SAMSUNG 980 M.2 2280 1TB
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Corsair LL Series CO-9050072-WW LL120 RGB
Corsair Hydro Series, iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX

grim wraith
#

All looks good to me but you need to make sure your motherboard supports two m.2 drives. I’ve seen people have issues where it’ll only register that one is installed

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If you’re going everything Corsair why not go for a Corsair power supply?

opal flower
#

2 x M.2 Sockets
1 x M.2 2242-22110 supports PCIe 4.0 x4 & SATA modes
1 x M.2 2242-22110 supports PCIe 3.0 x4 & SATA mode

Thats what it says on their website

#

I didn't even think of that, I'll check them out now

#

Could I get rid of the second SSD and use a HD for slower storage?

grim wraith
#

You can still get an SSD just don’t do a m.2 drive

boreal veldt
#

5600x is rlly good that's all I can add. I like it and would recommend it in a heartbeat

opal flower
#

Thanks, I'm having a hard time with the m.2 thing it looks like they're all m.2. Would you recommend one m.2 500gb os drive and maybe a 1tb ssd or hard drive for storage?

grim wraith
#

Do one m.2 and a SSD

jagged ember
#

it does have two m.2 sockets

#

if you can afford it and you have good reason to have your mass storage drive to be extremely fast, get both m.2 drives

#

personally I would go for a 1tb m.2 boot drive and a 2tb hard drive for mass storage

#

scale up the HDD as you see fit

#

Samsung drives are usually overpriced, I'd go for something like an Sn550, MP34, Pilot E, Sn750

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Or, you could go for basically the best gen 3 m.2 drive out there, which is the sk hynix p31 gold

#

For AIO i'd go for an arctic freezer II 120mm

little osprey
#

one of my external HDDs has a white LED on it and its blinking

#

the hard drive has also been acting weird lately and not showing up in windows but its not making any clicking noises

#

if i unplug it and plug it back in it works for a little then it just ejects itself

jovial radish
#

I cut the tabs down (not off) on I/O shield

#

they were annoying the hell outta me

#

after that the board installed perfectly lol

#

I wish all mobos would just integrate them

jagged ember
#

it could be dying

little osprey
#

Drive health was good

#

i checked yesterday in crystal disk mark

#

that’s the first thing i troubleshooted and the disk spins fine

#

no extra noises

#

i suspect it’s the USB controller

native dew
#

Just got a Seagate 4TB HDD and 2x16gb sticks awesome
All I need left is CPU, Motherboard, and GPU

patent glen
#

Will a 3070ti fe run okay with a 10400f?

viral ore
#

why wouldnt it

#

you could run a 3090 with a 3770k

strong raft
limber oyster
#

Anyone know what a whea_uncorrectable_error is?

frank stirrup
#

what cpu and what speed were u running ram at

fossil cedar
limber oyster
fossil cedar
frank stirrup
#

whea is usually ram oc big bad

#

so yeah what ram speed and what cpu

little osprey
limber oyster
fossil cedar
#

11800h?

limber oyster
#

Believe so yes

#

It's a laptop

#

RAM isn't OCed

#

And it's the stock ram that came with the laptop

#

Idk brand off the top of my head

frank stirrup
#

did u add more ram?

limber oyster
#

Nope

#

I didn't touch the ram

#

All I did was buy it without a hard drive and then I added in a 1tb gen 4 wd black NVMe. I've had it for a little over a year now

frank stirrup
#

well if it bsods with the same code more times then we can see

limber oyster
#

How can I run that if windows won't load?

frank stirrup
#

press [1] on keyboard after launching it

#

shoulda told us it doesnt boot lol

#

thought it was a crash and then restart

#

like a normal bsod

limber oyster
#

I even said I get an error code lmao

fossil cedar
#

Windows won't load

#

?

frank stirrup
limber oyster
#

Yes

fossil cedar
limber oyster
#

I went to start up repair and got the code

#

It restarted it happens again and again and again

frank stirrup
#

hmm there might be something wrong with the ram after all

#

remove a stick

limber oyster
#

Could I try system restore?

frank stirrup
#

i mean u can but this is just gonna happen again

limber oyster
#

I'm calling windows support and they're saying I need to reinstall windows lol

frank stirrup
#

because u are going to need to

limber oyster
frank stirrup
#

shouldnt need to oem saves to hwid

#

there are 2 sticks of ram in the pc right btw?

limber oyster
#

It didn't come with a hard drive

#

I ordered it w/o one

frank stirrup
#

Can you answer our questions please?

limber oyster
#

Yes there's two sticks

frank stirrup
#

ok take one out

limber oyster
frank stirrup
#

yeah there is

#

oh wait

limber oyster
#

How?

frank stirrup
#

own drive

#

used own key

#

were u signed in to ur ms account

limber oyster
#

Yes

frank stirrup
#

ok u can recover ur key that way after reinstall

#

btw was ur pc crashing before this?

#

or is this the first crash

limber oyster
#

Nope

#

Was running perfect

#

No heating issues, no lag, no flickering

frank stirrup
#

hmm just format the drive and reinstall windows then

#

id run a memory stress test after tho

#

like after windows is reinstalled

#

run tm5 extreme anta

limber oyster
#

I tried system restore and there's no OS apparently to restore

#

Rip

#

Time to grab my thumb drive

#

It boots now, I have no idea what I did, but I'm logged in

frank stirrup
#

sfc and dism scan

limber oyster
#

I don't see anything about .bat

#

Not in the pinned messages

frank stirrup
#

so it ends with .bat

limber oyster
#

Ahh I see it now

#

Also, my bad, it's a single 16GB stick

#

Looks like a generic stick

#

It's a Forza 16GB 3200 cl22 RAM stick

little osprey
#

Oh man cl22

limber oyster
#

That's actually average for laptop

#

Fastest for laptop is cl18

#

While staying 3200mhz anyways

#

Idk about faster

little osprey
#

There's faster, but i didnt know you were on a laptop lol

limber oyster
little osprey
#

yea i wasnt gonna scroll up that much

limber oyster
#

🤷‍♂️

frigid night
fair socket
#

so i'm pretty new to the world of PC building. the only real upgrades i've given my desktop and laptop are extra ram sticks. so i just want to know how to tell if parts are compatible with each other?

limber oyster
fair socket
#

thanks for the link 😁

#

similar question though. how can i tell what's compatible with what i already got? because this AMD software is saying my desktop's cpu needs an upgrade

#

(my desktop i got from Best Buy in 2018)

limber oyster
#

Probably a bios/firmware update

fair socket
#

really? how does that work?

limber oyster
#

Should be part of your AMD software if you have a AMD CPU

#

Unless you're trying to compare specs of a game to what you have currently

#

In which case you would need to buy a new CPU

#

And thermal paste

frank stirrup
#

its bad on the best of days

#

and share it here

#

ill take a look

fair socket
frank stirrup
#

I have a 3600x

#

lol

fair socket
#

wow

mossy venture
#

You need an Intel core duo 2450

fair socket
#

gotta get ready for work

#

wait..

#

i know the motherboard is a B350M Bazooka

#

(thank you glass casing)

rich stratus
#

What’s the difference between atx power supply and sfx? the o11d mini I’m getting only uses sfx

obsidian wigeon
#

sfx is smaller

#

atx is bigger

rich stratus
#

Oh, so atx is not compatible

obsidian wigeon
#

ye

fair socket
#

Alright, looking at that part picker site and fiddling around with it. I think I have more options than I thought

#

Granted I'm only going off the motherboard as it's the only part of my desktop I know

stoic island
#

Well, b350 is a bit sad, won't be able to slap in any current gen CPUs

obsidian wigeon
#

ye

#

even if it could the vrms would heat up too much

frank stirrup
#

look at hwunboxed vid

obsidian wigeon
#

oof

fair socket
#

So I should probably upgrade the motherboard too?

#

Secondly, could I possibly keep the current case?

obsidian wigeon
#

yes

#

depends on what it is tho

fair socket
#

The case?

obsidian wigeon
#

and what cpu you're planning to hop to

#

ya, case

fair socket
#

Well now that I know that AMD software lies I'm not in that much of a rush anymore lmao

#

I should probably start saving though

#

I don't want to break the bank

fair socket
#

You know what, when I get home from work I may as well list off all the parts of the desktop

#

Bios is how I find that out right?

frigid night
#

Would be cooler if you use pcpartpicker to build your current pc and then link it here so people can help you find upgrades.

#

Would be easier on them as well.

fair socket
#

I don't know what other parts I have outside of the motherboard

frigid night
#

I think hwinfo can tell you

fair socket
#

Ok, I'll try it when I get home from the office

#

Oh lol I meant I was gonna use that site to list them off. I should have been more specific. My bad

little osprey
#

Hi i have an issue with one of my case fans

#

my other case fans run fine but they’re 80mm

#

but the 120mm one kind of like stutters every 3 seconds but never like fully starts spinning

#

Maybe there isn’t enough voltage being supplied

frigid night
little osprey
#

Yeah

#

there’s only two headers to try from as well which is a rip

#

One is CPU and one is for case fans

serene hedge
#

what is the price difference between a 3050 and a 3060

#

if it's too expensive, which it always is, i'll just go with a 3050

potent portal
#

Are you talking market price or msrp?

serene hedge
potent portal
earnest olive
#

@limber oyster what's custom about the laptop?

little osprey
#

replaced ssd😂😂😂

earnest olive
#

😔

little osprey
#

DIY gpu

earnest olive
#

I'm going to make my laptop a custom laptop by putting a sticker on the mobo

little osprey
#

Damn wow that’s crazy!

#

Sell it on ebay for $200 extra

earnest olive
#

you gonna buy it?

little osprey
#

Yes. I am going to do whatever it takes to buy your laptop with the very special sticker on it

earnest olive
#

nice

little osprey
#

what sticker

#

i like stickers

earnest olive
#

idk probably one of my gf's etsy stickers

#

I have a couple sitting around

little osprey
#

Lol

earnest olive
#

no u

glacial umbra
#

3060ti for 630 usd any good?

mossy venture
#

not bad

still roostBOT
#
kole#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

little osprey
#

Meh

glacial umbra
#

DIE

#

BOT

little osprey
#

630 is mid price

glacial umbra
#

10-4

desert gulch
glacial umbra
#

not available in Canada no?

#

kinda slim choices for PC part vendors in Canada

desert gulch
#

Oh 630 cad?

#

Oh wait nvrmind

#

I guess for Canada, 630 USD ain't too bad

glacial umbra
#

yeah I just convert to usd since most people here are from the US

little osprey
#

That’s a good price for canada

glacial umbra
#

I'll probably grab it if it's still available later

#

not sure how much longer that'll be though

mossy venture
#

3060 ti at 630 cad is great

serene hedge
#

will XMrig work on an xbox one

glacial umbra
mossy venture
glacial umbra
#

799 cad

#

I just converted to usd

serene hedge
#

i know this isn't crypto chat, but i jut want someone to know how so we can talk about it in the right chat

mossy venture
#

the gpu is equivelant to a gt 750

serene hedge
mossy venture
#

look at crypto profits of mining with that

little osprey
strong raft
little osprey
#

If you want money crypto isn’t the way to go for you

#

Trust me

#

I have a capable gaming pc and i still don’t think it’s profitable

#

Took 3 months to get $50

potent portal
#

Pentiums aren't even on the nicehash calculator lmao

little osprey
#

No point of even trying 😂

#

If you can barely hit like 2.3ghz

#

Actually my pentium is hitting 2.61ghz rn

potent portal
#

10300 is the lowest end chip on the calculator

#

Nothing below XX300

serene hedge
#

or a 5600G

mossy venture
#

cpu mining isnt profitable at all

#

especially intel cpus

#

12900k makes 4.5$ a month after electricity

#

3995wx makes around 1.5 a day iirc

#

or maybe 3990wx

#

because of the way intel cache works doesnt let it use all cores for mining

little osprey
#

Uses so much power for minimal profit

#

and throws off a lot of heat

#

Choking your gpu if you have one

potent portal
#

10300 makes -0.14
12400 is too new for the calculator

little osprey
#

Great conclusion

#

-0.14 for even a 10300

#

Mind looking up 9400f while you’re at it?

strong raft
#

Well, as we know mining is much more useful on gpu, just for some reason somebody had a wack general statement of xbox one beating a pentium. Power is expensive here. I wouldn't even bother if I had a 3070 to mine with.

little osprey
#

🤦🏻‍♂️

mossy venture
#

3060 ti fhr is making like 70$ a month rn

#

let alone a 12400 lol

#

given i do use my pc for gaming ofc

unknown.png
#

75 or so for a dedicated 3060 ti fhr then

little osprey
#

Salad ??

potent portal
#

There isn't a single profitable Intel CPU for monero, even looking at the 12 series

mossy venture
#

yeah

#

im a minor so i cant use coinbase

potent portal
#

The cache is what's killing Intel on RandomX algo

little osprey
#

I was gonna use salad but i was like meh.

little osprey
#

i don’t make enough to do crypto anyways, lol

potent portal
#

A Ryzen 9 5950X can make 23 cents a day after power cost

#

5800X breaks even

#

This is all with a pretty cheap power estimate of 12 cents/KWh

serene hedge
potent portal
#

What can you mine on a 730? I forget how much vram it has

little osprey
#

Mines is 11¢/KWh

potent portal
#

Yeah and mine is 10 but much of the rest of the world is a lot higher

serene hedge
potent portal
#

I don't think you can mine anything on that, not without at least 3gb and going for less profitable coins

little osprey
#

2gb can’t even game

#

Well it can but not well

mossy venture
#

2gb can mine some coin

#

i forgot the name

potent portal
#

Ravencoin requires 3gb

serene hedge
mossy venture
#

someone i know mines it with a 1030 for some reason

#

makes like 10 cents a day

#

no point but whatever

#

not my energy being wasted

little osprey
mossy venture
#

10 cents before electricity anyways

little osprey
mossy venture
#

prolly

little osprey
#

I used to mine with my 1650

#

i never broke $60

#

Rn it’s $34.60

potent portal
#

ETC requires 4gb, going down the list lol

little osprey
#

dropped $20 since BTC fell

potent portal
#

Dogecoin needs 3gb

#

Ooh zcash looks like it only needs 1gb

little osprey
#

Tf is zcash 😂

serene hedge
#

i use it to game

potent portal
#

That shares system memory, it's a lot more than 64mb total

#

If you run dxdiag you can see how much is allocated

#

Looks like estimates for the GT 1030 are -$0.14 per day

untold vessel
#

Guys, Quick Question — What would be the AMD equivalent of an i5-12600K + 3060ti PERFORMANCE-WISE (Not price wise)?

mossy venture
untold vessel
#

Hmm, thank you. Can only gen 6 mobos support 12th gen?

mossy venture
#

yes

#

unless you plan on ocing, b660 prime for 140$ is good enough for a 12600k

fair socket
#

alrighty i'm back from work

#

and now that i downloaded this hwinfo program i now know more about the parts i have

#

wait

#

lemme make sure i'm not missing anything

frigid night
fair socket
#

well i think it's a CyberPower case

#

as for RAM

#

24GB

frigid night
#

Put those into the part list

#

Also maybe your psu

#

Basically build you whole pc on the website.

mossy venture
#

the gpu could be salavaged

#

maybe case

#

maybe ram

#

maybe psu

#

as for the rest, it will most likely all be e waste

#

gpu still decent though, mid range card

fair socket
#

sweet

mossy venture
#

do you have a budget for your upgrade?

fair socket
#

alright how do i find psu

mossy venture
#

do you have a link to the pc you bought?

fair socket
#

not sure how to find it. Best Buy doesn't seem to sell it anymore

mossy venture
#

tbh i doubt the psu will be salvagable, judging by the cpu itd prolly be a 500w with meh at best quality

fair socket
#

i think that might be it

#

how'd you find that

mossy venture
#

google

#

do you have an ssd?

fair socket
#

lol

mossy venture
#

or just an hdd

#

ram needs to go

fair socket
#

an WD HDD

mossy venture
#

youll need an ssd as part of your upgrade

#

do you have a budget in mind?

#

theres nothing about the psu but i doubt its worth keeping tbh

fair socket
#

not really

#

the budget i mean

mossy venture
#

case is an absolute heater

mossy venture
fair socket
#

true

#

maybe the highest i'll spend is $1400. gotta save up though

#

what were you saying about the case again?

mossy venture
#

the case is a heater

#

only has room for one fan from what i can see

fair socket
#

ah

mossy venture
#

so forgive me if this is rude, but you dont seem to know a ton about pcs so im assuming you dont care about overclocking?

fair socket
#

you are very much right. i know very little of the hardware side of things XD

#

don't worry you're fine

#

i'm assuming overclocking is related to overheating?

mossy venture
#

nah

#

ill explain in a few min

fair socket
#

ok

mossy venture
#

basically, its a way to force the parts to run at a higher frequency, to get more performance out of them. gpu ocing is relatively easy, cpu a bit more difficult and risky (unless you know what youre doing)

#

im asking because the motherboard is important for ocing

#

if not ocing you can get a much cheaper one

#

oh wait

#

one sec

#

nvm thats fine

fair socket
#

interesting

#

wait a sec

#

i think this thing has two fans 🤔

mossy venture
#

still, not great

fair socket
#

ok

mossy venture
#

wait lemme change case

#

one min

#

forgot about one pato reccomended

fair socket
#

just want to say thanks for all the insight everybody

mossy venture
#

pcp wont show it for some reason

#

might mean it wont fit the mobo or smthn

#

idk

fair socket
#

Man am I glad I came here and asked

#

My ignorance would have royally screwed me over

mossy venture
#

i cant really find a decent case i suck with cases lol

#

id wait for someone else to come whos smarter than me

fair socket
#

This is definitely not a simple as I originally thought

#

Maybe I should just build a whole new pc and not worry about upgrading anything 😕

mossy venture
#

the gpu you have is fine

#

theres a gpu shortage rn

#

so id keep it till you can get a better one at a good price

frigid night
mossy venture
#

overpriced

#

at that price id just recc p400a digital

fair socket
#

I'm glad it's at least decent

#

Sounds like when building a pc center around the gpu

mossy venture
#

with the shortage yeah, but since you already have a mediocre one theres no reason to buy an overpriced one rn

#

best bet is to keep it and try for a well priced gpu in the meantime

fair socket
#

Understood

jovial radish
#

is it possible for systems to detect that you don't have a grounded connection and refuse to power on?

#

seems to be what happened to me when I tried to test my new one because it worked fine when I moved it to a grounded outlet

#

instead of a crappy extension cord with a 3-prong adapter lol

glacial umbra
#

evga warranty still covers second hand owners right?

potent portal
#

What model? I'll check

little osprey
#

Hi i need help with one of my case fans, it wont start spinning, it keeps trying to spin but only stutters every couple of seconds

#

i thought it was because i was using a Y splitter but apparently not

vague oracle
#

Spin it manually 🧠

little osprey
#

very efficient cooling

potent portal
frosty osprey
#

Hey, I'm having a problem with my build

#

Well my friend is

#

She just got a 3080ti and a G5 EVGA 1000w power supply and after plugging everything back in her NZXT x53 kraken CPU cooler is havig issues

The fans turn on and spin but the logo light doesn't turn on nor does the water pump

Any ideas as to what the problem could be?

potent portal
#

Probably a loose wire

frosty osprey
#

We checked for all the connections no wires appear to be loose

potent portal
#

What header is the breakout cable connected to

frosty osprey
#

It's plugged into CPU_FAN

potent portal
#

Ok. And the usb header and sata power are connected too?

frosty osprey
#

Yes

potent portal
#

Well the only thing I can think of is to unplug everything and plug it back in

#

Maybe a cmos reset

frosty osprey
#

We've done both of those

glacial umbra
deep spruce
#

I would like to know what Intel Chip that i can upgrade from a Intel i7-4712MQ

desert gulch
#

i dont really think its worth it even

#

upgrading laptop cpus is not fun and just meh when you already have one of the better of the generation

#

while it isnt soldered, itd still be a pain

#

ill let someone else give a second opinion on it tho

obsidian wigeon
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nope

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not worth upgrading

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you're only locked to 4c/8t max anyway

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the chips are also mega expensive

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like they usually go 200-300 a pop

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grim fog
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@obsidian wigeon @south kite Thanks! I knew I had to get to that screen but was struggling to find it 😅

warm brook
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Is firmware same as bios update?

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# warm brook Is firmware same as bios update?

For mobo. Allow this pic to explain - Yes, generally you could say "update firmware" or update bios and most will understand either way. it just happens bios is sort of a mobo specific term.

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little osprey
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this should help me not have to sandwich-bag all my parts lol

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little osprey
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lmao

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oh sweet my x79 board arrives today

fossil cedar
little osprey
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just look at those lanes Oh_No

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deep spruce
fossil cedar
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fossil cedar
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Doesn't matter anyway not worth your time or moneh even if it's not soldered

deep spruce
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??? Why not then im not dropping $2,000 for a laptop when I can upgrade the 1 I have but ok

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little osprey
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you can get a good PC for much less than 2000 dollars man

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a FAR better laptop

little osprey
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whats his current laptop?

deep spruce
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Acer

frank stirrup
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4712mq

little osprey
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oh yea, you can definitely get a much better system for not much

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I got my 8750h 1060 3gb laptop for like 600 used

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I wouldnt recommend buying a used laptop though

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way too much of a gamble even if you know what to look for lol

deep spruce
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Ok so pretty much your saying to throw the 1 i have away then

little osprey
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i dont see where i implied that

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you dont

deep spruce
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I didn't say you bud but its ok im a AMD guy not Intel.. I hate intel chips I have already blow through 4 intel chips AMD I haven't

stoic island
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Its just that any upgrade options you have are all still something like 5 years old

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And not comparable to chips today

deep spruce
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Right so even if I got a better chip then the one I have within the 5 years won't work then

stoic island
obsidian wigeon
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4930mx also puts out much more heat

stoic island
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Buying the best upgrade you could get, 4930mx, is still basically e waste relative to anything decent today

obsidian wigeon
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so depending on the laptop it might end up throttling

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and afaik 4930mx goes for 300+

stoic island
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yea, and those are 8 years old

obsidian wigeon
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yee

deep spruce
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Ok well at least I can still do my Rams

stoic island
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Wouldn't be a major upgrade and I would rather just get a new laptop but you could do that if you really wanted to

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Although ddr3 prices are a bit wacky, and you'll mostly have to rely on the used market

obsidian wigeon
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honestly if you already have 16 gigs or more there's no point

deep spruce
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I don't I have 8

obsidian wigeon
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hm

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well then it's worth upgrading imo

deep spruce
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An my laptop max is 32GB

obsidian wigeon
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it just depends on what you're doing with it

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like gaming or something

deep spruce
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Latop is for Emulator

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Cant go any higher then Win 8.1 pro

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An the HDD's can be upgraded an yes I have a spot for 2 HDD's