Woah Mark#3393 has been warned
#building-and-recc-chat
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Woah Mark#3393 has been warned
toxic marsh
Guys I need to get a lap under $800 dollars
For game developing and gaming
Anyone has any suggestions dms are open
fossil cedar
Guys I need to get a lap under $800 dollars
You in the us?
fossil cedar
India
Then i cannot help you because there is no point in me giving you us suggestions, @frank stirrup when they come online would probably be best for helping you there
frank stirrup
Guys I need to get a lap under $800 dollars
Tell me your budget in inr
toxic marsh
Tell me your budget in inr
under ₹60000
frank stirrup
under ₹60000
https://www.amazon.in/MSI-i5-10300H-IPS-Level-Windows-10SC-095IN/dp/B09BRCKLLR
OR
https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-15-6-inch-i5-10300H-Graphics-FX566LI-HN272T/dp/B098P62W63
Msi is 17 inch and asus is 16 inch
Both will need ram upgrade after you buy
toxic marsh
How about hp victus
obsidian wigeon
hp victus is fine
frank stirrup
How about hp victus
Link me what ur looking at?
obsidian wigeon
small problem is wobbly lid
but it shouldn't affect usability, it's just something to note
frank stirrup
That one has a weaker gpu than the ones i linked but better cpu
So depending on the games you play, it could be better or worse
toxic marsh
Oh okay I thought the same because ASUS has a bit of thermal throttling as far as I got to know from others
toxic marsh
it shouldn't throttle with such specs
It’s because of the smaller vents in the design
obsidian wigeon
nope
it doesn't affect its cooling at all
it's designed that way
weird but it works i guess
oblique gull
what does this mean?
oblique gull
it’s a 6700xt
obsidian wigeon
huh
oblique gull
got it last month
obsidian wigeon
then ignore it
oblique gull
then get back into bios and set it back to uefi if os stops booting
nothing happens
nor does f1
obsidian wigeon
hm
oblique gull
is it my gpu?
oblique gull
i did
does it have to do with the fact i have a 60 percent keyboard?
even tho it says what js f1 and 2 there
obsidian wigeon
not really
sometimes you have to enable a setting in bios
legacy usb i think
cause sometimes post screen ignores keyboard input
oblique gull
sometimes you have to enable a setting in bios
how do i do that?
obsidian wigeon
well
get into bios
if your pc has igpu then take the gpu off first
and connect your monitor to the mobo
so that the post screen wouldn't appear, if it doesn't let you get there
frank stirrup
even tho it says what js f1 and 2 there
Press the fn key and the f1 key at the same time
oblique gull
but it's usually esc, f1, f2, f8 or f12
i’ve tried to press the buttons multiple times but nothing ever happens
also i don’t have an fn key
frank stirrup
It says you have 2 keyboards plugged in
oblique gull
nvm
frank stirrup
also i don’t have an fn key
Itll be one of the bottom left ones
oblique gull
i have a mouse and a keyboard connected
wait i for something
yeah got it
thank god
what should i do next?
frank stirrup
Btw where did you get the gpu from?
oblique gull
mc
frank stirrup
Minecraft?
frank stirrup
I know what micro center is lol
frank stirrup
Mc is usually used for minecraft tho
oblique gull
yeah lol
frank stirrup
But yeah should be legit then
oblique gull
anyways what should i do next?
oblique gull
should i enable xmp yet?
daring gull
should i enable xmp yet?
do you have an intel processor?
frank stirrup
pretty proud of my purchase
Specs and cost?
oblique gull
do you have an intel processor?
amd
frank stirrup
do you have an intel processor?
It says ryzen 7 5800x
daring gull
then its not XMP its called something else but i cant remember it
idle nimbus
3060ti with r7 5700g for 1.5k on sale
idle nimbus
powerspec g708 gaming pc
oblique gull
don’t wanna do anything till i do that first
idle nimbus
but i might return it and buy a different pc
cuz there are a lot cheaper, and better options
oblique gull
but i might return it and buy a different pc
if it’s past 30 days then you can’t
oblique gull
you have warranty?
idle nimbus
i got mine like a few days ago
yep
i imean if i want i can change the case
and add some stuff ig
oblique gull
well do whatever
frank stirrup
3060ti with r7 5700g for 1.5k on sale
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bozo!#0001 has been warned
idle nimbus
mb
oblique gull
save and reset?
frank stirrup
Yeah
frank stirrup
everything going good so far
What gpu did you have in the pc before this one?
oblique gull
What gpu did you have in the pc before this one?
build this yesterday
oblique gull
What gpu did you have in the pc before this one?
btw if you were wondering this is a 6700xt
frank stirrup
btw if you were wondering this is a 6700xt
I know I saw
oblique gull
I know I saw
through bios?
frank stirrup
it’s a 6700xt
Through ur message
frank stirrup
I hope you didnt connect to wifi while installing
oblique gull
idk if i did that but it’s too late
but i gave the middle finger to the long list of things
jagged spire
Hey can some one help me out with something
jagged ember
!ask
still roostBOT
frank stirrup
Thats not nvidia website
stoic island
if that's not a scam I don't know what is
frank stirrup
Also no way is a 3060 for 144$
stoic island
just because they stole NVidia's logo doesn't mean they're legit
shrewd fjord
I went on NVIDIA and then clicked shop GPUs and it took me there and I saw it
frank stirrup
I went on NVIDIA and then clicked shop GPUs and it took me there and I saw it
Send nvidia site where you clicked
shrewd fjord
stoic island
that's a 1660 super and that takes you to bestbuy
shrewd fjord
Click check availability
frank stirrup
stoic island
Someone might've hijacked the link for a time but that site is not affiliated with NVidia at all
worn wave
Did you buy something?
stoic island
144$ for a 3060 is def a scam
worn wave
From that site?
shrewd fjord
No I didnt buy
I wanted to check
I got very excited though
Bec I cant find a frickin GPU
frank stirrup
hope for a good shuffle
Next shuffle gonna be food related again
shrewd fjord
I've been trying to build pc forever now xd
frank stirrup
Im calling it
You can quote me on that
Theres gonna be kettles
And pans
And a popcorn maker
jagged ember
pans for sure
shrewd fjord
Does anyone know were I can get my hands on a 1660 super for a decent price?
frank stirrup
Does anyone know were I can get my hands on a 1660 super for a decent price?
Define decent price
Id look on ebay and r/hardwareswap tho
Check the pins in #graphics-cards
frank stirrup
Lmao good luck
shrewd fjord
frank stirrup
Ok?
shrewd fjord
The problem is finding it in stock
frank stirrup
The problem is finding it in stock
Thats pretty much not gonna happen
They have been out of production for over a year now
They aint gonna restock
Second hand pretty much the only way to get em
little osprey
i’m not sure but 2060?
strong raft
but it's usually esc, f1, f2, f8 or f12
Or del key lol
strong raft
i’ve tried to press the buttons multiple times but nothing ever happens
Try Del key also
stoic island
60% keyboard
fn layer
stoic island
just gotta make sure they know that fn layer is a thing
strong raft
60% keyboard
Notice x2, lol. Late reply 
stoic island
if you have anything below 75% you'll want to know how to access those keys
frank stirrup
Indeed
stoic island
after getting this 65% keeb I've found that fn layer is pretty neat
frank stirrup
I want 10 keyless board tbh
stoic island
I have a TKL board, its also nice
strong raft
Fn layer reminds me of a laptop, & wasn't a fan
frank stirrup
Btw mr1 you said something about the akg 371 is good but the akg 371bt isnt, could you tell me more
stoic island
Although afaik the hardware is the same, using BT will sound much worse
wired its the same headphone
frank stirrup
Im looking at the bt to use it wired with my pc and bluetooth with my phone
frank stirrup
Although afaik the hardware is the same, using BT will sound much worse
Ahhh what I thought then, bluetooth being lossy
strong raft
Now that's pretty slick 1111. Gonna do tkl myself. Normal but get that extra room & only need numpad sometimes.
frank stirrup
Cool ill get the bt then when my current headphones die soon
abstract escarp
i got an i7-12700KF LGA1700 and a Z690-A. trying to close it, and it’s pretty tight. wanted to make sure that i’m not breaking anything. this is my first pc build lol so go easy on me and lmk if it’s supposed to be like that. thankss 👍
sand falcon
Now that's pretty slick 1111. Gonna do tkl myself. Normal but get that extra roo...
TKL is for plebs. 60% all the way
stoic island
if its tight, take it out and check if its in the correct orientation
stoic island
TKL is for plebs. 60% all the way
gotta have dedicated arrow keys >:P
sand falcon
I have that on my 60%
strong raft
TKL is for plebs. 60% all the way
Scrunched up laptop-like kb is hard pass. But show that kb? I'm waiting for my o.g. Tarantula to suffer from more than 1 or 2"soft" keys
abstract escarp
if its tight, take it out and check if its in the correct orientation
it’s in the right orientation, though the bracket is tight when trying to close and lock it in place
wasn’t sure if that’s normal or not
strong raft
It's usually not easy to close, unfortunately. Sometimes easier than others
abstract escarp
ohh alright, thanks informing me
sand falcon
not 60%
Nope, it's a 60% with arrow keys
65% has an extra column on the right that this keyboard doesn't have
Behold, 60% with arrow keys
stoic island
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590951656305459220/882386659411394620/2...
This is what normal 60% looks like, 60% w arrows tend to be called 65%
sand falcon
No, 65% is when there's an extra column of keys in the right, usually from the navigation cluster
Like so
fossil cedar
So what key are you sacrificing to fit in arrow keys on 60%?
strong raft
I'll take a 65% then.
sand falcon
So what key are you sacrificing to fit in arrow keys on 60%?
Right control
60% with arrow key is super common in custom boards, you just don't really see it on prebuilts for some reason
fossil cedar
Ahh who uses r control anyway lol
sand falcon
Exactly
fossil cedar
Although your r shift small :/
sand falcon
It is, but that's no biggie
stoic island
60% with arrow keys tend to just be called 65% though
strong raft
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/590951656305459220/882386659411394620/2...
Nice palm rest!
stoic island
maybe
sand falcon
I've seen people very rarely call it a 63%, but never a 65%
stoic island
But 60% by default doesn't usually have arrow keys
stoic island
Most don't
strong raft
Techie battle
stoic island
I'm seeing one case where you have the option to get arrow keys on a 60% board
sand falcon
Most do from what I've seen. It's just the big bulk brands that don't. Dunno why
stoic island
It might even be wrong product images
sand falcon
Every mainstream 60% PCB has the option for it
strong raft
Are these "custom" kb outright better than a 60/65% from most "gaming" companies
stoic island
Taking a look at bakeneko60 for example, arrow keys just won't line up on the bottom right
I can see it happening on dz60 though
sand falcon
Dz60 has all sorts of options
stoic island
yea
tryna think what's another popular 60% pcb
bakeneko and tofu was the only thing I thought of for 60%
sand falcon
There are some hotswap and RGB boards, but those are usually set in one layout
stoic island
random kbdfans 60% pcb won't do arrow keys
sand falcon
That's a hotswap, you can pretty much only do one layout
In any case, I see with arrow keys just as much if not more often in custom builds
And they're definitely not called 65%
stoic island
In any case, I see with arrow keys just as much if not more often in custom buil...
Welp, I just feel that its not 60%
sand falcon
It is
stoic island
Its probably not actually 65%, but I just don't feel like I can call it 60%
sand falcon
It's the same exact size
It's just an alternative key layout
Sorta like this
Or this
topaz kestrel
Welp, I just feel that its not 60%
A 65% keyboard is a 60% with arrow keys
jagged ember
topaz kestrel
Very nais keyboard
jagged ember
sad linus says hi
sand falcon
A 65% keyboard is a 60% with arrow keys
And an extra column of keys too
topaz kestrel
:3
jagged ember
I think this is the width of a 60% keyboard?
topaz kestrel
And an extra column of keys too
Not all 65% have an extra colum
jagged ember
but obviously taller
topaz kestrel
Mine is 60%
topaz kestrel
Anyways a 60% can use arrow keys so why not just go with that if you like the form factor of a 60%?
sand falcon
I _think_ this is the width of a 60% keyboard?
That's a 75%, same width as a 65% but has the function keys
sand falcon
Anyways a 60% can use arrow keys so why not just go with that if you like the fo...
Exactly
jagged ember
oh okay
sand falcon
60% can have arrow keys, mine does
topaz kestrel
:3
I’m ngl I love my key caps but I need to buy some double shot
Mine doesn’t but fn+where an arrow key would be, does arrow key
restive halo
Just upgraded from pudding caps to Crystal Clear. They look sick
Side by side if anyone is thinking of switching
vital rover
I’m having trouble with the main timing configuration I have no idea what to set these settings to for what RAM I have because I am seeing two similar options, if I’m setting my CL to 18-22-22-42, would tRCDRD be the same as tRCDWR?
errant fiber
what keychron is that
jagged ember
k2
errant fiber
my k2
rose breach
very nice
rose breach
does anyone know if signalrgb is good? i want to be able to get actually good rgb parts and wahtnot without having to buy everything from one brand like corsair
earnest olive
i use openrgb
it's good
controls all my stuff
i tried signalrgb and it detected almost nothing
so idk
umbral needle
Can someone help me out
fervent patrol
would someone recommend a keyboard without a budget?
jagged spire
would someone recommend a keyboard without a budget?
Are you willing to make a custom keyboard
If not what kind of switches do you prefer.
Clicky
Tactile
Or linear
upper rock
Hi there, I am given a 1500$ to spend on the office setup. I use a macbook pro laptop. Could you guys tell me what type of monitors can i purchase or any accessories that would help
stoic island
keyboard without budget? keycult
sand falcon
$3000 keyboard coming up
rose breach
tfw ur keyboard costs more than ur entire pc
upper rock
is it good to have a single ultra wide monitor rather than 2 27 inch monitors
long rock
I have a 32 and it’s noice
autumn wolf
depends on your use case. having two monitors is nice if you game and have discord open or other applications so you dont have to keep alt-tabbing out and stuff but if you only game or rarely have a need for two monitors, then an ultra wide is nice depending on the game you play
errant fiber
alt tabbing with 1 monitor is the worst experience
upper rock
hey @autumn wolf thanks for the reply. I dont game.
But i am an ops person, I monitor, code stuffs and have lot of windows open at times. 30% of my time i involve in learning tech from youtube
autumn wolf
itd probably be better to have 2 monitors then for the most part. im not entirely sure if all ultra wides can do this but i know some can where you can basically use 1 ultra wide as two but id say go with two since they could be more flexible to work with
little osprey
my pc specs lol CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x
GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW
MOBO: AsRock X370 Killer SLI/ac
RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 2x8gb kit 3600mhz
CPU COOLER: Coolermaster masterliquid ml240 V2 RGB
SSD: Team group 512gb x2 Kingston 212gb Sata SSD x1
HDD: Western Digital 1tb 7200rpm HDD x2
MONITOR: acer ED270R 165hz 1920x1080 27" curved
rustic flower
my pc specs lol CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x
GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW
MOBO: AsRock X370 Kil...
Needs more cowbell XD
little osprey
Needs more cowbell XD
No >: (
vital rover
I absolutely hate that my case is like this but the only suction that my radiator fans get is from the side, there’s no other way for air to come in. Should the fans be on the inside?
sand falcon
alt tabbing with 1 monitor is the worst experience
This is why I don't have alt+tab as a thing
strong raft
Imagine not having a 2nd display 
flint sapphire
Imagine not having 2 displays a projector and a drawing pad 
strong raft
Too much flex 
little osprey
what specifically are you looking for? laptop or desktop and what budget @little osprey
What will the computer be used for as well
little osprey
what specifically are you looking for? laptop or desktop and what budget <@45622...
i have a desktop already
need a laptop becase going on a 3 day drive
budget 950$ usd
What’re you gonna be using it for? gaming 3d modeling coding etc
little osprey
What’re you gonna be using it for? gaming 3d modeling coding etc
gaming
and photoshop
might replace my desktop with a laptop
because of covienince
Hmm i am actually not familiar with laptop sales 😅so i will not be able to help you out here but hopefully someone else will pop in
fervent patrol
Are you willing to make a custom keyboard
I willing
amber warren
How does a gtx 1060 compare to a Rx580xt
strong raft
It's better I think, I forget how much. Anandtech rx 580 review is pretty good.
mossy venture
How does a gtx 1060 compare to a Rx580xt
580 8gb i think is better than both the 6gb and 3gb
580 4gb vs 1060 6gb i think id go with the 1060
oblique gull
is it concerning that while my cpu does nothing its at the low 60s
mossy venture
is it concerning that while my cpu does nothing its at the low 60s
what cpu
and what cpu cooler do you have
uncut pelican
I got a NAS with two N300 toshiba drive and when I press the power button it turns on for about a second then turns right off, I've already returned the first hdd I got when I tried the first time but it's the same issue now, any ideas? I can send the list if it's easier
mossy venture
i would not run a 5800x on that heatsink
or pretty much any heatsink other than dark rock 4 pro or a few other hefty ones
oblique gull
it def can run on that i seen them go on 5900x and run fine
as long as there's no overclocking
mossy venture
5800x is hotter than 5900x and i still wouldnt run it on one
they both pretty much need an aio
(or very good heatsink)
storm harness
Hey everyone! I just spent 1700 on a desktop build. No graphics card atm except the onboard Intel. Where am I suppose to find a 3060 without donating my arm or leg. I was thinking of getting the 1650 but I'm a developer and gamer so I wanted to try out the 3060.
oblique gull
5800x is hotter than 5900x and i still wouldnt run it on one
what aios would you recommend?
or air coolers
mossy venture
dark rock 4 pro is what my friend runs on his 5800x, wouldnt reccomend overclocking on that though
if you do plan on overclocking, you could go for artic freezer ii 280mm or lian li galahad, you could also wait for someone elses opinion
mossy venture
if you do plan on overclocking, you could go for artic freezer ii 280mm or lian ...
i dont pretend to know anything, i could be wrtong
foggy shard
Noctua is always a good option for air-coolers, the NH-D15 has been shown to perform better than AIOs
mossy venture
id also check your temps under load
strong raft
580 8gb i think is better than both the 6gb and 3gb
@amber warren 8GB 580 here
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11278/amd-radeon-rx-580-rx-570-review/12
mossy venture
id also check your temps under load
idle temps dont speak for load temps, but 60 idle i feel like is enough to judge it by
little osprey
or pretty much any heatsink other than dark rock 4 pro or a few other hefty ones
Fuma 2 and DRP4 are both 6HP Dual towers. If its safe to run DRP4 on 58X then so is a Fuma 2
strong raft
Hey everyone! I just spent 1700 on a desktop build. No graphics card atm except ...
Gonna be overpriced at $500ish for a while
oblique gull
id also check your temps under load
i dont really have goals in doing any loads cpu only. most of my workload is gpu based
storm harness
@strong raft I can't even find them for that right now.
strong raft
60c idle probably means easily 85-90c if it were to be under load. Rather have my cpu max out at 60c
foggy shard
<@742588277898608713> I can't even find them for that right now.
It's gonna be hard to find any gpu for a reasonable price rn
strong raft
<@742588277898608713> I can't even find them for that right now.
Ikr. Shuffle is the only option. It's wack
little osprey
@stoic island 👋
stoic island
Hi
foggy shard
I wish I started doing the shuffle a lot sooner
strong raft
Only ones that seem partway reasonable to me are certain 10 or 20 series on Ebay or something. Takes a lot of hunting though.
little osprey
Noctua is always a good option for air-coolers, the NH-D15 has been shown to per...
It's quite expensive as well, something like Macho Rev B, PA120, or FS140 match up pretty well in performance, at almost half the price.
anywyas, i shill thermalright
but for a good reason, so not really shilling
stoic island
They're definitely not equal to d15 but pa120/fs140 perform quite well for the price
Grand macho beats d15 though
strong raft
anywyas, i shill thermalright
Quality. Their old t.r.u.e is an o.g.
little osprey
is it concerning that while my cpu does nothing its at the low 60s
5800X is known to be a hot chip, you could try Undervolting or setting an aggressive fan curve.
storm harness
I guess my question is.. when do yall think the prices will go back to normal? When crypto dies? When 40 series comes in 2022? Would I be wasting money getting an overpriced one now?
oblique gull
5800X is known to be a hot chip, you could try Undervolting or setting an aggres...
i go to bios to undervolt right?
little osprey
I'd expect a 6pipe dual tower do be doing better though, check your thermal interface and mounting pressure @oblique gull
foggy shard
I guess my question is.. when do yall think the prices will go back to normal? W...
That's really anyone's guess I think tbh
oblique gull
I'd expect a 6pipe dual tower do be doing better though, check your thermal inte...
ngl i think it just might be on how i applied the thermal paste. idk man
stoic island
I guess my question is.. when do yall think the prices will go back to normal? W...
First, don't know, only answer we can give with any evidence is 2024 with new fabs, second, eth PoS keeps getting pushed back so we'll see when mining eth dies out, third, 40 series will be on a new process, we don't know the yield on 5nm yet, so we don't really know if 40 series will be better or worse in terms of stock, and lastly, scalped GPUs are a waste of money unless you need it for your job or something.
Fuma 2 really isn't that impressive in terms of thermals, it's good, but it's not that good, plus it's a 5800x, hotspots get hot
little osprey
OP is on DRP4, just to clarify
mossy venture
I guess my question is.. when do yall think the prices will go back to normal? W...
earliest it might end is q4 2022. thats on the lighter side of guesses
little osprey
@oblique gull Can you apply some load to the chip? Whether it be artificial like OCCT Small AVX2 + P95, or whatever CPU-bound games you play
mossy venture
gpu manufacturers are saying q3 2023
strong raft
I guess my question is.. when do yall think the prices will go back to normal? W...
Prices will drop a bit when overall supply increases & buying from scalpers or miners isn't quite a need.After 40 series is out, 30 should start lowering in price but who knows.
oblique gull
<@!566052535035494411> Can you apply some load to the chip? Whether it be artifi...
i dont play any cpu bound games. i think
little osprey
Then OCCT or Prime95 would be some options
oblique gull
Then OCCT or Prime95 would be some options
ok now it says 37c now
tdie
i imagine that means idle?
little osprey
idle is just a state of your chip's load.
like keeping up an OS up, that would be idle load
idle temperatures = temperature of the die when there is no load applied
oblique gull
well its going between the mid 30s and low 40s
little osprey
when it hit 60c, what were you doing on the system ?
oblique gull
when it hit 60c, what were you doing on the system ?
just build this pc so i was running fortnite on all epic
ultra
little osprey
Especially with graphics all the way up
stoic island
tdie just means temperature of the die at any point btw
little osprey
just build this pc so i was running fortnite on all epic
download OCCT https://www.ocbase.com
run SMALL AVX2 for a bit. use https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ to monitor temps and frequencies for thermal throttling
Prime95 would also work
stoic island
avx2 is a bit too demanding to ryzen tbf but you can still do it if you want
proud galleon
I purchased a 980 for my brothers first PC and the computer runs wonderfully with my 2070 in it, but I can’t get any video out of the 980 through the HDMI ports or Displayports. The card lights up and spins as it should, is the card screwed or should I try anything in particular?
stoic island
reseat it first, where did you buy it from?
naive pumice
I'm going to need to go into debt to build my computer but I know nothing about computers. Which parts do I buy?
little osprey
I'm going to need to go into debt to build my computer but I know nothing about ...
a
for wut
naive pumice
Current computer keeps crashing over the littlest things. Gifs cause it, another tab causes it, starting up the computer causes it.
little osprey
gaming? Studying etc
naive pumice
Browsing the internet, gaming would be nice, forgot what that's like.
Oh yea, games crash it
little osprey
m
hm
ask a techie sry
I also kinda know stuff just not enough
but for gaming and things right?
just to do anything
naive pumice
I shall do cartwheels then
errant fiber
what
naive pumice
Well I'll have to go into debt for it anyway because I have no money, so let's say $1k, why not
naive pumice
I know that the monitor, keyboard, computer, and mouse are seperate. That's my PC knowledge
little osprey
you could dm mr1111
little osprey
I know that the monitor, keyboard, computer, and mouse are seperate. That's my P...
yesyes
errant fiber
Well I'll have to go into debt for it anyway because I have no money, so let's s...
including a monitor?
little osprey
wait
errant fiber
/peripherals
little osprey
1k for the pc itself?
naive pumice
Yea
little osprey
oh oke
naive pumice
I got a tv that works as the monitor
errant fiber
this mf
naive pumice
Low income life
naive pumice
This computer was a hand me down
naive pumice
Can I just @ him?
errant fiber
what games do you play @naive pumice
little osprey
okgtg
naive pumice
@stoic island I summon you.
stoic island
hi
naive pumice
I like sandbox survival but I've been playing Swordcery cause it's the one game that doesn't crash the computer all the time.
stoic island
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GH2ywz
board price is wack btw
stoic island
ye
errant fiber
why in the world is a $200 board paired with that
naive pumice
There are games I dream of playing but never have been able to
stoic island
Prob could do that for now, spend a bit of money on peripherals, save some later for a GPU
stoic island
You could do a 10400+3060 build if 3060 at msrp
naive pumice
I have a budget of $1k as a "idk what prices are and I'll be going into debt for it"
Maybe. Why?
errant fiber
check
little osprey
rip
errant fiber
You could do a 10400+3060 build *if* 3060 at msrp
pretty sure bestbuy has a r5 3600/2060 for $1049
stoic island
pretty sure bestbuy has a r5 3600/2060 for $1049
If you do smth like this you'd have 500$ for a GPU
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sfbQCz
naive pumice
Closest is 80 miles
errant fiber
@naive pumice
little osprey
that’s like a hour and 20 mins
errant fiber
list for u
stoic island
hell, that works to start, 10400 does have a usable iGP
errant fiber
10400 is a hell of a cpu
naive pumice
I'd love if it's just a part problem I could swap out for
stoic island
Could go 11400 for 30$ more for the slightly better iGP to start with if you want to wrestle with the current GPU situation
naive pumice
Is there a tech support channel?
stoic island
This is basically the tech support channel
naive pumice
I shall describe it here then
proud galleon
reseat it first, where did you buy it from?
Attempted to reseat it and use different output cables but still no luck. Purchase it from Ebay
stoic island
Attempted to reseat it and use different output cables but still no luck. Purcha...
oh boy, try to contact the seller about it then
proud galleon
rip ty
naive pumice
Computer black screens when doing anything really. Starting up the computer, opening a video or comic, starting a game, it's random. It'll black screen and the computer will be on but the only way to do anything is to manually shut it off and turn it on again. Sometimes the fan gets louder when this happens.
stoic island
No reason to try more troubleshooting methods if you know the system was working before and you could try to get a refund for that GPU
stoic island
Computer black screens when doing anything really. Starting up the computer, ope...
anything relevant in event viewer?
naive pumice
And that is...
stoic island
or use smth like whocrashed
naive pumice
If I crash after it's downloaded, will it explain it to me in a way a dumbass will understand or do I need to post the report here?
stoic island
Should be relatively simple in terms of telling you what it was, but the exact error might require more googling
naive pumice
Is this something that works in the background? Cause it's downloaded, the home edition, and I just have a empty white window with a search bar.
stoic island
This is what it should look like
And you just click Analyze
After its done, scroll down, it'll have report like this, for example, this was a crash when I was doing some memory overclocking
Main part to look at is the "Error" line
And the description at the bottom
naive pumice
I am finding I downloaded the wrong thing
stoic island
Oh lol
naive pumice
Is this something that works in the background?
Like after a crash I go to this and find the problem?
stoic island
Is this something that works in the background?
Basically, Event viewer is always working in the background, logging all the things, all WhoCrashed does is look in the Event view logs and tells you what is relevant
naive pumice
If it's as simple as a part replacement, everything will be different I feel.
I can game again...
stoic island
Hopefully its even simpler than that
Sometimes windows is just screwy and just doesn't want to work
naive pumice
After moving the computer to the floor, so far so good.
limber oyster
What's a good gen 4 1TB NVMe for the speed? I'm looking into the crucial P5 and the WB Black SN850
stoic island
What's a good gen 4 1TB NVMe for the speed? I'm looking into the crucial P5 and ...
What are you using it for?
P31 will be faster than most of em for rnd anyways but just in case they have a niche usecase
limber oyster
What are you using it for?
OS as well as large Open World games
Like seven days to die, dead by daylight, etc
stoic island
Yea P31 will probably just be a better choice
7 days to die and dead by daylight doesn't really take long to load anyways on any decent ssd
limber oyster
I'm looking for gen 4 tho, that's gen 3
stoic island
I'm looking for gen 4 tho, that's gen 3
Yes, but it performs better despite that
limber oyster
Yes, but it performs better despite that
Really?
stoic island
For example
limber oyster
Huh
stoic island
Optane is just optane, but other than optane, P31 comes out on top
limber oyster
I have a 250GB 970 plus rn, looking to upgrade it
stoic island
Anyways, rated seq speeds doesn't tell you everything about performance
limber oyster
👍
strong raft
I want that Optane 
limber oyster
I can't find it anywhere
strong raft
"Unobtanium"
limber oyster
All I can find are pcie $2000 ones
stoic island
We're ignoring optane because that's what it is
3dxpoint PCIe x16 drives that cost 2000$
strong raft
Lol, i didn't say look for an optane drive. Sorry
limber oyster
I was also thinking of getting a vertical GPU mount for my 3080, but I can't find any I like
strong raft
Almost like using ram as a drive? (O g. "Ram drive")
stoic island
Need your case to be decent for vertical gpu mount
limber oyster
Not mount...the bracket thingy
stoic island
Almost like using ram as a drive? (O g. "Ram drive")
hey, it'd outperform ddr ramdisks
strong raft
That's awesome
stoic island
but that's also ddr, it was smth like 800mt/s
limber oyster
stoic island
oh just a support
stoic island
iirc bleach found somewhere that made a custom acrylic gpu support
you can probably find something similar
simple olive
Any recommendations on how to change drive order in windows? For some reason my D drive (sata) is listed before my C drive (nvme)
limber oyster
stoic island
Any recommendations on how to change drive order in windows? For some reason my ...
It'd be in bios
stoic island
Might get this https://www.newegg.com/p/1W8-01A7-00005?Item=9SIB4KCG8Y9104&Sourc...
You'll probably find more and better things off places like etsy for these kind of things
simple olive
It'd be in bios
Thanks, I'll check it out
limber oyster
You'll probably find more and better things off places like etsy for these kind ...
I kinda want the vertical one, seems more stable
limber oyster
I'm using a model pistol...
strong raft
Nvrmind haha, I was thinking/typing about ram drives.
Tbh if I wanted vert mount, I'd probably just go to a case w/ the mobo horizontal actually. 😅
strong raft
P31 will be faster than most of em for rnd anyways but just in case they have a ...
Double checking - Gen 4 is pretty much mainly just for those higher sequentials? For best gaming rig seems p31 is easily top 3 & then only price is a possible factor to eventual purchase choice.
torn peak
I'm beginning to think because of the reactions I have on my PC picture that not many are liking it
strong raft
I'm beginning to think because of the reactions I have on my PC picture that not...
Haha. Nzxt + apple stickers, but the glaring thing is pc on carpet. Mine is "above " by a foot so not quite the same. Which cooler is that? Looks pretty good.
slim escarp
I built a pc and when I plug it in it nothing shows up it’s just black help
languid gate
I recent built gaming pc with a B550 Aorus pro Ac motherboard and integrated AMD Ryzen 5600G Processor. My wireless internet not showing up and and it is not showing up in the device manager. The wireless internet was working two days ago. This been stressful and any solution will help
sturdy frigate
I recent built gaming pc with a B550 Aorus pro Ac motherboard and integrated AMD...
You might double check that you have the latest drivers and maybe even reinstall them.
torn peak
Haha. Nzxt + apple stickers, but the glaring thing is pc on carpet. Mine is "abo...
They're just stickers I collected, and my PC is actually stood on a monitor riser
It's the Arctic Freezer 34
strong raft
Cool, cool. Nah, apple & nzxt just isn't 100% liked here haha
torn peak
I'm in their server just for the free stuff I can get for levelling up, then when I have everything I'm gonna leave
Also the cooler I have is fantastic
It keeps my Ryzen 5 3600 very cool
strong raft
I bet. Even plain single towers can work pretty well. It just happens peerless assassin is so well priced so I might pick that on my "new" rig that is definitely not gonna be done in a day or 2
torn peak
Yes, it works for AM4 and LGA sockets
full atlas
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fvfZ4d I think ima build this and sell it
little osprey
Just a guess but maybe sodering it or just using the cable supplied by your psu instead
strong raft
Ffk, doesn't make me want to try cablemod
storm harness
Yea it doesn't look like I'm gonna find a 3060 reasonably. I should've went with a pre-built that had one already. I could almost buy a pre-built just for the card then sell off all the other parts.
strong raft
Mhm. I suggest at least the 3060 ti, at least going by recent pricing. Even if 3060 beats my 1080 a bit, I still would have a hard time paying $500+ for a 60 tier. Well, obviously I wouldn't side grade like that anyways.
hazy wadi
Just a guess but maybe sodering it or just using the cable supplied by your psu ...
Well ive been using the stock one for a few months, it just sucks its the only one not being used
Moving my build from a h510 to a 4000d af
little osprey
Moving my build from a h510 to a 4000d af
YESSSS literally what I did best choice ever
Corsair 4000D rgb or airflow?
I did airflow
torn peak
I moved my build from a Rosewill Spectra D100 to the 4000D, the regular one
strong raft
@viral ore , interior painted black helps a ton. I did that to a few previous cases.
fringe iris
Can someone check out my build and tell me how everything looks? I can’t really change my CPU its the cheapest and besides CPU I already have everything
Eventually im upgrading cpu and motherboard to ryzen 7 and b550
stoic island
What exactly are you looking for if you already have basically everything and can't change the one thing you don't have?
fringe iris
Well i just want to know if the cpu will work well with everything before i buy it
I might have a little wiggle room if it TRULY won’t work well
little osprey
I think the cpu is fine for awhile but if you want to use windows 11 you might need to upgrade or sacrifice a pcie slot for a TPM 2.0 thingy
little osprey
does it? I thought it was 7th gen and up my b
fringe iris
Im sorry, im new to pc and i have no idea what you guys are talking about
stoic island
I'm saying 6600k works, but its 4c4t
fringe iris
I feel dumb lol
little osprey
nah dont
little osprey
I'm saying 6600k works, but its 4c4t
ah
fringe iris
Yeah eventually i want to switch to ryzen and upgrade to ryzen 7 with b550 motherboard
Ill only have this setup with cpu and mobo for about 6 months to year
little osprey
Im guessing you already have a gpu though or do you plan on getting one?
stoic island
tbh I'd still try to get 6700k or 7700k for 4c8t if possible
fringe iris
I can’t find one cheap enough, im buying the 6600k for $75 from someone
fringe iris
What exactly would be the downfalls gaming wise
little osprey
@stoic island bottleneck 😉
little osprey
What exactly would be the downfalls gaming wise
I wouldnt be able to say myself but Mr1111 has a far better understanding of it, in short your i5 would limit your gpu but with a 5600 that might not be the case
ive never looked into the 5000 series
fringe iris
Thank you! That helps me understand a little bit more. I just dont know much about this and my brother has been helping me
little osprey
yeah im glad to help, im still relatively new to this but over time you will learn, ive been doing so for a year and one thing that helps is Jaystwocentz and Linus Tech tips (LTT mainly for the actual build of the computer)
fringe iris
Oh thanks! How bad is bottlenecking?
little osprey
well it can vary
fringe iris
Oh alright
little osprey
to put it in a simple way of understanding, you mix a really good part and a really bad part together, that really good part can only run as fast as the really bad part allows it which isnt very fast and sometimes it can cause your game to stutter and or lag
earnest olive
Oh thanks! How bad is bottlenecking?
you're going to be getting a lot of stuttering with that cpu if you try to play modern games
if you stick to older or less demanding titles it'll work
how much are you paying for the board?
75 is a little steep for a 6600K
earnest olive
free 5600xt?
earnest olive
I need friends like that
fringe iris
Haha very hard to find
earnest olive
but yeah it'll work but you'll get stuttering
the bottleneck will be more apparent in minimum frames than average frames
fringe iris
I would love for a better cpu but I truly can’t afford one
fringe iris
How bad will it..be?
twin sedge
You could just oc the cpu alot
fringe iris
Not worth it?
earnest olive
you could oc it to 8ghz under ln2 and it would still not be that great
$75 isn't exorbitant
twin sedge
I find it funny how they’ve giving you the better gpu for free but the weaker cpu costs money
fringe iris
They didn’t give me a cpu
twin sedge
Oh
fringe iris
Thats the only thing they didn’t give me
I appreciate everyones help.. i guess ill take the $75 offer and try to oc it ill try to play more games like roblox and minecraft.. and less demanding games.
earnest olive
yeah that 6600K will absolutely handle roblox and minecraft
just don't expect cyberpunk or fs2020 to run well on it
plenty of fun to be had on less demanding games
I say as I run a mobile game on a 5800x 3080
twin sedge
Roblox honestly has some amazing games
little osprey
I appreciate everyones help.. i guess ill take the $75 offer and try to oc it il...
your pc is very well capable of handling other games just not max settings, maybe medium to low settings
little osprey
Roblox honestly has some amazing games
This 
fringe iris
That makes me feel better
little osprey
yeah its not anywhere near garbage its more mediocre
fringe iris
Im okay on medium settings i just dont want to play on the shittiest there is
little osprey
you dont have to go off the games everyone else tells you to run you can test for yourself too! maybe you can run games at high settings its worth a try if you ask me
fringe iris
Thank you so much
little osprey
idk what those numbers meant but just test it out and remember all games have adjustable settings
fringe iris
Haha I accidentally sent them in the wrong chat
little osprey
lol
twin sedge
No mans sky would run great on ur system and yes it did get way better
Its nothing like how it was at launch
fringe iris
I have xbox game pass because im coming from xbox so i hope i can play most of the games
twin sedge
Ye its on there
little osprey
oh you will be able to ply all of those games on there dont even worry about that, some will be on medium settings but some will be on high
twin sedge
I wouldn’t say all of them
little osprey
most games on game pass can be ran on a xbox one and your pc is much better than that
little osprey
I wouldn’t say all of them
name one
little osprey
no it can run it
twin sedge
The cpu would struggle for sure
twin sedge
Thats minimum
little osprey
not recommended
my b but still its better than minimun and the gpu is far better than a GTX 770, I would know because I used to have a GTX 750 ti
twin sedge
No yeah the gpu isnt a problem
little osprey
twin sedge
5600xt is amazing
twin sedge
Ye that gpu wont be able to run anything lmao
fringe iris
You think I could sell it?
fringe iris
Yeah i dont need it at all
little osprey
Thats a old old gpu
cpu
it can go for 100 at the least but is being sold on amazon for 250
twin sedge
I thought we were talking abt the 6450
fringe iris
what would that do
twin sedge
Like the old gpu could be used for ur second monitor
That way it doesn’t take up any power from ur main one
little osprey
fringe iris
Tysm i didnt know that
earnest olive
no matter how small it is it's gonna be blocking airflow to the main fan and outputting its own heat
however marginal
don't see the point compared to just plugging second display into the 5600xt
little osprey
depends where you place it
earnest olive
...because it'll consume more power than it's worth? lol
twin sedge
Bruh that card doesn’t consume any power lmao
little osprey
...because it'll consume more power than it's worth? lol
its going to be at most like 50 watts
earnest olive
give me a valid reason to use it when the main gpu has 4 display outputs
i only see drawbacks
little osprey
Is it worth even keeping
yeah in case if the other one dies it is unlikely but possible
earnest olive
increasing temps of main gpu also increases its power draw
or decreases max boost in power limited scenarios
little osprey
@fringe iris whats the watt on your psu?
fringe iris
750
little osprey
earnest olive
even with an air gap this wide and a fan on top in an open bench I still saw a noticeably higher temp on the top card
twin sedge
give me a valid reason to use it when the main gpu has 4 display outputs
So you can squeeze every ounce of power for the main monitor and bc radeon cards sometimes can have issues with multi displays
fringe iris
So im guessing my psu is fine
little osprey
yeah its perfect
earnest olive
you'll lose more gpu power from the temp difference than you use driving a basic second monitor lol
fringe iris
Thank you!
little osprey
power isnt a problem though the recommended is 500 watts and they have 250 watts more
earnest olive
i have 3 monitors attached to a gpu that's mining and i don't see an appreciable difference in hashrate compared to 1 monitor
little osprey
well its mining, mining and gaming are very different on a gpu
earnest olive
if anything it's easier to see the difference in mining
fringe iris
Does anyone know where to go to find out the pc specs on my laptop?
little osprey
Does anyone know where to go to find out the pc specs on my laptop?
yes
twin sedge
i have 3 monitors attached to a gpu that's mining and i don't see an appreciable...
What gpu do u have?
earnest olive
3080
fringe iris
Oh Thank you!
little osprey
go to the windows search bar and search taskbar
twin sedge
Yeah that’s significantly better than a 5600xt
little osprey
type dxdiag into windows search
this too
fringe iris
Im keeping those instructions lol
earnest olive
i've experimented with a few multi gpu configs
adding a random hd 6450 isn't worth it
there will be a temp difference
little osprey
not much
earnest olive
temp difference makes core less efficient
little osprey
no it cant
earnest olive
core less efficient means you lose a couple mhz in a game
little osprey
not 3 C
earnest olive
...yes, yes it can
fringe iris
What is the equivalent of the 5600? A 2060?
little osprey
What is the equivalent of the 5600? A 2060?
just about maybe a bit less
earnest olive
you can see a 2-3 watt difference going up 3C
twin sedge
More likely a 1660ti
earnest olive
3 watts is 2% of the 5600xt total tdp
little osprey
and now you are using 553 watts out of the 750 watts
fringe iris
Oh alright i know more about 3000 series and 2000’s
little osprey
Oh alright i know more about 3000 series and 2000’s
same lol
earnest olive
you will lose more perf restricting airflow to the 5600xt than you will gain back from not running the second monitor on it
and add to your electricity bill for no good reason at the same time
and also make your build uglier
twin sedge
Not if u put the 6450 on top and then the 5600xt on the bottom
little osprey
so its astetics your worried about?
earnest olive
yeah and then you lose way more performance by limiting the pcie lanes lmao
little osprey
this is right but its not noticeable
earnest olive
it very much is
twin sedge
Most likely the board doesn’t even have a second pcie slot so id say lets just end the debate
little osprey
lets go with that
earnest olive
much much more than whatever 0.01% performance you reclaim by not running your second monitor on it
lmao
yall didn't even see him post his part list
fringe iris
Im not too too worried about it
earnest olive
it's got slots
earnest olive
Im not too too worried about it
just don't bother with the second gpu and run multimonitor off your 5600xt
sell it for $20 or something
little osprey
.-. doesnt know when to stop
earnest olive
buy yourself lunch with it
fringe iris
Lol
earnest olive
yeah i'm not stopping until he knows bad advice is bad advice thanks
fringe iris
Haha I’ll probably sell it
earnest olive
i've managed to sell intel stock coolers for $10 you can probably get $20 out of that as a replacement for some office pc somewhere
little osprey
whatever, your decision im not going to tell you what to do lol
earnest olive
good
little osprey
i've managed to sell intel stock coolers for $10 you can probably get $20 out of...
dont they sell for 10 originally though?
earnest olive
it's bundled...
little osprey
nah they go for 20, nvm
fringe iris
I5-4570, what should i sell it for? I cant use it in my build because of the mobo
little osprey
it's bundled...
ah
earnest olive
i sold an i5-4670 for $40 recently-ish
so probably somewhere around there
didn't include stock cooler just the cpu in a crap ton of bubble wrap
little osprey
look at relative prices and see who is willing to pay
fringe iris
Whatever i can sell helps me upgrade my cpu
twin sedge
If we really want to look at it from a realistic standpoint tho the games hes running dont even use that much gpu tho so i doubt the thermal difference would actually affect preformance
earnest olive
$40 would probably be enough to bump up i5-6600K to i7-6700 or i7-7700
twin sedge
Just putting that out there
earnest olive
okay but
you still haven't told me
what is the POINT of putting a random second gpu in there
what benefit does it bring
fringe iris
Well originally i want to play vanguard and halo and forza, and stuff
I want to play vr eventually
little osprey
yeah its capable of doing so
earnest olive
oh i forgot to mention
since the main card is radeon too
you're probably going to have some driver issues lmao
little osprey
ohh drivers are going to
earnest olive
the last driver for the hd 6450 was from 2015
little osprey
yeahhh
earnest olive
good luck with that headache
earnest olive
yeah just sell it
little osprey
alright ill agree with orange sell it
earnest olive
some office pc out there is waiting for it to draw microsoft excel
little osprey
How much would a G100 go for dp you think?
fringe iris
Haha
earnest olive
a... geforce g100?
twin sedge
How much would a G100 go for dp you think?
$10
little osprey
yeah
twin sedge
Maybe 5
earnest olive
you'd probably have to pay someone to take that
little osprey
HAHAHHAHA
earnest olive
that thing doesn't even support hdmi
twin sedge
You could use it for minesweeper and thats abt it
little osprey
that thing doesn't even support hdmi
no it does
earnest olive
DVI and S-video lmao
twin sedge
Maybe the first doom
little osprey
mine does, it does DVI and HDMI
earnest olive
can it even output 1080p
little osprey
yes
earnest olive
what on earth google
twin sedge
Probably a old article
earnest olive
wait
little osprey
i have the original built look in #build-pics youll see a blue gpu
little osprey
why does the g100 have a 35W tdp
idk
earnest olive
what on earth does it need 35 watts for
twin sedge
I remember when the titan was all the rage
little osprey
but it can do 1080p so thats something
idk how, but it can run san andreas and low settings 1080p at 60 fps
twin sedge
Iris xe is faster than my gtx card
earnest olive
gtx 750?
twin sedge
860m
earnest olive
it shouldn't be
earnest olive
maybe single channel ddr3 holding it back or something
860M should be a bit more powerful than xe
twin sedge
Maybe its bc my laptops really old
earnest olive
i don't have fond memories of my crappy 850M hp laptop
little osprey
I have a G100, GTX 750 ti, had a RTX 3060, have an RTX 3060 laptop, had a RX 6700 XT, have a RX 6900 XT
earnest olive
i was playing overwatch on it at 1080p 40 fps low
little osprey
rip
earnest olive
but i had to take a break after every round or else it would thermal shutdown in the next round
115C gpu
twin sedge
Idk what crackhead lenovo hired to design it thinking that a 860m would be fit for a 4k screen
earnest olive
1080p on my 15" laptop is way crisper than 1440p on my 27" desktop
twin sedge
what's the point
I mean it depends what the use is
little osprey
4K on laptops is just weird
fr, i tested out a 4K dell xps 15? with a RTX 3060 I hated everything about it
earnest olive
i have to wonder if the people who want 4K on a laptop screen are complaining they can see pixels while licking the screen or something
twin sedge
For gaming 4k is overkill on a laptop
earnest olive
how close are they to the screen to want 4K
little osprey
16:10 ratio
little osprey
how close are they to the screen to want 4K
on the bed prob
twin sedge
I mean i can see a very noticible difference playing from 1080p to 4k
earnest olive
on a 15" laptop screen?
twin sedge
Ye
little osprey
15"????
earnest olive
well the only difference i can see is the fps disappearing
little osprey
17" makes more sense
earnest olive
🙂