building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

Others do though, I'll grab something

[jovial solar]

ok

yikess

thats cutting it close without tax

2423.87 cad

but now if they even have it

with tax im not even sure

i will check

oh hey

do you have the links

to those parts?

just so i could add them all to cart to see tax

[potent portal]

NZXT BLD ships to Canada

That's about 2k cad before tax

[jovial solar]

is that all the parts in a case?

[potent portal]

Yeah that's a full PC

[jovial solar]

thank youuu👍👍👍

[potent portal]

It doesn't let me link it, you'd have to do the builder and copy the parts

[jovial solar]

ah ok

wait

[potent portal]

http://nzxt.com/build

[jovial solar]

ah thanks

what do i select? (for fps av)

[potent portal]

Start with the $1500 budget and you can modify the parts after

[jovial solar]

ok

[potent portal]

Keeping in mind that $1600 USD is about $2k CAD

[jovial solar]

yeah

[potent portal]

And then there's shipping

Oh actually

https://nzxt.com/build/228d00f8-e7c4-40e2-b7fa-cfa00c2fc890

Try that

[jovial solar]

k thanks

seems about right

are the default options good in your opinion?

because most selections are default

[potent portal]

Mostly good yes. Just make sure it's the H510 Flow case, the others are ovens.

[jovial solar]

how many usb ports are there?

i was wondering if i should get the expansion

[potent portal]

There's 2 on the case (a type A and a type C)

Then there's 8 on the motherboard, including another type C

Alternatively, this is actually a better set of parts for not much more https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali575/p/N82E16883360210

And you get a free game

[jovial solar]

nice

[idle nimbus]

does anyone have a nzxt custom bld kit thing from the website they can share to me

under 1.5k

like the components which u got in it

or any good pcs under 1.3k plz

[vague oracle]

Go on Newegg and search for ABS

[idle nimbus]

kk

[frank stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali473-gladiator/p/N82E16883360058R

@idle nimbus

Dont buy nzxt

Its too expensive for what it is

They sell overpriced products that dont perform well

[idle nimbus]

o

ty for telling me that

im really new to the pc building universe so

oh no its a open box

[frank stirrup]

Its fine

[idle nimbus]

thats not very good

do u have any other recommendations

?

[frank stirrup]

Comes with return protection

[idle nimbus]

o ok

[frank stirrup]

You can always return and get ur money back

[idle nimbus]

warranty?

[idle nimbus]

pog pog ty

ill try and get the one u suggested

if u have any other pcs to recommend please mention

tysm

[frank stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali583/p/N82E16883360218

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali570/p/N82E16883360205

[idle nimbus]

tysm ur literally saving my life

last year i bought a gaming laptop

biggest mistake of my life

broke in a month

hopefully this pc will serve me good

ty

[frank stirrup]

Acer nitro?

[idle nimbus]

no dell g5

[frank stirrup]

Same difference

Dell sucks

[idle nimbus]

yeah

agreed

tysm

i have two more questions before i go

[obsidian wigeon]

tough luck

dell g5 was actually fine

[idle nimbus]

would the pcs u sent have black friday sales on them?

[idle nimbus]

not for me, i got two of the same model

also my second question is that if there is sny good website to look out for black friday deals

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah that's rip

[idle nimbus]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

also well sales are on them

iirc

[idle nimbus]

well?

wdym by well?

[jovial solar]

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali463/p/N82E16883360048?Item=N82E16883360048 is this computer any good? has pretty much the same specs as this https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali575/p/N82E16883360210 which Fal'Cie showed me

[rocky grove]

Can someone make a $4-5k budget build? Something around the 12th gen please? Ideally white. Want to see some ideas

[frank stirrup]

The one u sent is bad tbh

Bad case

Bad cooler

Bad mobo

Worse psu

[frank stirrup]

Gimme 5 mins

[rocky grove]

Thank you appreciate it

[frank stirrup]

Ur in the us?

[rocky grove]

Unfortunately not, I’m from Canada, and It’s preferable if I can get most or all things from Canada computers so I don’t have to wait for shipping

[frank stirrup]

Okay ill look at canadian prices then

[clever sonnet]

hello
can I have help with my ram
i have been using 3200 mhz ram cl 16 but i recently upgraded to 4000 mhz ram cl 18 because it only costed me 10 more dollars compared to the 3200
i inserted it into my pc but my dram frequency is only running at 3200 mhz
i tried manually changing it, enabled the xmp profile but my *Task Manager is telling me its running at 3200 so I just let my motherboard configure the best options and now its running at 2747
i have a asus gaming tuf z390 mobo
and a 9700k

[jovial solar]

is this any better? https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/d/cyberpowerpc-gamer-supreme-slc4000mstv3-gaming-desktop/8SNLGX6M7T2N/981P?source=googleshopping&ef_id=CjwKCAiAs92MBhAXEiwAXTi25_L22uWRfT3s3lU77hyZrCtpaTYgYPi043bao9BRgfPkgXM2P7XRIhoCkE0QAvD_BwE%3AG%3As&s_kwcid=AL!4249!3!385750870996!!!g!1437271040146!&OCID=AID2200113_SEM_CjwKCAiAs92MBhAXEiwAXTi25_L22uWRfT3s3lU77hyZrCtpaTYgYPi043bao9BRgfPkgXM2P7XRIhoCkE0QAvD_BwE%3AG%3As&gclid=CjwKCAiAs92MBhAXEiwAXTi25_L22uWRfT3s3lU77hyZrCtpaTYgYPi043bao9BRgfPkgXM2P7XRIhoCkE0QAvD_BwE&activetab=pivot%3Aoverviewtab

[frank stirrup]

Do you have the 3200c16 ram running with the 4000 ram at the same time

[frank stirrup]

No

[jovial solar]

hmm

[frank stirrup]

The one falcie sent is the best

10/10

[jovial solar]

ok

why?

[frank stirrup]

The one u sent rn has a 3060ti

The one falcie sent has 3070

Also cyberpower is kinda bad

[jovial solar]

is it a big differance?

[frank stirrup]

I mean the one you linked is more expensive

For a crappier pc

And cyberpower sucks

[jovial solar]

ok thanks

[frank stirrup]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/f66MJf
@rocky grove

[frank stirrup]

@clever sonnet

[rocky grove]

Thanks, thing is with that cooler that cooler isn’t compatible with lga1700 unless I get a mounting bracket and can’t find it here available in Canada

[frank stirrup]

You can write to lian li support and they will ship it to u

Once u have the cooler

[rocky grove]

https://lian-li.com/lga1700-mounting-kit-announcement/

Oos

[frank stirrup]

ETA on November 25th, 2021.

You can buy in like 10-20 days and it will include the bracket in the box

[rocky grove]

Hope so, I can opt for 32gb ram and 1tb ssd, what would you change for DDR5 ram?

[frank stirrup]

I wouldnt go ddr5 ram

Difference too small

And ddr5 is rarer than gpus these days

Massive shortages

[rocky grove]

Can I still see which mobo and DDR5 ram you would pick if you had to?

[frank stirrup]

The ddr5 version of the same mobo

And any ddr5 ram thats 6400+

[obsidian wigeon]

also

ddr5 is outta stock

for literally any speed

[frank stirrup]

Foxy

[obsidian wigeon]

oh

i didn't see lol

[kindred pawn]

i really need some help

i got this pc built all the way and the motherboard is showing a orange glow

i saw it means something isn't plugged in

[obsidian wigeon]

which led did it light up?

[kindred pawn]

but me and my buddy see everything's plugged it

[kindred pawn]

On the bottom left

[obsidian wigeon]

well

what's the led marked as?

[frank stirrup]

What mobo

Cpu

Ram

Gpu

[wispy walrus]

is this pc worth it ?

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali578/p/N82E16883360213?Item=N82E16883360213

[kindred pawn]

asus b550m-k
ryzen 7 5700g
16 gb of g skill ripjaw ram
no gpu because cpu has integrated graphics

my friend thought the integrated graphics needs the pcie cable plugged in

but then he said nvm

[frank stirrup]

[frank stirrup]

No

[kindred pawn]

isnt the pcie made for gpus

[frank stirrup]

No

Gpus just use it

So do wifi cards

[rocky grove]

@frank stirrup if I get more Lian li fans to control the rgb lighting do I need to download a software? Not sure how these work

[frank stirrup]

So do ssds

[frank stirrup]

Openrgb

[frank stirrup]

Update the bios

[rocky grove]

Just download openrgb? What if you have mixed products like some Corsair and some lianli, I assume you would need to use different software to control each part?

[frank stirrup]

Nope thats the cool part about openrgb

[rocky grove]

Wow cool

[kindred pawn]

how do i update bios when i can't even turn on the pc

that's also another issue

it's not turning on but the motherboard is lighting up

[frank stirrup]

Oh u dont have bios flashback

You can write to amd to send you a cpu to bios flash

Or take it to some shop

[desert gulch]

i think they ended that

[frank stirrup]

Sadge

Then taking to a shop only option

[desert gulch]

yeah

[frank stirrup]

This. Is. Why. BIOS. Flashback. Is. A. Necessary. Feature.

[desert gulch]

they used to send you an athlon thatd work on b450/x470, but those athons arent even natively supported on b550/x570

[frank stirrup]

True

[rocky grove]

Noob question, after you finish building the pc when you turn it on, how do you install windows without a Cd drive lol

[frank stirrup]

Using a usb flash drive

[rocky grove]

Where can I get windows 10 or 11?

[steep fern]

do you have a laptop? or anything of that sort?

[frank stirrup]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Windows 10

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

Windows 11

[regal dust]

whats a good two color for rgb?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's all subjective

you have to figure out yourself

[subtle halo]

The one you like

[idle nimbus]

is windows 11 better than windows 10?

like for gaming

and studying

and how much is windows 11?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

unless you run 12th gen

[serene hedge]

so, i'm working on an OLD 560 and i have everything plugged in right but it is not turning on

[fossil cedar]

Plugged into gpu?

[serene hedge]

it has no GPU

[fossil cedar]

Do you not mean a gtx 560 or rx 560?

[worn wave]

Inspiron 560?

[serene hedge]

i don't have a GPU period

[serene hedge]

yup

[fossil cedar]

Lol how are we supposed to know what 560

[idle nimbus]

alr ty

[serene hedge]

what do you need?

service tag?

[fossil cedar]

Uhh try reseat the ram

Lol no Inspiron 560 is all i needed

[obsidian wigeon]

it has pentium e5700

that thing has no igpu

[fossil cedar]

Oh lmao

[worn wave]

So they need a GPU or a CPU with an iGPU

[obsidian wigeon]

but the mobo does

it's got onboard gpu

[worn wave]

Ah because its G43 or something

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[serene hedge]

it has everything hooked up

the wires

[worn wave]

@serene hedge Does it turn on at all?

any fans on?

[serene hedge]

nope

[worn wave]

Unplug all PSU connections to the motherboard and plug them back in

Reseat RAM and CPU if possible

[serene hedge]

i plugged in a new power supply

[rocky grove]

I assume just download the iso disk image to usb?

Is it a trial and eventually need to buy the cd key? How much are they?

[worn wave]

You can you windows as long as you would like without needing to activate it

There just will be a watermark in the bottom right corner and you will be unable to change your wallpaper but you would be able to just right click an image and press set to wallpaper

[fossil cedar]

Usually they are proprietary, where you able to replace it properly and why bother replace the psu on a pc that old

[serene hedge]

just want to get it started up lol

[fossil cedar]

Did it work before tho?

[serene hedge]

no

well, idk

[frank stirrup]

No

Use the install assistant to make the bootable

[rocky grove]

Is there a video on this? Just confused because how can the system turn on without windows?

[rocky grove]

Just watched a YouTube video seems straight forward

[frank stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGkPYtXtmA

[serene hedge]

So to hook up the Hard Drive, do you use the blue or orange wire. I thought the orange wire was for the DVD player

[fossil cedar]

What blue or orange wire

Any wires can be any colour

[serene hedge]

one is blue and the other is orange

[fossil cedar]

;-;

[worn wave]

Both can be used

They are both SATA Data cables

[vernal dirge]

He means the red one obviously.

[rocky grove]

Sweet thanks that was nice and simple, do you guys usually buy a cdkey?

[fossil cedar]

[vernal dirge]

I always buy a CD key, but a lot of people here don’t.z

[frank stirrup]

@fossil cedar

Link the site

Me no rember

[fossil cedar]

Actually reliable real key that's not volume license for cheap (code BST for 20% off)
https://www.vip-urcdkeys.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-oem-cd-key-global_1966-20.html

Or for 2 keys
https://www.vip-urcdkey.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-oem-cd-key-2-pc-.html

I actually just leave unactivated

But if you want to pay to get rid of watermark

[serene hedge]

I just started a PC that hasn't turned on in over 10+ years

[worn wave]

Okay

[serene hedge]

This is what happened when i started it lol

HP Webcam is not good for taking pictures

[grand rover]

I talked to someone at NewEgg about a CPU + Motherboard combo I would like to buy and they referred me to this site. Before I post my requirements, is this the right place to ask?

[worn wave]

Sure

[grand rover]

This is what I have. I would like to use my existing video card and RAM. My existing CPU is shot, so I want to take this opportunity to upgrade motherboard and processor.

Intel® Xeon® E3 - 1200/1500 v5/6th Gen Intel® Core™ PCIe Controller (x16) - 1901
IDE ATA / ATAPI controllers
Intel Core i7-8700K CPU @3.7G (12 CPUs), ~3.7 GHz
DDR4 16 Gb, TEAMGROUP-UD4-2666, Speed: 2400
ASUS Dual series of GeForce® GTX 1060
Win 10 Home 64 bit

[fossil cedar]

I wouldn't get an 8700k, it's 4 years old

I'd recommend a 10400 instead

[grand rover]

I only want to use my existing video card and RAM. Pato, do you have a Mb + CPU combo in mind?

[worn wave]

10400 + a B560 Asus Plus or something most likely would be best

[fossil cedar]

Ehh you're ram is a bit slow, it's only 50$ for a faster kit of 16gb ram, what country are you in?

[grand rover]

I'm in Texas. I would consider buying other Ram now that I'm upgrading.

[fossil cedar]

What cpu cooler do you have btw?

Also do you need wifi?

[grand rover]

Pato, let me look. Where are you located? Yes, I need wifi on motherboard.

[fossil cedar]

I'm in Ireland but doesn't really matter lol, the prices are all online, only other option is micro center but ehh it would be about the same price so 🤷

[fossil cedar]

Okay, and what cooler are you currently using btw?

[rocky grove]

Wow you guys are right can’t find any DDR5 anywhere

[frank stirrup]

I know

Its rarer than gpus

[rocky grove]

Both are so hard to find here in Canada……

[fossil cedar]

Ddr5 is gone everywhere lol

Just poof

[rocky grove]

If I get the other components first… wonder how long I gotta wait…

I might not even consider mining anymore.. just want a new pc… so hard to find a GPU as wel

[grand rover]

Pato, how do I know what kind of cooler I'm using.

[fossil cedar]

Emm you can direct message ms a picture, probably easiest

[fossil cedar]

Why not just go fast ddr4 then, hardly a difference

[grand rover]

Is it possible that I could use my existing DD4 ram until the DD5 is available?

[fossil cedar]

I was actually just talking to the other guy, not much point in going ddr5 yet, i was going to recommend a ddr4 only cpu anyway

@grand rover https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHK8W3 I'd do this

[grand rover]

Pato: That's not bad! Now, let me up the ante. I mainly use the pc for Photoshop CS6 and Autocad 2016. Would that system still be adequate?

[earnest olive]

dedicated gpu is recommended for autocad

[fossil cedar]

They have 1060

[earnest olive]

ah

autocad also relies mostly on single core

so while alder lake would technically be the best, that would drive the cost way up

it can benefit from clock speed though so idk if it's worth in investing in something higher than the 11400

[grand rover]

You guys are going over my head (that's not too hard to do, LOL). Pato, do yo still recommend the says System Builder package?

[earnest olive]

puget systems recommends a 5GB quadro P2200 video card or better for autocad

basically the quadro equivalent of the 1060

so the 1060 should be alright

same number of cuda cores, p2200 has faster vram, but gtx 1060 6gb has more of it

is it a 6gb gtx 1060 though?

if it's 3gb that could be a problem

you can check by opening task manager > performance tab > GPU 0

[grand rover]

What about my ASUS Dual series of GeForce® GTX 1060 video card.? I used to be able to use it with Autocad.

[earnest olive]

may be GPU 1 if you have an 8700K with igpu multimonitor enabled

yeah i'm asking if it's a 3gb 1060 or 6gb 1060

you can still work with a 3gb 1060 but 6gb 1060 would be much better

[grand rover]

I don't show a GPU setting. I don't know how to attach a screen print.

[earnest olive]

alternate method: type dxdiag in windows search, hit enter, navigate to tab "Display 1"

[grand rover]

Orange Mushroom: Display Memory (VRAM): 0 MB

[earnest olive]

might be hooked up to the Intel UHD 630 then

hmm

[fossil cedar]

Is your display cable plugged into your motherboard or graphics card?

[grand rover]

Graphics card HDMI

[fossil cedar]

Odd

[grand rover]

Pato, what would be the preferable way to connect monitor to graphics card?

[earnest olive]

if you have nvidia geforce experience installed, it should be able to tell you in system specs

or nvidia control panel > help > system information

i rate it can't see/10

take off the glass panel before taking pictures

strix gpu with single 8 pin???

what

what gpu is it

you can hide these better by resting the cables on top of the vrm heatsink

[tough coral]

I need some big help my pc that I built aint tuning on

[earnest olive]

bottom area looks messy

6/10

move this cable to the right of the vrm heatsink to hide it

would recommend just getting a cheap set of extensions to hide this if you are trying to improve cable looks

no need to do that

[fossil cedar]

Hdmi or display port

[earnest olive]

just use 1 finger to push the cable to the right

...what

are we looking at the same cable

just unhook it from the aio screw and push it to the right of the heatsink

[vernal dirge]

You’re gonna need to give us some context man. Like what have you tried?

Is this a new build or did this start today with it working yesterday?

People here will gladly help you. Just help us help you.

[tough coral]

Ok Legit I half completed it 3 weeks ago and I finished today (sounds weird) the gpu has a light to it im not too sure if i have use alot of power or something

[vernal dirge]

Does pressing the power button do nothing?

Like no lights turn on and fans don’t spin?

At all?

Or does it show signs of life and then stops?

[tough coral]

Nothing the only cables I have that's not in, is these and the fans hasn't spinned

[vernal dirge]

Right, and those are the cables that control the power button.

[tough coral]

Thank god

Oh my god

[vernal dirge]

You need to find the headers on your motherboard and plug those in.

The more important is the POWER SW.

That one actually connects to the power button.

The RESET SW connects to the reset button, and the other 2 are just light power.

Good idea to plug all 4 in.

[tough coral]

I've only got the manual to help me out but idk

[vernal dirge]

It’s usually labeled on the motherboard as “JFP”

[tough coral]

Ah ok

[vernal dirge]

and it’s usually at the bottom.

Depends on the mobo though.

It’ll have a little diagram like this.

But the pins might not be in cased in a box like the picture.

Or it might be next to something labeled “FPANEL”.

It’s pretty dope. I’m assuming you’re using a modular PSU though?

[tough coral]

Ye I see that

[vernal dirge]

Usually they come with a PCIE that have a single header.

So you don’t need to wrap the second one.

[vernal dirge]

Ok so follow the diagram and plug in the pins.

[tough coral]

Ok I see the +pw-

[grand rover]

OK, I'm back. I had to download the NVIDIA Experience. Here's what I see:

MY RIG

NVDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GN
Driver version 496.76
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70 GHz
15.93 GB RAM
1920 1080, 60Hz

[vernal dirge]

Take a pic of it.

[vernal dirge]

Right so, the POWER SW goes into +PW-

[grand rover]

Orange Mushroom and Pato, did you see my information?

[vernal dirge]

RESET SW goes into -RES+

[tough coral]

Ok

[frank stirrup]

Power

Reset switch useless

[vernal dirge]

PLED+ and PLED- goes into the ones left of -PW+

[vernal dirge]

I use the reset switch heavily.

Yes sir.

[frank stirrup]

Well thats because ur bad

Legends hold down power button

And then press again

And put the reset switch on the clear cmos headers

[vernal dirge]

32GB 3200 DDR4 (I think, it’s been a while)
i9 9900k
RTX 2080

[tough coral]

Kk done

Oof

[vernal dirge]

Did it work?

Dope, what GPU?

[tough coral]

Plugging in usb

Psu&^

[vernal dirge]

RTX what? Lol.

[tough coral]

YES

It wokrs

[vernal dirge]

Yeah he appears to be building one.

[tough coral]

Omg

Tysm

Rtam

[vernal dirge]

Dope. Glad it worked out. Don’t forget to plug the power switch next time you build one lol.

We all had issues the first time building our PC I think lol.

[tough coral]

3600 ryzen 5
32gb drrr4 ram
7 fans 9 if u include the gpu fans
1650 gtx
B550 around elite ax v2

[frank stirrup]

How much did u buy the 3600 for

[tough coral]

Quite cheap

Like 180 last August

In pounds ^^^

I've bought it in Currys pc world

[frank stirrup]

Last year

Thank god

Not too bad

[vernal dirge]

Is this windows?

[tough coral]

I don't have keyboard:/ or mouse

[frank stirrup]

Send a pic of the pc

Snowy

[vernal dirge]

He did.

[tough coral]

Uh Windows 11

[vernal dirge]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[tough coral]

I'll try lol

[frank stirrup]

Im dumb go away

[vernal dirge]

That’s how my first PC looked.

[tough coral]

I forgot to mention I got a 650w crosair psu

[frank stirrup]

U wanna see how my 1st pc I ever built looked?

[tough coral]

I wanna try to get a 3060 or 2080 gpu

[vernal dirge]

Now I build PCs like this.

It’s not thick carpet.

And it has plenty of clearance.

Nah it’s not a gaming PC.

It’s my work PC.

You’d be surprised at how little dust it has lol.

[frank stirrup]

First pc I ever built

[vernal dirge]

The glass does for sure, but not inside.

[frank stirrup]

The one I sent right there

Lol

Its immaculate

Jk but looks good

3600x and rx580

Coolermaster v2 somefing psu

Ton of hard drives

Coolermaster prismatic fans

And an x570 aorus elite

[fossil cedar]

Thats good, oh actually if you have an 8700k atm, putting a better cooler on it/going to 9700k would be a pretty good improvement(depending on your motherboard) that way you wouldn't have to change motherboard. I thought you were thinking of buying a 8700k now

[vernal dirge]

I only remove the tray when I’m not using any hard drives.

[frank stirrup]

The one on the top?

[fossil cedar]

Moar are gee bee

[frank stirrup]

2 on the top are static red case fans

Everything else is synced

Thats where all my fan hubs and fan cables go

[oak dirge]

i buy crombok with integrated graphics is it good for gameing

[vernal dirge]

Psshhh the best case I had had a disk drive tray.

[frank stirrup]

No

Like deadass 1 sec

Look at this

[vernal dirge]

I miss my original case.

Back before glass was the Norm.

It was like $250.

Now retails for nearly $500

Oh you want to see GPUs?

I got GPUs LOL

[frank stirrup]

Hehe

Makes life sooo much easier

[oak dirge]

rich and down bad

[vernal dirge]

??

[frank stirrup]

Gib 6700xt

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/jealous-love-quinn-victoria-pedretti-you-are-you-jealous-gif-23566742

[oak dirge]

u definitely seem like the kinda person who would buy out ps5s and resell for 2 grand on ebay

[vernal dirge]

I am.

What of it?

They’re opened. Those are just the leftover boxes.

Saving in case I resell them.

Yeah I’m using them all.

[frank stirrup]

U seem like the kind of person who would go crying to ur mom because someone stole ur lucky blanket

[oak dirge]

my parents are divorced and i live with my dad so ouch

[vernal dirge]

Look I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. There’s nothing wrong with scalping luxuries

They’re luxuries. It’s just supply and demand.

If I can go to target and buy a PS5, why can’t you?

What I’m saying is they’re not essentials lol.

[frank stirrup]

I mean scalped prices are pretty much market price rn

[vernal dirge]

Yes sir.

[frank stirrup]

Selling em for less than market price is dumb

And selling what you dont need is fine

[vernal dirge]

Exactly.

[frank stirrup]

As long as you dont use bots to exclusively sell gpus ur ok

[vernal dirge]

I don’t think it’s super difficult to get GPUs or a PS5 right now.

If you’re willing to pay $200-$300 for convenience then cool, that’s a market.

I’m crying.

I play mostly on console now.

Except for FPS games.

Idk, I never understood PC vs console superiority.

We all playing games aren’t we?

[frank stirrup]

Bad boy

Pcmr

[vernal dirge]

Playing racing games with a keyboard is toxic lmfao.

[frank stirrup]

connect an xbox controller to ur pc

Mike should I go raid 1 hdd or no raid ssd for my server

[worn wave]

What

[vernal dirge]

Hmm, server for what?

NAS?

[frank stirrup]

Personal file storage

Nas yeah

[vernal dirge]

RAID 1 for sure.

I’ll take slower speeds for backups for sure.

[frank stirrup]

1 factor to take into consideration is that there will be no case

Its raspberry pi

Hooked up to drives

So the hdds will be sitting on the table

And they will be salvage drives

Ssd will be new

[vernal dirge]

Hmmm.

I’d still do it.

Better yet. Do raid 1 on 2 SSDs.

🥴

[frank stirrup]

Cant afford

[vernal dirge]

Rip. 😦

[frank stirrup]

I can buy 1 rn and raid it later

[vernal dirge]

Hmm, then do that.

Just hope you don’t lose your data.

[frank stirrup]

I have offsite and external backups of all the important stuff

This server will be common file storage between pcs

Maybe a minecraft server

And stuff like that

[vernal dirge]

Are we including monitors and everything here?

[frank stirrup]

Mine is like 1.3-1.4k

[vernal dirge]

Or just the build?

Eh, I’d say around $4k perhaps, maybe $5k?

[frank stirrup]

Rich boi

[vernal dirge]

It’s an old 1080 one

I don’t even remember the name.

Mind you I haven’t spent money on this build for years.

Dope.

Sounds cool.

Seems like you overspent a bit though.

[frank stirrup]

1ms response is a scam

[vernal dirge]

Alienware is pricey.

[frank stirrup]

Ehhhh

[worn wave]

Nothing sold my Alienware is usually "worth it"

At least recently

[vernal dirge]

You’re paying for brand my friend.

Just like iPhones.

[autumn wolf]

at full price ye but depending on which product not really

[vernal dirge]

Mind you, I have an iPhone.

[autumn wolf]

dell/alienware has some pretty good monitors, just fairly overpriced

when theyre on sale though or if a model is at the end of the line so they throw them up for a big discount. thats when you need to be lookin 👀

[vernal dirge]

I had the option recently to upgrade my system or buy a big, nice TV.

[autumn wolf]

even though realistically right now 360hz isnt necessary and a niche, right now alienware is the best on the market for a 360hz monitor

[frank stirrup]

U chose tv didnt u

U freak

[vernal dirge]

And I bought the big, nice TV. 😌

[frank stirrup]

Yep

Called it

[vernal dirge]

85 inch 4K TV?

For $1000? I love it.

[frank stirrup]

Too big tbh

[vernal dirge]

Remember my house is weird.

So my couch is far away.

[frank stirrup]

I dont think its the house...

[vernal dirge]

I couldn’t even read of it when I had a 55inch

I love it. I can read off of it, movies and games look dope.

[frank stirrup]

55 inch is smol for my hall but its good enough

[vernal dirge]

Can’t complain.

[autumn wolf]

blueshirt, do you live in a movie theater?

lol

[vernal dirge]

Haha

There’s just a lot of space.

[frank stirrup]

Hes rich so big house

[autumn wolf]

dont think theres any room in my house for an 85" tv unless we took down some ceiling and walls

actually nvm, theres on area in the living room but we'd have to put up a wall

[frank stirrup]

Theres room in mine

[vernal dirge]

Here’s what it looks like atm.

Bro you’re just better than everyone.

[frank stirrup]

Looks farther away than my tv is

[vernal dirge]

Yeah it’s a solid 13ft away.

[frank stirrup]

How much is that in non dumb units

[vernal dirge]

4 meters.

[frank stirrup]

Ah my tv is 3m away from sofa

[vernal dirge]

Like I said man, you’re better than everyone else.

[frank stirrup]

U literally asked if a 3600 bottlenecks a 3060

[worn wave]

lmfao

[frank stirrup]

I wouldnt trust you for tech advice if you paid me

Let alone ur tech "facts"

That tv that mike has there is one of the best there is

Unless u have an 8k tv you have a worse one

[vernal dirge]

Now I wouldn’t say that. It’s definitely one of the bigger ones though

[frank stirrup]

4k 85" is one of the best

[vernal dirge]

Is it actually? Interesting.

It’s also HDR.

If that counts for anything.

[frank stirrup]

Ok boi what tv u got

[frank stirrup]

HDR followed by what number?

Size and pixel density?

[worn wave]

LG OLED does not mean much lmao

[frank stirrup]

Because the tv mike has is also oled

[vernal dirge]

No clue, I’d need to look for it.

[frank stirrup]

Hdr 600 and below is meh

400 is ehhhhhh

[vernal dirge]

I don’t think it is though.

[frank stirrup]

Above that is good

[vernal dirge]

I don’t remember though it’s been a while.

But blacks still light up.

[frank stirrup]

Blacks look black

Could just have a lotta zones

Either way its a great tv

[vernal dirge]

Ouuu I was wrong about the size apparently.

It’s a 75 inch

[frank stirrup]

Was just typing that

[vernal dirge]

Either way, I still like my TV.

Idc if yours is better, you were just talking about your dad’s Mercedes’ earlier lmfao.

So I’m assuming you had all of this bought for you?

At least I worked for my stuff.

You right man, you’re better than everyone else here.

[frank stirrup]

My phone has got that and an oled screen thats got a pixel density of 480ppi and its got touch screen, and dolby atmos surround speakers and also it can run games and any app you throw at it. Ur tv sucks next to my phone bro

Get good

Sorrowing

Yes

[vernal dirge]

What you’ve been saying has definitely implied it though.

[frank stirrup]

I dont need to guess to say the same about you

[jaunty nacelle]

found a 3060 ti locally for $800

worth it?

[frank stirrup]

Nope

Not at all

[jaunty nacelle]

whats the max you would go for a 3060ti

[worn wave]

okay

[jaunty nacelle]

@frank stirrup

[frank stirrup]

600$

MAX

[jaunty nacelle]

looks like ill have to go the prebuilt route then lol

[vernal dirge]

That’s the best option in the current economy.

[jaunty nacelle]

would you also say $600 is the max youd go for a 3060 ti and what prebuilts would you recommend for a $1400 usd budget?

[vernal dirge]

I’ll be honest with you man. I haven’t been too into the pricing as of late. So to me, everything is stupid overpriced. That’s also means I can’t give a good opinion on what prebuilts to buy.

With that said,

I have heard and seen that ABS makes some amazing prebuilts.

[jaunty nacelle]

alright thanks

[vernal dirge]

And they’re usually worth the price.

[frank stirrup]

They do

[frank stirrup]

They are

Also come vc nerd

I gtg soon

[vernal dirge]

I’m in the restroom.

Give me a few

[frank stirrup]

No matter

[uncut pelican]

Could I build a nas with just one hdd and an ssd boot drive

[worn wave]

Sure

[uncut pelican]

awesome

Now I gotta figure the software

[worn wave]

If you have a desktop it would be easier just to put that drive in your desktop most likely though

[uncut pelican]

Well it's for my family that live with me

[serene hedge]

i need pc help

getting BSOD INACCESABLE BOOT DEVICE

[worn wave]

could be a bad drive connection or a bad drive

[serene hedge]

everything is connected right

[worn wave]

make sure AHCI is on in the BIOS

[worn wave]

Try a different SATA data cable perhaps

[serene hedge]

and iv'e also tried 2 other hard drives lol

it booted up the time and then not

[worn wave]

Try a different SATA cable and port

[serene hedge]

hm

[serene hedge]

i did that, same result

[little osprey]

so

would you recommend building a pc or getting a prebuilt

[fossil cedar]

Depends on price

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali560/p/N82E16883360190
dk if this would be a solid build

[fossil cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189 I'd get this

[desert gulch]

Tbh the 1400 bld kit is a bit better value

1400 then another 40 for a decent psu

Better CPU, ram, m.2, aesthetics

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough

[little osprey]

what’s the bld kit

[restive halo]

What's up guys

[little osprey]

thoughts on which to get?

ignore that I am asking for 2666 that cant really be avoided here

[mossy venture]

may i ask why youre getting 2666?

[little osprey]

a friend has an oem board with locked bios that only supports 2666.

[mossy venture]

ah

[viral ore]

you can get whatever, like 3200, and it will still just run at whatever speed you want.

whoop replied to the wrong dude

[viral ore]

you there

read prev messages

[little osprey]

yeah true

[earnest olive]

he said the bios doesn't support xmp

so if the kit is 3200c16 xmp but has a 2133c15 jedec profile then it'll run 2133c15 jedec

better get a 2666c19 jedec kit to begin with

[little osprey]

mmhm

seems useless to get a higher speed kit

[restive halo]

Ok guys I have someone who asked for a budget as possible black ops, mine craft, fortnite build

Any builds you guys have?

[mossy venture]

we need an actual budget

not just "budget as possble"

[restive halo]

She did not give one. She said she is not 100% sure yet but $500 is not bad. So I imagine $500-$1000

[mossy venture]

5600g build

[restive halo]

That's what I was thinking. But was not sure how great that would run. 60fps low probably?

[mossy venture]

for cold war?

[mossy venture]

what black ops games?

itll be fine up to bo4, as for cold war or the new cod i would not reccomend. 5600g can run warzone 1080p at around 50-60fps stable, and cw is similarly demanding, but with lots of zombies or all the pack a punched bullets going around, or the huge boss zombies launching hordes of zombies around, it could be much worse

[restive halo]

Warzone I believe

[mossy venture]

@frank stirrup showed me a link of it running warzone stable 50-60fps

so should be fine

id reccomend getting a psu that can support a decent gpu later on though

just to leave room for upgradability

[frank stirrup]

5600g with 4200mts ram or 4400mts ram tho btw

[mossy venture]

oh

most 5600gs prolly couldnt run that memory huh

or are apus better at handlign faster ram for whatever reason

idfk how it works

[frank stirrup]

Monolithic they are

Fast ram they do

4200 easy tbh

[mossy venture]

really

cool

is it smthn to do with the cache?

less cache meaning it can run faster ram because it isnt relying as much on the ram to communicate between cores? I thinkt hats how ryzen cpus were explained to me anyways...

[restive halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pVWDp2

[mossy venture]

give me a few min

[frank stirrup]

No

Well kinda

But not really

[obsidian wigeon]

that's basically wrong

less cache doesn't mean it can run faster ram

[frank stirrup]

Just means that they dont use amds chiplet design

[obsidian wigeon]

the limit of ryzen is the infinity fabric

chips with infinity fabric struggles running as high speed ram as ones without

[restive halo]

Anyone have better suggestions

[frank stirrup]

5600g

And ballistix 3600c16

Or better

[mossy venture]

any of yall got that 5600g build pato made?

500$ one?

[frank stirrup]

I can throw one together rn

Gimme 2

[restive halo]

👍

[frank stirrup]

Ugh i feel so lazy today

Gimme 5

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GH2ywz

[restive halo]

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

so just to explain

[mossy venture]

found it

[mossy venture]

i found it dw

[obsidian wigeon]

5600g runs faster ram cause it lacks chiplet design

[mossy venture]

it used to be 500$ but the ram that was on sale is no longer on sale

497 i believe

close enough tho

and could wait for black friday to see if anything goes on sale

or maybe a pre built

if they are fine with one

i gtg tho

i got work tmrw morning

[frank stirrup]

Nice

[mossy venture]

cyall later

[restive halo]

That's better then the other build

This video shows fps at 40 for warzone

https://youtu.be/hCbybCYLJog

[frank stirrup]

3200mts ram in that pc

U gonna get 3600mts

Nice perf bump

[restive halo]

Oh ok

So 60fps

[obsidian wigeon]

uh

probably not 60

but you're gonna get above 40

[restive halo]

Ok. Pair it with the 5600xt, or

Future

[little osprey]

Is Jigsaw a good RAM brand?

[frank stirrup]

No

Crucial ballistix

Ripjaws good too

[restive halo]

Thinking about it so I can tell her the upgrade path

Compatibility issue in this? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GH2ywz

[frank stirrup]

It was literally recommended by us

Lol

[mossy venture]

First upgrade will be a dgpu

Anything up to a 3070 would be a decent pairing with the 5600g, if she ends up getting a dgpu off the start though don't get that parts list

[little osprey]

So crucial vengeance sucks but ballistics doesnt!? Thats annoying :(

[restive halo]

Ok. Says there is compatibility issues

[frank stirrup]

There isnt any

[mossy venture]

Ignore that, pcp gives false positives very often

[frank stirrup]

Could need a bios update

But most likely wont

[little osprey]

Is it just me or is the 3080 MAJOR bump in specs makes pretty much anything lower a detail

[mossy venture]

What

[frank stirrup]

???

[mossy venture]

Was that a full sentence?

[little osprey]

Idk according to tomshardware the 3080 is very highly rated

[mossy venture]

Ofcourse

It's one of the best gpus on the market lmao

[little osprey]

Sorry i'm not very much sober and english is my second language

[earnest olive]

if you mean that the 3080 is a large gap above 3070ti and 3070 then yes

the 3070ti is far closer to the 3070 than the 3080

[little osprey]

Yeah i meant the cost vs performance gap seems worth it

Just like the RTX 3060 ti for lower classes in my opinion

[obsidian wigeon]

lower classes?

3060ti has similar perf to 3070 actually

[earnest olive]

at msrp yes, at market price debatable

LHR 3070s are 950 on the market

LHR 3080s are 1350 on the market

[little osprey]

I'm in CAD i dont know what the exchange rate is, but good luck finding an rtx 3060 ti under 1200$

[little osprey]

Do you think going for an rtx 3060 ti is future proof enough for now?

[earnest olive]

there's no such thing as future proof

[little osprey]

Yeah i get what you mean

But for example i just bought that massive double xl tower case

[earnest olive]

cases are different

[little osprey]

I do am not exactly sure what to do about the fans

With such a big case

Cpu fan is a double noctua NH15

[little osprey]

But would you say the RTX 3060 ti can handle new AAA games enough to be efficient for a while?

I do am sad that I wouldn't be able to use my 4K 32" monitor

[earnest olive]

at 1080p sure

at 1440p depends on the game

at 4K absolutely not

[little osprey]

Mmm i see

Would 3070 be enough or ti at least?

[earnest olive]

even 3090 is not enough for 4K

for the next few years

[little osprey]

Aww :/

So its more for movies?

[earnest olive]

i mean a 3090 will be able to play at 4K for a few years but you're gonna have to start dropping settings after maybe 2 years

and at that point whats the point of 4K

unless you okay with 30 fps then its different

[little osprey]

I see thanks a lot for the answers

Totally irrelevant question:

[earnest olive]

if you want your 3060ti to be good for AAA gaming at 60 fps high settings for a few years you should target 1440p

[little osprey]

I was wondering if some sort of mid level gpu efficiency can be achieved by assembling some sort of SLI with a bunch of GT 710

[earnest olive]

my friend is already seeing 47 fps at 4K ultra in a 6 year old game with a 3090 strix lol

no

[little osprey]

Or something like that

[earnest olive]

SLI is dead

[little osprey]

So stacking low tier gpus is not possible?

[earnest olive]

and even games that still support SLI tend to stop scaling after 3

data needing to travel between GPUs causes problems, it's not going to be perfect scaling

4 way SLI tends to have lower performance than 3 way SLI even when it's supported

latency is a big problem

[little osprey]

By the way how important exactly is the impact of brand/make/GB of the GPU on its performance

[earnest olive]

and the gpus don't get to pool their vram

[earnest olive]

nothing

bottom tier gpu vs top tier gpu of the same model will have like 2% difference at stock maximum

[little osprey]

So a 3060 ti is a 3060 ti whatever the brand

[earnest olive]

the difference is mostly in thermals and noise

yes

3060ti isn't really hot enough for the model to matter that much

[little osprey]

Ok and what about 8gb vs those 12gb ones?

[earnest olive]

3060ti beats 3060 regardless of having less vram

[little osprey]

I noticed the 3060's GB scaling up to 12

Okok

So vram isnt that impactful

[earnest olive]

12gb vram doesn't matter if the core isn't fast enough

the only reason why 3060 has 12gb vram is that the core has 6 memory lanes

so they were limited to either 6gb or 12gb

and they didn't want to release a 6gb card because people would be mad at them

3060ti has 8 memory lanes so they chose 8gb rather than 16gb

but it has faster access to the memory as a result

and the core is stronger

[little osprey]

Ahhh that makes sense!

Thanks man

[earnest olive]

np

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali549/p/N82E16883360169
OR
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Systems/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-Series-Gaming-PC/p/CS-9050011-NA
which one is better?

[obsidian wigeon]

forget those two

i have better choice, gimme a min

also the abs one is outta stock btw

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali554/p/N82E16883360184

do this instead

with a cooler swap it should do great

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565/p/N82E16883360195

or this if you wanna save some cash

[little osprey]

Core i7-11700F, RTX 3070 Ti, 16GB 3200MHz, 1080p bottleneck good? 😄

[frank stirrup]

Wont bottleneck

[rugged sparrow]

Is this a good pre build https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali554/p/N82E16883360184?item=N82E16883360184

[fossil cedar]

Its fine, bit overpriced and you'd want to replace the cpu cooler

[rugged sparrow]

Hmmm

I want something with an i7 and 3070

[fossil cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali536/p/N82E16883360141?item=N82E16883360141

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali454-gladiator/p/N82E16883360038R or this

[rugged sparrow]

What one will you buy out of the two

[fossil cedar]

If you don't mind open box, the 2nd one

[rugged sparrow]

As long as the parts aren’t messed up then I don’t mind

[fossil cedar]

Nah should be fine

[brittle cave]

whats a good looking + performing budget liquid cooler

[stoic island]

Freezer ii is great performance for decent price

[brittle cave]

ill check it out

in the middle of upgrading my pc. everything except ram and gpu

[stoic island]

It's not the most budget cooler but 120$ for 360mm is good

[brittle cave]

yeah, kinda thinking about corsairs but theyre so overpriced

does cooler master make decent fans and liquid coolers?

[limber oyster]

What does it mean when I have 18.3 GB of cached RAM?

[brittle cave]

pretty sure it's just unused ram

[fossil cedar]

meh, if you want an aio, get arctic liquid freezer ii/lian li galahad/ek rgb aio

[brittle cave]

alright thanks

[fossil cedar]

np

[fossil cedar]

ram that is being used to hold disk contents that have been accessed recently

[limber oyster]

...Is that a lot of ram?

[fossil cedar]

its fine

[limber oyster]

Ok

I just have 32, so have more than half cached worried me

[fossil cedar]

this what it shows for me like

[limber oyster]

Dang

[brittle cave]

what are good fans?

[limber oyster]

So it's normal then

[limber oyster]

AIOs usually come with fans

Mine did

[fossil cedar]

arctic p12 (rgb) or arctic p14

[stoic island]

Arctic p12, which comes with freezer ii

[fossil cedar]

they all do yes

[brittle cave]

i know, im talking fans for other sides of the case

[stoic island]

P12 are great price to perf fans

[jagged ember]

p12

yes

[brittle cave]

do they have a dedicated rgb software

[fossil cedar]

no youll use your motherboard rgb software or open rgb

[fossil cedar]

only the p12 argb and rgb have rgb btw

regular have no lighting

[brittle cave]

yeah i was looking them up and noticed that

[fossil cedar]

p12's are also super quiet

[brittle cave]

ah alright, the fans i have now are super loud

[stoic island]

Not silent but quiet at like 50% speed, a bit audible at 100% kinda thing

[hushed vortex]

oh my this iphone cable look sus

[little osprey]

hey, been a while. anywasy check this out - https://www.newegg.com/enermax-uctba14p-case-fan/p/N82E16835214086 UCTBA14P @ 5 USD after a 15$ rebate :)

[hushed vortex]

hmm what happend if i order this and did not get the head phone jack wood they let me keep the power supply lol

[worn wave]

It's just the wrong image...

Everything else is the PSU listing

[hushed vortex]

yes

but if some one order that and what in the image did not show up amzon will refund it and tell you too keep it

[worn wave]

I doubt it

[hushed vortex]

im not saying do it just it legit way get it free

if you did not order it then you keep it at no charge

im going report it

[fossil cedar]

I mean p12s are like 7$ and no hassle of rebate

[stoic island]

Rebate is quite annoying

But the fan should just be decent in general

[little osprey]

true, nice option for 140mm tho 🤷‍♂️

[little osprey]

iirc thats the non co/pst right ?

[hushed vortex]

how you even report that issue

[limber oyster]

OOFT,I feel bad for my brother

[fossil cedar]

yeah just regular pwm

also what is do arctic mean by CO?

[hushed vortex]

why what wrong

[limber oyster]

Check #build-pics

[worn wave]

A 2017 MacBook Air is not that awful

[little osprey]

continuous operation

dual ball bearing as opposed to some fdb or hdb iirc

[worn wave]

Good for everyday general internet usage

[stoic island]

Arctic also makes a p14

And yea normal p12 is fluid, co is dbb

[jagged ember]

I shoulda gotten p14s

sadge

[fossil cedar]

ahh right, well im sure theyre both great for continuous operation anyway lol

[little osprey]

dbb usually lasts longer, but at the cost of some higher noise levels down the road

[stoic island]

Dbb is just louder out of the box afaik

[little osprey]

makes sense

[stoic island]

But they do tend to last longer

[little osprey]

inb4 noctuas inhouse bearing

[stoic island]

Noctua basically uses fluid bearings so :p

[jagged ember]

they might as well as use maglev lmao

[little osprey]

lets just go back to teflon nano

[glossy fern]

Looking to make super cheap build for brother, any thoughts on how to drop the price?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jzdmy4

[sand falcon]

Could drop a bit by getting a cheaper PSU, but that seasonic is a solid deal

[fossil cedar]

i would spend a bit more on a mobo, that one does not have a bios flashback so you would need a previous gen chip to make sure bios is up to date bte

[glossy fern]

MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI for $110?

Significantly more expensive mobo but cuts out wifi card cost

[fossil cedar]

yeah thats good, do they plan to put in a 30 series gpu later?

[glossy fern]

Absolutely not

Cheap build for little bro

[fossil cedar]

then def cheaper spu

psu

[glossy fern]

He wants to play games. Currently sharing his mom's 2008 iMac lol

[sand falcon]

Seems like it should have it by now, don't you think?

[fossil cedar]

ehh the apus required another update and i doubt that board sells much

[glossy fern]

Without going to bronze rating there's not a cheaper option

[sand falcon]

Validated support at 1.70, which came out in march

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k2whnL id do this, shame you cant get cheaper case

[glossy fern]

It's a hand me down case

[fossil cedar]

so?

[fossil cedar]

ahh okay so its not actually costing anything then

[glossy fern]

Just stating a fact. Ratings don't mean to much anymore but ik seasonic is good

[fossil cedar]

no 80 plus ratings mean nothing to do with quality, and seasonic make some good power supplies but also some terrible ones

corsair cx is decent power supply, plenty for apu build