building-and-recc-chat

[calm heron]

here what happen

[obsidian wigeon]

f2 or delete key

hmn that's so weird

show me when you try f2 when it starts turning om

[calm heron]

ok

[obsidian wigeon]

ah heck

[calm heron]

the only solution i have left is remove the windows system desk

or there's any other

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess

yeah take out the m.2 so it has nothing to boot into

it might help

[calm heron]

i will try one more thing and i hope it will work

[obsidian wigeon]

the bios might just skip post when it has os to boot into

which is unseen for me but possible

[calm heron]

final word removing m.2 ?

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[calm heron]

oki Thanks For the help

[obsidian wigeon]

hope it works then

[calm heron]

😭 it worked finally

i just have to enable this ?

[obsidian wigeon]

oh yes

make sure it's 3000mhz profile

sorry i was busy

[calm heron]

its ok

[obsidian wigeon]

unless the ram is 3200 then set it like that

[calm heron]

it sayz 2933 memry freq

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah that's fine

still 3000

you should be good to put the m.2 back on now

once you saved it that is

[calm heron]

there 3066

[obsidian wigeon]

ehh, well

[calm heron]

dont have 3000 profile

[obsidian wigeon]

i say 2933 would be best

[calm heron]

yep

2933 and 3066

and above

so stick with 2933 ?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

i think

[calm heron]

🙃

[obsidian wigeon]

i'll have to know the ram's specs ngl

[calm heron]

its 3000

[obsidian wigeon]

okie then that's fine

[calm heron]

thanks just one last wyestion

question

where should i put my HDMI to gpu or cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

gpu

[calm heron]

thanks !

[obsidian wigeon]

now you should see actual gaming performance

if windows recognizes it correctly

[obsidian wigeon]

good

[calm heron]

all set

[obsidian wigeon]

this sure was a weird case lol

i've never seen anything skip post like that

just black screen then windows

[calm heron]

i though the same

it hope it will never happen again to someone

[obsidian wigeon]

well, it sadly will

it's such a pain

[calm heron]

:3

[earnest olive]

oh hey yall actually figured out his weird bios

i had to step out to do some cursed things to an unsuspecting i5-6600K

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[earnest olive]

don't worry I fixed it

[obsidian wigeon]

hmmm

yes

[earnest olive]

yes

[obsidian wigeon]

tape fixes all

[plain grove]

@obsidian wigeon

What do I do after I downloaded it?

@desert gulch

[desert gulch]

double click the application

one in the middle

[plain grove]

Extract or run?

[plain grove]

?

[desert gulch]

run

[plain grove]

I think I need to extract it

@obsidian wigeon

[desert gulch]

yeah i got my cinebench from another source but i cant find it now so foxy should know

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah lol

extract it

it can't use the files

then once you're done you can run it

[plain grove]

I was thinking that

@obsidian wigeon

Yeah it’s giving me that same message

[obsidian wigeon]

odd

[plain grove]

Did I do anything wrong

[obsidian wigeon]

well it's probably corrupted

[plain grove]

What should I do

[obsidian wigeon]

redownload

delete everything of that and download again

[plain grove]

Alright

That’s the download right

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[plain grove]

It’s not letting me delete it

Keeps giving a error code

[obsidian wigeon]

what's the error?

[plain grove]

What does that mean

[obsidian wigeon]

click try again

[plain grove]

Just repeats its self

Yeah it’s refusing to delete

Just says working on it

Is there something else I can use

[obsidian wigeon]

mhmmm

it's downloading it says

just

restart i guess

then delete, it should do

oh yeah there's other ways to test too

just leave temp info software on, and game

then check back the max

[obsidian wigeon]

hmph

well just don't do it anymore then lol

do the second choice i told ya

keep like coretemp on in background

then run a game

[plain grove]

Alright

@obsidian wigeon

[obsidian wigeon]

just play it for a while

but those temps looks fine yes

[analog pulsar]

?

[autumn tide]

Anyone know a good motherboard that’ll work with ryzen 7 5800x cpu

[clever eagle]

an x570 or b550
hmm
a
i have the x570 tomahawk
maybe the asrock steel legend
aorus elite AX
rog strix b550

[autumn tide]

Let me try looking it up

Alright aorus elite ax v2 seems to work with the 5000 ryzen cpu

It’s on my amazon list

[tacit thistle]

is gtx 1650 good

[tight sorrel]

no

[autumn tide]

I’m just gonna wait

That’s the best thing we can do is wait for more rtx cards

[fossil cedar]

What country?

[fossil cedar]

Depends on your definition of good but pretty bad value

[tacit thistle]

which is good value ?

[fossil cedar]

Nothing rn

But 1650 was bad value even when launched

Best value will depend on your budget

Ideally a rtx 3060 ti fe but they rare af

[tacit thistle]

my budget is pretty low

[fossil cedar]

And what's your definition of low lol?

[tacit thistle]

300 for gpu .(

[fossil cedar]

300$?

[tacit thistle]

€

[fossil cedar]

You can probs get a 980 ti or 1080 used

[tacit thistle]

ok

[tight sorrel]

I think if you can get a used GTX1060 6GB, its better than a 1650

[peak ginkgo]

Yup, difference in at least 20+ FPS

And there's more Vram

Which isn't everything but good to have

[autumn tide]

South Carolina

I don’t have micro center in my area

[tacit thistle]

i think everything is better than my gpu at the moment

[sharp pelican]

Should i get this kit? https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164196?Item=N82E16820164196&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-164-196-_-09212021
or this one?
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232867?Item=N82E16820232867&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-232-867-_-09212021

[dapper mist]

I’m so close to getting the last part to build my pc, I’ve been working toward this for 4 years and it’s almost here

[tight sorrel]

nice!

[dapper mist]

I just need the graphics card

[tight sorrel]

pro tip: dont get impatient when assembling. youve waited this long, no need to rush the end a wreck something. Just take it easy and woosa when necessary 😉

[dapper mist]

Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind. I need to watch more videos on the subject to kind of recap the actual process of building it

[fossil cedar]

For a ryzen cpu? Ballistix, the gskill is cl18 instead of cl16

[sharp pelican]

alright, that works

[little osprey]

Dell T3400
stock 2.33 ghz cpu
Nvidia Quadro FX3800
6gb DDR2 or DDR3 ram

and that setup runs League of Legends and Minecraft java edition rather well.

Also forgot to mention all that stuff is running with Windows 10

and sarcastically a 40gb seagate sata hard drive from 10 years ago as it's page file drive. Just to prevent game lags in Minecraft and League of Legends. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My sff HP RP5800 that I have.

The only modification to that, was adding a pagefile drive

[snow turtle]

what’s a good site to benchmark and compare CPUs?

[potent portal]

3dmark gives a decent idea of gaming performance

[snow turtle]

the one that charges $19.99?

second time someone’s dished out on it lmao what’s wrong with that site? haven’t used but dk anything about tech

how come

[potent portal]

They literally change their weighting on the scores to favor intel

[snow turtle]

ahh

so is 3dmark the only good one? since it’s a demo i’m guessing a lot of stuff u can do with it is locked behind that paywall

[earnest olive]

no

you get unlimited access to time spy and fire strike benchmarks

the only annoying thing about the free version is that you can't remove the demo scene at the beginning

[potent portal]

Well you're limited in the number of runs you can do per day too

[earnest olive]

oh really? never knew that

[celest horizon]

Can just alt f4 through the demo at least

[earnest olive]

loserbenchmark will tell you that more than 4 threads is a waste and an i3-9350K beats an i9-9980XE overall

[celest horizon]

But yeah - I should pick up a ton of keys when they're $5 to resell (for $5)

[earnest olive]

they're stuck in like 2014 and think everyone that says otherwise is an AMD corporate shill lol

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg

[analog pulsar]

What would you rate these specs

[snow turtle]

yea i’ve got a list of like 8 cpus i need to compare but since it limits how much i can do in a day i’d prob have to wait

[analog pulsar]

(Not mine)

[snow turtle]

dually noted

[celest horizon]

Just look at userbench's raw numbers and ignore the % ratings, easy

But if you're new to hardware - yes, there are better reviews, gamersnexus, hardware unboxed, techpowerup

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DmCDGq

Gaming/streaming

[potent portal]

3.5/5 from me, maybe a 4 if tuned well

[earnest olive]

passmark isn't perfect but it achieves largely the same thing as userbenchmark but better

actual reviews are still the best

but sometimes you want quick and dirty number comparisons and that's okay

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DmCDGq

Gaming/streaming

[snow turtle]

yea very new, from the videos i’ve been watching for the last week the i5-10400F and i3 10100F are two that pop up a lot as well has them AMD ryzen 5 3600 and 5 1600

[earnest olive]

why not just buy the fans in 3 packs lmao

also

1000w psu for 5600x 6800xt?

[potent portal]

Forget the R5 1600
Way too old

[celest horizon]

Can't go wrong with a 10400f, depends on current prices/your budget

[earnest olive]

buy a more sensible psu and spend the savings on a second monitor

[little osprey]

Cheaper

[earnest olive]

streaming basically requires a second monitor

[little osprey]

I'll keep my moni I have now

[earnest olive]

the 3 packs will come with splitters

have fun controlling all those fans off of the one argb header your board has

[little osprey]

I actually don't need 9

[earnest olive]

you'll need some kind of hub

[little osprey]

I'll buy 3 pack then

2 3 pack

[snow turtle]

well budget went up to around $1.1k from 900 since it seems most of these pre builts would need a part or 2 replaced upon delivery

[earnest olive]

lol, most prebuilts need the case replaced

the average prebuilt case is a war crime

[potent portal]

That and the memory, even if the speed is good they use like 3600 c20 memory

[snow turtle]

yea most of the cases with the builds i’ve frequently come across are ick, hard to find a good white one , trying to avoid building a whole PC id rather swap a few parts out since no time to build

[potent portal]

If you go prebuilt look for models that have a mesh front panel at least, not glass. Those ones still aren't great but they're passable.

[fossil cedar]

If you can I'd try grab a 3080 instead for streaming because the nvenc encoder is better than the amd one

[celest horizon]

Much better

Or go 5900x

[fossil cedar]

Tbf the arctic rgb 3 pack is still being scalped for like 90$ for some reason

[snow turtle]

so mesh like this one has? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0946451DV?smid=A89QP6D3VDW1W&psc=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=pcbuilder035-20&linkId=cb83bae83c3afcfa58740db333b3e401&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

[potent portal]

Yes that's a mesh panel

[glacial umbra]

you were streaming control

meant to ping you in general though lol

mb

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[granite linden]

best build available rn for $1200?

im not great at finding good prices for gpus rn so just looking for opinions on those things

[potent portal]

Best way to build right now is to buy the gpu first.
You could get a prebuilt with a 3060 around that price right now.

[granite linden]

any prebuilts you know ?

[snow turtle]

so buying CPU first then MB isn’t the way to go ?

[granite linden]

i havent looked into any yet

[granite linden]

not currently, the gpu market is horrible rn

[snow turtle]

which is why i’ve stuck to pre built shopping

[glacial umbra]

unless you have money to buy a gpu when you see it and buy the mobo + cpu, I'd just hold until you can get a realistic deal on a gpu

[granite linden]

prebuilts are best case scenario right now unfortunately

[glacial umbra]

if you see a good deal but can't afford it, it'll suck

[granite linden]

my 2070S was $600 and thats a good deal rn

[snow turtle]

considering the market rn i’d do better to pre built then save and keep an eye on the market for an upgrade if the built needs it

[granite linden]

if prebuilts need anything its a better ssd lol

[glacial umbra]

fair enough, especially if you need the PC soon

[calm heron]

is that normal ??

[granite linden]

absolutely not

[calm heron]

i caant cook an egg

[glacial umbra]

not at all

[earnest olive]

101C at 89W?

[glacial umbra]

the gpu is fine

[calm heron]

whats the cost of this

[earnest olive]

what is ABS doing lol

[granite linden]

exactly what im thinkin

[earnest olive]

even the stock cooler should be able to dissipate 80W lol

[glacial umbra]

I just watched gamers nexus say ABS is probably your best choice for pre-builts lmao

[earnest olive]

they are

[glacial umbra]

the prestigious "better than dell" award

[calm heron]

what should i do

[earnest olive]

idk what happened to this guy's prebuilt tho LOL

took him like 2 hours to get into bios and his CPU is hitting 101C at 89W

[glacial umbra]

what case + cooler you got?

just send the pre-built link

[earnest olive]

he has an ABS prebuilt

[snow turtle]

i keep seeing a good two recommended ABS, but reviews ab their CustService or sometimes them putting faulty GPUS in/ DOA is tough

[granite linden]

anything above 80C is pretty dangerous for the parts

and hes 20C above that

[earnest olive]

ABS customer service is right here

[granite linden]

so yikes

[earnest olive]

objectively false

[calm heron]

https://www.newegg.com/global/sa-en/abs-ali560/p/N82E16883360190?Item=N82E16883360190

[granite linden]

*more prone to damage

not necessarily true for different parts

[earnest olive]

CPUs have been protecting themselves from thermal damage since like 1998

you can take the cooler off a pentium 4 and it'll still run without dying

[calm heron]

why this thing happend to my first high-end pc

fr

[earnest olive]

you don't want to be pegged at 100C but it's not because of damage

[glacial umbra]

unlucky really

[potent portal]

I'd check the mount and paste

Possible the cooler came loose in shipping

[glacial umbra]

that's what I was gonna say but what case and cooler is the pre-built?

[earnest olive]

having to unmount and remount a cooler is almost as much work as doing the whole build x)

[glacial umbra]

coolers are hell to install, I hate them all

[earnest olive]

a lot of coolers are a huge pain to unmount

more than they are to mount

[glacial umbra]

I hate doing both

[potent portal]

At least the wiring is done

[glacial umbra]

I hate PCs

[calm heron]

so what will happen to me now

[granite linden]

death

[calm heron]

cmon

[potent portal]

Death comes for us all though

[granite linden]

fr tho definitely check everything thoroughly

[calm heron]

i waited 8 years to get this pc and this happen

[glacial umbra]

honestly, if you're not comfy unmounting and remounting, you might as well call customer service and get an RMA

[granite linden]

best case scenario something is just loose

[glacial umbra]

or not comfy doing anything inside

[calm heron]

i live outside us

[glacial umbra]

might just get lucky and have to tighten the cooler a bit

[calm heron]

something with the cpu fan ?

cooler or something

[glacial umbra]

probably

send a picture of the case and cooler though

might just be a 5 dollar cooler with 0 airflow

[calm heron]

idk what cooler all i can see is just a rgp fan

spinning

[glacial umbra]

send a pic

[granite linden]

we gotta see it friend

[glacial umbra]

looks like a cheap thermaltake cooler

what's the airflow at the front like?

is it a solid glass panel?

[granite linden]

you can see the orange logo lol

[glacial umbra]

orange for on fire

[granite linden]

imagine its oriented wrong

[granite linden]

is that against a wall

[glacial umbra]

is the front of your PC facing a wall?

[glacial umbra]

maybe uhhh

flip it around?

if it's against a wall

its probably blocking off hella airflow

[calm heron]

noo

[granite linden]

and make sure the exhaust has space to blow air out too

[peak ginkgo]

Pictures aren't the best

[stoic island]

There's one easy thing you can try

Take the side panel off

Look at temps

[calm heron]

you see the 3 faans on front there's a glass behind them

[glacial umbra]

so glass front panel?

try what the yellow man said

take off your side panel and check the temps

[calm heron]

yellow man

[granite linden]

mr1111

[glacial umbra]

the holy yellow man

[stoic island]

'yellow man'

[glacial umbra]

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[glacial umbra]

praise be yellow man

[granite linden]

pretty racist

[glacial umbra]

...

[granite linden]

you made your bed now lay in it

[glacial umbra]

nap time?

[granite linden]

nap time

<3

[calm heron]

first

should i remoce this

remove

[glacial umbra]

is that a magnetic dust trap?

[fossil cedar]

Just leave it

[calm heron]

i guess so

[glacial umbra]

you should be fine just removing the side panel

just leave that on there

won't make much difference

[calm heron]

t

[glacial umbra]

yeah solid glass airflow

and a cheap cpu cooler

but still remove the side panel just to test if it's airflow

[calm heron]

ok

[tame nexus]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mpTsdD can someone look at the potential issues in this and tell me what I need to change lol

[calm heron]

like this ?

[glacial umbra]

tells you at the bottom

you're fine

[tame nexus]

So the case and mother board are fine

[glacial umbra]

hard to tell but as long as the whole glass side panel came off

[glacial umbra]

yes but you won't be able to use your USB 3.2 port

[calm heron]

i can touch the inside

[glacial umbra]

ok good

[stoic island]

3.2 gen 2 to be specific

Gen 1 will be fine

Gen 2 uses a different header

[glacial umbra]

yeah mb

[tame nexus]

Well as long as there are ones I can use

[glacial umbra]

go ahead and run a cpu stress test

[fossil cedar]

Usecase and budget?

[stoic island]

Run something relatively reasonable if possible

[calm heron]

like ?

[tame nexus]

Well that is someone’s build from here already

[stoic island]

You got occt?

Occt is neat

[calm heron]

what is that

.-.

[stoic island]

https://www.ocbase.com/

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but what will you be using it for? And what budget?

[stoic island]

Bruh what

[glacial umbra]

chrome moment

[tame nexus]

Everything gaming school whatever and 3k ig

[stoic island]

Occt is a virus now according to chrome?

[glacial umbra]

most things are according to Chrome

[tame nexus]

Chrome makes me mad

[glacial umbra]

go to the three dots, click downloads, click the three dots next to occt and you should be able to download anyways

[calm heron]

now it downloading at 200kb

[glacial umbra]

definitely chrome lmao

[stoic island]

Chrome can be fun

[calm heron]

sweet

even exploer

....

[earnest olive]

chrome is a virus

firefox gang

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9xNvp2

[calm heron]

i launhed occt

what now

[stoic island]

CPU test

Small dataset, everything else can be auto iirc

And just click run

[glacial umbra]

here's hoping the temps are lower than 100

lol

[tame nexus]

What about 2k after gpu bc I’ve already got the 3080 ti is there any big diffrence

[fossil cedar]

Ohh 2k excluding gpu owo

1 sec

[glacial umbra]

yeah cpu cooler is probably loose or something

[calm heron]

what do you mean loose

destroyed ?

[glacial umbra]

no no

the cpu cooler might not have enough pressure against the cpu

cooler might not be touching the cpu, etc etc

[calm heron]

whats the solution

[glacial umbra]

depends on your comfort level really

[calm heron]

sad

[glacial umbra]

you could try tightening the cooler

if that doesn't work, you could unmount it and check the thermal paste

[calm heron]

i need to check a video about that

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncjJ68 or 64gb ram or 5950x if you wish

[calm heron]

can you send a video about these stuff

[glacial umbra]

lemme see if I can find one

[tame nexus]

Kinda sad that cooler doesn’t come rgb lol

[fossil cedar]

The 360mm does

[tame nexus]

Does the 360mm work with that gpu

[glacial umbra]

oh the thermaltake UX100 doesn't have tightening, it's a clipon

[fossil cedar]

Ofc? The aio cools the cpu

Nothing to do with the gpu

[tame nexus]

Uneducated questions

Lol

Also lacking sleep

[fossil cedar]

It's okay lol

[tame nexus]

Didn’t even realize what I said until after

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f4m3ht

That will do if you want rgb

[tame nexus]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/33WBD3/crucial-ballistix-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4bl this is the same ram as that but black right

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that's fine lol

I just picked white cuz it was cheaper

[tame nexus]

Ight thanks

I’m gonna have to drive out to micro center to see if I can get a 5900x

And some other stuff

Only thing is it’s 2hrs away bc of traffic

[trail elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-big-gif-21053844

[tame nexus]

What even is that

Lol

[trail elbow]

Rly?

It’s giga chad

[tame nexus]

Just never knew the context of thet dude

[trail elbow]

Cause people who use that ram are chads

[fossil cedar]

Why they're in stock at b&h

[tame nexus]

Kinda want to go to a micro center just to see to

Never been to one

[fossil cedar]

Fair

[trail elbow]

Closes one to me is like 1 hour up in Tustin

[tame nexus]

I used to live 15 mins from it but it was way before I was ever into any pc

I moved away from that area when I was like 9

[trail elbow]

Wished they expanded

Only went to it once cause I say 9900k,s for 300$ usd

[tame nexus]

For the longest time I thought micro center was a Cali thing only

[trail elbow]

Lol

[tame nexus]

But then I found out there is the one in Chicago like 10 mins from where I used to go to school

[fossil cedar]

Btw wouldn't recommend buying more than a motherboard and cpu or gpu at micro center, rest of their stuff is pretty overpriced

[tame nexus]

Yeah

Do I need like another fan to install in the case too

[stoic island]

@calm heron in the end, keep in mind, PC is still usable, it's not going to blow up, gaming while the cpu is 90c doesn't really matter, the CPU can protect itself by downclocking, a d you'll just lose a little bit of performance.

[calm heron]

the problem is the heat

it smell

like a burning

iron

even whiile playing i can still feel the heat miles away

[stoic island]

That doesn't really change, undervolting might help, but heat is still heat, it has to go somewhere, if you have AC or a desk fan you can use to cool the room, that'll be good.

[calm heron]

😕

[stoic island]

Law of conservation of energy yaknow

[calm heron]

there no other way to fix it

i dont have to worry even if its 100c

[flint estuary]

you could put your pc in another room

[calm heron]

just keep playing ?

[flint estuary]

well 100c isnt good

you should probably upgrade your cpu cooler

that might help with the smell

[calm heron]

im thinking of buying cooler water

[flint estuary]

what cpu do you have?

[calm heron]

pre build

cheap cooler

[flint estuary]

yeah but what model of cpu? like a ryzen 3600x or a i5 10400?

or something else

[calm heron]

i7-17

[flint estuary]

those are just 2 common ones

hmm

[calm heron]

11700

[flint estuary]

the 11700 runs pretty hot, a water cooler could be a good option

though there are good performing air coolers too

[fossil cedar]

Nope

[glacial umbra]

doesn't help that the pre-built comes with a 15 dollar thermaltake cooler

[flint estuary]

yikes

yeah my friend bought a pre built lately and it came with some intel stock cooler looking thing that could barely cool the ryzen 5 3600

[glacial umbra]

sounds like hell

probably just as hot lmao

honestly, is 1440p worth the extra cost?

[flint estuary]

if you have a 27"+ monitor? yes

[glacial umbra]

yeah it'd be 27"

just kinda worried about the price of it

[flint estuary]

I would definitely reccomend it if you can afford it, otherwise 1080p is fine

I have a samsung odyssey g7 32", 1440p is good for the size of it

[glacial umbra]

alright, I think I'll buy the 1440p one then as much as I wanna spend the money I'd save with 1080p on games lol

[flint estuary]

itll be worth it, likely more future proof than a 1080p monitor

[glacial umbra]

yeah, might as well get 1440p if I'm going to get a 3070

[flint estuary]

absolutely yeah

the 3070 is overkill for 1080p

[glacial umbra]

I was originally planning on going for 3060 or 3060 ti if I was gonna get 1080p

but I might as well splurge a little lol

[flint estuary]

even a 3060 would perform pretty well for 1440p

I have a 6700 xt which performs about the same as a majority of 3070s (according to benchmarks at least) and its good for 1440p

[glacial umbra]

if i get a 1440p monitor now, I won't have to worry about upgrading my monitor again anytime in the future as well

[flint estuary]

exactly

thats why I got a samsung G7

[glacial umbra]

glad to hear, I'll probably stick with the 1440p kinda build then

[flint estuary]

1440p is going to be the new standard for a while I imagine

[glacial umbra]

thats gonna be weird to imagine

[flint estuary]

yeah considering 1080p has been the most common resolution for years

[glacial umbra]

it's crazy how far pc parts have come in such a short amount of times

[flint estuary]

yeah its just such a shame with the stock shortages

I bought my 6700 xt scalped, only way I could afford it was by selling off my previous gpu at going prices

[glacial umbra]

here's hoping that it's not an issue soon

I just wanna get a 3070 without spending 24 hours on PC sites lol

[glacial umbra]

ah that sucks to hear, never good to overpay but atleast you enjoy it

[flint estuary]

yeah it was definitely worth it

only put in around $150 extra after selling my old gpu so it wasnt a huge expense

[glacial umbra]

yeah, I'm gonna be selling my old PC and I'm hoping that it'll put a big bump into my next build

hoping that I can get a 3070 or 3060ti for msrp

[flint estuary]

yeah hopefully

[glacial umbra]

any idea if the newegg shuffle is in Canada as well?

[cursive wharf]

QHD is even nice on 24" tbf. I had fair amt of shimming on my old 24" FHD display when I use to use it

[flint estuary]

yeah higher pixel density is higher pixel density after all

[flint estuary]

i think it is, not totally sure though

[cursive wharf]

Shuffle is still US only last I checked

[inland parrot]

What is the diffrence and which one should I get

[fossil cedar]

cant see the packaging well enough

[fossil cedar]

us only

newegg ca might drop gpus tho

[inland parrot]

Now can you see it

[topaz kestrel]

one is 50ft

lol

[inland parrot]

Yeah one is long but 1 says 1gbps and the other says 10 gbps

[fossil cedar]

looks like one is 50ft one is 150ft?

[inland parrot]

Are they the same

In gbps

[topaz kestrel]

the 10gbps will be better

[fossil cedar]

i mean if top one is 150ft the max theoretical speed dropping makes sense

[topaz kestrel]

@inland parrot if you dont need a long cable get the 10gbps one, if you need a long cable get the 1gbps one

[inland parrot]

K

[calm heron]

sorry i forgot to say thanks for the help :3

[glacial umbra]

damn that sucks

[fossil cedar]

Mhm

[glacial umbra]

you ended up fixing it?

[stoic island]

Anyways, undervolting still an option if you want to

[stoic island]

Heat is still heat

[vernal dirge]

Meh you’re not gonna reach those speeds anyways unless you’re transferring data in network.

And then you gotta make sure your routers and switches support 10 gbps.

[calm heron]

nah its still heat

but i moved my setup

and put my aircon direct to my pc

it helped a little bit

[stoic island]

Nice

[glacial umbra]

its gonna get dusty really quick but that's better than a furnace

[stoic island]

Probably not..?

[glacial umbra]

no?

having a fan pointing directly into your PC?

my pc got dusty really quick just from having the side panel off

[stoic island]

That wouldn't make it dusty that quickly

Unless your room is just really dusty

[calm heron]

i will clean it each week if its dirty

[stoic island]

Then that's just that

[earnest olive]

alexa play darude sandstorm

[stoic island]

Lol

[calm heron]

also i will buy a water cooler, do you have any suggestions

[stoic island]

You don't have to

[earnest olive]

depends on what your case can support

[stoic island]

And yea

Depends on the case

[calm heron]

i need water cooler because mine are cheap as hell

[stoic island]

If it fits 240mm top, freezer ii 240mm would be nice

[earnest olive]

if you want to improve cooling you should probably get a better case tbh

[topaz kestrel]

alexa play despacito

[earnest olive]

that glass front is going to limit your cooling

[stoic island]

And yea

[earnest olive]

but swapping a case is more work than doing a custom build lol

[stoic island]

Glass front not neatest

[earnest olive]

maybe you can take off the glass front

you can try it

[stoic island]

Hey you'll probably need to take Mobo out to take backplate off for swapping cooler anyways soo

[calm heron]

im really a lazy guy so water cooler is my best bet

i didn't think of removing the front glass

[topaz kestrel]

cool it with liquid nitrogen

ez

[stoic island]

Roboclocker not available yet smh

[earnest olive]

try it, most cases can pop off the front panel

[topaz kestrel]

just pour liquid nitrogen on it every 2mins

ez

[earnest olive]

I bought a bad case with a solid front for my first build because I didn't know better

when I took off the solid front my temps dropped by 9C

[topaz kestrel]

@earnest olive you are 100% going to use liquid nitrogen to cool your next pc

[earnest olive]

I just put 3 noctuas in the front and ran it with no front panel

worked fine

[stoic island]

Dunno if prebuilts will have same features but could try

[earnest olive]

had a dust filter over the fans so it didn't get dustier

it's ABS

they use off the shelf components

including cases

[stoic island]

@earnest olive it's your calling to buy trex pot now

[earnest olive]

his case is some deepcool matrexx

trex pot?

[stoic island]

(cheapo cases don't really care about features usually)

Ln2 pot

[earnest olive]

why would I buy ln2 when I can just blow on my cpu to cool it smh

[stoic island]

Lol

[topaz kestrel]

strat

[earnest olive]

but yeah the front can most likely come off

there might not be an dust filter

but he said he's fine with cleaning it

[stoic island]

True

[earnest olive]

he should be able to fit a 360 aio in the front

if he really wants

[stoic island]

Might have issues with bottom things depending on case tho

Drive cages and such

[earnest olive]

yeah maybe

gotta take a more detailed look at it

[vague oracle]

What case?

[snow turtle]

tryna see sum, so i5-9600K or i5-10400F ? for gaming and light work

10400F has faster 64 core speed and thread counts but 9600K has faster frequencies, don’t rlly know which to prioritize

[vague oracle]

10400F is the way to go

Frequencies don’t really matter much

[jagged ember]

It's a generation newer

[peak ginkgo]

10400f all day

[vague oracle]

The 10400F has hyper threading

[jagged ember]

And probably has hyperthreading

Yep

[vague oracle]

9600K doesn’t

[jagged ember]

Unlike the 9600

[vague oracle]

9000 series Intel was sad

[jagged ember]

9th series were real dumb tbh

Lmao

[vague oracle]

Only one that made somewhat sense was the 9900K

[jagged ember]

Even then...

Meh

[vague oracle]

The 9900K was the only one that had hyper threading

[fossil cedar]

10400f, 9600k doesn't have hyperthreading, and not on a 3 year old dead platform

[vague oracle]

But it was about on par with a 3700X

[fossil cedar]

@little osprey what is your use for the pc and what budget?

Nvm you just need help building?

Your post was a bit confusing?

[vernal dirge]

Did the 9700k not have hyper threading??

Huh it didn’t.

[fossil cedar]

Nope just the 9900k, 9700k was the dumbest chip

[little osprey]

the dumbest chip was the i3 7350k

overclockable i3 🤡

[fossil cedar]

Why not allow ppl to oc an i3 tho lol

They the ppl that need it the most

[snow turtle]

thanks thanks, userbenchmark showed 10400F being the most chosen one anyways and now i can see why

cheaper too

[fossil cedar]

Don't use userbenchmark for the love of god

Please

[snow turtle]

someone said earlier it was fine i-

what’s wrong with it ?

[fossil cedar]

Then they don't know what they talking bout

[fossil cedar]

https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg

[cursive tusk]

Finally came in bois

[fossil cedar]

Pog

[snow turtle]

ffffff checking 3dmark

[fossil cedar]

I mean 10400f is a bit better and cheaper and a b560 is gonna be easier to get than a b360

Or even z390

[earnest olive]

thought we talked about loserbenchmark this morning 👁️

[snow turtle]

yea i think i misconstrued some advice said earlier

[fossil cedar]

Sips?

Mb this should be pinned kek

https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg

[snow turtle]

which b360 you mentioning ? i see diff brands pop up

[fossil cedar]

Don't get a b360, just get a b560 and a 10400f, which b560 will depend on country

[marble gust]

Maybe you should. Interesting video

[potent portal]

It really shows just how bad it is. They've literally weighted the scores favoring memory latency first and single core speed second now. It even tells you not to get more than 4 cores lol.

[fossil cedar]

@snow turtle in most countries would recommend the msi b560 pro vdh (wifi) btw

[snow turtle]

i don’t exactly know how to search this question, but the “wifi” part, that a game changer in any way? an option or best option ?

[fossil cedar]

There's just one version of the board with wifi

So msi b560m pro vdh

And msi b560m pro vdh wifi

Same performance etc just the wifi one has wifi and Bluetooth

[snow turtle]

ohhh ok looking into it thnx

[fossil cedar]

Np

[soft lotus]

I got a amd 5950x processor it it'd heating at start up

Any1 can help me?

[fossil cedar]

How hot?

[soft lotus]

95$ degrees. I just hooked it all up

I'll take a picture

[glacial umbra]

lmao

[fossil cedar]

95c or 95f?

[glacial umbra]

good video thanks for sending

[fossil cedar]

Np

[soft lotus]

I can't send a picture here

My fan isn't turning on in the case and cpu is getting hot and than immediately turns off

[fossil cedar]

Did you plug the cpu coolers fan in to the cpu_fan header? Also what cpu cooler?

[celest horizon]

It was nice for the price at the time, HT + the poor ihs/die/TIM design made the 9900k too hard to cool without direct die

I'd still prefer a 9700k with a strong IMC over a 5600x for a personal gamer.

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough i didn't realize the ihs was bad on it, is it diff from the other 9th gen chips?

[celest horizon]

No, 9th gen in general had a thick die, junk TIM

[fossil cedar]

Tim?

[celest horizon]

solder

[fossil cedar]

Ahh

[celest horizon]

You can put 300w+ through a 10900k on water no problem

[fossil cedar]

I no has authorisation

[fossil cedar]

I see

[analog pulsar]

Man me looking at #build-pics it looks so much fun to build pcs maybe when I get job I can build pc and get better at it but rn all I have rn to build pc is PCBS

[analog pulsar]

Would you guys go 3080 over 3060ti for vr title games

[hidden oracle]

Okay then

[wispy matrix]

budget?

[hidden oracle]

Uh I need a prebuilt gaming pc for 1500 CAD

[sand falcon]

Do you need peripherals in that budget?

[hidden oracle]

Uh

What do you mean?

I'm not that good with pcs to be honest

[wispy matrix]

peripherals meaning a keyboard and mouse

[sand falcon]

Keyboard, mouse, monitor, headset, etc

[hidden oracle]

Oh not now

Just the pc for 1500$

I'Il buy the peripherals later

[sand falcon]

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194
How's this look?

[hidden oracle]

That's the one that I spotted

[sand falcon]

Nice

[hidden oracle]

I don't know if it's the best I can have for that price tho

[sand falcon]

If you're buying from newegg, it is

Could check amazon but honestly I hate their filters

[hidden oracle]

Yeah I know

And I checked

Most of the pcs (for 1500$) have an RTX 1660

[sand falcon]

OOF

[hidden oracle]

So meh

[sand falcon]

Okay

3060 is a pretty solid card, it's what I'm running in my personal rig

[hidden oracle]

But I kinda want the Omen 30L

If I can find it anywhere for like 1600, I'Il buy it right away

[wispy matrix]

i would suggest abs over Omen

[sand falcon]

^

[hidden oracle]

Oh

[sand falcon]

Omen is not great build quality

[hidden oracle]

But I like the design of the case

[sand falcon]

Not horrible, but not great

[hidden oracle]

Oh okay

But do you know a website for prebuilts (in canada)

[sand falcon]

newegg

[hidden oracle]

Like amazon or newegg

[sand falcon]

I'm not good with canada

[wispy matrix]

newegg is better than amazon for prebuilts

[hidden oracle]

Yeah I know

[wide sparrow]

Truth

[hidden oracle]

RTX 1660 for 1500$

[wispy matrix]

but im not familiar with Canada

but i have a friends who are from canada

[hidden oracle]

CyberC4 Pre-Built PC Gaming Computer Desktop Malefic 9 (AMD Ryzen 5 1400 4.2 GHz, Asus GTX 1050 2GB Fans, 8GB DDR4 RAM, M.2 128 GB SSD, 500 GB HDD, Wi-Fi Ready, Windows 10 Pro

For 1300 CAD

[wispy matrix]

thats even worse

[sand falcon]

That's a hard pass

[hidden oracle]

I know

That's-

Anyways

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194?Item=N82E16883360194

I guess imma buy this one

But for the monitor

There's too much choices

[sand falcon]

Monitors I definitely don't do

[wispy matrix]

thats Wideus's section

[sand falcon]

I know the m27q and that's pretty much it lol

[wispy matrix]

#peripherals-and-displays

[hidden oracle]

My budget is 500$ CAD ($390 USD)

[sand falcon]

#old-monitors-and-tv

[wispy matrix]

oops sorry

[sand falcon]

Ah, perfect

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16824012018?Description=m27q&cm_re=m27q-_-24-012-018-_-Product

The one monitor I know fits nicely in that budget!

[stoic island]

m27q great

[hidden oracle]

But is there any ways to have a good curved monitor for this price?

[wispy matrix]

https://www.amazon.ca/AOC-C27G2Z-Curved-Computer-Monitor/dp/B088LG2BSW/

[sand falcon]

curved = bad

(personal preference btw)

[hidden oracle]

Why is that?

Curved screens are that bad?

[sand falcon]

They round, I don't like round

[hidden oracle]

Oh

So it's only a preference

[sand falcon]

Yup, it just throws me off a bit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hidden oracle]

Understandable

But I personaly like it

It feels nice

[snow turtle]

any good ryzen 5 tier cpus by recommendation?

[tame nexus]

This any good or worth?

I’m prob gonna upgrade the ram and storage

If I get it

[stoic island]

but also ips = flat

[hidden oracle]

To be honest, laptops are hard to upgrade

[tame nexus]

Not me I meant

Bring it to micro center or something

[hidden oracle]

Oh

It's USD?

[stoic island]

but also laptop storage and ram usually fairly easy to swap

[little osprey]

Yeah pretty good deal I might have to buy it

[lucid burrow]

hii

i got a question

im planning on buying on a pc like rn

but idk if should got for an 10th gen i5 or i3

cus like im on a budget

[stoic island]

specifics

are needed

[lucid burrow]

specifics as in my budget?

[stoic island]

everything

which i3 in what prebuild

what is the budget

what is the use case

which i5 in which prebuild

[lucid burrow]

well im planning on either the 10105f or 10400f

and my budget is ever so slighty under 500 dollars

and im gonna use for it gaming and streaming

[stoic island]

10105f and 10400f both have no iGPU, and fitting a dGPU into a <500$ budget is a bit hard

[lucid burrow]

oh yeah the gpu is not included

im just including everything apart for the gpu rn

[stoic island]

uh

then you'll at least want an iGPU

[lucid burrow]

no i mean im getting one just not including the 500 dollar budget

[stoic island]

Why..?

If you're getting a GPU later, you'll want an iGPU now

[lucid burrow]

500 dollars my money and my parents are gonna pay for my gpu

[stoic island]

Are you sure you'll get a GPU? stock ain't the best atm, and you don't exactly want like a gtx 650

[lucid burrow]

im settling for a 970 for now plus im still in school

i live in malaysia so the gtx 970s are actually pretty decently priced

[stoic island]

Malaysia prices make things a lot more annoying

but well, with usd pricing, this is good nuff for 500$
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWpm68

[snow turtle]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala237/p/N82E16883360101?Item=N82E16883360101 vs https://www.newegg.com/p/1VK-005B-000U0?Item=9SIAKVHF2H0338 ?

[lucid burrow]

doesnt intel provide a cooler? just asking

[stoic island]

Yes but you can do better

[little osprey]

Just get an Xbox series x or ps5 if all you’re doing is gaming

[stoic island]

it's optional, but stock cooler can get loud and annoying

[little osprey]

PC’s for $500 are not great

[lucid burrow]

i need it for school too

[little osprey]

Ah

[lucid burrow]

i see

[little osprey]

Honestly I recommend like a used 1650 laptop

Great for schoolwork and pretty good for gaming

[lucid burrow]

i actually found a really decently priced 10th gen i5 but the seller ghosted me :')

[little osprey]

It’s also probably one of the best things you can find for your price range for gaming, excluding consoles

[lucid burrow]

i mean id like that but idk much abt laptops cus yk if i settle for a pc i can just upgrade it over time

[stoic island]

I mean, 970 definitely isn't bad if they can get one

[lucid burrow]

btw @stoic island for the mobo provided in the part picker i can upgrade to a 10th gen i5 yes?

[stoic island]

consoles are just annoying imo on a budget, cost overall stack up a lot over time :p

[stoic island]

I mean, any lga1200 chip will fit, would not suggest k skus unless they're cheap since can't oc on b560, but yea.

[lucid burrow]

ooooo

well thanks !!! im gonna make my purchases now 😁

[stoic island]

I mean, check prices where you're at

local markets generally has different prices, so there can be better options specifically in your local stores for cheaper

a mobo that costs 100usd in the US might show up in a local store for 200usd, which can make it a horrible deal.

[lucid burrow]

ohh i see

i forgot to mention im buyin second hand 😅

[stoic island]

Then look at the list as a general guide

10100f -> Either 10100(f) or 10105(f) works
B560m pro vdh -> Practically any B560 boards work, hopefully with 4 ram slots and 2 m.2 slots at least
Silicon power 3200c16 2x8gb sticks -> Any 2x8gb sticks that's 3000c15/3000c16/3200c16 or similar

etc

PSU wise, go by this
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list/

SSD wise, you can go by this
https://github.com/windshields/Gamezoid-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[lucid burrow]

wow thanks

btw is it gonna affect performance if i settle for slower ram

like 2666

[stoic island]

yes

[lucid burrow]

instead of 3200

[lucid burrow]

is it a big difference?

[stoic island]

GN talks about how much performance it loses here (B460 locking to 2666mhz ram makes the 10400 a bad buy because of the performance drops due to 2666mhz ram)
https://youtu.be/csFwlKgZCzM

[lucid burrow]

i just found a really good deal for 10105f XD

[stoic island]

it can be a good 10%-20% performance difference

[lucid burrow]

ohhh i see

[stoic island]

example chart from gn

[lucid burrow]

oh wow

ill just stick to 3200mhz then 😅

i wanna show the deal i got but i cant send pics 😔

[stoic island]

ye, make sure to grab b560 board and not b460 board, since b560 doesn't lock you to 2666mhz

for now

[lucid burrow]

gotcha!!!

[snow turtle]

so goin AMD better choice?

[stoic island]

wat

where did I say that

that statement is for a very specific situation

and the existence nowadays of B560 makes Intel nice

[lucid burrow]

oh btw

how do i check for anything on second hand parts to make sure it isnt faulty

[snow turtle]

no im asking in general, like in comparison to like an i3-i5-19 to a ryzen 5

[stoic island]

need to test them in-person if possible

[stoic island]

and the problem is that you can't do that with PC parts, every model differs

:(

if the question is 11400 vs 5600x, it goes both ways, 11400 (when at msrp) is usually cheaper, offering very similar performance.

But if the question is like 10600k vs 1600x, 10400 will slap the 1600x

[lucid burrow]

ok so how bout the cooler

do all coolers fit on all mobos

[stoic island]

The cooler will fit a certain socket

Most coolers will fit lga115x/1200

some might need brackets

some might just be mechanically incompatible

[snow turtle]

this is what i get confused on when researching, 10400 shows good stats with 1600x not rlly far behind, difference would be prices of both ig

[stoic island]

1600x not rlly far behind

what kind of benchmarks are you looking at

[snow turtle]

dont remember wouldnt have been 3dmark i think it was a diff site

[lucid burrow]

i found a id-cooling se-224xt will that work?

[calm heron]

does reducing High settings on games will make the cpu cooler and less ustage

[stoic island]

uhh

[stoic island]

se-224-xt could work

[stoic island]

very much depends, with frame cap, maybe

[calm heron]

144

[stoic island]

maybe

[lucid burrow]

i found it for like super cheap

[calm heron]

oki thanks ~

[stoic island]

looked up 10400f review, clicked the second link that popped up, went to 1080p gaming charts, and just on average, 1600x kinda not close to 10400f

[snow turtle]

[stoic island]

zoomed in slightly with 1600x highlighted

tbh prob shouldn't have used tpu's long as heck chart but I like tpu for relative performance chart for laziness

[snow turtle]

anytime i search tpu all i see is stuff popping up about thermoplastic polyurethane

[stoic island]

looks like search engines can understand tpu to me but it's techpowerup

[snow turtle]

ahh searched that instead and now i see that

[rich saddle]

anyone rlly good with pcs?

[snow turtle]

so as a starter build for gaming and maybe light video editing, is one not worth it? https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala237/p/N82E16883360101?Item=N82E16883360101 |||||https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FBK2DK5/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_glt_fabc_BK6KGPQQVK95RKB2037S?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[little osprey]

It’s okay

[snow turtle]

both meh?

[stoic island]

both wacky

a 1650 at nearly 1000$ is a no from me

and the second one is just cpu and gpu fine, rest of system wack

[obsidian wigeon]

just ask your question

that question is like doubting people's knowledge here kek

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLx2ht what do you guys think I should change

[obsidian wigeon]

4000mhz ram won't run well unless you're lucky and do a lot of tuning

I suggest just going with 3600

And get 4x8 kit for guaranteed stability

And if you're getting literally two ssds that are 1tb, it's better off you just go with one 2tb

[little osprey]

Sk Hynix doesn’t have 2tb

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

Well then Imma look for alternatives to it

Imma change it up for ya

The O11D doesn't do well on air by the way, I suggest do case swap

[little osprey]

I believe sk Hynix is the fastest ssd on the market, at least that’s what I’ve been told

[obsidian wigeon]

But if you insist, I won't stop ya

It's one of the best value more like, not exactly the fastest but up there

[little osprey]

Yes ik that, I might not even do an airflow build anyway, might just custom loop

[obsidian wigeon]

fair

Imma keep the case then

[little osprey]

Yeah that sounds about right

[obsidian wigeon]

Does the ram have to be white and rgb?

[little osprey]

Nah

[obsidian wigeon]

Cause it's pretty cheap for crucial ballistix

They're black and non rgb

[little osprey]

Price doesn’t matter too much

[obsidian wigeon]

White ones has no price on pcpp

kk

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P48bBc @little osprey

I did my best with it

Yeah the ssd seems to actually be cheaper than other 2tb drives alone lmao

[little osprey]

Thanks

[analog pulsar]

Is hot air supposed to rise

Yes

I think my case is broken

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[analog pulsar]

So pc on desk vram temps are about 88c-90C I have my pc on the floor rn bc I wanna get it out of the way so I can get my old monitor off desk easier

Pc on floor and my vram temps are 100C

[obsidian wigeon]

That's

[analog pulsar]

Ik it's sus right

[obsidian wigeon]

Not how it really works, in that context we speak of

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[obsidian wigeon]

Heat in the case

[analog pulsar]

Yea but what's different from floor to desk

[obsidian wigeon]

Also on the floor it might have less airflow

So that's why

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[obsidian wigeon]

You get less dust on desk too

[analog pulsar]

But floor is same as desk something underneath of it

[trail elbow]

8 gigs of ram 🥲

[obsidian wigeon]

Weird, but just keep it on the desk then lel

[analog pulsar]

I'm pretty sure there's not that much dust in pc

[trail elbow]

[analog pulsar]

I just put it on floor

[analog pulsar]

Will do

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali521/p/N82E16883360126 get this

it's 1099 bucks with a lot better specs