building-and-recc-chat

[obsidian wigeon]

but i guess the specs are like that

[small tinsel]

oh I did? Woops'

[frank stirrup]

soon yes

[obsidian wigeon]

i kinda wanna say to wait for ryzen 5000xt refresh

[potent portal]

They're technically available now but first gen on the new spec is going to be buggy

[obsidian wigeon]

3d cache is gonna make it speedier

it's still ddr4 cause am4

but im sure they gonna cost more

like at least 50 more compared to non xt

[small tinsel]

@fathom grove what price? The ram?

[fathom grove]

@small tinsel yes th DDR5

[small tinsel]

whats the pricing looking like? I didnt realize they announced it

[obsidian wigeon]

no pricing yet

but it will be expensive

[small tinsel]

@obsidian wigeon whats the ryzen 5000xt refresh?

[potent portal]

Yeah the first gen DDR5 should be about the same performance and price as the best DDR4

[obsidian wigeon]

it's cpu from amd

runs on ddr4 tho

[potent portal]

"In theory"

[obsidian wigeon]

6000 series from amd will use ddr5

that'll come out next year

[small tinsel]

ahhh

[obsidian wigeon]

5000xt series is soon

[small tinsel]

how soon is soon? 😮

[fathom grove]

@small tinsel the price is mostly speculation but they say around $310

[obsidian wigeon]

a month or two, perhaps

however

what cooler do you currently have?

5600x runs toasty

if you want to upgrade now

[small tinsel]

@obsidian wigeon is it going to be a big enough difference to where I should wait for that?

[obsidian wigeon]

i honestly dunno ngl

but perf uplift does seem promising

[potent portal]

According to AMD it's like 2-14% better depending on the game

[obsidian wigeon]

cause they basically get double the cache

2-14

eh not worth the price to pay

[potent portal]

Yeah cause some things cache thrash more

[obsidian wigeon]

just get 5600x tbh, price increase won't be good

[small tinsel]

Sp this is what I have currently
Processor: i7-6850K CPU @ 3.60GHz
Motherboard: ASUS X99-Deluxe II LGA 2011-V3
Power Supply: Corsair 850W CXM
Liquid Cooler: Corsair H115I
RAM: Crucial 32gb
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA HYBRID GAMING

[obsidian wigeon]

ah, that's fine for 5600x

cooler won't need upgrading

[fathom grove]

to add to what foxy is saying just make sure you have a good enough cooler

nevermind

[small tinsel]

can I do the 5900 on it?

[obsidian wigeon]

just buy new mobo, ram and cpu

[fathom grove]

that cooler is good

[obsidian wigeon]

5900x, i wouldn't do it

[fathom grove]

xD

[obsidian wigeon]

5600x would do fine on it

[potent portal]

Yes but why ?

No need for all those cores if just gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

it's not needed for 3080ti in most cases

5600X or 5800X would be nice choices

And some 3600C16 ram

[fathom grove]

@potent portal that famous question

[small tinsel]

Na I content create. I work in video games. So im modeling and rendering stuff all day to XD

not one of them minecraft players with the best pc out there XD

[obsidian wigeon]

Well.. modelling and rendering would use the gpu better than that

[potent portal]

Ok if you use programs that use multithreading properly the 5900X is fine

[obsidian wigeon]

Or that ^

[potent portal]

But yes more rendering programs will use the GPU than the CPU

[obsidian wigeon]

Wait, doesn't 5900X run cooler than 5800X?

Cause multi ccx

Less dense in heat

[potent portal]

Unless you tell it to use the CPU instead but... why? It's slower.

[potent portal]

Yes, lower heat density

[obsidian wigeon]

good

[potent portal]

6 core CCX x2

[obsidian wigeon]

Not sure if the H115i can handle it

[small tinsel]

yeah the programs I use multi-thread

[obsidian wigeon]

People seems to report decent temps

neh, just get good tube of paste and it'll be okay

[potent portal]

If you undervolt it like you're supposed to heat isn't a problem on Zen 3 at all I find

[obsidian wigeon]

even stock the h115i can handle it

with pbo on and all

[fathom grove]

anyways im out all have a good one

[potent portal]

I'm running my 5800X overclocked on a cheap $70 240mm aio and I'm getting some top scores overclocking

[small tinsel]

Bye Grim. Thank youu!

[obsidian wigeon]

how's the temps?

[potent portal]

Just gotta undervolt

[small tinsel]

SO anyway 💩
What should I upgrade to?

[potent portal]

I hit 90 in r23 but I set my throttle point to 110 so heat's not an issue

If you're doing content creation that will use the threads then 5800X or 5900X

5950X is more for 4k video editing and servers running VMs

[pale dust]

@wheat coral BIRTHDAY?

[small tinsel]

Yeah I have heard the 950 isnt worth is.
Is it worth the $100 difference between the 800 and 900?

[pale dust]

which aio is it

[potent portal]

That depends, is the potential time saved worth $100 to you?

[pale dust]

im looking for a cheap aio too

i saw the ml360 for like 79 the other day

[potent portal]

ML240L, if you're looking at that go for the V2

[pale dust]

oh

i see

[pale dust]

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-liquid-cooling-system-masterliquid-ml360-mirror/p/N82E16835103313?item=N82E16835103313&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-liquid+%2F+water+cooling-_-N82E16835103313&gclid=CjwKCAjw4KyJBhAbEiwAaAQbE_Cc7cC1G02V2KHdHS3kyZ5qo26DAcwNCuMMj9mvaiBZ14OmQKWz6RoCYV8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.dsh

would this be worse?

[small tinsel]

so if I got the 900. I need to upgrade my ram. But the motherboard can stay right?

[pale dust]

because it seems rather cheap for a 360 aio

[potent portal]

It's not a bad aio, just louder than similar, more expensive ones

[potent portal]

If you're doing creation stuff like that then you can go for the 5900X with a decent B550 motherboard and 32gb of 3600 c16 memory. I'll throw some parts on a list.

[small tinsel]

so I get how upgrading other parts affects how the pc runs. But im not sure about the motherboard. Why does a motherboard need upgrading in this situation?>

[potent portal]

Because your Intel X99 motherboard doesn't support AMDs new AM4 processors

[small tinsel]

Ahhh 😮

[rigid latch]

I don't wanna interrupt but can I get some help when someone has a chance?

[pale dust]

i understand

i only have a 5600x

so i could probably just lower the fan curves if i wanted right

[potent portal]

Yep you can turn it down

[celest horizon]

5950x would be real nice for that. Or wait for alder lake, better both single and multi thread.

[pale dust]

how much performance is ddr5 adding

[potent portal]

Here's some parts I'd recommend for you https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N47L8J

[small tinsel]

@celest horizon LOL Forks with the curve ball telling me to get the even higher one

[lucid pagoda]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PDZ5ZLT?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&pldnSite=1 or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083LBPS4K/?tag=pcce-20 ? one is cheaper but idk if it is quality

[potent portal]

It can be worth it if the extra cores save you time, and therefore allow you to make more money, but really only in that case

[celest horizon]

5900x is great as well

[pale dust]

get the more expensive one

[potent portal]

So far? Not much. Only about as good as high end DDR4

[lucid pagoda]

kk

[pale dust]

the way efficiency works

youll make that money back

[lucid pagoda]

yeah

[pale dust]

in electricity costs at one point or another

[celest horizon]

Even the 5600x is probably 30% more performance than a 6850k running stock to stock

[pale dust]

and also better components and higher wattage

[wheat coral]

yes

[small tinsel]

@potent portal thanks for the list! Is this Ram some of the best stuff you can get?

[pale dust]

woooo

get a nice cake

[potent portal]

Yes, and that one is one sale right now. Probably b-die from the look of it, best of the best.

[lucid pagoda]

thoughts? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8vMk2V

[small tinsel]

b-die?

[pale dust]

get a 1440p monitor, or a higher refresh one

[serene pulsar]

Hey

How is this pc

[warm pasture]

@rigid latch

[serene pulsar]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali454/p/N82E16883360038

[lucid pagoda]

thats it?

[celest horizon]

That 4000c18 is probably djr

Hard to say

[potent portal]

One of the best memory dies for overclocking

[warm pasture]

Someone has a question about their build !

[celest horizon]

There's no way that 4000c18 kit is b-die

[pale dust]

yeah

[rigid latch]

Hey ,can someone help me find 2 of my Sata ports, I can't seem to find 2 of the ones every spec sheet says is there

[pale dust]

none of the other stuff is bad

[lucid pagoda]

awsome

[serene pulsar]

Who is all these people

[pale dust]

the ram is an odd choice but its fine too

[lucid pagoda]

lol

[pale dust]

but definitely get a better monitor

[potent portal]

Looks good for a budget build

[pale dust]

because that 3060 ti is useless

at 1080p 144hz

[serene pulsar]

Never seen y’all on build chat

Nice to meet ya

[rigid latch]

Thanks , it's a little hard to get a word in edgewise tho lol

[pale dust]

wait

i didnt realize

i was in build chat

[earnest olive]

disagree

[pale dust]

well

[earnest olive]

depends on game

[pale dust]

yeah but for most games

[warm pasture]

@rigid latch is new and so am I but he has a question and is being buried in the chat

[pale dust]

what games would a 3060 ti struggle in

other then like

fs2020

[celest horizon]

This is good dual rank b-die for the price tbh
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374149

[serene pulsar]

Ah okay. Normally most don’t type in here. Not always so busy

[earnest olive]

there are many games where a 3060ti will fail to deliver triple digit fps at 1440p

[warm pasture]

Ahhh I see

[serene pulsar]

Lots of people up I suppose

It’s okays

[potent portal]

And it's $100 more than the other kit

[pale dust]

that is true

[lucid pagoda]

im thinking 306 or 3060 ti, whatever I can get. also, what budget 1440p monitor(s) would you recomend?

[pale dust]

hmm

[warm pasture]

Better ask your question again @rigid latch lol

[pale dust]

the gigabyte one

is good

m27q

[serene pulsar]

@lucid pagoda

[potent portal]

M27Q

[rigid latch]

Yeah ,I've even posted in the board chat but still haven't gotten any reply @warm pasture

[serene pulsar]

M27Q Gigabyte

299$

[celest horizon]

Yeah - if you're just running xmp, probably better to go with some crucial 3600 32GB kit

[potent portal]

What model board is it?

[little osprey]

Anyone know of a good gaming laptop about $2.5k or lower?

[warm pasture]

Hey ,can someone help me find 2 of my Sata ports, I can't seem to find 2 of the ones every spec sheet says is there

[serene pulsar]

@little osprey no bro

Don’t ever spend that much on a laptop

[rigid latch]

It's a ASRock M550b/ab @potent portal

[serene pulsar]

Unless you truly need to get one

What’s the use of it??

[little osprey]

That’s why I said or lower

[serene pulsar]

What are you doing on it?

[warm pasture]

I’m 😂

[pale dust]

gonna have to send a picture

[earnest olive]

1080p144 is a valid choice for 3060ti it will age better if you like playing the newest AAA titles

[warm pasture]

Cool @rigid latch send a pic

[pale dust]

hmm

[rigid latch]

Like I can find the 2 that are out in the open. But there are 2 that the manual says are there and when I go to look there they just arent

[lucid pagoda]

yeah and i can save about $100 or more

[serene pulsar]

@little osprey what do you plan on doing on it? I can help you find a nice one if I know the use

[small tinsel]

@potent portal so I had another ram saved called the G.Skill Trident. How does the Ripjaws compare to it?

[rigid latch]

Where at?

[celest horizon]

ripjaws vs tridentz is just the heatspreader design

[serene pulsar]

@small tinsel don’t get either

[potent portal]

#build-pics

[pale dust]

wow yeah

[warm pasture]

To this comment or person maybe? @rigid latch

[little osprey]

Says it in the name “gaming” computer and probably school work too once I plan on attending college

[pale dust]

yeah

[rigid latch]

I can't it says I don't have permission

[small tinsel]

@celest horizon thanks!

[warm pasture]

Message @pale dust

[potent portal]

Mods must have changed it, just wait til your name turns green or DM it to me and I'll post it

[pale dust]

yeah i can post the image here

[small tinsel]

@serene pulsar you being a troll? lol

[pale dust]

yeah

that works

[earnest olive]

i upgraded from 1080ti because i became dissatisfied with its performance at 1080p and the 1080ti is not that much weaker than 3060ti

[warm pasture]

It’s alot going on in the chat so just post the pic

[serene pulsar]

No of course not

There are just better rams

[small tinsel]

XD

[pale dust]

my brain is too esporty

but most people play that at 1080p too

so go figure

[celest horizon]

Fixed it, can post pics now

[serene pulsar]

@little osprey dm me

[pale dust]

different use cases i

[earnest olive]

i was playing AAA games from 2019 and getting drops below 100 fps on a 1080ti

[serene pulsar]

I get you your laptop

[earnest olive]

at high, not ultra

[pale dust]

i dont play any demanding games

at all

so a higher resolution was worth it to me

also the monitor was only 250 which wasnt too far off

[rigid latch]

When I look there on my own board that's in my case there's like nothing there

[potent portal]

OOOOFFFF unused headers @rigid latch

[small tinsel]

@serene pulsar what are the better rams then? Fal was saying this is a really good one

[celest horizon]

I feel like we should make a #building-and-recc-chat2 channel, bapo, ltt etc servers have multiple

[pale dust]

idk sometimes this chat is dead too

for some reason im here

because i forgor this isnt general

[small tinsel]

LOL

[potent portal]

Yep that's because it's not soldered on

[serene pulsar]

@small tinsel Crucial Ballistix

RGB

If you want or not

[rigid latch]

So your telling me... They say there are 4 slots but no actual hookups there because they didn't solder it...

[serene pulsar]

Ballistix has lowest latency

For cheap

Get 4 sticks or 3

2*

[potent portal]

The board itself supports 4, BUT they only put 2 on there

How's your soldering skills lol

[rigid latch]

Not that good lol

[potent portal]

Kidding, use a M.2 SSD or a PCIe adapter

[rigid latch]

The worst part is the next page labels it as "upper and lower" slots

[small tinsel]

@serene pulsar that doesnt have a 4000 speed

[pale dust]

that is really weird

[potent portal]

4000 isn't necessary unless you know how to manually tune it to 3800

[pale dust]

lmao

[rigid latch]

Well the plan is to use my spare Pcie slot for a high-performance ssd. For the shenanigans I have planned I need as much storage as possible

[potent portal]

It's rare that a zen 3 cpu like the 5900X supports full 4000 speed without hiccups

[celest horizon]

Even 1900 fclk isn't a sure bet without tuning

[rigid latch]

I could get a Sata splitter if it's not that hard on a performance hit

[celest horizon]

So really - buy 3600 cl16 32GB crucial kit for a zen3 chip if you want plug and play xmp

[potent portal]

You have 3 PCIe slots, 2 SATA ports, and one M.2 slot

[small tinsel]

@potent portal this motherboard is suppose to be really good? Im surprised the price is so cheap

[serene pulsar]

What do you need 4000 for

Most of the time you don’t go up to that

[potent portal]

The Aorus Elite? Yeah it's cheap right now because Gigabyte is getting bad press about exploding power supplies lol

[serene pulsar]

I see very few scenarios you would be able to get to that speed and find it useful

[rigid latch]

Well with the 3060 in there it covers a few slots , tbh I didn't even know I had a memory slot under my graphics card

[potent portal]

The idea is to get the good die and tighten the timings

[small tinsel]

@potent portal LOL Im not too worried about budget if there is much better motherboard. (I dont want me power supply to explode 🙃 )

[potent portal]

Under the GPU is really one of the best places for a M.2 drive so it's getting airflow over the drive

[celest horizon]

On ryzen? sure, intel? 4400c16 is pretty meta for tuned high bin b-die on a good imc for daily gaming stable

[potent portal]

No it's only specific models of Gigabyte power supplies that explode, but the bad press extends to all their products because they're handling it badly

[small tinsel]

@potent portal ah. So overall, its a really good motherboard?

[rigid latch]

Untill I looked up the bord Manuel I didn't even know it had am m.2 slot on it and just thought it was storing things on magic

[potent portal]

Yeah, not the highest end one but definitely not bad in any way except the usual brand nitpicking you can do about any board

[celest horizon]

B550 is a good choice yeah

[small tinsel]

@potent portal is there a reason I should go with the elite and not the Elite V2?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08JHDL4WP?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

[potent portal]

Not usually any major difference in revisions

[celest horizon]

Get v2 if you want an internal type c header for your case

[potent portal]

If you want a slightly higher tier board you can do one of these, but they don't offer much to people that aren't overclocking:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vFhmP6/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi

[rigid latch]

Yeah with the big graphics card I don't have access but to one slot unless I moved it down to the bottom

[potent portal]

I see what you mean

[rigid latch]

And I can't move it to the bottom without getting in the way of those cords

[potent portal]

Well most slot adapters will be low profile anyway

[small tinsel]

@potent portal whats the better out of the two you just sent? They are priced roughly the same.

[potent portal]

Prob the Asus

But they're functionally similar

[rigid latch]

Well yeah but I had planned on using my PCIe slot for a PCIe 2TB expansion card because the end goal is to have the computer have as close to 50TB as possible

[small tinsel]

@potent portal and its got wireless and ethernet wifi right?

[potent portal]

Both have both

[small tinsel]

Awesome

[warm pasture]

50tb!!

[celest horizon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lh6rHph31fiuijaZA0cff-9-LpVs9I-0SMm4uYuioCw/edit#gid=666643422

[rigid latch]

Yeah

[warm pasture]

That’s ALOT LMAO

and here me hoping to get from the 1tb I started with to 4

[potent portal]

Get this with a bunch of X300 10-12TB drives https://www.amazon.com/LTERIVER-Controller-Systems-6X-Ports-Support-PCE-G2S6/dp/B08MCKMBT3/ref=sr_1_4

[warm pasture]

I just finished my build yesterday tho so I’m good with 1tb for now

[rigid latch]

Well the plan is to get 2 18tb drives , a PCIe drive for 2tb and 2 ssds for 18 on the back because I have mounting for them

[potent portal]

I have 4.5TB and I'm starting to feel the need for more...

[warm pasture]

Whatcha gonna use all the space for

[celest horizon]

haha if you have a budget for 50TB, hopefully you're getting a better hba than that

Just build a nas at that point lol, or a jbod enclosure next to your pc connected over 2x sf 8087

[warm pasture]

I already know ima need more space lol

[potent portal]

Honestly you're going to need another motherboard lol

[rigid latch]

Well the plan is I'm going to make my computer a super emulator with everything from the PS3 back and also run modern games as they come out. But just from the PS2 back needs about 20tb of space just for games

I was afraid of that...

[potent portal]

I don't know of any adapter that can take a x16 slot and turn it into 2 x4 m.2 slots AND 4 sata ports

[warm pasture]

Ohhhh nice

[potent portal]

You'd have to settle for USB drives otherwise

[rigid latch]

It's the board the prebuilt came with. It has a ryzen5 3600x 6 core ,16gb ram , and a rtx 3070

[small tinsel]

so what does going 32 gb and 64 gb ram change for you? is it rendering speed?

[potent portal]

Or do what Forks said and build a NAS or something and run it direct to the board

[rigid latch]

I could but tbh that sounds complicated lol

[potent portal]

32gb allows more room in memory for things to render, 64gb is probably unnecessary unless you know you need it and adds more strain to the memory controller

[potent portal]

It's really not

[small tinsel]

@potent portal your very helpful. thank you

[rigid latch]

Honestly last PC I built on my own... Well let's say it ran windows 98 and I was 5 , and I astounded my grandparents that it even ran

[warm pasture]

😭

[potent portal]

You could get something like this and slap a bunch of drives into it https://www.newegg.com/qnap-ts-473a-8g-us/p/N82E16822099119

Then you plug the network cable into your wired network port

[small tinsel]

wow. So the Trident and the Ripjaws are the same specs, its just the design different?
The trident is soooo much more expensive

[potent portal]

Connect to internet by wifi, and done

[rigid latch]

The dream is to run the max the board can handle with as much memory as I can cram into it. So I can play every game ... Wether or not I can find them all and get them all is another story

[warm pasture]

You got a nice little project on your hands

[celest horizon]

There are many models of both tridentz, ripjaws, and many more heatspreader designs ranging in price/performance/size

Some kits with different heat spreaders will use the same chips and pcb

Figure out how much ram you need, then decide if spending $100 extra on 32GB is worth it for a possibly noticeable difference for b-die over the cheaper stuff, even if you're not going to overclock

[potent portal]

I think the car equivalent of the different heat spreader designs is like taking the base parts like engine, transmission, etc, and putting them into 2 different body styles and calling them different models

[rigid latch]

Yeah it's a fun project I have planned ,but the plan is to get 128 gigs of ram (for no other reason than I wanna run everything all the time) and as much space as I can cram into it in as cost effective of a space as I can because my Ryzen 5 is as strong as I need... For now

[small tinsel]

LOL

@potent portal putting it in terms I can understand. I appreciate it 😄

[celest horizon]

Anyway, you really can't go wrong with any of these for 2x16 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 50001455 600327642 600336949 601203950&Order=1

And 2x32 crucials are 100% dual rank rev.b

[potent portal]

Hate to break it to you but that R5 might have trouble with PS3 emu

That's one of those rare cases where it really needs the threads or the scheduling gets scuffed

[celest horizon]

I don't think there's any sane reason to put 128GB on some budget ryzen

[rigid latch]

Yeah for now I'm gunna stop at Wii, GameCube , PS2 ,OgXbox and then work forward from there

[warm pasture]

No Dreamcast ?? Lol

[rigid latch]

Well the ram is gunna move forward with me when I need/plan upgrading to a threadripper

[potent portal]

Gotta have that N64 too

[rigid latch]

Well that's the era I'm stopping at. Everything previous is gunna be there as well

[small tinsel]

Whats this stuff mean 🙃

[obsidian wigeon]

ram latency, voltage and timing

[rigid latch]

Trust me I know I'm gunna want my N64, it's the first console I bought

[obsidian wigeon]

it wouldn't matter for you much tbh, just as long as the ram is at least 3600mhz and c16

C as in CAS latnecy

[little osprey]

Anyone wanna just put the list of their computer parts they built their computer with so I can take a look at it?

[obsidian wigeon]

Or CL

[small tinsel]

@obsidian wigeon so its higher than 16 better or lower?

[obsidian wigeon]

@small tinsel Higher means worse, lower better

[potent portal]

I'm always happy to flex a bit
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFHzJf

[obsidian wigeon]

Ryzen is sensitive to ram latency

So going low is good

They can't handle that high ram frequency even tho they benefit from it

Cause of the infinity fabric clock being the limit

But 3600mhz is fine for em

[small tinsel]

so waiiit. I shouldnt get a 4000? 😮

[little osprey]

Dang, wish I could get that stuff 😐

[potent portal]

4000 is still good because it means it'll have a good die, so you can get better timings when you set it to 3800 like zen3 tends to prefer

[celest horizon]

Not every chip can do 1900fclk

I think 3600 xmp is the way to go here...

[potent portal]

True but many can, it depends mostly on the level of work they want to put into it. XMP is great for just out of the box set and forget. Going the 4000 route is a bit more work.

[obsidian wigeon]

4000 is erm

on the expensive side too

3600 is good for your wallet

[small tinsel]

Ah. So is setting up the extra stuff your talking about so it does run better, is that difficult? Or should I just go 3600 if I want to forget about it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

Just go 3600 for the easy route

4000 for when you want to squeeze the most outta it by cranking it down to 3600 and manually tuning it

The second option is the one that's involving

[celest horizon]

4000mhz xmp kits are often not b-die or rev.e, have to look at timings

[obsidian wigeon]

oh, well true

[potent portal]

The kit I had recommended was 32gb for $160, 4000 c18

[obsidian wigeon]

oh damn

[small tinsel]

yeah why is the 4000 cheaper than the 3600?

[obsidian wigeon]

demand, perhaps

[potent portal]

3600 is higher demand because of people like Forks recommending it all the time lol

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[small tinsel]

xD

[obsidian wigeon]

like how 11400f and 11400 drove up in price

they used to be like 180-200

but now? 280

[celest horizon]

I mean, for those who want to plug and play xmp on zen2/3, it's the best option

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[potent portal]

I won't disagree there, like I said good for set and forget with good performance

[obsidian wigeon]

4000 would need tuning

Most zen 3 chips couldn't do it

[potent portal]

But that ease of use comes with a price tag now

[small tinsel]

if you set up the 4000 correctly once, does it need tinkering a lot? Or is it a 1 and done?

[celest horizon]

The micron mem I linked above is very reasonably priced and will have the best ICs in that price range by far

[potent portal]

Once you tune it, it's done. Good odds you can get it to run 3800 c14, or at least 3600 c14 if you're unlucky

[celest horizon]

Eh, not that gskill kit no lol, definitely not cl14 unless its rev.e/b

I'm guessing it's junk cjr and c14 ain't happening

[shrewd trout]

Ryzen what about Intel? I'm running 3600 on my ram with a 9700k cpu

[potent portal]

Like I said, if unlucky 😛

[celest horizon]

Maybe mjr, idk

The micron on the other hand could definitely do 3800c14 if you tune

While it's base xmp 3600c16 is just fine

[potent portal]

Intel is happy to run as high as you can get it, you start to get diminishing returns in performance after around 3200 though

[obsidian wigeon]

^

tho the G series 5000 chips could run 4000mhz ram with no issue

they can run 2000 fclk iirc

[celest horizon]

9700k - I'd aim for 4133 cl16 or something on b-die, depends on sticks/board/imc

[small tinsel]

so if it were yall, you would go 4000 and tune it down?

[potent portal]

You still have to be a little lucky for that, and tune voltages carefully

[shrewd trout]

Hmm I'll keep that for future knowledge

[obsidian wigeon]

i would do it

[celest horizon]

no, buy one of these

[obsidian wigeon]

ye tru but it seems like the 5000 G has better luck

monolithic

[celest horizon]

4000/5000g's are monolithic, can run higher fclk

still silly to buy one just for that over normal zen3

[potent portal]

How much work do you want to put into it? The one Forks is recommending is good to just toggle a setting and call it good

[small tinsel]

So whats forcing me to tune the 4000 down? Is it the motherboard choice?

[potent portal]

Proper overclocking can take a whole day

[shrewd trout]

64gb of trident z royal 3600mhz of ram on a asus hero XI wifi board

[obsidian wigeon]

Nope, the cpu

[celest horizon]

They're cheap, great out of the box, and great for tuning - I don't see a downside other than the lack of RGB at $170

[potent portal]

It's the memory controller specifically, located on the CPU

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[celest horizon]

Yeah I'd just be happy with that given 64GB

[potent portal]

Along with the infinity fabric

[strange wing]

is 4000mhz overkill

[obsidian wigeon]

Depends on what cpu

Intel? Not overkill

[strange wing]

hjmm

[shrewd trout]

Fair point

[obsidian wigeon]

AMD? Kinda yes

Cause you have to be lucky or have 4000G/5000G Ryzen

[strange wing]

i see

[celest horizon]

no, this is overkill https://i.imgur.com/7KT1NZK.png

[obsidian wigeon]

kek

[strange wing]

lmao

[frank stirrup]

Is that. MHZ?!

JEEEEEZ

[obsidian wigeon]

2399x2 is like 4798

[potent portal]

I bought a kit of 4133 for my 5800X and it was a lot of work to find the limits. It's easier for most people to just get 3600 than to spend a whole day tuning and testing.

[obsidian wigeon]

p high

[shrewd trout]

how did that thing not catch on fire holy lol

[potent portal]

LN2 prob

[celest horizon]

I can do that on air cooling on binned 2x8 b-die

[obsidian wigeon]

air

[frank stirrup]

Thats. Not how it works.

[obsidian wigeon]

dayum

[potent portal]

6.2k on air? Must be one hell of a bin

[frank stirrup]

@celest horizon gimme ram

[celest horizon]

oh no that cache is ln2 only lol

I meant the 4800c14

[small tinsel]

so If I got a 4000. Is there someone here that can help me with the tuning process? 😮
Or shall I suffer and die? 😄

[obsidian wigeon]

uncore is cache

iirc

[celest horizon]

... don't buy the 4000

[little osprey]

Is that good and also what is it? 😐

[celest horizon]

The crucial kits are better in every scenario

[shrewd trout]

my first build so not not exactly knowledgeable but I know what I put in it thats about it, Would the correct term be crash?

[frank stirrup]

Anything related to ram OC is instant suffer and die

[potent portal]

MT/s is a more correct term, that's what he meant

[small tinsel]

@potent portal okay fork has been saying this for an hour now. Are they right or wrong? XD Im not sure how to judge for myself LOL

[frank stirrup]

Yes

[celest horizon]

Here's all my binning data on the 3800c14 tridentz neo kits https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OKKxb3_6FaulMijqED8j7IVdmunyHJK9vtcLXg47FpY/edit#gid=1657557354

[frank stirrup]

Nah i meant mhz

[potent portal]

Just get the 3600, and if you want you can still try to tune it and get 3800. Boom, best of both.

[frank stirrup]

Gimme the worst one

[celest horizon]

All 8 of even my low bin xmp 3000c15 dr rev.e sticks could do 3800c14

[frank stirrup]

ram oc be like

[celest horizon]

Modern crucial is probably sr rev.b, will likely do the same or better

[frank stirrup]

GIMME

[potent portal]

Which is still an inaccurate descriptor for memory, but yes that's a little high

[shrewd trout]

ok yeah that makes alot more sense, hopefully mine won't catch fire but I'm running a kraken x72

[frank stirrup]

Not really. 1mhz = 2 mts

[shrewd trout]

I've thought about switching to the asus rog strix 360mm though because I'v heard how the software on the nzxt ones have serious issues but idk

[frank stirrup]

arctic freezer ii, lian li galahad and ek aio only aios I would ever buy

[celest horizon]

freezer ii's are so nice in that they bundle all the fan wires into the tubing sleeves

Corsair should take note...

[potent portal]

Freezer II is very nice indeed, so much that the 240mm outperforms most 360mm

[frank stirrup]

lmao

galahad is amazing too

[celest horizon]

And the freezer ii's offset coldplate is best in class for zen2/3 I think

[frank stirrup]

oh?

galahad is also worse?

[potent portal]

Galahad is the best white option

[celest horizon]

no idea tbh

[potent portal]

Freezer II is best overall

EK is good for RGB

[shrewd trout]

(ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB - Multi-Compatible All-in-one CPU AIO Water Cooler with A-RGB, Compatible with Intel & AMD, efficient PWM-Controlled Pump, Fan Speed: 200-1800 RPM - Black) that one?

[potent portal]

Yup

[celest horizon]

There's a freezer ii rgb now, but I don't think it looks as nice

[frank stirrup]

freezer argb aio is a thing

[potent portal]

The main reason I mention all three together, besides performance difference being almost negligible for most users, is they can then pick which one they like the look of

[shrewd trout]

they have a 420mm LOL excessive much lol

[frank stirrup]

same

[frank stirrup]

nah

useful for some

[potent portal]

They have 560mm too

[shrewd trout]

at some point you have to give in and run full liquid cooling at that point plus it looks way cooler no pun intended

[potent portal]

Oh yeah that's my next project. First a new case, then full custom loop.

[shrewd trout]

Ooooo cool you'll have to post pics when your done.

[potent portal]

Meshify C has been good to me, but I've outgrown it (and my current GPU won't let me close the side panel)

[shrewd trout]

you named your computer?

[celest horizon]

Lot of 3 fan cards can't fit in it with a front-mounted aio, and there isn't enough room to top mount an aio.

[potent portal]

No lol that's the case I used

I'm considering something big like 5000D or maybe the new Torrent

[shrewd trout]

I figured you'd say that but people name their cars so you never know, I'm running all mine in a ASUS TUF case

[small tinsel]

lol. Moto are you telling me you didnt name your rig? XD

[potent portal]

I don't name things I'm prepared to lose at any time. That goes for both my PC and my car.

I'm not a materialistic guy

[shrewd trout]

No but this chat has me laughing at myself

fair enough and same

[small tinsel]

I like naming my stuff. XD
My car is Kiwi and my computer is Rambo

[potent portal]

As I realize how much of a hypocrite I sound like now

[frank stirrup]

My pc is named falcie after falcie

because my pc is always as hot as falcie

[shrewd trout]

LOL its all good man I don't try to judge since I wouldn't want to be.

[celest horizon]

My pc's network name is "potato" because it's the slowest piece of modern hardware I own

[potent portal]

But really with all the mods I've done on this PC I'm constantly expecting it to die in a fiery inferno, which is why it's insured

[frank stirrup]

what speed?

[small tinsel]

So before I purchase da new stuffs, this looks good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zNRWgt

[celest horizon]

3700x and 2x8 rev.e @ stock/xmp

[shrewd trout]

you can insure your rig whaaaat.....

[potent portal]

Yeah, on your homeowners/renters insurance

[shrewd trout]

god am I learning stuff I never thought I would lol

[celest horizon]

The ram is worse than the crucial, but you probably won't notice a difference and has rgb instead

[potent portal]

860 pro is a really bad deal

Unless you already have those

[little osprey]

Guess I'll insure my new computer with my engagement ring i keep forgetting to get insured as well

[small tinsel]

I already have those, was just putting in my specs to make sure no red flags came up XD

[celest horizon]

Insane price on the h115i, get an arctic 280 instead

[potent portal]

Good, don't buy at that price lol

Already has the H115I

[small tinsel]

^

[potent portal]

From the old CPU

[obsidian wigeon]

having aio defo helped the upgrade bringing costs down

[pale dust]

wait the block isnt even

rgb

only the fans are

:c

[potent portal]

Which is why EK is still the superior RGB option

[pale dust]

ill get a galahad

instead

[obsidian wigeon]

fractal has a new aio too

[frank stirrup]

I like galahads rgb more than ek tbf

[pale dust]

if i could

[obsidian wigeon]

i love how the rgb on the block looks

[pale dust]

ek looks great too

[potent portal]

Have you seen any reliable reviews on it yet?

[pale dust]

i really dont like the freezer ii look

it may perform well

[small tinsel]

Fork you keep talking about the crucial. @potent portal whats your opinion on the crucial. I have heard of the G.Skill before but not what they are mentioning

[obsidian wigeon]

not really

[pale dust]

but id take like

[obsidian wigeon]

but it looks promising

[pale dust]

2 to 3 c hit

for

better look

and i bet its not even that much

[frank stirrup]

ram manufacturer

[pale dust]

crucial ballistix is really good ram

for the price

[potent portal]

Crucial is only different in that you're more likely to get the good rev.e die. G.skill is traditionally more compatible but not really an issue this late in the DDR4 game.

[pale dust]

and rev e is pretty nice for OC as well

[obsidian wigeon]

ddr4 be at the peak of its lifecycle

[celest horizon]

rev.e or rev.b are some of the lightest ICs on the memory controller -I'd think they'd have the highest compatibility

[potent portal]

rev.e or rev.e huh?

[small tinsel]

@potent portal you been helping me out this whole time, so ill take your word. Gskill or Crucial?

[potent portal]

Personally, crucial, unless you really like the look of the g.skill because that's the only practical difference here

[elder bison]

3.6ghz is pretty insane for balistix, it will stay there for weeks straight without a reboot. Crucial is by far the most affordable solution

[celest horizon]

One note - gskill ram is amazing in general, but for your use case and budget, that gskill kit is not great

[small tinsel]

So this is the one to get?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/33WBD3/

[potent portal]

For RGB, yes

[celest horizon]

From the newegg link I posted, pick the kit with the looks you prefer then search the model number on pcpp

[pale dust]

trident z looks very cool

i regret not

getting trident z

for like 15 dollars more

still b die but

sadge

[potent portal]

I'll take my $105 kit of XPG b-die any day of the week, no regrets there either

[small tinsel]

yeah trident looks sick. But if ballistix is better, thats whats important

[potent portal]

It's even RGB lol

[little osprey]

Newegg shipped all my parts i ordered on the same day except my tower, which hasn't been shipped yet 🙄

[potent portal]

You can get the build started without the case

[little osprey]

Yeah but I want it all

[potent portal]

You can even turn it on, just have the board sitting on its box

[elder bison]

Yeah for sure, I put that same ballistixs in my mums work pc and it rips, like they never reboot the thing and it stays strong, the rgb sync software is not the best. But it gets the job done.

[little osprey]

I can use my old one, would just have to take it apart. Then I'd be building twice when the new one comes in

Ballstix

He he he

Gets me every time

[elder bison]

Performance is greater than looks in my book, especially when you take price into the build

[little osprey]

What's the point of good performance if you look like a fool with an ugly computer?

[potent portal]

Agreed. The only RGB in my build is from sheer coincidence with the price being good. (or it being the only thing I could get, like the GPU)

[celest horizon]

I honestly really like the trident z/neo look

[small tinsel]

okee so final look.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zNRWgt
The new mother board, cpu, and ram all look lik good ol stuff? 😄

[obsidian wigeon]

mobo is on the expensive side for me

but decent

[potent portal]

Yep that'll fly through anything you toss at it

[potent portal]

I originally suggested Aorus Elite but they wanted higher end

[little osprey]

I'm only seeing mine when I use your link. What am I doing wrong?

[obsidian wigeon]

fair

[small tinsel]

I mean is Aorus Elite is a great board I can go that instead. Why spend money I dont need to XD

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

[little osprey]

Oh nm it's working

[obsidian wigeon]

go with that

[small tinsel]

Not sure what a higher end/lower end mother board even does..?

[obsidian wigeon]

vrms, headers, connectors and stuff

but the aorus elite is good even for 5900x

[potent portal]

Yes that's why I suggested it, only difference matters to overclockers and other specific cases

[elder bison]

I would swap out motherboard for one with more updated chipset

[obsidian wigeon]

?

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[obsidian wigeon]

pcpp just likes to warn that

but almost all mobos already has the bios update

so it's not a concern

[shrewd trout]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DVsGp2 this is my rig I didnt pay that much at the time though lol everythings gone up

[elder bison]

Good recommendation guys im unaware of amd and motherboards supported chippers

Chipset*

[potent portal]

B550 is the newest chipset @elder bison , even newer than X570.

[elder bison]

Oh really?

Weird naming convention

[obsidian wigeon]

X570 isn't newer

It's just higher end

[potent portal]

Yep, they did their "high end" stuff first

[obsidian wigeon]

It's in same gen

[potent portal]

Even though most people don't need the extra features

[elder bison]

Where does 590 chipset fall into place?

[obsidian wigeon]

that's intel

z590

[elder bison]

Ohhh

[potent portal]

And with B550 being newer they have updated VRM designs

[elder bison]

Gotcha

[small tinsel]

Should I just get the elite then? 😮

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[small tinsel]

I dont have a current plan to overclock so..

[obsidian wigeon]

it saves money

[potent portal]

Yeah you can save a few $$, it'll even do light overclocking with PBO on the elite

[celest horizon]

b550 vs x570 isn't about overclocking, it's feature set

[potent portal]

Yeah, and most people don't need their second M.2 slot to be gen 4, or need the extra USB ports, or the extra PCIe lanes...

[elder bison]

Its ideal to have the overhead with motherboard features 👌 especially considering this pc will be top of the range for easy 10 years

[obsidian wigeon]

the features aren't that beneficial

[potent portal]

It depends on your use case. B550 was made with future proofing in mind. (I give it 5 years though)

[obsidian wigeon]

10 years by then the cpu would be woefully outdated

before the gpus even need pcie 4 to not be bottlenecked by then

[potent portal]

10 years is the difference between Intel 11th gen and 2nd gen

No one I know is still using 2nd gen for high end gaming

[elder bison]

Lol that's what you think, I'm rocking a dual core q6600 and still play gta 5
16 year old cpu!

[potent portal]

Yeah... and that game is from the same era

[shrewd trout]

Lol

its still fun though

[elder bison]

That has had expansions nailed on with no discourse for performance

Let's be real

[frank stirrup]

falcie said no one he knows... he does not know u so falcie right

[potent portal]

I said it that way for a reason lol

[frank stirrup]

exactly

[elder bison]

Ahh I'm arguing with someone thats always right xD

[potent portal]

Besides, I also said high end gaming. GTA doesn't count for that unless you're playing in 8k.

[elder bison]

Eyes of the beholder speaks larger volumes

[warm pasture]

Yes I’m always right ☺️

Hehehe

[shrewd trout]

wait did I miss something who's arguing?

[warm pasture]

Idk

[shrewd trout]

lol

[elder bison]

Hahahha

[potent portal]

Not really an "argument" per se

[elder bison]

Just a banter

[warm pasture]

I switched over that’s the first thing I saw lol

[shrewd trout]

lol

I was just trying to show Fal'Cie my build but nooo lol

[warm pasture]

I wanna see

[potent portal]

Speaking of old games, I'm off to play Skyrim to enjoy my mods before the anniversary update makes us have to redo everything again

[shrewd trout]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DVsGp2

[warm pasture]

I posted mine I just built yesterday. Still gotta customize my lights

[shrewd trout]

I love that game they better make a new one

[elder bison]

Enjoy friend ♡

[warm pasture]

They are

[potent portal]

ES6 is coming, slowly, but it's coming

[warm pasture]

Kinda

[potent portal]

The studio lost TONS of money over Fallout 76

They're hoping to not have as many bugs on launch as previously done also...

[warm pasture]

Ouuuu that’s a nice build

[shrewd trout]

I wonder why 🙄

[warm pasture]

You getting that fancy ram sticks

[shrewd trout]

thanks

[warm pasture]

They are pretty asf not gonna lie

[potent portal]

💣

[shrewd trout]

thats my current build

[warm pasture]

It’s nice!!

That ssd is rgb??

I might have to uhhhhh

Change mine

😂

[shrewd trout]

yes its why I bought it

[warm pasture]

Ughhh

When I saw those royal z ram sticks

I was like

I NEED THEM

[small tinsel]

ugh. Looking at how much this pc has costed me/is costing me to upgrade makes me want to sob XD

[warm pasture]

but I just built it I need to slow df down

[shrewd trout]

I know the feeling but I'm happy even if I could have bought a car

[warm pasture]

I’m happy too tbh

[small tinsel]

yep pretty much

[warm pasture]

I got what I wanted and the price was good too considering the market

Now next time ima go ALLLLL OUT

[small tinsel]

Im shocked the PCPartPicker website doesnt have wacom products on it

[warm pasture]

I kept to my budget I think I did a good job

How can I do the pc picker thing to show what I have

[shrewd trout]

I'm lucky I bought mine when I did, I bought it right when the MSI x trio dropped I payed I think 1,300 for it at the time

[warm pasture]

Lucky

I picked a mighty fine time to get into pc builds

And with the most sarcasm I say that lol

[shrewd trout]

its never a bad time this was my first build too 😅

[warm pasture]

Ouuuu okay

[small tinsel]

Better at a bad time, then never.. right? 😬

[warm pasture]

So the pc picker how did you add to what was in your build

[shrewd trout]

yes

just click system builder and it should populate

should

[idle radish]

Hi

[shrewd trout]

yo

[small tinsel]

Hello

[warm pasture]

Okay

[small tinsel]

@shrewd trout your motorbike is sick btw

[warm pasture]

Also that gpu is selling for over $3k

I’m sick

[shrewd trout]

thats not mine I haven't replaced the pic yet 😅

but I have a sport bike

[warm pasture]

WHEEEW I WAS GONNA SAY

[small tinsel]

my life is a lie

[shrewd trout]

I have a 2019 ZX6R KRT edition I guess I can add that pic but I have to pull the pic one minute

[small tinsel]

Now my PC will live up to the battlestation it looks like it should be. 😅
#WhenYourPCOverCompensatesForItself

[shrewd trout]

there we go lol

[small tinsel]

Well that bike looks cool!

Matches the color or our names lol

And my car. Good color

[shrewd trout]

lol not as cool but probably faster than the other one IDK

I like it

[small tinsel]

I like it! Looks good 👍

[shrewd trout]

anyone here know who corpse is I'm still waiting his next live streams 😅

[small tinsel]

No clue

[shrewd trout]

ok check out some of his and sykkuno game play on among us on youtube its definatly entertaining

[warm pasture]

I know who he is. His music is cool but I’m not into watching the big streamers

I like watching smaller streamers

[shrewd trout]

I'm currently working on my setup to start streaming myself but I won't ask anyone to watch I know the rules lol

[subtle wasp]

Can any one suggest me a 1,091.19  pc with moniter

[warm pasture]

I stream! I’m affiliated on twitch

So I can help you

[warm pasture]

There’s a self promo channel I think

Ouuu I can’t help you with that!! I have no clue but maybe look on pcpicker.com

[shrewd trout]

https://www.newegg.com/hp-z240/p/3D5-0005-00E74?Item=9SIAZ8YFFV4179

not the best but 1k doesn't get you much right now

[warm pasture]

That’s a good budget build

[warm pasture]

Facts

You’d be better off getting a ps5 😂

Even those are overly priced

[shrewd trout]

my graphics card alone was 1,300 now its going for between 2,300-3,600 which is just insane.

1,500 if you buy direct from manufacture

but good luck with that

[fossil cedar]

Thats a rip off jeeez 6th gen i7 and 1050 ti

[warm pasture]

Mine was $650

I got a 3060ti

[shrewd trout]

they asked for help so if you can help them find the best deal go for it I just happened to be the only one to look sorry for trying lol

[brave hound]

Hey I am building a pc with i5 10400f + GTX 1650 SUPER + 480 GB SSD + 16 gb RAM

And it was around $1080

[warm pasture]

Everything is a ripoff rn tbh

[brave hound]

So am I getting scammed or is this price fine

[warm pasture]

I honestly couldn’t tell you tbh

Everything is overpriced rn

[stone pendant]

thats the price not including the psu, case, case fans

[brave hound]

Including all bruv

[stone pendant]

soo I just feel that $1080 is still much

well the market is kinda weird

[brave hound]

Oh

[shrewd trout]

yeah cause this one is barely more but has a 2080 ti but is out of stock https://www.newegg.com/skytech-st-azure-0057-r/p/N82E16883289199

well 600 isn't barely more you get the idea

just glad I built mine when I did.

[fossil cedar]

No thats fine lol, i wasn't taking trash about you was saying how badly priced that old machine was lol

[fossil cedar]

Not that bad

[fossil cedar]

If you haven't bought it yet I'd get this instead https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-tower-5i-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i5-11400-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-super-256gb-ssd-1tb-hdd-raven-black/6453877.p?skuId=6453877

[fossil cedar]

It's quite high but

[shrewd trout]

no worries this is my current build but I paid between 3.5-4k then and its insanely priced now https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxG8p2

[fossil cedar]

It's priced like that because you can get 3070 prebuilts for 1500, and a 3070 is basically a 2080 ti with 3gb less vram

[fossil cedar]

Well yeah, old tech gets priced weirdly by 3rd party sellers

[shrewd trout]

I agree I paid 1,300 for that 2080 ti at like the beginning of 2020.

I think the actual price on amazon is still like 1,500

breath again lol accidentally breaths into mic 😆

[warm pasture]

Wait why so much

[shrewd trout]

for what?

[warm pasture]

For the 2080ti

[shrewd trout]

the original price or?

[warm pasture]

The original price you paid

Is that the normal price?

[shrewd trout]

because it was new and a 2080 ti

yes

[warm pasture]

I found a 3080ti for almost 900$

[fossil cedar]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-tower-5i-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i5-11400-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-super-256gb-ssd-1tb-hdd-raven-black/6453877.p?skuId=6453877 with https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NKsnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-vg24vq-236-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-90lm0570-b011b0 it's like 20$ more but worth every penny, if you cant spend the extra 20$ https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z3LwrH/acer-kg241q-sbiip-236-1920x1080-165-hz-monitor-umux1aas02 this monitor only makes it an extra 10$

[shrewd trout]

I'd buy that depending on the brand

[warm pasture]

It was a zotac

[shrewd trout]

nvrm LOL

[warm pasture]

What’s wrong with zotac?

I’ve seen really good reviews for that brand

[fossil cedar]

Scam

[shrewd trout]

if that was a msi or gigabyte yes but I've never heard people wanting a Zotac over those ones

[warm pasture]

I didn’t buy it lol

[fossil cedar]

DON'T BUY IT, IT'S 300$ UNDER MSRP BIG RED FLAG

[shrewd trout]

right LOL

told you

[warm pasture]

I didn’t buy it lol

Is it a scam because it’s zotac or because the price was too low

[fossil cedar]

Price

[warm pasture]

Ah okay

[shrewd trout]

yeah but if you buy one eventually I'd suggest MSI or Gigabyte their usually top tier

[fossil cedar]

Zotac is a real and in board partner

[stone pendant]

whats a good motherboard to pair with a Ryzen 5 5600X??

[fossil cedar]

Gigabyte mehh

[warm pasture]

Because I bought a zotac 3060ti brand new from the computer store

For $650

[fossil cedar]

Msi pricing wackk unfortunately

[fossil cedar]

Nice

[shrewd trout]

hey mines a MSI Sooooo lol

[shrewd trout]

agreed

[fossil cedar]

What region and what's the rest of the build?

[frank stirrup]

YOU TAKET HAT BACK

TAKE IT BACLK

[stone pendant]

3060

[frank stirrup]

GRRR

[shrewd trout]

Bwahahaha Pato did it now LOL

[fossil cedar]

I have a gigabyte card boi

[frank stirrup]

Same

[fossil cedar]

What country?

[shrewd trout]

the only reason why I didn't buy a Gigabyte was the price was like 200 more than the MSI

[fossil cedar]

Ik lmoao

[warm pasture]

I wanted a evga but those are too expensive lol

[frank stirrup]

My gigabyte card holds the 15th position on 3dmark timesypy leaderbopards

[stone pendant]

like when Im on pcpartpicker it says the msi X570 gaming edge wifi has a compatibility issue with the ryzen 5 5600X

[frank stirrup]

nerd'

[shrewd trout]

evga is nice

but yes spendy

[warm pasture]

Yeah I have a evga power supply lol

That’s about all

[fossil cedar]

You can ignore that issue but don't get that board anyway, do you need wifi and what country are you in, the us??

[shrewd trout]

which card though

[stone pendant]

nah asia

[fossil cedar]

[fossil cedar]

What country?

[stone pendant]

is the board not good?

[frank stirrup]

RX570

[stone pendant]

yeah I rather not dox myself

[fossil cedar]

Evgas one of the cheapest these days

[fossil cedar]

Bro there's a load of countries in asia, and i can't recommend a board without knowing the pricing of others

[frank stirrup]

Unless ur the only person in ur country ur not doxxing urself

[fossil cedar]

There's just better for cheaper, x570 boards are meh

[warm pasture]

They not asking for your address lol

[frank stirrup]

Im asian too so I can help if you tell me country

[warm pasture]

I live in the USA recommended me something

[shrewd trout]

that's not an Intel one (chuckles sarcastically) JK but foreal I like my Intel CPU's Soooo

[warm pasture]

🙂

[frank stirrup]

Thats... a GPU...

[shrewd trout]

I know but isn't it ran on Ryzen?

not Intel...

[fossil cedar]

What? Doesn't matter

[shrewd trout]

Please don't hate me but it does

[frank stirrup]

It doesnt

[fossil cedar]

No it doesn't lmao

[shrewd trout]

I like Intel ones better granted thats because I don't want to deal with the as far as I know extra cooling required for those I don't mind being wrong.

[fossil cedar]

What

[frank stirrup]

?????

[fossil cedar]

Do you know how much power an i9 10850k/10900k pulllsss?

[shrewd trout]

thats what I was under the assumption of because what I was told by my cousin in law when I was building mine maybe he's just a Intel fanboy.

not a clue

[frank stirrup]

He isnt an intel fanboy, he doesnt even know what a gpu is

[fossil cedar]

Yeah what they told you makes no sense lol

[frank stirrup]

That is a gpu

Notice how its different from the cpu?

[shrewd trout]

now that your saying what your saying it sounds like your right, I know what it is dude

it makes me wonder what he meant then

[warm pasture]

Is this allowed

Cuz lol

[shrewd trout]

Rotfl

[clear sparrow]

should i be worried about this?

[shrewd trout]

this is my build yes I know I need to clean up the cables

[warm pasture]

My boomer eyes can’t read that

This is when I first powered mine on

[shrewd trout]

this is also my first build so not sure on if its exactly setup correctly but it works great so I guess lol

[warm pasture]

It’s my first build also

[warm pasture]

That’s way too to small to read

[shrewd trout]

click it

[warm pasture]

I did

[clear sparrow]

you can click on it to make it bigger right?

[warm pasture]

Still too small

I’m too old 😂

I’m also on mobile so

[clear sparrow]

it says this : " Warning! Some Intel Z490 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Rocket Lake-S CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions."

[warm pasture]

Oh

Mine said that too when I put my stuff in pc picker

Or something similar

[clear sparrow]

so it's no big deal?

[warm pasture]

Nope

Hold on let me set it up again I forgot to save

And show you

[fossil cedar]

Lmao who pays that much for Windows

[fossil cedar]

Yes, can you send in your list

[warm pasture]

Idk I think he was just putting random prices 😂

[ancient path]

It says that you need to update the bios so you can use the cpu. Probably because the mobo existed before the cpu

So no big deal

[fossil cedar]

No it is

Like 0 z490 boards have bios flashback

They need to get a z590

[clear sparrow]

It's still a work in progress I was just checking to see if I need to change cpu or motherboard

[ancient path]

You sure? Because you can also use a b450 with a ryzen gen5

[shrewd trout]

ahem this guy I wanted it quickly ugh I feel like I probably over paid now Lol 😅

[warm pasture]

Lemme put mine on there so I can show you what mine said

[fossil cedar]

Okay, feel free to ping me when you're ready

[fossil cedar]

Z490 is intel....

[fossil cedar]

You need to change to a z590 board, or change the cpu to 10th gen

[ancient path]

Yes ik it was just a example

[fossil cedar]

But you need to update the bios first, if you don't have a previous gen chip, and the board doesn't have bios flashback, only way to get the board to work with that cpu is buy/borrow a previews gen cpu

[stone pendant]

Idk if this is a balanced build, of course im probs gonna find a better price for the gpu

whats yall thoughts

[frank stirrup]

its good. but it can be better

[stone pendant]

so what should be changed?

[fossil cedar]

Well the fact you can get windows for free legally, you just have a water mark or you can pay like 20$ and get a key like here https://www.urcdkey.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-oem-cd-key-global_1966-20.html

[frank stirrup]

Corsair fans and aio rEEEEEEEEEEE

[shrewd trout]

I honestly thought I saw a 3070 for cheaper maybe I was wrong let me look

[stone pendant]

rgb wires go brrrrrr

[fossil cedar]

No but yes but no, but there's no point using us prices if you're somewhere in asia, all our advice is price based

[frank stirrup]

???

[frank stirrup]

which country do you live in?

[warm pasture]

🥺🥺

[frank stirrup]

again no way to doxx you unless we have ur ip address or ur exact street address

so just tell us the country or dont ask for our help

[fossil cedar]

Like heck, I'm from Ireland

Oh no

[warm pasture]

I’m from California

[fossil cedar]

Now you know I'm one of 5 million people in Ireland :o

[frank stirrup]

weak

Im from India

[warm pasture]

I live in the biggest state in the US

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-bwahaha-bobs-burgers-gif-5632048

[frank stirrup]

I live in the second most populated country in the world

[fossil cedar]

That your weather report xD?

[frank stirrup]

pretty much

[fossil cedar]

Ripirino

[warm pasture]

Okay lemme finish this**

[frank stirrup]

tbf nghts are pretty cool rn

[fossil cedar]

Thats nice

[frank stirrup]

yeh

I still am no shirt gang during the days

[fossil cedar]

Yeet

[warm pasture]

I can add the rest of the stuff to the list but this is the build

The case there’s one USB port you can’t use so that’s what that other warning is about

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/twinliciouz/saved/#view=vprKXL

[shrewd trout]

explains the wifi name lol

[warm pasture]

Okay it’s fixed now you can see it

[shrewd trout]

I live in Washington myself but not from here originally

[clear sparrow]

@fossil cedar you wanted to see my build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rNcX4d it's subject to change but for now I'm happy with it, may need some changes to the cpu or motherboard, I still don't quite that warning from a few minutes ago. My friend recently upgraded his pc so he's going to give me his old monitor to use as secondary monitor and I can use his old gpu till I can afford a new one and they're available, when he sends in the exact gpu I'll put it in to check for compatibility.

I assume it's not that great so that's why i share it, to get help improving it

[young jetty]

Idk if this is the right place to ask but what’s the cheapest gpu that’s decent enough to play games on 1080p low-medium settings. For under around $350 aud?

[shrewd trout]

wheres the GPU?

[fossil cedar]

The WiFi name?

[stone pendant]

SG

[frank stirrup]

whats sg

[clear sparrow]

I'll be using my friends old one till i can afford a new one, when he sends in the exact gpu he has i'll be checking for compatibility

[fossil cedar]

Okay, what's the use for the pc and Bush?

[stone pendant]

the short form for singapore

[fossil cedar]

Some used 1660 super if you're lucky, or a 3060 if you're incredibly lucky

[shrewd trout]

Maybe I'm mistaking a comment from earlier today IDK their wifi name was Potato and Ireland you know alcohol

[fossil cedar]

Still confused

[clear sparrow]

I'm going to be gaming on it mostly but also do work for school on it, main game is path of exile right now which is more cpu bound but I'll be playing a variety of games on it because it'll be my first capable machine hopefully and i can try most the games i couldn't before

[shrewd trout]

nvrm then lol it was probably someone else then disregard

[young jetty]

Good luck getting one of those for under 350 aud

[fossil cedar]

Ohh aud didn't see that

Mb an rx 580 or 570

[stone pendant]

yeah thats gonna be real difficult to get something decent

[clever eagle]

i see typing
hello there

[fossil cedar]

Okay and your friends giving you what gpu do you know?

[young jetty]

Is the gtx 960 4gb alright. Because they are really cheap atm

[warm pasture]

Hola

[clever eagle]

kinda
depends
im scrolling up rn

[clear sparrow]

Not yet but when he sends me the exact gpu he has i'll be checking it for compatibility

[fossil cedar]

As long as it's less than 15 years old it will be compatible

[clear sparrow]

I won't be ordering untill I have checked that

[shrewd trout]

dang now I wish I had my old rig that my cousin in law gave me cause I would have just gave you the 760 I had in it

[clever eagle]

wait ur build has dual 970 evo plus

[shrewd trout]

but thats proibably too old anyways

[stone pendant]

me??(nvm forget I said that)

[clever eagle]

@clear sparrow