building-and-recc-chat

[wicked frigate]

Can I ask one more thing

On the dark hero so I have to flash the bios

Or is it already flashes

Flashes

For the 5000 series

[stoic island]

No

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[stoic island]

That's one of the selling point of dark hero

[little osprey]

dark hero

hm

[wicked frigate]

And I flash them after installing the part right

[little osprey]

espolan send ur pcpp real quick

[wicked frigate]

Umm I do t have it on this device

It’s on another

[stoic island]

No need to flash it if it's already ready

[wicked frigate]

Ohhh so it’s already ready for me

Ok

[little osprey]

dark hero moment

[stoic island]

Meh

[wicked frigate]

Lol

[little osprey]

put 5900x on b450 ds3h

[wicked frigate]

No

[stoic island]

Nah man

[little osprey]

pg4

[stoic island]

@little osprey a320 or nothing

[little osprey]

monkaS

hey if its am4 itll work right

[stoic island]

Ofc

Tbh

A520 should actually work

[little osprey]

are there even zen 3 bioses going out to a520?

[stoic island]

Lemme check

Theoretically

[wicked frigate]

I wish I was an tech expert like u guys

Would be really helpful

Lol

[stoic island]

Hm, I think it does

[little osprey]

i wouldn't call myself an expert

[wicked frigate]

Guys what’s the cheapest gaming pc you can build with a solid performance

[stoic island]

Its got agesa 1.2.0.2 but

[wicked frigate]

Just wondering

I would call I both an expert

[stoic island]

Cheapest would be like 11400 build xD

[little osprey]

honestly within this situation, an igpu 11500 wouldn't be such a horrible choice

[wicked frigate]

I don’t know 3/4 of this

No lien a budget

Liek the budget

400

500

550

[little osprey]

eh always pondered about the 11400 vs 11500. for igpu i heard its uhd 730 vs 750 and almost a 20% performance uplift? correct me if im wrong

[stoic island]

I mean

[little osprey]

but if you have a gpu already an 11400 would be the obvious choice

[stoic island]

Look at passmark where 730 out-scores the uhd 750 xD

[wicked frigate]

A cheap build

[little osprey]

10100 then for that budget

[wicked frigate]

Liek a budget build

Like there overall budget of the whole pc

$500

$600

[little osprey]

10100 cheapest h410/b460/b560

[wicked frigate]

Ram

Psu

[little osprey]

psu would be easy

[wicked frigate]

I wouldn’t need an gpu

[little osprey]

cx 450 is on a sale correct

[wicked frigate]

Ram

Storage

[little osprey]

as for the ram just go with whatevers the cheapest, at least like what 3000mhz on b560

if on h410/b460 just go with cheapest 2666

and as for storage an ssd is practically essential, id say an mp33 512gb or whatevers availible

[wicked frigate]

Wait is 3600 speed supported on 5000 series

[little osprey]

yes

[muted patio]

Even faster

[wicked frigate]

Or do I have to go in the bios

And change it

[little osprey]

well

if youre talking about xmp you always have to go into the bios and enable it

[wicked frigate]

What’s that

[little osprey]

so when a ram kit is advertised it shows its supported speeds. so lets say a kit for 3200C16. but when you buy it product manufacturers want it to AT LEAST boot so they run in a slower speed. one that ensures stability, then you go into bios enable xmp (extreme memoru profile) which in turn sets it to its advertised speed. 3200C16 in this case

i guess it can be seen as overclocking?

[muted patio]

XMP is overclocking technically, yes

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pT48cT
just a list for some fun

[fossil cedar]

At the price of the 10400 you'd wanna get that instead when it's like 20 more or something

[sacred trench]

.

[stoic island]

Sad

[little osprey]

ur right i totally disregarded that

[fossil cedar]

Lol 10400 is deal

[clear moat]

Anyone know if the nzxt smart device has a USB header on it?

[stoic island]

the what

[clear moat]

Their fan controller

Or do I just need to buy the corsair controller?

I only gave one usb port on my mobo so I had to take the fan controller from old case

[stoic island]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3522-nzxt-smart-device-doesnt-do-anything-cam-deep-dive

hm

[clear moat]

Rip it came with the case

Total commander better 5uo?

Tho

[stoic island]

what

software is all always wack

[clear moat]

Sorry the corsair fan controller?

[stoic island]

I mean, if it works as a fan controller, it's still fine

it just does nothing that's "smart"

[clear moat]

Oh tru

[odd cosmos]

ugh, my time in windows i wrong, anyone know why?

[stoic island]

just manually set it again

[desert gulch]

Like just a dif time zone?

[odd cosmos]

so the issue is, in date and time, it says im in Pacific time

but in alarms and clock

[odd cosmos]

thats what i believe it is

[odd cosmos]

but the doesn't really solve it since wont it just reset after shutting down?

[desert gulch]

Nah it'll stay

[odd cosmos]

alr but i prob would prefer it to be set automatically yk

since it thinks im in the west coast

[desert gulch]

Then change location to ur time zone

[odd cosmos]

in date and time, where you are supposed to change it

its right

but in alarm and clock, its wrong but you cant change the time zone in alarm and closk

[desert gulch]

Hmmm

[odd cosmos]

yea its weird

you think it couild have to do with hardware?

or is it a software issue

ok i just manually set my time

and its right at the bottom right, but in discord, its still wrong

anyone can help?

welp, set my time zone to Havana and ig it;s working fine 😁

[verbal quarry]

whats the best way to get the most accurate cpu temps info?

[muted patio]

Hwinfo64

[verbal quarry]

thanks vintage

[inland linden]

i am looking for a good affordable high refresh rate monitor, what do you guys recommend?

[rich helm]

m27q

not super high refresh rate but mmmmmmm

[inland linden]

price is killing me man

[rich helm]

what gpu do you have

@inland linden

[inland linden]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fh4zLP

that is the build

[rich helm]

m27q is a great monitor for a 3070

oof 345 usd

usually 330 or less

[inland linden]

anything under 200?

[rich helm]

if you are doing 3070 build not worth buying monitor under 200

200 or less is going to be budgetish 144hz 1080p and if you want to play 1080p just get a 3060ti or 3060

[minor ledge]

I have a 3060 what monitor can I get for under 250

@rich helm

[rich helm]

usd?

[minor ledge]

Yes

[rich helm]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-nitro-xf243y-pbmiiprx-23-8-full-hd-monitor-hdmi/6425559.p?acampID=0&cmp=RMX&irclickid=2TG3c7RwnxyLRuU0EHQlB1XYUkB0fgXduTVZz40&irgwc=1&loc=RTINGS.com&mpid=1989377&ref=198&skuId=6425559 this one looks pretty good

144hz but can oc to 165hz

IPS

gsync support

[minor ledge]

Thanks 👍

Now I need a keyboard and mouse 😅

@rich helm

[rich helm]

mechanical keyboard?

[minor ledge]

Yeah

[rich helm]

what budget

[minor ledge]

Idk how do they usually cost ?

Much

[rich helm]

wired is like 40-60 on keychron (keychron is recommended budget keeb) and wireless is like 60-80

im not really an expert on mice, its really preference in that category

[minor ledge]

I’m new to the pc world 😅 that’s why I’m asking

Cuz I don’t really know what’s best

[rich helm]

for mouse, if you have friends with mice you can try theirs, personally i have a logitech g502 but if you have smallish hands you might like a razer mouse more

[minor ledge]

I’ll go with whatever you recommend tbh 👍

[rich helm]

do you know what type of switches you like?

[minor ledge]

No 😅

What are switches ?

[inland linden]

will they restock NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070?

[rich helm]

in mechanical keyboards switches are the things under the keycap that basically sense you key press and there are 3 general types of switches: Linear, tactile, and clicky

Linear are smooth travel, tactile will have a little bump where the keypress is detected, and clicky, well click

[minor ledge]

Maybe tactile

[inland linden]

or am i going to have to buy second hand

[minor ledge]

Or linear

[topaz void]

they have been restocking they just sell out

cards are selling as fast as anyone can get them

[inland linden]

ohh so i have to wait

[topaz void]

You can try newegg shuffle that's how I got my 3070 and the 3060 I gave to my friend

[rich helm]

probably best to go to best buy or something and try keyboards there to find a switch preference, then order a keychron with that type of switch. just for info, red switches are linear, browns are tactile, and blues are clicky. Im not sure if you can try mice at best buy but that too if you can.

[minor ledge]

Ok I’ll do that thanks @rich helm

[inland linden]

@topaz void someone made a list/build for me but now it is not available and the one that are cost too much

[rich helm]

none are available, you kinda just have to enter shuffles and try to win one and take whatever 3070 you can get

[topaz void]

Yea unfortunately that's the case for a lot of people. or there are a lot of people without functioning computers who have everything but a gpu and no integrated graphics

[inland linden]

ohh i didn't know they were in such high demand, if i enter the shuffle can i get it for under $800

[rich helm]

some of the cheaper ones are like 740 or less

[topaz void]

Right now a lot of them seem to be in bundles with other parts which if you don't use the other part makes them more than that but say it includes a b550 motherboard and you were planning on going amd you can jsut use that mobo instead and it wont be bad.

[topaz void]

I got my evga ftw3 for $700 flat

[inland linden]

and does it matter which one it is or does it just have to be 3070 because on their website they have a lot of different 3070

[rich helm]

evga is one of the cheaper

[rich helm]

what ever one you can get

[topaz void]

Just take whatever 3070 you can get

[rich helm]

if you get any of them then you are lucky

[topaz void]

they're all similar enough that its not worth passing any of them up because you wanted a different one

[inland linden]

ok thanks i'm not so familiar with pc things

[topaz void]

Yea no problem

[rich helm]

some one on offerup i was messaging was trying to trade 3070 strix for evga 3070/3060ti or fe 3070/3060ti

[topaz void]

why isn't the strix literally the best one? lol

[rich helm]

obviously msrp + cahs difference

[topaz void]

ahhh

that makes sense

because the strix is way more money

[rich helm]

they were putting it in mining rig and wanted their cards to match

they already had 3 evga ones

and they wanted an fe cause they thought it looked cool

i talked to him but i dont really want to pay 380 for an upgrade from my 3060ti to 3070

[topaz void]

Also here is the link for shuffle enter daily between 1-3pm eastern time https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle

[topaz void]

Yea I wouldn't say thats worth it personally.

[rich helm]

because mine is fe it is 400

like if it was 200 or less i would probably do it but yeah

[inland linden]

ok thanks

[rich helm]

not for more

i would have to replace my case in order to fit a strix card in it anyway

[topaz void]

Yea that's fair

[dull notch]

I need help putting my pc fans together

like the cables together

[little osprey]

whats better rx 580 8gb or gtx 1060 6gb

[little osprey]

Getting a 3060 friday

[little osprey]

580

Roughly same clock speed, more vram

[fossil cedar]

You can't compare clock speeds across completely different lineups btw but yes a 580 os better

[lyric thistle]

fx 9590 better than i9 11900k

[uneven oar]

anything AMD is better than Intel at the moment, if specifically you are talking about Ryzen CPU's, at least 3900x and 5900x.

[flint sapphire]

Eh 11400f vs a 5600 is questionable

[little osprey]

11400 permorms very close to 5600 on gaming 🤔

[fossil cedar]

Close, not as good but way better value

[fossil cedar]

Ryzen 3000 prices have been inflated for a while, a 10850k or 10900 would be a better deal than a 3900x

But they do win in 5000 series yeah

[uneven oar]

Oh I absolutely agree the prices are out of this world, I was actually referencing the amazon hot list for CPU's and AMD is crushing it for most wanted. The only lucky MSRP break would be winning the newegg shuffle 🙂

[fossil cedar]

Ahh yeah

[uneven oar]

If you can get it, best price to performance gaming value would be a 5900x.

[wicked frigate]

Hey guys so friend has an laptop and he doesn’t know the password to it and they have important picture in there

Is there any way they can take it out

How good is i9 11900k for gaming

11700k

[fossil cedar]

It's okay but terrible value, if you need 8 cores get a 5800x and a b550 if you need more get a 5900x or a 10850k or 10900 if you need cores on budget ish side

Or if you already have a b560/z490/z590 motherboard

[wicked frigate]

@fossil cedar can u help me on these Hey guys so friend has an laptop and he doesn’t know the password to it and they have important picture in there

[worn wave]

You could use Hirens Boot CD to remove the password

just google it and a tutorial on how to remove the password

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Any other method

What about like removing the hdd

[worn wave]

That would do nothing

[wicked frigate]

And outing it in a thing

[worn wave]

Oh

Connecting it to another computer could work also

[wicked frigate]

But it’s the password

And I think it’s windows

[worn wave]

Then use hirens boot cd

[wicked frigate]

Ok

What would that do

[worn wave]

Remove the password...

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Air

Wait

How would they do that if they can unlock the patio

[worn wave]

Hirens Boot CD is something you boot to

its a live OS

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Is it a free thing

[worn wave]

yes

[wicked frigate]

Ok thx

[torpid kindle]

hey im looking for some help with building my pc. im runing into come issues with the websites pc builder tool. is this the place to ask these questions?

[worn wave]

You should use pcpartpicker its a better website

[torpid kindle]

ok, does it help me with tracking dimensions of hardware so things dont conflict with eachother. i think thats what im runing into with newegg. ive selected several components and am looking at GPUs but every search says no items that match my selections.

[worn wave]

Yes it does

It shows you dimension conflicts but its still better to look at the manufactuers spec pages

[torpid kindle]

ok cool. ill go check that out. thanks

[celest sun]

11700k is good for games, I just upgraded from 3770k

[wicked frigate]

Is we

Wait is user benchmarks

Reliable

[worn wave]

not in the slighest

[wicked frigate]

Cause I saw 11 gen is better for gaming

[worn wave]

Never use userbenchmarks

[wicked frigate]

But people told em 5900x is

Ok

[celest sun]

5900x is +200$ over the 11700

• availability isn't quite there

[worn wave]

10700K / 11700K is the best for the price currently

[wicked frigate]

So 5900x is still better right

Also

[worn wave]

Sure but they are incredibly more expensive

[wicked frigate]

Yah

I somehow got lucky and got one

[worn wave]

For how much?

[celest sun]

Oh, then wtf you talkin bout

[wicked frigate]

550

Plus tax

[worn wave]

Not bad then

[celest sun]

Go get yourself a board, and plug that in

[wicked frigate]

What lus warranty

Plus here we had 25

Instock

And I got one

I have a board

[celest sun]

Den wtf ya waitin for?

[wicked frigate]

My gpu lol

What’s better dark hero or formaula

Formula

[celest sun]

Probably small details, more heatsinks, newer M2 Slots, etc

more rgb

[wicked frigate]

Which one

[celest sun]

Either, those would be the only key differences really

maybe 2X Dedicated 16X PCIE 4.0 slots that don't go to 8x 8x

[wicked frigate]

They have pre flashed bios right

[celest sun]

typically, yes

[worn wave]

Personally I would rather have the Dark Hero for the looks and no chipset fan

[wicked frigate]

Yah same

[worn wave]

I have a X570 Pro WS ACE

[wicked frigate]

Shh hi pups is eel my 5900x

Well my

Should I sell

[celest sun]

New asus boards got VRM fans, efficient

[worn wave]

Nah you got the CPU, use it

[wicked frigate]

@celest sun which ones you

[worn wave]

its a great CPU

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[wicked frigate]

Like which ones

[celest sun]

Im using the Z590-E Strix board

[wicked frigate]

On I am using dark hero

Lol

[celest sun]

Yes, also asus

[wicked frigate]

Isn’t the best 3080

Strix oc

And 3090 same thing

[celest sun]

Strix 3090 may require a little DIY cooling

[wicked frigate]

Wtf

U have one

[celest sun]

A bit overkill, but yeah, need it

[wicked frigate]

Is it a overkill on mine

Is it a 3090

Or 3080

And when and how u got it

[celest sun]

3080 if you don't plan on doing any 4k gaming

2.8k back in Jan from ebay

[wicked frigate]

Omg how many hdd u got

[celest sun]

9

[wicked frigate]

Why

[celest sun]

well, 4 HDD, 5 SSD/M2

[wicked frigate]

5 m.2

[celest sun]

Mass storage for Media

[wicked frigate]

U have 5 m.2

[celest sun]

2 M2, 3 ssd

[wicked frigate]

Oh ok

How much sotoragw I. TotL

And is it’s 3090

Strix

[celest sun]

12 TB

Yeah its the 3090

[wicked frigate]

Dang

What the best 3090

Uknow????

[celest sun]

What you don't see is the 40 copper heatsinks on the backplate under the fans

and to that I would say asus hands down. l

[wicked frigate]

I see

Bro should I get an 3080 to

When it comes out

Ti

[still roost]

Oberron#2798 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[celest sun]

Hell if i know, maybe summer

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[celest sun]

The 80 ti cards will probably have better cooling solutions

[wicked frigate]

I see

Bro I have a 1050ti

In my old system

But I don’t want to use it in my new pc cause I don’t wanna bottleneck

Also

Are ll120 fans good

On lian li 011

[muted patio]

What resolution you gaming at

[wicked frigate]

On line

Mine

I don’t remember

[muted patio]

Resolution

MOnitor

[wicked frigate]

60

Hertz

[muted patio]

1080p?

[wicked frigate]

Sadly

I think

I am not sure

At the moment

I wanna game at 4K

How good are ll120

[fossil cedar]

Why not just bring it over so you can use your new pc until you get a better card?

[wicked frigate]

I don’t wan a bottleneck

[fossil cedar]

Just play at 1080p until you get a better card

[wicked frigate]

I play a t 1080

[fossil cedar]

There's always gonna be a bottleneck in your system, it does no harm

[wicked frigate]

I think rn

Oh I see

Also

Can u tell me how good is ll120

[fossil cedar]

Idk much about rgb fans try ask #old-cooling

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Also is I get artic cooler

Should I replace them with ll120

[fossil cedar]

Why would you?

[wicked frigate]

Cause I’ll match the other fans

[fossil cedar]

What arctic cooler? The aio?

[wicked frigate]

I mean than I twont look good in my pc

Aio

[fossil cedar]

Well i mean you could but in that case you would be better off getting a ek aio but if you already have it would be fine just possibly perform not as well

[wicked frigate]

Why

Is that

I thought artic is e best

Preformanxw wise

[celest sun]

Noctua and NZXT is best, imo

[fossil cedar]

Yes but their fans are a part of that

[wicked frigate]

Ohhh

[fossil cedar]

Nzxt overpriced and meh

[wicked frigate]

So what’s the difference

[fossil cedar]

Ehh depends on the fan you replace it with

[celest sun]

Good CFMs, long warranty

[wicked frigate]

So which one is the best if I replanted it with ll120

[fossil cedar]

Cubic feet per meter?

Artic has a 6 year warranty

[robust lake]

Nzxt fans look bad

[wicked frigate]

@fossil cedar so ur saying ek with mine

What about Galahad

[robust lake]

Good too

[celest sun]

Air movement is typically measured in cubic feet per minute (CFM)

[fossil cedar]

Do you already have the aio? If not and want rgb get the ek one or galahad if you want white

[muted patio]

Rads need static pressure tho too

[wicked frigate]

@fossil cedar is intel have a aio

Yet

[fossil cedar]

Sorry what?

[wicked frigate]

Here I am for sure using ll120

[muted patio]

Intel doesn't make AIO's lol

[wicked frigate]

I don’t have one

I meant sry

[muted patio]

Just get an AIO and put the LL120's on it, they're fine for AIO use

[wicked frigate]

Here u tell me which is the best aio for ll120

[fossil cedar]

AHhh then get an ek aio or galahad

[celest sun]

They also stopped packaging Stock coolers with their CPU's, not cool

[muted patio]

Well yeah, they're heat boxes

[fossil cedar]

Well the i5s still have stock coolers

[celest sun]

Meh, who the hell wants an I-5

[wicked frigate]

@celest sun what u for

Got

[celest sun]

the 11700

[muted patio]

I5's are just fine for quite a few people

[celest sun]

Upgraded from i-7 3770k

I5 is good for laptop mebbe

[wicked frigate]

I am in between ek and artic

[fossil cedar]

A lot of people

[wicked frigate]

Maybe Galahad

[fossil cedar]

Waste of sand ;-;

[robust lake]

If you replace fans

Go arctic

[wicked frigate]

@robust lake replacing ll120 no matter what

So artic

[fossil cedar]

Why tho? The ek ones are good

[robust lake]

Yeah if you replace

[wicked frigate]

Well artic has better performance right

I am replacing the fans on the aio

So artic or ek

[fossil cedar]

Why bother replacing fans? Just so controlled with 1 software?

[fossil cedar]

If replacing anyway go arctic i guess

[robust lake]

They are almost the same preformence so get whatever is cheaper

[wicked frigate]

Ik but than it won’t look good 6 ll and 3 aio fans

[fossil cedar]

Arctic usually

[robust lake]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

Well acc the ek non rgb is cheaper acc

[wicked frigate]

I see

So if I replace than fans with ll artic is the best right

Or ek

[fossil cedar]

I think it would look fine you won't notice the diff in shape or whatever

[winged lion]

EK rgb

[fossil cedar]

The reason the ek rgb is so nice is the rgb on the waterblock too

[wicked frigate]

Yah

I like that

What’s the performance f#doffernece

[fossil cedar]

So why not get ek and not replace fans

[winged lion]

ikr

[wicked frigate]

But I already bought the fans

[fossil cedar]

Arctic number 1 ek closely follows

[fossil cedar]

Keep them as spare? Or something? Return them?

[wicked frigate]

I can’t

Bought the them a while ago

[robust lake]

Keep the ek fans spare

[wicked frigate]

Yah

So this is what I might do replace than fans and buy the ek

But at the same time I want the performance on the artic

[robust lake]

It is 1 or 2 c

Not big deal

[wicked frigate]

Is the difference big

Is Galahad 3

Ek 2

Artic 1

[fossil cedar]

Yeah they pretty close in perf

[wicked frigate]

Ok thx guys

Bro look at this

On Newegg

We’d

Wtf

[worn wave]

Temp price to show it's out of stock

[wicked frigate]

Ohhhh

[fossil cedar]

Weird tho

[wicked frigate]

Lol

Yah

What about VRM wise

@fossil cedar

@robust lake

[fossil cedar]

Aios dont really cool vrms

[robust lake]

Well arctic has a fun

[wicked frigate]

Oh

[robust lake]

For vrm

But you dont realy need it

[wicked frigate]

Do it really matter

What does it do

Watching gamer nexus rn

Lol

[fossil cedar]

Hardly does any diff tho

[robust lake]

Yes i said

[fossil cedar]

Yeah sorry took to long

[robust lake]

All good

[wicked frigate]

So VRN doesn’t really matter right

[muted patio]

wat

It does matter

[wicked frigate]

VRM

For aios

[robust lake]

The small fun doesnt matter

[muted patio]

VRM has nothing to do with AIO and everything to do with CPU

[wicked frigate]

I see

Ok

Do I have to change the pump speed

Hey guys is $154.99 standard price for ek

[robust lake]

For 360mm i think yes

[wicked frigate]

Ok

When I install the aio will I have to change anything

Ike the fans speed of possible

Pump speed

[fossil cedar]

i mean it will just use your motherboards default one so

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Will it adjust automatically if it needs to

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

it will just use your default cpu fan curve for your motherboard but you can adjust

[muted patio]

Set pump to 100%

Use fans for cooling

[wicked frigate]

Ok

And what about ram speed

Also

Should I do too 3 exhaust and 6 intake

[fossil cedar]

6 intake? what case are you using?

[fossil cedar]

youll need to enable xmp in the bios to get your ram to run at its rated speed

[wicked frigate]

@fossil cedar lian li o11

[fossil cedar]

ahh

ehh should be fine i think

are you not getting a 360 aio tho?

[wicked frigate]

Ik

I am getting a 360

[fossil cedar]

so do 4 exhaust 6 intake?

[wicked frigate]

Where

[fossil cedar]

is there not a place at the back for a fan?

[wicked frigate]

Like

I think there is

Oak

Idk

Let me check

[fossil cedar]

ohh it doesnt

[wicked frigate]

Don’t think so

[fossil cedar]

emm idk side might be better off exhaust im not sure tho

[wicked frigate]

What about top

[fossil cedar]

most cases do thats why i was confused

[wicked frigate]

Heat rises

[fossil cedar]

exhaust def

[wicked frigate]

Also

On the ll

What side is exhaust

[fossil cedar]

Ehh exhaust would have the back of the cage facing into the case

[wicked frigate]

I am planning to 3 exhaust on the aio and rest intake

But idk

If anyone else got any good suggestions let me know

Guys should I get an warranty

[fossil cedar]

All products will come with a warranty

[wicked frigate]

What

But it’s asking me

On the newgegg

[fossil cedar]

Additional warranties are a waste imo

[wicked frigate]

Wait than if I want to return it

How do I return itnif I want

[fossil cedar]

You'll still be able to return all the products will come with a warranty of some sort, iirc eks one is at least a few years

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Who to I contact if I want to return it

[fossil cedar]

Newegg I'd assume

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[uneven oar]

Black cage in case. You want to set it up so you have good flow into the case, cooler air coming in from the front/bottom, and warmer air coming out the top/back. In my case (no pun intended), I got 3 in, 1 exhaust, and my aio fans pushing out from the radiator on top.

if you can get the airflow balanced, it will be your best scenario.

[valid basalt]

anyone ever build in a focus g case, just wondering if I should get some cable extensions? (build not started)

[uneven oar]

for the power?

the case looks like its completely open, no shroud for the psu, no way to tuck the cables aside. you may not need them at all

[valid basalt]

yeah

that's teh "ding" on this case, no basement shroud

I'll go behind where I can but I have a modular so I shouldn't have a rats nest at the bottom

but I didn't want to run into a cable being too short

spose I'll just build it and if I gotta go to MC then I gotta go.

[uneven oar]

Hmm, personally I would say get the cable extensions..here's why. If something happens with the psu and you need to swap, you only need to open one place

and not fiddle with the front setup

[valid basalt]

not bad logic

[uneven oar]

i had to swap psu units, and it was tons easier then having to play fish for the cpu power headers

[valid basalt]

modular psu

I didn't specify earlier though

[uneven oar]

of course! modular is the best

So much easier than a cord sticking out to shove into a case

But when you do swap, they really recommend to swap the cables as well to all devices...just something to know if it ever happens. the extensions will definitely help in this case

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JXcYZZ thoughts? mainly for light gaming such as valorant and minecraft. not sure abt the gpu choicr

[fossil cedar]

Don't buy a 1030 for 170$ just get an i5 11500 and use the onboard graphics til you get a card

[little osprey]

mmm true

[fossil cedar]

And get ballistix 3600cl16 for a bit more and an id cooling se 224xt, gammaxx 400 or vetroo v5, also if you plan to get a 30xx gpu you will want a bigger psu

Nvm didn't see you had the vetroo at the bottom

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVV6fP @little osprey I'd recommend something like this

[little osprey]

3600c16 is 20 usd more than 3200c16

iirc the only difference between them is clocking eith tRDC

i can just oc the first kit

would prob go for something like a 1660s or 3060ti

[fossil cedar]

3600 is like 10 or 15 more no? And okay but same okay but that means you actually have to oc your ram and stress test instead of just using xmp

[uneven oar]

you get what you paid for, I'd pay the extra amount to keep it consistant

[wicked frigate]

Guys

In the shuffle how may can I pick

Or to choose to enter the shuffle

[fossil cedar]

I believe you just click the ones you want

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[fossil cedar]

Then def go 600w instead of 550 incase you get 3060ti

[cedar falcon]

This is a long shot, but would any of you happen to recognize this case?

It came with a pre-built I bought years ago and I'm thinking of cannibalizing it to make a new build. Trying to decide if I should stay with the case or not, I wanted to look at reviews

[stoic island]

Well, I'll just give you a professional opinion, looks like it sucks
/s

But seriously, doesn't look good

[cedar falcon]

What do you think makes it poor?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it and other parts were a bit subpar

[stoic island]

The front side 'intakes'

[uneven oar]

The logo 🤢

[stoic island]

Build quality won't be good of course, that's kind of taken for granted, but I won't have faith in the fans installed for being good, on top of what looks to be pretty poor intake on the front.

[cedar falcon]

So I'll probably plan on getting a new case, thanks.

[stoic island]

And ofc there's no good precedents in terms of the cases they use for prebuilts xD
https://youtu.be/rRlCtp_q1YM

Anyways, new case is going to be nice

[uneven oar]

besides, what Front I/O connections it has that wouldn't be using 3.2?

[cedar falcon]

I should at least be able to salvage the ram, the SSD, and the liquid CPU cooler

[stoic island]

Depends depends and depends

[cedar falcon]

I have no idea what brand the cooler is but my CPU hasn't exploded yet

[stoic island]

Ram, depending on speed, is most likely fine, but the SSD, if it's like a wd green or smth, into the trash can it goes xD

And aio from prebuilts are always a bit sus, unless you can recognize it as some decent retail part

[uneven oar]

true, tho it should only last at least 5 years at max..so might be better just getting a new AIO instead

[stoic island]

Meh

Sometimes they can use decent AIOs that'll last you most part of a decade

[uneven oar]

fair, how overclocked was this beast?

[cedar falcon]

The ram runs at 2800ish I think, if BIOS is to be believed. It's not the best ever but it'll save some money for now

[stoic island]

Eek

2800? What kinda xmp is that xD

[cedar falcon]

The Ryzen's base block is 4.7 and this CPU let's it overboost to around ~5ghz

Wait

[stoic island]

Uh

[cedar falcon]

Maybe it was 3.7

[stoic island]

That'll make a lot more sense

[cedar falcon]

Yeah I mixed my number up

[stoic island]

5ghz on Zen+ would be very impressive

[uneven oar]

yeah really might as well keep it as is for bragging rights lol!

[stoic island]

And btw that's not OCing

That's just stock boosting behavior

[cedar falcon]

I'm happy it does it's own thing without me needing to fiddle with it

[uneven oar]

❤️ XMP/DOCP

[stoic island]

Yeye

@cedar falcon what's the ssd tho

[cedar falcon]

I'm honestly not sure, but I do have a decent 1TB HD that I can use even if this one isn't salvageable

How much difference would new ram even make? Even if this is a little on the iffy side.

[stoic island]

Could just grab like, dunno, hd sentinel or crystal disk info, and find dat info

[uneven oar]

Big difference, both for general system boost speed and CPU speed

[fossil cedar]

It's a cyber power custom case but better options

[uneven oar]

without an overclock

[cedar falcon]

That's good to know, thank you. Maybe I will look for new ram.

[stoic island]

I mean

@cedar falcon depends depends depends :p

The difference it makes varies vastly

[muted patio]

Depends on many things

[stoic island]

Mainly depends on CPU and task

Some tasks scales great with faster ram, some don't care

[cedar falcon]

Lmao even the cooler has their logo on it

[stoic island]

Ryzen chips likes high IF clocks

Intel doesn't care much but ring nice

[uneven oar]

right. is it all play or also for working? that also will help your decision.

[stoic island]

Yep, depends on the task

Some games love it, some don't, some workstation tasks love it, some don't care

[cedar falcon]

Mostly play, but I do video editing as a second job / hobby

[raw crane]

Pokémon card??

[uneven oar]

I have lots of virtualization, so I need higher cores. Great for work, gaming don't care as much, but still fast enough, memory at 3200, low CL's, runs smooth for both.

could go higher, yes, is it worth the $$, maybe not THAT much...would you ever see the difference in the real world, no. In benchmarks, yes. In gaming, never.

[muted patio]

In gaming yez

Check it

[uneven oar]

ok clarifying, you can see it in gaming...but if you're on the fence between 3200 and 3600 it's not the same as 3200 to 4000

when you factor in the timings

[muted patio]

It's still good for gains of 3 to 10%

[cedar falcon]

So there's finishing returns?

[uneven oar]

yeah but at what cost? If you're gonna get 5% increase for the upgrade, it's not worth it. 10-15%, absolutely

[stoic island]

I mean, it's 20$ in a 1000$+ build for a 5% gain when you're talking about 2x8 of 3200c16 against 3600c16

[uneven oar]

oh for that amount yes. Sorry i was thinking around 64GB not 16GB

[stoic island]

Yea it makes less sense for workstation loads with more ram

But eh

Some tasks can still utilize 4x16 of 3600c16 over 3200c16

[uneven oar]

but shoot, 3200cl16 or 3600cl16, of course the latter.

[stoic island]

Pretty sure someone was tuning ram in #overclocking a while ago and was able to cut like 10% off the rendering time necessary for their work

[uneven oar]

one day when i have the patience i will try to oc the ram

[stoic island]

Found it, more like 5%, but still, that's a really nice gain for just messing around with timings without buying new ram or anything

Alright, the results are in.

Original memory speed of 3000 Mhz 15-17-17-35 ran the video encode at 641.78 seconds.

3333 Mhz 16-17-17-35 (which wasn't really refined further), encoded the video at 629.25 seconds.

3600 Mhz 16-20-20-38 encoded the video in 620.35 seconds.

Hm, copying text doesn't work well on mobile

Oh well

[uneven oar]

that ain't bad at all

so i redact my earlier statement about the memory. Cheers!

[raw crane]

So my motherboard doesn’t have wireless WiFi but thats fine because I just got an Ethernet cable today but it’s not detecting my pc

I don’t think the cable is at fault, it’s brand new

[storm stratus]

a couple days ago a got an hp pro book g2 that had no ram or hard drive i was able to replace all the missing parts

and i now have a working laptop

[raw crane]

But if anyone has any solutions or anything I can do to fix it pls ping me

[storm stratus]

what is your problem

[raw crane]

I just plugged my Ethernet cable in but my pc isn’t detecting it

[storm stratus]

do you have the drivers installed

[raw crane]

Wat drivers

[storm stratus]

you have to have drivers for that

are you on windows

[raw crane]

Yeah

[storm stratus]

ok you need to get drivers

[stoic island]

It's detecting the pc..?

What about it

[raw crane]

Not*

Not detecting

[fossil cedar]

they should have ethernet drivers built into windows

[storm stratus]

yea well not always

[stoic island]

So does the Ethernet just not show up in the wireless settings?

[raw crane]

Yeah it doesn’t show up

[storm stratus]

you will need an all drivers disk to put in a cd drive

[raw crane]

Don’t I need WiFi in order to download the drivers

[storm stratus]

no there is an all drivers disk where you can install drivers from a cd

[raw crane]

Cd 🙃

Okay thank you

[storm stratus]

your welcome

[stoic island]

And also, you can do it through usb stick

Download driver using different pc onto stick, plug it in, and run the installation

[storm stratus]

ok i just use a cd

[raw crane]

USB stick works better for me thank youuuu

[storm stratus]

ok

a couple days ago a got an hp pro book g2 that had no ram or hard drive i was able to replace all the missing parts'

i now have a working laptop

[valid yoke]

@vast cosmos Did you take a 108MP photo on an S21 Ultra or something? Because those images are huge, so much so that the Discord application couldn't even load them, so I had to open them in browser

[vast cosmos]

Yeah it is

Lol

[south heath]

100MP+ photos are so fun

[tiny tusk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H2zNVc what do you guys think of this build obviously I can't get a 3080 right now but if the 3080ti comes out and I can get that I'll probably go for that instead

[topaz void]

I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, I will say though that 5950x will give you quite a bit of trouble to find too

[wicked frigate]

@tiny tusk what u using the pc for

[tiny tusk]

A mix of things gaming/school work/stuff for cybersecurity/editing videos and running servers @wicked frigate

I chose that case cuz I like cubes

[muted patio]

You need a motherboard with flashback. That 1 doesn't support 5000 Ceres out of the Box

Wow voice to text is bad

[tiny tusk]

Yea I know I gotta do a bios update

[muted patio]

You have a 3000 series to do it with?

[cold sorrel]

What are the odds my b550 board will support my 5600x without me needing to flash the BIOS?

[tiny tusk]

Yea got a 3000 to do it from my old build @muted patio

[fossil cedar]

tuf x570 is supposed to have bios flahsback no?

[muted patio]

No

Tuf pro

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HQYHF8
Is this a good setup I want to get one when the gpus are not expensive anymore

Is the ssd overkill or not or should I just get a normal one

[fossil cedar]

get a pilot e and a corsair 4000d airflow case

[little osprey]

Ok

[muted patio]

And a differenr aio. 300 yikes

Ek or Arctic

[little osprey]

Ok

I want rgb too

[stoic island]

970 evo is evil

[round stream]

tf is the diff in 970 or 980

[little osprey]

980 is higher number and that's why they do it 100x more expensive

[round stream]

yea ik but performance wise

go ahead mister jöêšter

[stoic island]

@round stream which ones

Samsung made too many

[round stream]

970 980 evo ssd m.2

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yR8MHz

[stoic island]

970 is half a decade old, it's decent performing, but old and expensive, 980 non-pro is newer, it uses newer nand tech and HMB instead of the usual dram cache, but still performs pretty nicely

@little osprey what's with the cooler, motherboard, and ssd?

[round stream]

eh

okay

[stoic island]

If you like rgb, go with Lian Li galahad

[little osprey]

I dont like lian li they make it expensive for no reason like rog

[stoic island]

Mobo wise, you'll want a motherboard with bios flashback in case the mobo arrives with older bios

Uh what

@little osprey it's literally cheaper than the h150i

And performs better

Lol

[little osprey]

Ohh ok

I just hate the brand

[stoic island]

@little osprey hell, if you don't want expensive things, ek-aio is even cheaper and still has rgb

Meh

[rich helm]

Lian li is epic

[stoic island]

I hate the o11, the rest of lian li is nice

[rich helm]

Corsair is meh

I think I would get a O11 but only black

No rgb

[stoic island]

Like their TU150 is probably still my go-to ITX case tbh

Between tu150 and nr200p

[rich helm]

How much is the tu150

[stoic island]

It should be around 120$

Don't remember

[little osprey]

Which aio the 240mm one or 360?

[rich helm]

Oh so kind of an expensive boi

Compared to nr200p

[stoic island]

@little osprey swap the case for a coolermaster td500 mesh and get the 360mm one

[little osprey]

Ok

[stoic island]

Because td500 mesh will fit 360mm aio top mount, 4000d won't

Mobo wise

[little osprey]

Ok

[stoic island]

A board with bios flashback, any of them tbh, I like b550 aorus pro ac, but many options out there.

[fossil cedar]

change that drive, its sata

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mhwhXb that would do a lot better @little osprey

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cpk6fP

acc that one changed to an 850w revolution df

[topaz void]

Yea was just about to ask if the 750W psu is enough

[fossil cedar]

and the one i put together is exactly same price

[fossil cedar]

it is but revo such a deal

[stoic island]

750w is enough, just RM not best

Ya and revo such nice deal

[little osprey]

Ok

[fossil cedar]

its exactly the same price to the cent as well lol

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PvGcsX

The mobo has a different price in my country

But 400 damn

[fossil cedar]

What country? And the mobo it's hardly diff

[little osprey]

Ok

Germany

[stoic island]

Just use de.pcpartpicker.com

[little osprey]

Can you just tell me a good x570 for ryzen 5900x

[fossil cedar]

Undo that gpu change, also theres pcpp germany

[little osprey]

Ok

[stoic island]

Using the normal pcpp confuses people a lot

[stoic island]

Why do you need x570 tho >:p

[fossil cedar]

I meant psu change btw

[little osprey]

I dont isnt it better?

[stoic island]

Revolution d.f. is better than RM yea

It's literally the same platform, except it didn't get crappified by Corsair, and is the multi-rail varients

[little osprey]

What's wrong with the psu?

[stoic island]

Corsair decided to downgrade the caps on RM

[fossil cedar]

No gigabyte psu not good

[little osprey]

Oh

[stoic island]

Oh wait

It's p-gm now

@little osprey p-gm literally blew up in testing

And that's not a joke

The primary switching FETs blew up with a hell of a bang. The thing literally exploded
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-gp-p750gm-750-w/12.html

[little osprey]

Ok thanks for telling me

[fossil cedar]

Just use pcpp germany and then we'll fix it, no point im using us pricing if you're from Germany

[stoic island]

Ya

We base a lot of our decisions on price we can see

The more accurate the price we can see, the better suggestions we can make

??

We're asking you to use it because we're getting confused
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/

[little osprey]

Ohh lol

[stoic island]

We can't tell you what's cheaper if we don't know pricing

[fossil cedar]

just use pcpp de because you can always find cheaper deals and we can make recommendations compared to german pricing

[little osprey]

Well talk tomorrow bc imma sleep now

[stoic island]

Okai

[clear moat]

@stoic island thermal paste for gpu? Nt n2 from notcua or mx4

[fossil cedar]

btw enermax revoution df 850w should still be on your list its like 118€ atm

[stoic island]

@clear moat I mean, generally people that bother with repasting gpu go straight up as far as liquid metal, but both thermal pastes will work

[boreal crane]

That is the cpu I want to buy for my build. I wonder if I can get on a wait list at that price. I'll take 10 please 🙂

[wicked frigate]

Oh I have a 5900x

[hallow glen]

uh

[severe vigil]

Can you run a pc with a Ryzen cpu without a gpu⁉️

[muted patio]

If the Ryzen CPU ends with a G, yes

But those as CPU's aren't that great for when you get a GPU

If you're considering an AMD 3600/5600, get an INtel 11400/11500 instead

iGPU is a bit worse on Intel but the CPU you get with it is better than a 3400G by a long shot

[little osprey]

buy 4950 simple

[clear moat]

@stoic island I'm replacing thermal pads and etc so just wanted an okay paste to put on there

[odd cosmos]

not available in NA, at least for the most part

[stoic island]

Where paste works, any decent paste still works

[wicked frigate]

Guys I have a question

Can I start building my computer with no gpu and cooler

Like prep the mobo and put it in the case

and fans

[topaz void]

Yes but can be a lot easier to put your cooler in outside of the case sometimes so that's worth considering

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[shut rampart]

hi

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qhCH27

Looking to upgrade my pc, I have 1k to blow

[muted patio]

QWhat do you have now?

Is that list what you have now?

[shut rampart]

yess

[muted patio]

I mean, I'd just go for CPU, ram and a new NVME

[shut rampart]

I heard I should upgrade to a 3600

[muted patio]

5600x, 3600 mhz C16 ram and a mushkin Pilot E 1 TB NVME

[shut rampart]

is that true?

[muted patio]

That should be about $500 right there.

And a new power supply too

Motherboard, GPU and monitor are fine

Maybe a 1440P monitor if you wanted to upgrade

[shut rampart]

what about cpu cooler

[muted patio]

Lemme make a list real quick

[shut rampart]

I have no space for another monitor

lol

[muted patio]

Oh, well, sell that one and get a new 1440P

XD

[shut rampart]

naw

this one is fine

[muted patio]

SOmething like this, $750. Power supply is a bit overkill but allows room to upgrade down the road. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TjGqfP

[shut rampart]

what about case

[muted patio]

Case is fine

[shut rampart]

I feel like there is no airflow

for the case

[muted patio]

If you want a new case, Corsair 4000D Airflow, Phanteks P500A, something with a mesh front

[shut rampart]

https://gyazo.com/882d0bde0bf1d859b2fc600231ca76e0

is this good

Im just watching some twitch

for temp

[muted patio]

That's not loaded so yeah

it's fine

[shut rampart]

ok

[muted patio]

I have a good cooler in my list I posted

RGB too

[shut rampart]

so what about the ram

[muted patio]

All of that is in my list..........

[shut rampart]

oh ok

[muted patio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TjGqfP

[shut rampart]

didn't see it

[muted patio]

No worries

🙂

Add a case if you want to change that

[topaz void]

for ram I might suggest Ballistix? its on $89 for 16GB 3600

[muted patio]

where

[shut rampart]

is mushkin good?

[topaz void]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164176

[odd cosmos]

this keeps happening when im trying to update windows

There were problems downloading some updates, but we'll try again later. If you keep seeing this, try searching the web or contacting support for help. This error code might help: (0x80070002)

[muted patio]

Absolutely

[shut rampart]

never heard of it

[odd cosmos]

same one i got, works great

[muted patio]

It's 100% great, I promise

[topaz void]

oh oops i messed that up i sent 3200 link

[muted patio]

Ahhhhh

[shut rampart]

so get the b vallistix?

[muted patio]

Just wait a sec

[shut rampart]

ballistix*

[muted patio]

3600 is $105 last I checked

[topaz void]

107

[shut rampart]

I heard that mr1111 recommanded ballistix

[muted patio]

Stick with my list then

[topaz void]

I misread it when i clicked the link, I searched 3600 and it linked me 3200 for whatever reason

[odd cosmos]

wow thats a bit more expensive than it is in canada lol

[muted patio]

Are you going to overclock your ram?

[shut rampart]

yes

[muted patio]

You are

[shut rampart]

si

[odd cosmos]

this keeps happening when im trying to update windows
There were problems downloading some updates, but we'll try again later. If you keep seeing this, try searching the web or contacting support for help. This error code might help: (0x80070002)

[muted patio]

Get this then https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164173?Description=3600 C16&cm_re=3600_C16-_-20-164-173-_-Product

[topaz void]

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do-i-fix-error-code-0x80070002/b2790e69-fac1-4487-934f-10c91c2b9beb

[odd cosmos]

lol i found that, didn't help since it was a completely different issue

and the person kinda solved it by himself

[topaz void]

Try #windows-ios then?

Thewy might be able to help more

[muted patio]

What update is it trying to download, you have a KB number?

[odd cosmos]

um lemme just check reall quick

[shut rampart]

ok i have about 250

left

anything else?

[muted patio]

Yep!

Bling

If you want it

Nothing else IMO needs to be upgraded

ANother drive maybe

larger storage

You declined monitor

[odd cosmos]

it was just a windows update lol, nothing specific

[shut rampart]

meh I have extra storage

[muted patio]

Case then

[shut rampart]

I got a 1 TD SSD

[odd cosmos]

was trying to update drivers

[muted patio]

and some RGB if that tickles your fancy

[shut rampart]

and 1TD HDD

[muted patio]

what driver

[odd cosmos]

alr

[shut rampart]

maybe I will be thinking of buying a new table

[odd cosmos]

um the newest one for the intel graphics

[shut rampart]

for another montior

[muted patio]

Ahhh, get that from Intel instead of Windows

[shut rampart]

oh yha I need thermal paste

any good ones

[topaz void]

whatever is cheapest

[muted patio]

Arctic Silver MX4

The old standby

[odd cosmos]

yea i tried, but the issue is, i downloaded it but

[muted patio]

But....

[desert gulch]

Mx5 is my go-to rn

[odd cosmos]

in device manager

i wasnt able to apply it

it said it was up to date

[muted patio]

Uh, you don't apply it there

You DL it from INtel and run their program

[odd cosmos]

however, in intel graphics command center

it says its not updated

[odd cosmos]

wait wdym?