building-and-recc-chat

[stoic island]

@nimble hornet basically what I have lmao, better GPU is the next step

[wanton cliff]

pretty sure by 'clicks' he means the button

[waxen storm]

Is this not for a fan?

No I mean the psu

[muted patio]

That's not a fan connector

[wanton cliff]

oh lol

[viral ore]

doing illogical things like that can fix bazare issues, (hence why i suggested it a while ago)

[muted patio]

That's a power connector

[viral ore]

give it a shot if your down

[muted patio]

For old floppy drives

[pulsar zodiac]

I can retry

shouldn't be hard

[waxen storm]

Okay so i unplugged that one

[pulsar zodiac]

if you can guide me on how to uninstall it

[viral ore]

do the opposite of what you did when you installed it...

[pulsar zodiac]

yeah

I just pull it out and switch

hold on

give me a few minutes

[waxen storm]

This is a fan connector though right?

[stoic island]

that's molex

edit: me being dumb

[muted patio]

RGB

[waxen storm]

Wtf

[muted patio]

aRGb to be exact

[nimble hornet]

3090 ? 🙂

[stoic island]

oh wait

3 pin argb

[pulsar zodiac]

brb

[muted patio]

There's another little connector there that I can't make out

[stoic island]

@viral ore I looked at it, saw 3 big holes, molex

[viral ore]

lol

[waxen storm]

Okay well I have two slots on my motherboard for sys fan but I can't find any cables to connect to that

[stoic island]

but then I looked at it again

that's 3 pin 5v argb lmao

[wanton cliff]

Mr1111 was wrong for once lmao

[stoic island]

no

I'm wrong again

I make many a mistakes when I'm tired, and I'm always tired

[little osprey]

@waxen storm no its not for sys fan lol

[waxen storm]

Why is a prebult pc coming with things unplugged?

Like I bought this because I don't know what I'm doing

It's really frustrating

[little osprey]

power it with molex and thats all good

[stoic island]

@nimble hornet 3090 is not going to have fun running off a 650w psu

@waxen storm It's just... prebuilts being bad...

[little osprey]

3090 with 650w ? rip

[nimble hornet]

its always need more than part when come to upgread lol

[waxen storm]

Uh ok

[little osprey]

3090 taking over 400w itself lol

[waxen storm]

How can I fix it

Because I don't want to melt my pc

[nimble hornet]

will psu will be 1000w than

[stoic island]

not a need but

RM1000i is nice when in stock

otherwise a Revolution D.F. 850w should do fine

[little osprey]

can you power it with molex ?@waxen storm

oh wrong pin sorry

[nimble hornet]

im thinking to build another pc and make this my sec pc

[waxen storm]

I don't know @little osprey

[little osprey]

how many output have your fans

[stoic island]

@waxen storm also, you should be able to just leave it alone if you're talking about that 3 pin 5v aRGB connector again

just leave it unplugged for now

[waxen storm]

That's where my fan is supposed to go

There's another empty slot as well

I can't find the cable that is supposed to go there

[prime plover]

That do be a motherboard.

[waxen storm]

It do be

Idc about the rgb @stoic island I thought that was for a fan

All I care about are the fans that are supposed to be plugged in

[stoic island]

This connector in the picture is NOT a fan header, this is 3 pin 5v argb, just don't plug it in for now

[prime plover]

My case doesn't have glass sides because I really don't care about rgb.

[waxen storm]

Yes I understand that

I am new to this so I didn't know that

[stoic island]

(I'm emphasizing not plugging that in because well, that uses 5v, your normal fan header and normal rgb headers are 12v)

[waxen storm]

I don't know where any of the fan headers are, or where to look

[stoic island]

It's alright

[prime plover]

The handbook that came with your motherboard is yoru friend.

[little osprey]

its power connector but idk what it called

[waxen storm]

What happens if I did plug that in and tried to turn it on

[prime plover]

It lists all the different ones.

[stoic island]

fan might die

[still roost]

Pose#5484 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[waxen storm]

Oops

[prime plover]

[stoic island]

prob shouldn't kill everything else

[waxen storm]

Did I mess up my px

Pc

[stoic island]

but the fan might be dead

[little osprey]

thats what he have

its not rgb or something

its old power

[waxen storm]

That looks like this

[little osprey]

yeah it is old power connector lol idk where it should be but definitely not cpu or sys fan

[nimble hornet]

pose .. first unplug all fans and start system to make sure its not the fans >> than plug fans once a time and check where is the issue .. its my opinion ... what you think mr1111 ??

[prime plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5jFXl0GZJo

Also watch that.

He tells you the different slots.

[waxen storm]

I just wanna play game 😩

[pulsar zodiac]

@viral ore they're both NVMEs

[waxen storm]

Well it's starting up so that's good

But I didn't plug anything in

[little osprey]

@waxen storm wait ill check to see where it should be but dont plug it to sys fan its not it ok

[waxen storm]

Okay thank you

Vintage said it was for old power like floppy drives

[little osprey]

its called berg connector

[viral ore]

lol

[muted patio]

It is

Forget that exists

[viral ore]

your build list is wrong then

[pulsar zodiac]

Yeah

[waxen storm]

I'm just looking for my fan headers @muted patio

[pulsar zodiac]

Well imma switch out the spots

Brb

[muted patio]

What motherboard?

[little osprey]

it probably have molex too

you need to find it xd

[waxen storm]

B460m ds3h

Ac

[pulsar zodiac]

ping if something

[prime plover]

@waxen storm your fan headers should have 3 - 4 holes for pins, and two plastic things that will fit right into the fan headers.

For fans it is okay if you put a 3 hole in a 4 pin.

[muted patio]

CPU fan header is top right by RAM slots

Sys fan header is on the right by ATX power connector 24 pin

[waxen storm]

Yeah I am looking at the manual

[muted patio]

And top left by 8 PIN CPU power

[nimble hornet]

check your m.b datasheet its came with it or on your m.b site on internet

[waxen storm]

I know where they are supposed to be plugged in but I literally can't find the headers

[little osprey]

@waxen storm bro pic that you send that cable cant connect to mobo lol pls dont do it xd

[muted patio]

You mean you can't find the wires from the FANS?

headers are on the motherboard

[nimble hornet]

yeah its show all places

[waxen storm]

The wires from the fans run to a small panel on the back of the pc

[prime plover]

yep

[muted patio]

Ah, that's a fan HUB

[waxen storm]

Those are all plugged in

[prime plover]

Then you are good

[muted patio]

Ok, where do the wires from the HUB go?

Also, CPU fan should go directly to motherboard NOT the hub

[waxen storm]

Yeah it is

[muted patio]

Good

[prime plover]

I don't see the problem you are having.

[muted patio]

Then the hub should be connected to SYS FAN 1 or 2

[waxen storm]

That's the only one that works

And the gpu fans

[prime plover]

So your cpu fan is not going?

[little osprey]

hub can be just molex too

[waxen storm]

Cpu fan works

[muted patio]

Mebbe but pics would help

Like, a pic of the hub

[waxen storm]

Just the chassis fans don't

Because they aren't connected.

Kk hold on

[muted patio]

They're connected to the HUB

[little osprey]

we need to find power for hub it's probably molex or 4pin or maybe sata

🤔

[prime plover]

POG. lots of 3060 cards in stock at newegg shuffle

Be there be there be there.

[little osprey]

today shuffle ?

[prime plover]

yep

[waxen storm]

The one out of the bottom (left) runs to this

That's connected to the front chassis fans and the hub

[muted patio]

On the right side of this pic, there's a cable coming from Fan Speed

That needs to get plugged into Sys_FAN 1 or 2

[waxen storm]

Someone else told me that was argb

[muted patio]

Fan Speed is NOT rgb

[waxen storm]

That's this

[scenic turret]

Thats 3 pin RGB

[muted patio]

What's the smaller connector there?

[scenic turret]

^

[muted patio]

You have TWO connectors pinched together

[scenic turret]

That's a first for me

[muted patio]

Also, that's incorrect

[waxen storm]

It's just for the picture

[muted patio]

The Fan Speed connector only has 2 wires

Not 3

Trace it out again

[waxen storm]

One is a 3 pin connector, what I thought was the fan header

The other idk what I is

[muted patio]

Right side of this pic, Fan Speed has two wires

Black and Black with White Stripe

Where does it go?

[waxen storm]

Nowhere it's unplugged

[muted patio]

Ah, it goes onto Sys fan 1 or 2

SHould be a 3 or 4 pin connector

[waxen storm]

But it has two things on the end

It's the pic I sent before both of them are just pushed together

[muted patio]

Separate them

Send another pic

[little osprey]

it looks like its molex

[muted patio]

First pic

That goes on a fan header

[waxen storm]

Okay where does his friend go

[muted patio]

aRGB header

D_LED2

[little osprey]

easy

[muted patio]

Top right of motherboard

[waxen storm]

You guys are legends

[muted patio]

👍

[waxen storm]

Now does it matter which way it goes on?

One side has a little arrow on ot

[muted patio]

It will only go one way

D_LED2 is 3 pin

[little osprey]

theres one empty pin

look at it

[muted patio]

your plug has a blank hole

line them up

[waxen storm]

I meant the fan header

[little osprey]

it also cant connect wrong

[waxen storm]

Oh

[muted patio]

Ah, line it up with the latch in the center of the connector

For the fan connector

[waxen storm]

It's a 3 pin connector going into a 4 pin slot though

[muted patio]

The vertical tab

Center the connector on it

It's just RPM feedback

[storm flicker]

im trying to bench test and yea mobo is on then off is there anything y’all think could help? this my first build lmao

[wanton cliff]

buy a new PC

[muted patio]

Ram in the wrong slots, CPU power not connected, CPU fan connector not connected

[wanton cliff]

kidding

[little osprey]

lol

[wanton cliff]

make sure all power connectors are in correctly and firmly, to start

[waxen storm]

@muted patio you are so helpful man thank you to you and all the others here who helped me out today

[brittle tinsel]

Is cl16 really worth the price difference compared to cl18

[muted patio]

YW

[brittle tinsel]

Or even 10ns vs 8.889 no

[muted patio]

Real world use? Probs not. but most of the time C16 is the same as C18

[brittle tinsel]

Ns

[muted patio]

I mean, depends on what you're doing

For your rendering, etc, it could make a difference, yes

In games, no

[brittle tinsel]

Gaming, streaming, modeling, script compiling, and video editing(1080p rendering) normally 15-20 minute videos

How does it affect rendering? Render speeds or quality?

[muted patio]

For modeling and video editing, yes

Render speeds will be less

Faster ram = faster rendering

For 5900x, you really should be looking at DDR 4000, more bandwidth

[pulsar zodiac]

@viral ore reinstalled them

[brittle tinsel]

We’re talking 1.111 ns difference which I’m assuming is nano second?

[muted patio]

Yes but add them up over time

Plus 4000 mhz ram is an additional 400 MT/s bandwidth

[brittle tinsel]

This is only 3600

[muted patio]

I know

It's not just ram speed though it's also CPU speed

[brittle tinsel]

I’ve heard amd has problems with anything over 3600

[storm flicker]

so i have it all connected and its still the same i mean my ram has rgb and the rgb is on but that’s it lol

[muted patio]

ALl the chiplets in AMD connect at the same speed the ram does

So if ram is slow, chiplet communication is also slowed

[pulsar zodiac]

@viral ore I reinstalled them and it went into windows right away

I know what the issue is

and I solved it

[muted patio]

This is mostly BS as of now with new AGESA code out

[viral ore]

what do you think the issue was?

[brittle tinsel]

I think I’ll just go with 10ns cl18 since I’m already $100 over budget without a stream deck

[muted patio]

Y

[pulsar zodiac]

I think it went to my 1TB NVME and looked for an OS, then to my hard drive which had nothing, then to my 250GB

[brittle tinsel]

Because I’m banking on the stimulus $1400 and I only make $50 every 2 weeks

[pulsar zodiac]

yeah and in boot it automatically shows the 250GB one

[muted patio]

Get 32 GB of ram then

[pulsar zodiac]

I did it

lets go

[muted patio]

$550 CPU with slow ram makes me sad

[brittle tinsel]

Will 32gb handle everything?

[pulsar zodiac]

thanks for helping me out sassy

[muted patio]

SHould

[viral ore]

according to the boot order, that's not what it did

[muted patio]

As long as you're not doing all those things at once LOL

[viral ore]

but doesn't matter it's working now

np

[pulsar zodiac]

yeah

you are big brain

you are omega brain

[wanton cliff]

is your PSU modular? check the connectors on the power supply

[pulsar zodiac]

gonna go now

[brittle tinsel]

You caught me

[pulsar zodiac]

👋

bye

[muted patio]

but honestly, even for what you're doing, 32 GB should be fine

[brittle tinsel]

3600 is way over double my current speeds

[muted patio]

Your current speeds are irrelevant with a new CPU

[storm flicker]

nahh it’s not modular

[muted patio]

Bandwidth is just as important as other things. Think of it like a freeway and how many lanes it has. More lanes = more bandwidth

[brittle tinsel]

Well I added the extra because I host peer to peer games for my brothers and friends so in games like 7 days to die we have found to have around 3gb ram per player and I would have around 6 including me

[muted patio]

That seems excessive

I also host games on my rig like Conan and Ark, have 32GB and don't use it all with playing on the same rig

[brittle tinsel]

I know but anytime we had less than that per player everyone got major lag spikes

[wanton cliff]

even on VR, max settings with an Index I very rarely use more than 16 gigs

[waxen storm]

Hey @muted patio I booted up and those fans haven't come on yet, not sure what to do now lol

[brittle tinsel]

Well hold on here, if all 4 of them had 4gb per player and I had 16 to play, stream, and host (32gb tots) would that work?

Total not tots

I could get 1 32gb stick and get the other later

[vital scaffold]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVjY7X
System Builder
can some one tell me if this is good

[storm flicker]

would anyone know something that could help with my situation?

[muted patio]

Get a B560 motherboard instead

SO you can use the full ram speed

[muted patio]

Without knowing your situation, there's no way to tell. Just ask your questions

[storm flicker]

i kinda said earlier it’s just the mobo won’t stay on but my ram is lit with rgb the lights the mobo only flash on for half a second and it’s just off the gpu or cpu won’t turn on either

i was bench testing

[muted patio]

Yeah, off and on

Check all power connections

Front panel connections

Ram in slots A2 and B2

CPU fan on the CPU fan header

[wanton cliff]

sorry, im back

[muted patio]

Only ONE cpu power connector, 8 Pin ONLY

not 8 and 4 pin

[storm flicker]

yea i have the ram in the right slots and all power connections hooked up

[muted patio]

All hooked up but are they CORRECT?

[little osprey]

id disconnect gpu too sometimes gpu can have short circuit

[muted patio]

DM pics if you want

[little osprey]

maybe mobo have short circuit 🤔

[storm flicker]

i just got my gpu delivered rn

i honestly feel like it’s mobo

but i’ll send pictures

[wanton cliff]

did you not have a GPU already?

wait

so this is a new build,

and

[storm flicker]

yup all brand new

[wanton cliff]

you tried turning it all on without a GPU

[muted patio]

No GPU just means a VGA light on the MB

[wanton cliff]

correct?

[storm flicker]

i tried that yesterday and the same was happening so i tried it with a gpu today and it’s still the same stuff

[muted patio]

Something isn't connected properly

Modular PSU?

What CPU and motherboard?

[wanton cliff]

already asked

its non modular

[storm flicker]

the 24 pin

[wanton cliff]

im thinking problem with 24 pin power tbh

[muted patio]

What CPU in that motherboard?

[storm flicker]

cpu is 3600

[muted patio]

Should be fine

[little osprey]

and x570 aorus xd

[muted patio]

need pics of all the power connectors

I'll bet something isn't right

[little osprey]

I think so

or mobo have short circuit in bad case

[storm flicker]

the cpu power

nd gpu

[wanton cliff]

is that MSI?

weird placement for cable

[storm flicker]

yea msi

[little osprey]

6pin

[muted patio]

What board exactly is that?

I know X570 Aorus

Pro?

Wifi?

[storm flicker]

elite

wifi

[little osprey]

nice board btw

[storm flicker]

it’s not bein nice now lol

[desert gulch]

Yeah way better than a msi x570

[muted patio]

What all do you have plugged in?

[desert gulch]

Msi x570 temps be bad

[muted patio]

unplug EVERYTHING but power

and Power Switch front panel connector

[little osprey]

yeah lol

[muted patio]

No drive, no USB, no RGB, just power and power switch

[storm flicker]

that’s all i have there no drives or nun js tryna bench test

there is*

[little osprey]

already reseated rams ?

[muted patio]

and we don't have Diagnostic LED's either

-_-

Just one ram stick in then

[storm flicker]

okie

[muted patio]

A2

[storm flicker]

keep in a2

alright

[muted patio]

Then hit power switch and wait

It might cycle a few times

It's normal

[storm flicker]

i have it on but seems only the ram is on

[muted patio]

CPU fan spinning?

[storm flicker]

no

[muted patio]

is it in CPU_OPT or CPU_FAN

[storm flicker]

nothing but ram

[wanton cliff]

Hyper 212 hours

[manic hare]

are these safe to use for 6 pin male to 6 pin male fo connect gpus?

[wanton cliff]

should be

[wanton cliff]

ugly as hell tho

[muted patio]

unplug RGB

[storm flicker]

this all that happens

[wanton cliff]

how are you turning it on? shorting pins?

[desert gulch]

Sounds like a button if you listem

[muted patio]

What power supply?

No chipset fan nor cpu fan

[little osprey]

rip

[storm flicker]

psu

[wanton cliff]

[storm flicker]

and i turn it on by flipping the switch on psu

[muted patio]

OML

[little osprey]

[languid nimbus]

arent aresgame bad?

[muted patio]

RETURN THAT PSU

[languid nimbus]

like, notably bad

[storm flicker]

rip

[muted patio]

DO NOT USE

[wanton cliff]

RETURN IT NOW

[desert gulch]

Yikes

[wanton cliff]

PLEASE

[desert gulch]

What tier is that?

D tier?

[muted patio]

Geez, that explains it

[wanton cliff]

FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR SYSTEM

[little osprey]

[wanton cliff]

if there was f, it would be there

[muted patio]

Found the problem

[storm flicker]

understandable LOL

[wanton cliff]

XD

[desert gulch]

Damn that's horroble

[little osprey]

lol

[muted patio]

Seriously, those are absolutely horrible lol

We can recommend something better for sure

[desert gulch]

Surprised it even has a 80+ rating lol

[little osprey]

lmao

[storm flicker]

what’s a good recommendation?

[muted patio]

I mean, Segotep for $50 is the lowest I'll go

Segotep 650W

[fast dust]

is there a review out for em yet?

[wanton cliff]

just go all out and get an AMP 750w tbh

[muted patio]

yeah, they're all bad lol

[wanton cliff]

on jah tho

[fast dust]

can i get a link

[muted patio]

What GPU?

[wanton cliff]

who recommended that PSU, @storm flicker

not someone from here I hope

[little osprey]

gpu had only 6 pin so 650w more than enough

[wanton cliff]

I wouldnt be surprised if it was the NZXT server tbh

you think NZXT is going to start selling PSUs?

[muted patio]

3060 or 3060TI?

[little osprey]

it was gtx

[muted patio]

They already do and most of them are good

[wanton cliff]

do they?

lemme check rq

[desert gulch]

Are they in prebuilts and stuff.

?

Since they make their own prebuilts

[wanton cliff]

what tier are they

[muted patio]

Tier C and A

Depending

[wanton cliff]

NP-C750M?

on sale rn

[desert gulch]

A tier pretty pog

[wanton cliff]

same price as an AMP 750w

[desert gulch]

I'd rather buy amp tbh

[wanton cliff]

same

[desert gulch]

More known

[wanton cliff]

looks better

[fast dust]

vintageeeeeeeeee

[desert gulch]

More common

Yammmmmmmmmmmmy

[wanton cliff]

better cable sleeves, probably

[fast dust]

pwease link me to the review

[wanton cliff]

ill do it

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aresgame+psu+review

no known youtubers afaict

lemme see le interwebs

[fast dust]

yeah, none of those tear it apart and look inside

[desert gulch]

I would love to see gn do a in depth review on it

[fast dust]

I would love to see literally anyone just open it

[desert gulch]

It'll blow up and open itself prolly

[muted patio]

I found it once, I'll look again later

but they LITERALLY buy postive reviews on Amazon

Leave a good review, they send you a mouse pad

Garbage

[desert gulch]

Bruhhh

I hate those companies

[muted patio]

Only 1 PCI-E power cable on a 650W psu like wat

[wanton cliff]

coughs in gigabyte removing negative reviews from their storefronts

[muted patio]

I'm not digging for it again, they're garbage

[severe axle]

techsource made a build where they used an aresgame psu

[little osprey]

How to get a bomb 101

Step 1

[desert gulch]

Yeah that's techsource

[little osprey]

Open Gigabyte P-GM

[fossil halo]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-shocked-terkejut-kaget-suprised-gif-12174657

[little osprey]

Step 2: Pray you don't die

Step 3: Be sad

[desert gulch]

It's like trusting the verge on how to make a pc

[fossil halo]

nah

step 1: get gigabyte pg m
step 2: go to furry convention...

[wanton cliff]

funny thing is

[muted patio]

https://www.amazon.com/Segotep-Gaming-Supply-Certified-Non-Modular/dp/B0832KN3RV/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=segotep+650&qid=1614628034&s=electronics&sr=1-5

better

[wanton cliff]

Reddit recommended the community r/furry to me yesterday lol

lemme grab the sreenshot

[fossil halo]

oh no

[small osprey]

say what now

[desert gulch]

Vintage did you ever watch the verge pc build video?

[small osprey]

stuff fluff

[muted patio]

I don't watch trash nor pay attention to trash websites

[desert gulch]

Bruh you'll love it

They did like everything wrong

[wanton cliff]

stuff your fluff in me UwU

[small osprey]

say WHAT now

[fossil halo]

oh no oh nononononononono

[desert gulch]

Ight vintage dm the link to you lol

[fossil halo]

LMFAO

[desert gulch]

They had to take the vid down cause they got so embarrassed lol

Pay attention tho as they sometimes realize they screw up then cut to a scene where it s fixed

[wanton cliff]

bitwit reaction vid best

[desert gulch]

Lol ye

[wanton cliff]

"I may not know lot about PC, but kyle teach me many thing!"

[desert gulch]

Sara I dare you to screw m.2 directly to mobo

No need for spacer

[wanton cliff]

[small osprey]

uhhh

[desert gulch]

Just bend that thing backwards lol

[small osprey]

what

why

[desert gulch]

Lol the verge did

[wanton cliff]

I taped it down once when I was missing an M.2 screw lol

[desert gulch]

They also didn't run in dual channel

[small osprey]

the verge is weird

[desert gulch]

Even tho they had 2 ram sticks

[wanton cliff]

Stefan Entienne is weird

[small osprey]

sara is weird

[wanton cliff]

and then when we called him out he poor shamed us

[desert gulch]

Lol

[wanton cliff]

[little osprey]

flac pog

but song is eww lol

[wanton cliff]

you are ew

[storm flicker]

alright well i was able to get a return label for the psu

demon time

think all i need is a new psu?

[muted patio]

I would think so

[little osprey]

that psu would be changed anyway lol

[storm flicker]

idk if i can send links but this is how i heard of this god forsaken psu lol

https://youtu.be/ys5uxS-rvyY

[muted patio]

Yeah, they literally buy advertising

They pay people to say it's good

-_-

"leave a good review on Amazon and we'll send you a FREE mousepad!"

[languid nimbus]

[storm flicker]

yo might have to keep this psu after all then RGB MAN

fin drop bih off at ups before i go to work

[muted patio]

Corsair CX/Segotep is a good choice

[storm flicker]

thank you

[muted patio]

YW

[brittle tinsel]

last time I bother with ram questions.
Question 1. Will 1 stick of ram allow the pc to boot and be able to play games and stream (simultaneously) before I can afford the second stick
Question 2. How much does 4 sticks of ram slow down compared to 2?

[muted patio]

1. Single Channel mode is a 30-40% performance hit.
2. Doesn't slow down, just easier on the memory controller and better speeds are typically cheaper.

[brittle tinsel]

only asking because I have heard 4 sticks is slower compared to 2

[muted patio]

That was only a thing on B450 motherboards

[haughty furnace]

.....

[brittle tinsel]

awesome, so down the road if I add 2 sticks to = 4 total sticks it wont bother it, unless size and speeds dont match right>?

[haughty furnace]

(Me have a motherboard b450)

[wanton cliff]

didnt we tell you to get a b550?

I coulda sworn me and Fal'Cie told you to get a B550

[haughty furnace]

No you didn’t....Maybe? ( I have impaired memory problems)

[brittle tinsel]

dont we all..... dont we all

wait what? there wasnt 32gb sticks 3 years ago?

[muted patio]

You did, read all the posts lol

B450 slowed the ram down the more sticks you put in

[brittle tinsel]

thats a big oof

[desert gulch]

Yikes

[muted patio]

It also had to do with the older Ryzen CPU's memory controller

They didn't like a lot of sticks

They still do better with two Dual Rank sticks instead of 4 single rank ones

[brittle tinsel]

why tf is 2 x 16gb ram almost the same price as 2 x 32gb sticks?

[muted patio]

SPeed and timings?

[brittle tinsel]

3600, cl 16, 8.889 ns. was only $10 more than 10ns cl 18

but still I thought it would atleast be half the price of 2 x 32

any of these good companies/ram

[little osprey]

lol

[brittle tinsel]

is crucial any good?

better timings

[muted patio]

Ballistix is some of the best you can get

[brittle tinsel]

that matches the g.skill I added but for like $30 cheaper

[frozen tree]

i have a question about my power i have a asrock steel legend b550m and its in a case that has a 2060 super gaming x and a ryzen 5 3600 now what my concern is my motherboard only has 5 fan ports i have 4 corsair ll120 fans and 2 ll140 fans and i am using a fan splitter so i just got the corsair A500 cpu cooler but that needs to power two fans so do i have enough power to supply the 4 ll120 fans and the 2 ll140 fans and the 2 new ml120 fans i dont want to stress my mother board or not have enough power since one of my fan ports has a fan splitter already is it safe to add another fan splitter to accommodate for the a500 cooler ?

[muted patio]

Splitter is fine. Motherboard headers can handle 2-4 fans depending on the fan

[frozen tree]

ok and im not like drawing over power right ? i have a CORSAIR RMx Series RM850x CP-9020180-NA 850W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply

[gusty abyss]

Fans pull very very little power

You are not going to overload your power supply with case fans

[frozen tree]

ok thank yall very much i just wanted to make sure because its my first build

[muted patio]

You'll be fine

3 fans per header is a good rule of thumb

[brittle tinsel]

how do you do that if its only one plug per header

[muted patio]

SPlitter cable

[brittle tinsel]

what would I look up, pc fan splitter?

[little osprey]

IT would take like 20 noctuas to overload a header

[gusty abyss]

if you want to REALLY know, you can check your motherboard manual for how many amps each fan header supports, then count them up from your fans

[muted patio]

https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Computer-Extension-Converter-TeamProfitcom/dp/B07F8LV1BY/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=fan+splitter&qid=1614632084&sr=8-4

[brittle tinsel]

I would assume daisy chain works but I dont know if these fans have daisy chain capabilitys

[muted patio]

Daisy chain is the same thing

[brittle tinsel]

ok, do you know if these have daisy chain? google says PST means daisy chain but I dont know about that
P14 PST CO

arctic fans

[small osprey]

yea that means there’s an attachment for you to daisy chain on

[brittle tinsel]

sweet, thanks!

[frozen tree]

my manual doesnt say 😦 or at least i can find where it says for the life of me

[wicked frigate]

Hey guys is 9n good for ram frost word latency

[viral ore]

just tell us the speed and cas latency

and what platform

fwl will follow suit

[wicked frigate]

Is it better than this just tell me that

3600 cl16 32 gig vs 4000 cl17 32 gig

Which one is better

[viral ore]

for what cpu

is this 4x8 or 2x16

[wicked frigate]

5900x or 5950

2x-6

16

Or just tell me better rams than 3600cl16

@viral ore

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8j3mP6/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-f4-3600c14d-32gtzr

if you don't care about money

👀

[wicked frigate]

What about this one

[earnest olive]

you could have sent that as a link

or a screenshot

[wanton cliff]

What are timings

[earnest olive]

or even an upright photo

but it had to be a sideways photo

[wanton cliff]

[wicked frigate]

Ummm

One sec

It’s 19.5 sn

ns

Is that helps

One sec

17-18-18-38

Timing

[earnest olive]

the one i linked is better and not that much more expensive

$310 vs $330

[wicked frigate]

Yah

[earnest olive]

3600 14-15-15-35 > 4000 17-18-18-38

[wanton cliff]

Barely

But yeah

[earnest olive]

and you're more likely to be able to run the 3600 at xmp

not all zen 3 chips can do 2000 fclk

[wanton cliff]

I’d try and fine a 3800mhz kit myself

[little osprey]

This

Lower CL>High Frequency

[wicked frigate]

That’s 18.33 ns

So should I get his

[wanton cliff]

1900mhz FCLK is easier to run or the same to run compared to 2000mhz FCLK?

[wicked frigate]

But should I have higher speed

And lower latency

[little osprey]

and zen2

[earnest olive]

1800 fclk is almost guaranteed

[little osprey]

^

[earnest olive]

anything higher is silicon lottery

[little osprey]

Haven't seen much zen 2 chips actually hit 2000FCLK

[earnest olive]

he is talking about zen 3

so more likely

[little osprey]

Oh.

[earnest olive]

but still not guaranteed

[wicked frigate]

So should I get this

[wanton cliff]

ID, your PFP is cursed

[wicked frigate]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8j3mP6/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-f4-3600c14d-32gtzr

This

[earnest olive]

yeah

[wicked frigate]

Any other options or no

[earnest olive]

only if you don't care about money though

cause like

[wicked frigate]

Because I want higher speeds of possible

[earnest olive]

it's not going to be THAT much better than a cheaper 3600C16

[wicked frigate]

If

[little osprey]

YES

[worn wave]

$330 jesus christ

[wicked frigate]

???

[earnest olive]

your cpu may not be capable of running higher speeds

[little osprey]

I need to ask forks

[wicked frigate]

Oh

[worn wave]

The small difference is not even worth that much money

[little osprey]

if I need to up SOC voltage

so i can tighten timings

[wicked frigate]

It’s 5900 or 5950

[earnest olive]

and anyone asking which ram to buy is probably not about to start manually overclocking ram

so i'd stick to the 3600C14

[little osprey]

Manually overclocking ram is exhausting

[earnest olive]

really depends on perspective

[wicked frigate]

That’s my cpu one or the other

[earnest olive]

i would balk at spending $330 on ram

but to some people $330 is lunch

[wicked frigate]

My cousin want to trade

I have 3600cl16

I am not paying

[little osprey]

Depends, 330 ram, 16gb BDIE would make quite a difference on blender.

but games would be minimal

[wicked frigate]

That’s why I need help

[signal jackal]

is she hot?

[little osprey]

[earnest olive]

..what

[wicked frigate]

Bruh

[earnest olive]

LOL

[little osprey]

lmao

[signal jackal]

just a ?

[wicked frigate]

Yah

[earnest olive]

did they even mention a gender..

[wicked frigate]

Why

[signal jackal]

ok

[small osprey]

say what now

[wicked frigate]

My other one is

[little osprey]

3733C18>3200C16

[wicked frigate]

But why

[still roost]

ryoniverde#8822 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

3600c16>3733cl18

[wicked frigate]

Let me see something

[small osprey]

uh

[wicked frigate]

What timing. Should I get I can filter from that

[earnest olive]

did you expect this to be a dating server

[wicked frigate]

?????

[signal jackal]

who had some cool pics of their build? preferably custom watercooled

[little osprey]

even 3600c16 is enough

Unless you really want to spend like 20 hours manually ocing

[earnest olive]

just buy the one i linked if you want maximum out of the box performance

[little osprey]

If you really want to waste money just buy bdie.

[earnest olive]

it won't get any better than that

[signal jackal]

yah 3600 is a good speed

[little osprey]

16gb of BDIE is 300?

iirc

[earnest olive]

lol

not even close

[signal jackal]

just get gskill trident z neo or rgb and you’re salad

[earnest olive]

this 32gb really high bin is 330

[muted patio]

Some of that is garbage

[little osprey]

i saw one for 300

[muted patio]

Like 3600 C19 posted in build pics

[wicked frigate]

Ok I guess I’ll get this

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8j3mP6/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-f4-3600c14d-32gtzr

[earnest olive]

3600 14-15-15-35 on 32gb is insane

[signal jackal]

like what

[little osprey]

Lol

[earnest olive]

i bet that's c18

corsair 🗑️

[signal jackal]

yeah not a huge corsair memory fan myself

[little osprey]

not all of it

[wicked frigate]

Bro when is g skill royal coming out with more Carrie YS

Variants

[gusty abyss]

c18's fine if you're going that high total

[little osprey]

Specific model/serial numbers have c14 even

But mixed Dies.

[signal jackal]

what are carrie variants?

[muted patio]

3200 C14 might be B-Die

[earnest olive]

that's the main problem with corsair

[muted patio]

Probably is

[earnest olive]

hard to know what die you're gonna get

[little osprey]

Corsair always mixed dies lul

LPX is mixed

Dominator

[earnest olive]

hynix djr and micron e-die can also do 3200c14

[gusty abyss]

true

[little osprey]

I bought LPX as a fool

[signal jackal]

yeah corsair dies are dusty

[little osprey]

and can't even upgrade kek

[wicked frigate]

I wanna try to get g skill royal

[gusty abyss]

but I mean it should at least do its advertised docp

[little osprey]

cause i might get the wrong die.

[signal jackal]

gold or silver?

[little osprey]

and then BSOD's

[wicked frigate]

Silver

[signal jackal]

nice

[little osprey]

Bruh

They've been chainsawing for 4 hours now

[wicked frigate]

But they don’t have more barriers

Variants

[signal jackal]

chicks love royals

[earnest olive]

my hynix djr can do 3200 14-17-27-28

[signal jackal]

wth is hynix

[earnest olive]

a memory die manufacturer

something like 14-14-14-34 is usually b-die

[little osprey]

My Hynix M Die has hit 3733cl18 so far.

Been trying to hit farther.

Might need to tighten TRCD.

[wanton cliff]

A company

[signal jackal]

whats the best guide for beginners to overclock their memory?

[little osprey]

but doubt i can get past the FCLK

[muted patio]

#overclocking pins

[wanton cliff]

Trial and Error

[little osprey]

Pins and praying you don't break something

basically

[signal jackal]

nah

[little osprey]

don't put random numbers.

[wicked frigate]

Like look at these

Have no price

😦

[little osprey]

[signal jackal]

i want to find someone that has tuned trident z neo on x570 mobo aorus master with a 5600x

[little osprey]

"3800"

Probably mixed dies

[wanton cliff]

My R5 3600 was actually able to bring a kit of CL18 3600mhz TridentZ RAM up to 4000mhz without any issues

[wicked frigate]

????

[muted patio]

Given that ram can have any number of chips, you need Thaiphoon burner then the guide in #overclocking

[wicked frigate]

Ok thx guys

[earnest olive]

just use ryzen dram calculator as a starting point tbh

[signal jackal]

thanks for the info

[little osprey]

well i sent back an email to ASUS going on about how they aren't even pointing me to a correct issue.

[muted patio]

If it's Royals with these timings, don't expect much out of it.

[earnest olive]

3600c19

yikes

[muted patio]

Yup

[earnest olive]

wait

is that 19-30-30-40

[muted patio]

Yup

[little osprey]

C19

[earnest olive]

oh no it's 19-20-20-40

phew

[little osprey]

Oh god

[wicked frigate]

Guys what a really good timing

[earnest olive]

if it was 19-30-30-40 i was going to go puke

[little osprey]

Didn't we already say?

[muted patio]

Well still

high dollar for that ram?

No thanks

[earnest olive]

it's still awful

but at least it's not 19-30-30-40 lol

[wicked frigate]

Wait can I bit from g skill website

Buy

[little osprey]

smh should of bought a zotac

[earnest olive]

zotac mobo O_O

[signal jackal]

what do you guys think of my first loop so far. i want to change out the flowmeter above the bottom radiator and one fitting is silver instead of black.. otherwise it’s finished.

[wanton cliff]

A picture of the inside of a Seasonic Focus Gold 650w Power Supply, copyright Sara B, 2021

[wanton cliff]

#build-pics

[muted patio]

Ah, it is 20-20-40

[signal jackal]

sorry

[little osprey]

POG

CL7

[wanton cliff]

Heh

[little osprey]

how do i tune it down?

[wanton cliff]

Wonder how high CL is going to be on DDR5

[earnest olive]

shoutout to the chad 3200 9-9-9-24 DDR3

[wicked frigate]

Found royal with 14-15-15-35

If that’s good

[earnest olive]

but what speed

[wicked frigate]

3600cl14

So t know where to buy

[wanton cliff]

Fast

[earnest olive]

how much is it

[wanton cliff]

What size tho

[wicked frigate]

Idk

[little osprey]

Fastest ram

"Fastest"

Keyword

[wicked frigate]

Which one

[wanton cliff]

Wtf is that list

[vagrant olive]

why is patriot viper most of the list omg lmao

[muted patio]

because it's fast

[earnest olive]

sponsored probably

[little osprey]

im a fool

[earnest olive]

👀

[muted patio]

DDR4 4400 C19

[little osprey]

18-42-42

[earnest olive]

what

those timings can go that high?

[little osprey]

18-22-22-42*

[earnest olive]

oh

[little osprey]

Fml, should of bought ballistix lul

[muted patio]

The rest of that list is 3200C16

3600 C18

:/

bad guide

2666 C16

[earnest olive]

rip hwbot is down

i wanted to see the timings on the 6667C31 ram

[little osprey]

Bruh

[wicked frigate]

Wait anyone know hey guys I am at g skill website

How do i but then

Them

[little osprey]

Is there no way to get factory schematics

[muted patio]

No

Proprietary

[little osprey]

For motherboards?

[muted patio]

What would you do with them anyway?

[little osprey]

my board, curious if that part actually does what it says

The "Resistor"

[muted patio]

It doesn't

It's connected to a MOSFET for the fan circuit

[wicked frigate]

Found these but don’t know how to buy anyone has a clue please tell me

[little osprey]

Because been debating maybe like other people said, take it up with GN

But i'd need evidence.

[muted patio]

Literally that PWM IC I pointed out connects to that

It has NOTHING to do with PCI-E

[wicked frigate]

Please someone help

[little osprey]

So, would it be a bad idea to take it up?

[muted patio]

You can see the traces in my pic

[little osprey]

Email GN

Or is it not worth their time.

[wicked frigate]

Ok cy

[muted patio]

Not worth his time

[wicked frigate]

Cy

[earnest olive]

i don't think g.skill actually sells direct from their website

[stoic island]

@wicked frigate if you really really want some,
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374084

[wicked frigate]

Ok thx

[winged lion]

https://newegg.io/e2a64dd Thoughts? Ignore cpu coolrer

[worn wave]

Get a Phanteks AMP or a Revolution D.F. for the PSU

Do you really need the Z53, Arctic Liquid Freezer II would be better for the price

[muted patio]

Why?

That MSI is TIer A

[worn wave]

kinda pricey

[winged lion]

I just chose it because lcd screen

[muted patio]

Little bit yeah

Enermax is $10 cheaper

[winged lion]

That’s whyI said ignore it

[muted patio]

People paying $150 for an LCD screen

Like, just DIY for $20

[winged lion]

Indeed

[earnest olive]

i paid $70 to add a 7 inch monitor into my pc

[winged lion]

True

[earnest olive]

seems like better value than a small screen on your cooler that you have to go through proprietary software to control

[winged lion]

I would be custom water cooling this

[sage crown]

just want to make sure this is a good pc build for gaming right https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GreedyOtter/saved/8N3mD3

[earnest olive]

why would you ever put a 5600X under custom water

[worn wave]

Why would you custom loop a Ryzen 5

[sage crown]

cause cool

[worn wave]

massive waste of money

[sage crown]

why not man

[worn wave]

for the price of a custom loop you could buy a Ryzen 7 5800X

[earnest olive]

@sage crown the 10850K is basically the same cpu but can be found for $330-350 sometimes

[sage crown]

alright mate

[robust vigil]

Lies New Gpu stock somewhere

[earnest olive]

it's 100mhz slower at stock but overclocks just as well in most cases

[sage crown]

i will keep that in mind tmr cause i am going to microcenter

[earnest olive]

plenty of people getting 5-5.2ghz on their 10850K

[winged lion]

But I want the DIY experience

[earnest olive]

5600X + 3070 + custom loop

[worn wave]

Waste hundreds of dollars, I dont care

[earnest olive]

might as well get a water cooled 3080 and a 5800X

lol

[wanton cliff]

I got a 3070, it isn’t impossible

[sage crown]

anyone know where i can find a RTX 3080 gigabyte vision OC cause i need it

not out of stock

[worn wave]

They out of stock everywhere RN

[muted patio]

Not gonna happen

[sage crown]

damn

[muted patio]

Newegg Shuffle or Best Buy drop next week

[worn wave]

Just wait and use a stock tracking discord or something

[winged lion]

“Hundreds of money”

[sage crown]

is intel and AMD just the same for gaming wise ?

[worn wave]

For the most part

You are not going to feel or see a huge difference in reality

[sage crown]

ok then

[worn wave]

It's generally game/application specific

[winged lion]

But isn’t the 5000 series better than like all of intel’s stuff?

[worn wave]

Depends on the CPU

[winged lion]

In single core processing

[worn wave]

Depends on the game/application

[sage crown]

well what i know is that AMD is just really good if you do videos and all but im not going to do that any time soon so ya

[earnest olive]

there are no bad products only bad prices

[worn wave]

Like I said it really depends on the application

[winged lion]

^^^

[earnest olive]

10850K might be a bit weaker than AMD's offerings but you don't need to fight to buy one and it's very competent and good value for $330-350

[worn wave]

People really need to stop worrying about AMD vs Intel in general

Buy a CPU depending on the games you play and which applications you use

[winged lion]

The brand doesn’t matter; the only thing that matters is the processor itself

[worn wave]

Brand does matter for certain applications though

[winged lion]

Because of proprietary technologies

[worn wave]

No

[little osprey]

[earnest olive]

ryzen 7 5800x and i9-10850K end up being similar costs once you factor in the whole platform

5800X slightly better in single core, 10850K slightly better in multicore

[little osprey]

i9-9900k vs 3700x, doesn't matter as long as it works smh

[worn wave]

For example with Solidworks any Intel CPU will be better than the AMD Equivalent because of the higher Single cores

[earnest olive]

the 9900K would be a lot better than the 3700x in heavily cpu-bound gaming

umm

[little osprey]

I mean

[earnest olive]

amd has had higher single core since ryzen 3000 lol

[little osprey]

it works, it works

smh

Be glad you don't have a cryix

cyrix*

75MHZ Bus

100MHZ clock

[earnest olive]

if i was using a cyrix cpu

i think the age would be a bigger problem than the brand

[little osprey]

You'd want to die

[earnest olive]

wasn't their last cpu the 6x86 in 1996

lol