building-and-recc-chat

[wanton cliff]

Noted, thanks

[fossil halo]

they dont have pins

[earnest olive]

about twice as good as 1650 ti

[fossil halo]

then how do u put it

how do u put it in the motherboard

[earnest olive]

and like 2.4x as good as a 1650 ti max q

[little osprey]

pins at mb 😂

[fossil halo]

really?

[little osprey]

yes

[fossil halo]

wow

[little osprey]

cpu is secure

[wanton cliff]

Max Q cards are funky

[little osprey]

u cant kill intel cpu easily. 😂

[fossil halo]

makes sense

[wanton cliff]

The one thing Intel has over AMD imo

[little osprey]

i dont think so

[wanton cliff]

Hopefully AM5 is as long lived as AM4 was

[little osprey]

intel have better lifespan tho 😂

my dad still using i5 2400 😂

[wanton cliff]

AMD had much better upgrade room

[wanton cliff]

For what exactly?

Banking?

[fossil halo]

LOL

[wanton cliff]

Writing emails?

[fossil halo]

my dad still has a pentium

it probably still works

[little osprey]

lol basic things ofc but its cpu still working 😂

[wanton cliff]

My dad had a Athlon II

[fossil halo]

itll take like about 4 seconds to do like 4*5 but thats aright

[wanton cliff]

That thing lasted forever

[fossil halo]

lmao athlon

[little osprey]

😂

[wanton cliff]

Could still run Windows 10 just fine

[left glacier]

finding used gtx 1080s in canada is sad :<

[little osprey]

intel forever

[wanton cliff]

AMD or nothing

[little osprey]

[fossil halo]

haha

look at this noob

[left glacier]

tbh AMD :p

[fossil halo]

thinking intel better

😂

[left glacier]

oof

[little osprey]

couse im cringe about amd lol

[fossil halo]

amd is where its at

intel is a$$

[left glacier]

it shows xD @little osprey

[little osprey]

had ao many trouble with amd so xd

[fossil halo]

intel is like the east coast

east*

[little osprey]

actually my 2nd pc is amd xd 3600

[fossil halo]

that was a clown moment

[little osprey]

it permorms like 9600k

[wanton cliff]

Not only can you be banned for bypassing the profanity filter, but the word ass isn’t banned lol

[left glacier]

would a 650 w psu power a gtx 1080? 😮

[wanton cliff]

Yes

Easily

[little osprey]

i think so

[left glacier]

kk

[fossil halo]

LMAO

[wanton cliff]

Ooh Clarity

[fossil halo]

haha ass

booty

[wanton cliff]

By Zedd, right?

[fossil halo]

damn

clarity is like the one song

[wanton cliff]

Theo gonna ban you

[fossil halo]

that always plays at the mall

sorry theo

[left glacier]

https://secure.newegg.ca/wishlist/pd/35512309

[fossil halo]

i would like to make it up for you

[wanton cliff]

Did you delete that or did a mod lol

[fossil halo]

i think that was me

:monkas

[little osprey]

better

[fossil halo]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sweat-monkas-monka-eyes-gif-10994127

[wanton cliff]

Oof

MS30

At least go MP34 or SN750

[fossil halo]

wait

btw

why would people use the newegg pc builder tool

[left glacier]

how did you guys know i was listening to the song Clarity!?

[fossil halo]

spotify probably connected

[wanton cliff]

Because it shows on Discord

Lol

[fossil halo]

yea

[wanton cliff]

Here

Click on my profile

[left glacier]

XDD OH omg -_-

[wanton cliff]

Oh wait does it show for me if I’m on mobile?

I can’t see

[fossil halo]

yea

LOL

[wanton cliff]

Someone screenshot

[fossil halo]

it does

aight

[left glacier]

thats funny

[wanton cliff]

Does it show that I’m playing something on Spotify?

[fossil halo]

nope

KEKW

[wanton cliff]

Dang mobile discord

[fossil halo]

spotify on mobile is literally dogwater

[left glacier]

bet

[wanton cliff]

Anyways I’m listening to Legends Never Die

[fossil halo]

ooh

that song is good

[wanton cliff]

Oh wait

[fossil halo]

wait the alan walker remix

[wanton cliff]

Song is over

[fossil halo]

or the normal one

the normal one kinda bruh

alan walker remix is heat

[wanton cliff]

Alan Walker did a remix?

[left glacier]

skillet This is the kingdom

[fossil halo]

ofc he did a remix

[wanton cliff]

I’m listening to Bone Theme now

Every go listen to that now

[fossil halo]

https://open.spotify.com/track/66YtIqT0kN4958EXnCnAmE?si=YIgXfsrBT32KhhGEDoLoyg

aight ill listen

[fossil halo]

by michael something

[wanton cliff]

Yes

Can’t play the remix for some reason

[fossil halo]

sounds like poopy spotify mobile

i was about to type another word instead of poopy

but then i realized

[wanton cliff]

Spotify mobile is a very well made app

Idk what you are high on

[fossil halo]

well

if u pay

[wanton cliff]

I do

[fossil halo]

i use a chinese knockoff probably malware version

[wanton cliff]

I have premium

[fossil halo]

of spotify

[wanton cliff]

Well that explains it

[fossil halo]

called esound

[wanton cliff]

Idiot

[fossil halo]

i mean

it works

probably sending my data to xi jinping

[wanton cliff]

probably

He says this as if there is any doubt

Anyways

Imma go watch attack on Titan

See y’all later

[fossil halo]

oh yea

i heard a new ep came out today

[little osprey]

discord not even support apple music 😂

[fossil halo]

wow

apple music is

well i dont even have an iphone 😂

[little osprey]

same lol

[fossil halo]

im good with my malware music app

[little osprey]

i just using apple music lol no iphone 😂

its on every platform

[fossil halo]

oh yea it is lmaoo

[little osprey]

spotify is eww

[fossil halo]

its fine on pc

on mobile unless u have premium its kinda bad

[little osprey]

amazon music is ehh

[fossil halo]

yea

[wanton cliff]

Has, like, 2 songs

Across the whole platform

[little osprey]

😂

[left glacier]

when your a canadian and looking for a gtx 1080 used and prices are between 1000-500$

[wanton cliff]

Why are you looking for a 1080 in the first place

[little osprey]

3060 is about same if u can find any xd

[wanton cliff]

Also Tik Tok is an alright song

Not my favorite

[wanton cliff]

Much better than same

[little osprey]

i meant same price

[left glacier]

bra y u looking at my song list lol

[wanton cliff]

Just curious

[left glacier]

XD

[little osprey]

lol

[brittle raptor]

Hi guys, I have a pc parts list ready. Can someone check it out pls?

[wanton cliff]

Yes

[brittle raptor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GkyhBc

[little osprey]

looks nice

[left glacier]

im just looking for a 1k budget build graphics xD

[little osprey]

not sure about cooler

[wanton cliff]

I wouldn’t change anything tbh

[wanton cliff]

Should be fine, but I would go with a Scythe Mugen instead

[vagrant olive]

thats pretty good, but you could get the ram for cheaper

arent the 2x8 kits of the same ram like 80 dollars

[wanton cliff]

That’s 32gb lol

[brittle raptor]

yea

[wanton cliff]

Dummy

[vagrant olive]

ik

you could just get 2 of those

20 bucks cheaper

[little osprey]

yep

[wanton cliff]

True

[brittle raptor]

thats what I found on the website

[wanton cliff]

Plus quad channel works better on Zen3

[brittle raptor]

I'll check the other cooler

that u mentioned

[wanton cliff]

Although there might not be enough cooler-RAM clearance

I would go 2x16

[brittle raptor]

any other cooler or even aio

that would help

[wanton cliff]

Nah your cooler is a good one

Get an AIO if you want but those are twice as much for a decent one

[little osprey]

honestly id get aio xd

[gusty abyss]

isn't the 5600X only like a 95W chip

or am I thinking a generation behind

[wanton cliff]

I don’t remember

750w should be fine tho

Better than 650

[gusty abyss]

yeah I just mean it definitely doesn't demand an aio lol

[brittle raptor]

thats what I thought

[little osprey]

i100 is cool

[wanton cliff]

Plus it’s a Seasonic Focus Gold PSU, those things are awesome

[brittle raptor]

lots of researching 🙂

[wanton cliff]

AIO so that a 4x8 gigabyte kit clears well

[gusty abyss]

ohhhhh right

me dumb

[brittle raptor]

nah you too smart

So, if I'm replacing it for an aio, what should i get?

[wanton cliff]

Any 240mm EK AIO

[little osprey]

corsair i100

[brittle raptor]

and by EK you mean ...?

[gusty abyss]

to keep it cheap I'd get cooler master

[little osprey]

its pretty enough

[wanton cliff]

EK is a company

[brittle raptor]

Is building the system gonna be too hard?

[wanton cliff]

A bad AIO does worse than a air cooler

[little osprey]

coolermaster ml240 is cool too

[wanton cliff]

Nah

[brittle raptor]

true

i meant that i agree with sara

[gusty abyss]

there's hardly such thing as a bad aio when everyone uses the same rads and one of two pump designs

[little osprey]

i dont think theres any bad aio around 😂

[gusty abyss]

we don't have to worry about enermax slime

[wanton cliff]

I mean

120mm

[little osprey]

oh ofc

[gusty abyss]

lolol

[turbid comet]

Hey guys, I need help... so I’m putting together a new pc and when I applied my new parts and did a bios update. I started booted up my pc and got a cpu fan error in the bios. I disabled fan monitoring and the problem went away but I’m afraid that 55-68 degrees Celsius is too high for just google chrome open. I’m not sure why my temps are too high. I am currently reapplying my thermal paste because maybe it was applied incorrectly. I am a noob at pc buildings so please go easy on me 😦 here is my parts list for reference. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2rBxHz

[little osprey]

i mean ml240 is about 60 70$ but still does good job

[brittle raptor]

I'll look into it.

Thanks everyone

[little osprey]

anytime 😇

[left glacier]

how this https://secure.newegg.ca/wishlist/pd/35512309

[wanton cliff]

“I’m a newb at building PCs”

gets literally the best build you can buy right now

The problem is that that is a 5950x, I think. 16 cores run hot.

[gusty abyss]

feels like half of the aio costs goes into the rgb on the block sometimes

[little osprey]

especially on corsair xd

[gusty abyss]

*stares nervously at my elite capellix*

[wanton cliff]

And then you look at Krakens, with no RGB but are easily $200+

[gusty abyss]

I got nothing on that one

[little osprey]

wait its ddr3 ram 😂

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

That’s gonna be a no

[left glacier]

-_- im trying

xP

[little osprey]

@left glacier definitely ddr4 ram

[wanton cliff]

I don’t think Ryzen even supports DDR3

@left glacier use PCPartPicker.com to make your list

[little osprey]

intel since 4th gen ig xd

[left glacier]

k

[muted patio]

I mean....might wanna plug the cpu fan into the cpu fan header

So it speeds up when it gets warm

[little osprey]

sometimes fans having issue too

[wanton cliff]

Who are you referring to

Vintage

[muted patio]

@turbid comet

[wanton cliff]

How do you know that she has CPU fan plugged into Chassis header?

[left glacier]

ill be back!

[muted patio]

Read post

[wanton cliff]

Oh

I see

Yeah

Didn’t notice that before

[muted patio]

Mmhmmm

[wanton cliff]

I don’t do well with walls of text XD

[turbid comet]

Hmm

Let me take a picture

For u guys

[wanton cliff]

The cooler is doing well for only being plugged into Chassis fan header

[turbid comet]

I apologize if the photos aren’t clear

[wanton cliff]

Ok

Put the cooler back on

Screw it in

Etc

The problem was that your CPU fan was plugged into the wrong header

The system was reading it as a case fan, not a CPU fan

[turbid comet]

Which part is it supposed to be?

[wanton cliff]

What do you mean?

[turbid comet]

Like I’m is it the wire going into the lcd display of the kraken z53?

[wanton cliff]

Probably

[turbid comet]

Mmm I’ll look into it rn

[wanton cliff]

How many wires are coming off of your AIO?

[turbid comet]

2

Let me take picture

[muted patio]

Aio pump should be 100% all the time

[left glacier]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Lizziymoo/saved/#view=kyMvjX

did i do good XD

[little osprey]

What do I do if my pc is stuck on the setup is starting screen

[tough kettle]

ping reeeeeee

[turbid comet]

Seems like my aio is plugged into the cpu fan header I think?

[little osprey]

What do I do if my pc is stuck on the setup is starting screen

It’s just stuck and it won’t load

[gusty abyss]

that's the pump header I think

[little osprey]

Help

[desert gulch]

Uhh @left glacier few things

That m.2 isn't the best for the price

Go with mp34, sn750, or 970 if you can

[tepid acorn]

Pray to God for help

[desert gulch]

H510 kinda trash

For airflow

And gpu is mega overpriced

Could go with 2tb hdd for a little more

If you want

[tepid acorn]

Nooooo my graphic card is sold out

[left glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/msxpNP

[pliant lake]

What is this for?

[left glacier]

pc budget build to get a better pc but for a non extream price omg spelling

[pliant lake]

Budget? and where are you buying?

[left glacier]

[quasi snow]

Why two separate SSDs?

[pliant lake]

Whats the country you are purchasing form?

And use case?

[left glacier]

one quick storage and one hard drive for long term

[quasi snow]

you have a 500 gb ssd, 1 tb ssd, and a 1 tb hdd in there

did you forget to remove one of the ssds

[left glacier]

oof kk

done

[tough kettle]

@left glacier garbage cooler and PSU

why 2 ssd's

[pliant lake]

just fixed

[left glacier]

lol

[pliant lake]

What is the budget?

[left glacier]

welp 1k but i need 1k to begin with so im a get a job first and also covering for inflation with pc parts getting more expensive. boop

[pliant lake]

Dont make your list yet, prices change too much, wait until about 1 week before you buy

[left glacier]

yee thats wat im planing

[pliant lake]

What is your use case?

[left glacier]

wym?

[pliant lake]

gaming, video editing, 3d modeling , etc

[left glacier]

gaming mainly but also digital art

[pliant lake]

I would probably change the list to fit a 3060(Ti), would you like me to revise it to something with better gaming performance?

[left glacier]

sure go ham :3

[pliant lake]

@left glacier I would recommend something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LfZNW3
The 3060 releases in late February, so if you wont have you money until then it will be a $70 cheaper option.

And if you can affford a little extra, i would get a better CPU cooler, and More/better storage

[left glacier]

ok im down :3

thx u i gtg nowbye

[pliant lake]

bye

[little osprey]

hi

[quasi snow]

I'd swap out that psu for https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sMrYcf/seasonic-core-gm-650-w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-core-gm-650

$3 more for an extra 100w

[muted patio]

And better quality

[pliant lake]

If its better, then I recommend it!

[scarlet oasis]

guys which b450 board is best for 200 dollars

[tough kettle]

b450 for 200 is really overpriced

also we need to know ur CPU

what form factor you need too

[quasi snow]

If it's for a ryzen 3000 or 5000 series you should be going for a b550 at that price point

[weary galleon]

maybe x570 @200 dollars

definitely at least b550 though

[worn crane]

Any cooler recommendations, trying to keep a silver and black aesthetic

[severe axle]

arctic freezer 2

[weary galleon]

sag

cooler depends on CPU a bit

[worn crane]

The gpu is literally just sitting there lol, trying get a better picture of the aesthetic

[weary galleon]

ohh

[pliant lake]

Galahad AIO?

[worn crane]

Cpu is a 5600x. I can give a s*** less about performance, I just want aesthetics

[worn crane]

Hmmm, not a bad idea

[weary galleon]

hyper 212 evo black has like a gunmetal grey finish, it will be darker than the gpu though

[pliant lake]

is that a 3080 or 90?

[weary galleon]

80 i believe

3090 FE is triple slot

[pliant lake]

Idea, NH-D15

[severe axle]

chromax?

[scarlet oasis]

WELL R5 5600X

AND 3060TI

AS GPU

[scarlet oasis]

WELL THANKS

ILL SEE A B550

OR X570

[tough kettle]

no need for an x570

also pls no caps :)

[scarlet oasis]

ok

my caps was on by mistake lol

[fluid cargo]

Hey guys could I show you my setup

[plush mist]

#build-pics

For sure

Nice setup man

Looks amazing

[fluid cargo]

thanks i just sent the pc specs

Ryzen 5 3600, msi1650oc , 16gb Balistic DDR4 ram 3200speed,1500gb of storage, Apevia 800wpsu, Musex case, ID cooling cpu air cooler, Tuf Gaming x570-plus WiFi

[pliant lake]

What are the monitors?

[gusty abyss]

be quiet dark rock pro 4?

or be quiet aio if you want liquid, I just like them lol

[glass harness]

that gpu sag tho

[turbid comet]

I was able to resolve the cpu fan error issue in bios! Thanks!!

[uneven mist]

bro wots with my w10 product key not showing when i wmic path softwarelicensingservice get OA3xOriginalProductKey

type that in powershell or cmd

[neat siren]

Hey,can someone give me recommendations on where to get cable sleeving tools in europe?

[foggy bough]

are those 140mm fans?

[foggy bough]

also you have lots of gpu sag bro

[mental steeple]

ice giant thermosiphon

[hollow grail]

looks like its not plugged in at all

[muted patio]

There's no motheboard, no riser cable, it's only half built lol

[hollow grail]

gpu in case

what more do u need for pc

[stoic island]

ind ed

[worn crane]

It's just sitting there, just for better visual representation

[worn crane]

It's just sitting there for better visual representation

[worn crane]

120s

No one has a vertical mount bracket for thr o11 mini yet

[wanton cliff]

Really?

Taking them a mighty long time to make one

[worn crane]

Preorderes already happened on newegg, I think they ship out the 13th

Of February

[formal cosmos]

should i leave my cpu fan at 100?

or at 75

[stoic island]

Sound

[formal cosmos]

because i’m playing valorant rn and my temps are like 70-80

[stoic island]

Speed wise it makes little difference to lifespan

If you can bear louder sound

Go ahead

[formal cosmos]

so... at 100 the lifespan will still be good?

[little osprey]

for black and silver nothing can go wrong with the platinum Hxxxi series coolers

[stoic island]

The MTBF rating is for full speed operation

So

@little osprey go ahead

[little osprey]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/Hydro-Series™-PRO-RGB-Liquid-CPU-Coolers/p/CW-9060031-WW

[stoic island]

Meh

[formal cosmos]

so... should i leave it at 100?

[stoic island]

@little osprey I'd change case psu and just take out fans for a case with enough included fans

[little osprey]

Im confused

why not just put a 9000RPM 60mm fan on the cpu heatsink?

industrial fans work great

[formal cosmos]

so... it’s not a big difference?

[stoic island]

Fans are rated to be ran at full speed so

[wanton cliff]

Your RAM and SSD are both kinda sus, and I would go with a 10700k instead of a 10600k but otherwise it looks nice

[formal cosmos]

ima just leave my cpu cooler at 100

[wanton cliff]

Ok

[still roost]

Komm, süßer Tod#1223 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wanton cliff]

One sec*

[formal cosmos]

lol

[wanton cliff]

Wrong letter lol

[still roost]

Jaden!#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wanton cliff]

C is right next to x

[stoic island]

Bruh

@little osprey did you just

Change the case and psu to some of the worst options possible

[formal cosmos]

lmao

[small osprey]

[stoic island]

H510

CXm

[small osprey]

terrible psu

terrible case

[stoic island]

GO BACK TO BEFORE

DOWNGRADE

[topaz frost]

Hey guys i made a mistake im pretty sure so i ordered a ROG STRIX b450-f gaming motherboard it says on the box ryzen 3000 series ready so i ordered a ryzen 7 3700x but online im seeing that i might need a bios update

so does anyone know if i will need a bios update ?

[stoic island]

A60 is meh

@topaz frost nowadays no

[muted patio]

It won't need an update

[small osprey]

evga ba or smthn for psu

[stoic island]

If it's a new board

[topaz frost]

yea its brand new all i did was open to get the AIO shield out to get it painted

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WD7mW3

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff no go back to 10600k :p

[wanton cliff]

Why?

[topaz frost]

So im good tho?

[stoic island]

CXM AGAIN

10600k better

[wanton cliff]

I didn’t change the PSU

[stoic island]

Get mp34 tho

:D

[wanton cliff]

You are acting weird today

Anyways Ryzen is cheaper

[stoic island]

I am

[wanton cliff]

And has a better upgrade path

[stoic island]

Not if you count Intel 11th gen for gaming

[topaz frost]

Hey thanks for the help @stoic island i honestly thought i was gonna have to spend more money which is not something i want to do

[wanton cliff]

Is 11th Gen still going to use LGA1200 and 1151 or whatever the other one was?

[stoic island]

1200

I think it's no bios update necessary but we'll need to see

[small osprey]

no get the phanteks amp 750w

same price and fully modular

and also 100 extra w

[wanton cliff]

That RAM and SSD is still sus as hell

[stoic island]

Yea amp is same thing, except 750w, and full mod, at same price

@wanton cliff a60 is just meh

It's got hmb

I'd get mp34

[wanton cliff]

Same

[small osprey]

get mp34 and uh that ram is fine ig

[wanton cliff]

Last time I saw that ram is was in a prebuilt in single channel, and failing a month after the prebuilt was bought

No good memories

[stoic island]

Rip

[small osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTZ6mk

change ram if needed

[wanton cliff]

Esports cooler

Interesting

[small osprey]

this ig https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TyHdgt

its p good

[wanton cliff]

I much prefer the Vengeance RAM

Monitor should be fine

Might want to upgrade down the line for that 3070

Monitor is going to be a bottleneck

[small osprey]

mm

but that build is good not counting the monitor

[wanton cliff]

Eh

Monitor can be upgraded down the line

1440p 144hz perhaps

Use the 1080p one as a side monitor

You can if you want to spend a little extra on the monitor

3070 is good for that build tho

I would just wait to get a better monitor down the line

1080p 144hz is fine

It is going to be the bottleneck though

[celest glade]

should i buy a tray cpu?

i found a tray i5-10400f for 87.80 eur

i might sell my i3-10100f and buy it

nvm

listing was wrong

[clever jetty]

what’s a tray cpu?

[hollow grail]

non boxed

often sold to OEMS

comes with no cooler or anything

[fossil halo]

Woah

[grim fern]

someone try and beat these temps on my laptop

[muted sluice]

lmao

take your laptop out of the freezer already

[formal cosmos]

is it bad if i have this to 100?

cpu fan cooler^

stock cooler

[icy quail]

should I position the top row of 3 fans to be intake or outtake?

I have the TD500 non mesh so I'm not sure which one to do

[small osprey]

generally its bottom and front as intake

top and back as exhaust

@icy quail

[muted patio]

Heat rises, help the heat escape.

[icy quail]

alright ill switch them around

thanks

[small osprey]

no problem

[jagged spire]

Can someone help me learn how to snipe parts

[muted patio]

Click quickly. Use ApplePay or PayPal

[jagged spire]

?

[muted patio]

You asked how to "snipe" parts. Use the quickest checkout, Apple Pay or PayPal

[jagged spire]

Ok

So how?

Just refresh

And how do I know when the parts come back into stock

[west solstice]

My very bad choice of getting a graphics card bigger than my computer

[little osprey]

rip

[west solstice]

it's also thicker than the computer btw

[little osprey]

yeah, for that type of computer, you will be looking for a low profile card

aka smol card with sometimes a long a PCB

[earnest olive]

you could do a scuffed riser cable setup

[fossil halo]

wait what is up with people saying intake and "outtake"

tf its called exhaust or am i stupid

[earnest olive]

exhaust?

never heard outtake lol

[fossil halo]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[wanton cliff]

Outtake is commonly used by new builders

[fossil halo]

^^^^

lmao but like

yea

sp a60 v bad ssd

pls no one fall into the trap

its cheap and looks nice

dont get it

[earnest olive]

no dram no hmb no bueno

[fossil halo]

its my main boot drive

and my friends

died

[small osprey]

uh

[fossil halo]

drearydepp if u remember

[old hearth]

get sn750 or mp34 on sale so much

i hate a 1tb and 500 gb sn750

[desert gulch]

Why do you hate them?

Lol

They're really good drives for the price

xD

[fossil halo]

i think he may have meant to say have

[earnest olive]

@desert gulch not worth saving a few bucks

[drifting garnet]

I have the mp34

I like it.

Programs open fast.

[wanton cliff]

I mean

How else would it open lol

[earnest olive]

the 1tb a60 is only $10 cheaper than the 1tb p34a80

[wanton cliff]

It’s a modern day SSD

[drifting garnet]

Idk

[earnest olive]

and $10 cheaper than the team mp34

[drifting garnet]

My PC boots up slower than I though tho. Apperently MSI got rid of quick boot so that may be why.

[earnest olive]

that's like picking a rtx 3070 that's $10 cheaper over an rtx 3080

[wanton cliff]

Picking GPUs is a bit different but ok

[drifting garnet]

Yeah lol

[wanton cliff]

Only a bit though

[earnest olive]

skimping on dram on a 1tb boot drive to save $10

[wanton cliff]

Cause with GPUs you have to worry about power draw and case clearance and bottlenecks

Etc etc

[earnest olive]

I'm not saying they are exactly the same situation

I'm saying they make exactly the same amount of sense

[drifting garnet]

I almost got a team gx2

then I got an mp34

[wanton cliff]

But yeah I would def go with a 3080 lol

[earnest olive]

if you're offered $690 for a 3070 and $700 for a 3080 and you take the 3070

that makes as much sense as doing dramless boot drive to save $10

:)

[wanton cliff]

Agreed

[earnest olive]

and you bet the same person that skimped $10 on their boot drive

spent $150 on corsair rgb fans

and bought vengeance pro rgb 3200c16

[wanton cliff]

Imagine

[earnest olive]

I remember seeing an actual completed build on pcpartpicker

[remote cairn]

should I upgrade from a 10700k to a 11900k for pcie 4? my z490 board supports it

[earnest olive]

where the rgb fans were the most expensive component

[wanton cliff]

[earnest olive]

@remote cairn what's your gpu and what's your income

[wanton cliff]

Is 11th Gen out?

[remote cairn]

I make 70k a year and my gpu is 2070 super. trying to get a 3080 though

[fossil halo]

LMAOOOOO

[remote cairn]

money no problem

[drifting garnet]

ok

lol

[earnest olive]

this guy had an i5-9400f, no dgpu, 8gb single channel 2400mhz ram, 3 500gb dramless ssds that had a total price higher than a 2tb dram ssd, and $400 worth of corsair rgb fans

[fossil halo]

LMFAO

[drifting garnet]

RIP

[wanton cliff]

I mean, I know people that make nearly 7 figures that only spend about 1k on a PC per year, so

[drifting garnet]

Priorities

[small osprey]

this man

[earnest olive]

@remote cairn I wouldn't do it

[fossil halo]

yea like

[earnest olive]

pcie 4 still does almost nothing for a 3090

[remote cairn]

cool

[wanton cliff]

Does 10th Gen not support PCIe 4?

[fossil halo]

i think with any job blowing 1k on a pc shouldn't be much of an issue

[earnest olive]

nvidia demonstrated their 3090 on pcie 4

[fossil halo]

right?

[drifting garnet]

Same, the card he already has is pretty good already.

[earnest olive]

10700k will be solid for a long time

[fossil halo]

idk im far from havign a job

[earnest olive]

consider 13th gen for your next upgrade

it will be the second gen on ddr5

[drifting garnet]

I think I could technically get a job.

[earnest olive]

avoid early adopter tax

[drifting garnet]

Idk tho

[wanton cliff]

True but DDR5 is going to be slow and small to start

[earnest olive]

that's why I said 13th gen

not 12th gen

by then it should be more mature

growing pains should be over

[wanton cliff]

Forgot that 12th Gen was going to be the first on DDR5

[earnest olive]

a 10700K is absolutely going to hold fine until 13th gen

there are still people today running 2600K @ 5GHz lol

[drifting garnet]

10700k is pretty good.

Lol

That is true.

[earnest olive]

saw 2 of them today

[drifting garnet]

My dad has a Phenom 2

so

[earnest olive]

does your dad play modern games on it

[drifting garnet]

no

He does bills

[earnest olive]

I meant there are people running modern games on a 2600K

[wanton cliff]

My father had an Athlon II

Could barely open windows lol

[earnest olive]

if you think about it

2600K and 10700K are only 3 architectures apart

lol

[wanton cliff]

Imagine

[drifting garnet]

My cousin has a pentium gold laptop of some sorts that is 2 years old, can also barely open windows.

[remote cairn]

cool ill just keep the 10700k

[drifting garnet]

It is an HP

[earnest olive]

sandy bridge, ivy bridge, haswell, skylake, skylake, skylake, skylake, skylake

[drifting garnet]

HAHA

[wanton cliff]

Rocket lake should be good

[drifting garnet]

I didn't know that honestly.

I didn't know that it was only 3 architectures.

[wanton cliff]

Then for AMD there is bulldozer, piledriver, excavator, Zen, Zen+, Zen2, Zen3

I think I got the order right

[earnest olive]

vishera

[drifting garnet]

I haven't been as interested in computers till like last year.

[earnest olive]

same

it was december 2019 when I first learned what a gpu is

[wanton cliff]

Same

[drifting garnet]

I knew what it was but didn't know anything about them.

[wanton cliff]

Wait Bleach when did you first get into computers?

[earnest olive]

honestly I much prefer "zen 2, zen 3" to "coffee lake, comet lake"

much easier on people who haven't memorized the lakes

[drifting garnet]

Like how many lakes could there possibly be?

[earnest olive]

I built my first pc around new years 2020

[drifting garnet]

For me it was Christmas 2020.

[earnest olive]

finished my 30th build a few days ago

[drifting garnet]

So

[wanton cliff]

And one of us is a junior mod, one of us is only a VIP

We are very similar when it comes to when we started building PCs and our experience and such

[drifting garnet]

I built my PC a little under a month ago, it was pretty cool. Will definitely be doing it again.

What I won't be doing again is a bios update through windows.

[earnest olive]

my gf won't let me build her one

😔

[wanton cliff]

Lol

[earnest olive]

we tried playing mh world

it looked like minecraft on her laptop

[drifting garnet]

HA

[earnest olive]

I was annoyed that my fps was dipping below 165 occasionally

then I saw hers

[drifting garnet]

Why won't she let you build a pc???????

[wanton cliff]

My ex (whom I am still friends with) is a retro elitist. I want to build him a cheap PC for emulation or something but he wants to only play in 480p 30fps for some godforsaken reason.

[drifting garnet]

Oof

[earnest olive]

she doesn't want to deal with lugging around a pc and monitor between her dorm and home

which is understandable

but her laptop sucks LOL

[drifting garnet]

I was getting 60 fps on minecraft for 5 minutes until it started thermal throttling.

[earnest olive]

at least she got rgb lights in her room

epic gamer time

[drifting garnet]

I like my RGB lights.

[stoic island]

@earnest olive get her new laptop

:p

[earnest olive]

I can't date someone who doesn't have any rgb

smh

[drifting garnet]

🔥

[wanton cliff]

I was wondering why I was only getting 30fps in Minecraft until I realized that I had VSync on

[stoic island]

Ah yes discord I'm definitely trying to use that

[drifting garnet]

30 hz monitor?

[drifting garnet]

hehe

[wanton cliff]

144

[drifting garnet]

hm

Mine is too and it was limiting it to 60 or 75 i think.

[wanton cliff]

Minecraft is weird

[drifting garnet]

Dum dum minecraft

[stoic island]

@earnest olive tbh we need a TU150 build with a monitor built into the side panel

That'd be great

[wanton cliff]

Sometimes it lets you have 1000fps and sometimes it limits you to 30

[earnest olive]

I've never tried to build an sff pc before

[drifting garnet]

I can finally play with shaders and not worry about having 8 fps.

[wanton cliff]

How is Optifine different from RTX?

They both look the same

[drifting garnet]

I mena

[earnest olive]

I tried playing minecraft on my laptop during the time I had no gpu in my desktop

[drifting garnet]

mean

[earnest olive]

for some reason it refused to recognize my laptop's gtx 1050 and only ran off of the integrated graphics

[drifting garnet]

There are many different shader packs for optifine.

[drifting garnet]

hm

that sucks

[earnest olive]

rtx looks really cool in minecraft

I got to try it out recently

[drifting garnet]

I would

but

Don't you have to have an RTX GPU?

[earnest olive]

never thought I'd see my gpu gulping down 350 watts to run minecraft though

I do have one

[drifting garnet]

I also don't own Win 10 edition.

[earnest olive]

I don't either

[drifting garnet]

oh

[wanton cliff]

Not necessarily. Software accelerated ray tracing.

Burns your graphics card tho

[earnest olive]

I had a customer that wanted me to install it for her kid cause I was building his pc

[drifting garnet]

Ok

[wanton cliff]

Those things overheat in seconds

[earnest olive]

so I used her account to try it

[drifting garnet]

I don't want any housefires.

So

[earnest olive]

I tried ray tracing in metro exodus on my old 1080ti

it was laughably unplayable

was like 13 fps at 1080p medium

[wanton cliff]

Want to try making a PC building business type thing, but I live in the middle of nowhere

[drifting garnet]

All I need for my setup is a mic and good speakers.

But

[earnest olive]

you can technically turn on ray tracing on a gtx gpu, just expect it to be for screenshots only

yeah I live in a silicon valley suburb

[wanton cliff]

Rip

[earnest olive]

where you from?

[wanton cliff]

I live in a town east of Chicago which is basically a large retirement home.

[earnest olive]

hmm

[drifting garnet]

hehe

Damn

The closest thing to a cool computer store near me is best buy

[earnest olive]

most of my customers are either 25-30 year old dudes buying for themselves, or 40-50 year old parents buying for their kids

[drifting garnet]

The nearest micro center is 5 hours

[earnest olive]

haven't sold a gaming pc to a retiree yet

[wanton cliff]

Exactly

They all buy inspirons anyways

[earnest olive]

I haven't had any women buying a pc for herself yet

[wanton cliff]

Their houses are all glass, I can see the PCs in their offices and studies

All inspirons

[earnest olive]

almost got one but she wants a 3070 so I told her it would take a long time to find one

[wanton cliff]

Without fail

[wanton cliff]

I mean... snail monitor.

[earnest olive]

yeah I got my 3080 from snail monitor

but it took 3 months

[wanton cliff]

Oh wow

[earnest olive]

but to be fair

[wanton cliff]

I make no money right now

Corona

[earnest olive]

I spent some of those 3 months looking for 6800xt first

[wanton cliff]

Until we learned that they suck?

[earnest olive]

and I was only settling for one of two specific models of 3080

no, until we learned that they don't exist at all

frank azr

[drifting garnet]

My cousin wants to upgrade from his horrible HP laptop, but there are no GPU's even closed to reasonably priced rn.

Or CPU's

[earnest olive]

i5-10400 for cpu

used gpu

that's the way to go rn

[drifting garnet]

I am lucky I got PC parts for christmas.

My dad and I went over what I want like a month and a half before.

[earnest olive]

I got my ryzen 5 3600x for $143

miss those days

[drifting garnet]

My xt was probably 220

But I needed a gaming pc

I want to be pcmr

[earnest olive]

I got a lucky chip that does 1900 fclk

and boosts to 4.45 in games

what a bargain for $143

my motherboard is more expensive than my cpu

and my cooler is almost as expensive as my cpu

[earnest olive]

right?

[muted patio]

I'm considering upgrading to 3800 mhz ram to see if I can do 1900 FCLK

[earnest olive]

I like how after he got called out

[muted patio]

The Gskill chips I have are poop Hynix

[earnest olive]

he was like

"BUT I BOUGHT AN RX 6800 NOT A PAPER LAUNCH"

which die?

hynix djr is good

[muted patio]

Mmmmm

I don't remember what Typhoon said

[earnest olive]

I'm running my hynix djr at 3800C16

[muted patio]

BUt it wasn't great

[earnest olive]

$68 kit :)

[earnest olive]

was it AFR/MFR?

[muted patio]

well hmmmm

Any voltage increase or 1.35?

[earnest olive]

1.42

[muted patio]

ah

[earnest olive]

1.1Vsoc

both within safe limits all good

[muted patio]

Ye

[drifting garnet]

I don't really know what any of this means

[earnest olive]

+200mhz and tighter timings than xmp must come with a voltage bump

[muted patio]

Yes

[drifting garnet]

Well

most of it

some of it i do

[wanton cliff]

They are talking about RAM clocks, dies, and voltage.

To put it simply

[drifting garnet]

ok

[muted patio]

Gonna DL again

and see what my chips are

[earnest olive]

hynix mfr/afr isn't great for overclocking

but cjr/djr does fine

[muted patio]

it's also 32 GB kit

[earnest olive]

you can just put 3800mhz with super loose timings and 1900 fclk to see if it works

[drifting garnet]

I have school tomorrow but at least i get to go skiing after.

[earnest olive]

I was able to boot 4333mhz ram by putting meme timings

[muted patio]

Huh

Hynix C die

Well

Mebbe I should OC this stuff then

[earnest olive]

c die is not bad

if you want to just see if 1900 fclk is possible

see if you can boot 3800 26-27-27-58 1.5 vdimm 1.1 vsoc

with 1900 fclk

[muted patio]

Ye

[earnest olive]

if that doesn't boot then your chip just can't do it

[wanton cliff]

Since we have no one asking about PCs or troubleshooting or anything

What do y’all think about humanity refusing to use computers in Dune?

[earnest olive]

in what

[muted patio]

Drugs r bad, mkay?

[wanton cliff]

Dune

A science fiction series by Frank Herbert

[earnest olive]

iirc hynix cjr is not much worse than djr

[wanton cliff]

Published in the 60s

[earnest olive]

so the modules should be able to do 3800

the question is with what timings

[muted patio]

Exactly

I don't think I'm gonna monkey with it tonight

Mebbe this weekend

[earnest olive]

I have 3800 16-19-16-21-36 on djr

maybe you can do 3800c16 too

[wanton cliff]

How do the timings affect the system?

[drifting garnet]

how do the timing work, i am dum

[muted patio]

Hmmm, this stuff is already 16-19-19-38 on 3600 so....I'd expect to go a little looser

[earnest olive]

lower memory latency = better gaming performance

[wanton cliff]

Obviously

[drifting garnet]

ok

[wanton cliff]

But how much and why

[drifting garnet]

but like

[earnest olive]

well mine was 3600 16-19-19-19-39 1.35v on xmp

[drifting garnet]

what is die?

[wanton cliff]

THE NUMBERS MASON! WHAT DO THEY MEAN??

[earnest olive]

mine is tighter than xmp but higher voltage

[muted patio]

Die is basically chip quality

[drifting garnet]

ok

i see

[wanton cliff]

The actual area that the calculations are on

[drifting garnet]

how do i know if i got good die

[muted patio]

What ram is it?

and speed and timings?

[drifting garnet]

tforce vulcan 3200 16gb

[earnest olive]

it's like how intel cpus and amd cpus are different and have different characteristics but achieve largely the same thing

[drifting garnet]

all i know

[muted patio]

hmmmm

[wanton cliff]

You don’t got a good die then

[muted patio]

Grab Thaiphoon burner

[wanton cliff]

Probably

[muted patio]

and run it

[drifting garnet]

time to die

[earnest olive]

different ram types are all ram but have different characteristics when it comes to overclocking

[muted patio]

Probs not good stuff

[drifting garnet]

get it

[muted patio]

http://www.softnology.biz/files.html

[earnest olive]

I think those modules are low bin b-die

[drifting garnet]

so my ram be bad?

[earnest olive]

but I'm not 100% sure

[wanton cliff]

Yes

[muted patio]

Mebbe

Grab Thaiphoon and run it

See what it is

[wanton cliff]

Tforce is generally not of the highest quality

[earnest olive]

"bad" for overclocking perhaps

[drifting garnet]

why did i get bad ram

[earnest olive]

will not perform worse than other 3200c16

[muted patio]

Well yeah

Bad for overclocking

[drifting garnet]

well

[muted patio]

Fine for rated speeds

[wanton cliff]

Now Crucial Ballistix and G.Skill Ripjaws and TridentZ

Those are good

[earnest olive]

honestly with a 1660 super it's unlikely to make a difference anyways

[muted patio]

Ballistix is BEST

micron Rev E

Good overclocker

[wanton cliff]

I know

[drifting garnet]

I honestly thought that t force was good, idk why.

[earnest olive]

it's been so long since ballistix was in stock

[muted patio]

G Skill tends to be Hynix

[earnest olive]

it's fine

they are perfectly fine modules

[drifting garnet]

I didn't plan on OC so

[muted patio]

It's not that it's bad

Just not overclockable

[drifting garnet]

i guess i ok.

[earnest olive]

ryzen cpus tend to have very little oc headroom in general

doesn't make them bad

[wanton cliff]

I never manage to get a good ticket on the silicon lottery. I have never been able to even go above 10 megahertz on any part.

[exotic aspen]

Got a 120mm aio, and installation went bad

[muted patio]

My GPU's OC well

[exotic aspen]

Bent pin on ryzen 7

[muted patio]

oof

Straighten pin

[wanton cliff]

[drifting garnet]

oof

[muted patio]

It'll be fine, use a credit card

[exotic aspen]

AOJCIWHDR9CIWH

[drifting garnet]

I am gonna go.

cya

[exotic aspen]

Gonna have a friend help fix it this weekend

[earnest olive]

how did you bend a pin from trying to install a cooler

[wanton cliff]

Just straighten the pin

[muted patio]

I'd guess

Old cooler pulled CPU out of the socket

Cuz cold/hard paste

[wanton cliff]

I’m fairly certain he is a troll but whatever

[earnest olive]

maybe

[wanton cliff]

Speaking of... 120mm AIO?

[exotic aspen]

Exactly right, actually

[muted patio]

Ye

ALWAYS get CPU hot before removing old cooler

[earnest olive]

I'm pretty sure the wraith prism cooler is going to cool just as well as a 120mm aio if not better anyways lol

[muted patio]

makes paste soft

Mmmm.....depends

Prism is good but not great

Good 120mm AIO has longer time to max and cooling potential

[earnest olive]

120mm aios are very not great

[muted patio]

*Time to heat soak

[exotic aspen]

The wraith did good until it came to 20 minutes of a beefy game

[drifting garnet]

Actually

I am back

[wanton cliff]

Can confirm, I have a friend who has an identical system as mine. Only difference is that he had a 120mm AIO and I have a Prism. He gets way hotter temps (usually 10c or more)

[earnest olive]

dunno what game you're playing to make the prism struggle

[muted patio]

Might not be set up right though

[wanton cliff]

He did say Wraith, not prism

There are multiple wraiths

[earnest olive]

but he said ryzen 7

[muted patio]

Ye

7 cam with Prism

[exotic aspen]

The Forest, Watch Dogs 2, and Fortnite

[earnest olive]

the only ryzen 7s that come with coolers come with the prism

[wanton cliff]

The forest can get very laggy

Very CPU intensive game

[exotic aspen]

So for now, I'm stuck using an athlon