Naed is magical
#building-and-recc-chat
rough hornet
sorry im just soo caught up in this i forgot my manners
rough hornet
last thing i want is a dark burnt hole in the middle of my cpu
foggy hazel
not going to happen.
there is hardware that protects you from that. (hardware built-in to the cpu itself)
rough hornet
i legit have no idea as to why am i getting a 100%
tough carbon
did you check to see if there are no background apps hogging cpu?
rough hornet
just finished zoom
tough carbon
Okay, so go into your task manager, and check that which apps are using a lot of cpu. If it is a task you can end, end it. If it is a system task, I’d stay away from that and let it do its thing.
tough carbon
Are you in a zoom call?
stoic island
zoom and discord and windows taking too much CPU than they really should
pallid hull
jesus christ
stoic island
@rough hornet anyways do get malwarebytes and do a scan
tough carbon
Yes, that’s because you probably have discord as high priority.
tough carbon
malware bytes should help
rough hornet
yea
pallid hull
thats on a 3900x? what in the
foggy hazel
lets random running around
tough carbon
definitely don’t try mcaffee or norton security
foggy hazel
just wait @rough hornet
foggy hazel
i would like a look first.
tough carbon
well norton security is alright but mcaffee is garbage
rough hornet
you guys want me to go on screenshare
stoic island
can't in public vc
rough hornet
in genral so you all can see
stoic island
If Naed is free, you should try having a call with him and screenshare
rough hornet
i suppose
foggy hazel
give me a minute
languid nimbus
just listen to naed lol
rough hornet
ok
little leaf
30 for 1 fan
stoic island
don't grab that one
tall oak
hi
mild trout
so the second one is preferred ok
Is there any other fan I should be considering for bottom intake for ncase m1?
tall oak
h
stoic island
I like how noctua fans are so good that they're out of stock
they should be like 20$
mild trout
who would have known one company could dominate spinny bois going brr so well
rough hornet
@foggy hazel u dere
mild trout
... So what's it for then?
stoic island
Well, there are weird 5v headers in places
wherever you find those
you can slap a 5v fan in
Wonder where naed went
This is about the time I normally would ask him
mild trout
He's probably taking his daily 5 minute nap. Dude does like 2 a day and is awake the rest of it seems like.
@stoic island any other 2x120mm fans to consider or is that the best I'm going to get and just pay the crazy corona fees?
stoic island
something else
mild trout
There's one instock at my microcenter in HTX
12v that is
@stoic island https://www.microcenter.com/endeca/CompareV2.aspx?returnUrl=L3NlYXJjaC9zZWFyY2hfcmVzdWx0cy5hc3B4P049NDI5NDgxOTYyMCZwYWdlPTE%3D why does the cheaper model have slow speed, more airflow, and same or similar dimension
stoic island
Back, P12 should be fine too if A12x25 is expensive
hm?
@mild trout it isn't loading for me
mild trout
Would either be compatible as bottom intake under a GPU in the Ncase?
mild trout
I see the difference I don't understand it
stoic island
Anyways Arctic P12s are also pretty good, less good as Noctua fans but 40$ for a single fan is really overpriced right now :(
real cosmos
Hello. I have suuuuddenly had a need to get a computer for work which I need by October. So I've been looking at prebuilt desktops on newegg because I have no idea what I'm doing and building one is out of the question
But since I have no idea what I'm doing I'm having trouble knowing what to look for 😬
real cosmos
It's more the time factor that has me thinking building isn't a great call
stoic island
What's the budget
mild trout
@stoic island Wait that's not what the graph is showing.
little leaf
Building one takes an hour and half
mild trout
So it's Nf-A12x25 or another brand for bottom intake?
stoic island
Since pricing is pretty wack for a12x25
I say you grab some Arctic P12s
they should be around 8$ a piece
@real cosmos what programs
and how urgent exactly is it?
real cosmos
Toonboom harmony and photoshop
Like I would be starting the job October 3rd
And accidentally implied that I already have a computer. Because I have a computer my current job lent me and didn't realize I was inquiring about a full time job and not a fun side project
stoic island
Oh you have a bit of time then
real cosmos
Not really, no
stoic island
Sept 19th they're starting to ship a new GPU, and if you built the PC yourself you can fit it under 2000cad.
but that ain't gonna happen with how prebuilds markup pricing
and I doubt prebuilts will get enough stock of RTX 3080s anyways
I'll find you some decent prebuilts for now, but stick around and we can tell you about how to build a PC, at least for the knowledge for next time
Interesting that toon boom harmony only lists Intel chips for mininum specs...
https://desk.toonboom.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050427213-Toon-Boom-Harmony-20-System-Requirements
real cosmos
I know a few specs of the PC a friend of mine built who is doing ostensibly the same job I will be but it's two years old
Buuuut now that I'm looking at it I don't think it mentions processor
stoic island
Anyways, you know how much storage you want?
stoic island
ick what was I expecting prebuilts don't have good ram/storage options :(
https://www.newegg.ca/abs-computer-technologies-ali419/p/N82E16883102997
Still looking, but this is a proposal.
real cosmos
If I can save by getting lower storage and upgrading later I'm open to that as well
stoic island
Another issue with prebuilts - The configs are weird
For example, on that, it's either 512gb ssd+2060s or 1tb ssd+2070s
real cosmos
The smaller SSD shouldn't be an issue because I believe that's the size my friend has. I'm at a loss on the 2060vs2070 though. My ignorance is pretty hefty
stoic island
It matters.
real cosmos
I suspected as much
stoic island
I don't like how much I'm pushing towards the 2k cad cap, but from what I've seen so far, that PC, plus this ram kit would be good.
https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091
since toon boom lists 32gb ram as recommended
real cosmos
I'll see if I can pull up the specs on what I'm working on now as well
stoic island
fair enough
I don't think you can do much better with prebuilts and a 2000cad cap right now
real cosmos
Mine has 24 GB of RAM and I believe my friend's only has 16. So while they recommend 32, it might not be 100% necessary. Admittedly, I'm also not working in harmony version 20
I didn't even know there WAS. Version 20, I use like, 16
stoic island
It's good to have at the end of the day, I hear photoshop can take a lot if you do a lot of effects ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lol
stoic island
Anyways
Building your own PC can be a great thing
For example, what is basically an exact copy of that prebuilt pc, can be built for 1500cad @real cosmos
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Jvgysk
And building a PC is not hard
real cosmos
I imagine I'd be able to save too by skipping the RGB nonsense
stoic island
Well, yea
night iron
What Aorus motherboard would anybody recommend for a high end streaming and video editing and the ability to over clock just in case I want to with both options of WiFI and eithernet port?
stoic island
I don't like taking into account rgb anyways xD
But point is, I would go for a different setup and stuff but that list was following similar to what was in the prebuilt
little osprey
asus and gigabyte
stoic island
@night iron for what CPU
little osprey
B550 Aorus Pro AC
real cosmos
Fair
night iron
What ryzen CPU is good for over clocking and high end streaming and video editing? @stoic island
stoic island
What are you trying to gain from overclocking?
real cosmos
I'm sure I could do it, yeah. I just can't run the risk of ordering parts from a bunch of different places and hoping they get here on time. This has been a big help though. There are a few local PC places I'm going to call up tomorrow and having an idea of a baseline is a great help
So I might still be able to get a custom build by just knowing those prebuilt specs.
stoic island
I need to make sure you didn't get a wrong impression from OCing being magical easy performance gain @night iron , because OCing is wacky and iffy.
@real cosmos well, I'd tell you to build it yourself, and I can make lists for you with setups that would make sense to you, and I think you'll get better quotes if I give you a list to ask them to build.
Afterall, pcpp lists prices and you can see exactly how much they're trying to mark you up for.
night iron
Okay what regular Ryzen CPU would you recommend for high end streaming and video editing? @stoic island
stoic island
Depends on overall budget, likely 3700x/3900x
@real cosmos here, a list for ya that you can ask around with
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YYpLvW
that list is 200cad cheaper than buying the prebuilt, and has more ram
real cosmos
That's awesome, thank you so much
stoic island
Ofc you can likely expect ~100cad service fee people might charge, but that would still save you money, and you can know that you don't have proprietary parts, and could make some other changes.
tough carbon
always go with a custom build, prebuilds can be horrible others can be good
stoic island
the CPU/mobo could be changed out, I just don't really know how toon boom really works
But this is a Ryzen build equivalent,
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3GmpZf
stoic island
Do you know them or are you trying to find them
prisma stag
trying to find
stoic island
Hwinfo64
prisma stag
I found it
Processor: AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics 2.20 GHz
Installed memory (RAM): 8.00 GB (6.93 usable)
How bad is that?
stoic island
oh boy
prisma stag
would even the cheapest of upgrades be noticible?
stoic island
Isn't that a laptop chip
prisma stag
yea dealing with this is what is making me invest in a built pc cause everyone telling me i should build one and upgrade
native nebula
Hello I need some I need some recommendations on parts currently I have the Ryzen7 processor, the Tuf gaming x570 plus mother bored and the Meshify c case
native nebula
thanks
prisma stag
on ram can i buy 4 sticks and throw em all in there?
or is there a reason most just come in 2
prisma stag
like i wana buy
prisma stag
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
stoic island
that works
prisma stag
should i buy 2 sets
stoic island
I don't even remember what your build was
prisma stag
and put 4
stoic island
no
prisma stag
o ok
stoic island
why do you need more than 32gb anyways
prisma stag
cause idk what it does so i figure more the better
but i didnt know if that statement is true with ram
stoic island
no
for gaming you don't even need more than 16gb
You're working off this list right
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FZWLvW
prisma stag
ud stick to whats on that list?
stoic island
You can spend a bit more as long as the stuff is good
Like if you imagine doing things that require more than 16gb of ram, then go ahead and swap in some 2x16gb 3600mhz cl16 ram, no problem with that.
you could get a 1tb Mp34 for more ssd storage if you want
that kinda stuff
night iron
My budget is 2k @stoic island
waxen finch
should i go for a b550 aorus elite or a x570 aorus elite?
earnest olive
@night iron yup
night iron
Well that’s one way to make money. I might have to start doing that. @earnest olive
stoic island
Example 2000$ list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3N4Q8M
earnest olive
it's fun and it pays well
night iron
Thank you @stoic island
stoic island
1tb nvme boot and 1tb sata for storage and editing ig
earnest olive
@stoic island if you're top mounting a 360mm rad in a td500 mesh do you think they should be exhausts? or intakes and add an exhaust in the rear?
or even different directions 
i am probably going to be doing a build with a top mounted 360 in a td500 mesh soon so i'm curious what you think
front mounting the rad to the preinstalled fans and then putting 2 of the rad fans on top and 1 in rear is an option
earnest olive
and no fan in the back?
earnest olive
i see
if the top rad is all exhausts do you think adding a rear intake would help VRMs?
earnest olive
i also like positive pressure for customer builds because it slows dust buildup
so i'm wondering about adding rear intake for 4 intakes 3 exhaust
stoic island
could try that
earnest olive
especially since it will be using a 10900K i'm sure extra vrm cooling will be good
small heron
Everyone in my area is 50+ and scared of pc's
earnest olive
i also worry about the top exhaust being too close to the top intake and effectively nullifying that fan
little leaf
Just me ot is the 220t not on pcpp
earnest olive
@stoic island this is what i imagine from such a setup
stoic island
Yes
earnest olive
so the highest front intake doesn't do much, might hit the RAM and memory VRMs a bit
earnest olive
yeah definitely i mean for other stuff
stoic island
Bottom likely just gpu
earnest olive
it will help cool the rad still
earnest olive
and then rear intake will provide some much needed airflow over the vrms i think
for 10900K vrm cooling should be a big deal
stoic island
Sure
shut tapir
Anyone here have the meshify s2
If so what is the length of the feet on it not the whole case but just the feet
Pls ping me if u rewspond thx
little osprey
Anyone know good Bluetooth adapter
foggy hazel
not something you have to worry about.
little osprey
@floral flare amd comes with stock cooler btw
floral flare
ok
little osprey
If you're worried, the stock cooler works just fine
little osprey
It comes with the CPU
You don't need to buy it extra
Only Intel and some threadrippers dont
little osprey
Benefits of AMD, cheaper and stock cooler. Comes with thermal paste pre-applied too btw
Usually anyways
Mine did
floral flare
intel now cut the price, but without cooler, if buy extra cooler, price is also high
ok, got you
lunar thorn
Hey all I'm looking to get a 1tb m.2 I have a ryzan7 with a asus mobo. Do I need a certain style m.2 or do I just pick anyone
little osprey
Usually there is a certain kind
Check your mobos specs
M.2280 or something like that
plush mist
wait i thought any m.2 would be good
lunar thorn
I think i still have the box and book for my mobo
plush mist
dang
little osprey
You can check your Mobo on pcpartpicker, should tell you
plush mist
just search up your mobo model no. online
lunar thorn
So will m.2 work as a secondary n such my main one right now is just a ssd
lunar thorn
Games like mw draining my ssd haja
little osprey
Just keep in mind that each m2 uses or disables 2 sata bandwidth slots
foggy hazel
@lunar thorn if you can find the mainboard model name, and also tell us what budget you have for a drive. we can give you a suggestion.
little osprey
Hey naed, you know any good Bluetooth pcie cards?
Preferably under $50. And if WIFI has to be included 5g wifi too plz
foggy hazel
@little osprey no.
little osprey
They were also all sold out for when I built them
foggy hazel
@little osprey its 115
bright rain
what’s a good gpu if my budget is 1000
unborn flicker
Get a crucial p1 1tb for 104
lunar thorn
@foggy hazel ty ill go with that one. So are m.2s a plug in and good to go
Or is there any bios I need to do set it up
little osprey
Found a card Naed
@lunar thorn shoudnt
Might want to go thru bios and see if it's being registered/read first tho
lunar thorn
@little osprey thanks
little osprey
👍
foggy hazel
@lunar thorn just plug in and then format it in windows
little osprey
And yes ik that drive is expensive
foggy hazel
send it as a pm to me @harsh geyser and i will post it for you
little osprey
I don't regret it
foggy hazel
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ohlookitsnate/saved/BPM4sY <- on behalf of @harsh geyser
harsh geyser
Hey guys, new to the server. I wanted to know what you guys think of my PC build! Feel free to comment/criticize!
tough carbon
It’s all good...until you reach the gpu and the psu... the psu is SEVERELY underpowered, don’t use that, it will kill some stuff.
foggy hazel
its there any particular reason behind the choices @harsh geyser ?
little osprey
Anyone have a 2080ti and thinking of getting the new 3080 or 3090 series? Not getting the 1440p performance Id like from my gpu 😦
tough carbon
Definitely get a lower tier cpu and up the gpu and psu, if you have the budget for that.
but if it’s like the necessities only, psu definitely.
foggy hazel
@harsh geyser because to put it mildly, there is just about no logical reason i can see for choosing parts that are "that" unbalanced
@tough carbon look at the prices of the parts.
tough carbon
it’s severely unbalanced, the cpu is way too powerful for the psu and the gpu will definitely be the bottleneck...you can get much better parts for that same budget.
Also, you really don’t need 2 hard drives. Just get one big one, unless the second one is a backup.
here’s a MUCH better list, and you save a few hundred bucks
tough carbon
That’s a good choice, especially with WiFi 6
little osprey
Well I really just need Bluetooth
little osprey
Asus rog Strix b450 gaming f
foggy hazel
@tough carbon re: that list you posted. check the ram. check the mx500, check the cooler.
little osprey
@tough carbon trust me first thing I tried
little osprey
u could put a nvme in the build
then a 2.5 inch
nvme and harddrive
also cant u get like 3600mhz cl16 2x16 gbs ram
from ripjaws v
Corsair vengence should be around the same price too
but cl 15 edited: cl16
cl16*
for the same price
tough carbon
alright newly revised build for @harsh geyser
you are saving a lot buddy that’s a much better pc
tough carbon
that’s the old one I made the cpu cooler was well...bad
little osprey
same ram
little osprey
same
tough carbon
should I add a higher capacity ssd or is that good for him
tough carbon
you sure because the i7 is still pretty good
tough carbon
I mean according to his first build his budget was about 2 grand
little osprey
i cant type
tough carbon
I mean I can max out the cpu and gpu if he wants
tough carbon
on an iPad so keyboard isn’t a problem for me
little osprey
I'm on a gaming phone
tough carbon
epic which one
tough carbon
oh
tough carbon
yeah he definitely can
little osprey
nvme ssd
little osprey
@tough carbon you sounded almost disappointed
tough carbon
yeah man because I wouldn’t exactly call a z4 play a gaming phone
little osprey
I mean it kinda is. Might not be an Asus rog or a Razer
It's a more affordable gaming phone.
Came with a controller attachment built just for the phone model too
tough carbon
nice nice
tough carbon
because it’s not out yet
we have to wait until it’s listed so we can put it in pcpartpicker
little osprey
Doesn't it come out in a few days?
tough carbon
the 3080 does
little osprey
It's listed on PCP
vital warren
you can just add it customly
tough carbon
oh that too I never thought you could
little osprey
It's listed, just no price yet
little osprey
the 3080 is 700 usd right
I think so 3060 is supposed to be $500
So I'd say 3080 maybe more closer to $1000
plush mist
the unreleased 3060
little osprey
That's why I said "supposed to"
Asus ROG RAIDR
oops
copyed and pasted wrong thing
vital warren
3070 is 500 3080 is 700
little osprey
he could go 10 gen
Someone recommended the 3080 for my 5 3600 and 16gb RAM
I laughed
@tough carbon u can press custom part and press manually create part and select video card and put the name to 3080 and price 700 instead of that
cuz now u have to manually put the part price
For a 3080, I thinks we'd need to change PSU
Cause I think a 3089 counts as a "large GPU current draw"
little osprey
yea
Not only that but the extra pin that may be needed due to "large video card current"
actually no
they give a adapter
Ahh
mild trout
why wouldn't a 650 work for that build? Unless he's planning on doing overclocking current wattage would be like 550
little osprey
mild trout
the 3080 is rated at 320 watts though
little osprey
a 750 is enough
u dont need a 850
u only need a extra 100 watts from ur total power draw
760 is good
Wouldn't that depend on OC?
foggy hazel
lets just be a bit smart about that, and wait for reviews before we throw absolutes around :)
little osprey
depends on the case but 100 watss should be good enough
tough carbon
but also the core i9 will also chug some power too
cursive wharf
erm, have you purchase 9900k?
pallid hull
Only 2 more days guys
mild falcon
Hey guys! Do you know if this computer case will fit the 3080?
mild falcon
NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case
cursive wharf
or do that
cursive wharf
also depends on what 3080 you're looking for
not all 3080s are same size. I could say yes and go with a liquid cooled FE 3080 that is very small in length
mild falcon
What kind of PC cases do you recommend then?
cursive wharf
I assume you arent going that route, but like do you want FE or smth?
mild falcon
I don't mind buying a new one
high plank
Best looking AIO cooler?
mild falcon
I don't mind whether it's the FE or aftermarket
tough carbon
if you want good looking AIOs look at Corsair
high plank
Thanks bro
tough carbon
founders edition cards will be smaller than the custom ones, because most third party 3080s will be triple fan
little osprey
^
mild falcon
tough carbon
no link
mild falcon
I know, I'm kinda dumb lmao
cursive wharf
tbh ppcp links should work for low lvls, but it doesnt
mild falcon
I'm currently using the monitor.
I'm waiting for the 4th gen Ryzens, but using the 3800x as a place holder
little osprey
tbh ppcp links should work for low lvls, but it doesnt
@cursive wharf people could spam pc part picker links
in every chat
tough carbon
wait until next month when they are revealed, then decide if you really need the upgrade
mild falcon
I don't have the 3800x. I have the Ryzen 5 2600x
little osprey
i am gonna wait for the rdna 2
cursive wharf
no I mean, Mike attempted to make it so that you can post pcpp links as non lvl3, but it didnt work
little osprey
cuz i am gonna buy my parts on black friday
/cybermonday
no I mean, Mike attempted to make it so that you can post pcpp links as non lvl3, but it didnt work
gotcha
amd messed up on their gpu side
they need to give more info
there cpu side is king
there gpu is like the intel of gpus
they really failed
their marketing
like oct 28
fr
cursive wharf
@mild falcon so wait, what do you have and what are you getting? ~$330 Zen3 CPU, 3080, etc
little osprey
people are buying cards early next month
tough carbon
the integrated gpu on ryzens are actually better than intels until you reach the high end
mild falcon
I have the monitor and PSU
celest horizon
lol oops
tough carbon
I don’t think it works with non https links
celest horizon
Bad @still roost
cursive wharf
you have an alt Forks?
celest horizon
well it just ate the https link from my alt
cursive wharf
shame on you
breaking the rules
@mild falcon anyways I'd def change a few things
mild falcon
Like what?
sullen spoke
Which alt tho
cursive wharf
going to make a list up in a sec
sullen spoke
little osprey
Hello
cursive wharf
@mild falcon I'd budget for this and revise the list when the parts actually come out. Trying to guess the price of the new AMD CPUs and potentially mobos isnt the most ideal. So I left budget for a fair bit of overhead room. As for changes: b550 ROG is pretty much overpriced and has no truly good quality features that I'd give it over the b550 PG 4, RAM had bad timings - esp for the price, lastly gen4 NVMe has no real perf improvement for almost everyone and I'd say most of those people would benefit more from more storage
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6GHTdm
tough carbon
well it depends on which nvme drives you get and how many lanes the nvme port has
cursive wharf
also FE 3080 fits in the 510i case btw. Tho may want to change cuz not great thermals and you're dumping a lot of heat into the case with those parts. Hopefully FE design can help a bit with the blower-esc design, but idk
tough carbon
yeah that works but I think the founders edition would probably be the smallest until some manufacturers somehow make some mini board
mild falcon
and the 3080, combined
cursive wharf
no, FE has smallest PCB yeah, but dont forget that FE has a huge heatsink hanging behind the PCB. All you need is for a company to not do that, even on reference PCB which is a bit bigger then FE PCB, and the GPU as a whole becomes smaller
As for case, I wouldnt worry over it until reviews come out
we dont really know how well the FE coolers work in poor airflow situations
tough carbon
Yeah, was just estimating due to the dual fan set up and smaller space in between fans compared to the triple fan cards from every other brand
overclockers and other enthusiasts are gonna have to wait like a month for water blocks to come out
cursive wharf
dont think so
lot of waterblock designs are already out
seems like you can already pre-order some (Bykski blocks on Aliexpress)
tough carbon
wow that was fast
but then like there won’t be any specific water blocks out
unless nvidia went ahead this time and gave water blocks designers the pcb design early
cursive wharf
only PCBs that're going to be readily available at launch is FE and ref. Am pretty sure I've seen at least Bykski have both
EK had some images leaked
or smth
think it was FE
tough carbon
well judging by how much nvidia showcased already there’s definitely a lot of water blocks coming
And yeah only FE and reference models will be able to use them
any custom pcbs will have to wait
cursive wharf
dont think any custom are available at launch anyways
Turing took like a month after ref for custom to be shipped
tough carbon
damn
but aren’t like EVGA and MSI using custom boards to accommodate for the higher binning of the chips
or is it just better VRMS
cursive wharf
idk, but MSI GPUs are usually bad anyways
BIOS flashing and PL locked down hard
worst enthusiast GPU AiB for Turing
and I think Pascal
or semi Pascal
Plus MSI has apparently some of the worst RMA support
As for binning as a whole, generally just meh. Still gives no guarantee. Can easily get a low end EVGA and high end EVGA have the same bin
tough carbon
hm well it depends
like the MSI gpu that Linus overclocked the hell out of did pretty well in their video when they competed with gamersnexus and jayztwocents
cursive wharf
due to them having a private custom BIOS or smth
little osprey
gateron red vs kailh box red
cursive wharf
max any standard consumer can do on any MSI Turing GPU is 320w
unless you have industry contacts
tough carbon
yeah they had a bios that allowed for unlocked max clocks and voltage tuning
cursive wharf
even shunt modding was locked on MSI
but normally, you can flash an XOC BIOS on any GPU
tough carbon
wow
yeah I know but it’s a sort of complicated process
and can brick your gpu right or is there like a failsafe against that
earnest olive
@ripe wedge to answer your question in #build-pics : https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rt448d/team-t-force-xcalibur-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-tf5d416g3600hc18edc01
really overpriced for 3600C18, but the customer specifically wanted this model for the looks
ripe wedge
ah
cursive wharf
EVGA 1080Ti SC Black - obv not a enthusiast GPU, and I flashed an XOC BIOS on it for 1kw max PL (max power consumption of like 520w)
ripe wedge
yeah cuz it looks super bright lol
earnest olive
they definitely do look good
tough carbon
you’re joking
earnest olive
but $118 for 3600C18...
ripe wedge
that is pretty bad
tough carbon
1kw???
ripe wedge
id rather get gskill rgb anyways
tough carbon
On a gpu??
cursive wharf
more like softbrick. If you have another GPU you can reflash the BIOS usually
earnest olive
yeah you can get 3600C16 trident Z neo for cheaper
cursive wharf
again, 1kl PL, not power consumption
tough carbon
oh I see
cursive wharf
520w power consumption
tough carbon
yeah lmao didn’t see that part
earnest olive
basically just no power limit
tough carbon
but still that’s a lot for a gpu still
cursive wharf
2080Ti for standard high end liquid cooling (like not LN2) was 630w
max power consumption
little osprey
gateron red vs kailh box red
Which of these switches is better quality and which would you choose.
tough carbon
I know ampere is going to chug much more power
cursive wharf
not a switch person, so cant say
little osprey
ok
cursive wharf
am a bit concerned over Ampere. Gaming perf may not see much of an improvement with same PL
take a 2080Ti with a good cooler and put a 350w PL on it instead of 250w, and that does a fair bit
Ampere will do very well in at least some workstation tho. Just idk much about gaming
tough carbon
well the 3070 does have a lower TDP than the 2080 ti, but that’s mostly with nanometer advancements
and nvidia did say that the 30 series will have much better ray tracing performance, but they didn’t disclose anything about regular game performance
left adder
If I’m currently running a 2080 super with i7-8700K, AORUS gaming 5 Mobo. Do you guys think it’s a good time to upgrade and is it even worth it?
mild trout
depends on your needs bruh if you're accomplishing everything you want it to there's no reason to spend more money.
left adder
It’s just for gaming. Tbh I’m only playing cod war zone and sometimes multiplayer. I will admit I’d love to be able to run 1440P 144hz+ on war zone 😂
mild falcon
^
I'm only getting like 70-80 fps on my set up. and I have a 1080 with Ryzen 5 2600x lol
little osprey
thats better than me
mild falcon
I have a 1440p 144hz monitor too
mild falcon
😮
mild falcon
@cursive wharf
I'm just selling my whole PC now. So I won't have a processor. Should I get Ryzen 7 3700x or a Ryzen 7 3800x/xt?
I am going to sell it once the 4th gen Ryzen's comes out
little osprey
if ur gonna get the 3800x
get the 3800xt
instead
but get the 3700x
its a better price point
mild falcon
How big of a difference is the 3700x vs 3800xt?
little osprey
really the only difference is the clock speeds
around 100mhz base clock boost
actually i mean 3.9 ghz to 3.6 ghz
but if ur gonna overclock anyways
with a good cooler
not really worth it
mild falcon
So stick with the 3700x?
Should I use the stock Wraith Prism LED Cooler, or get a water cooler?
little osprey
but the 3700x and 3800x turbo speed
is only 100mhz difference
the stock cooler is good if ur not gonna oc
if u are
a better air cooler is fine
u dont need water cooler
u could save money and go air
mild falcon
What air cooler do you recommend?
I currently have the Corsair H100i v2
on my current PC, but I'm selling the whole computer to a friend
little osprey
Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB
is a pretty good mid range cooler
dont sell that water cooler
give him the stock one
lower the price
that cooler is good
gonna sleep gn
little osprey
drifting timber
anyone else waiting on a 3080?
velvet agate
knotty relic
might as well just buy a ps5 
latent lava
Alright anyone got a build with a Apu that is sub 450
wary geode
i build 9100f 1650 super builds for 420 with tax
hehe 420
more gpuss heehehehee i have sooooo many i have like 5
latent lava
So one question I have is can I buy a cheap legitimate windows key because that’s taking up a large portion of my budget for a key directly from Microsoft
deep skiff
ebay
foggy hazel
aside from the "thing" you have as a monitor, its a machine
wary geode
you have 60hz
wary geode
look for a better case for airflow id say
timber swallow
any u would recommend?
wary geode
mesify c
if your going for sleek
but please look if cases can fit that cooler
the gpu will be 800*
not to bad doe
vital warren
can fit a 240mm liquid freezer for like 10 more if it doesn't fit
timber swallow
im going for cheap lol
wary geode
and psu maybe look at tech deals where i post cheaper mor realible
also that mouse you never buy from amazon
buy from glorious main website
timber swallow
ik
im not buying specifically where it says
3080 is $700
can fit a 240mm liquid freezer for like 10 more if it doesn't fit
@vital warren i can't find this in the search bar lmao
vital warren
arctic liquid freezer
vital warren
where you looking
timber swallow
in pcpp
vital warren
vital warren
i found it on pcpp
vital warren
weird
timber swallow
so maybe it's not compatible?
timber swallow
idk then lmao
vital warren
yeah it's a good aio and affordable
timber swallow
k
foggy hazel
@timber swallow https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yZ2c3t <- worked fine here
@vital warren thats the one you meant right?
vital warren
yep
deep skiff
maximum cooling
foggy hazel
@stoic island was a showcase of adding something specific, read back about 20 sentences and you will see the talk about it :)
stoic island
I mean, didn't know pcpp let you
deep skiff
u can just put it as a custom part too
stoic island
thought it was just somehow glitched
stoic island
yes
foggy hazel
considering the builds we get linked here. Cursed is a apt moniker for it
neat mortar
how do i do it
next kestrel
thats just the pcpp thing
foggy hazel
@neat mortar send me the link, i will post it for you
next kestrel
stoic island
next kestrel
u gotta click of the thing there yea
analog hearth
rookies should be able to post links here now, right?
next kestrel
yeah he just posted the wrong one
foggy hazel
its bugged currently @analog hearth
stoic island
@foggy hazel it didn't get eaten, they sent a pcpp.com/list
analog hearth
bruh
foggy hazel
mike knows about it
neat mortar
analog hearth
ah
neat mortar
ok there
foggy hazel
now it works?
analog hearth
lolll
stoic island
Yes
next kestrel
nice
stoic island
Naed can ya make improvements?
foggy hazel
i have reported a multiple of them in the last 24 hours that did NOT work.
foggy hazel
3600ram, cheaper OS license. is the start
analog hearth
I think it's just links in #building-and-recc-chat that are allowed
stoic island
Cheaper Mobo
next kestrel
thats really good but uhh wait for 3070 instad of 2070 super, get an ATX board if possible, get an ssd
stoic island
Maybe a td500 mesh for case
next kestrel
why only the hdd
stoic island
Ssd
neat mortar
alr thank you
foggy hazel
@neat mortar lets start at the top: Is there any reason for the ITX mainboard?
stoic island
I had this loaded up so here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WssbFG
An example of a better build
neat mortar
that’s not the one i’m getting i just couldn’t find it on part picker
this is the one i’m getting
stoic island
That's a vastly different board
deep skiff
u could get a cheaper mobo
stoic island
Still very expensive
What does that motherboard offer that you want? @neat mortar
I assume you want wifi, but are there any other requirements?
neat mortar
not really i don’t know a lot about pc’s that much so no
stoic island
Sounds like B550m pro-vdh wifi could work for you for much cheaper.
neat mortar
alr
granite delta
stoic island
Lol
Anyways @neat mortar this is how I would say how your list should look
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q4s3V7
Windows 10 key is quite cheap at <10$
And antivirus wise, common sense is best antivirus :D
And something like Malwarebytes free version works just fine for once in a while virus scans
Mcafee just isn't great afaik
cursive wharf
the founder of mcafee is hilarious
by that I mean crazy
seriously go watch a documentary on him
actually interesting
neat mortar
@stoic island alr thank you
neat mortar
idk i’m just trying to figure out what parts i’m going to get first
stoic island
Rtx 3070 is going to be a great option once it starts shipping in like a month
And what's the overall budget and what are you doing with the pc?
These are standard questions I should've asked at the start but now works too :p
neat mortar
1,300 and and i’m just using it for gaming and maybe school
little osprey
Maybe school 😂
If I said that to my parents I'd get hit with the chancla if I said it's only for gaming lol
stoic island
@neat mortar planning on any video editing or like cad?
little osprey
@neat mortar Mr1111 made this list for me and I'm sure you can make some adjustments to your budget
stoic island
I made a list linked above
but I'm just questioning rn to see if they need a 3700x or not
little osprey
Oh I see
stoic island
little osprey
@stoic island is the 3600 good for editing or would I need a 3700x or something?
little osprey
Ight
neon condor
Yes
still roostBOT
Wave#0568 has been warned
proven vessel
Bruh
I wanna be able to run fortnite better i literally run under 60 fps i have a really bad cpu and gpu so what do i need to run 140 fps good
I have like a r9 380 or sum 😖
Also have a intel xeon e5-2620
I dont need any thing to crazy i jus wanna be able to play games:v
little leaf
whats your budget?
little leaf
idk if thats gonna get you far
proven vessel
:v
little leaf
@cursive wharf xeon e5 2620 is like an old i7 right
proven vessel
What even is that for
neon condor
What's the question?
little leaf
looking to upgrade has a xeon e5 2620
neon condor
@proven vessel
If you're really on a budget that low here is the best I can do that will get you the most FPS.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZCBBsk
night iron
How are your temps @neon condor
neon condor
It's a little over your budget but if you want max cheap you can probably find a used RX 570 for $80.
@night iron On what?
That's a broad question.
little leaf
bryce isn't the xeon e5 2620 decent enough for gaming?
night iron
Your build you posted in #build-pics @neon condor
neon condor
@little leaf
Not really. It has super low clock speeds it would be a big bottleneck to any modern gaming GPU.
A 2nd gen I7 would be better than that Xeon for gaming.
little leaf
I mean at this low of a budget I doubt it would bottle neck a 1650s would it?
and he could save the money for a better system
neon condor
The system I posted is good.
little leaf
ik but I just thought you could keep the money and then use it for a better system later
neon condor
It could use an SSD and 16GB of RAM but other than that it could run all modern games at 1080P on high at really great framerates.
stark quail
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0862YHJ56/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 is this a good monitor for the price?
neon condor
I'm on VA va is fine.
stark quail
is there any other monitor thats better for that price?
little leaf
Looks like a good monitor for the price though
stark quail
yeah i want 144hz
neon condor
@stark quail
#old-monitors-and-tv is more the place for this.
But to answer your question yes it's good.
stark quail
oh i didnt know there was a chat for it lmao butyeah thanks
neon condor
Not really that seems like a solid steal.
stark quail
okay thank you
neon condor
No problem. Best of luck to you!
stoic island
@neon condor don't think that's a huge upgrade
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Radeon-R9-380-vs-Radeon-RX-570/3460vs3741
I'd at least go 2x4gb ram, and grab a 256gb ssd tbh
neon condor
Yes that's better.
I just went in PC part picker and choose all the cheapest parts.
His budget is so low.
I figure 8GB so he can't grab another 8GB stick later.
stoic island
I'm still wondering what they already have
neon condor
Then have 16.
stoic island
Bryce. Dual channel memory.
But anyways I'd rather go upgrade his system with this low a budget and not build a new one
frail shuttle
how low is the budget? @stoic island
spiral zealot
Yeah, I'd upgrade. @proven vessel do you know what motherboard you have? You can potentially pick up something like an E5-1650, which is still 6c/12t, but clocks at 3.2ghz base, 3.8 boost, for like $35 on ebay
and then use most of your budget to upgrade the GPU
stoic island
It was 350$
frail shuttle
And whats the purpose of the build?
spiral zealot
Personally, assuming compatibility, I'd grab the E5-1650, make sure you have 16GB RAM, and then spend a chunk of the budget on something like a 1650S or 1660S
then you've got 6c/12t with decent clock speeds, enough RAM and a solid 1080p GPU
stoic island
Upgrade
spiral zealot
but that's just me, and every time i throw out build suggestions, someone comes in and says it's wrong so 🤷
stoic island
I'd do what Chauntalei is saying
:P
I dunno about xeon sockets/chips/ebay pricing
maybe a SSD too if there wasn't one already
spiral zealot
Yeah, definitely an SSD if you don't have one, you can pick up a small one for a boot drive for $20-30
foggy hazel
@frail shuttle arms for monitors should NOT be underestimated for setups like yours :)
as in, looking into how/where to mount
frail shuttle
foggy hazel
because a monitor on a sufficiently long enough arm suddenly can apply a lot of pressure to a given table :)
what i said above was an addition to what you said yourself in #build-pics
above and beyond @frail shuttle
well done :)
frail shuttle
🙂
spiral zealot
@proven vessel - without knowing what motherboard you're on specifically, I can't guarantee CPU compatibility, but this is what I would pick up with your budget - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tG4bNq - and if you don't have 16GB RAM, I would upgrade to that as well.
spiral zealot
He's on an R9 380
And his current xeon is 6c/12t, just low clock speeds, 2.0 base, 2.5 boost
Hence my recommendation to just swap out for a higher clocked 6c/12t xeon, toss in an SSD, and grab something more modern, GPU wise
he's just trying to get decent fortnite FPS at the moment
frail shuttle
and if he waits about a week, i bet 20 series cards will be easy to find for cheap because of the 30 series cards.
spiral zealot
possibly, it's really gonna depend on how much 30 series stock there is for initial purchase
if they move enough cards, you'll see the secondary market flush with 20 series
frail shuttle
Thats true. I want a 3080 which would mean my 2060 is up for sale
foggy hazel
@frail shuttle just a friendly reminder, no selling on this server :)
frail shuttle
Understood @foggy hazel, It was more of a explanation of when people buy the new cards, the 20 series will be abundantly available. Ill keep that in mind to abide by the server rules.
foggy hazel
aye aye, hence the friendly part :)
because your message could either stop where it did or continue into an epic sales pitch :)
frail shuttle
You're absolutely right!
desert gulch
has anyone tried to sell their 2080ti on here?
proven vessel
Idk
mild trout
dont think so but why would you
desert gulch
lol idk
mild trout
just post it to hardware swap
foggy hazel
there is probably a good reason for that
little osprey
r7 3700x or 3800x?
frail shuttle
id wait for zen 3 in october
little osprey
true
frail shuttle
But thats not the question you asked. If its a choice between the two, i would go for the r7 3700x because you get more for your money. The 3800x is 1% better for an extra $40
little osprey
but doesn't Zen 3 need a diif. motherboard?
little osprey
ok
frail shuttle
mine is a b350 so mine will need a new motherboard
little osprey
I have a b 550 so i think im ok
frail shuttle
yes you are. The min requirement for the zen 3 according to what ive researched so far is that it has to be above a 400 series mobo. So a 450, 570, 550, all will be compatible. Ive also heard that the 4000 series that will release in October will be comparable to the 10th gen intel processors so i believe its worth the wait.
little osprey
oh cool!
spiral zealot
Zen 3 will only work on B450 if the manufacturer releases a BIOS update for it. AMD will make the microcode available, but they won't force anyone to implement it.
But B550 and beyond is fine out of the box.
little osprey
@spiral zealot thanks
spiral zealot
It's mainly because it's a memory issue. In order to add Zen 3 support to B450, they have to drop support for other chips as a result. So AMD can't force them to do it.
foggy hazel
there was a "flip/flop" moment about it back in ... may or so
foggy hazel
(mainly to get users to stop whining)
spiral zealot
They'll create the microcode and the manufacturers can choose if they will implement it.
foggy hazel
because it is going to be a mess imo
as in, the upgrading and bios requirements will be a mess to figure out for regular users
spiral zealot
Yep.
spiral zealot
I don't have to worry about the Zen 3 compatibility issue because I'm already on a dead platform. 😄
foggy hazel
but not that version.
Then you that this version, but again, not that one. no no, not that one, THAT! one.
and then you change the cpu itself and hope it works
if not? buy a new board.
frail shuttle
There was a situation beginning of 2019 between me and a buddy who had just built our PCs. He had to borrow my 2600 to update the bios on his motherboard for his 3700 to work. That seems like what will happen from my understanding is you have to have a compatible cpu to update your bios in order to use the new CPUs on that board