building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

amazon only shows up to 12 ft

[dusky hearth]

By testing a different slot or different drive

[dusky hearth]

Ideally, probably something like 16 ft, but yeah it's hard to find premade cables that can go that far

[little osprey]

also my bed is across the room

and i like to lay down so

[dusky hearth]

Oh then you'll probably need much longer then

The valve index has almost a 20ft cable

It's like 19 and a half or smth

[little osprey]

it’s not a big distance but it’s still i’d say like a nice 9 feet away from my desk

actually no shorter

6 feet

[dusky hearth]

You still need cable slack though, especially if you plan to turn around

Even once

[little osprey]

oh, found a 16 ft cable

https://a.co/d/g4xnm8l

looks like it won’t break either if i plan on laying down on my other side either

[dusky hearth]

Not a bad price as long as it works fine which the reviews seen to say it does

[cyan ravine]

A.I is so nice.

[weary galleon]

This is the cable I use

https://www.amazon.com/KIWI-design-Cable-Accessories-Compatible/dp/B0BLVDH7ZV/

Though if you have usbc on your mobo or gpu a C to C cable might be better. This one has served me well though

[tepid meteor]

Did i mess up by going with 5200MHz CL36 ram with a AMD Ryzen 7 9800 x3d?

[tawny violet]

What specific kit is it?

The speeds themselves hardly matter, the chips in the sticks is what matters

[tepid meteor]

i can send you the name of the board and the sticks

[tawny violet]

if it's a Hynix kit you can very easily and safely overclock it to 6000 MT CL30 (which is considered the "ideal" layout)

[tawny violet]

Sure, I can try checking what dies are in it for you

[tulip patrol]

(repost from #cpus-mobo-and-memory): hey guys idk if this is the right place to ask but i recently built a pc with a friend and he keeps getting a DRAM light on his mb, we've changed the ram and it doesn't stop, we tried it all: BIOS reset, changing the ram kit, reseating cpu and nothing worked

[tepid meteor]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-atx-amd-b650-am5/p/N82E16813144557 board

[tawny violet]

could be a dead memory channel, could be a defective CPU, could be dead memory sticks

[tulip patrol]

getting 2 times dead memory sticks would be wild tho

[tawny violet]

try using a different, known working CPU, try using a single known working stick of memory

go through the standard way of troubleshooting

[tawny violet]

so this isn't the first time the board isn't working?

put a different CPU in it

mem controller could be kaput

[tulip patrol]

yeah we had another kit before

[tawny violet]

or one of the channels is just borked on the board, which would need RMA

[tulip patrol]

thing is we got no cpu around

[tepid meteor]

same stuff came up

[tulip patrol]

only one i got is an athlon from 2009 😭

[tawny violet]

buy a 7500F from Aliexpress ig

[tawny violet]

what memory do you use?

that matters more than the board

[weary galleon]

Sounds like they tried 2 completely different kits, so I'd guess it's the motherboard. Or maybe cpu

[potent portal]

How long are you waiting when the memory light comes on? It can take 5-10 minutes to train the memory on the first boot, especially if you got an older BIOS version

[tulip patrol]

well my friend let it run for about 20 mins and still nothing, kept rebooting every 5 mins and we used Q flash plus to update before

[cyan ravine]

Oh I think I know what this is

[cyan ravine]

Dammit he beat me to it

[potent portal]

Have you tried one stick of memory at a time, and if it doesn't work try another slot on another channel?

[tulip patrol]

that too

[potent portal]

You have? Ok that would rule out bad slots and channels

[cyan ravine]

Dead chip for sure then

Or horrendous mount

[potent portal]

Or dead mobo/bad socket

A single slightly bent pin in the wrong spot can ruin your day

[cyan ravine]

My money is on the chip tho as AMD cpus have a tendency to turn up just randomly doa or somehow unstable

See it rarely in their gpus too

[tulip patrol]

might just change the cpu & mb at the same time

2 birds with one stone

[cyan ravine]

I'd take it in, get the chip tested in the store you bought it from

[potent portal]

That sounds like a microcenter combo board so if you have one of those nearby they'll help troubleshoot too

[cyan ravine]

Odds are they'd know in 15 minutes

[tepid meteor]

cant find it on newegg

[tawny violet]

Just tell me the name lol

[tepid meteor]

but i found a way im gonna buy a set of ne sticks

[tawny violet]

Or rather the string of letters and numbers on the sticker on one of the sticks

[tepid meteor]

imma look up the name

Kingston 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 5200MHz CL36 FURY Be

Im just gonna have to oc my board and get a new pair of sticks to match with my cpu

i use the ryzen 7 9800 x3d

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt grab these

Slow ram

I'd aim for 5600+ cl32 or lower

[tepid meteor]

found 6000mhz cl30

[analog hearth]

Go for it

[tepid meteor]

thanks again guys!

[potent portal]

smh can't believe we're still recommending 6000c30 when everyone knows the 9800X3D supports 8000c36 ||/s||

[crimson zinc]

[dim forge]

anyone smart and kind enough to help me get my audio back?

I am apparently too dumb

[lone flame]

how do i make this go away whatever school account is logged in i dont have access to anymore

[potent portal]

Delete the account

You can try changing it into a local account if that's not an option
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-from-a-local-account-to-a-microsoft-account-395203bf-9f1b-eb24-b042-5b8dae6c1d20

[lone flame]

like delete it from the pc?

[analog hearth]

yeah

[lone flame]

omg all i had to do this whole time was just disconnect it

[analog hearth]

bruh

[lone flame]

ive deadass been clicking not now for the past 3 months

and made it a habit

💀

[analog hearth]

The type of customer to walk into an IT department's front desk

(I would know because I work in IT lol)

[lone flame]

my dad does idk how he has the patience to do it

[analog hearth]

you just get used to it tbh

waiting for the user to figure it out are the best tickets

ngl most of the time I just walk to the user and give them a small push by saying "click this" and then they'll slowly figure out the rest

[cerulean plume]

if i was to upgrade my ryzen 7 3700x what should I upgrade to

i have a 6600 rn

[lone flame]

depends on your budget for both for cpu/gpu, and what you'd be upgrading your 3700x to

[analog hearth]

you could get a top-end AM4 CPU and save money or you could platform swap to AM5 with as low-end as a 7600X and 32GB

[lone flame]

^

[analog hearth]

idk those might be the same price idk haven't checked prices in a while

[lone flame]

5700x3D could be an upgrade since 5800x3D is basically oos iirc

[cerulean plume]

between the two should I upg the gpu or cpu first

[analog hearth]

CPU

Wait for new GPUs to release (should be within a couple months from now if these two red and green idiots get it together)

[plucky timber]

5700x3d isn't too expensive

[plucky timber]

what's your current specs and budget for upgrade?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JVsGwg

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YZ6B4M

what is your current power supply btw?

[plucky timber]

Damn #building-and-recc-chat dead today

[analog hearth]

@cyan ravine Quick question. Idk if you remember when we were discussing my Intel side build and how we were discussing AIOs (it was when I was joking about the ROG AIO lol). It was either this one or another one you said was bad. I can't remember. So, what about this one? Suggestions on another if this one is a bad AIO?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F9kH99/thermalright-frozen-infinity-360-argb-689-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-infinity-360-white

I just forgot whether I changed the AIO to the good one you suggested when we were talking about it lol

Gonna ask for some parts for Christmas lol

[cyan ravine]

Any other thermalright is better but if you love the looks it's not bad

[analog hearth]

This will be going in an Asus Prime AP201 without the glass side panel so looks won't matter much (apparently it supports a 360mm)

[cyan ravine]

Then any of the other 360mm ones or even 240mm if the cpu isn't really 360 worthy

[analog hearth]

This will be for a 13700K. idk if a 240mm would be good enough lol

so 280mm or 360mm imo

I like hefty cooling

280mm AIOs are expensive though wtf

[cyan ravine]

360mm then

[rain carbon]

you can never have too much cooling

unless youre way in the negatives

then maybe you have too much cooling

[analog hearth]

hmmmm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cdP8TW/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-360-a-rgb-4882-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00152a

[cyan ravine]

No

[analog hearth]

darn

[cyan ravine]

FX360 pro or thermalright any 360mm

Pick another and I'll start bullying ur focus

[rain carbon]

oOoOoOo pick the rgb WoOoOoOo

[cyan ravine]

LF3 is crap on intel

[rain carbon]

intel is crap

[cyan ravine]

The fix is to burn the mount they ship with it literally

[rain carbon]

until they fix heat issues

[cyan ravine]

And make a new one

That's the only successful LF3 I've seen to date

A life hack lah ass LF3 with a fake mount

[analog hearth]

I think I have this one on my gf's parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YXFmP6/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-white-v3

[cyan ravine]

Solid

Frozen edge would be the goat

[rain carbon]

just get one that works well if you have no side panel lmao

side glass*

[analog hearth]

yeah but I'll probably reuse it later in a build. Much later down the road but the case is also white. I'd prefer to otherwise stick with the aesthetics

[cyan ravine]

Aqua V3 is good

[analog hearth]

Plus I'm asking for it for Christmas. So basically free to me

[cyan ravine]

I swear to god if this turns into a strix cooler somehow

[analog hearth]

💀

[rain carbon]

i should just ask for a million dollars for christmas ong

santas got my back

[analog hearth]

nah I only stick to Asus or it's a GPU or motherboard. Or if it's an AP201

[tawny violet]

Wait how

What's wrong with the mount?

[golden quartz]

Hello. Grodd is back 🙂

[golden quartz]

What a burn! 🙂

[rain carbon]

grodd pinged me to say that

🥲

[golden quartz]

Yes. Thought that was funny since you said there was heat issues

[cyan ravine]

Proprietary mount, results in garbage pressure dispersion, leads to bad temps (And often poor pin pressure mounts like early contact frames)

You can't just not use it either, the frame is integrated into the lga1700 mount

So you need a custom fit mount to bypass it

[rain carbon]

when the 100 dollar box doesnt do its one job

[tawny violet]

Wow that's

Uncharacteristic for Arctic

They usually make pretty good stuff

[rain carbon]

No tech company is free of their sins

[cyan ravine]

It's tied best for AM5 which is so unusual as well

If you manage to ditch the proprietary mount then you can get top tier LGA1700 temps as well

And consequentially LGA1851

[tawny violet]

Nice

[small hamlet]

Hey everyone, I ordered the Corsair RM750e and I was wondering if I can use the cables that came with it until the white Corsair custom cables I ordered come in. It says the customs are compatible with my PSU. But was wondering if I can swap them when the new ones come in

[pseudo pollen]

You absolutely can 👍

[weary galleon]

felix how many times have you changed pfp and nickname in the past couple weeks?

[small hamlet]

Thank you!

[pseudo pollen]

No problem

[gentle pollen]

I am quite curious. What setup do you guys run? @mossy venture, @potent portal, @wide sparrow

[potent portal]

My PC is in my bio

[wide sparrow]

5800x3d/3080ti

I'm going to skip 5000 series

[gentle pollen]

Epic setups.

[gentle pollen]

May I ask why? I am curious.

[weary galleon]

chances of 5000 series being good value 📉

[gentle pollen]

Congratulations on the CPU upgrade.

Fal'cie, You had a 5800X before if I recall right?

[potent portal]

That was out of necessity, MSI killed my 5800X that I was perfectly happy with

[gentle pollen]

May it rest in peace. Did you give it a memorial?

[wide sparrow]

I need to prioritize my money to more important things

[potent portal]

It rests in pieces with the motherboard

[wide sparrow]

I like my current setup

Even though I can't do path tracing

[gentle pollen]

Fair. I know that feeling all to well these past couple of years. Every time I managed to save up 2-3 grand I ended up having hospital expenses come up that's screwed me over from getting any pc upgrades.

[wide sparrow]

Not happening

[gentle pollen]

Remember when the 4090 came out? I had finally saved up enough then had to move homes and go to the hospital shortly after.

[dusk crag]

got a question
my virtual memory is at 4800
and my gta keeps crashing saying game memory error

[potent portal]

When a midrange GPU can do path tracing at 1440p high/ultra without dlss I'll upgrade

[dusk crag]

i have 32gb of ram, i have mods installed everythings installed but idk what to do

im just tryna run my gta mods

[gentle pollen]

Does it work without the mods?

[dusk crag]

uh good question, ill remove the mods folder and see

[weary galleon]

without dlss
You and i both, huffing that hopium

[wide sparrow]

That sucks. Life throws curve balls at all of us.

[potent portal]

GTA with mods crashing is nothing new tbh

[gentle pollen]

I mod games quite often (spent 9 hours making a modpack lastnight for minecraft) and usually memory errors come from a mod breaking the game rather than a hardware issue..

[analog hearth]

"Virtual memory" do you mean RAM?

[dusk crag]

nah just idk why im gettin a game memory issue

[wide sparrow]

Smarttt

[dusk crag]

uh idrk it says game memory error

[potent portal]

That's more likely your vram

[dusk crag]

doesnt run without mods either

[gentle pollen]

Yep. Good news is this time around, work has been going well for me and my medical expenses aren't as bad anymore. So all goes well I should have 2.5-3 saved up for when 5000 series comes out. I plan to try and snag a 5090, psu, and a monitor ideally.

[weary galleon]

huh?

[gentle pollen]

huh?

[potent portal]

Verify your game files and update your GPU drivers. If it's up to date already, roll back a version.

[wide sparrow]

damn. Cant wait to see what you get

[dusk crag]

if i verify wont it delete my game version

[gentle pollen]

I am looking forward to it

It shall be the day I finally play above FHD.

[weary galleon]

oh?

[potent portal]

You'll have to install the mods again but that's it

[dusk crag]

rolled back a few versions bc scripthookv isnt up 2 date with the latest gta

[weary galleon]

Something about sending [Valve's game launcher]community dot com is deleting my messages for language btw

[gentle pollen]

I have played on QHD displays and Mac Retina displays but on hardware that can't run those displays (old low-end laptops) making it ultimately pointless.. So I am looking forward to trying out a good QHD or UHD monitor at high frames

[dusk crag]

no idea if this changes anythin

[gentle pollen]

@potent portal, @wide sparrow do you think I can snag a good OLED +144hz monitor for about $500 and a good 1,000 watt PSU for like $100 come Christmas/Hanukkah sales?

[wide sparrow]

HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[weary galleon]

mods? any idea what's going on

[dusk crag]

steam?

[weary galleon]

ok that's safe then

[gentle pollen]

I am expecting a 5090 to cost between $1,799-1,899 which would fit $600 for a good monitor and psu assuming I come up with 2.5K rather than 3k for the holidays.

[dusk crag]

sum ppl said to get a new gameconfig

i shall try

[weary galleon]

what makes you think that when 4090's are like $2300

[wide sparrow]

ATM....550 is the lowest

for 27 inch 240hz

[elfin flame]

Paper launch

Ofc actual sales will be different story

[gentle pollen]

Call it a hunch but mine are usually right.

[elfin flame]

Good luck getting an FE at launch

[gentle pollen]

Right now people are jacking up the prices of 4090 because there are people who either are buying it as a Holiday gift and folks who simply don't know better than to wait till after next gen launch for a cheaper 4090.

[weary galleon]

Pretty sure 4090s have been over 2k for quite a while

[elfin flame]

It'll be awhile for 4090/4080Super prices to drop when 50 series launches.

[gentle pollen]

It was like last week that I saw 4090 still at $1,800 for a AIB model.

Was a Asus Tuf if I recall.

I have been stalking amazon lmao.

4080 Super for $1k.
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-D40820D-10P/dp/B0CSBDFS55/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1LOYI5UDJV4MT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._oiuEPk9npgKhWbgc474q1tr2M-8DqoTfrqmDfo5Ygiy-4ifVbqfcjJ1anlWecyuiOqN6eyF42vX1ViuLW-S7tALzIhOGRtwDnWuic2EL6uf-gAq-ROED758nWKMj3DTnCxP5PfSla52rxaVUNtcri-A3XRMGCeFAuwLcbw0fbZQfIbB5wipyYaZNUMeOJuNOSWBdesNoiaU41fmlkHJvsOrSt_Ytu_wGhopMwHqh5I.a236Fx-c3JAAVCiWCQolfvSltdv4szU3K-RKNfyvC5Q&dib_tag=se&keywords=4080&qid=1733947878&sprefix=4080%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-3

[elfin flame]

Would rather pay $820 for a 7900XTX

[gentle pollen]

For gaming exclusively I would agree.

[elfin flame]

Even for video editing and some workstation tasks, AMD still performs well

Blender

Example

If you were doing anything ML/AI development on a "budget", then yea, I'd argue NVIDIA

[weary galleon]

yeah nvidia is still pretty far ahead for AI

[elfin flame]

But everything else, you wouldn't be missing much performance going with AMD

[elfin flame]

Them CUDA cores ong

[gentle pollen]

I use Blender for modelling and rendering.

With the release of the mod Nvidium for Minecraft, if I want massive render distances at good frames (I do), Nvidia GPUs are my only bet.

Note, I also am invested in Nvidia so I do admittedly have some bias towards it.

[weary galleon]

ok yeah nvidium is pretty sweet

[elfin flame]

It all depends on what you're doing

[gentle pollen]

Agreed.

[weary galleon]

no shaders with nvidium though :(

[gentle pollen]

I do usually recommend AMD gpus to my friends who are just gaming.

[gentle pollen]

They added support recently

I have yet to try it myself though.

[weary galleon]

uhh

I thought it like wasn't possible

[gentle pollen]

Sasquast or smth did a video on it.

[elfin flame]

I reference puget system's benchmark lookup tool for a lot of relative GPU performance numbers

[weary galleon]

Are you sure it isn't like Distant horizons?

[gentle pollen]

Shoot sorry, I got the mods mixed up.

[weary galleon]

yup

[gentle pollen]

Distant Horizons is the one.

I wonder if Crypto Mining would be effective now especially if you use a Solar Panel to produce the power used.

[weary galleon]

Both Nvidium and iris devs have said shaders aren't planned to come to nvidium

[elfin flame]

I'm gonna stay with my current system for eons, gonna be too busy with work anyway to bother upgrading for all but the 4-5 games I play nowadays kek

[weary galleon]

would probably make more money sellijng the nergy back to the util company lol

once ETH went proof of stake mining kinda died

[gentle pollen]

xD guess that all depends on how valuable btc becomes I suppose. I bought in at 36k, unfortunately I had to sell when hospital bills came up. Recently bought back in at around 90.

[elfin flame]

[dusk crag]

figured out the issue was a graphics back lmfao

[bold turret]

Hello I just got 2 new monitor same brand and model I have installed drivers changed fps and done the monitors settings anything else I should do ?

[potent portal]

Enable variable refresh rate, could also be called gsync or freesync, and you need to do it in both the monitor settings and the driver settings

[bold turret]

Where would I find that on the monitor display settings or some where in the pc settings

[potent portal]

It'll be both in the monitor OSD settings and in your nvidia or amd control panel

[bold turret]

kk

[little osprey]

@wary tundra what is the build specs you posted, specifically the case

[jaunty acorn]

anyone know what causes spiking of response time on a HDD

the response time goes from 100 ish to 1500+ on average

[dusky hearth]

maybe try defragging the hdd

but this is kinda typical with hdds

while doing data transfers at least

[jaunty acorn]

I ran the analyzer and it was at 19% fragmentation

[potent portal]

Yeah that'll do it lol. Ideally you'd keep it below 3%.

[jaunty acorn]

am I able to do things on my computer while its defragmenting or is that not advised

[potent portal]

You can but it might lag a bit

[jaunty acorn]

alright thanks

[dusky hearth]

wow

19 is higher than i've seen lol

or at least of what i remember seeing

i might have had worse back before i learned about defragmentation

which was back before i even got into pc building and such so it would have been like

[potent portal]

The last time I saw it that bad was back before Windows 7 started automatically doing it when the PC is idle

[dusky hearth]

12 years ago maybe

[potent portal]

Oh and it does get worse when a drive is very full because it needs to start breaking up the data to get it to fit, which also makes it a pain to defrag because there's not much room to piece it together again

[crimson zinc]

I used to defrag every week
Not sure why I did that, not knowing what it did

[dusky hearth]

i did it practically every week as well

lol

it was purely in hopes that it would keep my pc from getting slower

[mossy lion]

i was wondering if someone can help me with a recent issue my pc is having

[crimson zinc]

I had no idea what it did

[dusky hearth]

i tried every youtube trick that the algo recommended to me to attempt to squeeze even a teeny tiny bit more performance out of my slow ass computer

asides from overclocking

somehow didnt get any overclocking content (though probably a good thing)

[dusky hearth]

!ask

[still roost]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[mossy lion]

so all of sudden i started getting blue screens, and any games i try to load will just close on my. The only recent change i made was my ram. Also having issues with downloading a new windows update other then that nothing else has changed

[mossy venture]

what ram change

ram is very sensetive

[mossy lion]

would you like to know what i had before or what i have now?

[mossy venture]

both, and what cpu and mobo you have

[mossy lion]

so before i was using OLOy ND4U1632161DJ0DA 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

i switched it to Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory

[plucky timber]

NO

[mossy venture]

corsair

it's always the vengeance

ALWAYS

[plucky timber]

I WAS GOING TO CALL IT

i was like "wait did he upgrade to vengence?"

i saw that from a mile away

[mossy lion]

cpu is AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor

mobo is Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard

[mossy venture]

corsair has quality control issues with their ram where they mix dies from different manufacturers in the same kit

[plucky timber]

you should switch back to your old ram kit

[mossy venture]

go back to the 3200c16 kit and return the 3600 kit

its faulty

[mossy lion]

ok i wasn't sure if that was an issue i felt it was but i rather ask someone who is more knowledge then i am

[mossy venture]

i also wouldn't bother spending the money for the upgrade

it's less than a 5% difference for most people

[plucky timber]

would it even be 5% tho

[mossy venture]

id rather save the money for a full platform upgrade down the line

[mossy lion]

well to be honest i wasn't trying to really upgrade i just wanted to change my ram to have RGB

from this chat i was recommend to change my ram to TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR4 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz (PC4-28800) CL18 Desktop Gaming Memory Module Ram TF4D432G3600HC18JDC01 - White

but it was out of stock and i didn't want to wait so i just got this new one

[mossy venture]

i wouldn't even bother swapping from the 3200mhz kit unless it's higher than cl16

[potent portal]

*lower
CAS is confusing

[elfin flame]

It comes back for vengeance

[plucky timber]

It's surprisingly nobody's came after corsair yet

with how long they've been making faulty ram

[mossy lion]

Well this may sound silly and stubborn but what would be a good ram that has rbg then?

[dusky hearth]

honestly speaking, less confusing than american wire gauge

why the hell are smaller numbers a bigger diameter

[potent portal]

Bigger number smaller wire

[dusky hearth]

32awg is like tiny

[plucky timber]

any brand that isn't corsair tbh

[dusky hearth]

1awg is like thicker than my thumb

[plucky timber]

usually the cheapest non corsair kit will always be better

[potent portal]

There's also 0000 AWG

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurai-excited-happy-this-isnt-how-you-supposed-to-play-the-game-play-the-game-gif-15161132

[plucky timber]

corsair really is just that bad

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7hRwrH/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-su032gxlzu360bddsn

[potent portal]

https://www.batterycablesusa.com/0000-gauge-battery-cable-red-4-0-awg?srsltid=AfmBOoq_xqNOAClajT5_ly7632RiR-uLW5Z8QGYDuTxKc-E-1HDWrUdB

1 inch thick wire

[mossy lion]

Any in white 😁

[dusky hearth]

i've seen electricians wrangling this type of cable x4 due to 3 phase + neutral and it looks like a damn workout lmao

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZRpmP6/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf4d432g3600hc18jdc01

white tax

[dusky hearth]

i dont doubt it's a workout either due to it being solid copper

heavy as heck

[potent portal]

Solid copper would be insane, it's stranded at least

[dusky hearth]

lol

[potent portal]

Each strand is as thick as a PSU cable though

[dusky hearth]

i could oly imagine the equipment required to bend 1 inch solid copper

you'd need a whole hydraulic press

honestly would be quite hard to bend without breaking it (well, not really i guess, since there would be math to figure out the minimum bend radius)

[cyan ravine]

Did someone say minimum radius

[dusky hearth]

no

i think you heard wrong

[cyan ravine]

Oh

WHAT?

[mossy lion]

Thank you 😁

[cyan ravine]

DID YOU SAY SOMETHING?

[dusky hearth]

IS SOMEBODY THERE

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/hearing-aids-gif-581239357597644128

[mossy lion]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-yes-what-funny-cant-hear-you-gif-14240238

[zenith cargo]

@dusky hearth bro still waiting for the dac to come in 💀

[dusky hearth]

Lmao

[tidal sky]

I have hyte y60 base but the bottom has intake fans is that fine with the only place having intake fans or should I put more in the back there

[plucky timber]

it would help airflow

[little osprey]

Shhh its all i could afford

[dusky hearth]

You downgraded your ram for RGB

[little osprey]

Nah actually they aren't RGB

[elfin flame]

There are cheaper options than corsair that would've been better lol

Silicon Power as posted above

[cyan ravine]

@elfin flame

!!!!

B580

FASS

GUD

SLIGHTLY WONK BUT GUD

[elfin flame]

Expected for day 1 ye

For problems

[cyan ravine]

True

I realllyyy want one now

[elfin flame]

But good to see they've learned from Arc

Kek

[cyan ravine]

Huge improvement

[elfin flame]

Thankfully, the driver team LEARNED

[elfin flame]

Gonna buy one

[cyan ravine]

I might for my ITX project

[elfin flame]

No no, I'm buying one

You aren't

You beggar

[cyan ravine]

[crimson zinc]

Welcome to the group

[wide sparrow]

microATX builb soon...

[dusky hearth]

Builb

[tulip dragon]

i am running a ryzen 7 3700x on a b550-f gaming motherboard with a 3080 should i upgrade my cpu and motherboard or just hold off for one more year? also i play at 1080p nothing higher

[dusky hearth]

I don't think you need to upgrade

If you find a 5700x3d for like 180 that might be a good upgrade

Assuming that you're being cpu limited

Or a different upgrade you could do is to get a 1440p monitor

[little osprey]

Lmao tell me how bad my pc is

[dusky hearth]

[little osprey]

Motherboard: b650 aorus elite ax v2
Cpu: ryzen 7700
Gpu: 4060 ti
Ram: 64 GB total vengeance DDR5
Memory: Samsung 2TB 990 pro
Cooling: corsair H100x rgb elite

[dusky hearth]

"bad"

[little osprey]

I thought it was wacky

I kind threw everything together

I'm new to pc building

[dusky hearth]

I mean, it probably wasn't the best value build but it's not "bad"

[little osprey]

I feel like there might be bottle necks everywhere tho

[brazen peak]

My pc is having weird internet issues, and all of the sudden roblox has bad fps issues, brawlhalla constantly goes in and out with the internet, changed my internet router but smae thing, its not my internet because my phone and ps5 doesn't do this, and I've no clue how to fix it

[dusky hearth]

I thought you were going to write the specs of an old PC
Like my old PC is bad
It had a Pentium 4, 2 sticks of 512mb ram, and a 40gb hdd

[little osprey]

OH

[dusky hearth]

Ddr2

[little osprey]

Nah I just think my pc is kinda a bad build

Wanna know how to make it better

[dusky hearth]

Is it a build you have currently

Or is this a parts list you want to buy

[little osprey]

Build i have currently

I built it last year

[pseudo arrow]

Hello there, currently looking to upgrade my current build. Just not sure if I should upgrade just the processor or the entire motherboard as well and switch to AMD

[dusky hearth]

then you dont really have to change anything currently at least tbh

[dusky hearth]

if you arent running into any performance issues then i wouldnt upgrade tbh

[pseudo arrow]

No major performance issues just yet, but I'm running a 10600k and am seeing it no longer meets recommended requirements for some newer games.

[dusky hearth]

Some newer games are just

Unoptimized

For hardware that most people have

[pseudo arrow]

Alright, so processor shouldn't be an issue for a bit then?

[dusky hearth]

I would upgrade the entire mobo though, nothing worth upgrading to for the chipset and socket you have on your mobo

Yeah you should be able to hold up for a while longer imo, though if you want to upgrade, am5 is where you should upgrade to

[pseudo arrow]

Alright, thanks for the help.

[potent portal]

Make sure the firmware is updated on that 990 Pro or you won't have a 990 Pro soon (because a bug kills them)

[little osprey]

Oh oops

[little osprey]

Oh really?

[potent portal]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-firmware-update-released-ssd-health

[celest horizon]

Crazy how samsung killed their rep of reliability through those problems

easy fix, but still, can't imagine the normies know about it

[cyan ravine]

It was also the fact they didn't replace a bunch of them

I think that was the real nail in the coffin

Along with, at the time Louis Rossman flaming them for a repairman knifing a customer tv to void a warranty

[potent portal]

Yes the refusal to honor warranty for what is ostensibly a firmware issue is scummy af

[cyan ravine]

Samsung has a long line of dodgy warranty policy

They've rejected phones for trade ins because of "Paint scratches" or "OS not wiped"

Or you get them extremely undervalued on their trade ins because of such

Samsung really gets way too much love for what is some of the worst backend support I've ever read about

[potent portal]

Not just him but people with even more followers

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[elfin flame]

As do many companies tho

it's not like Samsung is an outlier

[cyan ravine]

Can we link that? He normally swears lmao

[potent portal]

That doesn't mean we have to put up with it

[cyan ravine]

Louis has a family friendly version

[potent portal]

I'll check the transcript lol

[elfin flame]

ASUS for starters

[potent portal]

Yeah good call

[cyan ravine]

It's not but the sheer volume of complaints flown Samsung's way impresses me that they don't get put on nearly as much notice for it

[potent portal]

But Louis has been caring a lot less about his swearing too lol, it's not like his channel is advertiser friendly anyway

[elfin flame]

And what are we to do? All of these companies continue to see demand anyway, and a small group of people in a sea of many people who are ignorant, willfully or not, aren't suddenly going to jump aboard

[potent portal]

Vote with your wallet and spread the word, sadly all we can do right now

[cyan ravine]

Fair but I'm fairly sure this was before that

Samsung alone has me like on edge if anything breaks lmfao

[elfin flame]

I am for consumer rights and protections, but it's like with other recent news (iykyk), being angry ain't doing nothing if nobody wants to use that anger appropriately

[cyan ravine]

I do full tests of everything

Like colours, white/black, serial, full video of the state of the product

I take no chances

[cyan ravine]

Oath

But my way is to just to basically never recommend samsung

I may once or twice with an odyssey, that's all

[potent portal]

It was not, he specifically calls the tech a "weasel ass B-" lol

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok

I didn't remember that

Likely because he just rambles

Lol

The buildzoid of the monitor world

[potent portal]

His voice blends into the background so you only hear half of what he says

[elfin flame]

Fair enough, I still go with model over brand despite brand sentiments

But no, I don't usually say go Samsung anyway

Phones sure, but everything else meh

[potent portal]

They're often more expensive than the alternative anyway so it's easy to avoid

[elfin flame]

Yes

M482 Eco-pack 2TB for $90 was very based

[cyan ravine]

It's the same reason people avoid gigabyte but gigabyte's never been this bad

That said, samsung sells way more

But that doesn't make either party less guilty (Disclaimer: gigabyte usa specifically is bad)

[elfin flame]

I personally do not like Gigabyte and won't buy from them

But I recommend stuff from them still anyway

[cyan ravine]

They're a lot better here

[elfin flame]

I admit to having bias towards MSI despite my RMA fun times with them

[potent portal]

We've come full circle to where assrock is now a decent brand again and everyone else sucks

[elfin flame]

Ong

[plucky timber]

Oh yeah asrock used to be bad

2017 was ages ago

[cyan ravine]

Lol true

[analog hearth]

Their best motherboard I’ve used was their AB350 Pro4. Everything else has been mid

I also have a B450m Steel Legend. Okay mobo for a home server but I wouldn't use that as a daily client PC

[potent portal]

I have a B650 livemixer and it's the best motherboard I've owned for what I paid. All the I/O that I need, plenty of M.2, etc., and the BIOS is pretty easy to use and stable. It was cheap because people don't like the paint splatter color scheme but it looks fine in my mostly blacked out build. My only complaint is that the on board RGB doesn't play nice with openrgb.

[weary galleon]

Only issue I've had with my x570 phantom gaming was the chipset fan dying 💀
Though when I contacted them they pretty much immediately sent a replacement fan no questions asked which I appreciate.

^bought it before b550 was released

[analog hearth]

that LiveMixer looks sick

Looks wild
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B650 LiveMixer/Specification.asp

[cerulean plume]

If I just got a pc from Jawa what are some key things I should check before I turn it on

[potent portal]

Screws can come loose during shipping so make sure everything is in place

[silent olive]

Where do I go about buying a 4090 these days? I see stuff ranging from $1800-$3500

And a lot of out of stock

[analog hearth]

Well I got news for you bro. It ain't great (not by a long shot) but it's some news

I see [4090s] ranging from $1800-$3500
Believe it or not, that's their normal price

And a lot of out of stock
iirc I think they ended the 4090's production to prepare for 5000 series

[silent olive]

Yeah I saw the latter part, I just finally got the money for a whole new build and decided to pull the trigger now. Not going to wait for 5000 series. As for the former though, I don't understand how some vendors have the same part new for nearly twice as much as other vendors.

At this point am I just stuck with whoever has it in stock for whatever price they list you think?

[coarse coral]

Whatever is remaining in stock or gambling on used market

Wouldn't buy one past 2k tho

[analog hearth]

Just get a 4080 Super. It'll last a few years

Or if you already have a PC, just wait

[tawny violet]

4080 Super is really all you could need unless you ABSOLUTELY want to get your wallet railed

[lilac tinsel]

im tryna replace my cpu rn and don't know if i should go with something like an i5 12400f or a ryzen 5 5600x, its a low budget build but im trying to get the best value here

[analog hearth]

Stretch it to a 5700X3D

[lilac tinsel]

don't really have a set budget but the lowest price "new" components would be best, this includes whichever ends out with the best price/performance including the motherboard/cooler

[weary galleon]

are you making a new build or just upgrading?

[lilac tinsel]

i have an rx 6600, isn't that a bit overkill?

[tawny violet]

Absolutely not

It's actually able to get more performance out of your existing GPU in some cases

[weary galleon]

ehh

6600 not very likely to be cpu bound

[tawny violet]

5700X3D will be a great thing for you
You can use that for several later GPU upgrades

[tawny violet]

Min framerates tho

[lilac tinsel]

i currently have an i5 9600K but it broke after i bent a lot of pins so just looking for something equal or better

[weary galleon]

see that changes things

[lilac tinsel]

pins on the motherboard that is, which is not worth replacing for a cpu that costs as much

[tawny violet]

Alright so

What's your budget and how likely are you to upgrade the CPU later?

[lilac tinsel]

im a pretty casual gamer and would at most play light titles, my current gpu satisfies me enough so i need the bare minimum for workloads that doesn't freeze as much as my 9600K did

so probably won't replace it for a few years

[tawny violet]

Or rather
How much do you care that it's the most modern chip with a lot of upgrade path

Also where do you live?

[lilac tinsel]

i don't mind it being on an older platform or not upgrading it

romania/europe

[tawny violet]

Alright then

I'd look at either a 13400 with a B760 motherboard, or a 5700X3D with a B450 or B550 motherboard

B760 boards are available both in DDR4 and DDR5 types, while the 5700X3D would definitely need DDR4

You should already have DDR4 memory cuz that's what the old system used

How much memory do you have?

[lilac tinsel]

alr well the prices here for a 5700x3d is around 230$ and for a 13400F it's 158$, so it's quite a big difference

[lilac tinsel]

yeah my current memory is pretty garbage so i would probably replace it too, i got 16 2666 mhz

[tawny violet]

Oh

Yeah you might want an upgrade there

Although

If you can give a total budget you want to spend on it
We can see if we can squeeze in a newer platform

Y'know see what's possible

Give it in your own currency

Since that's what you'd shop in anyway

[lilac tinsel]

my budget would've been around 300$ or so for both the motherboard and cpu, which is around the price of the 13400F with a b series mb

but of course the cheaper the better

[tawny violet]

Romanian prices are not the same as US prices

[lilac tinsel]

yeah, sometimes we have really good deals on expensive stuff and the other way around, it would be 1400 RON

[tawny violet]

You might wanna check because US prices are generally lower than Europe

Your best bet could unironically be buying used

But I dunno the used market there

[lilac tinsel]

really sadly it's almost non existent as it's usually scalpers or people selling really used components/mined

[silent olive]

I absolutely want to get my wallet railed. I can afford it so I shall lol

[lilac tinsel]

found a MSI PRO B760M-P at 90$, don't know if it's a good deal or not in the states lol but seems alr for the build, any red flags?

[tawny violet]

Not the right person to say cuz I don't really have the confidence with this

Bacca, Felix or the other yellows can probably pitch in to help
I also needs to sleep

[lilac tinsel]

alr ty for the help

[potent portal]

That is by no means a good motherboard but it should be ok with a 13400

Just don't expect to be able to upgrade it to anything else

[lilac tinsel]

what would be a better motherboard for around the same price bracket, and what would be the difference, just upgradability?

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/tGmmP6,WbyH99

[lilac tinsel]

cause of the ddr5?

[potent portal]

It's upgradeability as well as features. And yes DDR5 is much better.

[shut rampart]

how much does 6700xt go for

[potent portal]

New or used?

[shut rampart]

used

trying to sell my

[potent portal]

$250-280 on ebay

[potent portal]

@lilac tinsel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c2XwzP
https://www.ebay.com/itm/167172588455
Used CPU saves a few bucks and gets you the iGPU, which is useful for troubleshooting or a secondary monitor.

It's quite hard to kill a locked CPU so it's pretty safe to get used

[lilac tinsel]

i mean i've had an f variant with every cpu ever and also have a spare gpu and 1 monitor, wouldn't it be better to save some of the money even for a used f variant?

[potent portal]

That's the thing, this is still cheaper than getting a new 13400F by $22

There isn't any used 13400F currently listed on ebay that's cheaper

[lilac tinsel]

oh yeah you're right

but is lga1700 better long term than am4? i've also seen that am4 motherboards are a lot cheaper and also offer ddr5 at those prices

[potent portal]

Both are dead platforms, there's no "long term" for either one

And there is no DDR5 on AM4

[pseudo forge]

Hello chat

What AMD CPU/MOBO does someone recommend with a 4080. Looking to get 200FPS on 1440p low mainly on warzone

ATM have a 5600x with my 4080

[potent portal]

What budget do you have?

[analog hearth]

7600X minimum and whatever motherboard

[pseudo forge]

Sorta wanna save as much money as I can. Just want 200fps on warzone 1440p

[potent portal]

The 7600X as motor suggested gets 211 at 1440p low, the 7700X gets 223

[pseudo forge]

Is the performance between the 7800x and 7800x3d worth the price difference

[potent portal]

There is no 7800X

[pseudo forge]

What about a mobo

Would I need to get new RAM TOO?

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kXWht3

[pseudo forge]

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-eight-core-5-0ghz-asus-rog-strix-b650-a-gaming-wifi-ddr5-atx-motherboard-cpu-bundle.html?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nhBe-nZJoWoCbttUN0fi7Bzofu

Is this a good deal

[potent portal]

Ah UK, that changes a few things

[pseudo forge]

Yep

[mossy venture]

5700x3d would be semi reasonable with a 4080

It'll still limit it, but it matches the 7600/x

[potent portal]

No, not for 600 pounds before you add the memory

Not remotely good

[pseudo forge]

The products are good tho?

[potent portal]

Yes

[analog hearth]

I have that board. I wouldn't pay the USD equivalent for it though

[potent portal]

7800X3D option https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CRkFQP

[pseudo forge]

Will I need a new cpu fan too?

I have the lian li water cooler atm

[potent portal]

Which model exactly?

I'll check compatibility

[pseudo forge]

Lian-Li GALAHAD 360mm High Performance RGB CPU Water

[potent portal]

Perfect, excellent cooler and it is compatible

[pseudo forge]

Damn the 7800X3D cost hella

[potent portal]

Yeah it's because there's no comparable gaming CPU currently, except the new and impossible to find 9800X3D

[pseudo forge]

Don’t amd have new cpus dropping or have they alr dropped

[potent portal]

The Intel i9 13/14900K technically comes close but they lost a bit of performance with the new patches and it's risky with the stability issues

The 9000 series is the new AMD gen

[pseudo forge]

Ahhh that come out recently right

[potent portal]

Yes, but they're only a few percent better than 7000 at gaming, with the notable exception of the 9800X3D which uses black magic or something to blow everything else away

[pseudo forge]

Ahhhh okay I see

Might buy the 7800x3D then

I had a guy in another discord telling me a 4080 is a bad gpu I just recently spent 1k on that lmaoo

[potent portal]

The 4080 isn't bad, just badly marketed and priced

Honestly if all you're doing is CoD then you would have been better off with a 7900 XTX, since it can beat the 4090 in most of the series

AMD drivers have less overhead so there's less latency when CPU limited

[pseudo forge]

Nah I play other games too it’s just that my rig only struggles with warzone

[potent portal]

Gotcha, the 4080 is fine then.

[pseudo forge]

Been needing a new cpu

My 5600x still going strong but wanna upgrade

All the newer Ryzen CPU’s work with the same MOBO’s?

B650?

Just need a mobo with AM5 socket right?

[potent portal]

Yes

You'll want something with a heatsink over the VRM at a minimum for this processor

[pseudo forge]

The better the cpu is the better the mobo should be?

Like you shouldn’t really cheap out too much on the mobo

[potent portal]

That's a common misconception, there is nearly zero performance difference between a $150 board and a $1000 board.

Going cheaper than that can cause problems with thermal throttling, which is why I brought up the heatsink. The one I recommended is good.

The more expensive boards mostly exist for extreme overclocking (which you can't do with a 7800X3D anyway)

[pseudo forge]

Ahh okay I get you

Is the 7800x3d the next best option after the 9800x3d?

[stoic island]

Just keep in mind you'll need to buy ddr5 ram moving from 5600x, which uses ddr4

7800x3d is the next best option after 9800x3d

Still better than 9000 non x3d and better than the Intel offerings for gaming

[pseudo forge]

Appreciate that

[covert vapor]

And for ram you should be generally aiming for 6000mhz on the DDR5

Is the sweet spot for AM5 rn

[potent portal]

6000 c30 specifically since it is usually not Samsung B-die

6000 c34 or c36 is often Samsung and doesn't overclock as well

I'd recommend some basic memory overclocking to get smoother frame times, and if you get Hynix based memory I've got a list of timings you can plug in that just work

[pseudo forge]

What ram would you recommend then?

RGB RAM* 😭

[potent portal]

I had one on that pcpartpicker list

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/NWhv6h/kingston-fury-beast-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-kf560c30bbeak2-32

[pseudo forge]

Would you say the 9800x3d is overkill?

[covert vapor]

I mean, honestly you could just get a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D, skip a new mobo and ram and just chill until your gaming needs leave your hardware behind

[potent portal]

You probably won't be able to get a 9800X3D for at least a couple months anyway, not without paying a scalper twice the retail cost

[plucky timber]

This is starting to look like skylake all over again

[little osprey]

Can anyone tell me why the ram I got that is at 4800 mhz and it’s supported up to 6000 mhz?

[potent portal]

You need to go into bios and enable xmp/expo

Asus sometimes calls it DOCP, it can also be called "memory profiles"

[little osprey]

I’m in bios right now, and clicked on the expo 1 profile but it still says it’s at 4800

[potent portal]

You need to save and exit for it to apply

[little osprey]

Okay it’s at 6000 now thank you 🙏

Now I gotta go and install windows on a usb real quick brb

[little osprey]

What windows version should I go with? 11 home or pro?

[boreal cave]

Umm guys my wireless WiFi option ain’t showing

It only says Ethernet, btw this is my first build and I’m doing windows install

[potent portal]

Whichever version you have a key for. Most people don't need the pro version unless you want to use extra features like bitlocker and gpedit.

[potent portal]

Yep the driver is missing. Isn't Microsoft great? Force you to connect to a network to install but don't give you a way to do it. There's several ways to bypass it at least.

[boreal cave]

Like driver install

[potent portal]

Go back one screen from the network selection, press shift+F10, and enter in the command window OOBE\BYPASSNRO

It'll restart and when it gets back to that screen it'll allow you to skip the network

If that doesn't work then I have a file I can give you to put on your USB that will automate some things and auto bypass others

[little osprey]

@potent portal I just got windows installed and I’m only seeing the option for Ethernet connection and don’t see wireless? I have a WiFi motherboard with the antennas connected, how do I get wireless?

[plucky timber]

do you have a internet connection?

you might want to use ethernet for the time being

[little osprey]

I don’t have an Ethernet cable

[plucky timber]

and then go to the motherboard website and download the wifi drivers

oh uhh

can you transfer files from your phone to your pc?

[little osprey]

It won’t let me do anything until I choose the connection and which internet

[plucky timber]

I hate microsoft

hold up

press shift +f 10

and type OOBE\BYPASSNRO

[little osprey]

Okay one sec lemme get back to it

Says it’s not a recognized command

@plucky timber

Nvm I wasn’t typing it right

I can’t find the WiFi driver online, can you help @plucky timber

I have the msi b650 gaming plus WiFi motherboard

[plucky timber]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/support#driver

[little osprey]

Thank you 🙂

[little osprey]

Where can I get a windows 11 key ?

@plucky timber

[potent portal]

You don't technically need one but if you had a PC with Windows 10/11 on it before you can transfer the license with the activation troubleshooter

You just need to sign in with your microsoft account and the troubleshooter will show you what keys you have on your account

[little osprey]

I only have a laptop, I was also wanting to be able to change backgrounds and be able to use custom settings

[potent portal]

Officially you'd need a new retail key then, but it's worth running just in case there's a PC you signed in on that you forgot about

[little osprey]

I never had a pc of my own, just laptops 😅

This is my first built pc

[little osprey]

Why is Minecraft capping my fps based on my set refresh rate for my monitor? I have the setting set to unlimited in game

[potent portal]

Turn off vsync

[little osprey]

Where is that? Also I turned it off on my monitor

Oh nvm found it

It’s still capping it at 144

[potent portal]

It might be in your driver settings then

It can be in any combination of three places, driver settings, game settings, driver game profile settings

[little osprey]

I wouldn’t know how to do any of that

[storm prairie]

so guys i'm really scared about warranty m gonna buy a big pc build price and i'm really scared about this product is fake or while i'm using it it will broke suddenly

this product shipped and sold by newegg

[hidden mantle]

👀

[manic cloak]

Wdym?

[storm prairie]

like when i order graphics card and

like 7800xt

i really want it

but m afraid about the quality

or if i buy it and it suddenly freeze in game

or something after 30 days

[manic cloak]

So you want to order a 7800xt, but you’re scared about the quality because why..?

[manic cloak]

Usually there’s warranty after the 30 day return policy, imagine 30 days to return no questions asked, then a 1 year basic warranty.

[storm prairie]

not quality, i mean i think its fake or Manufacturer's defects

[manic cloak]

It can’t be fake if it’s sold and shipped by Newegg

The chances of that is probably equal to winning the lottery

[storm prairie]

because im gonna buy
rx7800xt
ryzen 7 7700x

[manic cloak]

It happened to me, I had my 7800xt arrive dead, but they shipped me out a new one for free and gave me extra warranty

[storm prairie]

dead like how ?

[manic cloak]

Artifacting

The GPU worked, then it immediately artifacts

[storm prairie]

oh

so how can i make sure this not gonna happen to me ?

[manic cloak]

Because the chances of this happening is so slim, and if it does oh well. You get free and better warranty, at the cost of waiting longer

[delicate rivet]

Im new to pcs, is there just a best $1600-$1800 build anyone could recommend?

[manic cloak]

US?

[delicate rivet]

yes

[manic cloak]

Any specifics, like color and RGB preference, do you know what quality (1080p, 1440p or 4k,) and what exact games/plans do you doing on it?

[delicate rivet]

I play a bunch of games like rust, cod, val ect. I think an all white sceme could be cool and I want a water cooler. Not sure what quality, because I dont have a moniuter yet

[storm prairie]

yes like valorant or any Closing games like Resident evil or bloodborne etc

its good

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ghfPJ

[manic cloak]

Monitor added to the budget then? So you want an all white, with an AIO/liquid cooled CPU right? Also if you don’t know quality, performance over quality or quality over performance?

[mossy venture]

White
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t9BCzP

[delicate rivet]

quality over performance probably, im not super competitve. Moniter not included

[mossy venture]

If you've got a microcenter nearby 7600x3d or 7800x3d bundle would be a good choice

Otherwise there isn't much better than a 7600x for games, you get marginal increases (under 5% even if you went to a 9900x or 14700k) and spend a lot more

X3d cpus stock has sucked recently

[delicate rivet]

Going to be honest, im not sure what any of that means

[storm prairie]

@manic cloak

is Team T-CREATE EXPERT 32GB 6400

cl 40
voltage 1.40 V

good ?

[rain carbon]

X3D = fancy tech, very overpriced

600x is six core

Higher numbers higher cores

[plucky timber]

We have explained to you multiple times how DDR5 6000 will be better for your use case

[rain carbon]

Higher number of cores mean less in games

DDR6

[delicate rivet]

I thought ddr5 was highest

[rain carbon]

DDR6 is on vram rn

[mossy venture]

Gpus have ram on them called vram, the new gpus from nvidia will have gddr7

Ddr6 currently exists i believe, but it'll be a while before it's in consumer pcs

[potent portal]

There's no publicly available documents from jedec on DDR6 currently, but the rumored specs are nuts, with the slowest speed starting at 8800 MT/s and official support up to 17600 for the first gen.

This is, naturally, double the spec of DDR5, as is tradition at this point

There's also 4 data channels per module, up from 2 on DDR5. This can decrease latency, especially with smaller read/write requests.

[marsh kiln]

How worth it would it to be to get a bundle I found on marketplace? Has a ryzen 9 5900x, b500 tomahawk max wifi, and team group t force 4x8gb 3200MHz for 300 but it's around 2 to 2.5 hours away for 300 USD

[cerulean plume]

I just bought a pc off jawa and eveyrhing is running fine, but I just want to know how to reduce the cpu temp since it’s idling at 69 Celsius

[dusky hearth]

that temp is fine

[cerulean plume]

really?

what do you think is the max temp during gaming?

[dusky hearth]

idle temps don't matter as long as it isnt thermal throttling
cpus will throttle when they get too hot to prevent itself from being too too hot, and if it's throttling when it's under max load, you may want a better cooler, but as long as your cpu is within ambient to ~95c, you're fine

the cpu starts throttling at 95c

[cerulean plume]

ah okay so everything under 95c is fine

i was worrying a little bit 😅

[dusky hearth]

even at 95 you're technically fine, as long as you're not idling at 95c

idling at or over 90c would say that you probably have dried up paste or a bad cooler mount

[cerulean plume]

okay thanks 😅 i was about to increase the fan speed in bios

[frigid sage]

So I have a pc that I'm replacing the motherboard, cpu, ram and power supply

The I'm adding an m.2

I have an existing 2 sata ssds and another hdd

So 1 of those ssds have windows and other data then the other 2 just have data like different applications I have downloaded, pictures videos etc

So I'll be building that pc later today, so I was wondering, how can I get my data in the pc?

Id like the windows install to be on the m.2, everything else can stay on whatever drive they're on already

Issue #2, the pc currently doesn't boot, I think it's an issue with the mobo/cpu, which is why I'm replacing them and doing all this in the first place

Ideally I don't want to have to reinstall all the different apps and games I have, cuz I don't want to lose world saves, different projects etc

[dusky hearth]

i think you have your issues in the wrong order

worry about the data transfer after you solve the issue with it not being able to boot lol

does the current pc POST at all

[frigid sage]

i havnte built the pc yet

its the old mobo cpu ram that had an issue, and I tried to fix it but from what I could tell either the mobo or the cpu died

they were all AM3 socket / DDR3 so I instead bought AM4 mobo and cpu with ddr4

rn im trying to take the old mobo etc out

of the case

mobo is stuck from 1 screw tho, it spins then clicks and pops back into its place

cuz rn im gonna take the stuff out

clean the case

build the new pc outside of the case (everything is new except gpu and storage [minus the new m.2])

once it boots ill put everything into the case

[potent portal]

Lift the motherboard slightly to put upward pressure while you turn the screw and hopefully the screw or the standoff catch the thread and come off

[frigid sage]

I ended up getting it off by holding the standoff with a pair of needle nose pliers

quick quesiton

im installing my m.2 rn

new m.2 in a new motheroard

but i dont really understand how im supposed to use the included m.2 screws

or wait

ok to explain it better

I have an m.2 that I put into the slot and it lines up with a standoff

but the standoff is too tall for it, so the m.2 ends up lifting up a bit once I put the screw in

the place I put the screw in is also the same spot I put in the heatshield screw

so Id only be able to put either the heat shield or the m.2 screw in

I can get a picture if it helps explain my situation

[potent portal]

I can check the manual for you if you tell me the motherboard model and what slot you're using

I'm thinking you have a spool style screw where the M.2 slots into the side of it

[frigid sage]

B550M PRO4

https://download.asrock.com/Manual/B550M Pro4.pdf

[potent portal]

Ok and you're using the slot with the heatsink?

[frigid sage]

yes

thats the faster one from what I can tell

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XzgFf7/msi-spatium-m450-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sm450n1tb

thats the m.2

[potent portal]

Alright the manual isn't that much help but it does look like there should be a standoff that's different from the one the heatsink screws into

[frigid sage]

like in that image, the m.2 sits on the standoff there, but you can see theres like a neck to the standoff

so if I put a screw in the m.2 rises a bit on that side

unless I put the shield screw instead, so am I just supposed to do that and im overthinking it

[frigid sage]

ok so it is supposed to be different

[potent portal]

No I think the manual is just bad lol

[frigid sage]

should I just put it in with the shield, cuz I think the shiled will push it down a bit

[potent portal]

From the pic it does appear the heatsink will screw in to hold the SSD down

[frigid sage]

then I dont even need the m.2 screw

ye ig

I think im overthinking it too much

should I take the sticker off the m.2 or na

[potent portal]

No

It's a special metallic sticker to help spread the heat

[frigid sage]

ill take off the shield plastic tho

[cerulean plume]

Is it bad that my cpu is at 75 Celsius at 1% utilization ?

[potent portal]

Yes that you take off

[frigid sage]

thats cool

[potent portal]

Idle temp doesn't matter at all, just load temp

[cerulean plume]

Oh okay thanks I was worried, I in your opinion what is a bad load temp?

I have a ryzen 7 3700x

[potent portal]

90C is where I'd start to worry, 95C is the max it'll go to

[cerulean plume]

If it reaches higher level should I increase fan speeds

[potent portal]

The default fan curve should keep it below that but if not go ahead

[cerulean plume]

I was asking because it reaches 90c

But thanks

[potent portal]

What cooler are you using? The stock one?

[cerulean plume]

Yea

[potent portal]

The paste is probably dry by now with how old that is

[cerulean plume]

The pc is really quiet also

[cerulean plume]

Oh I need new paste?

[potent portal]

The stock paste dries out enough to be a problem after a couple years

If it's been repasted then the time will depend on what paste was used

[cerulean plume]

Ah damn, you think I should increase fan speeds for now

Because I recently got the pc

[potent portal]

It couldn't hurt

I'm guessing you bought it from someone else and it was already put together?

[indigo kindle]

Can someone help me troubleshoot my pc? Just built with 4080s 9800x3d etc. boots up fine, all fans spin, including gpu fans. Gpu doesnt display

[cerulean plume]

yes

[indigo kindle]

tried displayport and hdmi. Monitor not detecting

Yes i have it plugged into GPU ports not MB

[cerulean plume]

everything seems fine so far it's just the temp

he also recommended me some new fans to replace the stock one

[potent portal]

If you want to go that route I can recommend a $15 cooler that'll fix it too

[cerulean plume]

do they come with thermal paste?

[potent portal]

yes

[cerulean plume]

and the motherboard is a am4

[cerulean plume]

if you don't mind I would like to see

[potent portal]

Hmm looks like the cheapest good coolers are out of stock but there's this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D93X1TKG?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[cerulean plume]

thanks

[frigid sage]

Anyone know what this means

Am I supposed to press any buttons to go to bios or something

Copyright (C) American Megatrends, Inc.
BIOS Date: 01/18/2024 20:49:48 Ver: 1AWQG340
New CPU installed, fTPM/PSP NV corrupted or fTPM/PSP NV structure changed.
Press Y to reset fTPM, if you have BitLocker or encryption enabled
the system will not boot without a recovery key
Press N to keep previous fTPM record and cont inue system boot, fTPM will NOT
enable in new CPU, you can swap back to the old CPU to recover TPM related
Keys and data.

these are all new components except the gpu

do I press Y or N?

I pressed Y cuz I think its right

[potent portal]

Y is correct, assuming you're not running bitlocker

[frigid sage]

no idea what that is

[weary galleon]

file encryption

[frigid sage]

so rn tho

do I install windows

but the thing is in my old drive i have my os

[frigid sage]

like this question

so my old drives have all my data and my os

[plucky timber]

you don't need to

if bitlocker is off

[frigid sage]

its a fresh build so should be off if i had to guess

so rn

I have the pc on bios, the only storage attached is a new m.2 drive (i dont have anything on it)

my old drive which I havent connected has windows installed and other data

[plucky timber]

so what are you trying to do?

are you trying to clone the os?

or fresh install?

[indigo kindle]

Can anyone plzzzz help me. Troubleshooting new build

[plucky timber]

ask away

[frigid sage]

what im asking is can I plug in my old ssd and just boot from there

I dont want to lose the data on it tho

I then also have another ssd and a harddrive that id want to plug in too

or if I cant just plug them in, what do I do to get the data from them?

[potent portal]

If you don't know what it is there's a 99% chance you aren't using it

[indigo kindle]

Just built new pc. Gigabyte b650 eagle mobo, 4080s, 9800x3d. I boot and get no display when plugged into gpu or mobo. Red led dram debug light every time when i turn on pc. Everything turns on. Gpu fans and case fans spin. Have tried ram in all different channels, and have done it with just one stick in each ram as well.

[plucky timber]

you can just plug it in

[indigo kindle]

Have cleared cmos too no help

[plucky timber]

when the PC is off

don't install the ssd when the pc's on

[potent portal]

What's the old and new chipset for the motherboard?

[frigid sage]

is there a risk to losing the data on the drive

[potent portal]

No but there is a risk of Windows not booting

[plucky timber]

not unless you're extremely incompetent

[frigid sage]

old was am3

new is am4

[potent portal]

Shouldn't be a problem

Just pop it in

[frigid sage]

so if I plug it in, it should boot up as if I opened my old pc

[potent portal]

And it should boot

[plucky timber]

the motherboard should automatically set the boot priority

if not go into bios and set it manually

[potent portal]

It will take a while to boot and may restart a few times as it installs the new drivers but it should work

[indigo kindle]

^

Plzzzz

[plucky timber]

we're working on it

[potent portal]

Did you update the BIOS to one that's compatible with the new CPU?

[plucky timber]

please be patient

[indigo kindle]

I have not. How do i do that?

[frigid sage]

so itll be as if I opened my old pc, like all my stuff will be there

[potent portal]

yep

[indigo kindle]

Q flash with usb drive?

[plucky timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHa46UoM0A

[indigo kindle]

Perfect thanks

[frigid sage]

huge, thanks 7v7 and falcie ill do that now

[potent portal]

Here's the BIOS too https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/BIOS/mb_bios_b650-eagle_8arpl267_f32f.zip?v=994c6b273f76802a9e45e0157e280fe9

[frigid sage]

is there a good way to shut off the pc in bios or just turn psu off

[plucky timber]

hold power button

[potent portal]

You can just press the power button and it'll shut off

[plucky timber]

and then turn off the psu after

[frigid sage]

rn im shorting the pins to turn it on

[potent portal]

Then short them and it'll turn off

[frigid sage]

thanks

does it matter which slot I plug in a sata ssd

on the mobo

[plucky timber]

it might actually

hold up

[potent portal]

It won't matter unless you're also using a M.2 drive, then sometimes it matters

[frigid sage]

i have the m.2 installed currently

[plucky timber]

sometimes some boards steal the sata data lanes

when there is a m.2 installed

doesn't seem to be the case on this board

[frigid sage]

the thing is im planning on having 2 sata ssds and a hdd installed

[plucky timber]

as far as I can see

[frigid sage]

alr thanks

will I even be able to have 2 sata ssds and a hdd installed on top of the m.2?

[plucky timber]

there's pcie ane stealing going on but not sata stealing

[plucky timber]

oh bloody hell

[frigid sage]

im not using m2_2

[potent portal]

Your drive is in M2_1 so no conflict

[frigid sage]

ye

ok thanks

so any port is fine then

[plucky timber]

gigabyte website sucks

[frigid sage]

will it matter when I plug in the additional sata ssd and hdd

[plucky timber]

doesn't matter

just remember not to put anything in M2_2

or else bye bye sata lanes

[potent portal]

Yep, but keep it in mind if you want to add another M.2 in the future you should stick to SATA 1,2,4

[frigid sage]

alr thanks

I might as well plug them into 1 2 4 then

if it doesnt conflict with anything else

[plucky timber]

there is also an option of swapping one of the sata ssds for an nvme

if you really wanted one in the future

and if you have 3+ drives

[frigid sage]

true, one of my sata ssds is 256 gb which is nothing

it has os tho on it

might as well keep it tho

id like to move the os to the m.2 tho

but first things first im just gonna plug in the sata ssd and see if my pc opens up as usual

[potent portal]

That's perfectly fine to keep on SATA, it would only boot a few seconds faster on a fast M.2

[indigo kindle]

Does it need to be a 32gb flash drive for qflash

[frigid sage]

ive felt it get slower over the years, partially bc i think I just have it pretty much full now

[plucky timber]

could be fragmented

ntfs sucks

[potent portal]

SSDs don't fragment

[plucky timber]

or the bloat that comes with windows update

or both

[potent portal]

The drive filling up could be the cause, especially on a cheaper one

[frigid sage]

its an samsung 850 evo

idk what quality is like for that

so i plugged it in, do i need to press any buttons when i turn it on