If you know how to optimise the pc, AMD radeon often is better
#building-and-recc-chat
untold orbit
If you know how to optimise the pc, AMD radeon often is better
Not shocked at all
cyan ravine
Fortnite is definitely better if you don't use performance mode
Which you shouldn't anyway with a 7900XT
DX12 pro is the typical suggestion, low settings
Like for like radeon runs a bit faster than a 4070TI super
XTX would do the same against a 4080 Super
untold orbit
DX12 pro is the typical suggestion, low settings
Yeah that's what we have going now for settings
cyan ravine
Yeah there you go
I would consider that
If you go get a cooler master V3 vertical gpu mount
You could get the HDV and it'll look like a full mobo still
Cos it'll be hidden
untold orbit
XTX would do the same against a 4080 Super
I had looked at those as well. I was ready to drop 1k, so I might as well go the XTX route. It'll last him 2 and through most of college if he takes care of it.
cyan ravine
Food for thought but anyway the gigabyte still good
Yeah lemme check XTX one sec
This one is like, the viral internet pick lol
Really cool tech in the card
This would be the standard pick https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCBG3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-pg-24go
Both perform about the same
The XFX would have better manufacturing QC
So I'd lean the XFX personally
For PSU for either of these if you need one
Or much better for $4
Both will be ample
If picking the cheaper end of all this allows you to get him a better screen btw, it'll be worth it
If he doesn't have an OLED, you should have some degree of budget here for it
untold orbit
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/phVmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-85...
I have the 1200w snow edition in my cart
cyan ravine
GF3 or GF A3
Is it white or black?
Like the build
GF A3 don't buy
It had a parts revision to become terrible quality recently
untold orbit
white
untold orbit
GF A3 don't buy
this is the monitor i had in mind
https://www.newegg.com/aoc-ag276qzd-27-qhd-240-hz-oled-black/p/N82E16824160507?Item=N82E16824160507
untold orbit
I'm not worried about the all white build. I'm building the best machine I can. If he wants to matchy matchy when he's paying that's on him
cyan ravine
Is the case white tho?
untold orbit
Is the case white tho?
Yes the case is white
cyan ravine
Ok
Cos white is like a few dollars here and there if smart
Keep an eye on this monitor too
untold orbit
cyan ravine
It regularly goes cheap
Yeah we don't need 1200W
Overkill here
850W is overkill tbh
Is the h170i bought btw?
untold orbit
It is
cyan ravine
Ok I'll note it
untold orbit
and already installed
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lnrqqs/asrock-b650-pro-rs-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-pro-rs-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MgHqqs/asrock-b650-steel-legend-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-steel-legend-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwjRsY/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-ice-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax-ice
untold orbit
I've already bought this: https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-titanium-sf-850f14ht-850w/p/1HU-024C-00011?Item=9SIAMNPAZB3485
Wasn't sure it'd be enough power
cyan ravine
I think that's a good one hold on
Yeah it's a fantastic one use it @untold orbit
No doubt in my mind
That's more than enough
untold orbit
sweet!
cyan ravine
Bought ram?
cyan ravine
Does he like arrr gee bees
untold orbit
I was sitting on cpu, mb, ram and gpu until Black Friday/Cyber Monday
Honestly, he doesn't care about anything other than playing. Good for my wallet.
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QzP8TW/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctcwd532g6000hc30dc01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z7Jp99/mushkin-redline-lumina-white-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-mlb5c600aeem16gx2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D67scf/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ff4d532g6400hc32adc01
The 6400 kit might not run perfectly out of the box
But high chance it does
So SSD bought?
untold orbit
yes
cyan ravine
Ok I'll put a placeholder
untold orbit
Crucial t700 2gb
untold orbit
Well no. It just arrived today
cyan ravine
Gen 4 is too fast for everyone else lol
cyan ravine
Well no. It just arrived today
Amazon?
untold orbit
Newegg
cyan ravine
Ah damn
I could ask but you'd maybe need to pay return shipping
Ah well
Useful later
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WbxxFT/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pgw-20go
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tb88TW/asrock-taichi-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-tcw-24go
untold orbit
I do some graphic work and he does stream, but I'm more of a buy quality first and price second
cyan ravine
Ok graphic work is fine
untold orbit
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WbxxFT/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-...
Yeah, i saw these beauties.
cyan ravine
Should more or less look like thishttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/yg7Hh7
4070TiS-4080-ish performance
Save for heavy RT
But wayyyy cheaper
cyan ravine
Disagree
I've run an XTX and 13900KF overclocked on a 1000W
9800X3D uses like a 3rd of the power I was using there
So 850W, and a very good 850W at that, will be fine
untold orbit
Sweet
cyan ravine
I've run an XTX and 13900KF overclocked on a 1000W
About 550W GPU/430W CPU at the same time so yeah
Pretty sure you're fine
untold orbit
Well I've adjusted my shopping cart. Friday through Monday is going to be my Christmas
cyan ravine
Last link
If you decide to go with the small mobo picks
It'll keep it looking (more) clean (tbh)
But you'll save a few dollars to reinvest in presentation so yeah lol
untold orbit
His current setup is Vertical and it looks great
untold orbit
Yeah it does get a little warm in the summer, but nothing out of hand.
cyan ravine
Yeah it does get a little warm in the summer, but nothing out of hand.
Do the lad a favour
Get him a desk mat
It'll quiet the noise of the pc down
All his ferocious tapping and building
untold orbit
haha
cyan ravine
I'm a personal fan of the glorious desk mats
Measure if it fits first
It's big
Like real big
untold orbit
Fortunately he plays controller mostly. I'm woken the wife up more than him 
cyan ravine
Np
I just like seeing people save money man, I use the time to learn
Play with all this hardware in my spare time
untold orbit
That's great. I was able to do a lot of that in high school 20+ years ago, but college and real life hit. It's been fun getting back into building and playing
cyan ravine
Haha ikr
untold orbit
My wife will appreciate the cost savings as well.
cyan ravine
Oh yeah for sure, it's amazing what learning to save on a pc does, like saving every week in a super market
Count the pennies then the dollars count themselves
untold orbit
Amen to that
Well @cyan ravine I've got an early morning Turkey cooking session. I'll be in here again soon.
zenith trail
hiiii
lilac ember
MSI - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12GB VENTUS 3X OC 12GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 Graphics Card
This good one
dusky hearth
One that works
crimson zinc
MSI - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12GB VENTUS 3X OC 12GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4....
Depends the price
crimson zinc
whats a good motherboard for 7800X3D cpu?
B650s
crimson zinc
and aircooler
Peerless assassin
lilac ember
i buy 3x
lilac ember
It's ok. There's better models at the same price typically
show me
lilac ember
Tf do you think I am
lol
mossy venture
As respectfully as possible I've told you multiple times what I'd recommend
little osprey
Okay my bad, I just wanted to make sure 😔
rain carbon
mossy venture
No it's ok, just a lot of people seek confirmation of their own opinions and assumptions instead of advice
little osprey
But could I go with the cpu with integrated graphics in case something happened to gpu? So I could still use the pc until I was able to get the gpu replaced/fixed if needed? And also the 14600k is I think $20 cheaper the 13600k
rain carbon
Its your money
little osprey
I know that, I just want to make sure I don’t get something and it be worse than the other option
rain carbon
The difference between the 2 is just the fact its 14th gen and 13th gen
little osprey
Okay, thank you 🙂
rain carbon
Both are high end cpus, and both i believe have competent integrated
Integrated will pretty much never keep up with a dedicated gpu, but nowadays they hold up enough even for some light gaming
little osprey
Yeah the 13th gen is $235 while the 14th gen is $215, also what do you mean by light gaming?
Like solitaire? 😅
rain carbon
My 7600x on integrated can run minecraft, i played lethal on it for a bit before my gpu came in at very reasonable fps
little osprey
What lethal company?
rain carbon
I even play battlefield 1 on it at 1080p low and got 40 or so average fps
jagged ember
780m/890m supremacy
shut rampart
a bit worrying on idle no? how do I fix this if I can..
jagged ember
No its fine
Turn up your fan curve if you want it to be colder
As long as under load the CPU doesn't get beyond like 90-95 degrees you're fine
crimson zinc
@fallow knot send it here
little osprey
@mossy venture what’s a good monitor I should get for $200-$250 32”? Preferably one that is curved. This is what I’m trying to have my monitors end up looking like the ones in this pic
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> what’s a good monitor I should get for $200-$250 32”? Pre...
So the issue with curved is you typically lose out on panel quality
Lemme grab some options
little osprey
Okay so what if I do the one on the left is curved and the one I would be gaming on keep it straight?
mossy venture
mossy venture
Okay so what if I do the one on the left is curved and the one I would be gaming...
That would be make sense
The msi $110, g2724d at $150, and the acer mini led at $190 would be the best choices at their price points for the gaming monitor
The one you do horizontal, your choice
Well obviously your choice either way not my money lmao
Thats just what I'd personally do
little osprey
Okay bet, thanks for the help 😁
mossy venture
Np
little osprey
Wait wouldn’t these need to be gsync since I would be getting Nvidia?
mossy venture
Freesync and gsync are interchangeable
little osprey
Interchangeable? How would that work?
stoic island
All modern freesync monitors are g-sync compatible, what it needs to be able to do for freesync is the same capabilities for g sync compatible
Proper g-sync takes a separate chip, but g-sync compatible doesn't need it
little osprey
A few the monitors on the list I was given says freesync premium or just freesync, then there is an option to get the one that says gsync compatible?
What do you mean ultra wide? Is that so it won’t be as tall?
stoic island
A few the monitors on the list I was given says freesync premium or just freesyn...
Freesync premium would be the same hardware wise as freesync, just with some added features, and would still be g-sync compatible.
Nvidia makes g-sync compatible weird because they only certify some monitors to be g-sync compatible, while all modern freesync monitors are compatible for that g-sync compatible
little osprey
oh okay, that makes a lot more sense now
little osprey
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gs27qc-27-qhd-165hz-oc-170hz-va-black/p/N82E16824012064 good monitor and price or no?
if so i think im going to just go with 2 of these and do them side by side for now or one vertical still if i like it
little osprey
What thermal paste should I get? I see multiple kinds but don’t know which one is the best/better one. @mossy venture @stoic island
cyan ravine
MX6
stoic island
Can just get some mx-6 and be fine, cooler usually comes with some already though
crimson zinc
Mx6 the GOAT
potent portal
Mx6 the GOAT
I'd say PTM7950 holds that honor, MX-6 is just the best for the price
cyan ravine
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1784672-REG/acer_um_hxxaa_302_27_wqqhd144...
1st is a lot nicer tho
little osprey
Can just get some mx-6 and be fine, cooler usually comes with some already thoug...
Okay I’ll check to see if it does
potent portal
Graphene pads are excellent for longevity too. Install it and forget it for 20 years.
crimson zinc
I'd say PTM7950 holds that honor, MX-6 is just the best for the price
I’ve never used it
potent portal
It's like liquid metal without the danger
little osprey
What’s the danger?
potent portal
Metal on your motherboard and CPU can cause short circuits
cyan ravine
Dead parts
potent portal
Magic smoke
cyan ravine
Lmao
cyan ravine
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gs27qc-27-qhd-165hz-oc-170hz-va-black/p/N82E1682...
Also the gigabyte not a good one btw
little osprey
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1784672-REG/acer_um_hxxaa_302_27_wqqhd144...
The one I’ve chosen is still good too no? I’d like to try having curved monitors because I’ve only ever used straight monitors in my life
crimson zinc
I outta try that
cyan ravine
Nope
M27Q is close to that one and much better, but the two I listed are better than M27Q
little osprey
What’s wrong with the one I chose?
cyan ravine
Curved screens just aren't good on budget unless you find mini-LED/QLED/OLED
potent portal
Curved screens are also mostly useless below 32". The point is to help with your FOV, but you can easily see the entire monitor with a 27".
little osprey
Hmm, tbh would have been easier to decide what size and type of screen I wanted if Best Buy was open today 😅
little osprey
I just don’t think I’d be able to properly play a game on that big of a screen 😅
crimson zinc
Curved monitors are basically only for teenage content creators
Not really useful in day to day life
(Outside of working with actual screens you need to see all of)
little osprey
Check this out on @Newegg:GIGABYTE - GS27QA SA - 27" IPS Gaming Monitor - QHD 2560x1440 - 180Hz - 1ms MPRT - AMD FreeSync - HDMI, DP - Black https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gs27qa-sa-27-qhd-180-hz-super-speed-ips-black/p/N82E16824012083?tpk=1
what if I go with the straight one? I looked back at the list of monitors that thetruebacca showed me and it had the 32” gigabyte monitor on the list
cyan ravine
If you go with a straight one make it one of the ones I linked
The Mini-LED one was only $10 more than the above one and wayyyyy better
No competition
I just checked reviews of any of the other curved screens I could find, all but one were a hard pass
The last one doesn't have enough reviews to make me comfortable suggesting
Mixed bag
There just isn't good curved at this bracket rn imo
little osprey
What happened to the other monitor you showed? I only see the 2nd one you linked
Oh there it is
Wait what? I can’t buy it from there?
little osprey
Check this out on @Newegg:Acer Nitro XV275U Vymipruzx 27" IPS WQHD 2560 x1440 170Hz Refresh Rate 1ms Response TimeAMD FreeSync™ Premium Technology Mini LED Gaming Monitor, Built-In KVM Switch, USB Type-C Port x1, Video Port x1 https://www.newegg.com/acer-xv275u-vymipruzx-27-wqhd-170-hz-nitro-ips-black/p/N82E16824011465?tpk=1
I think I found the same monitor on Newegg, but it’s $10 cheaper?
cyan ravine
You actually did but with a better io
Well done
I'm impressed and I don't say that often
100% recommend it
little osprey
It’s got a bad review though?
I think that’s the only review though tbh
Wait nvm I was looking at the picture review
cyan ravine
The bad reviews are of the V varient
Oh wait
Interesting
Rtings gives that screen a really good rating though
No the reviews are red herrings
little osprey
Some people are saying that it stays at 50% brightness and some are saying it didn’t even turn on
little osprey
Can I see those reviews? 😅
cyan ravine
I mean I'm fast filtering through webpages like reddit
There's not a whole lot of info
Oh ok no
I found a confirmed source
It's not Mini-LED
It's decent but it's not mini LED so it's a pass
Means you have to buy off B&H
@little osprey
little osprey
What is mini led?
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
What is mini led?
Type of screen tech
You've heard of oled before right
Mini LED is like, the step below that
little osprey
Yeah I don’t like how it looks
cyan ravine
But way above many other panel tech
cyan ravine
Yeah I don’t like how it looks
I mean it's the standout best monitor pick at this budget level, I don't know what else to say other than buy a separate monitor mount?
Nothing else comes close to the panel it has
little osprey
No it’s the oled, I don’t like it, but also I was never told why the gigabyte monitors were bad
little osprey
What is va though?
cyan ravine
Decent colour, but blurry screen, meh responsiveness, lots of typical va problems like VRR flicker
cyan ravine
What is va though?
If I sat down and actually explained these things in sufficient capacity we'd be here for at least an hour lmao
Just know that VA/TN is very old
IPS is usually better than that
MiniLED/QLED is often better than that despite being VA
And OLED stands above all else
With QD-OLED next to it
All those things are listed in a monitors sale article
tawny violet
here's the reference material on how every display tech works and what makes them great/less great
little osprey
So I should look for ips?
cyan ravine
Yes usually
Which are usually flat screens
But in your price bracket there's one Mini LED
Which is just plain better overall than the IPS picks
cyan ravine
If it's available that one's also good yeah
The XV275U P3 is the one in discussion rn
tawny violet
oh
I kinda just skip all of Acer's monitors because the naming scheme is awful
I just plain dunno which is which
stoic island
I kinda just skip all of Acer's monitors because the naming scheme is awful
and that's how they trick you into buying a panel that you otherwise wouldn't buy
cyan ravine
and that's how they trick you into buying a panel that you otherwise wouldn't bu...
Yep
As you saw from me 10 minutes ago
tawny violet
and that's how they trick you into buying a panel that you otherwise wouldn't bu...
Not falling for that old gag yes
cyan ravine
I genuinely thought the V version was good
Turns out
Completely different panel
Despite near identical specs and the article itself saying Mini LED
tawny violet
Wow that's kinda scummy
rain carbon
*very
tawny violet
I mean it COULD be a mistake on part of whoever put the article together
cyan ravine
Ofc
tawny violet
But that just accentuates why Acer's naming scheme is dogwater
tawny violet
ye
tawny violet
Q27G3XMN is my go-to rec cuz I actually know it's good lol
But Felix is more versed in displays than me
cyan ravine
That one is also good but it costs 60 more for barely any better
tawny violet
ye value does diminish somewhat
rain carbon
A bad naming scheme is only to acer's benefit
tawny violet
again it's more to do with me actually knowing it's a proper mini-led one
little osprey
Check this out on @Newegg:GIGABYTE - GS27QA SA - 27" IPS Gaming Monitor - QHD 2560x1440 - 180Hz - 1ms MPRT - AMD FreeSync - HDMI, DP - Black https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gs27qa-sa-27-qhd-180-hz-super-speed-ips-black/p/N82E16824012083?tpk=1
you’ll probably say go with the mini led, but I really don’t like how that one looks (I’m just very picky, sorry about that 🥲😅)
But this one says it’s ips, is that better?
@cyan ravine
cyan ravine
Go with the mini led
stoic island
But this one says it’s ips, is that better?
IPS is nicer than normal VA with better color accuracy, but mini led with the better contrast and local dimming is nicer than IPS
rain carbon
Contrast makes a world of difference imo
stoic island
Deeper blacks with mini led really helps too
not quite oled since it's still less blacklights than each pixel itself being the emitter but still much better than classic lcd
little osprey
Pcpartpicker is saying the panel type for that acer monitor is mini led va. What’s the difference between va and mini led va?
stoic island
In general, classic VA uses a single backlight, mini led uses thousands of, well, mini leds for backlighting
cyan ravine
It's a huge improvement because simple lighting leads to inconsistent colours and contrast
Whereas 384 individual little light zones vastly improve the accuracy
Instead of just 4-8 on each edge
It's like
Shining a torch vs shining a laser at something
potent portal
But that just accentuates why Acer's naming scheme is dogwater
And even when you order the right monitor there's a decent chance that you get sent a similar but wrong one
stoic island
It allows for smaller areas to just be off for a more proper black with less bleed
which gives you better contrast between white and black
cyan ravine
And the vastly better accuracy makes it a plain better pick than IPS despite still having a couple VA drawbacks
Cos the overall quality is just way better
plucky timber
how do y'all find good vas
stoic island
Yea color accuracy is generally still worse than IPS on mini led still but it's better than VA
cyan ravine
how do y'all find good vas
Start by accepting they only exist with Mini-LED or QLED
cyan ravine
Yes
plucky timber
I've always thought of it as budget IPS
cyan ravine
But in this case acer has a stupid cheap option that's actually amazing
plucky timber
👀
stoic island
I've always thought of it as budget IPS
for a time before mini led
stoic island
prices are very good in general right now
sales and all
there was a 1440p180 IPS panel for $110 for a little bit before it sold out
rain carbon
there was a 1440p180 IPS panel for $110 for a little bit before it sold out
That's actually insane
plucky timber
how's the i5-10310u these days
cyan ravine
how's the i5-10310u these days
People still use these?
plucky timber
thinking of grabbing a used laptop
cyan ravine
Use the 5800H for unit
plucky timber
and also different workflow and stuff
cyan ravine
Wha
Lad go get a used ipad if you want something lighter
You can bluetooth your work between them
plucky timber
they cost way more than a laptop
plucky timber
those are oldddd
plucky timber
apple tax 💀
cyan ravine
Hello
plucky timber
do they still get software support tho
cyan ravine
💀
cyan ravine
do they still get software support tho
Brother these are like 10-$50
You'll find a recent one
rain carbon
Theres a reason theyre cheap
plucky timber
not any that's cheaper than a 10th gen laptop
dusky hearth
How old does something have to be to be considered vintage
plucky timber
90s?
dusky hearth
Er
cyan ravine
dusky hearth
I think a 100 year old car is beyond vintage at that point lmao
plucky timber
yeah that's an antique
dusky hearth
1920s car are pretty much antiques yeah
plucky timber
what if i buy a steam deck
cyan ravine
Actually better than the laptop
plucky timber
would be funny to just show up with a steam deck and a keyboard
cyan ravine
Wait parts only
plucky timber
HOW
dusky hearth
Actually better than the laptop
Parts only for that wtf
plucky timber
how does it cost that much for a 2nd gen
cyan ravine
It use the funny lightning bois
plucky timber
oh so it's not that old
dusky hearth
Actually better than the laptop
Literally everyone in Australia touched that and left their fingerprints
cyan ravine
Oooo
cyan ravine
android tablet
Yes
plucky timber
ok I might have a solution for that
I'll need a keyboard tho
are there any cheap silent bluetooth keyboards that's half decent?
cyan ravine
that funny logitech one is like 20 bucks
stoic island
Keychron b1 pro could be fun
cyan ravine
Not pebblee
plucky timber
wait
keychrons are cheaper than logitechs wtf ahahah
how's the tactile aspect
looks pretty decent
plucky timber
oh that's fine tbh
I just want something that doesn't feel like those crummy chinese $10 keyboards
plucky timber
yeah I'm leaning towards the keychron
jagged ember
Real thin
plucky timber
mechs are loud so I don't wanna bring my mech out
jagged ember
CLACKCLACK
plucky timber
I've put rubber rings on my keychron k6 and even then it's still pretty noticable
plucky timber
hmm
cyan ravine
Foam it upppp
jagged ember
Insulating foam with adhesive
plucky timber
how thick should the foam be
cyan ravine
foam gang
plucky timber
for the k6 I mean
cyan ravine
Anyone here own a k6
cyan ravine
plucky timber
god bless reddit
jagged ember
I HATE THIS KEYBOARD
cyan ravine
Anyone bought this foam
jagged ember
IF ONLY IT WAS BLACK FRIDAY AND THINGS WERE ON SALE
plucky timber
foam strips are abit cheaper
cyan ravine
Just foam it all up
All the foams
The thicker the better
You know what
Foam case
That'll do it
plucky timber
lol I found a sheet that's 1 dollar more but it's got amazon prime
ok nvm that one takes even longer to ship
jagged ember
Eva foam is compressible right
cyan ravine
Ask Eva
plucky timber
Eva? I hardly knew her
jagged ember
AY IS YOUR FOAM COMPRESSIBLE
jagged ember
Do not take that out of context
rain carbon
Im linux
jagged ember
We are Linux
cyan ravine
jagged ember
Someone overlay the venom meme with Linux penguin
Where venom peels back half its face
plucky timber
I was thinking of flashing arch linux arm as a rom but
doesn't look like it's got much support so I'll just run it in termux
I'm gonna go the deranged route and install a window manager in termux
cyan ravine
Boeing in a week: Guys I'm buying a laptop cos this tablet sux
Can't we just use a normal OS
💀
rain carbon
Reject modern technology, return to LeapFrog
cyan ravine
Reject modern technology, return to LeapFrog
I aged 20 years reading this
little osprey
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Computer-Vertical-Adjustable-H27T22/dp/B0B18HWB9M?th=1 good monitor brand and monitor?
little osprey
Okay bet I’ll try this ktc one out
cyan ravine
...ok
little osprey
@cyan ravine when a motherboard says wifi on it, does that mean i dont need an antenna or ethernet connected to it? or do i still need something to connect it to the internet?
cyan ravine
Wifi needs an antenna or it can't work
Ethernet needs a cable or it can't work
Almost all boards have ethernet
little osprey
so its not like a laptop where everything is already built into it?
cyan ravine
No it's not like a laptop or a phone where the antennas are hidden
If you try to not use antennae on a tower you get basically 10cm of signal range
And flakey 10cm at that
cyan ravine
Motherboards will come with them
little osprey
oh they do?
little osprey
Check this out on @Newegg:ASRock Z790 Lightning WiFi LGA 1700(14th,13th,12th Gen) Intel Z790 SATA 6Gb/s ATX DDR5 1 PCIe 5.0 x16 2.5G LAN WiFi 6E + Bluetooth Motherboards - Intel https://www.newegg.com/asrock-z790-lightning-wifi-atx-intel-z790-lga-1700/p/N82E16813162152?tpk=1 so this one will too?
cyan ravine
Do you already own the cpu
little osprey
No
cyan ravine
I would pick something else then
little osprey
This is what bacca gave to me
cyan ravine
Oh well if he suggested it I take it back
He has a better grasp on sales than me these days
I thought the board was 160
little osprey
No it’s $140 right now
cyan ravine
That's not bad then
little osprey
Trying to buy everything before today is over so I can get some good deals and save a few hundred 😅
Well basically put that few hundred back into the protection plans in case something happens later down the road
little osprey
Warranties only last so long
cyan ravine
Protection plans are never worth it in my experience
cyan ravine
Warranties only last so long
If it lasts the standard 3 years then odds are you'll probably either upgrade or last the remaining 7
little osprey
I changed a few things in his list like the ram, cpu, case, and cooler and asked bacca if the stuff I changed it to was good and he said yeah, except the cpu 😅
cyan ravine
Put it this way, you are better off pocketing the difference to just spend on what breaks later
Preinvesting in a protection plan is like buying insurance with minimal benefit
Like house insurance
mossy venture
I thought the board was 160
I suggested am5, he just wanted intel.
cyan ravine
You never really use it, but maaayyyybbbbeeee you might be that one guy
cyan ravine
I suggested am5, he just wanted intel.
I can see where it's going yeah, got the original list?
mossy venture
Not off hand
cyan ravine
Hm alr
little osprey
Well I mainly want the protection plans because of the power surge protection because I don’t want to do without if it happens, I had my ps5 fry from lightning striking near my house
cyan ravine
Well I'll pick up on changes pretty quick
cyan ravine
Well I mainly want the protection plans because of the power surge protection be...
The odds of that is extremely lucky in and of itself
mossy venture
Well I mainly want the protection plans because of the power surge protection be...
Get a UPS. You're much better off investing in a good surge protector than protection plans lmao
cyan ravine
Yep
mossy venture
Every part has warranty through the manufacturer as is
cyan ravine
Good power filtering >>>> protection insurance for specifics
little osprey
Even accidental?
cyan ravine
Yes
mossy venture
Depends
cyan ravine
It's all about how you go about these things
mossy venture
For reference
I would never ever purchase a separate warranty for a piece of tech I'm buying
cyan ravine
Same
cyan ravine
You will very easily be able to buy a replacement with your savings instead
And that money is not tied down
It's much, much better.
Send me the list pls so I can review
little osprey
mossy venture
Oh id swap the psu. The gf a3 used to be good, felix just told me a day or two ago that thermaltake swapped the parts out
cyan ravine
It's on sale half off
I dig that damn
mossy venture
cyan ravine
Absolutely change that psu
Gf A3 is now a revised fire bomb
It used to be ok
I kinda agree where baccas head was at
little osprey
Like an actual fire bomb?
cyan ravine
Like actual
little osprey
Dang guess it took too much thermal 😅
cyan ravine
I can see what bacca likely suggested
Would've been 7600/XTX
This is just a gaming PC?
little osprey
Yeah
cyan ravine
Yeah I would go more with what he said
Take it from the guy who's tried almost every piece of hardware in the last 5 years
They work basically the same but the amd side of things has better value
little osprey
I play Fortnite mostly and I don’t want to be having problems with Fortnite like stuttering and low fps drops
cyan ravine
Fortnite has no issues with amd
finite drum
Which ddr5 ram should I get, does it matter?
cyan ravine
Which ddr5 ram should I get, does it matter?
Any kit with 16gb per stick or more, cl32 or less, cheapest you can find it
That's how easy it is
@little osprey https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hwwsZc
Example
I know you didn't have white but this is a cheaper, faster, white build, same quality
Let me go pull up a good example of why amd is actually fine on fortnite
finite drum
why should I avoid corsair?
cyan ravine
They have a history with vengeance of doing dodgy things with their ram kits
Mixing chips
Not testing kits properly
cyan ravine
Dead on arrival stuff
Here
Good example
SP is pretty good
Just about all brands are good, just corsair seems to be really falling apart of late
They won the worst case award this year
💀
finite drum
I have a range of DDR5 6000 to DDR5 8000, should I just do the cheapest?
finite drum
cyan ravine
Ah uk
finite drum
no, that just shows up first link
finite drum
I don't know why that is the top, I manually change it every time I open it
cyan ravine
Do you like rgb
finite drum
It will be in a black case, so it doesn't matter that much
cyan ravine
Ez then
You already bought the 6600?
Also I'd not grab the 990 pro
Samsung is one of the worse picks nowadays for ssd
M482 Evo pack is solid, competitive to that and over half the price
Ah wait just over half now that it's not uk
$89 vs $160 for more or less the same performance, worth it right?
finite drum
Multiple people have recommended against the 990 pro, I guess I might have to change
cyan ravine
Ya it's just a poor value pick
finite drum
I just don't want one giving out on me sooner
cyan ravine
Understandable however
Samsung in their recent faulty SSD scandal
They uh
Didn't honour many warranties
💀💀
finite drum
oh, fun
cyan ravine
Ya
Highly recommend switching
You've probably read a couple articles
I saw thousands of faulty pro ssds
Quite a large number of them weren't accepted due to being filed after the fix rolled out, some before even
I say large but the number may be something like 3 figures
It's a lot of people though, many Reddit posts and Facebook stories
I don't even remember Intel having that many complaints
finite drum
knowing my computer, I should I still do the ram you showed me?
finite drum
Also, thanks for letting me know the extent of the samsung pro issue
cyan ravine
All good
finite drum
Unless you need to do something server related
why?
is it just because I need a bigger one?
cyan ravine
Some server applications are better with more ram
finite drum
oh, the ram
cyan ravine
No worries
All good lol
Just last question
Bought the 6600?
I own that same card just curious tho
finite drum
yes
cyan ravine
How much did you nab it for
finite drum
I got that a couple of years ago
cyan ravine
Ah
Ok, and you checked your PSU is ok?
These are lower power parts but I'll ask just in case
finite drum
No, is there a way to check short of taking it apart?
cyan ravine
If you know the exact name of it yeah
finite drum
I don't
finite drum
I know two people who were getting new computers, and I frankensteined them together
cyan ravine
Ah
finite drum
My current processor is a radeon
cyan ravine
Do you remember what the PSU looked like
Maybe a brand, something labelled on the side
It can be quite important as just adding parts can have some crazy consequences
finite drum
Should I open my computer and check parts like psu today??
which other parts should I check
cyan ravine
PSU if you can
If you haven't bought the 7600x btw, get the 7600 instead
Literally same cpu
Just different out of the box settings
You can make one run like the other and vice versa
Plus 7600 has a cooler unlike the X
So you save a few dollars
PSU is important, but I don't see you needing much
A $53 apevia prestige 600W would cover both the cpu and gpu here
Decent quality unit
mossy venture
If you haven't bought the 7600x btw, get the 7600 instead
It's like a $3 diff rn and the x has a free mp44l w it on newegg
finite drum
ok, thank you
mossy venture
7600x is 195 on newegg atm
finite drum
for storage, I want two
finite drum
so what should I get?
cyan ravine
How's that look @finite drum
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LXP4qH
PSU is there if you have a meh looking one rn
So optional depending on what you find inside
cyan ravine
What's the old one look like
If it's an old amd one it should technically work but you'd want a decent tower at least
finite drum
also, thank you for the help
little osprey
Just seen a YouTube short saying not to buy the 7900xtx because of the limited ray tracing and saying you can barely overclock, I’d really prefer to just stick with the 4070 ti super, I’ve only ever messed with nvidia and know nothing about amd
little osprey
But what if I want to play Minecraft with shaders?
cyan ravine
It'll still run those
finite drum
Happy to make sense of all the sales
wait, which ssd di dyou recommend again? Two seperate 1 tb ones?
cyan ravine
wait, which ssd di dyou recommend again? Two seperate 1 tb ones?
The mp44L is free with the cpu on Newegg rn
little osprey
Yeah I skipped through the video, just basically talked about capping fps
cyan ravine
The other one is the extra 1tb
cyan ravine
Yeah I skipped through the video, just basically talked about capping fps
Many other things as well
You don't run performance mode with any high end is a big one
You kneecap both cpu and gpu doing that
So you don't get the full leverage of performance
little osprey
Yeah I always run my laptop on x12
cyan ravine
Like buying a Ferrari but you use the cruise control to 60mph and buy only bread with it
Yes you should use dx12 pro at low settings
In dx12 fortnite is better on radeon
little osprey
Everything is already low for me and view distance
cyan ravine
Ya so you can dial things up if you aren't using the gpu all the way
Based on your descriptors here I'd go in fact 9800X3D + 7900XT
Much much better fps for what you want
Intel won't hold a candle
Just straight drop in like this
finite drum
Is the mp44L reliable?
cyan ravine
Yes
little osprey
That’s the xt not the xtx
cyan ravine
Ya but your budget is 1540-ish no?
Playing cpu bound games like fortnite you want a cpu that can leverage better cpu render rates
So 9800x3d makes wayyyyyy more sense than anything else
9800X3D + 4070 would get more fps than 4070TiS and 14600K
little osprey
But the price of that cpu is a crazy amount
cyan ravine
It's the best cpu for gaming hands down tho
You want good fortnite performance yeah?
It's the same as throwing 800 at a 4070TiS
You're doing it to boost your performance
Unless you play Fn at like, 8K the cpu will have a big impact on your needs
It's a cpu bound fps
I would take a 9800X3D + 4070 Super over 14600K + 4070TiS here
You'll get more fps
In both mc and fn
little osprey
This says Fortnite is mostly gpu
cyan ravine
Nope
Cos you play for high fps right
All those build fights, everyone plays for high fps
little osprey
I don’t build
cyan ravine
Cos once those start the fps tanks to nothing
little osprey
I’m zero build
cyan ravine
You play Fn but don't build?
little osprey
Yeah I’m a zero build player
little osprey
Nah screw pubg
cyan ravine
Isn't the point of Fn building tho
little osprey
Fortnite better
It was originally but I started after zero builds came out so that’s what I started with and stuck with, I know a bit of building to get me out of a predicament 😅
cyan ravine
This is an odd play style but alr
I see
Well then it emphasises the point even more then
Cos the game works less hard if you don't build
So more cpu dependency
As long as you want high fps your answer will be cpu
If you want to play like, 8K 60fps get a 4070Ti and run maxed settings with a 7600
In a typical build the usual suggestions make sense but you're targeting a cpu bound game
Your use case favours more cpu power over gpu
Cos you want the cpu bottleneck to be as little as possible
Compare fortnite with something like Rainbow 6 and you'll see what I mean
little osprey
I only play Fortnite and want to start Minecraft again
cyan ravine
Many CPUs hit the 600 fps cap but certain CPUs go higher as they breach the IPC limit
Again it still applies
I'd do 9800X3D+7900XT or even 4070 Super
The cpu makes way too much sense for U man
Take it from again, the one guy here who's played with almost all the hardware architecture released in the last few years
little osprey
I’ll get like 500-700 fps with the stuff I got now based on the videos I’ve seen 😅
cyan ravine
So you'll get way more then with a better cpu
Thing is, if you become cpu bound, more gpu does nothing
You can't let the gpu do better without increasing settings and accepting the fps ceiling
little osprey
But what if I want to start streaming for example and have multiple things open in the background? Like Netflix, YouTube, discord, or even just a bunch of random stuff
cyan ravine
Both Radeon and NVIDIA does that just fine
I stream with radeon
It's no different to NVIDIA and nvenc
little osprey
But the cpu handles that no?
cyan ravine
No
The gpu encoder does
If you want to multitask a 9800X3D will have no issue
It has as much multicore performance as a 14600K to begin with
So...??
And you need not even half that to multitask anyway
little osprey
But if it has as much multicore performance then why change it at all?
cyan ravine
Because you'll get like 30% more fps in fortnite?
Something that no extra gpu power could do?
For $1500?
Why don't we try meeting in the middle here
You get NVIDIA, but you get the fps boost in much better fashion
I'd personally take a 7900XT tho
That pure performance would have it just shy of a 4080
Worth the $45
little osprey
But now the pc is small
cyan ravine
This last build definitely gets way more fps for your needs
cyan ravine
But now the pc is small
Does it need to be big?
You're just gaming and streaming right
The extra motherboard size doesn't give you anything these days
The slots are all done cheap now, so they have minimal bandwidth
little osprey
I already get 120-200 fps on my laptop I’d be fine with 500-700 fps heck you can only see 60 with the human eye can’t you?
cyan ravine
No
24 is perceived motion
60 is perceived fluidity at a standstill
In fast paced action 60 is like a flip book
Lol
You're swinging around, aiming, checking corners like mad, all that you easily see fps differences
If you only want 200 fps then you should stick with the laptop no?
little osprey
Yeah so that’s like the max you can really see 😅 and everything else you just kinda notice that there is a difference
cyan ravine
You definitely notice if you're trying to line up a reticle
little osprey
No I want the ability to play other games with a keyboard without having to worry about wearing out my laptop keyboard, I had a laptop before that was barely able to run Minecraft Java, and I wore out the aswd keys and w didn’t even work anymore so I couldn’t play except hook up an external keyboard to it
And I won’t have to worry about running out of storage space either
little osprey
Nah
cyan ravine
Mod the laptop with a 4tb SSD, buy a good keyboard like a bridge75, done
Ez
$400
Instead of $1600
little osprey
Laptop can barely handle having a game and discord open and websites open, I told you I’m very picky 😅
little osprey
I5-13420h or whatever it is
cyan ravine
Have you tried debloating windows
little osprey
But I only bought the laptop because I was in college and needed a laptop and wanted to play games as well
I don’t even know what you just said. Debloating?
flint sapphire
Eh screw it just buy a new pc
cyan ravine
I don’t even know what you just said. Debloating?
That answers that then
Debloating is removing most of the telemetry and background crap in a windows install
All the extra unnecessary stuff that gets in the way of an actually well performing pc
Debloating is well worth trying, you run a debloat script, it'll disable a LOT of useless windows stuff, then you also go through and disable a lot of programs you don't need constantly running
It frees the cpu right up, breathes new life
cyan ravine
Well worth a 20 minute exercise
jagged ember
Intel is literally just 3 generations ahead
cyan ravine
Yeah 13420h is arguably still really good
jagged ember
and the latest one is a huge dissapointment
and consistently worse than it's previous generation so it doesn't really count
So yeah do a debloat first and cut down on apps you don't use
little osprey
Yeah I’ve deleted a bunch of the apps I wasn’t going to use when I first got it
Still doesn’t really do much when games are hundreds of gb
jagged ember
well yeah that's a storage issue you can solve with the ssd like felix said
what we're suggesting is more for performance
cyan ravine
Ok yeah you have a cpu with as much multicore power as the cpu both me and bacca originally suggested, 7600
You have a windows issue
jagged ember
oh jesus
jagged ember
yeah if it's a 7600 it's def somethin wrong lol
cyan ravine
Go here >>> #windows-ios
Check the pins
Run one of the debloat tools there
Try that for a day
And nuke any background programs that are useless for your day to day
Things like running teams or 30 chrome tabs just cos will definitely eat into your games
If it works then you're better off just buying a keyboard
As I thought, cart before the horse here
little osprey
Nah I don’t like compact screens when I game unless it’s a phone game
cyan ravine
You have a cpu with more multicore than my own laptop and I have absolutely no issue with multitasking
cyan ravine
Nah I don’t like compact screens when I game unless it’s a phone game
Buy a monitor too
Easy fix still
Cart before the horse
If you're happy with 200fps but you're also wanting a big screen just clean the laptop and use a monitor
Not trying to be mean here lad but I've picked your brain for nearly an hour here and I'm noticing moving goal posts
little osprey
Why buy a monitor if it’s got one built in, I don’t want to play on a laptop, laptop sucks, something breaks you got to send off the whole thing to get it fixed. Pc breaks, just buy new part for it
little osprey
😁
cyan ravine
We don't need to play 20Q with a pure desire here
But your laptop sounds like it can be made better with 20 minutes of sanitising
little osprey
Been wanting one for like 10 years
cyan ravine
Well that's fine if you do but I do think the research takes it's merit
I'm pretty qualified to help here I'm an ex eSports player, coach and I've built and helped thousands of people make PC's down to the exact stuff you want to do
I know pretty well what your objectives are if you want a good pc
We haven't even talked OLED, sensor quality in mice, types of keyboards yet
This is a whole rabbit hole
And many different things play a role over the number of fps and whether it has ray tracing
I don't mind yielding but you need to be more clear
little osprey
Yeah but it’s my first pc and I wanted it customized by me a little bit instead of being totally made by someone else 😅, that’s why I took what bacca gave me and kept asking him if that stuff I changed it to was good
cyan ravine
Good is subjective
People in the PC community are very specific, asinine (as you've probably noticed with me) and have strong views
But they all have a person's best interests in mind
little osprey
Good as will it work, good on price, and not have anything wrong with it that I should know about it while also still looking good like the rgb 😁
cyan ravine
Anyone can pick any pc part and say "this is good" but if there is something better for a good reason it's gonna be brought up
You don't need to spend a fortune to look good tho
People vastly overestimate comical things
Ray tracing actually makes a lot less of a difference than people think it does
And that's just RT
Frame gen is now getting put in games cos "people want it" not knowing it adds 60ms of latency to every single action
You could talk nvenc having a quality codec when Intel's quick sync and amd's dual codec can do just as well in the standard h.265 and av1 these days
I'm not trying to bully here don't mistake me
Just broaden your perspective as to why you weren't getting suggested certain things