cases-psu-and-cooling

[normal shadow]

How do you feel about it? Do you think it’s worth it for the price?

[serene siren]

definitely think a 4000D airflow over it if you wanted corsair, or p360a

I didn't mind it, but it felt like, the space wasn't well used

If they made it slightly longer, top 360's could work for example

or if they added more depth to the back, cables wouldn't be much of an issue

4000D airflow is a newer case and I believe it addressed the cable thing, it's also much cheaper

also 465x has that generic vertical mount which is useless for most people

Yeah, thinking on it, temps weren't really that bad with it but it just wasn't great in general @normal shadow lol

[normal shadow]

Ok thanks. I’ll look into the 4000d too

[atomic moon]

Very much wip but at least I got most of the support off

It's in dire need of a makeover

[fierce pivot]

Damm bro how you use your mouse in that cage /s

[atomic moon]

You're right, I need to print a wheel for it to run on

[tame cape]

That mouse must be aggressive

[tame cape]

Was planning on making a smol pc build with my old 1070 and maybe a 2600x... And I saw this flexatx PSU on Amazon rated for 500w, but it does not have any 6+2pin for GPU, I was thinking if I could buy an adapter like molex to 6+2 or SATA to 6+2, could anyone tell me if it could be safe, and if the current is enough or will the PSU explode
Here are the "specs":

Using something like this, not sure if only one SATA will handle 150w, maybe the 2*SATA to 6+2 is better

[mild roost]

one sata can handle 50w

so you'll need like a lot more

[tame cape]

But is it safe to use a 2* SATA to 6+2? Even if it is 100w would it be safe or will it melt the cables lol

[mild roost]

eh nope

it'll melt

[tame cape]

Is it 50w physically? Like the melting point?

[mild roost]

yes

[tame cape]

I'll watch some random dude trying the 2*SATA adapter

Btw they're selling some 1sata to 6+2, that's like really bad

It's not safe

It's 100w more

Compared to the 50w the SATA can handle

Ooh
Wait
I saw Molex can go up to 132w, that would be enough I guess

Tell me what could be the best for the 1070, considering I have 3×SATA, 1×Molex and one FDD connector (don't know what that is) I'd like to keep one SATA for an SSD/HDD just in case

[upbeat dew]

just get a real psu, with a gpu connector... they are pretty cheap these days

instead of trying some dangerous contraptions

[tame cape]

First of all: I'm trying to make a small computer and I need a flex ATX PSU
Second: prices aren't good for me on the Italian market
Third: dangerous contraption? Guess if I use something like 2/3 SATA or a molex is good enough, 2 sata would provide 110w, my 1070 rarely spikes to 140 with UV.

Also I guess 140w on the 1070 isn't all from the 8pin, I guess its from motherboard too

[upbeat dew]

i remember using a molex to 8 pin on my old 750ti

[tame cape]

I think something like 20w is given by the MB

[upbeat dew]

75w are given from the pcie

[tame cape]

But the card does not use all of it

Most newer cards will use less power from PCIe

[upbeat dew]

the card try to balance the wattage from all sources

you will never have 75 from pcie and 0 from the connector

[tame cape]

Or else a 3090 would have 2x8 and 1x6pin instead of 3*8pin

[upbeat dew]

power is not given, is pulled... the pcie CAN provide 75 watts max, that doesnt mean the card will pull 75 alwys from there, but it could if needed

[tame cape]

Yeah srry, for some reason I said the mb gives power... Lol

[upbeat dew]

power hungry 3090s have 3 additional connector providing 150w each, thats a total of 450+75 extra from pci max

your card can pull 150+75 but that doesnt mean it will pull all the wattage from a single connector... it will balance it

[tame cape]

All 1070 pull a max of 150w

[upbeat dew]

much like my old 750ti... 60tdp yet using an additional 6 pin connector

[tame cape]

(maybe there are some exception for those that pull 170/180w)

[upbeat dew]

theoretically 150 max your card, but you need to account for spikes, thats why they have a lot of headroom on input

[fierce pivot]

You want a molex connector on the front io?

[tame cape]

Yeah but "spikes" are jus a few milliseconds

[tame cape]

N O H

Pato would you recommend a 2*SATA to 6+2pcie?

[upbeat dew]

he will try to source the gpu with a molex adapter

cause its psu dont have gpu connectors

[tame cape]

110watts instead of the (maybe 140) required

[tame cape]

I cant find a flex ATX PSU with PCIe connectors (that also has a reasonable price)

[fierce pivot]

Uh pcie

[tame cape]

https://youtu.be/k4lp1nxQSCQ @fierce pivot @upbeat dew

Safe.
Even 200w+ load
Safe (70C)

I'm not going to use that much

[fierce pivot]

Safe is questionable

Sata is not rated for that much power

[tame cape]

Not more than 40C stable at 150w

[fierce pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/you-do-you-do-it-dont-worry-confident-amber-wagner-gif-14361133

[slate creek]

How do these compare to P12s?https://www.arctic.de/en/BioniX-P120-A-RGB/ACFAN00156A

[tame cape]

They're really good, maybe the price is not the best but it's going to be your choice
p12 have lower rpm but push more air/minute, however for some reason the argb version performs much better, up to 5C difference in CPU temperature

Disclaimer: they can be a bit loud at 2k+ rpm

[sand atlas]

That particular one he used may have been fine but there's tons of them that use poor connections and catch fire; there's been documented cases of this when homes burned down while people were mining.

[tame cape]

The person gaming while the pc burns down down:

I guess the one I'm going to buy it's the same from amazon

This one is fire hazard

100w overload

I looked on Amazon for a "good" one, and also saw a bad one. the bad one looked like it had really thin wires, the good one has 18AWG wires, they're the same as the most used for pc cable extension. Guess will work fine, however the part that usually gets hot is near the SATA connector pins but I don't think it'll get over 50C at 140w
I could still undervolt the GPU to get it to 130 to be even safer

I could put a 40 mm fan near the cables to keep it cool and get more airflow in the smol case

[tame cape]

Dawid got the connector to 70C with a 200w GPU, in a benchmark and for over one hour.
1070 → 150w (UV 140w)
I don't need benchmarks
I don't even need to benchmark for one consecutive hour

T H E E N D.

[gritty violet]

what do you guys think of this https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/RhH8TW/gigabyte-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-gp-p750gm

[serene siren]

KILL IT

DEATH

[past harbor]

Gigglebite + psu = no from me. Don't even care if their new atx3 psu ends up decent or they have a few good models. Hard pass. Check the psu tier list

[serene siren]

I have personal experience with one of those dying

[spare pollen]

explosion waiting to happen?

[serene siren]

absolutely, do not, buy it

[gritty violet]

LMAO

[serene siren]

you want a cheap 750W, EVGA has supernova GT's on their site for under $50

buy that instead

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8&associatecode=SG6LFX7LRLICR2Y

[gritty violet]

i can go for 700w too

[serene siren]

the 850W is $5 more

[gritty violet]

sheesh

[past harbor]

The non Bstock 750 might also be $50. Think I'd pass on losing the built in 7-10yr warranty.

[serene siren]

79

[past harbor]

Btw notice they linked the DE version of pcpp.com. idk if evga.com would work for them. Personally think I'll just do G6 minimum, but also obviously have my eye on atx3 psus.

[serene siren]

good point, one sec

@gritty violet what's this psu going into?

[gritty violet]

3070 and i5 12400f

[serene siren]

these two probably if you can't get the evga one

this one too

[past harbor]

DF is an ez pick unless those other 2 are also A tier. Edit: yea that GX would be solid. Seasonic has decent service also afaik. Hard to choose now tbh.

[serene siren]

they are yea

I think the formula gold 750W as well is tier a

anything below that, I wouldn't

[serene siren]

Focus GX is really good, mine is dead quiet

[gritty violet]

I guess I will go with seasonic then

[serene siren]

👍

[gritty violet]

thanks for the help

[serene siren]

np

[fierce pivot]

Would have went txm or bitfenix nova gold but oh well

[normal shadow]

Just saw a review on the p500a… seems nice and I might get it if the price drops with a 360mm on the top and a NZXT 140aer for exhaust

[fierce pivot]

Doubt the price is dropping any time soon

[tall socket]

is the new Phanteks Eclipse G360A good?

[serene siren]

Yes

It improves upon the P360A which was good already

[tame cape]

How much power does EPS 4 pin connector provide? (Not 4+4pin) only 4

I could get a 4pin EPS to 6+2pcie if it provides enough power

Just checked, 144w for 4pin, double for 8pin
That's enough for the 1070

[upbeat dew]

you cant power a gpu with an eps cord... its a different pinout

you will roast your card

[mild roost]

i can smell the toasted gpu

[dire ginkgo]

What’s the best possible psu you can get for 150$

In terms of wattage and quality

[sand atlas]

EVGA Supernova G6 1000W

Top tier full modular and all the goodies

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdFbt6/evga-supernova-g6-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-1000-x1

[dire ginkgo]

Do you think it’ll support next gen

[sand atlas]

Nope

Not fully

[dire ginkgo]

Wait wym

[sand atlas]

ATX 3.0 power supplies are coming starting at the end of this month, they require a whole new design

[dire ginkgo]

What do you think the pricing will be

[sand atlas]

Those are the ones that have the new 12VHPWR connector for 40 series Nvidia

No idea on price

[dire ginkgo]

Will the amd require a new psu

[sand atlas]

It's not so much that a new PSU is required, adapters will exist for the 12VHPWR connector but they won't support the full 600W of power, only 450W, and you'll need to connect 3x 8 pin connectors to the adapter

[dire ginkgo]

Ok

I just built my pc and I got everything but the gpu

[sand atlas]

But if transient loads are causing the current PSUs to trip constantly then next gen with much more power draw will definitely trip protections

[dire ginkgo]

And the only part I didn’t really look into was the psu and I’ve recently realized it’s not the greatest

What do you recommend I do

[sand atlas]

Which one did you get?

[dire ginkgo]

EVGA Supernova 650 GT, 80 Plus Gold 650W

It’s completely fine with my current build

But I need a new gpu

[sand atlas]

That would be fine with up to a 3070 ti

[dire ginkgo]

Should I just get that or wait till next gen and get a new gpu&psu

[sand atlas]

Well how badly do you need the new GPU, because prices are great right now but the new AMD models are scheduled to launch in a few months (nvidia might be delayed to the end of the year)

[dire ginkgo]

I’m using a gtx 1070 and I just upgraded everything but it

So I’m looking to get one

[sand atlas]

Ok, well unless you're doing 1440p high quality gaming at 200+ fps you probably don't really need more than a 3070 anyway

That would be the way I would go

This is one of the best models of 3070, both for factory overclock and cooler design https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qQM48d/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-lhr-8-gb-gaming-z-trio-video-card-geforce-rtx-3070-gaming-z-trio-8g-lhr

[dire ginkgo]

How much does it cost

[sand atlas]

It's only $15 more than the cheapest, lesser models so I'd go with the Gaming Z

$595

[dire ginkgo]

That price is better than I expected

[sand atlas]

Right? Retail prices have been dropping like crazy finally

This is almost what you'd expect to pay for a top model card of the current generation, just a bit over msrp

[dire ginkgo]

Oh

Should I wait for it to go even lower

[sand atlas]

If you play that game you'll be in an endless waiting cycle. It probably won't go much lower until next gen launches, and you'll only save maybe $50 before then (just a guess, can't 100% tell with current market)

[dire ginkgo]

Is a amd card cheaper? If so what features do I miss out on

[sand atlas]

Yes they're cheaper, and the only real compromises are less raytracing performance (current games don't use it well anyway, except minecraft) and a slightly worse media encoder

[dire ginkgo]

What’s a media encoder

Also how much cheaper

[sand atlas]

Most people only use the encoder for streaming

$470 for a good model 6700 XT

Slightly below the 3070 in performance

Or $500 for a 6750 XT that matches the 3070 much better

[dire ginkgo]

Why do you use a nvidia card then

[sand atlas]

Previously nvidia had a lot more features that AMD couldn't match, but AMD has expanded their feature set so they have equivalent (or better in some cases) options

[dire ginkgo]

If I intend on building this for next gen stuff like starfield to last a minute would it be best to wait for new cards or get the AMD

[sand atlas]

Nvidia is also easier to overclock if that's your game

Well what resolution do you intend to play at, because that is pretty demanding

[dire ginkgo]

3440x1440

I have a ultra wide monitor

[sand atlas]

We still have no idea how that game will perform on anything but they do recommend a 2070 for 1440p, so I'd say the 6750 XT will be fine

[dire ginkgo]

I think I’m gonna get the 6750 XT

Thanks for the help

[sand atlas]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nJddnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-speedster-merc-319-black-video-card-rx-675xytbdp

Or $10 more for slightly better cooler https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RbYmP6/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-r675xtgaming-oc-12gd

[atomic moon]

in HWC's testing the 319 was cooler at lower noise levels

though HS was higher

higher clocks too

[sand atlas]

I don't think I saw that review so idk

Their rated boost clocks are the same tho

[atomic moon]

(not meaningfully higher clocks tho)

[dire ginkgo]

Can you link where to buy the Nvidia and amd

[sand atlas]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1704640-REG/xfx_rx_675xytbdp_radeon_rx_6750_xt.html

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-rtx-3070-gaming-z-trio-lhr/p/N82E16814137670

[tame cape]

Using
An
Adapter
(EPS 4pin to pcie 6+2)
Jeez

[sand atlas]

There's the sense pins to think about too though

[tame cape]

Huh?

[sand atlas]

You'd have to ground pin 4 on the adapter to make it a sense pin

Sense is ground

[tame cape]

This is the connector I bought

(bought from AliExpress 2€)

[tame cape]

Is the connector good ^
Or do I need to change it? I guess they sell only safe/working connectors...

[sand atlas]

Most of the ones I've seen catch fire were from aliexpress

[blissful thistle]

I would never trust anything to do with pcs from Ali express except maybe a USB cable

[sand atlas]

Well they have good replacement fans for GPUs too

How much wattage do you plan to put through that cable?

That EPS connector can only handle maybe 250W max before it melts

And that's assuming they used OEM grade plastic on the connector, which I doubt

[tame cape]

My 1070 uses 140w max.
Guess 130 max from the cable and the rest from motherboard PCIe.
EPS supports 144w for 4pin, 288w for 4+4 (8pin)

130w only at max stress load

[sand atlas]

Oh it's for a 1070? Weird they would even have a dual 8 pin on that

Should be ok but don't run it when you're not watching it

[tame cape]

I mean, it's just enough, 4pin EPS to one 6+2, provides 144w

[past harbor]

+75 from slot. Should be fine

[sand atlas]

Sure but look at the sketchy way they wire that, they have two 12v pins wired to one

I would not count on that connector pushing near the spec for PCIe but since it's for a low power application it "should" be fine

Right there, 2 wires one pin and I'm guessing it's the same on the other side

Now assuming it's 18 gauge cabling it's probably ok at that length but any smaller cables and I'd run for the hills

[tame cape]

Ok, anyway my 1070 will get only to 120w during gaming... Maybe

And for just a few seconds, not like minutes/hours

So you're telling me this cable is good for my needs?

[sand atlas]

Yeah it should still be fine for a 1070 but each of those pins is only rated for 50W, so I'd consider that cable a 100W max per 6+2 connector (+75W slot power)

[tame cape]

I'm going to use only one pcie 6+2 and connect the EPS adapter to only 4pin eps

I think this one is a much better solution instead of 2*SATA to PCIe 6+2

[sand atlas]

Yeah sata runs a higher risk with an adapter because the contacts on the connector can be super thin and sketchy

[tame cape]

I keep seeing fire hazards

6pin PCIe to 2*6+2pcie

💀

[sand atlas]

Sounds like par for the course on aliexpress

[tame cape]

They're from Amazon
An 75 good reviews
Oh god...

Apparently the EPS to pcie are all 8pin EPS to 2*6+2 probably because it's just right, it's safe, 144w per 4pin

Then the only thing to worry about is how thick the cable is

But it looks like every adapter is the same, like if they steal each other design/ all buy from the same manufacturer

Ok, now I'll just have to wait for the cable to arrive... 7th September 🥶

[gritty violet]

Found the Evga Supernova Gt 750w for a good price, should I go for it or stick with the Seasonic gx?

[serene siren]

GT 750W would work for yours, how much cheaper is it?

[gritty violet]

Like 15€

Is the gt tier b?

[serene siren]

ye

[serene siren]

I think you could go either way on 15 euros

[gritty violet]

and the seasonic focus gx 750w is Tier A Right?

[serene siren]

ye

[gritty violet]

ye it is definitely worth it then

[serene siren]

that extra 15 gives more quality, we had a cheaper option tho didn't we?

yeah look up bitfenix formula gold 750w

[gritty violet]

it is listed for 80€, but it isn’t modular

[serene siren]

i would do bitfenix for 10 more tbh

cos 3070

but if you want modular, focus gx sure

for what it's worth a supernova gt isn't bad either lol

[gritty violet]

the focus gx will be it

[serene siren]

fair enough

[fierce pivot]

I'd probably grab bitfenix nova gold 750w for 85 instead personally

Modular especially in atx is over hyped

[hoary epoch]

Eh it helps with cable management honestly

[urban tulip]

Bitfenix formula is god tier good. Newer stock will actually hit plat too, which is kinda cool

[crimson shell]

can someone help me with finding a external 2 pin 19v power supply for this motherboard ASUS PRO H610T D4-CSM?

i tried the pc builder but it wont show this board.

manual just says 2 pin 19v dc power supply. doesnt give size of plug.

[fierce pivot]

Why that exact motherboard

[crimson shell]

thats what im using to build a htpc.

i like that the power supply is external so i can use a smaller case.

[fierce pivot]

Right, well how small do you want because they're are normal itx motherboards that will be better and standard form factor so cheaper and same goes for case and psu

[crimson shell]

not much bigger than the size of the motherboard.

[lofty pewter]

Can also get Flex or Pico PSUs for small PSUs.

Tho, don't know any cases built to use Flex/Pico off top of my head. I do know there is some out there for Flex, and prolly some for Pico. But idk any names of them.

[sand atlas]

Might as well get a DTX board at that point too

[timid basin]

grab the core reactor instead of either honestly

5 bucks more than the GT, better than both

[gritty violet]

yes it is listed in tier A, but i have never heard of it tbh

[urban tulip]

It's a great unit

[fierce pivot]

Oh yeah didn't see the core reactor there, v nice unit, nicer than gt or the seasonic one you where talking about

[timid basin]

it's a CWT CSE, custom platform designed together with a third party lab

and the same manufacturer as a number of Corsair, Chieftec, Bitfenix, Deepcool, Montech, Enermax, Thermaltake and Bequiet units

among others

[gritty violet]

great great

[timid basin]

CWT is one of the most experienced manufacturers on the market right now, honestly

so 75 bucks for the core reactor is absolutely worth it

[gritty violet]

aight, then I am going with it lmao

would you recommend pure base 500dx case or are there better options?

I kinda don't like lian li 215

[timid basin]

500dx is nice, though I'd also look at stuff like MB511, NR600, P300A/P360A, RL06, lancool 205 mesh, pop air (XL), P400A, Fara R1 pro, Meshify C/2, G360A, Lancool II, HAF 500, H7 and a bunch of other mesh cases I probably forgot to mention (in random order)

only thing worth mentioning about the 500DX is that the stock fans aren't the most quiet

but outside of that, solid case

[gritty violet]

ye the 500dx also comes only with 3 fans, should one add more or are they enough?

[timid basin]

it's a mesh case still, so positive air pressure all the way

Gamersnexus has results with different fan configs if you want to have some insight

my main point is that BeQuiet is using pure wings 2 for the case, fine from a lifespan perspective, but not the most quiet out there given the name of the company 😄

but to be fair, most stock fans aren't the most quiet out there honestly

[gritty violet]

:):

what would you personally choose p400a or 500dx?

those are the 2 that I like the most

[timid basin]

honestly, I'd be fine with either

[gritty violet]

aight then imma stick with the 500dx

[timid basin]

sure, that works

[gritty violet]

thanks for the help

[timid basin]

All good

[marble sleet]

hi

Seasonic Focus PX-850 850W 80+ Platinum Power Supply - Corsair Professional Series HX 850W '80 Plus Platinum Power Supply

what the best?

[serene siren]

HX is better I think but also what system are you using this with

[sand atlas]

HX definitely is better than any Focus platform

[marble sleet]

why

[past harbor]

Among other things, usually price. Plat rating is often wack price also

[timid basin]

I'm gonna say HX here

It performs better electrically, is more quiet, has better cables and terminals, has a nice multirail setup

The only thing really "wrong" with it is that most people just don't need it

[urban tulip]

and possibly price

xD

[timid basin]

Hence

[urban tulip]

yea

[timid basin]

Focus PX is just a slightly upgraded Focus GX

[serene siren]

esp. with atx 3.0 on the way it's really hard to say it's worth the extra over already good imo

[timid basin]

Not really

[serene siren]

hence my question what it's for

[timid basin]

Not a single unit is actually going to meet atx 3.0 right now

[serene siren]

even the new msi one?

[timid basin]

A1000G or the upcoming one?

[serene siren]

upcoming one

[timid basin]

Upcoming one should, but testing will tell

[serene siren]

oh yeah for sure

[timid basin]

But since it's not released, I consider it vaporware until proven otherwise

Though I have a feeling they went with the MCU approach

Which I certainly don't mind

[sand atlas]

Yeah that new MEG unit should be very nice if it actually meets 3.0 spec

[timid basin]

I have a decent feeling what it is already

But we'll see

[rain shoal]

Which cases can fit the Corsair H150i liquid cooler on the top?

[elfin trout]

p500a td500 mesh 5000d airflow 7000d airflow o11 meshify 2 to name a few

[fierce pivot]

G360a if no front 360mm at the same time

[mild roost]

g360a gud but im a simp for 4000d airflow

[fierce pivot]

4000d airflow nice but have to say g360a impressive

[upbeat dew]

4000d airflow plz, 5000x is the real simp dream

[fierce pivot]

5000x sadge, glass :/

[upbeat dew]

not as good as the 5000d, but damn beautiful anyway... escpecially on white

[mild roost]

gimme 7000d airflow

pointless but it's big

[serene siren]

Ima g360a simp but not for myself but also maybe for myself later

[hoary epoch]

1000D better cause it bigger and you can make it airflow

[steady axle]

Hyte y60 have good airflow?

[fierce pivot]

It's fine

[serene siren]

I'm not really finding anything I like the size of

if it had support for a 360 in the front it'd be perfect lol

[past harbor]

$160 + for what it is, ridiculous tbh. People could easily design similar benches that support a big rad on each end.

[serene siren]

yea that's why I'm also considering a relatively thin inverted case like thin mesh

Alta G1 looked nice

matx tho

[serene siren]

hmmm

working on a different space I can try fit now, I don't think I'm gonna find a best fit in the first space

won't need/want inverting on this one

haha nvm

I can't make up my damn mind

[timid basin]

If you have any questions about it, let me know

[serene siren]

Does it fit an ATX psu?

[timid basin]

It doesn't

[serene siren]

rip nvm then haha

[timid basin]

Only SFX and SFX-L

You're physically unable to fit anything bigger in

Maybe look into SAMA IM01?

NR200 style case, but can fit matx mobos and ATX PSUs

[serene siren]

Actually SAMA is considerable, I'd be reusing parts for all except the mobo

[timid basin]

Yeah, sadly pretty much all vertical layout cases only accept SFX(-L)

The only other option I can point at is SSUPD meshlicious

[serene siren]

oh meshilicious fits atx psu

[timid basin]

Yeah, it can

So there's a few options out there... But most are oriented with smaller PSUs in mind sadly

[serene siren]

So many compromises

Thanks for the help Luke, ima keep thinking on these

[timid basin]

All good

[fierce pivot]

So does p200a and nr200

[serene siren]

yea I looked at NR200, that one does it but I get like, 120 rad support

bit smol for 5900X

[sand atlas]

It does fit up to a 155mm high air cooler

[serene siren]

AK620 time?

AAAAAH-

[sand atlas]

I believe that the AK620 is 160mm yes

Yep

[serene siren]

I would've jumped so fast on that if it fit ngl

[sand atlas]

Apparently you get a few more mm removing the AIO mounting bracket so 160mm might just fit

Holy tight fit https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/sl2maf/nr200_confirming_the_ak620_and_msi_suprim_will_fit/

[serene siren]

omg I could fit my eagle and an ak620

wtf

[sand atlas]

Just look at that poor GPU though, you can't pull that straight out lol only an angle

[serene siren]

ofc that's a one way trip under that tower

lmao

WAIT

my capture card

noooooooo

[sand atlas]

Yeah that's not going to work on a ITX board lol

USB capture card time

[serene siren]

yeah I'm looking at my other case like "there's a damn rad in the way there" lol

p200a

lemme look at that one

itx too rip

[fierce pivot]

You can fit a 280mm in nr200

[serene siren]

ya but not with the atx psu

it sits right where that radiator needs to go

[fierce pivot]

Ahh

Are you not looking for an itx case tho?

All itx boards only have like 1 x16 slot

[serene siren]

I was originally looking for an inverted ATX tbh

BUT

I am very keen on a SFF that fits an AK620

as well as my elgato

maybe torrent nano

nope

[serene siren]

huh, o11 mini non-air

[fierce pivot]

Nooo

The non air dookie

The air fits atx board tho

[serene siren]

I can fit 2x360 tho with adapters

[fierce pivot]

O11 air mini like fake itx case

[serene siren]

but does the air mini have the same compatibility?

that's why I started thinking the non-air

ahh, it doesn't fit on the desk anyway

maybe I should just get a longer desk

[sand atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/6m-rain-wallstreet-make-it-rain-gif-8203989

[serene siren]

nah like, I could just more easily fit my current case on a bigger desk lol

[fierce pivot]

Have you heard of the floor

[serene siren]

I'm tryna get it off the floor lad

lol

[fierce pivot]

Why

[sand atlas]

The floor is not a great idea but they do have PC stands to get it up higher

[serene siren]

I want it off the trolley off the floor lol

[fierce pivot]

Floor is perfectly fine if you don't have carpet

[serene siren]

I have carpet

but pc on a trolley

it's not bad bad but I want it on the desk

I clean the filters a lot but also I want it where I can sees it

hmm I could conceivably fit everything into some version of the mini

and not spend a gross amount

[fierce pivot]

F

Wood floor superior

[hollow leaf]

All the dust/hair just sliding around everytime you walk by be going under your case huh

[fierce pivot]

How dirty do you think my floor is

[hollow leaf]

I assume miniscule, but... ya never know :D

[fierce pivot]

Yeah lol not much, when i was mining 24/7, i cleaned my front filter once a week but it wasn't too bad, deff more dust than on desk but like eh

Also I don't really have room for pc on my desk

[hoary epoch]

I have carpet floors and small room and husky so PC has to be on desk

[fierce pivot]

My dog sheds 24/7 but he isn't allowed upstairs so that helps but you still drag around his hair lol

[tame cape]

@maiden rose this is the new design for the mini case, blue: MB, purple: FANs, yellow: cooler, green: PSU, orange: GPU, red: RAM.
Basically with this new case design (26x22x11cm) has more holes (hexagons) fo airflow, the GPU is facing down and sucking air from the bottom (like the PSU), the cooler sucks air from the opposite side of the GPU and all the hot air that accumulates should get out from the 2 (purple) 80mm fans near the cooler

On the 3rd photo you see the back with the motherboard I/O, PSU VDE and GPU I/O, there are some holes to add even more airflow (mostly for the GPU)

[tame cape]

For now I didn't put holes on top of the cooler and fans because it would have covered the image, of course I'll design them later

[tame cape]

@maiden rose you think the airflow will be good enough?

[sand atlas]

If you use Delta fans maybe

If it's for a lower power system you might get away with less airflow, after all that's how HP does it.

[tame cape]

I'm going to use 2* arctic p8 3k rpm

Just tell me if I should make room for a third one near the GPU

[tame cape]

@sand atlas
Do you think these hexagons as holes for the fans are good enough?

[mild roost]

ye

[sand atlas]

What are the dimensions of them? Thickness of the material between?

[mild roost]

but thickness matters

[sand atlas]

I could extrapolate based on 80mm fans but lazy

You don't want the support plastic between too thick or it'll block airflow, too thin and it'll break easily. The classic conundrum.

[tame cape]

The hexagons are 2cm from top opposite ends. What do you mean with the thickness? Like in the photo?

The entire case has 3mm thick walls

@sand atlas @mild roost

[mild roost]

that sounds like enough for air to move

[sand atlas]

And what's the diameter of the hexagons?

I'll calculate your current ratio for hole size

[tame cape]

The diameter is 2cm

[tame cape]

You mean how much air moves in that space?

[sand atlas]

So 20mm?

[tame cape]

Btw based on this photo the yellow part (cooler) will suck air in and the purple part (fans) will push the hot air out

[sand atlas]

Ok that makes it 90% ratio which is great airflow, some of the best real cases don't get that high

[tame cape]

It's because the have may little holes with too much space between them

[sand atlas]

The best I've seen in a real case is like 96% and the panel flexed like crazy

[tame cape]

Inside the case I could use some 3d printed curved sheet to redirect hot air being blown by the CPU cooler to the 80mm fans

In my case the hexagons are spaced like 4mm

That way it won't break / bend

Most of the air from the GPU will be blown out from the I/O and front since there are holes for airflow

[hazy forge]

Does anyone have any experience with the Lian Li O11 Air mini? I am looking at that as a replacement for my air restrictive case and wondering if it is a decent air case...

[past harbor]

Good case, bottom intake helps gpu temps. Can fit normal atx psus. Don't pay over $120. Obviously aio fitment is somewhat limited vs others like 4000D or w/e so keep that in mind.

[hazy forge]

newegg has the white one for 110 right now

[past harbor]

That's pretty reasonable afaik.

[hazy forge]

Hmm maybe Ill have to pull the trigger on that this week. Might wait till tomorrow to see if newegg pulls out even better deals with Prime day.

[tame cape]

Last design for the micro case
26x22x11cm
Super compact and airflow efficient (guess the 2 80mm fans will provide enough airflow)
Just need to add some 2.5" drive support and a small cable compartment

Individual photos ↓

It can lay down or stay up on the little feet

:)

[tame cape]

@sand atlas tons of airflow here holes everywhere

[gritty violet]

.

I have each of these twice, which one should I use for GPU?

3070*

It is the pcie cable

[upbeat dew]

ehhh both are the same... its a 6+2 gpu connector

ideally you want a separate cable for each connector but a bifurcation in one should work fine on a 3070 anyway

3070 not a power hungry card

[fierce pivot]

The one that is a brick without the 2 pin separated goes into the psu although that's extremely short

And for a 3070 yes you will need 2 seperate cables , not pigtail

[fierce pivot]

avg model goes to about 280-300w, 75w from slot and 8 pin is only rated for 150w

I mean yes they can provide more but

[upbeat dew]

i was expecting something between 250-280, but yes you are right, thjats why ideally you want 2 separate cables instead of one and a bifurcation

but that should work no problem as well, unless you want to oc the card

[gritty violet]

so two of these?

[upbeat dew]

yup

one for each gpu connector

[gritty violet]

aight aight

[cinder portal]

I've got a screw that won't come out of the case in the back where the brackets go. What should I do? It's stripping at this point. Keeps spinning with my screwdriver but doesn't unscrew.

[sand atlas]

Grab some pliers and pull/turn until the threads grab again

[cinder portal]

Got it!

[small locust]

hey, I have as SSR-650GB seasonic psu, and I want to put a 5900x and 3070 in. Will it blow up?

I currently have the 5900x and a 1070 in my system, but I was told that my particular psu had a tendency to blow up if it was overdrawn

as for other stuff, I just have a 1tb nvme, 16gig 3600 ddr4, and like 6 fans.

[sand atlas]

It doesn't have any overcurrent protection so yeah if it's overdrawn too long it won't shut down safely and instead go boom

That is a tier E unit, you want a B tier to handle a 3070 especially with a high power CPU

[small locust]

yeah, I had no idea what I was doing at the time

bought the psu two years ago

So as for wattage tho, is a 650 still fine, or should I go 750

[sand atlas]

Probably 750W to be safe and leave some headroom for overclocks

But 650W would still work

[small locust]

tbh the difference between B tier and A tier in the EVGA stuff (I think that is the cheapest?) is like $10

[sand atlas]

This one is presumed A tier and is $70 prime day deal https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZCQcCJ/nzxt-c-2022-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-7g1bb-us

[small locust]

oh, nice! thanks!

yeah, I am definitely the most lacking in knowledge when it comes to psus. most of the other components I am at least somewhat competent in.

The 5900x was definitely overkill and probably a poor purchasing decision, but I got a pretty good deal on it.

[sand atlas]

Nothing wrong with a 5900X imo. If it's in the budget, then it's a good buy.

[small locust]

well, it is a bit much for a 3070, as far as build balance goes, but I cant afford more than the 3070

I tried to justify it with rendering, but I dont do that frequently enough to really justify it

[sand atlas]

Nah it's a great match for the 3070, especially if you play in 1080p. It'll be a good CPU for years too.

[small locust]

I was hoping to step up to a 1440p monitor, since I currently just have a 1080p 75hz ultrawide

not bad, dont get me wrong, but I have always wanted a higher refresh rate and 1080p is a little rough even with anti-aliasing sometimes

[sand atlas]

Oof 1080p 75Hz

Anything is an upgrade over that tbh

[small locust]

My problem is I have become accustomed to playing with like 100+ degrees fov on an ultrawide, but that is just not in the budget at high refresh 1440p

[sand atlas]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095X7RV77

$40 off normal price for prime day

[small locust]

that is massive lol, my 1080p is 27inch

thanks!

also pretty well above budget, but I have not started looking with vigor yet

[sand atlas]

Well it seems that 34" is about where 1440p ultrawides start

[small locust]

yeah makes sense

I have more or less resigned myself to just having normal res on my gaming monitor by now

[sand atlas]

$250 gets you a decent 27" 1440p 16:9 easily

[small locust]

yeah, that is more what I was thinking.

maybe go 32 inch and $300, idk

[neat relic]

just bought this for my tertiary/gf’s PC

[ember hound]

Ive got a 32 and its pretty nice, i need a bigger desk though lol

[ivory scaffold]

Hey can a computer properly boot/run with a 600W PSU?

Specs:
GPU: 3060TI
CPU: R7 5700X
RAM: 32GB
MOBO: (Unknown at this very moment)

[blissful thistle]

Yes

[ivory scaffold]

Thank you guys

[urban tulip]

what 600w psu?

[blissful thistle]

@fringe granite

[lament zephyr]

nice edit ;)

[blissful thistle]

sorry lol

[fringe granite]

ty

[lament zephyr]

all good 👍

[autumn latch]

Hey all, I just ordered a ASUS 3090 Ti TUF Gaming OC, so I'm upgrading the PSU to a 1000w 80+ Platinum. The PSU is an EVGA, so the PCI-E connectors are labeled as VGA1, VGA2, etc. Since the 3090 Ti requires 3x8-pin connectors, I just want to make sure there are enough cables with the PSU, or will I have to utilize the one that comes with the the card and 2x PSU cables? Also does it matter what "VGA" port each of the GPU power cables go to? Here's the PSU...EVGA SuperNOVA P3 220-P3-1000-X1 1000 W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

[serene siren]

Would not pair a 3090 Ti with a P3
Try this instead, it's better and cheaper:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdFbt6/evga-supernova-g6-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-1000-x1
P3 is a tier B. I wouldn't consider it at all

[knotty mesa]

the reason of tier b is lack of review

Some HEC platform

[urban tulip]

looks to be quite similar to GT except a bit more efficienct

ofc time will tell but im guessing it would stay in b and move to high b if reputable testing came out

[upbeat dew]

also the order dont matter, all vga ports have the same voltage on the same pins

they are just numbered to keep things tidy

as long as the 8 pin is on the psu and the 6+2 on the card

[ivory scaffold]

My phone just told me I had a notification sorry

My friend says "it just says 80"

It's a prebuilt, Omen

[mild roost]

Hm

It could range from 80+ bronze to gold

But HP generally has decent psus

It'll run fine on that

[ivory scaffold]

Okay good, he needed this upgrade badly. Last computer he has his CPU Cooler just stopped working

Also a lot of other problems

[urban tulip]

cpu cooler just stopped working is kinda weird unless its a crappy aio

[ivory scaffold]

He got the thing back in 2016, so

[urban tulip]

thats still a pretty quick failure time unless some meh aio

[upbeat dew]

question, 750w should be enough for 12700k+690+3060ti?

[blissful thistle]

Yes

[upbeat dew]

im assessing if my current ga750 will suffice or to go for a g6-850

thx for your opinion baca 🙂

[blissful thistle]

GA is one of the meh versions of evgas g_ psus

Tho it should be fine for those

[upbeat dew]

ik, thats whats worried me, but all good, 3060ti max power spike recorded was 215w, so even with a 220w ocd cpu ill be in the 750 range on the psu

seems like the 60ti have no spikes problems as the higher end cards phewww

trying to piece together an oc version of my build when the 13th gen drops on ddr4 using a 690 edge and a 700k, but the psu requirement was breaking my head.

funny, fans and aio consume less then 5 watts each

[autumn latch]

So what makes this a tier B? It is rated higher (platinum) then what you are recommending.

[blissful thistle]

Plat, gold, bronze, speak nothing for quality

Theyre just efficiency

There's titanium units that I wouldn't touch with a five foot pole

Also, if you haven't bought it yet

Please don't buy a 3090 ti

Especially if you're gaming

[autumn latch]

Why do you say that?

[blissful thistle]

Because 3080 12gb games within 10% of it

[autumn latch]

Ahh gotcha...

Well unfortunately, I have already made the purchase

[blissful thistle]

3090 ti isn't worth it unless it's 1k or cheaper

[blissful thistle]

You can cancel the order

[autumn latch]

If I cancelled the order and went with a 3080 Ti, would I need to change out my PSU, which is currently an 850w

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wQNxFT/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-ftw3-ultra-gaming-video-card-12g-p5-4877-kl

Depends on the model

There's good 850s and there's awful 850s

Do you know the model name?

[autumn latch]

It is a Thermaltake Toughpower GF1

[blissful thistle]

It's a speculative A tier, so at the very least b tier. It'll be fine

[autumn latch]

Hmm

Both the card and the PSU have already been shipped, so I can still cancel and return, it will just be more of a wait now

[blissful thistle]

I would 100% do it

How much did you pay for that gpu anyways

[autumn latch]

1499

[blissful thistle]

Ye...no

$660 for 10% extra gaming perf

[autumn latch]

Started seeing 3080 ti's for 1000 and thought I should have waited

[blissful thistle]

3080 12gb more worth it

Its like 3% worse than 3080 ti

[autumn latch]

The GPU will be here tomorrow, maybe I will just take it down to Microcenter to exchange it out for a 3080

[blissful thistle]

I would very much try to

It's the worst price/perf gpu in current gen

[autumn latch]

Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated

[blissful thistle]

Np

[knotty mesa]

GF1 is speculative due to the existence of another variant that’s worse

[tame cape]

Tf lol

90 plus?

[tame cape]

After I've made the project for my own mini case I need to make some "feet" for the pc when it's laying on the "large side" because there are 3x ~90mm fans on this side (2gpu and one PSU). I needed to know how tall they have to be to let air in
(Basically I need the distance between the desk where the pc will be and the side of the pc
This photo is the side where the pc lays down with 3 fans ↓

[tame cape]

I also need help with PSU wattage, I've tried calculating it with outervision PSU calculator but at this point I think the values are exaggerated...
My system is i5 9400f + 1070 both will have slight undervolt, I'll also use 1 92mm fan (CPU) and 2 80mm fans.
I'd need to know the current on every rail and see if they exceed Silverstone FX350-G max wattage outputs.

https://outervision.com/b/pxSBu5
These are the results outervision PSU calculator gives me, I guess they're strange because of how the CPU wattage is calculated

[serene siren]

Welcome to the meme. Lol

[upbeat dew]

meh, ltt had a 95 gold in one video

a 2kw chinese psu or something like that for mining

90 is very inefficient

[cloud coyote]

is it worth case swapping a hp pavalian

[fierce pivot]

A hp pavilion what from what?

[sand atlas]

You usually can't, the motherboard is a weird form factor. You'd need a new case, motherboard, and power supply to swap it so it's basically a new PC at that point.

[urban tulip]

Probs cooler too lol

[serene siren]

May as well make ur own fan holes at that point

[sand atlas]

Yeah a case mod would be a lot cheaper. A Dremel and some drill bits are cheaper than an almost complete PC

[past harbor]

I totally cut out the stock fan grill for my rear case fan, then also left off the wire grill guard when I recently swapped in the nice new Arctic fans. Digging the P12. ---EDIT: yea mine easily pulls off & only the lower front fan even has a filter because that's what holds the fan.

[urban tulip]

May be able to take the whole damn front panel off too depending on the pc

Just drill the rivets if it has them tbh

[hollow leaf]

1.5" is my guess.

[hollow leaf]

5000D has 1" and looks pretty spacious. You could possibly go with 2" keep in mind that the screw in the pic is 2.5" so if you went any higher your pc world be that high.

Also, don't judge the panel cables looking funny. The hot glue came unstuck yesterday and just haven't fixed it back up

[sand atlas]

(judging intensifies)

[tame cape]

Yeah but 3.8cm on a 11cm case is horrible

I thought something like 5mm

Or similar

[hollow leaf]

I did say you could do 2"

[tame cape]

Nvm, I'll make them magnetic so that I can remove them whenever I want, or I'll just keep the case vertically

[tame cape]

uh? no?

[hollow leaf]

I was going to suggest finding a way to make them removable. Can even try out different heights

[hollow leaf]

I did though. reread what I sent above the pic

[tame cape]

I'll put magnets on the edges of the case and I'll print some feet with "metal" inside so it can stick to the case

[knotty mesa]

cringe

[thorny kiln]

anyone have an o11d titan one case with the bitspower block on the front? just @ me

[vast galleon]

Who is try this case?

Check this out on @Newegg: NZXT H510 - Compact ATX Mid-Tower PC Gaming Case - Front I/O USB Type-C Port - Tempered Glass Side Panel - Cable Management System - Water-Cooling Ready - Steel Construction - White/Black, CA-H510B-W1 https://www.newegg.com/matte-white-black-nzxt-h-series-h510-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811146317?Item=N82E16811146317&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-11-146-317-_-07182022

[blissful thistle]

It is not good

H510 is an oven

[vast galleon]

Okay what better case under 100$

[blissful thistle]

P360a, g360a, 4000d airflow, mx330-g air

[knotty mesa]

MX330g air a tight fit for cpu coolers

Se224xt barely fits in it 😦

[blissful thistle]

Yeah, good budget case though

[urban tulip]

Lancool 205/215 may also be under $100, and they're both great cases

[knotty mesa]

indeed should just be duly noted

would hate to be the one buying a Chonk dual fan cooler only for it to not fit

[blissful thistle]

Tbh though if you're buying a chonky heatsink you prollly aren't spending $60 on a case

[limber knoll]

He ain’t wrong

And real pc builds just use the boxes for open air

😎

[sick viper]

Trying to find a decent open pc “case” or whatever to fit an ATX board within ** 16.8 × 11.2 × 6.1"**

EDIY Stackable PC Case Test Bench Open Air Computer Case for ATX Motherboard Aluminum Bracket DIY Bare Frame ATX Chassis Support Intel AMD Graphics Card https://a.co/d/8NqaPUK

Closest I could find

Look if I cant get airflow to be good in a pelican case, then I may make it so that the frame with all components can be lifted out through some mechanism I will figure out later.

[timid basin]

Probably best to look for a mobo tray and cut it to size

[fierce pivot]

The name for what you're looking for is a test bench

[past harbor]

$80+ for that ediy stuff is ridiculous.

[fierce pivot]

That's pretty cheap in test bench territory

They're demand is low so they cost way more

[past harbor]

Hah, then high cost = low demand too. There's an ediy model for $55-60. Few aluminum pieces sure is profitable.

[fierce pivot]

Chicken egg situation

[sand atlas]

Simple economics, low supply means higher costs. They also can't take advantage of large scale production to cut per unit costs.

[weary vine]

motherboard box

[sick viper]

Found something. I suppose all that is left is an I/O panel. Thanks

[kind mist]

Does anyone have experience with broken glass from shipping? My 5000X QL back glass is completely shattered. I called support and have a claim issued. I already emailed the claims department the pics so they can send me a new case. Does anyone know if they will request for the case to be sent back?

[blissful thistle]

if they do, they will pay for shipping

[kind mist]

Im only wondering because stuff I do on my pc is my only source of income and if they Don’t need it back, Ima just build in the broken case and when they send me the new case, I’ll take off the back of the new case and put it on the broken one. I wana be back up and running asap.

[blissful thistle]

ah, i see

no back up pc?

technichally you dont need a case to build, just depends on how comfortable you are with it

[kind mist]

So the stuff I do is inside VR and my laptop doesn’t have a DP. My water-cooled kinda went pop and ruined every square inch of the pc so…

[blissful thistle]

ah damn

[minor portal]

Maxzanzs#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[kind mist]

Oop- I’d be super scared to do that

I’d be stoked if they didnt want it back too because the 5000x QL has 4 fans included

[urban tulip]

• anti static bag 😎

[upbeat dew]

not as expensive as i imagined

[urban tulip]

Go look at the 5000T then, lol

[upbeat dew]

that one is too much tech for my country 😛

[urban tulip]

Too much money too 👀

[upbeat dew]

at least she will have a shiny pc to clean every day xD

[sand atlas]

Not necessary since cardboard doesn't conduct electricity

[urban tulip]

i just do it to protect solder and stuff on the back of the board since may as well

you get one that comes with the board anyways

[sand atlas]

You'll want to make sure it's the right kind of anti static bag too. Some are actually conductive.
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/5990/do-antistatic-bags-have-conductive-interior-exterior-or-both

[urban tulip]

mhmm

[mild roost]

damn

[past harbor]

Most of these bags are conductive on the exterior actually, yep.

[mild roost]

good thing i never leave anything powered on with those bags

[fierce pivot]

That's worse actually less heat dissipation from the board smh