#building-and-recc-chat
celest horizon
Why recommend bying a 7000 cpu when 9000 comes out in a week?
mossy venture
Ye that's fair
little osprey
7k prices are about to go š
and 50 series launching early next year
4080 super for 700 pls ty
mossy venture
No budget doesn't mean value isn't relevant tbf
little osprey
^
potent portal
little osprey
iām not spending 6k on a single gpu, i also donāt need 48gb vram
celest horizon
True - so ada is obviously out, but 4090 should be the play, no?
And a 4TB 990 pro boot?
Better yet, 905P off newegg for ~$300 1.5TB
mossy venture
I just don't like the idea of $700 extra for a 30% perf difference, but I'm not the one playing in 4k
celest horizon
Then 990 pro 4Tb game/data drive
potent portal
990 Pro had poopy firmware didn't it
celest horizon
990 Pro had poopy firmware didn't it
Long fixed
little osprey
4090 is only like 13% better than 4080 super, and 4080 super is half the price
mossy venture
4090 is only like 13% better than 4080 super, and 4080 super is half the price
?
30%*
Still not worth the price hike
potent portal
Long fixed
Sure but is it fixed for every one that was on the shelf? And it's a recurring issue too
little osprey
nah you gotta update the firmware in those ssdās
celest horizon
I meant as soon as you boot up the rig, just check the firmware and update if needed
mossy venture
990 pro being x2 means it's not that much better than p44 pro as well
potent portal
Yeah true it's only x2
celest horizon
That said - sad to see one of the most historically reliable ssd vendors **** the bed in this manner
potent portal
I'd grab MP44Q myself
mossy venture
Really not any reason, especially when you won't really notice the diff between any of these high end ssds and a cheaper nvme like the mp44q for gaming/casual use
celest horizon
x2?
jagged ember
Usb 3.2 gen2x2?
little osprey
hang on, iāll make a pc part picker list of what i was fooling around with before i came in here tonight
jagged ember
Or are we talking about the nvme slots on the mobo
celest horizon
I've never seen that, the 990 pros I have all run 4.0 x4
mossy venture
On 4.0 yes
vague oracle
Am I being dumb? I thought the 990 pro was 4.0 x4?
mossy venture
5.0 it runs x2
celest horizon
Yeah, but that's like, nice to have, no? such that you could run 2x on a 5.0 capable platform
jagged ember
P44 pro or mp44q should be just dandy tho fr
mossy venture
Either way any of these high end ssds are so similar, compared side by side in otherwise identical systems they'd be identical.
potent portal
MP44Q is a bit of a sleeper with 7400 read and only $220 for 4TB
celest horizon
You're not going to see the gains of a 990 pro unless you really utilize long queue depth random read low thread count
Or similar
vague oracle
I feel like thatās pretty much every 4.0+ drive
jagged ember
You're not going to see the gains of a 990 pro unless you really utilize long qu...
Maybe if you write hundreds of gigabytes of files constantly
celest horizon
I feel like thatās pretty much every 4.0+ drive
Not true, plenty of the cheap drives fill out the majority use case while the 990 pro/simililar really do excel at that performance demand
jagged ember
Loong long writes the 990 excels at right
vague oracle
Fair enough, never really looked at cheaper drives
celest horizon
Maybe if you write hundreds of gigabytes of files constantly
Not what I was saying at all, TBW/day is a completely different use case dimension
celest horizon
From the tom's review in oct-22, if sustained large data write is what your'e after, 990 pro is not the play
mossy venture
Even p31 1Tb
There's a lot of great choices atp
Mp44q as fal mentioned, mp44, mp44l, p41 plus, gm7000, fx900 pro, xg7000, nm790
little osprey
dusky hearth
Extreme Linux iso torrenting
mossy venture
Msi released like 6 or 7 models that are all decent
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j7ZXKX
That's certainly a list
vague oracle
MiniITX + 360 rad donāt really go together
little osprey
oops
potent portal
Extreme Linux iso torrenting
Gotta get a PC that can compete in the nationals for competitive simultaneous upload/download
stoic island
seems lacking context, are you trying to use a specific case?
little osprey
meant to select 280
dusky hearth
440 for a mobo
vague oracle
I also thought you were going for custom liquid cooling 
vague oracle
440 for a mobo
About on par for decent ITX boards for AM5 I think
little osprey
yes
mossy venture
vague oracle
Iād go for a gene instead of the strix tho
little osprey
lemme look
vague oracle
Also how do you feel about having an external rad? Mo-Ra 420 is hype for ITX
celest horizon
Also how do you feel about having an external rad? Mo-Ra 420 is hype for ITX
no, no, no, really?
vague oracle
Are moras not recommended anymore?
celest horizon
yeah, run an itx case but bolt a car sized radiator to the wall, yep
little osprey
LOL
celest horizon
meta
jagged ember
yeah, run an itx case but bolt a car sized radiator to the wall, yep
Genius
vague oracle
Oh Iāve never seen it actually bolted to a wall lol
little osprey
i'm really trying to get a large shoebox situation going on
vague oracle
Actually no Iāve seen it once
dusky hearth
The sneaky under desk radiators
vague oracle
yeah, run an itx case but bolt a car sized radiator to the wall, yep
Mostly was thinking about tubing especially in like a cramped ITX case like the Jonsbo D31
little osprey
i mean my specs now aren't even bad, i just want to get myself a nice little birthday present š„²
jagged ember
The sneaky under desk radiators
Frrr
stoic island
might defeat the purpose of ITX though
jagged ember
I hear minisforum stuff is dope
Granted, mini pc
Attaches to the back of your monitor vesa mount mini
But their 780xtx or 790xtx has oculink which you could hook up to an EGPU dock
One of which they also sell
mossy venture
i mean my specs now aren't even bad, i just want to get myself a nice little bir...
I would wait for 9000 series launch like forks said.
jagged ember
But obviously it's gonna be a bit limited for performance
potent portal
Are moras not recommended anymore?
Mo-ra was never "recommended" since for a typical user it tends to have worse performance and much more difficult setup
It's pretty rare for a case to have the grommets for external liquid cooling like the old days
vague oracle
I guess Iām too used to talking with people who arenāt really the typical user
jagged ember
For a sleeper build in like a really old case tho
little osprey
mm, yeah im not planning on purchasing anything until mid-october to novemberish anyway, nothing is really set in stone
jagged ember
Custom loop, run the loop through two holes in the case for the tubes to connect to external rad
vague oracle
Definitely wait for 9000 series to come out then
little osprey
new build is gonna be worth more than my car š
potent portal
If your car is worth less than $3500 then your money might be better spent
little osprey
i have plans for it sir
jagged ember
~~My 1987 toyota corolla is worth that much ~~
vague oracle
If you aināt slapping a K20 block/K24 head combo into your š© box, youāre doing it wrong
little osprey
it's a 1997 accord LX, and in just a few months S1Built is releasing the AWD kit for it. by this time next year, i'll have a k24a2 with forged internals and a 40mm turbo
sussy gets it
with a3 head tho
vague oracle
I got an I think 08? accord in Poland Iām waiting to do something similar to once itās engine dies
Current daily here in the US is a 2023 WRX
little osprey
i USED to have a 2013 accord coupe
little osprey
but you know, bad decisions
celest horizon
By then 9000X3D should be out
Do you know if there's an expected delay between normal vs x3d releate date?
little osprey
i've totaled 9 cars in 5 years :/ my insurance costs more than some peoples rent
lol
vague oracle
How tf
jagged ember
Got damn lmao
vague oracle
^
little osprey
never hit a person
jagged ember
Do you do demolition derbies
little osprey
or another vehicle actually
vague oracle
Takeover kid?
little osprey
nah
jagged ember
Like what is happening kekw
dusky hearth
That's more cars than years
dusky hearth
i mean i did drive into a building once
HOW
jagged ember
That's NOT how you're supposed to demolish a building
vague oracle
That's NOT how you're supposed to demolish a building
I meannnn
I may or may not have demolished a farm silo like that
jagged ember
Doesn't mean you can't
little osprey
i was so shocked at how it played out. it was 1 am in rural texas, cops show up and see 2 exploded 24 packs of beer in my back seat
thing is, they were sealed
jagged ember
Its just not OSHA approved
little osprey
not even opened. they exploded from impact
vague oracle
OSHA exists to ruin my fun
little osprey
long story short i got to literally walk down the street no tickets or anyting because i was 2 blocks from my destination
dusky hearth
potent portal
Do you know if there's an expected delay between normal vs x3d releate date?
Yes, AMD confirmed release schedule today for regular 9000 and X3D is expected to launch with the new chipsets, which AMD said would be in "a few months"
https://x.com/AMDRyzen/status/1820956835794358451
Twitter
jagged ember
Or do forklift jousting and raise both forks at the same time for infinite lift
celest horizon
Yes, AMD confirmed release schedule today for regular 9000 and X3D is expected t...
oh, nice
little osprey
i used to zip around the warehouse doing donuts in the forklift
one time i got too comfy and dropped a 3500lb supersack though
dusky hearth
https://tenor.com/view/forklift-double-forklift-gif-11926305439769567619
Loading docks are a bit high at this location
dusky hearth
Was the forklift overloaded
little osprey
nah i just didn't see the giant dip in the pavement beside the truck
dusky hearth
Oh
little osprey
and i was raising as i drove towards the curtain trailer
vague oracle
I am still so confused on how itās possible to total 9 cars
dusky hearth
In 5 years
vague oracle
Iāve got no clue how insurance companies still insure you
jagged ember
That's wild
dusky hearth
"so yeah, new car..... Nothing happened in particular to the previous one, just felt like getting a new one haha"
little osprey
i mean if you don't damage anybodies property there's no reason to report it, unless i want a full coverage claim and to get a check or new car
but that just raises my rates
so i just bought a new car
little osprey
"so yeah, new car..... Nothing happened in particular to the previous one, just ...
literally
vague oracle
Maybe itās time to go back to drivers Ed? 
little osprey
i actually got a 97 on my test lol
analog hearth
Driving tests aren't that hard lol
vague oracle
Anyone can pass a US driving exam if theyāve had 5 minutes behind the wheel of a car
little osprey
idk man, i wrecked most of them, one was full catastrophic engine failure, the piston left orbit
analog hearth
Nah thatās not your fault
little osprey
but that wasn't my fault
dusky hearth
What kinda jank ass cars you getting gaddam
jagged ember
Aliens when they encounter a piston flying through space at Mach infinite
little osprey
dodge durango, chevy colorado, honda accord, nissan versa, hyundai elantra, pt cruiser, 2 honda accords in a row
oh i guess it was only 8 ive ruined
im on my 9th
vague oracle
Average Facebook marketplace specials
little osprey
9th car in 5 years/4th accord in 5 years
jagged ember
Don't ruin this one
jagged ember
We didn't hear that from you though
little osprey
in a years time though when it's a 700hp awd monster o_o
i'm gonna takeover the streets of portland
vague oracle
Yeah nah youāre totaling that the second you pull out of the driveway
You somehow crashed a Versa š
dusky hearth
We didn't hear that from you though
That one guy on a video call with the court in a car without a license
little osprey
okay that one was a special incident
little osprey
That one guy on a video call with the court in a car without a license
i actually feel for that guy
vague oracle
That one guy on a video call with the court in a car without a license
That was skeeter
little osprey
i live between texas and oregon
my license is from texas
so im suspended here in oregon
can still drive in 49 states
vague oracle
Plz no
little osprey
honestly i understand why it was suspended though, even though im not happy about it
there's laws that are 100% accountable, under any circumstance. i was drugged and blacked out and woke up to a totaled car and police interrogation lol, still got a DUI even though i got mickey'd
jagged ember
Wow yeah that's terribly unsafe
little osprey
in my defense, if i could remember i wouldn't have gotten in the car
neon condor
lost forum
Does anyone know why my monitor has a green line glitch and sometimes gives me black screen for a second?
obsidian wigeon
Likely gpu, drivers, and maybe even display cable issue
Firstly I'd run ddu and reinstall gpu drivers
?ddu
jolly riverBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
lost forum
Thanks. I'll check it out
analog hearth
Does anyone know why my monitor has a green line glitch and sometimes gives me b...
Do you overclock? Particularly your GPU
lost forum
Do you overclock? Particularly your GPU
No, just the normal settings
manic cloak
Uhhhh
I know itās missing VRAM and chip, but is it even possible for somebody to repair it?
obsidian wigeon
yes
but at that point
why bother
finding a 4090 with good core but bad vram isn't easy, nor is it economically viable
and the pcb has high chances of being damaged as well. unless you're there to physically determine it, it's not worth the risk
manic cloak
and the pcb has high chances of being damaged as well. unless you're there to ph...
Ya Iām not buying it, had a feeling somebody here would ask for it be shipped out to them through PayPal š
dusky hearth
what does missing vram and chip mean? did they take out the gpu chip???
obsidian wigeon
im guessing they took the board out actually
dusky hearth
lmao
obsidian wigeon
but kept the shroud and heatsink
unless the owner is insane enough to desolder everything
and sell it as an empty pcb
dusky hearth
that would be pretty funny
sand plover
:c
weak flint
what does missing vram and chip mean? did they take out the gpu chip???
the same way you add vram to a gpu you remove it lol
people usually do this to make profit from the components cause the gpu might not have that much value for customers
so sell caps, vram, chip, etc... separate
a common thing with mobos
dusky hearth
the same way you add vram to a gpu you remove it lol
but the gpu chip is so hard to remove that it's not even really worth it? unless they're talking about some other chip
and usually doner gpus are a dead gpu
and if the gpu chip still works, it would probably be easier to swap whatever broken thing (vrms, vram, etc.) onto the gpu rather than to take that die and put it on another gpu board ā ļø
weak flint
but the gpu chip is so hard to remove that it's not even really worth it? unless...
you dont remove it you drill it out
i mean i could see someone doing that but usually at a larger scale you just drill it out and send it to someone
weak flint
and if the gpu chip still works, it would probably be easier to swap whatever br...
people don't want a gpu that has been tampered with
dusky hearth
i mean, drilling it out is technically removing it, but it's removing it in a different way than i would think lmao
strong raft
"You don't leave the room, you are sucked out by a black hole"
weak flint
i mean, drilling it out is technically removing it, but it's removing it in a di...
havent you seen those videos of the guys speed running drilling mobos?
they drill a single mobo in like 3s into 5 parts
potent portal
Oh yeah those Chinese companies do that to harvest chipsets off boards to use in their Frankenstein motherboards
weak flint
Oh yeah those Chinese companies do that to harvest chipsets off boards to use in...
those are russians
also no company does the process its pretty much "slaves"
potent portal
They're probably doing it too sure
You see weird boards all the time on Ali
Like a desktop socket board with a laptop chipset
weak flint
You see weird boards all the time on Ali
yeah dude ive seen russians have b650 mobos running ryzen 5
those guys are built different
weak flint
i meant 5000
potent portal
Ah
weak flint
not sure how they go about flashing the whole mobos firmware and stuff but yeah (with half of it being from other mobos)
potent portal
The same way any motherboard vendor does it, but with pirate tools
And a lot more jank
weak flint
i dont imagine it to be fun
potent portal
The hardware itself is more versatile than AMD and Intel want us to believe. The official board vendors get specific instructions on what they can and cannot do, but pirates never cared about rules
weak flint
The hardware itself is more versatile than AMD and Intel want us to believe. The...
thats literally andriod lol
potent portal
Pretty much
tepid roost
Anyone know if c16-20-20-38 Rgb Vengeance 3200Mhz ram would work fine with c16-18-18-36 3200mhz rgb vengeance ram?
everything is the same other than the cas latency
I installed both sets already and it seems to be doing perfectly fine so far but I just wanted a little reassurance
cyan ravine
Please don't mix vengeance
tepid roost
even if the only difference is cas latency?
cyan ravine
Those are quite literally, the only ddr4 that has an almost sure fire guarantee of mixing ram and causing problems
The 3200 bin no less is infamous for it
cyan ravine
If you want more ram, buy a matching set
tepid roost
ofc they changed the cas latency a tiny margin too compared to the previous vengeance
cyan ravine
It's not a cas change
tepid roost
I thought it was a matching set when I bought it
cyan ravine
It's a whole die change
tepid roost
seems like a pointless one but then again Idk
cyan ravine
The version numbers need to be identical to stand even a mild chance of compatibility
And even then they lie sometimes about that version number
tepid roost
its 3.30 vs 3.31 š
cyan ravine
Yep
tepid roost
should I just return the ram and get a different brand?
tepid roost
I already had the previous vengeance just wanted to go from 16 to 32
really didn't think they'd change something that didn't need to be changed
cyan ravine
You can buy another 16 from the same place on the hopes it's the same
Tbh if it's not bought at the same time tho
tepid roost
bought it from amazon
tepid roost
and returning stuff is the most annoying process ever online
tepid roost
yea I'm gonna
the 16 I bought wasn't even expensive so ig it my fault for not researching earlier
thanks bro
cyan ravine
Np
sand plover
The box for the Ryzen 9000 are bad
cyan ravine
U like it that way don't u
dusky hearth
honestly yeah
i'd rather buy something with a plain box rather than some crazy graphics
jagged ember
Means they spent more money on the producf
jagged ember
Than a dollar or two on the packaging
jagged ember
With a market markup of course
lone flame
but if the box looks cool enough it can go on a shelf like a gpu or cpu box
itd be so boring if 4090s came in brown boxes
cyan ravine
itd be so boring if 4090s came in brown boxes
My KS did
sand plover
itd be so boring if 4090s came in brown boxes
Omg yes I love the unboxing part
pseudo pollen
itd be so boring if 4090s came in brown boxes
If I got a 4090 in a brown box I would be ecstatic
wild peak
Does anyone have recommendations for a liquid cooler? Rn my cpu is a 7600X
dim reef
i built my pc but my audio port isnt recognizing my headset does anyone know why that could be (i installed audio drivers and my mic is plugged in through usb-c and works)
crimson zinc
Does anyone have recommendations for a liquid cooler? Rn my cpu is a 7600X
Air
wild peak
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9VmNnQ/thermalright-frozen-notte-argb-7237-cfm-...
Whatās the difference between that and this which is $4 cheaper
crimson zinc
Whatās the difference between that and this which is $4 cheaper
https://www.am...
Nothing
mossy venture
Whatās the difference between that and this which is $4 cheaper
https://www.am...
I'd take the aqua elite v3 in white
It's not a big difference, the aqua elite is just slightly better
Believe better for longevity
manic cloak
Quick question
if I were to build like a server (for minecraft, terraria, steam games, etc, idk for close friends) would I have to do anything special?
I plan on using Newegg's refurb motherboards, then scrapping anything I can find on fbm, would intel or amd be better for this?
jagged ember
Not that I know of
Just which software you decide to host on i guess would be the only special bits
I can attest to this for Minecraft lmao
plucky timber
I use a haswell mini pc to host Minecraft
Server runs remarkable well when you don't have windows eating up half the resources with bloat
manic cloak
Server runs remarkable well when you don't have windows eating up half the resou...
Ya I plan on using that windows bloat remover in #windows-ios
If I even do 11
I might do w10
cyan ravine
@lone flame u on b650 or a620?
plucky timber
Ya I plan on using that windows bloat remover in <#657753562247462922>
Or don't use windows
manic cloak
I don't know much about Linux unfortunately
of course I don't know much about windows either
plucky timber
Spigot has a very comprehensive guide
manic cloak
I still gotta figure out if the server is worth creating
lone flame
<@486271010161819648> u on b650 or a620?
b650
manic cloak
currently inbetween the 2 week mc server and pixelmon phase š
plucky timber
Are you going to keep it up 24/7?
manic cloak
Are you going to keep it up 24/7?
Kinda?
manic cloak
I'll likely keep it down for 2-6 hours at a time
manic cloak
Yes and no
basically
We got people from SE asia
and CST/EST
People there have school
while we sleep
so there's a good 2-6 hours where I can keep it down
plucky timber
Are you using vanilla?
manic cloak
CurseForge
plucky timber
Ah
manic cloak
Probably should do an intel CPU right?
plucky timber
Doesn't really matter
Ram is what you really need
Cpu should have good single thread performance
manic cloak
Doesn't really matter
even am4 vs lga 1700?
plucky timber
I mean
Is the single thread different worth it?
Also I wouldn't recommend buying current and last gen intel
Especially with something that's gonna run for a prolonged period of time
manic cloak
I don't plan on buying anything new, ik intel runs hot and a bit energy sucking aswell
plucky timber
Platform itself doesn't matter
manic cloak
Cause they got a b550, z790, b650 all for around the same price after rebate
so
i'm skipping out on b650 bc ddr5 though
plucky timber
I assume you haven't heard the news about the intel cpu degradation
plucky timber
oh boy
cyan ravine
my old board was a620m
'tis asrock? 
plucky timber
Basically there's a massive degradation issue affecting current and last gen intel cpus atm
cyan ravine
https://youtu.be/OVdmK1UGzGs
manic cloak
oh boy indeed
plucky timber
It is a manufacturer side problem
manic cloak
this is the thing though
plucky timber
But anyways with a Minecraft server
manic cloak
past year and a half is what it's investigated as
I got mine in 2022
Late 2022
No clue if it's still effected or not
manic cloak
Never is tbh
plucky timber
Anyways with the Minecraft server you only need something with good single core
So I'd say an i3
strong raft
microcode updates for the cpus have been going out.
manic cloak
Ya.. I haven't updated the BIOs or microcodes since then so..
plucky timber
Something like a 12100f would be good
Or hell a 9100f
Coffee lake shouldn't be expensive these days
manic cloak
still looking around
I mean there's a 5600x for only 70$, practically never used apparently
plucky timber
Actually ehhh 9100f is a bit old
manic cloak
dude lives in the middle of no where so it's at that price
plucky timber
You have to account for gas tho
cyan ravine
@manic cloak #tech-industry-news message
manic cloak
You have to account for gas tho
Gas is cheap where i'm at, plus I have connections for native american reservation gas
plucky timber
Honestly at $70 that might be around the price of most i3s
Can always underclock and undervolt it too
b450 boards can also be found for pretty cheap
cyan ravine
if I were to build like a server (for minecraft, terraria, steam games, etc, idk...
Quite literally most of anything with enough ram and a cheap enough price
Go get a cheap xeon 6 core and 32gb ddr3
strong raft
ignore the "2days", but:
plucky timber
Or an a520 and a 2x16gb kit
cyan ravine
Sure
plucky timber
Go get a cheap xeon 6 core and 32gb ddr3
Ok you literally can't beat that
manic cloak
Go get a cheap xeon 6 core and 32gb ddr3
true
plucky timber
That's like $70 for cpu, ram, cooler
plucky timber
power consumption tho but š¤·āāļø haswell
plucky timber
Yeah the low core count xeons aren't too bad
cyan ravine
For the amount you pay initially you have a lot of leftover cash for affording it's electricity
manic cloak
Though
plucky timber
I mean I run my server on a quad core low power haswell
plucky timber
So that's more than enough power
plucky timber
Running it internationally wouldn't effect it
no
manic cloak
i'm not saying im moving
cyan ravine
Running it internationally wouldn't effect it
Nope
manic cloak
alr
manic cloak
Realized somebody lives in france and Italy so
plucky timber
And you're not running it on home internet for some reason
cyan ravine
Use a good psu if you intend to leave the house with it on pls
plucky timber
Yeah
manic cloak
we got asians, french, and italians on the server š
cyan ravine
I don't want no fire stories
cyan ravine
Doesn't need to be rm
manic cloak
oh ya i'm not buying a thermaltake smart
cyan ravine
Just a good one we normally suggest
manic cloak
unless I wanted to leave it at the post office
plucky timber
Yeah tbh it's not running a gpu or anything so
manic cloak
I mean it could
plucky timber
And it's not running exactly 24/7
manic cloak
Ya
I do plan on having timed shut off's for it
with uhh
I forgot what app it was
plucky timber
linux
cyan ravine
Any usual $80+ psu we suggest would be thoroughly overkill which is reassuring
plucky timber
Aren't the RMs $80+
cyan ravine
No
plucky timber
Or are they $90
manic cloak
Any usual $80+ psu we suggest would be thoroughly overkill which is reassuring
i'm not buying anything retail unless I gotta
cyan ravine
110+
plucky timber
jesus inflation
manic cloak
I think I have a rm850w still for 50$ on my acc
plucky timber
I swear they were cheaper
cyan ravine
RMe is occasionally 95
manic cloak
tuf gaming 750w 50$
cyan ravine
Ridiculous for 1300w
But solid
Tuf 750w is fine too
I could trust that one
It has all the usual safeties, just meh ripple
manic cloak
a750gf for 60$
cyan ravine
Solid
manic cloak
650gs sn for 25$
cyan ravine
No clue
lone flame
'tis asrock? <:teriV:805804151367663657>
yes it was an asrock
manic cloak
evga 650gs
lone flame
i now have a gigabyte
plucky timber
motherboard?
lone flame
yes mobo
cyan ravine
yes it was an asrock
Would you be willing to test something for an XOC'er if it works
lone flame
idk what xoc is
cyan ravine
Extreme overclocker
lone flame
considering im scared to break my current system no
cyan ravine
That's ok
lone flame
my current system is getting occasional blue screens and has audio issues still so no sorry
cyan ravine
They're looking to unlock pbo on it
manic cloak
folks
cyan ravine
So yeah, if you're not willing it's fine
manic cloak
150$ 12700k on the market š
P750GM for 60$
Ehh
Gigabyte psu's are just meh in general
cyan ravine
P750GM for 60$
Wouldn't ever
manic cloak
didn't a few blow up
cyan ravine
Yeah mine did
manic cloak
š
cyan ravine
It would probably somehow find a way to attempt on my life in the process
cyan ravine
Yes
No problems now? Great
Until when
Update now
And monitor for further changes
The latest update has demonstrated a proper improvement
cyan ravine
Current voltage behaviour of 129 is favourable
manic cloak
though wouldn't they release more updates till september?
manic cloak
alright
cyan ravine
We are just waiting for wear testing
manic cloak
ehh wouldn't I not be covered if it was bought nearly 2 years ago?
also I just update bios correct
manic cloak
7/17/24 is the latest for the z690 tuf gaming d4.. I'm not so sure about that one
cyan ravine
You would be, but the process will take at least 3 days longer
First thing they'd request is to update bios and the turnaround time for intel is 3 days atm
cyan ravine
7/17/24 is the latest for the z690 tuf gaming d4.. I'm not so sure about that on...
Beta bios is available on wccftech
Oh wait
It possibly may not be for tuf
Iirc prime isn't rn
cyan ravine
Mmm
125 does have healthy changes but up to you
129 to me seems to have done a lot more
There are measurable changes on 129
125 just has some degree of etvb fixing
Which I don't believe is on 13600k anyway?
129 you can see a real physical change to the VR limits
manic cloak
i'll just wait off then
cyan ravine
Alr
manic cloak
surely it should release by next week
unless they do their 3 month bio release schedules š
cyan ravine
Should do
manic cloak
just it seems so strange
cyan ravine
Within the week we will know if it's a bust or not
manic cloak
something like that happening
manic cloak
Within the week we will know if it's a bust or not
true
cause people are still testing + with more updates
cyan ravine
something like that happening
Cos they started trying to change their maximum spec for the process node
If voltage being the culprit is to be believed
manic cloak
Ohhh
cyan ravine
Intel whether they fix it or not, will be in hot water for this
If this micro code proves itself, they stopped the flood
But not the angry residents
plucky timber
https://tenor.com/view/drifting-bulldozer-coming-on-my-way-sliding-into-dms-hello-there-gif-13568079
A disaster to rival bulldozer
broken basalt
Hey I need help. I have a amd 3800x and a 7900xt gpu. It works fine but in older titles I'm getting 30fps while even some of the newer titles I'm only getting 60-130 fps
I'm talking older titles like doom quake and the like
So what can I do to get higher fps for all my titles
mossy venture
Hey I need help. I have a amd 3800x and a 7900xt gpu. It works fine but in older...
It's past time for a cpu upgrade
broken basalt
I built it with it
mossy venture
3800x loses to a 5600 by like 10-15%, and that's still underperforming for a 7900xt
I would either grab a 5700x3d or jump to am5
broken basalt
I'm on a fixed budget. I'm on comp and I was given the 3800
mossy venture
Ah
broken basalt
What can I do to make it preform better
broken basalt
Msi aio and 16 gbs
mossy venture
I would enable PBO in bios on the cpu, which is a minor overclock. It won't make a huge difference but it's something
What speed ram
And what size aio
120, 240, 280, or 360
broken basalt
And what size aio
24aio and I believe 3200 I got the biggest 16 gb kit I could
broken basalt
Well, Quake is capped at 72 FPS
It's only getting 30
broken basalt
24aio and I believe 3200 I got the biggest 16 gb kit I could
240
mossy venture
24aio and I believe 3200 I got the biggest 16 gb kit I could
Alright
Enable pbo in bios
muted patio
For Quake, check the FPS cap in game and also in the AMD software. On the older games it's not a hardware problem
mossy venture
You could try ram tuning, however it is a pain
broken basalt
What's that under for an Msi mobo
mossy venture
Overclocking
broken basalt
You could try ram tuning, however it is a *pain*
Never tried it I just enable xpo
mossy venture
YouTube would have a tutorial and you can specify your motherboard make and model for a more specified video
Also vintage is 100% right about the frame cap
broken basalt
Also vintage is 100% right about the frame cap
Which I expect but I don't expect 30fps he's saying 72
muted patio
I said more
muted patio
It's a software setting somewhere, Vsync, FPS cap in game settings, etc
mossy venture
Never exceeding 30 fps you're being fps capped somewhere
broken basalt
Never exceeding 30 fps you're being fps capped somewhere
Vintage is right. I was hoping it could be made better
mossy venture
I mean, pbo will improve cpu perf
muted patio
For Quake specifically, you don't want more FPS because it screws with the physics in the game
mossy venture
Ram tuning would potentially improve cpu performance and overall responsiveness
muted patio
nomore than 72 if you do uncap it
broken basalt
nomore than 72 if you do uncap it
Then wonky physics got it
muted patio
It could also be in software rendering mode
mossy venture
Aside from those though, the only path you have is a cpu upgrade
You could see if you can find a 5600 for a straight trade to your 3800x on r/hardwareswap
broken basalt
Aside from those though, the only path you have is a cpu upgrade
I figured that. Ig what I need to know, whats the biggest baddest am4 cpu since the platform is dead
mossy venture
5700x3d
You'd see some 35% performance increase?
If you went used/open box or anything like that, 5800x3d is also good
They just perform so similarly the latter isn't worth it new
broken basalt
They just perform so similarly the latter isn't worth it new
OK so used 5800 or new 5700 got it
mossy venture
OK so used 5800 or new 5700 got it
Specifically the x3d
The non x3d is around 20% worse in gaming
broken basalt
Specifically the x3d
I understand that
mossy venture
Peace
sand plover
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156348624398 would this be a scam?
dusky hearth
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156348624398 would this be a scam?
it's a bid
er
auction
sand plover
it's a bid
I mean like do you think the item works and stuff like that Iāve never used eBay or fully trusted it
dusky hearth
seller marked condition as used
sand plover
So it may not be good?
dusky hearth
no, if it doesnt work, it would be marked as for parts/not working
sand plover
no, if it doesnt work, it would be marked as for parts/not working
Ohhh so it may just not be that that good?
dusky hearth
if you get a package damaged from shipping, and the cause is from the seller not packaging the item properly, you should also be able to get a refund
dusky hearth
Ohhh so it may just not be that that good?
there is no difference between a used and a new cpu in terms of performance
sand plover
Oh
dusky hearth
it could be a better or worse bin though, but that doesnt have to do with the usage of the cpu
sand plover
How would I know that nothing is damaged with it
dusky hearth
visual from product images
and you trust the seller's words, if they have positive reviews and a good seller/buyer history
sand plover
Alright
dusky hearth
ebay like i said, has buyer protection, so if something arrives that isnt as described, you can file a complaint and you should get a refund
sand plover
Ok thatās good
dusky hearth
"should" because ebay sometimes is funky and sides with the scammer, for both the seller and buyer side, but honestly bad actors are in my experience fairly rare
just always go by the principle of "if it looks too good to be true, then it's probably too good to be true"
sand plover
Ok then what about this one does this look like it may not be true?
dusky hearth
why did you send the link for one thing and a sc for another
it would be way easier to check if it was a link
š
analog hearth
Why even send just a screenshot tbh
dusky hearth
real
analog hearth
Bruh the Share button is right in the middle at the bottom
sand plover
Bruh the Share button is right in the middle at the bottom
:c
analog hearth
bruh
sand plover
sand plover
condition used
Yea Idk
dusky hearth
they have a bunch of "good buyer" reviews from a year ago
sand plover
they have a bunch of "good buyer" reviews from a year ago
So itās not a scam since there are good reviews?
dusky hearth
well, that's not the only factor
because there are fake reviews that could happen
also the price of the gpu is around the same as the current market from what it seems
so it's probably not a scam
i make no guarentees but nothing about this seems too sus
strong raft
I wouldn't feel 1500 is low enough at this point.
sand plover
I wouldn't feel 1500 is low enough at this point.
How come?
strong raft
Just personally. 50 series isn't out, but we're getting closer and closer to it. Although, gaming trio is a good model for that $1500. Lot of change for a used card I felt. 4090 market probably isn't huge though.
serene onyx
Hey guys
is this decent?
Is there anything you think i should change or keep? My budget is 1.3k
mossy venture
what do you use the pc for
mossy venture
anything intensive for work?
mossy venture
intel 13th/14th gen has a major defect, it's a hard pass at the moment
serene onyx
Yeah i heard
we where talking about it at work
Supposedly there dropping a fix soon
Still very iffy tho
Ok let me find a different optio and i will resend the list in second
mossy venture
mossy venture
also
serene onyx
Yes?
mossy venture
3080 ti is $470 from zotac refurb on ebay rn
serene onyx
Oh hell yeah
serene onyx
i will check that out
mossy venture
ill get you a link soon
serene onyx
Ok thank you so much
mossy venture
this is also a thing https://www.ebay.com/itm/155985525984?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
little osprey
could you guys help me identify a pc case by chance š
all i know is it's a corsair, but i can NOT find a model number or anything besides the serial number on the back, and that leads me to nothing when i search :/
cyan ravine
all i know is it's a corsair, but i can NOT find a model number or anything besi...
Try google lens
crimson zinc
all i know is it's a corsair, but i can NOT find a model number or anything besi...
Send it
lone spindle
Is the 5700G good enough for a 6750XT without being a CPU bottleneck? I'd rather have a slight GPU bottleneck than CPU.
crimson zinc
Yes.
mossy venture
Is the 5700G good enough for a 6750XT without being a CPU bottleneck? I'd rather...
If you drive own the cpu, no
If you do, it's fine
lone spindle
Yeah I already have it so I'll just stick with it
mossy venture
If you drive own the cpu, no
Autocorrect didn't like me there huh
But ye 5700g is OK. G cpus have less cache and slower cores than non g cpus, so the 5700g is worse than a 5600 in games
But you can always swap it out for a 5700x3d and see a 30%+ difference down the line
analog hearth
Is the 5700G good enough for a 6750XT without being a CPU bottleneck? I'd rather...
I ran a 5600G with a 6800 XT and it was fine enough. That combination should be even better
mossy venture
I ran a 5600G with a 6800 XT and it was fine enough. That combination should be ...
Thats... certainly pushing it lol
analog hearth
yeah fr honestly
analog hearth
Not by much (I also barely tested and barely used this system. But for what I was doing it was fine)
I'd definitely put more stress on the GPU if I rebuilt that system lol
weary galleon
VR can be pretty physics intensive
dusky hearth
According to task manager, my cpu is at like 99% Util and my GPU was at like 60 lmao
weary galleon
task manager isn't a great way to look at it tbf
dusky hearth
Rahh
weary galleon
util percentages don't always represent what's going on
dusky hearth
True
muted patio
What resolution is your VR headset?
dusky hearth
Whatever res the index is again
muted patio
Valve Index??
dusky hearth
Ye
muted patio
2880Ć1600 for both screens. Yoiks
muted patio
Yes
Bit bus on the 6750XT VRAM is also low
Accessing 12 GB of VRAM on a 192 bit bus = slow performance
In this case, CPU might actually be slowing you down too
dusky hearth
Valve says it's lower
dusky hearth
Mainly that tbh
Sometimes frame drops, but that's mainly in beamng whenever I crash lmao
muted patio
If it's when you crash, that's probably CPU load calculating physics
dusky hearth
I mean when I crash a vehicle, not the game crashing lol
Though the game has crashed before but the beamng VR mode is also technically experimental (since it only works in the Vulkan rendering mode)
But the actual game crashes are pretty rare
muted patio
I know what you meant
Crashing requires cpu physics load and then it will drop frames
dusky hearth
Ah
Yeah that's what I assumed was happening as well
But yeah I've wanted to upgrade to a 5700x3d or smth
muted patio
not sure if a 5000X3D would help with that or not since it's the same core count and I don't think physics calcs utilize the extra cache
dusky hearth
Been looking for a good used deal through
Though*
Not as many killer deals in Canada 
muted patio
Funny plastic money up in there
dusky hearth
Lmao
I remember when they launched the plastic money
It was cool seeing the watermarked transparent thing
dusky hearth
Don't put it in the dryer though
muted patio
No, it melts
dusky hearth
It shrivels up lol
muted patio
I have some of it from my last trip up there
I always save currency from all my trips
dusky hearth
The Canadian Mint says that it can survive dryer cycles, but I assume they mean like, on tumble dry or something, because the plastic money definitely doesn't really survive even a medium heat dry
Yeah it's cool seeing how different the currencies are in different parts of the world
muted patio
I also have money that is no longer in circulation from some countries
dusky hearth
I had a one dollar bill from the us.... Somewhere
I have no idea where I put it though
muted patio
$2 bills are where it's at
strong raft
1995, 2009, 2013
covert vapor
I get the occasional person paying in $2s. One dude paid with about 7 of them, three of them were 1976 series and one of them was in really good condition
strong raft
That's cool. I've spent or misplaced a few in the past. Saving these. Gonna see if my grandma has any stashed. I got some on birthdays
covert vapor
You can request them from banks if they have them in a vault, they don't circulate a lot so odds are if they got some from the 2017 series they still have them
languid nimbus
Cool to see $2 Bills just unfortunately arenāt worth anything more than face value most times
covert vapor
Anything of value is pretty much pre-1976 series $2
Besides the usual serial number rarities
strong raft
Oh I know, just fun to have or use rarely. Stuff I really don't sell is a 30+ yr old silver dollar or something. Only have 2 of those though
mortal prairie
Anyone have any idea how much fps i would run on low settings on rust with a geforce rtx 4070 super and ryzen 9 7900x?
cyan ravine
A lot
More if 7800x3d
Like a LOT more, rust loved x3d
X3D causes it to explode in fps
potent portal
If you're just gaming then the 7800X3D is about the same price and games about 25% better on average
lone flame
i am still having audio issues with a few of my steam games, ive noticed Doom 2016 and Helldivers 2, everytime I boot up the game I completely lose PC audio, almost like my headphones disconnect, i have checked like every audio setting in windows and the games and it cannot be anything in there, immediately leaving either game returns my PC audio to normal, I am out of ideas
booting up doom 2016 flashes a blank green screen for some reason as well right before getting into the bethesda logo etc
sand plover
That's cool. I've spent or misplaced a few in the past. Saving these. Gonna see ...
I have a 2$ bill I love it
strong raft
I have a 2$ bill I love it
It's great! People think they're fake. Gonna get 50 of them* if my local banks have them. 
sand plover
It's great! People think they're fake. Gonna get 50 of them* if my local banks h...
You can still do that?
strong raft
Will find out. Figure there's a few floating around.
sand plover
Will find out. Figure there's a few floating around.
Could you tell me if it works?
Ty <3
mortal prairie
More if 7800x3d
I wish I got the 7800x3d before i pulled the trigger on the 7900x š
cyan ravine
I wish I got the 7800x3d before i pulled the trigger on the 7900x š
Hey if you still got a return window... 
mortal prairie
Hey if you still got a return window... <:terismug:652765929490612245>
if i overclock the 7900x, should it be as fast or faster than the 7800x3d? Sorry if this question sounds dumb, not too familiar with overclocking as this is my first pc im building
cyan ravine
Won't be
dusky hearth
the cache is the difference
mortal prairie
What would overclocking do
dusky hearth
make the clock speeds faster
cyan ravine
Overclocking will get you a bit closer
The cache is just explosively better for rust fps
Certain games have phenomenal jumps in fps - rust is one of them
Pretty sure 5800x3d is faster than 7900x in rust
mortal prairie
So certain games will get more fps using a 7800x3d rather than a 7900x or is it pretty much all games
cyan ravine
Pretty sure 5800x3d is faster than 7900x in rust
And 13900k/14900k for that matter
cyan ravine
So certain games will get more fps using a 7800x3d rather than a 7900x or is it ...
Certain games but overall it's just a lot better anyway
It's basically like a whole generation jump overall
Don't use ryzen 9000 to compare this statement, it bucks the trend
mortal prairie
I gotcha. The whole purpose of me getting this pc was to play rust competitively but I wish I done more research before getting that cpu
cyan ravine
If you can return anything, 6800xt + 7800x3d
Those would be a far bigger increase than 7900x + 4070
Or even 7800xt
New gen rdna 3 has anti lag 2+ now
That will give you the biggest fps jump and nicest latency
Then you'd consider other things like an oled monitor, optical keyboard with new mutlitap functions, 8k polling, mouse with good 8k sensor too like a viper v3 pro
Op1k
Etc
Wooting 60he
Ktc 240hz oled
Etc etc
Those are the things that give the biggest jumps in latency
Which gives the best end to end performance for comp
And the great thing about x3d is overclocking really doesn't do a whole lot due to the massive cache buffer
Debloating windows does more for x3d than oc so it's a bit of a grasping for straws suggestion on that front
mortal prairie
Debloating windows does more for x3d than oc so it's a bit of a grasping for str...
So if I just end up keeping the 7900x, will overclocking improve the gaming performance to a point where I would notice the change
cyan ravine
So if I just end up keeping the 7900x, will overclocking improve the gaming perf...
Uhhh...somewhat. You won't get 7800x3d numbers tho. As far as I'm aware not close
lone flame
i am still having audio issues with a few of my steam games, ive noticed Doom 20...
anyone have any ideas to this?
analog hearth
nah
cyan ravine
booting up doom 2016 flashes a blank green screen for some reason as well right ...
Are they old installs from before any hardware changes? Try reinstalling them if it's not a big deal
potent portal
So if I just end up keeping the 7900x, will overclocking improve the gaming perf...
Not really noticeable. It would be like going from 100 fps to 105.
Whereas the 7800X3D would be like going from 100 fps to 140. (in rust specifically)
lone flame
Are they old installs from before any hardware changes? Try reinstalling them if...
i had both before i swapped motherboards, i reinstalled doom the other day and it did not fix the issue
rain bloom
Thoughts on this deal?
languid nimbus
Eh
Pretty not great tbh
I guess with the monitors it makes it a bit better
But #tech-deals message Bacca posted a deal here of one thatās got a 4070ti & was only $1050
And you can find monitors pretty darn cheap nowadays
crimson zinc
Thoughts on this deal?
Negotiate down to $1,100 and then take it.
graceful summit
Thoughts on this deal?
The cpu might overheat
crimson zinc
CPU should be fine, but Iād inspect the system before purchase.
rain bloom
Negotiate down to $1,100 and then take it.
My current PC specs are:
Ryzen 5 5600x
NVIDIA 1660 Super
2 TB Samsung Pro 980 with 1 TB 870 EVO
B550-A Pro with WiFi adapter
16 GB of Corsair 3000 mhz ram
Iām currently using it for 1080p, is this nicer than what I currently have?
I donāt know much about Intel unfortunately.
weary galleon
I'd probably just upgrade your gpu rather than buy a whole new system
rain bloom
Kinda what I was thinking! Problem is my brother also needs a PC and he seems to think Iām in charge of finding it! He has zero interest in building, should I build one for him or just find a prebuilt or something like that deal above.
Also what would be a reasonable GPU upgrade for me
rain bloom
If I wanted to go 1440 that would be more than enough?
graceful summit
1440 what
rain bloom
I built mine to handle pretty much any game at 1080 166 Hz, if I go to the 3070 Ti would I be relatively future proof for 1440 around that speed?
stoic island
Also what would be a reasonable GPU upgrade for me
What's your budget for it?
rain bloom
Considering Iāll likely need a new monitor as well probably like $500-600
vale epoch
3080 ti
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387248416303?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632...
How would the gre fit his specs?
Its also got memory overclocking support
vale epoch
Yeah it would but what do you mean by that second part?
Adrenaline had a driver update specifically to support overclocking on the gre apparently
So turns out the update actually raised the limits
The driver version seems to be 24.3.1 specifically
rain bloom
Would need to know what power supply you have
Formula gold 750 watt non modular, had to dig through my old photos
mossy venture
So turns out the update actually raised the limits
A long while ago yes
mossy venture
Formula gold 750 watt non modular, had to dig through my old photos
7800xt/7900 gre/4070 super would be fine
However 3080 ti I wouldnt be so sure about
@jagged ember had issues with a d.f 850 running a 3080 ti due to power spikes
rain bloom
TI draws that much power huh? Wouldnāt have expected that but thatās why I check with the professionals
mossy venture
You could go 3080 ti and pl it to 85%, that should be fine
mossy venture
You could go 3080 ti and pl it to 85%, that should be fine
Would lose less perf than you'd think
mossy venture
TI draws that much power huh? Wouldnāt have expected that but thatās why I check...
It doesnt consume that much, but it has high power spikes
Fractions of a second when the power spikes to 2-3x average load
Formula gold is an A tier psu, but I'm not so confident in it handling a stock power limit 3080 ti
rain bloom
Also parts on average last for like 5 years right? I built 2 years ago and my GPU was used
rain bloom
As in no overclocking and decent de dusting? I donāt have the best cooling (stock Ryzen cooler + GPU fan + out fan from case) but other than that Iām kind to it
vale epoch
A long while ago yes
yh and turns out its also super confusing with cards having better overclocks with samsung memory chips or smth
mossy venture
As in no overclocking and decent de dusting? I donāt have the best cooling (stoc...
There's a program called msi afterburner
Default is 100% pl
Drop it to like 85
mossy venture
yh and turns out its also super confusing with cards having better overclocks wi...
That's kinda always been a thing
rain bloom
For my current one or the new one?
mossy venture
It's not with every gpu, or every generation
But samsung, micron and hynix vram/ram all behave differently
mossy venture
For my current one or the new one?
If you went 3080 ti
rain bloom
Got it!
tawny violet
@mossy venture most powerful GPU on a 650w A tier?
dusky hearth
<@654444344274845698> most powerful GPU on a 650w A tier?
what cpu though
dusky hearth
honestly, with how low draw the 7800x3d is, you may be able to squeeze a 4080ti in there LMFAO
you can definitely have a 7900gre though
er
i mean 4080s
idk why i said ti
tawny violet
It's the card we all wish we got
I might say screw it and go with a 750 anyway
It might just be good enough for a 7800X3D+4090 build
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> most powerful GPU on a 650w A tier?
7900 gre easily
tawny violet
I'm fully expecting it to be a good 30% more expensive here than the 7800X3D
mossy venture
7900xt if you feel like pushing it
4070 ti super would be fine too
4070 super easily
tawny violet
NGL
Might just skip the 9800X3D and get a used 7800X3D when the new gen comes out
Used chips when new gen come out tend to get 30% cheaper here
And I doubt it'll be that much faster
Now I could be wrong but I tend to plan pessimistically so I can get pleasantly surprised later
tawny violet
4070 ti super would be fine too
4070 Ti Super to 7900XT is close right?
In terms of raster performance
mossy venture
Yes