tech-industry-news

[sleek phoenix]

As capacative triggers are buggered

[tawny aspen]

Tiny tower pocket planes

Pocket trains

[sleek phoenix]

Lol

[tawny aspen]

Even then if I could personally figure out Android emulation or soemthing I'd be playing all the mobile games on PC instead

[cyan hamlet]

Android emulation is easy

Just install retroarch

[tawny aspen]

I have the big stupid

[cyan hamlet]

The interface is a bit clunky and you need to do a good bit of extra downloading for it to work properly

[tawny aspen]

Kinda forgor what to do to get my stardew save data from all my other devices and such

[cyan hamlet]

Pro tip: put your save games into a cloud sync folder

Google drive, onedrive, etc

Latest save on every device

[tawny aspen]

I would like to do that but via nas instead

I'm also too stupid to figure out how to empty my gdrive lol

Need to figure that out so I don't run out of emails

[cyan hamlet]

NAS is a bit more tricky since retroarch doesn't like networked folders

You have to mount the network folders as a local drive.

Windows calls that mapping

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/motherboards/msi-z790-motherboards-reportedly-failing-with-cracked-pch-chipset-a-manufacturing-error-may-have-affected-a-few-hundred-units

[sleek phoenix]

Small PSA to any Fanatec buyers

If you're in the market for sim gear, they just sacked their CEO and they appear to be showing signs of closure

Be it in the chain rn or looking to get into it, it's hardly the same as to when I bought from them years ago

Plenty of other good alternatives on the market out there right now

[tawny aspen]

driving/flying sim stuff?

oh ig just driving

[rancid steppe]

Is there anyone that can tell me how all CoD games are named? I never understood a thing out of them. I just played Warzone (1) or whatever's called. What are the other things like modern warfare, MW3, how warzone seasons work,...

[manic horizon]

I can recommend Moza Racing to anyone looking to get into sim racing, their stuff is amazing right now

[manic horizon]

Sure they are ~100 euros more than the cheapest Fanatec offering, but on the higher end in features, and they are not locking you to one ecosystem

[chilly moat]

5 days late but yeah their stuff became really bad over time. A lot of orders people place didn’t even ship too

Just taking their money fr

[near yew]

[tawny aspen]

Did you buy that nft

[near yew]

[shut osprey]

https://www.gamesradar.com/just-before-nintendo-shut-down-the-3ds-and-wii-u-servers-fans-rallied-together-and-gathered-23000-data-dumps-to-preserve-dlc-that-was-nearly-lost-forever/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/04/12/apple-iphone-16-pro-ai-llm-ferret-siri-display-new-iphone-16/?sh=66fcfbe65059

We are lacking news

[tawny aspen]

Breaking news

My computer is asleep

[versed dagger]

Rip

[mental epoch]

😩

[shut osprey]

You nappa you get slappa

[sleek phoenix]

You slumber, a cucumber

[shut osprey]

You sleeped, you weeped

[sleek phoenix]

You catch up on some Zed's, you get outta my heads

[shut osprey]

You slumber, a hamburgerIDONTWANNATALKABOUTIT

[sleek phoenix]

You're about as deep as a bowl of soup, and your tongue, about as sharp as a soup spoooon

[shut osprey]

YOU LEAVE SOUP OUT OF THIS

[sleek phoenix]

YOU ONLY GOT ONE PEN-

LET ME SEE IT

[shut osprey]

SEE IT WITH YOUR EYES, NOT WITH YOUR MOUTH

[sleek phoenix]

I'LL CALL YOUR BLUFF, I'LL SEE YOUR PEN- WITH YOUR MOUTH, AND I'LL RAISE YOU, with my hand. ✋🏻

[shut osprey]

~~ damn it's been so long I've forgotten the rest~~

literally only you've actually recognized what it's from lmaooo

[sleek phoenix]

It's so random yet so good

WIENER, TAKE ALL.

[shut osprey]

It's freaking amazing

[sleek phoenix]

[shut osprey]

THREE, TWO, ONE-

[sleek phoenix]

Love it

Wonder what the mods will think

[shut osprey]

It'll be fine, they'll never know

[sleek phoenix]

[shut osprey]

How would they know?

Ignore the reacts, those are usually there

See I knew the amogus would be there

[sleek phoenix]

Idk what's to be so suspicious about

Just two dudes quoting some quality meme-literature

[shut osprey]

Best meme of the century ngl

[cyan hamlet]

I know it's just lyrics or w/e, what's sus is the attitude lol

[shut osprey]

Much better than skibidi toilet I tell ya

[sleek phoenix]

Omg yes

I figured that was so weird

Until I went back and look at all the weird crap I laughed at as a kid

Then everything made sense

[shut osprey]

Mlg compilations were meant to be ironic

But then YTPs

That's fair enough

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah ytp is a classic example

Kids these days would love the skyrim ones

[cyan hamlet]

Machinama was huge in the early days of youtube, when I was in high school. Most of it makes no sense to me these days.

[sleek phoenix]

I still think the ME2/3, skyrim ones were amazing

I mean who can blame them when things like this exist
https://youtu.be/AK26bXWrOvo?si=RGWct9b0xbKnS0QC

Was only a matter of time before ytp came along lmao

[shut osprey]

HEEUUGH HAAA

[sleek phoenix]

The top comment makes it so much better

Omg there's another I've never seen before

https://youtu.be/N6hVmn9FM7o?si=LUMyboCQuyE76Av_

[shut osprey]

Classic

[violet thorn]

[violet thorn]

[ivory pike]

https://www.techspot.com/news/102720-japan-gacha-vending-machine-dispenses-intel-core-i7.html

[violet thorn]

[sleek phoenix]

Seagate now laying claims to rising storage prices due to a.i demand

Supposedly more price increases in the coming year

[cyan hamlet]

Someone has to store the LLMs

The one I was looking at was about 12TB, the most I've seen is 40 but I'm sure there's bigger models

[sharp wing]

But i need cheap sata drive 😦

[ivory pike]

Loongson is trying to claim about their 3B6600 and 3B7000 chips are as fast as 10th gen intel chips

Only claims, as their roadmap predicts it
They do not have chips currently that can do so

[cyan hamlet]

https://youtu.be/8A7cykj0pCg?si=FfhB_C7fYhmyAhHI

[mental epoch]

gm

[quiet ruin]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/7/24151369/lpcamm2-laptop-memory-ram-lenovo-ifixit

[vivid kelp]

The actually cool part, the socket is socketable.

[tepid wasp]

So the socket with a socket gets socketed while having ram socketed into the socket on the socket. Interesting

Or am I confusing my sockets

[cyan hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-starfish-gif-26051009

[vivid kelp]

Honestly if LPCAMM2 pushes CPU sockets to do this it'd be heckin amazing.

[tepid wasp]

Doubt it'll happen. Ram is one thing, you don't get a new laptop because of the ram, you get one because the soldered on stuff is too ood. Don't see any major laptop companies going for it

[vivid kelp]

Wasnt thinking laptop CPUs but desktop CPUs, the socketable socket

[tepid wasp]

...Why though? Most desktop CPUs are already socketable and any sort of greater upgradability would probably also require socketable chipsets too. And then you run the risk of not having access to certain features of the CPU due to lack of support on the motherboard. The whole point of that ram socket system is to make a normally soldered component socketable

[vivid kelp]

Afaik the whole point of the socketable socket on LPCAMM2 is for repair. Same should apply for one of the most fragile and consumer damaged pieces of a desktop mobo. Cuz all those points apply to LPCAMM2's system (but based on CPU and other mobo stuff rather than chipset).

[vivid kelp]

That bottom piece is not a memory PCB, that is a socket

It's effectively a non-soldered socket, which is different that a CPU socket which is soldered to the mobo.

[cyan hamlet]

But if the socket for the socket needs repair do we then need a socket for the socket's socket

[cyan hamlet]

So much for Asus' reputation as the high end brand with excellent service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pMrssIrKcY

[ivory pike]

What they do

Unable to watch video rn

[cyan hamlet]

GN sent their Ally in for warranty repairs to the left thumb stick and SD card reader. Asus tried to send them an invoice for repairs from "customer induced damage" which is just a small ding in the plastic from when they opened it to remove the SSD.
The invoice included things like replacing the screen and nowhere did it say anything about the warranty repairs, but it did say if they didn't pay the invoice it would be sent back to them disassembled.

They've gotten several hundred reports of things like this happening, which is why they documented everything precisely every step.

[ivory pike]

Bruh

[tepid wasp]

ASUS had a reputation for excellent service?

Thats more news worthy to me

[cyan hamlet]

Up until about a decade ago yeah. They've kept the reputation for a while, and that's how they get away with charging more for the same things. Big stories like this kill the reputation directly.

[vivid kelp]

A very, very large number of people think that a big brand means a trustworthy company.

[fresh cypress]

I also don't like how some of these stories are one sided

And a lot of them tell only what we want to hewr

[cyan hamlet]

It's impossible to be entirely unbiased in these types of stories. They do reach out to the company to ask for comments etc before they publish it, and if they find the response lacking or they refuse comment, it gets notated in the report.

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/news/y2vzd3jkg5fir3qw/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3ak7i5RQHv9Mh3rWwgn8cOHyvGqHhAcT4q7wHIm1gbQTfNsl-Dn0BmMFE_aem_AXbSKG4o9WMyVzx_olvUv6ByQfI_bT7RGXcQvnqKJMptlL4sLojvaVzEqtuOVj9GQI-uj2fA334RJHOw_HX92UoS

I think they clarified themselves pretty well here tbh

Bar the absurdity of the magnitude of cost the quotes that get sent over however

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/zardon/we-flew-to-ekwb-in-slovenia-to-ask-ceo-edvard-konig-questions/

[sleek phoenix]

Idk how to feel about this vid but I'll share it

https://youtu.be/I3DwhTc7Z4o?si=XQGEWRszj5f8-0yZ

His points are justified but also, he tore down the Ally for a video, if they saw it'd been opened, there's a good chance the warranty is indeed no longer applicable

Depends on the fine print ig

[cyan hamlet]

It's illegal to void a warranty for that reason. We have the right to open and disassemble our devices, and they have to prove the damage was caused by the very act of opening it to void or show other related damage.

Those "warranty void if removed" stickers are technically illegal.

Plus they used an alias for the repair request so they didn't know it was GN.

[shut osprey]

they're basically a nothingburger they can't legally be enforced

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/memory/ddr6-looks-set-to-double-data-speeds-over-ddr5-with-ddr6-21000-being-the-ultimate-target/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=socialflow

Y'all ready for gear 4 DDR5-8800 CL78

[cyan hamlet]

Hopefully Arrow Lake can hit that reliably. Somehow I doubt it.

If it can that might be the best argument for getting them.

[sleek phoenix]

https://x.com/LinusTech/status/1793428629378208057

Linus Tech Tips (@LinusTech) on X

There were a series of accusations about our company last August from a former employee. Immediately following these accusations, LMG hired Roper Greyell - a large Vancouver-based law firm specializing in labor and employment law, to conduct a third-party investigation. Their

Twitter · May 22, 2024, 11:48 PM

[cyan hamlet]

TL:DR Third party found 95% of what Madison claimed to be false and defamatory, but they don't want to litigate if they don't have to.

[sleek phoenix]

Did they delete the tweet? I can't open it again

Ohp nvm, I can again, that was weird

[cyan hamlet]

There's now legal precedent for distributing game cheats to be illegal.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/25/24164679/bungie-anti-cheating-lawsuit-jury-trial-aimjunkies-copyright-violation-victory

[ivory pike]

Destiny 2 ONCE AGAIN BRINGING THE HEAAAAT

best game ever 2024

[simple barn]

YES

LETS GO

FINALLY

what a cool case to be a part of

That’s insane

More important than the trump hush money case

[cyan hamlet]

The wave continues. Activision won this one and it's a lot more than a slap on the wrist. The cheat company has to turn over EVERYTHING, shut down their site, and stop making cheats.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/29/24166932/activision-call-of-duty-cheat-creator-lawsuit-engineowning

[cyan hamlet]

Translation: Google admits to lying about how Search works, and it's as bad as you thought
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/29/24167407/google-search-algorithm-documents-leak-confirmation

[shut osprey]

https://www.gamesradar.com/hardware/handhelds/one-of-my-favorite-graphics-card-makers-is-releasing-a-gaming-handheld-that-could-take-on-steam-deck-oled/

ZOTAC steam deck

[shut osprey]

Cool, now get sued please

Google straight up lying about everything it said about it's search engine

Ridiculous they even did that

[cyan hamlet]

Continuing to lie at that since the statement they made directly contradicts the documents

[cyan hamlet]

1.5 hour battery life 💀

And it still runs Winbloats

[shut osprey]

Idk what ZOTAC thinks this is gonna do but I can tell you it's probably not much

[sleek phoenix]

Loud fan

[shut osprey]

Uh, 120hz AMOLED screen

New shiny chipset

At that point I'd probably just get a laptop

For sure it's not gonna be cheap

[cyan hamlet]

We'll see once they officially reveal it at computex

[shut osprey]

True true

Maybe I'll change my mind about it then haha

[cyan hamlet]

If it's $500 then it might be interesting

$600, meh, too much comptetition there

I don't really trust a newcomer to this kind of hardware at this point either. Not after the Ally killed SD cards and Asus denied it was happening.

[shut osprey]

Google search moment

I'll stick with the steam deck thanks

[sleek phoenix]

Then proceeded to make a new one with this issue specifically fixed as well

[cyan hamlet]

The weird part was they finally admitted SD card readers were dying from overheating, due to being near hot components like the charging circuit.
So then they make the Ally X with basically the same specs, but a rearranged pcb layout, and you deny the new layout had anything to do with card readers.

[vivid kelp]

Basically an Apple with their macbooks, but anytime you ask they'll deny it.

[spice cedar]

Btw guys since i was able to get into the bios menu in the first boot, that means the mobo recognized the cpu rigt, so no need for a bios flashback?

[cyan hamlet]

Correct. You can update BIOS through the menus instead.

[cyan hamlet]

Starfield modding time? Maybe the modders can finally make it a more complete game.
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/news/14993

[shut osprey]

Only now? I thought they made the game with the intention of mods fixing everything about the game lmao

The hype is way deader than at launch now

I also keep thinking it's NMS on first glance which is terribly unfair to NMS

[cyan hamlet]

Every prior Bethesda game that supports the GECK has taken 1 year or so for the toolkit to launch

[shut osprey]

Okay that's fair enough then

Still sad they intentionally did this

You might as well just pull a Roblox at this point Bethesda

[indigo geode]

Hype will be back when the dlc launches

Also maybe 7800x3d gaming performance with the 9600x under 300

Because cpus weaker and it is not a ideal experience
You dip below 60fps

[sleek phoenix]

💀

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bethesda-is-charging-7-for-a-new-starfield-mission-and-players-are-upset/1100-6524221/

[tepid wasp]

70 to 100 dollar game that was divisive at launch and feels unfinished. I know how to make people happy, make them pay for more quests and more paid mods

You know why the mission pack is 1k credits, it's because the Premium Edition comes with 1k credits, so they want to yoink those out so in the future premium players will have to buy more

[cyan hamlet]

Look on the bright side, it's not $20 per DLC

[sleek phoenix]

Thanks for the reassurance, average EA player

[shut osprey]

kekw

oh okay i didn't think they'd actually make the DLC lol

I figured after they delivered a somewhat working game they'd just move on and let the modders take over

[cyan hamlet]

I hesitate to even call it DLC since it's just one mission

[shut osprey]

wait

it's ONE mission??

[cyan hamlet]

Yes, one bounty hunt mission

[shut osprey]

that's crazy

their own marketing makes it sound much more substantial than it really is

which i guess is really their MO at this point

[cyan hamlet]

You'd think they'd add a new interior location or something at least but by all accounts it's just a mission

[west saffron]

better be a long ass bounty hunt campaign story or it will be review bombed to heck

[sleek phoenix]

You have to remember todd howard imagined himself winning goty at this stage

[shut osprey]

special gun and gear wooo

[sleek phoenix]

Rolling out his red carpet

Award in hand

People lovingly stomaching his grand ambition

Yeah no, not paying the $10 ticket thanks

[shut osprey]

bro actually visibly devastated he did not get goty

[sleek phoenix]

I'll never forget his face at the game awards

[shut osprey]

EXACTLY

[sleek phoenix]

IT WAS SO GOOD

[cyan hamlet]

Knowing Bethesda they would hold their own game awards just so they can say they won GOTY from somewhere

[sleek phoenix]

Baldur's gate deservingly getting nearly EVERY AWARD

[shut osprey]

Baldur's Gate so good tho

actual soul and an actually fully fleshed, finished product??

[sleek phoenix]

I got gifted it for my birthday

[shut osprey]

Bethesda who??

[sleek phoenix]

I kinda want the new doom tho, DnD isn't truly my thing

[shut osprey]

Imma be honest, even Crab Champions was a more fully fleshed game than Starfield at launch

and back then all you had were your guns and nothing else

[sleek phoenix]

Starfield reminded me a lot of CP77 when it came out

[cyan hamlet]

At least crab champions didn't crash every 2 minutes

[shut osprey]

now you got melee variations, challenge modes, perk modifiers

[sleek phoenix]

It seemed ok at first

Then the sentiment fed back really quick

[shut osprey]

true true

[sleek phoenix]

Like the room was kinda neutral

I was holding a bit of hope

[shut osprey]

oh and new enemies and maps

[sleek phoenix]

Then BAM stale gameplay

[shut osprey]

spend the next 10 minutes holding w

to walk from the ship to the outpost and back

because god forbid you make a traversal system/vehicle on planet

[cyan hamlet]

"Stale" doesn't begin to describe the 20 hours of doing the same thing over and over they forced on you

[shut osprey]

that isn't just a quick travel between 3 set points lmao

Not to mention, mostly super dead and boring planets "because it's realistic"

[sleek phoenix]

Literal no man's sky without the bits of no man's sky that made that alone less stale than totally stale

[shut osprey]

True lol

[sleek phoenix]

No man's sky is actually fun now

It's not completely mundane

[cyan hamlet]

NMS has more variety in general. Starfield is just... dead nothingness

[shut osprey]

so much more to do in NMS now yeah

I might actually get it and play it with the homie

[sleek phoenix]

It's good in coop

It's def a pass solo lol

[cyan hamlet]

I played NMS when I had game pass a while back, I've been thinking about buying it fully

[sleek phoenix]

Like playing minecraft with friends except space

[cyan hamlet]

I've got some kickass stuff on my save

[shut osprey]

"The astronauts had nothing to do on their planets either, just doing their experiments bro why can't you understand that?"

meanwhile we've literally only been to the moon

[sleek phoenix]

Oh btw Fal, I might get into modded skyrim

[shut osprey]

meanwhile the game is supposed to be an exploration space fantasy game

[cyan hamlet]

See, another thing Starfailed did was the whole land anywhere thing. Great in theory, it'll generate a whole map the size of Skyrim for every landing zone. I have no issues with that part.
The problem is when there's pure nothingness between 2 POIs and the distance between them is like walking from Whiterun to Solitude.

[sleek phoenix]

Kinda want a game I can just crank to heaven

Maybe even just vanilla tbh

I'm bored of most of the new stuff lol

[cyan hamlet]

They even HAVE rovers in the game, they just didn't animate them

[shut osprey]

agreed, when the "land anywhere" is just several POIs that you can literally only walk between

at least in elite dangerous you could pilot your ship to different spots on the planet

and they added rovers

in an infinitely randomly generated uinverse

oh not to mention, literally nothing happens as you walk between two POIs

no enemies, no surprise encounters with NPCs

[cyan hamlet]

You can land outside the POIs to explore but I don't know why you would since it's the same as landing at a city and walking outside the walls

[shut osprey]

no meteor showers or anything

[cyan hamlet]

Ok I do know why you'd land outside the POIs, it's to smuggle without a shielded compartment

[shut osprey]

that's fair enough

[tepid wasp]

And that is saying something with how shallow ED is

[shut osprey]

the game itself is basically a loop of ship go place now do quest

or go fight aliens or murder other players

[tepid wasp]

Or go kill ai humans at x location over and over again in Domination mode or whatever its called in FPS games

[shut osprey]

true

[cyan hamlet]

I'm not buying Starfailed until there's a total conversion mod that turns it into NMS but with Light Sabers

[shut osprey]

then it'll be starfwars

legally distinct entity

not related in any way to star wars

[tepid wasp]

But what if mod that turned Earth landings into Fallout maps

[cyan hamlet]

There isn't a single Bethesda game that isn't enhanced by adding light sabers

[shut osprey]

true

I was gonna say adding the ai NPC dialogue but

i feel like skyrim might have more npcs which makes it much more hilarious

[cyan hamlet]

Oh do you mean like that one game that uses chatgpt personalities for each character

[shut osprey]

yeah that lmao

and then people could also donate and make lines for the npcs to say

[tepid wasp]

First AAA ai driven game stock'll go up 800%

[shut osprey]

nvidia's trying for that

ai assistant for your game

[cyan hamlet]

Earth already looks far worse than Fallout, which is impressive since they never let you get rid of that ugly green tint. At least there's more to the building remains.

[shut osprey]

mexico filter but fallout

[cyan hamlet]

I would honestly prefer if they could turn Earth into Fallout. Make a game within a game.

[shut osprey]

it just loads up fallout when you land

[tepid wasp]

I mean it is a perfect setting in the lore

Underground Fallout

Metro but with sand

[cyan hamlet]

Exactly, you can have all the vaults and stuff. The only issue is the lack of atmosphere but that's an easy, lore friendly fix to make.

The vault doors are air locks

[shut osprey]

they generate their own air

or something

[cyan hamlet]

Plants do that

[tepid wasp]

Literally just do what they do on Mars

[shut osprey]

yuh huh

[tepid wasp]

But under da Earf

[shut osprey]

mole people

[cyan hamlet]

Terrormorphs were a vault tec experiment

[tepid wasp]

Silly Vault Tec with their Super Soldier experiments

[cyan hamlet]

I wouldn't put it past them at all tbh they were already experimenting with mutations

Hybridizing creatures

[tepid wasp]

But what if after things stabilized after the death of Earth, the vaults dig tunnels to connect the vaults and they put trains in them but sometimes rogue groups take over the spaces in between and stuff

[cyan hamlet]

See, we're already making a better game than starfield after 10 minutes

[cyan hamlet]

PSA: UPDATE WINDOWS IMMEDIATELY
There is a new critical security vulnerability that allows an attacker to exploit a flaw in your WiFi to inject code.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/06/14/new-wi-fi-takeover-attack-all-windows-users-warned-to-update-now/

[manic hare]

i like this guys take on it

[cyan hamlet]

Sounds awfully familiar and that's all that will be said on that.

[raven oyster]

Well that’s terrifying

[cyan hamlet]

The really terrifying part is this is a fundamental flaw in the WiFi libraries, so it's always existed and we're just now finding out

It affects all version of Windows

[raven oyster]

Oh great

[ivory pike]

AMD announcing a solution to texture sizing compression on July 2nd

[cyan hamlet]

The way you worded that makes it sound like compression is the problem

[ivory pike]

I worded it terribly

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/99029/amd-is-introducing-new-ai-texture-compression-for-gaming-to-reduce-download-and-install-sizes/index.html

@cyan hamlet

[cyan hamlet]

ofc it's "AI powered"

They call everything AI these days even though it's a standard algorithm

[ivory pike]

Gotta get clicks

[vivid kelp]

I cant wait until we see AI AI marketing

[shut osprey]

Real

[cyan hamlet]

They've had that for years, but they called it an algorithm before and they renamed it "AI". If you've ever searched for a product and gotten a page that doesn't tell you anything past the specs, but manages to stretch it out for multiple pages so they can push more ads on you, then you know what I'm talking about. It was generated just for you so you'd click it and indirectly give them money.

[west saffron]

apple intelligence

[raven oyster]

natural stupidity

[shut osprey]

You guys are saying the same thing-

[sleek phoenix]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4090-26gbps-gddr6x-memory-mod-yields-13-higher-performance

No one
Absolutely no one
Galax Lab: 39 PERCENT FASTER 4090 TI

[ivory pike]

They’re just cracked

Galax is nice to see

[cyan hamlet]

Galax is the one overclocking friendly brand now that EVGA is gone, and kingpin has yet to find a new permanent home

[cyan hamlet]

Yeah but he hasn't moved in and started making things yet

It was still tentative during that interview as a "this will probably happen" thing

Here's hoping there's a PNY K|ngp|n 5090 coming at least, since we can't buy Galax here in the States without importing.

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.pcmag.com/news/ftc-to-pc-vendors-removing-a-product-sticker-doesnt-void-the-warranty

Right to repair

Right to repair

[shut osprey]

stickers mean frick all

if it did, removing the plastic wrap on the glass panel should also count as voiding your warranty

but oh wait, it doesn't!

[vivid kelp]

Eh, give it a year or two

[shut osprey]

I swear

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/99142/windows-11-government-edition-has-zero-bloatware-no-system-requirements/index.html

Food for thought y'all

[vivid kelp]

Some companies only host their applications on MS Store tho, so eh.

[shut osprey]

yuck, microsoft store

[cyan hamlet]

Getting in ahead of the government getting more paranoid, restricting certain devices and operating systems

[shut osprey]

Wonder how stable it is and if you can still do Xbox stuff

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHxQC95syc0

[ivory pike]

What company is safe

[sleek phoenix]

The police

[proper anvil]

In zotac we (DON'T) trust

[cyan hamlet]

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/personal-info-of-sdpd-employees-accessed-after-vulnerability-on-dept-website/3414471/

[shut osprey]

Oh, you looked up this location on Google maps close to a crime scene in the last month? You're a suspect now

[sleek phoenix]

They'll protect me, I anonymously donate

[vale wraith]

Zotac cards were always meh anyways

[shut osprey]

!quote

Just kidding

[sleek phoenix]

@cyan hamlet
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/amd-is-reportedly-set-to-use-glass-substrates-for-cpus-between-2025-and-2026

Remember when I went on a rant about how optical fibre could change the way computers work

Didn't take long did it

I am gonna hold off upgrading for a while if this proves true

Cos if it does it's gonna be a big leap for tech

Optical can do so much more data than copper

[vivid kelp]

https://www.techpowerup.com/306149/dnp-develops-tgv-glass-core-substrate-for-semiconductor-packages

Ahhh, no embed

Remember that substrate change wont mean bye bye copper

[sleek phoenix]

Ye but it's not gonna be an overnight change

See more and more of it soon hopefully. Glass can do much higher data rates

[tepid wasp]

What is the substrate currently? Copper isn't an organic material and silicones aren't either so I am confused

[cyan hamlet]

It's silicon, not silicone.
It's produced by processing silica based sand, which we're actually starting to run out of so this change is good on multiple levels.
Silicone on the other hand is a rubbery material often used for things like breast implants.
As far as the substrate being "organic," that was never a requirement. We do have them but only in prototypes.

[tepid wasp]

Actually, I am pepeg and just forgor that the plural of silicion is silicon and put es at the end

Or is it silicons

Whatever, I was just confused by that article constantly saying organic substrates

[cyan hamlet]

Silicium was a proposed name when it was discovered and thought to be a metal.
There's no plural form for silicon, it's just silicon.

Words are weird. English in particular. Even when there's rules the list of exceptions to the rules are insane.

[sleek phoenix]

https://wccftech.com/intel-denies-rma-requests-14th-13th-gen-desktop-cpus-instability-issues-system-providers-switch-amd-ryzen/

[cyan hamlet]

"Not my problem"
-Intel

[proper anvil]

into the comments i go lol

[untold oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeE_gLl3j94

MSI saw Zotacs muck up and decided to one up it

[vivid kelp]

MSI/Zotac speedrunning facebook's data breach count

[vale wraith]

600k claims is crazy

[untold oak]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/warframe-devs-report-80-percent-of-game-crashes-happen-on-intel-overclockable-core-i9-chips
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/game-publisher-claims-100-crash-rate-with-intel-cpus-alderon-games-says-company-sells-defective-13th-and-14th-gen-chips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE4NWoyMZk

Intel having some serious issues with the 13/14th gen high end cpus

[proper anvil]

glad im using an i5 chip

never had a problem with it

[untold oak]

ya it seems to be i7/i9 issue and it seems to be a architectural issue with the silicon that causes them to rapidly decay in stability

[proper anvil]

scary

[untold oak]

im glad me and my brother are running amd

[proper anvil]

that's good, honestly the company should be fined for this if they haven't

because this is bad

[untold oak]

they need to do a recall from what i can see

[proper anvil]

like if AMD got fined from their terrible FX lineup then so can intel

[untold oak]

cause everyone from gamers to servers are having issues with those cpus

[proper anvil]

☠️

[cyan hamlet]

https://wccftech.com/arm-asr-super-resolution-upscaler-based-on-amd-fsr-2-impressive-performance/amp/

[shut osprey]

nah just a slap on the wrists from the ftc telling them not to do it again and they'll let it go

watch

[spice cedar]

Who’s arm?

[tepid wasp]

British semiconductor company, they design cpus and gpus and licenses them out for other companies to put on their SoCs. They are a major player in the mobile market and do server stuff

For example, the Switch uses an ARM cpu

[cyan hamlet]

Almost every Android phone uses an arm processor

[shut osprey]

True

Snapdragon supremacy-

[sleek phoenix]

https://videocardz.com/newz/poll-shows-84-of-pc-users-unwilling-to-pay-extra-for-ai-enhanced-hardware

[shut osprey]

Huh, who could have guessed??????

this is such a baffling piece of news who could possibly not want to pay a lot more for stupid ai features no one's going to use??

[sharp wing]

It’s the only thing they can make somewhat meaningful improvements in terms of performance so might as well force everyone to buy into it right?

[shut osprey]

Think of the shareholders, what will they say if you can't make any meaningful improvements on your products?

[cyan hamlet]

I think they wouldn't care as long as they continue to sell and have good profit margins

[shut osprey]

But no new improvements what the hell am I investing stocks in this company for?????

I expected INNOVATION

I literally do not have any idea what innovation is or what it means but I want the company to tell me they're innovating

[cyan hamlet]

That's why Intel always says they're innovating when all they're doing is bumping the boost clocks

[sleek phoenix]

PSA
https://www.techradar.com/news/live/windows-outage-july-2024-live

[cyan hamlet]

Oh well that might explain why the airport was so busy at 11 PM on a Thursday

Looks like a bad Windows update at some core security firm caused all of their clients to bluescreen. There are so many things I could say about this but I'll just say, you ran Windows on your infrastructure, you brought it on yourself.

There's a reason almost every server runs Linux

[shut osprey]

Honestly if you're running your critical infrastructure on windows server you're insane

I know enough to know windows is an unstable os already, same likely applies to windows server as well

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/cause-and-reasons-revealed-hotspot-problems-on-many-newer-graphics-cards-due-to-inferior-thermal-paste/4/

[cyan hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[untold oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw

[sleek phoenix]

Interesting, the T chips are known to intel as well as the locked chips as well, to degrade

But not confirmed for laptop HX chips despite also being the same silicon

[sleek phoenix]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-cuda-directly-run-on-amd-gpus-using-scale-toolkit/

[proper anvil]

Yesssss

[sleek phoenix]

https://wccftech.com/intel-14th-gen-desktop-cpus-no-e-cores-core-i9-14901ke-flagship-8-p-cores-5-8-ghz/

Tmw KE and yet no E core

https://tenor.com/view/ea-sports-e-ea-meme-gif-14922519

[manic horizon]

What's the point with those though

[blazing crypt]

Interesting: "According to Intel, these chips are aimed at the Embedded and Commercial market so we don't expect them to be offered in the DIY channels though some distributors and retailers may offer systems configured with such chips."

[spice cedar]

So cuda to my understanding is for productivity right? Does this mean anything for gaming tho?

[blazing crypt]

CUDA cores are what processes the graphics and physics in the games on the nVidia GPU's. Think of those like the engine.

[cyan hamlet]

There's some older games that rely on cuda for things like hair physics but most modern stuff is designed to work on AMD since that's what consoles use

[vivid kelp]

There are two "CUDA" things that Nvidia has. There is a CUDA Core, which in laymans terms are kinda sorta like CPU cores but for graphics. Then there is the CUDA Programming Language, which is just a kind of programming language that has optimizations for Nvidia GPUs but also only works on Nvidia GPUs (So if a program uses the CUDA programming language to do GPU based work, and does not have any fallback language [some inefficient thing to use if the main thing does not work], then it cannot work on GPUs that dont support CUDA [Intel/AMD]). Vintage is talking about CUDA Cores and Fal is talking about the CUDA programming language. The article is also talking about the CUDA programming language. Some professional programs use the CUDA programming language, or are only fast when using the CUDA programming language, which basically locks users of those programs to Nvidia GPUs. However with SCALE (the article) or ZLUDA (another thing, mentioned in article) AMD GPUs can run the CUDA programming language with efficiency loses that arent horrendous (usually).

[sleek phoenix]

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113

[blazing crypt]

I dun believe their statement. Or rather, I don't believe that's the full story

[manic horizon]

So they're basically saying "You shouldn't have OC'd them, screw you"?

Oh boy, if true, that's not good optics...

[sleek phoenix]

This was something they'd suggested some time ago after an internal investigation leak

I don't believe it's the full story either, rather to fan the flames down to keep reviewers happy (Like GN & level1tech being a big couple)

I am unconvinced until I see it genuinely fixed

[sleek phoenix]

No, they're blaming microcode errors for improper voltage v/f overfeed

i.e our programmers were dummies and put too much mitigation in the v/f causing degradation

[manic horizon]

Are they at all addressing the possibility of fab problems?

[sleek phoenix]

No

[manic horizon]

So they entirely avoided talking about that

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sleek phoenix]

It's not known in an official context if fab issues were a real issue* yet

There's one FA lab claiming it was

And only on cursory context

[manic horizon]

Which would make the statement at least partially bogus IF TRUE

[sleek phoenix]

But no one can prove if it is

It's a theory, nothing more

[manic horizon]

I have my doubts that it really was microcode

I mean

It could be for at least some

[sleek phoenix]

It's not an unbelievable suggestion that it was

But I hold my tongue that it's the entire issue

As they said the same thing 2 months ago

[manic horizon]

Yeah, it's just a really

Seemingly sus communication from Intel to me

[sleek phoenix]

I'll believe it when I see actual factual reduction in complaints

[manic horizon]

To give the benefit of doubt however

I do think it's at least a factor (possibly the cause for part of the failure wave)

[sleek phoenix]

Tell you what I'll humour this thought

Rommy recently introduced me to a phrase called

[manic horizon]

But I do also believe that some chips have mfg defects causing similar events without v/f being involved

[sleek phoenix]

"The black swan theory"

Which implies that at the time, no one thought anything was wrong

Or rather, to our best knowledge, we believe all is right

Until the point of an uncertainty not yet factored for

[manic horizon]

The "It's a GPU/memory issue, ugh" phase

[sleek phoenix]

No the nothing is wrong phase

[manic horizon]

oh

I mean the initial reports of instability that many people thought was something not CPU-caused

[sleek phoenix]

Until the situation occurs that cpus become unstable, leading to a phase of the uncertainty revealing itself

[manic horizon]

ah

That is fair

Either way, I will openly admit to being biased against Intel in this to a degree

I don't say they are outright BSing

But I do think they withhold parts of the truth to look better about it

[sleek phoenix]

So not to play the "Big company did no wrong" card, but there may even be the possibility that they manufactured everything under the pretense it would work

If only 13th gen

At the point of 13th gen degradation was becoming more known

14th gen I don't believe an excuse for this

But who's to say

[manic horizon]

TBF

[sleek phoenix]

We can wait and see for now

[manic horizon]

14th gen is just binned 13th practically

[sleek phoenix]

More that they don't want to issue a mass recall for millions of chips

It will absolutely wreck them

But so is dodging the truth?

Welcome to business politics

™️

[manic horizon]

It's kinda the Bulldozer moment for Intel mefeels

[sleek phoenix]

Kinda not really

It's more like

Zen 2 imo

[proper anvil]

bulldozer was just slow, but its stable

[manic horizon]

I doubt it'd bankrupt them tbf

But Intel needs their own "Ryzen moment"

[sleek phoenix]

Zen 2 it became apparent that static oc was bad

[proper anvil]

however intel just degrades

[sleek phoenix]

And degrades fast

[manic horizon]

Which is honestly surprising

[sleek phoenix]

Same issue applies here but intel is under more stress

[manic horizon]

I mean you'd expect overvoltage to degrade over like
A year or two at worst

[sleek phoenix]

AMD found the same issue with tsmc ages ago

[sleek phoenix]

It's 14th gen tho

6ghz was barely conceivable on 10nm

[manic horizon]

But in some servers the degradation time can be as low as a couple months (according to Buildzoid)

[sleek phoenix]

Then a year later 6.2??

Pull the other leg

[sleek phoenix]

Couple hours

[manic horizon]

(WTH does that mean?)

[manic horizon]

Holy

[sleek phoenix]

If you know what triggers it, couple hours

[manic horizon]

That is

[sleek phoenix]

Talking 💩

[manic horizon]

Wow, that's screwed up

[manic horizon]

Ah gotcha

But yeah, it's just

It's not gonna end well for Intel either way, but there's a low chance of it bringing Intel down entirely

[sleek phoenix]

I see it as just them stalling until the new ryzen reviews are done

They couldn't say nothing

[manic horizon]

Yeah that is fair enough

[sleek phoenix]

It would've had them completely ignored for a whole generation, fatal move

[manic horizon]

Especially with how good Zen 5 seems to be

[sleek phoenix]

Meh

Good for multicore

Opinion pending for ST perf

[manic horizon]

I mean yes no X3D parts yet (Classic move)

[sleek phoenix]

Well games aside

I am curious about the ST

[manic horizon]

but for those who need outright IPC and frequency, they should be pretty solid especially being drop-in upgrades

[untold oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs

[manic horizon]

Oh boy

I feel like I'm allowed to say "I called it"

[vivid kelp]

This is so bad it almost feels fake. Lol.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/07/24/crowdstrike-offers-a-10-apology-gift-card-to-say-sorry-for-outage/

[sharp wing]

"sorry for causing possibly hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in damages, here's 10 dollars for your trouble"

[cyan hamlet]

^ "but you can't actually use the $10"

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXRxWm9y3QQ

[shut osprey]

Well, at least it wasn't released, found out to be inherently faulty causing mass degradation

[sleek phoenix]

HINT HINT

NUDGE NUDGE

[cyan hamlet]

They're already launching so far ahead of Intel this year they can afford a 2 week delay

It sounds like some of the early samples, like the ones they use for reviews, weren't hitting frequency targets, which would have resulted in unfavorable reviews.

[untold oak]

they also pulled them from stores and OEMs so it seems like it was a first batch issue

better they push back the launch date tho than sell ppl defective crap cough cough intel cough

[shut osprey]

real

[sleek phoenix]

https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/07/secure-boot-is-completely-compromised-on-200-models-from-5-big-device-makers/

[compact egret]

I wonder if it's a good time to invest into AMD stock

With how the disaster going on at intel

[manic horizon]

Just when we thought it can't get any worse...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFE4q35buKs

[compact egret]

Intel's looking like they have a bulldozer level disaster

[sleek phoenix]

There's no confirmation over ring bus at this stage

I wouldn't trust his take as fact at all

There's a known voltage issue, but not ring bus at this point

Ring bus is just a leading theory

12v rail also can track with a couple people I've seen so far but it's still not a confirmed trend

[manic horizon]

The fact that there is potentially multiple independent failures at play is

Honestly depressing

[sleek phoenix]

You say that like every 2nd or concurrent intel generation hasn't had some sort of major issue

AMD as well

You have FX, Ryzen 3K static OC, 5K AGESA dropout, 7000 literally exploding

Intel with 9th gen

and mobo problems

8th gen as well?

10th gen ring and perpetual design failure

11th gen paper launch and failed node jump

12th gen and DRM

Like

Yeah it's bad but I'm just so unfazed at this point

[tepid wasp]

FX didn't have a major issue that caused problems, FX was just bad after a series of bleh releases. The cpus weren't flawed, they were just bad cpus

[sleek phoenix]

I think trying to claim that it had more cores that what it was actually containing was a major issue enough

Like buying a carton of eggs and half the box is filled with chocolate eggs instead of the real deal

[cyan hamlet]

They do that at Easter and it pisses me off because I did buy it on accident

[sleek phoenix]

And it's annoying right? Though in AMD's case it was false advertising

[tepid wasp]

They do what? Who does half real eggs and half chocolate

I'm intrigued

[sleek phoenix]

Lol me too tbh

I've never seen that before

I just made it up 😂

[cyan hamlet]

Some small brand that didn't live long

[sleek phoenix]

Let's call them "FX" then

[cyan hamlet]

FX was the opposite though, it lived too long

[tepid wasp]

Makes sense they didn't live long, they did wacky stuff like putting raw eggs with food designed to be eaten as is

[sleek phoenix]

LGA 1700 too tbh

[cyan hamlet]

The chocolate was wrapped individually at least so cross contamination wasn't an issue

[vivid kelp]

Could be concerning, but note that MLID is a terrible, terrible, source.

[manic horizon]

Allegedly ALL 13th and 14th gen processor with a TDP of 65 watts or higher COULD be affected, including the non-overclockable ones and laptop chips (article on a Hungarian page, cites The Verge as source) https://ipon.hu/magazin/cikk/sokkal-tobb-intel-processzort-erinthet-az-instabilitassal-kapcsolatos-hiba-a-gyarto-megsem-gondolkod

Article they cite: https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/24206529/intel-13th-14th-gen-crashing-instability-cpu-voltage-q-a

[untold oak]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-cpu-instability-crashing-bug-includes-65w-and-higher-skus-intel-says-damage-is-irreversible-no-planned-recall

[shut osprey]

No recall is mad sus

And really, it was just a microcode issue?

[blazing crypt]

Yeah, not just a microcode issue. Also, the Verge should be prohibited from writing tech articles

[sleek phoenix]

Nothing is written in stone

It never. EVER. is.

A company will fold over backwards within the hour if those words alone were enough to drop the stock price 3 points

Words are weapons. Politicians love them

💀

If the public demands a formal recall and the backlash is enough, Intel would be forced into it

[blazing crypt]

I'm almost wondering if they aren't holding out for a 15th Gen "credit" for anyone that has a bad CPU.

So they can somehow cheap out on replacing them

[sleek phoenix]

Like offset the losses into new mobos?

That's a devious trick

[blazing crypt]

Is 15th gen a new socket?

[shut osprey]

Cheaping out is definitely why they aren't doing an official recall

[sleek phoenix]

New socket yeah

[blazing crypt]

Ahhhh

[sleek phoenix]

Rma is more consumer friendly there lol

[blazing crypt]

Since when are manu's consumer friendly

[sleek phoenix]

They're losing a lot of money rn so I reckon we at least won't see anything formal until the specific batches are targeted

[blazing crypt]

Yeah, I'd imagine they're still seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes

[sleek phoenix]

Iirc intel had an 8 billion operations loss last quarter

Not even this quarter

They will take the rma chips, fuse them off and downbin any they can to recover loss

It's going to take a while

[shut osprey]

Honestly that's probably a smart move on their part at least

Fuse off the damage

[sleek phoenix]

This will be part strategic for sure

Dragging this out while they both "Formalise" a solution while also making people wait/cause induced hesitation in people wanting to RMA

The longer they can drag out a loss the longer their accountants can make that loss disappear

And I mean that in the most non-aggressive way, as they would

Their reputation is riding on this

Lol

But downbinning rma chips is not a surprise nor is it new

It'll just be more common

Classic examples

[shut osprey]

True

[sleek phoenix]

2 ccd ryzen 6/8 cores (1 fused off)

2060 KO

4070 TiS?

[shut osprey]

It is how it works on the normal manufacturing side

But yeah absolutely they're trying minimize RMA volume for now

[sleek phoenix]

Whether intentionally or not

The pressure is absolutely on now tho

It was dead silent for months

Now we're getting weekly updates again after level1techs vid

[shut osprey]

Lmao

[sleek phoenix]

It's how businessmen work

Follow the money

[shut osprey]

True

Classic business practice

Ain't a problem if no one talks about it

[sleek phoenix]

But it's a problem that needs a minimum face value fix when it's all over the news

And data centers now talking to each other

Enterprise at huge risk of loss

The real moneybag clients are now talking to each other about the problems

[shut osprey]

Even bigger risk of just swapping to amd too

[sleek phoenix]

Nah less risk at this point

[shut osprey]

That's the last thing they want rn

[sleek phoenix]

Exactly

It's bad for them, they lose trust

[shut osprey]

So yeah, def need a cover fix while they desparately look for the issue

[sleek phoenix]

At the rate this is going, we will likely see this all probably play out within the month

Momentum has been gaining significantly within the week

It's gone from like, something a lot talk about, to anyone in the enthusiast space is talking about it

See it daily now

[shut osprey]

Good tbh they shouldn't be able to cover something like this up

[gentle tusk]

Hello

Samsung 980 pro ssd extreme degrading again

[cyan hamlet]

If you've updated your firmware then there's not much else you can do about that

[gentle tusk]

Why

[shut osprey]

You could just stop using the ssd

So then it doesnt keep degrading

But there's pretty much nothing else you can do

[cyan hamlet]

Those drives have known problems caused by multiple bad firmware versions, and they don't let you downgrade if the new one has problems.

[untold oak]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-investigated-for-class-action-for-cpu-crashing-and-instability-issues

[sleek phoenix]

Speaking of sharks

[cyan hamlet]

Considering the number of businesses that have real losses from having to constantly replace the CPUs I'm not surprised a class action has started already.

Whole games that have died because people thought the servers were badly programmed, when in fact it was because they ran on 13900Ks.

[shut osprey]

Its okay, have a 10 dollar gift card for the Google Play store as compensation

[sleek phoenix]

https://traxion.gg/fanatec-owner-endor-ag-is-insolvent/

Corsair just dumped the whole thing

Jfc

[manic horizon]

Wait so they backed out?

https://traxion.gg/seat-manufacturer-recaro-has-entered-administration/

Damn

Bad day to be a sim racing enthusiast

[sleek phoenix]

Good lord

I grew up looking at those

[untold oak]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-announces-an-extra-two-years-of-warranty-for-its-chips-amid-crashing-and-instability-issues-longer-warranty-applies-to-13th-and-14th-gen-core-processors

[shut osprey]

Yep

Anything but a recall, PLEASE

[sleek phoenix]

The chaos is starting

Their share price is absolutely crashing

They're starting to panic now

[shut osprey]

Mayhaps a recall could have prevented this?

Impossible, what a silly idea

[sleek phoenix]

I am willing to bet

That they are setting it up rn and preparing to file for one immediately

THAT

Or

They're going through to reassess all warranty claims and making sure all go through now

[shut osprey]

Probably the latter

[sleek phoenix]

Intel is about to really hurt

[shut osprey]

Which the fact that some were even denied

[sleek phoenix]

Yes

[shut osprey]

So stupid

[sleek phoenix]

And this matters, they can make right on those people

They won't get a second chance after this

[shut osprey]

They kinda gotta yeah

[sleek phoenix]

Patience has officially run out

[shut osprey]

Sue Intel

[sleek phoenix]

And here's where things get a bit shady too, some might even start abusing the warranty spindle, but they have no choice

They can't afford to let this turn litigious

I reckon this weekend is gonna be the big moment for them

It's ramping up really quickly now

[shut osprey]

Mmhm

They gotta take those losses

[cyan hamlet]

Several large businesses, some of Intel's largest customers at that, are starting to realize that this might be their best option for recovering the damages that Intel has caused from downtime and extra maintenance on their servers.

[shut osprey]

They would be so right

[cyan hamlet]

If you like playing the games that you've paid for, and you live in the EU, it's probably a good idea to sign this petition. If they get 1 million signatures the EU will put it up to a vote, which would possibly result in game devs being forced to make their games playable even after they kill the online services.
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

[untold oak]

big losses 📉

[tepid wasp]

The lowest the stock has been in 10 years

Stock was around the same price in August of 1998

[sleek phoenix]

I really hope they do something today

This is going to destroy them at this rate

[untold oak]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-customer-bemoans-cpu-rma-process

dont worry they are doing everything they can to make the situation worse and to make that 2 extra years of warranty worthless

When Intel asked for photographs and documentation, the company responded to jerubedo saying that one of the chips (Serial Number 02096 from Micro Center) was re-marked. At the same time, the other was a tray processor (Serial number 03252 from Amazon) and was not covered by a retail warranty.

Intel’s alleged response to the Reddit user’s insistence on the return was: “We do not disclose our investigation practices. If you believe your products are valid and wish to proceed with a return merchandise authorization (RMA), we can create one. However,** if the products fail the validation process, the units will be retained and confiscated, and no replacements or refunds will be provided.”**

[tepid wasp]

Company admits they will commit theft

[untold oak]

im sure thats gonna be soo great for their stock and future sales

[cyan hamlet]

Fuel for the incoming lawsuits that are the cause of the stock drop

[untold oak]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2024/08/02/puget-systems-perspective-on-intel-cpu-instability-issues/

[cyan hamlet]

A relatively small sample in the grand scheme of things, but having the data plotted is nice.

[shut osprey]

Invest 700k right now

[blazing crypt]

INteresting that 11th gen is almost the same failure rate as currently but no one said a peep back then

[shut osprey]

It actually is

That is weird

[sleek phoenix]

LMFAO

ROFLMAO

Sorry, the same 11th gen

That doesn't care if you yeet 1.6v through it

OC'ers got scammed

No one is safe

[sleek phoenix]

Damn

I'm also somewhat inclined to believe this data too

[blazing crypt]

Puget Systems is pretty darn reputable

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah honestly they have as much or more respect from me than GN

And speak of the devil

He just posted a vid

[blazing crypt]

Time for some popcorn

[blazing crypt]

Oof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQlvefGxk

Quote form GN in the comments. Someone asked if Intel was burning CPU's to keep up with AMD. GN = "Actually, kind of yes -- it does appear that way right now. They are blasting power to show advancement generationally."4

[manic horizon]

Is it getting even worse somehow?

Now Intel will literally steal RMA chips to cover up?

[cyan hamlet]

The part where it's worse is the lack of any real responses so far, and the responses they give are edited later or don't actually say anything.
Yes they effectively threatened to steal the CPU if it was sent in for warranty support. They declined the RMA initially saying they thought it was counterfeit (lol what) and if they received it and determined it was counterfeit it would not be returned or replaced.

[vivid kelp]

Counterfeit 14900: Yahaha! You found me! Im actually an AMD 5900XT

[tepid wasp]

You fool, you have fallen for my trap card, t'was always me, the 13900!

[spice cedar]

Has there ever been a case where advancing the performance of computer hardware was so tough from the last gen that companies had to skip a generation?

[cyan hamlet]

Besides 13th to 14th gen, skipping MTL on desktop? Yes, a few times. RPL-S is far from the first refreshed architecture. 9th gen was a refresh of Coffee Lake, for example. The kind of thing you do when you're unable to push out the architectural overhaul you're working on in time.

[sleek phoenix]

And comet was a fresh of coffee

Still solid cpus honestly

[tepid wasp]

You could say it was a cup of fresh coffee

[sleek phoenix]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-first-to-release-z790-bios-with-microcode-update-for-raptor-lake-instability-issue

[shut osprey]

Let's see how this goes

[tardy frost]

Yea so you think it will work?

[shut osprey]

I'll believe it when I see it

Intel's been pretty bad thus far about the entire thing

[tardy frost]

What’s wrong with the cpus again? All I know is that they are hot

[shut osprey]

They're dying basically

Due to manufacturing defects in the chips themselves in addition to the microcode applying too much voltage to the chips

They gradually become less and less stable due to the chip either being fried by the mobo or by oxidation in the chip

[tardy frost]

Oh so buying them now would be just throwing money away then since it will just kill its self

[shut osprey]

Absolutely

Until they actually address and fix the issues there's no way we'll be reccommending them

[tardy frost]

How come they don’t fix it themselves?

[shut osprey]

They are, but mostly only in spirit

They extended the warranty of their chops to 5 years and offers a replacement

But they just deny some of the claims for no reason

[tardy frost]

That’s dumb though why not just try and make it better

[shut osprey]

Think of the profits

They're gonna lose money if they replace the cpus that degrade or die (there's a lot of them)

So they did everything they could to keep it down and not let anyone know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQlvefGxk

Here's a 30 ish minute overview of the whole thing

[tardy frost]

Ok I’ll watch it

[shut osprey]

Its 47 minutes my bad lol

[cyan hamlet]

TL:DW there's very little difference in performance, mostly margin of error
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bEv74JrHQo

But it does as advertised and reduces the voltage spikes... Slightly.

[sleek phoenix]

^Take with a grain of salt. It doesn't focus on answering* the question of "Is it fixed now?"

The initial outlook however, for a bios update, this is really interesting

A performance jump like that is not common on a bios change

The consensus I've been able to read is most people experience no measurable loss while being cooler and less voltage happy

But this is pending verification from real testing and proper evaluation

[cyan hamlet]

Indeed. These are very early results, and far too early to call it "fixed".

[sleek phoenix]

What worries me is if the numbers are genuine at this stage

Or a slippery trick

Cos you can see this from two angles

"Hey we got all this free performance for less power, this is amazing!"

And

"Turns out they scrubbed the voltage readings from true measurement. It made things worse."

Pulling a genuine hat trick this late feels....suspect

There's a going to be a loss somewhere

Perhaps in their binning QA and QS

[cyan hamlet]

Reducing voltage spikes from 1.58v to 1.52v (from testing in Jay's video) doesn't seem like a significant enough reduction to me. Maybe you'll get a few more months out of it, maybe more. Who knows.

[shut osprey]

Great, problem solved!! Buy Intel stock NOW

(I love Intel more than my grandma)

[sleek phoenix]

Not the entire picture either

Boosting behaviour has taken some massive changes as well

Including this:

Which can accelerate a different level of wear vs sustained

I need to see more people testing this before I can draw any bigger conclusions

[manic horizon]

Meanwhile in Intel fanboy land: "There was never a 13/14th gen issue, but even if it existed it was overblown by AMD shill media and caused by AMD fanboys, and THIS microcode definitely removed every trace of it ever existing!"

[vivid kelp]

UserBenchmark

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21518/intel-publishes-first-microcode-update-for-raptor-lake-stability

Update is genuinely showing promise, this statement affirms what we're seeing so far is a genuine change and discretion made by intel to cap peak operating voltages, hence the minor/nill losses in performance across the board

[sleek phoenix]

AMD has now stated the gains to Zen 5 are accurate.
The phrase "Zen 5%" is now officially representative.
Lol.

[shut osprey]

Actually nice

But they definitely had to have this work or else they'd be done

[sleek phoenix]

Final result pending wear testing

[sleek phoenix]

3rd lawsuit just cropped up for intel

A.i copyright infringement

This is not gonna end well...

[shut osprey]

Oh boy

Here we go again

[vivid kelp]

Think AMD just going to do a "fine wine" update once Intel is a bit more competitive or smth?

[simple barn]

Gamecrate news

[tepid wasp]

Gamecrate news

[proper anvil]

ok

1. https://wccftech.com/millions-systems-amd-ryzen-epyc-cpus-affected-sinkclose-vulnerability-mitigations-rolled-out/

2. https://www.pcgamesn.com/grand-theft-auto-vi/game-pass-day-one-release-unlikely

3. https://www.techspot.com/news/104175-western-digital-announces-world-first-8tb-sd-card.html

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Intel-14th-gen-stability-BIOS-update-obliterates-multicore-performance-with-23-loss-in-some-benchmarks.873898.0.html

@tropic inlet we might hold off a bit on updating maybe LOL

[tropic inlet]

WHAT

😭

Welp thank god school ended 2 months ago

I invested so much money into a stock market game with intel

[tropic inlet]

This is just 0x129’s unreleased microcode though

Just be aware of that

Otherwise I still wouldn’t update to the 0x125 for myself

[sleek phoenix]

It's asus' beta 129 code, I know

125 won't do anything

[tropic inlet]

😭

I would of been COOKED last night

If we truly tried to find it

Though if bios causes this, would it mean updating bios to an older version would revert this issue?

Or is it some sort of “scar” to the CPU?

[sleek phoenix]

It's just asus being asus

[cyan hamlet]

Microcode is separate from the BIOS

[sleek phoenix]

Other brands unaffected

Asus will fix this, so I'm having to wait longer

[cyan hamlet]

Microsoft: "Here's the new game pass tiers, you need to pay extra for day one launches" (announced days after GTA 6)
Take Two: "Yeah we won't be doing that"
Microsoft: 😠

[sleek phoenix]

They can't control take two anyway

Dream on 💀💀

Like how they keep trying to buy steam

[vivid kelp]

Thank you john gamecrate

[proper anvil]

👍

[sleek phoenix]

Gatha jou yohn crankmete

[proper anvil]

crank

[sleek phoenix]

Crank meet

[sleek phoenix]

Zen 5 might still have some performance on the table

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9700x-performance-smt-disabled/15.html

Don't use TPU for reviews btw guys

But SMT off seems to bring more gains

Which is not normal

[sleek phoenix]

Apparently windows has a real scheduling issue with 9000

https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9600x-9700x/15

Take with a grain of salt

[cyan hamlet]

I saw that noted by at least one other reviewer, where Linux tasks performed much better than Windows.
Valve might also be prepping to release the desktop Steam OS. Time to recommend Linux for more people?

[shut osprey]

Holy god like fr??

[cyan hamlet]

Which part? Linux performance or steam os?

[shut osprey]

Steam os

[cyan hamlet]

The recent update patch notes mentioned "improved performance on PC" so probably sometime soon

It also mentions adding support for the ROG Ally keys

[shut osprey]

Lmaoo

Steamdeck everywhere

Now I just need it to support Microsoft office...

[sharp wing]

When i need it to come out first

[west saffron]

I mean technically you can already install steamos but an official install would be awesome

[cyan hamlet]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-wont-patch-all-chips-affected-by-severe-data-theft-vulnerability-ryzen-1000-2000-and-3000-will-not-get-patched-among-others

[proper anvil]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ai-will-transform-graphical-computation-on-consumer-gpus-pixels-neural-models/

[shut osprey]

Not exactly a good look after intel lmao

[sleek phoenix]

It's disgusting

I can't believe they'd just outright do that on a zero day virus

Guys

Remember when I said AMD needs competition or they jack prices?

This is exactly the sort of "I've won" behaviour they're so overprone to doing

[blazing crypt]

I don't think 99% of consumers have anything to worry about

"Attackers need to access the system kernel to exploit the Sinkclose vulnerability, so the system would have to already be compromised. The hack itself is a sophisticated vector that is usually only used by state-sponsored hackers, so most casual users should take that into account."

[sleek phoenix]

Leave your laptop alone for 2 minutes in a public space and boom, it's toast

And that happens a lot, people don't always take their things to a bathroom

It's insane to me that they'd just say it outright like "Yeah we won't fix it" painting a huge target on the back of any old threadripper

If this wasn't a zero day vulnerability* I wouldn't care

This is the type of stuff as to why we have hackers who credit card skim in shopping centres

[tepid wasp]

This isn't a day zero vulnerability. This is an 18 year old vulnerability

[sleek phoenix]

It's a day zero as it's an ever-present issue in all ryzens up until this point

They were notified essentially just before the late public presentation of it and it's been acknowledged

No patch is currently done

It's day zero

They've had no time to fix it, and it's been present since the beginning of ryzen

[tepid wasp]

They were notified 10 months in advance of the announcement and nobody knows if it has already been exploited, from articles I've read quoting the people who found it, they merely speculate that state-level hackers likely have the means of exploiting it, not that they actually have

[sleek phoenix]

Yes so you can consider it zero day, as it's been present for even processors beyond ryzen up through to 2006

It's been there since the beginning, it counts as zero day in multiple circumstances

[sleek phoenix]

Additionally only enterprise has been fixed, desktop not

[tepid wasp]

Innit zero day if AMD didn't have time to patch it before it became publically known and used? They had 10 months before anybody outside of that group who found it knew about it

[sleek phoenix]

Up until this point, it was "Zero day alive"

For all desktop and consumers at this very point in time, it is "Zero day dead"

For enterprise, it has been patched and mitigated

[tepid wasp]

Ah, I didn't know about the dead and alive thing, I thought it was strictly if the dev didn't know until the public knew

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah it has multiple definitions

The classical one is if it's had zero work whatsoever done, like for example, chromium's one last year

Which was a vulnerability known for 18 years (Ironically) as well

Another grey definition of it

"Zero day" implying it's unpatchable due to level 0 access

[shut osprey]

We just can't win bro

[sleek phoenix]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

Updated

TL;DR new disable option for intel default settings turns off all 0x129 mitigations. Highly recommended not to use this option at this point in time

https://youtu.be/TOvJAHhQKZg

[manic horizon]

Isn't Sinkclose like
Hard to actually use unlike Specter and Meltdown?

IIRC even a 5yo can exploit Meltdown

@sleek phoenix

So it's slightly less of a major concern for average people

[sleek phoenix]

@manic horizon ^

Any old laptop, and old pc in a store or something

Them saying they won't is the part I find disgusting

And for that I think they should patch it regardless

[manic horizon]

I mean are you expecting to have active development for almost 20 year old CPUs at this point?

It might be a feelsbadman moment

But AMD is at the very least upfront about what they'll do (or more not do in this case)

None of the past-release stuff that's released is something anyone is entitled to (and I'm saying that at the risk of being labeled a fanboy/corpo shill)

BIOS updates, drivers and so on are not a given

I wonder how many of the chips are actually not getting patched

Is it questionable that AMD won't fix it for old chips? Absolutely

Are we entitled to it however?

How many people actually use the chips that aren't getting the patch?
They're over a decade old at this point (iirc)

Also again
You need kernel-level access to exploit the vulnerability

That's not something you can get in 2 minutes

[blazing crypt]

Tons, actually

They patched Enterprise level chips but not consumer desktops

Granted, the odds of a consumer desktop being cracked in this way by state level actors is low but not unprobably

This problem extends all the way up to 9000 series CPU's

Basically, Ryzen 3000 and older won't be patched as of yet

[manic horizon]

The point is that most of the chips that are currently in active use will be patched

[tepid wasp]

They should be atleast covering all of the Ryzen cpus. FX and older is more forgiveable, but a lot of people are still on pre-5000 series cpus

[cyan hamlet]

3000 is still recommended to people buying used on a tight budget because you can upgrade it to 5700X3D later. They're still decent gaming chips. Declaring that you won't support a series that's barely 5 years old feels scummy.

[sleek phoenix]

I really don't think AMD deserves defending on this

[sleek phoenix]

As Fal said, some are very young chips, and as I said, they've basically declared anything 5 years or older as open season.
And as I've said already, I would care less if they secretly didn't do it, but now the entire public knows about this massive vulnerability.

A ton of people are still on ryzen 3k or older ryzen. There are people in this discord even who run to regular tech cycles on ryzen 3k

If the microcode is a small fix to do for 5k that can be sent via windows update, then they can apply it to all am4 not just 5k

Why stop at the end when you've got one working example on the platform? It's just dumb that they're doing this

[cyan hamlet]

What about the 3800XT? That chip is only 4 years old.

[sleek phoenix]

So much for AM4 long term support, seems only 5K gets that pie

[sleek phoenix]

Real

4 years down the track and your air gapped system is now marked as securely redundant

How tf is this ok

Not even nvidia is this bad

Nvidia keeps security coming for long after their usual window of support, so does microsoft

The more I defend this and think about it, the worse I feel it is

Wow they won't even do threadripper 1k or 2k

Wtf is this

THEY WON'T DO EPYC 1K OR 2K???

Holy crap

This is really bad wtf

Wait no they are