building-and-recc-chat

[plucky timber]

Well he's getting a free 1080ti

So it doesn't really matter

[little osprey]

From a person who played TF2 on a Intel Pentium for a long time I can confirm

[plucky timber]

I played Minecraft on a Pentium before

Celeron*

Before the game got too unoptimized

[little osprey]

The game is mid

[plucky timber]

Sandy bridge actually

[little osprey]

It's lost it's charm

[plucky timber]

Yeah

1.8.9 was peak Minecraft

[little osprey]

Same I played on a i3-380M

Minecraft

[little osprey]

I play 1.12 for stuff like Tekkit and all those good old mods

[plucky timber]

Ah yes

1.12 was a good mod version

[little osprey]

Mhm

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NgM234

4500 has better performance than 13100f in single core

And that mobo can support a 5800x3d

In the future

Psu would be fine with a 6800xt and likely more in the future, for whenever he decides to upgrade

If he does

[thorn mural]

I’m going to have to convince them to go AMD but thx for the suggestion

[strong raft]

4500 doesn't beat 13100/12100 afaik. 5600 besides being 6cores is normally what's similar to 12100/13100 imo. Also leaves plenty of upgrade path incl "14th" gen even if it's only a small refresh of 13th.

[manic cloak]

@obsidian wigeon

[obsidian wigeon]

damn, that's sad

[paper summit]

Makes sense

[thorn mural]

so apevia prestige 600w or corsair cx650m

These are the parts i'm gonna buy and the psu is up for debate atm

[earnest olive]

?!

where did you get this idea

the 13100f obliterates the 4500 in single core and it isn't even close

[thorn mural]

Yo orange any opinion on this one

[earnest olive]

probably the cx650m

[thorn mural]

cool thank you

Okay here is the final draft of the computer

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMYhMV

Any disagreements

[earnest olive]

the ram is EXTREMELY overpriced but looks like you already bought it

more expensive than 32gb of non-rgb ram with the same speed/timings

also you might want a better power supply for a 1080ti

that power supply comes with a single daisy chained pcie cable

[plucky timber]

Yeah can confirm

He already owns the ram, gpu and ssd

[earnest olive]

pure power 11 is a decent price right now

[plucky timber]

It's actually looking pretty good rn

The list

[earnest olive]

i'm uncomfortable with the power supply

[plucky timber]

You reckon that board can take a 13700F?

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

lol

[plucky timber]

I'd go with a RM

[earnest olive]

maybe if you enforce 65W

[plucky timber]

hmm

[earnest olive]

no need to go that high

pure power 11 should do the job

[plucky timber]

hm

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LbHQ7R

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's pretty solid

My PSU selections are pretty rudimentary

[earnest olive]

if you want a better upgrade path i'd either go ryzen or used z690

[plucky timber]

My methodology is pretty much
xx60 or below - any C tier PSU
xx70 or above - A/B tier psu

[earnest olive]

this board looks like it will start melting if an i7 with unlocked power limits sneezes in its general direction

[earnest olive]

well... this is an 80ti

[plucky timber]

true

Despite being pascal

It still sucks power

[earnest olive]

it's older now and performs like a 60 class card but that doesn't mean its power requirements got any different

[plucky timber]

I mean especially since it's pascal

Kinda impressive how efficient chips have got

My 3070 mobile can probably match that 1080ti

less vram tho

[earnest olive]

the gap between an i3-13100 and r5 4500 in single core is significantly larger than the gap between an r5 4500 and an i5-4570 in single core

rough

[plucky timber]

Ah yes

[earnest olive]

r5 4500 has 33.6% lead in single core vs. i5-4670
i3-13100 has 44.4% lead in single core vs. r5 4500

[plucky timber]

Damn

I think I have a 4570 in my mini pc

[earnest olive]

r5 4500 is gimped zen 2

[plucky timber]

Ah

[earnest olive]

lowkey might even have problems keeping up with the 1080ti at 1080p lol

[plucky timber]

damn

So like

Sandy bridge levels

[earnest olive]

probably doesn't game much better than 6 core haswell-e

[plucky timber]

oh

[earnest olive]

nah, sandy bridge is too low

[plucky timber]

I wonder if you would get better value by getting a used xeon

[lone flame]

does anyone have any more information about the 7900 XTX starfield version? The little I know if that there are giveaways at quakecon but will there be any online ones?

[plucky timber]

But then upgrade path is out of the window

[earnest olive]

nothing older than haswell is worth considering anymore these days

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

since avx2 is in everything

[plucky timber]

Haswell is the king of used hardware these days

Well

[earnest olive]

king is an interesting word choice

[plucky timber]

King of the super budget market

[earnest olive]

haswell is the bare minimum for used hardware lol

[plucky timber]

hm

[earnest olive]

anything older than that if you're buying it then hopefully it's for benching

[plucky timber]

I wonder how's the value on skylake chips

Or kaby

[earnest olive]

skylake is pretty terrible value

for some reason people think their z270 mobos are still worth $150

[plucky timber]

still?

Damn

💀

For what

[earnest olive]

ryzen is value king for used hardware imo

[plucky timber]

Quad core max

[earnest olive]

i picked up a b350 for $30 and a b450m wifi board for $35

[plucky timber]

When ryzen is priced better than skylake

💀

[earnest olive]

both of them will run 5600x3d/5800x3d + ddr4-3600 lol

[cyan ravine]

I do not miss my kaby lake

💀

[plucky timber]

Kaby lake got killed by ryzen

[earnest olive]

cheapest am4 board you can find + a used 5600 or even 3600

and you're balling

used 3600 + mobo is cheaper than a used z270 mobo on its own

[plucky timber]

Damn

[cyan ravine]

Ya imo you try and get a newish chip with 6 cores and you're doing well

[plucky timber]

Used B450 Pro 4?

That's kinda decent

[cyan ravine]

Yeah sure

[earnest olive]

used 5600 + mobo can even be cheaper than a z270 mobo on its own

i got an ab350 pro4 for $30

gigabyte b450m ds3h wifi for $35

[cyan ravine]

Kaby lake like, I was doing basic cad on it and my system would die

Rocket to 100% cpu over the smallest changes

Drove me nuts

[earnest olive]

used zen 2 is cheap

3600s are like 60-70

3700x for 80-90 is solid for budget workstation stuff

[cyan ravine]

Back then I had a real reason for x299 and I didn't take it

[earnest olive]

i'm so glad we have moved on from high end quad cores

[plucky timber]

Fr

[cyan ravine]

1000%

[plucky timber]

Screw quad cores

[cyan ravine]

Made my life easier

Now, big cores when

[plucky timber]

I have a quad core running a Linux nas

It's

Fine

The worst I can toss at it is modded Minecraft

But the game's likes single core perf

And ram

But like

For daily use

You can feel it's age

[earnest olive]

my 1500x still chilling in my test bench

even with 8gb single channel ram

OS and web browsing feels fine

extremely heavily debloated though

that 8gb would be a much bigger problem in a more normal setup for sure

[plucky timber]

omg

That was my first ryzen

[earnest olive]

idle ram usage is like 1gb lol

[plucky timber]

I had 4gb single channel 2133 at first

It was uh

💀💀💀💀

[earnest olive]

1x8gb 3000 15-17-17-35 hynix mfr

my friend smuggled it out of work lol

got the cpu and mobo for my test bench for free

psu for $15, mobo for $35

[thorn mural]

thanks for the input

the ram wasnt actually bought for that much rn thats just what i had paid for before

the price is for reference and nothing else

[earnest olive]

was hoping so

enjoy the build

[manic cloak]

for 200$, free shipping

27GP83B

I could return the acer refrub im getting (XV272U Vbmii)

[potent portal]

The Acer is a fair bit better

[manic cloak]

ah

hdr400 is on it but

that ain’t real

same with hdr10

[potent portal]

There's no "real" HDR on any monitor below $800

They just aren't bright enough

[manic cloak]

pled would be the best choice for real hdr right

oled*

[potent portal]

Yes but also no

It depends on the model

[cyan ravine]

Qled, miniled can also do proper hdr

Anything hdr1000 is proper tier

[potent portal]

Yeah and those won't burn in as fast as oled

[cyan ravine]

Microled, qd oled

Ye fr

Even LG's new 1440p 240hz baby hasn't got real hdr

The oled GR

[potent portal]

Last I checked the most affordable "real" HDR monitor was actually a TV, the LG C2

42"

[cyan ravine]

That makes sense

My FV43U has hdr1000

Basically a tv in disguise

What were those QLED's the hisense ones?

Do they have hdr1000?

[potent portal]

These ones? https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/hisense/u6h

Not enough dimming zones for real HDR

[cyan ravine]

Sadge

[potent portal]

Oh, this is a thing now https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c3-oled

As of June I guess

[cyan ravine]

Ah and they list it straight up as WOLED

So it's not got burn in problems

Neat

[potent portal]

It gets a little brighter than the old model overall

[limber oyster]

So...I have this little blinky light near my GPU power pins...it's not my RGB

[manic cloak]

mobo or gpu?

[limber oyster]

GPU

[manic cloak]

considering it’s red on red

ah

@limber oyster does it ever stop before cycling again or is it constant?

[limber oyster]

Constant

I just noticed it

[manic cloak]

Weird. Searching the problem up and it mentions that there can be 3 flashing lights

which indicates psu not delivering enough power

or that the card has a big

bug*

@limber oyster what psu/watt, and have you updated drivers aswell OC lately?

[plucky timber]

I'd take info from the debug light with a grain of salt

They're useful but I wouldn't completely trust them

Last time my motherboard leds lit up

[manic cloak]

i don’t think anyone would be happy about a constant blinking red light starting out of no where

[plucky timber]

The CPU light lit up

It was a faulty hard drive

[manic cloak]

well this is a gpu and it isn’t on a mobo

[plucky timber]

still

[manic cloak]

power isn’t drawn from the mobo

cool if it was but

it’s either hardware, drivers, or psu really.

[limber oyster]

Asus ROG strix 3080 RTX, Asus ROG thor 1000w 80+ platinum PSU, Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi x570

[plucky timber]

The point is that debug leds shouldn't be taken literally

[limber oyster]

And Boeing, this isn't a debug light from the motherboard

This is from the GPU itself

[manic cloak]

no idea if that’s the most recent driver?

could be a bad pcie cable for all we know

[limber oyster]

According to armoury crate and Nvidia, yes latest driver

For all the above

[frigid night]

They should be actually. They are a good indicator at what is most likely the issue. You had an outlier error. That doesn't automatically make led debug useless.

[limber oyster]

Imma turn off the PC after this windows driver update installs and reset the PCIe cables

[manic cloak]

@limber oyster I watched a quick video, and saw a clip from asus I believe. How many pcie slots is on the card?

NO

DONT

[frigid night]

Telling people a useful feature to not be taken literally.. is bad advice.

[manic cloak]

just hold on

3 pcie slots right?

[limber oyster]

3 and only one is blinking. I noticed it while gaming and there was no lag, no artificing, no over heating

[manic cloak]

or 3x8

[limber oyster]

It's 3x8

[manic cloak]

which one is blinking?

1 2 or 3

[limber oyster]

Far left only from what I can see

[manic cloak]

alright

[plucky timber]

ah ok

[manic cloak]

you should be safe to turn off your pc, but apparently that is a safety feature in where THAT PCIE slot is not drawing enough power from the psu

an apparent under load from the psu

[limber oyster]

Also, my board has a Q-code thing that I can use to see what specifically is the issue, not just ram, CPU, etc

[manic cloak]

a possible disconnect reconnect of the pcie could fix, or swapping it out off a new one

[limber oyster]

Well I plan to go 4090 in February so...it probably will be replaced anyways

[frigid night]

I'd reseat all PCIe cables at the GPU and PSU

[manic cloak]

I did see a help article say they couldn’t get boot after they shut off

but then again, that was all 3

[manic cloak]

i’m willing to buy

[limber oyster]

Wish I could've gotten better pic, but my coolant tubes were in the way

[manic cloak]

imo

[manic cloak]

take the pcie cable from the slot that’s flashing

and put it in 3

see if that fixes it or if it starts flashing

sure cords will get tangled

but that could mean 1 of 2 things, pcie cable is shot or pcie slot is shot on the psu

[frigid night]

Or on the GPU itself as well

[manic cloak]

true

but that’s if it stays red in the far left

https://youtu.be/1milKOPa9zA?t=1550

[limber oyster]

It's gone... probably came loose

[frigid night]

Vibrations do that

All those fans constantly going. Something is bound to work itself out ever so slightly

[limber oyster]

Especially when you carry from your room to the living room and back a few times a month

[frigid night]

Ah yeah. Make a habit of just giving everything a push when you do that.

[manic cloak]

wait so it was a loose pcie?

[limber oyster]

Maybe

Possibly

It's gone so...

Imma turn off and move it back

[manic cloak]

so it’s disconnected..?

[limber oyster]

I switched 1 and 3

[manic cloak]

cause when you say gone, i’m thinking 💨

[limber oyster]

It went away

[manic cloak]

ah

[limber oyster]

I'm switch them back to test if it truly was loose

[manic cloak]

ngl i kinda like that feature

it’s kinda smart

[limber oyster]

The lights?

[manic cloak]

ya

[limber oyster]

Yeah, it confused me when I first saw them

I upgraded from a Dell blower style cooler 2060S

I switched em back and it's fixed

[frigid night]

Sweet

[limber oyster]

Another thing I like is this

[manic cloak]

if they put a/rgb lights where asus has it on your gpu, it’d be cool if it could self diagnosis itself

[frigid night]

Where is this 2060s blower?

[limber oyster]

4 pin fan headers

[manic cloak]

nice

[limber oyster]

I sold the 2060S

[frigid night]

Rip

[limber oyster]

Why?

It ran like 90°C on Diablo 3

[frigid night]

That's ok

[limber oyster]

Lol

I'll be getting rid of my 3080 in February so...

With the waterblock

[frigid night]

I have my Aorus Master already

[limber oyster]

Lol

[manic cloak]

still have the original cooler?

[frigid night]

Just looking at lower tier cards for builds

[limber oyster]

Somewhere...idk if I still have screws...

[frigid night]

Rip

[manic cloak]

rip indeed

[limber oyster]

It's probably in the waterblock box under my bed

[frigid night]

Always keep screws in a baggy that's labeled!

For future

[limber oyster]

I'm 80% certain they're with the stock cooler in the waterblock box

[manic cloak]

i could sell reo my 6650xt, then buy the 3080 off of you in february

[frigid night]

Ha

[limber oyster]

Lol

[frigid night]

Sadly no buying or selling in this servee

[limber oyster]

I might sell my 1000w PSU and get a 1200w thor as well

[frigid night]

Buttttttt

[manic cloak]

or, I take a chance and buy a 6700xt for 180$ usd off of fbm

[frigid night]

If it's good price. Dm me bb

[limber oyster]

Lmao

[manic cloak]

for supposed “couldn’t work cause too new for pc”

[limber oyster]

GPU PSU combo

[manic cloak]

who said

we have to buy or sell in THIS server?

[limber oyster]

It's called random PMs out of nowhere

"hey buddy I heard you was looking for something a little...special. I got just the items for you"

[frigid night]

Lol

[limber oyster]

Jkjk

[manic cloak]

“hey bro i saw that you were planning to upgrade your gpu 5 months ago, did you cause i’ll buy for 400$”

[limber oyster]

But yeah, Asus ROG Strix 3080rtx+Asus ROG thor 1000w 80+ platinum v2 psu

[frigid night]

Is it a 10 or 12gb?

Also.. is it white?

[limber oyster]

10GB

No

[manic cloak]

i think it’s 10

ye

oh?

[limber oyster]

I hate white builds

[frigid night]

Nvm and nvm haha

[frigid night]

Take that back

[limber oyster]

I have 4 furred pets

And I'm a mechanic

[manic cloak]

i hope you spill tomato sauce on your white case

[limber oyster]

Dust, grease, etc....yeah no

[manic cloak]

and can’t scrub it out

[frigid night]

I'm out

[limber oyster]

I have CATS

I'm not having a white build with jerk face cats

But before I do put it up for sale somewhere, imma repad and re-paste it with thermal grizzly

[cyan ravine]

Did you ever fix that horrendous pcb bending

[limber oyster]

The PCB isnt bending

It's just the one input slot

I've said this thank you very much

[supple geyser]

Hm Is it great to pair the 7 5900x with the 7900xt or the 6950xt?

for white builds

[potent portal]

It would be fine if you're doing 4k or 1440p ultra, but if you're gaming the 5700X can actually beat the 5900X, due to the dual chiplet design causing latency when CPU cores have to talk to each other.
Even better, get a 5800X3D.

[mossy venture]

Or 7600, 7700, or 7800x3d

[supple geyser]

is the gigabyte 2k G27Q a good monitor

[strong raft]

Sure, & not 2k (that's 1080p basically)

[supple geyser]

nope

it is 2k

[mossy venture]

It's 1440p, which is not 2k

[supple geyser]

Nope

QHD Is 2k

[fossil cedar]

well yes but actually no its not, by some marketing it is but its actually like 2.5k and 1080p is 2k as you use the first number hence how 1080p is 2k (1920x1080, 1920 is way closer to 2k than 2560x1440 which would be 2.5k )

[jagged ember]

Just go by the end number tbh

720, 1080, 1440, 2160

That would be so much easier than

Hd

Uhd

Qhd

Some other form of hd

Applied to everything including ultrawides and weird aspect ratio monitors

[flint sapphire]

1080p 2k 4k 8k

[manic cloak]

2k is a marketing scheme for 1440p

but I never realized i’ve been playing on 2k all this time

[fleet heron]

wait 2k=1400p?

so that means 1080p is 1k?

[manic cloak]

nono

[fleet heron]

then whats 2k?

[manic cloak]

1920/1080 is closer to 2k

[fleet heron]

oh

[manic cloak]

cause 1080p is 1920x1080 pixels

[fleet heron]

2k is 2000/2000?

[manic cloak]

that’s closer to 2k

[manic cloak]

I guess, but you wouldn’t want a square

[fleet heron]

oh yea ig so lmao

[viral ore]

1.920k x 1080p

2.560k x 1440p

3.840k x 2160p

in both instances you are counting pixels

so, with all units showing, 3.840kp x 2.160kp

in conclusion, everyone is stupid for not specifying horizontal or vertical when stating the pixel count of one of the sides

[frigid night]

I love being stupid.

[viral ore]

i do too

fav past time

i always forget the p stands for progressive, and not pixel

its the line count, which is technically different, but the math works out identically so whatever

[upper condor]

I have a friend who made a build with an fx-8320 and a 1650 super, and his performance is wonky. he has low CPU and GPU

ive been saying its a bottleneck

[upper condor]

in games but in furmark he says its 100%

but i just wanna make sure that im correct??

[obsidian wigeon]

an fx

well that explains it

a 1650 isn't all that powerful but that fx sure is slow

[upper condor]

that s what ive been sayin to him and he won't listen LOL

he says his cpu usage would be higher but i dont know how to explain thats wrong

[obsidian wigeon]

those cpus lost to sandy bridge

and that's from like 2010

most games doesn't use many cores, especially older ones

so that's probably why he sees low cpu usage

if he upgrades cpu to something modern, he'll see increase in perf for sure

gpu gives similar result, buuuut

that cpu will be a huge problem lol

as soon as you plop in faster gpus

[upper condor]

yeah i figured, cpus be silly

[obsidian wigeon]

it'll probably introduce ugly stutters and bad frametimes

[mossy venture]

Seconded, def cpu

For ultra budget, could get a 10th gen i3, 3300x, 2600, etc used

[earnest olive]

EiGhT cOrEs Is EiGhT cOrEs

[earnest olive]

here's how

most games are still primarily single thread bound as the majority of game logic cannot run in parallel

the fx 8320 has the single core performance of a wagon with no wheels, so it can be bottlenecking the graphics card in games even if most of the cpu is not being used

it is VERY rare to see 100% cpu usage in games even in heavy bottleneck situations, unless maybe you have a dual core or something

even if you paired that FX 8320 with a 4090 you would probably not see 100% cpu usage in most games

(R20 single core)

• AMD FX-8320 (2012): 188
• AMD Phenom II X4 965 (2009, probably free at your local e-waste recycling center): 190
• AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (2018, $50 used): 374. Really don't recommend this one compared to 10100F or 3600
• Intel Core i3-10100F (2020, $40-50 used): 448
• AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (2019, $60-70 used): 472
• AMD Ryzen 5 5600X (2020, $100-110 used): 604 (overkill for the GTX 1650)
• Intel Core i3-12100F (2020, $65-75 used): 642 (overkill for the GTX 1650)
• AMD Ryzen 5 7600 (2023, $150-170 used): 722 (overkill for the GTX 1650)
• Intel Core i9-13900K (2022, $400-450 used): 877 (more for scale than anything)

feel free to show him that to illustrate the point

[mossy venture]

And if lucky can get a mobo for $30-40 for 10100f or 2600/3300x/3600

[upper condor]

LOl thanks he finaly got it through his skull

damn that was 2012 while ago

[wary tundra]

you think it would be dumb if I ran a 650w with a r5 5600x with a 3080?

[mossy venture]

Depends on the model of psu

If its good and you undervolt, no

[wary tundra]

its a 5 year old supernova

[obsidian wigeon]

which supernova?

they're all good, just that i wanna know

[mossy venture]

Yeah which specific one

It should be fine though, as long as you power limit the 3080

I believe all supernova psus are B tier or A tier

[wary tundra]

i think either a g2 or g3

[mossy venture]

Both are Single rail A tier apparently, so good psu

[obsidian wigeon]

ya all supernovas are b or a

[mossy venture]

Like I said I would undervolt the gpu, but you'll be fine

Or could go 6800xt, if you don't need Cuda

I've ran a 6800xt on an A tier 650 without issue without uving

And its better than 3080, and normally cheaper unless you got a good deal on a 3080 used

[wary tundra]

nice! I remember in 2018 when I went to go buy it everyone told me to avoid it.

[obsidian wigeon]

what

why would people tell ypu against getting it?

[mossy venture]

As long as it isn't a w(1-3) n(1-3) you're pretty much fine with a few exceptions from evga

[wary tundra]

I would buy a 6800xt but I sorta want to try dlss, I tried fsr and its good but I think dlss will get me more fps

[mossy venture]

What games do you mostly play?

Also what resolution?

[wary tundra]

I think it had something to do with the caps melting

1440p, I've been playing cyberpunk and red dead 2 recently but I mostly play older games

I just want to run those two at a higher frame rate

[mossy venture]

What price are you getting the 3080 at?

And cyberpunk likes nvidia, rdr2 likes amd

[wary tundra]

I saw a refurbished on newegg for 450

[mossy venture]

I'd check where it's from

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

There's this https://www.ebay.com/itm/385898807669?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_WbF24AfQmC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[wary tundra]

should be good

[mossy venture]

Open box 3080 from zotac direct for $435

With warranty

[wary tundra]

I didn't even think about ebay

very smart

[mossy venture]

It's not a used card tho, just open box

Could probably find cheaper actually used if you wanted to

Would just take some hunting prob

[wary tundra]

I think Im going to try to find a evga card

i've always wanted to own one

I loved this design for the 1080 when it released

[obsidian wigeon]

evga isn't all that special tbh

[wary tundra]

im sure, but they look cool

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[mossy venture]

Msi gaming z trio looks pretty cool too if it pops up

[wary tundra]

true!

[gentle pollen]

Style wise what is your guys favorite within the 40 series?

[mossy venture]

I've not a clue

I've never compared different models in generations bc I don't really gaf about looks

[gentle pollen]

Understandable.

[obsidian wigeon]

I err, well

I like gigabyte aero most

[frigid night]

You can shush Mr Foxy

[obsidian wigeon]

how about no

[lone flame]

the founder editions look cool

[manic cloak]

The chilliest pc you’ll see for a bit

[paper summit]

How much

[manic cloak]

(Literally cooling nothing serious) 💀💀

700$

[paper summit]

Ew

[manic cloak]

Ikr

[paper summit]

Gross price

[manic cloak]

should be like 300 at best

[paper summit]

9900k gets hot but still

Also

All bros fans are exhaust

💀

[manic cloak]

💀💀

I was gonna say, 9 fans

[paper summit]

THEYRE LIGHT LOOPS TOO

[manic cloak]

?

[paper summit]

Corsair

LL stands for light loop

[manic cloak]

Oh god 💀

Crappy and hot

[manic cloak]

God

They keep getting worse

Oh my

Definitely high mid

[potent portal]

I think that's a typo, it's mid if you're high

[lyric thistle]

are the fans all exhaust

[manic cloak]

I believe so

[lyric thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/im-exhausted-renforshort-moshpit-song-im-tired-worn-out-gif-24995360

[analog hearth]

would

[pseudo forge]

Any suggestions on how I can fix this

Cable won’t go in because of the fan

[obsidian wigeon]

remove the fan

and try plugging it in

[lyric thistle]

https://www.amazon.com/usb-3-90-degree-adapter/s?k=usb+3+90+degree+adapter

something like this?

[obsidian wigeon]

that's probably gonna make it worse lol

there's already little space

[pseudo forge]

That’s for my front usb ports right

That cable?

[lyric thistle]

yes

usb 3.0 ones

[pseudo forge]

Don’t buy this case

I’m blaming the case

[lyric thistle]

looks like they sell them as two pieces, one that angles 90 degrees the wrong way and one that angles the correct way

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

that's nice

[pseudo forge]

I need another set of these for a 6900XT right?

My gpu has 3 8pin connectors

Nvm 😭😭

[mossy venture]

You should use three separate connectors yes

[pseudo forge]

So I would need new connectors?

[mossy venture]

If you can't, daisy chaining one should be fine, just wouldnt try to run more than stock power using morepowertool for ocing

[potent portal]

Ideally 3 separate but you can get away with using a daisy chain as long as you don't overclock it much

[mossy venture]

What fal said

[pseudo forge]

It’s already gonna be oc

That’s fine?

[mossy venture]

Oc in the name doesn't really mean anything

[potent portal]

Factory oc doesn't count

[mossy venture]

In actuality it's like a 2% difference and doesn't affect power draw

If not less

[pseudo forge]

Would getting another cable to be safe be better? I don’t plan on OC

[mossy venture]

I mean, if your psu has another pcie power slot

Then sure

If not then just daisy chain it

[pseudo forge]

Any cable would be fine?

[mossy venture]

No

[pseudo forge]

Oh

[mossy venture]

It has to be specifically for that psu

Cables are not interchangeable between psus

[pseudo forge]

Cooler master then

[mossy venture]

No

Specific psu

[pseudo forge]

Ohhhh

[potent portal]

Even the same brand but different model can use different cables

[pseudo forge]

I got you

[mossy venture]

There are some that might have the same pinout between brands, but unless you know for certain that a few models from the same brand use the same cables, get the exact model cables you have

[potent portal]

Corsair are really the only ones that fully standardized their cables

[mossy venture]

Like corsair rm, rme, rmx are interchangeable

And a few others

[pseudo forge]

Also using strimmers if that makes any diff

[potent portal]

Nope no difference

[pseudo forge]

Okay I’ll daisy chain for now

Until I get the cable

[potent portal]

But not RMx Shift

[mossy venture]

I didn't even know there was a difference

[potent portal]

New type 5 cable

[mossy venture]

Is shift their atx 3.0 model?

Ah ok

[pseudo forge]

How do I find the cable for my psu

Entered the psu and the cable I need in Google

Nothing coming up

850W Cooler Master MWE, 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular PSU, Single Rail, 70.8A +12V, Black, ATX PSU $6NN2S. This is my psu if anyone can help me find a 8pin cable would appreciate it

[mossy venture]

Might have to order straight from cooler masters website, or contact their customer service

[arctic hedge]

yo

how do i change the fan speed of my fans that r connected via a splitter?

the only 4 pin on the splitter i used for a 3 pin, as it wouldnt fit on the other ones

the other ones are 4 pin(missing the third pin)

[fossil cedar]

If you have fans on a splitter you can only set the speed for the splitter and the fans will copy that

If you have dc (3 pin only) fans on a pwm (4 pin splitter) make sure you change the mode in bios to dc not pwm control

[potent portal]

If it's going to be this much trouble, don't worry about it tbh. You can use the daisy chain safely as long as you don't push the power limit up.

[manic cloak]

God

The amount of dust

It could just kill

The only thing that came in plastic was the hdmi

Otherwise it was tape, rubber bands, or just in the box that isn’t even branded 💀

[potent portal]

Here's the manual https://www.manua.ls/acer/nitro-xv2-xv272u/manual?p=20

[manic cloak]

Ty

[potent portal]

Too bad it doesn't seem to cover attaching the stand

[manic cloak]

Cause i-

Bruh

I see screws with this stuff

So I have no clue if it’s just hook on it deattach

[potent portal]

It's probably really simple and you just place it on and screw it in

There's a diagram that shows the base attached so you can get an idea of where it goes

[manic cloak]

Oh I got it

It was a clip on 💀

So misleading

[potent portal]

Huh, weird

[manic cloak]

It was different than my gigabyte

It had like 2 screws on it, this has 4 on the stand and 4 on the back

But no usb port

It has the literal sketch of it molded into the monitor though

So this is like basic Chinese Lego set ngl

[potent portal]

Yeah they do that a lot. It makes things simpler during the injection molding and assembly phases if they all use the same shell and just pop out the connectors they need.

[manic cloak]

I wonder if they sell the part separately

Or maybe if somebody does

[potent portal]

Nope it would need to be soldered to the motherboard and enabled in the monitor bios

[manic cloak]

Damn

[manic cloak]

@potent portal yk how to fix that in #build-pics

[potent portal]

I don't see what the issue is

[manic cloak]

The screen is extremely zoomed out

[potent portal]

That's just how a 4k desktop looks

[manic cloak]

I got 1440p now 😭

I'm just not used to how zoom out it is unlike 1080p ig, cause less pixels

any way to zoom it in a little bit?

Nvm got it fixed.

[paper summit]

Scaling

[manic cloak]

It was scaling that I had to do

Yup

[paper summit]

Yes

[manic cloak]

Should I have hdr400 on?

or nah

Crap

I don’t think it’s supposed to do that.

Okay the video's quality is always crappy through discord, but basically there's flickering on the edge of the screen when I changed the type of brightness

[potent portal]

Do you have HDR and everything enabled in the monitor OSD?

Some of them you need to enable a higher bandwidth setting too

[manic cloak]

Not on the windows itself, just monitor

[potent portal]

What I'll do on my (also fairly cheap) monitor is leave HDR disabled globally and enable it within games that support it

[manic cloak]

ah

I'm gonna test fortnite with it rn (ikr) and see how it looks, but I keep getting flicks

ya screen keeps flickering

I think I fixed it going into the game? no clue. Also I noticed the monitor is kinda hot, damn built in power bricks

[potent portal]

Kinda hot is fine, if it's so hot you can't touch it for more than a few seconds then it's an issue

[weary galleon]

Not your issue to solve though

Unless you'd rather strap a fan to your monitor than rma

[pseudo forge]

Anyone got lian li strimmers V2?

[raven spear]

hi, I'm looking to by a gaming computer for Starfeild over at Newegg and was hoping that someone had any suggestions for one that wouldn't break the bank but at the same time not run like a potato.

[mossy venture]

whats your budget and what country

and are you building it yourself or buying a pre built

[raven spear]

sadly 600-700

[mossy venture]

at that price you can't really do a pre built, but you could build a pretty decent pc if youre fine with that

[raven spear]

US

[raven spear]

im cool with that. i just want to be sure it will run on whatever it is i buy.

[mossy venture]

You could do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8YB6h3

though one sec

I'd spend a bit more for this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GJXzyg

[raven spear]

I'll check out both. thanks

[serene onyx]

Look at the goodies my teacher gave me

Happy asf rn

I got a extra fan for my pc

[runic spruce]

What class does that’s teacher teach?

Your teacher is cool

[serene onyx]

He teachers economics

But the school bought so many pc tool kits, and just things for pcs that they never used

So he said "Yeah, take as much as you want, it's never gonna be used"

My face lit up so hard when he said that

Gonna install the fan later

I get to try out my new toys

I also got a old 250gb hard drive

Do you think I can probably connect it to my current build and use it?

They had so many hard drives from 250 to 500gbs, I might take more tbh

[potent portal]

If it's sata sure it'll work

Good haul

[serene onyx]

Thanks man

Alright, it's sata

I'm gonna add it

The fans a 3 pin 😭

I'm gonna kms

Can I still use it?

[potent portal]

Yes you can use it

Set the header to DC mode in bios

[serene onyx]

So where do I plug it in after?

Any 4 pin one?

[potent portal]

Yep

[serene onyx]

Alright

Do I have to set the specific header into DC mode?

[serene onyx]

Thanks

[potent portal]

Yes whichever header you plug it into will need to be set to DC mode. That's usually the default if it's not an auto sensing header.

[serene onyx]

Alright

So I make sure it's in the right mode first before plugging it in?

[potent portal]

No it can be after plugging in

You'll know right away if it's in DC or PWM mode by how much noise it's making

[pseudo forge]

Have an issue. Got a new monitor and GPU

GPU seems to be running monitor on but nothing on the screen

[potent portal]

Is the monitor on the right input

[pseudo forge]

Nvm

I was being stupid

Well o think this was that issue

Dp into mobo 😭😭😭

Can’t believe I done that

[potent portal]

It happens lol

[serene onyx]

Bet

[pseudo forge]

Monitor only giving me 64hz option?

When it’s 240

Drivers?

[potent portal]

Probably drivers since it's new yes

If it's still an issue after installing drivers then ddu

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[pseudo forge]

I ddu before installing new one

I’m gonna get to drivers soon, hopefully it’s thay

Any tips on what to do after buying a used gpu

How can I properly test it without just the playing games

[strong raft]

3dmark timespy or unigine Superposition

[pseudo forge]

Is there a better way to get Bluetooth on a pc without a dongle?

[cyan ravine]

Wifi card if the mobo doesn't already have one

[late fjord]

https://a.co/d/cdom17j

https://a.co/d/2NHTmHg

[restive halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxwbvj

Thoughts.

I need to build something to play Fortnight and Valorant possibly some COD

[cyan ravine]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G2X7PF

Try a used 5700/XT if you need something with a little more oomph

[cyan ravine]

Flashback to this @pseudo forge 👀

[weary galleon]

Yeah 5600 has double the L3 cache

[cyan ravine]

It's also not a 3600 in disguise

[wary tundra]

a used 5700xt is such a good deal, I bought one new and it still keeps up with most stuff

I didn't mean to @ if I did i apologize

[cyan ravine]

Ur good, yeah it's such a solid sub 200 buy

[earnest olive]

$95 is also a lot to pay for an rx 580

that's getting really close to rx 5700xt pricing lol

pretty trivial to find 8gb rx 580 for $70 or less

[earnest olive]

exactly

[manic cloak]

Does anybody else also get massive headaches from upgrading to 1440p

Cause it feels real

[fleet heron]

anyone know what the difference is between the UHD graphics and the Xe graphics?

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-15-laptop/spd/inspiron-15-3520-laptop

i think the xe graphics is a better choice because of the price as it is on sale with better storage and good ram

[plucky timber]

They're both integrated graphics

But Xe is better

[plucky timber]

Also only one of the CPUs has UHD

The other ones have Xe

[fleet heron]

i know

whats the difference?

im assuming the Xe is better because it needs more ram and storage

[fleet heron]

oh also the i7 is the one im looking at

[plucky timber]

UHD is an older architecture

And also you don't necessarily need more ram and/or storage for Xe

That's just what dell offers

Tho more ram would be helpful

[mossy venture]

Try turning your brightness down

Or if you're using it, turn hdr off

If its off, turn it on

Could also grab a pair of blue light glasses, change viewing distance

Good few things to try

[potent portal]

Windows has a low blue light mode too

[manic cloak]

But- but- it’s hdr!

But I think it’s just the brightness

[fleet heron]

ah i see thanks for the help

[wary tundra]

I remember they used to but does seas sonic still make good psus?

like the focus series

[potent portal]

Some good, some bad. Refer to the pinned tier list in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[wary tundra]

oh nice

I need 3 independent pcie connectors, every psu im looking at has a split 6 plus 2

[potent portal]

Are you planning on overclocking, or using a 4090?

[wary tundra]

I want to use a 3080

[potent portal]

2 cables and a daisy chain will be fine

Even when you're overclocking a 3080 you won't be exceeding the rating of 2 cables, unless you replace the vbios

[wary tundra]

I mentioned it earlier but would I be able to do that with a 650w g2? I think I would have to purchase another pcie cable from evga

[potent portal]

G2 is A tier so it has a chance of standing up to it at least

650W is on the low side but it should be ok at stock with a lower power cpu

[wary tundra]

I have a 5600x so its not super power hungry

someone also said I could undervolt my psu

I will do anything just so I dont have to spend 160 on a new psu

[strong raft]

12400 & 3080 stock didn't go over 500w.

[potent portal]

Spikes tho

[strong raft]

Even so

[potent portal]

5600X + 3080 should work fine on 650W and if it turns out it doesn't it won't hurt anything

[wary tundra]

Im just a tiny bit worried about my cables burning with a daisy chain but if you say its cool then ill go for it

[potent portal]

They won't burn. 3080 is typically limited to 350W when overclocking. Each cable is rated for 150W, plus the PCIe slot is rated for 75W.

Cables also won't start melting until WELL past the spec, too. I've seen people pull 1000W through 2 cables.

[wary tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-miss-hugs-gif-5415807

Okay, Im doing it!

thank you

[mossy venture]

nah, you'd undervolt gpu

undervolting psu isnt a thing

[wary tundra]

lol!

makes more sense

[potent portal]

If anything you'd want to overvolt your PSU. They're a lot more efficient at 240V than 120V, and it's easy to wire a standard outlet for 240V. Just wire a hot to the neutral.

[strong raft]

@wary tundra you can go through this & later possibly undervolt. Personally just run 900mV or so instead of the stock 1050-ish & w/o a clock decrease. https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia Overclocking.md

[potent portal]

(for clarity please don't actually do this) Here's the correct way https://www.electrical-online.com/how_to_convert_an_outlet_or_receptacle_from_120v_to_240v/

[wary tundra]

[carmine summit]

Anyone know where to plug in FAN cable on F Panel?

[potent portal]

Fans don't plug into the front panel

[obsidian wigeon]

fans plug into fan headers

like cha_fan and such

or sys_fan

depending on board they're labelled differently, but should say fan

[fleet heron]

or a fan hub if you have one

[desert gulch]

Not the correct way

Correct way is just to move out of the USA

[fading acorn]

i’m thinking of getting edifier bookshelf speakers for my setup but i want then to sit on a stand on my desk anyone know of any that follow and grey/white color scheme

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-out-line-but-right-gif-22029772

[strong raft]

Too many here anyways, but that gif always makes me chuckle

[lone flame]

@fading acorn i love that keyboard

[red phoenix]

Where can I go to get advice on my pc build?

I went for advice on a different discord and immediately got told I need to change everything about my build

[potent portal]

Here works. What's your question?

[red phoenix]

I was wondering about my build I used Newegg to put together

I’m ridiculously new to this so go easy on me

https://newegg.io/93f132c

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

Not the worst but we can definitely do better

I'm gonna send you a list on pcpartpicker

Give me a few minutes

[red phoenix]

Ok ty

[fading acorn]

razor huntsman mini

[red phoenix]

My budget is around $2k but I can push it to $2400 at max

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok that helps to know cheers

@red phoenix
Option A
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DxdkL9

Option B
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P9Yxrv

Option A you can trim a bit off the price for sacrificing the white aesthetic

Good, 50$ or so

But either of these will play just about whatever you want

[red phoenix]

Is having white important for any reason? I saw in other discords that people were pretty adamant their PCs be white

[cyan ravine]

No reason for it

Just ooo shiny

Function wise it's just a colour does nothing

[flint sapphire]

Better for pictures

[red phoenix]

Is AMD generally better than Intel?

[flint sapphire]

Yesno

[cyan ravine]

Like You could trim back on the gpu like this. It still has a white backplate

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7VP4DZ

[cyan ravine]

Depends what you're doing

If you're looking for greatest game performance, 7800x3d is the easiest and cheapest way to get it

[red phoenix]

That’s exactly what I’m going for

[cyan ravine]

Yeah then def go amd

[red phoenix]

Good to know ty

[cyan ravine]

Platform wise it's cheaper to build to handle the hardware

Versus the i9 intels

These builds btw, are good for super high refresh 1440p, or full on 4K

Both can do it and quite competently

[red phoenix]

Is the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D have a big difference from the Ryzen 9 7900x?

[potent portal]

In gaming, yes

The X3D chips are 15-25% better in gaming

[red phoenix]

So I should probably stick with the 7 7800X3D if im primarily gaming

[potent portal]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

7800X3D=13900K/KS/KF=7950X3D>7900X3D>13700K/KF>>7700X>7950X=7900X>>13600K/KF>7600X

In that rough descending order

7800x3d and 139K are basically the equal fastest

[red phoenix]

Ah ok I see

[cyan ravine]

12900K is below all those

[potent portal]

It's not even fair with the X3Ds lol

[cyan ravine]

Meh I was close LOL

Not bad for brain power

[potent portal]

7800X3D beats the 13900K while costing about $200 less

[red phoenix]

Oh wow ok

[cyan ravine]

13900K can however match and beat it tho, but it takes an arm and a leg

Meanwhile the 7800x3d, can use well, basic stuff

[potent portal]

And a lot more power 💀

[cyan ravine]

The hierarchy might switch again with the 14th gen refresh coming but not really worth waiting for

You're looking at less than 5% improvement which is basically nothing

[red phoenix]

So is the big difference between option A and B the graphics card?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

4090 and 7900 XTX are a lot more black and white

XTX can get almost within arms reach of the 4090 in raw performance for almost half the price

With a couple caveats

The 4090 is just the big boy

The king of the roost

For gaming it is unchallenged

[potent portal]

5% just gets them to match the X3D, and then shortly after the next gen AMD will launch beating the current by about 20-25% (without 3D cache) if leaks/rumors are to be believed, so it's going to be a bloodbath

[red phoenix]

Is that the one people are struggling to get?

[cyan ravine]

Mm?

[red phoenix]

Cus of like crypto mining or whatever?

[potent portal]

Mining is dead

[red phoenix]

Idk I thought I saw something about that

[cyan ravine]

Oh that stuff ended ages ago

[red phoenix]

I am well out of the loop lol

[cyan ravine]

These are new generation cards

All good

If you asked me which I'd prefer

I'd say XTX

User experience has been great for the new amd cards and it's got the 4090 horses for almost half the price

Just a huge value grab in retrospective

[potent portal]

XTX is a better value, especially if you don't plan on gaming at 4k 144Hz

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

Or go deeper and go 6950xt

Even better value for another performance cut

All 3 do 1440p really well

XTX and 4090 are 4K worthy

[red phoenix]

I’m not too far into it yet

This is my first PC since all my gaming I’ve ever done was on a console

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

Maybe we should do a more value focused build? Just cos it's a big investment for a first pc

You might not end up liking pc gaming lolol

[red phoenix]

I might

But significantly low chance : / (that I don’t like it)

[cyan ravine]

Hmm

Let's have a look anyway

[red phoenix]

Kk 👍

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QNVNGP

Almost half the budget but still does very good 1440p gaming

[red phoenix]

Wow that’s much cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you'd be looking at, maybe 40%-ish slower than the 4090 build

But still very competent

20%-ish less than the xtx build?

[red phoenix]

Oh yikes

[cyan ravine]

Give or take these are ballpark numbers

[cyan ravine]

In the scheme of things tho you'd still be able to play games at 120-240fps quite easily

[potent portal]

That beats what I have right now, and I'm gaming at 1440p max settings quite comfortably with no scaling required

[cyan ravine]

Sometimes way more, for stuff like call of duty

[red phoenix]

I was wanting to get into star citizen which from the looks of it is a pretty intensive game when it comes to specs

[potent portal]

I only ever turn on DLSS/FSR upscaling if I decide to turn on ray tracing, which is rarely since it barely affects visual quality but greatly affects frame rate.

[cyan ravine]

So like, it may be a somewhat significant downgrade but it's also way over what's considered plentiful or sufficient for a good gaming experience

Ah star citizen

I need to change the list

Ok brb

[red phoenix]

Kk

[cyan ravine]

I'm not sure on the all core loading of SC

Lemme make a second list

[potent portal]

SC uses 2 primary threads and does scale a little bit with more cores but the benefit drops off after 4 cores, so a 7800X3D would still be best

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok

I thought it loves multicore

[potent portal]

It loves multicore as much as any other DX12 game

So it likes 4 cores, loves 6 cores, and is indifferent about 8+ cores

[cyan ravine]

Yeah nah then we come back to this list then
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7VP4DZ

Best in the budget I think or pick the 6950XT for a bit more savings

The gpu is very overkill for SC tho

[red phoenix]

Thank you both so much I really really appreciate it

[cyan ravine]

All good man, it's bread and butter for us both around here lol

[red phoenix]

I think I’m gonna go with Option A, right in the sweet spot for me with affordability and capability

[potent portal]

Yep I'll usually hang around here while I play an AFK game, I like to multitask

[red phoenix]

I’ll send a pic when I get it built! Again many thanks

[potent portal]

We always love to see those, feel free to pop in whenever

[cyan ravine]

Yeah looking forward to it

[manic cloak]

@potent portal worth?

Or even this

[cyan ravine]

That yeston, whoa

If it's legit that's a baller buy

[potent portal]

I don't know why they would list it as "fair" condition when there's a major issue like lines on the screen, that's for parts/not working

[manic cloak]

Should I?

[potent portal]

If the seller seems legit and there's some kind of buyer protections, yeah that's a nice deal

[manic cloak]

What about this? You think it’ll be an easy fix?

Also ngl, idk why but I feel like the anime card resells for more than what he’s asking

Unless it he’s hiding something

[potent portal]

It depends on the cause of the lines but that's often bad memory

Maybe you'd get lucky and it was just their drivers but without a picture of the lines it's a hard call to make

[manic cloak]

And I got a feeling the memory can’t be bought

And isn’t easy to replace

Unless it’s basic melting saluter

[potent portal]

It can, how is your skill level at micro soldering under a microscope?

[manic cloak]

Omg how do you spell it

[manic cloak]

Step one, I need a microscope.

but if you think getting yarn in a little needle is impressive then ya maybe i could

Also it’s a gigabyte eagle model.. so obviously memory issue

[potent portal]

You'd usually salvage memory from another GPU with the same kind that is dead

Oh yeah wasn't that the model that didn't use thermal pads on the memory

[manic cloak]

From what i heard

But isn’t it possible to solder like amd memory to a nivida

Unless it’s both completely different

[potent portal]

The memory is always made by one of 3 vendors and not by AMD/Nvidia directly

[manic cloak]

Ah

[potent portal]

The only differences would be subtype of memory and size density

[manic cloak]

Sooo basically, I should pass on the 3070 then

[potent portal]

So you can't solder GDDR6X onto a GDDR6 board, and similarly you can't solder more memory on just because

It would be a very difficult diagnosis and repair

[manic cloak]

I’m able to message the guy but

It’s 2 am, somebody could buy it

And he can’t get drivers onto it so