Imma help you look but I'm eating rn lol
#building-and-recc-chat
obsidian wigeon
little osprey
obsidian wigeon
yep
little osprey
That’s like three paychecks at max for me and excellent condition
obsidian wigeon
those stuff
calm tinsel
This chat has been entertaining and helpful to me
obsidian wigeon
I could use it but I'd feel guilty, so Imma pass lol
little osprey
Just realized it has three times as much RAM as my iPhone 8
calm tinsel
You gave me a whole pc build for free
little osprey
6GB compared to 2GB
little osprey
You gave me a whole pc build for free
It’s fun putting lists together to be completely fair
I really wanna get better at it so I can help people
little osprey
Meh, you get to experiment in these situations
Old tech has some cool stuff to offer as well, the gimmick on FM2+ and AM3 is core unlocking
little osprey
Really?
obsidian wigeon
ye
But if you have the budget I wouldn't go this far back in time
Batt capacity isn't stellar
Older batt tech
So batt life isn't very good
little osprey
I’m gonna be completely fair
I think my brother still has his 2015 Samsung Galaxy somewhere
calm tinsel
I’m hoping this 14 lasts me 5 years
little osprey
Oh for sure
obsidian wigeon
If you don't break an iphone they last
calm tinsel
First phone I actually am keeping in the case and have the screen protector
little osprey
I still see people using iPhone SE’s
frigid night
My galaxy phones generally last me 4 years before I upgrade.
little osprey
First phone I actually am keeping in the case and have the screen protector
First thing I’m gonna do once I get a new phone
calm tinsel
Apple exchange policy is terrible, you can’t have any external damage
little osprey
Apple is Apple
obsidian wigeon
The second thing I want after my phone atm is a laptop
But I'd need minimum $200 to even get something remotely worth getting
little osprey
Their prices and policies are adsurb but products are decent
At least you know what you’re doing
I was real close to getting a 10400H and 1050 Ti for $600
potent portal
I feel bad you guys are so into the tech but don’t have the funds
If I could build every PC I wanted to there wouldn't be any left for anyone else 
little osprey
Because I didn’t feel confident at the time of Bildungsroman a PC
obsidian wigeon
lol
little osprey
If I could build every PC I wanted to there wouldn't be any left for anyone else...
The struggle is real LOL
little osprey
What it got?
obsidian wigeon
If I did, I would be looking at a nicer laptop by now
3600X+1660S
8 gigs of jedec ddr4 lol
paper summit
Fire
little osprey
Oooh
paper summit
Upgrade that ram and you're set haha
frigid night
3600X+1660S
I have a 1050 laptop 
little osprey
If I do get a laptop I wanna go AMD 6800U
paper summit
Tho it's got dying gpu fan
Thats for the next owner to deal with
obsidian wigeon
I have a 1050 laptop <:PepeLmao:551154616172150787>
gimme
potent portal
Tho it's got dying gpu fan
$5 fix
obsidian wigeon
Thats for the next owner to deal with
yes but
calm tinsel
What games ya’ll playing? Diablo 4 anyone?
paper summit
yeah
obsidian wigeon
He insists I keep it
paper summit
How old are u foxy if you dont mind me?
frigid night
It needs an ass because with the HDD it's slow af
Er.... Ssd*
little osprey
What games ya’ll playing? Diablo 4 anyone?
Haven’t tried it yet, I’ve been playing CoD a bit but they still suck at optimization
obsidian wigeon
Don't worry, I got an ssd here
An ssd that I had to spend hours convincing dad in getting
calm tinsel
Dads psh
little osprey
I need to go check where the HDD rack is on the G300A and if it’s worth my time mounting one
calm tinsel
Do it
potent portal
Pain of living with parents
obsidian wigeon
How old are u foxy if you dont mind me?
Am 19
little osprey
My parents booted my brother out as soon as he turned 18, same is gonna happen to me
obsidian wigeon
Yep
little osprey
obsidian wigeon
I also paid off his part of the money that helped me buy monitor
I don't get it lol
Mining is dead
Imma sell it as soon as I move to live with mom
potent portal
My parents booted my brother out as soon as he turned 18, same is gonna happen t...
And that kind of thing worked for your parents, but what that means for you is sketchy craigslist roommates because rent is so high
little osprey
Yeah LMAO
little osprey
That’s how my brother got pinned with a $1,800 electric bill
calm tinsel
@obsidian wigeon what disability if you don’t mind?
little osprey
He lived at this place with like eight other people and the entire place was covered in trash
obsidian wigeon
I broke my knee, and the disability I already had rendered me unable to walk
so yeeeeah
little osprey
Jesus, sorry to hear that
calm tinsel
How’d you manage that?
calm tinsel
That’ll do it
little osprey
To be fair my grandparents really got mad at me because I used to wander around the farm a lot bare foot
obsidian wigeon
It's why I really want to start trying to flip pcs
little osprey
They kept warning me of rusty nails or something
little osprey
It's why I really want to start trying to flip pcs
You said spare parts are cheap there right?
little osprey
Wouldn’t that make it easier than it would be in the U.S.?
obsidian wigeon
Yes
calm tinsel
Where you from?
obsidian wigeon
Thailand
little osprey
I’m still baffled by the fact that there’s more tractors out here in Iowa than there are hardware stores
little osprey
Where you from?
Iowa
obsidian wigeon
tbf I would sell my current laptop if it means someone say, from far away from me is willing to gimme one
then i pay shipping+taxes
it's still worth at least $150
potent portal
I’m still baffled by the fact that there’s more tractors out here in Iowa than t...
Because you're not allowed to repair your own tractor any more, you have to pay John Deere to send a tech out or your warranty is void, and they know if you fix it yourself.
calm tinsel
I’m lost
obsidian wigeon
lol
rgb tractor
Okay what
S20 non FE is also same price as the FE on amazon?
Excellent condition refurbs
little osprey
Because you're not allowed to repair your own tractor any more, you have to pay ...
I’m pretty sure they won the lawsuit against John Deere for the right to repair
Is this really “high end” for a laptop?
potent portal
That'll take time to take effect and it's currently in appeals court
earnest olive
Is this really “high end” for a laptop?
no
obsidian wigeon
ssd a bit meh but
earnest olive
it's a solid laptop and a good deal, but it's not "high end"
obsidian wigeon
that's a solid deal, just not high end
earnest olive
however, and i'll admit to doing this myself as a seller, it's very common to overhype what you're selling
people feel better when they think they're buying something premium for a good price
like i call PCs with 1070s midrange
obsidian wigeon
it's a valid tactic
earnest olive
i obviously don't lie about the actual performance (i post game benchmarks of my flips), but calling it midrange is just a psychological thing
obsidian wigeon
gotta sell it man
calm tinsel
It’s why 19.99 is so much more enticing than 20$
obsidian wigeon
be honest but finesse your way around it
calm tinsel
Savings
obsidian wigeon
make people feel good about the "truth"
earnest olive
people don't like to feel like they are buying something low-end/entry-level
little osprey
That'll take time to take effect and it's currently in appeals court
Yeah, it’s just a pain when you gonna wait for some guy come over from John Deere to fix something so damn simple
earnest olive
that laptop would be firmly midrange, but heck i would call it high end too if i was selling it
calm tinsel
More adjectives, more value
earnest olive
some people definitely take it too far though
like i call a 1070 midrange, some people are willing to call that high end
in reality it's not even midrange anymore
paper summit
lol
obsidian wigeon
Sometimes I wonder whether buying myself another phone was worth it or not
Cuz I could also held out and saved up for a laptop kek
paper summit
It can still hold its own at 1080p
obsidian wigeon
For me 1070 would be a godsend
calm tinsel
How does my 3060 rtx compare to what youre talking about
earnest olive
It can still hold its own at 1080p
yeah, which is what i think is the minimum definition of "entry level"
obsidian wigeon
3060 is like a 2070
earnest olive
play modern games at 1080p60 with lowered settings
little osprey
How does my 3060 rtx compare to what youre talking about
Beats the 1070 by a mile
earnest olive
How does my 3060 rtx compare to what youre talking about
depends on what you're doing, but in general, something like +50% raster vs. raster
earnest olive
3060 pulls way ahead if you are using dlss/rt (though i'm not sure how many 3060 users are actually using rt)
calm tinsel
Check it out high end
earnest olive
look at the date on that article
lol at "high price of $599 is tough to stomach for even the most dedicated gamers."
obsidian wigeon
When $600 was high
earnest olive
now the xx80 gpu is double that
obsidian wigeon
How times changed
paper summit
play modern games at 1080p60 with lowered settings
I was able to do more in most games
ehh
1070ti tho
so
earnest olive
well, the game i bench the 1070 against does 64 fps at 1080p medium
obsidian wigeon
You had to spend less on pc to have high end baller tier stuff
earnest olive
and that game is already not that new anymore
there are certainly games where the 1070 won't deliver 1080p60 at low settings... but you do have to wonder if those games are even worth your time
you know which games i'm talking about lol
paper summit
I was playing warzone today getting 80fps at 1440p (fsr balanced) with highish settings
thats warzone tho
calm tinsel
I just ordered a 1440 monitor. I wonder if I’ll notice the difference from the 1080 I have
paper summit
U will
paper summit
I was playing warzone today getting 80fps at 1440p (fsr balanced) with highish s...
Fsr helps alot
earnest olive
you certainly will, but i'm not sure if that was a good decision with a 3060
calm tinsel
Uh oh
earnest olive
i guess it depends on what games you play/how much you care about high refresh
3060 is a good card for 1440p 60 fps, but if you care about high refresh it would have been better to stick to 1080p
unless you only care about high refresh in e-sports in which case the 3060 is overkill
1440p 60 fps in story driven games for visual fidelity + 1440p 144+ fps in e-sports on the same monitor is a very valid use case
potent portal
Or.. just use upscaling
calm tinsel
I notice some frame lag already, maybe it wasn’t the best idea
I play diablo, league of legends
potent portal
You'll be using DLSS in D4 for sure
calm tinsel
I have it set to that but idk what it’s doing
potent portal
It renders at a lower resolution and uses AI to upscale to your monitor resolution
earnest olive
3060 seems to handle D4 very well at 1440p with DLSS
potent portal
Takes a lot of load off the GPU
earnest olive
100+ fps
earnest olive
Or.. just use upscaling
well, even with dlss there are some games where the 3060 is only suitable for 1440p60
calm tinsel
Interesting and also confusing
earnest olive
and of course dlss isn't always available
isn't the case for him though, so moot point
calm tinsel
I’ll let you know the difference I notice when it arrives
earnest olive
Interesting and also confusing
if it confuses you, there's not really much you need to actually do about it besides just turn the setting on
you're the guy with the prebuilt with 8gb ram right? any lag you're noticing is probably from that
calm tinsel
That’s pretty much my motto for life
earnest olive
if you haven't upgraded that yet
potent portal
Turn settings on/off, fps goes up. That's what really matters.
earnest olive
if you're still using your 1080p monitor the 3060 should be capable of delivering 130-200 fps
calm tinsel
In league I get 240 fps a lot of the time
earnest olive
i'd hope so
i got 150 fps in league with a $10 r5 240
this pathetic little thing
calm tinsel
Any other Diablo settings I should be aware of?
earnest olive
pulled from a 10 year old dell, and was designed to be terrible 10 years ago
my gpu is much weaker than yours but i can get 4 digit fps in league
and the gpu is totally idle even at 1440p 1350 fps
calm tinsel
Why does everyone here have old rigs?
earnest olive
it's just a 1660ti
the rest of my rig is not old
i just sold my 3090 cause i did not have time to game on it
tossed in a $100 1660ti as the minimum card that could still run my social games
calm tinsel
I see
earnest olive
the rest of my rig is why i can get 1350 fps in league lol
not that it matters on my 165hz monitor...
i just cap it at 165
potent portal
Mine isn't old either, just last gen
earnest olive
once your fps exceeds 300 fps the game becomes literally unplayable
flint sapphire
What’s the cap on gta again?
earnest olive
your character just starts bouncing around, feels exactly the same as having 1000ms ping
flint sapphire
Like 180?
earnest olive
yeah
the "cap" in gta is different from the "cap" in league though
in gta the hardware kinda just stops scaling around 180 fps
in league the hardware keeps scaling but the game becomes unplayable
flint sapphire
And starts having crazy frame times and stutters
earnest olive
like despite the "cap" being 300 fps i can still go all the way up to 1350
in league it's not even a frametime/stuttering issue
the game looks perfectly smooth
it's the actual game logic that gets completely destroyed
flint sapphire
Starting to get fallout 76 vibes 
earnest olive
fun fact: the lead dev for the engine that league runs on is also the guy responsible for "big rigs: over the road racing"
potent portal
Run skyrim at 120 fps and watch the physics hilarity, right before a flying potato kills you
earnest olive
when you have that context it starts to make sense why league is such a buggy mess
earnest olive
and if you don't know what "big rigs: over the road racing" is, you should go search for it on youtube immediately
it is worth your time
obsidian wigeon
Worst game in the world
earnest olive
Run skyrim at 120 fps and watch the physics hilarity, right before a flying pota...
the thing is, it makes sense because skyrim was designed for consoles with fixed frametime where devs can tie physics to frametimes to make things easier
league was designed to be a PC game and has never been available on anything besides PC
potent portal
Specifically, designed for Xbox 360. Because the PS3 was a 💩-show
earnest olive
another fun fact about league: for a time, there was an occasional bug where the game would just set your resolution to 768p
obsidian wigeon
PS3 is powerful but the architecture is hard to make games for
Like TLOU on PS3 looks legitimately good
earnest olive
the culprit? a single line of legacy code from 2007 (beta) that would trigger under very rare conditions
this code would check if your hardware was "high end", and set a "high end" resolution of 768p if so
potent portal
Exactly. The weird "8 core" processor, where 1 core had to be dedicated to the OS so it's really 7, and they run asynchronously... Devs hated it.
earnest olive
by the time this was happening, almost any hardware was high end by 2007 standards
flint sapphire
Oblivion and Skyrim both ran on the Xbox 360 
earnest olive
lol, i'm currently studying CPU scheduling and multithreaded programming, and the cell processor sounds vomit-inducing to work with
potent portal
Exactly. The weird "8 core" processor, where 1 core had to be dedicated to the O...
And of course they had to make their own architecture on top of that, what's x86?
earnest olive
i learned recently that the PS3 was not even supposed to have a GPU
sony wanted the cell to handle everything
the nvidia GPU was added purely because of developer complaints
potent portal
That's why PS3 emulation has only been playable starting recently, it's so hard to emulate even Sony could barely do it for the streaming service.
earnest olive
oh yeah, we were learning about TSX in lecture and i was thinking about PS3 emulation during that lol
potent portal
We needed machines capable of way, way more power to successfully emulate that stupid PS3
earnest olive
all i knew about TSX before that was that it apparently helped a lot with PS3 emulation to the point where diehard PS3 emulation fans just stuck with a 4790K because it was straight up better than a 9900K
unfortunately the professor did not explain how TSX helps with PS3 emulation lol
i was not able to figure it out from the lecture materials
potent portal
You know what's funny? AMD is the top of the charts for PS3 emulation now with the 7950X. It's always been Intel that owned every chart for every system.
earnest olive
he was far more concerned with the actual intended use case of TSX... how boring
is it because of AVX512?
potent portal
Yep
earnest olive
fair enough
potent portal
earnest olive
are there any comparisons to an AVX512 enabled 12900K?
potent portal
Good guess lol
earnest olive
all i knew about TSX before that was that it apparently helped a lot with PS3 em...
seems like this was not accurate information then
interesting
well, you learn something new every day
obsidian wigeon
I don't know much about emulators but
potent portal
12900K and 12700K still beat 7950X when tuned and avx512 enabled
Looks like they hadn't tested the 7950X tuned at the time of the article
obsidian wigeon
Is AVX 2 used in emulators to boost performance too?
earnest olive
interesting that the X3D is detrimental
potent portal
Yeah emulators don't give a F about cache
earnest olive
well, TSX is certainly doing something at least
earnest olive
Is AVX 2 used in emulators to boost performance too?
pretty sure yes, look at how haswell is the minimum gen represented
earnest olive
seems tuned doesn't include ram tuning, wonder if ram tuning matters for this at all
potent portal
PS2 is easy by comparison since it's x86 based
obsidian wigeon
Pretty easy
potent portal
PS4 is easier than PS3 even lol
obsidian wigeon
4710HQ at 2.5ghz can do it okay lmao
earnest olive
seeing a 9900K beat a 12400, 10900K, 5950X, and 5800X3D is quite amusing
i wasn't even aware that it was possible to re-enable TSX on anything newer than haswell
earnest olive
i did get to learn about why TSX was axed though
potent portal
Dang it looks like most of the information that's up to date is dead now thanks to reddit killing r/rpcs3
Here's the updated spreadsheet but most of the 13th gen and zen4 stuff was moved to another page https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rpq_2D4Rf3g6O-x2R1fwTSKWvJH7X63kExsVxHnT2Mc/edit#gid=0
cunning kayak
where can i get 2070 for a good price?
how much could i get for a 1650 that's been used for 2 years.
obsidian wigeon
I'd only get curved if it's cheaper than normal monitor
fossil cedar
What's the local price for you compared to other monitors tho?
bold stone
Wait bruh
This one is so cheap
ITS DOLLARS
170 JD
4 other sites sell the same price in JD
Samsung sells in dollars
fossil cedar
That's a nice one ye
bold stone
Samsung is good right
Like the site+price+screen itself
It's va tho
@fossil cedar wait I think its not in samsung jordan
bold stone
Model>brand
Wdym
fossil cedar
Model of the product matters not the brand
bold stone
Model of the product matters not the brand
Well,what are good screens I should look for
Samsung jordan doesn't have anything good yk
Might buy the 170 jd one then?...
This
fossil cedar
Probably just best to send a link from the sites where your options are and ideally how much you'd like to spend but that is a good monitor there just might be better ones
bold stone
@fossil cedar found the monitor
For 159 jd
So that's qhat I'll get
Also how is r5 5500 in gaming?
Is it good
bold stone
Perfect match for 1660S
Can it run games 165-144?
fossil cedar
That will do fine ye
Uh razer viper mini/essential are usually pretty good for cheap, there might be other options just depends what's available with the pricing in Jordan
little osprey
first ever self-built computer, have the last part coming in today
actually very happy i can conclude this experience even though it has been fun
special to me because i've been wanting to do this for years actually lol
take my other special creation, the curtle
bold stone
@fossil cedar
An old headset and a WiFi usb
Both seem fine right
Also ignore the small hand thats my brother
fossil cedar
Surr
bold stone
Surr
I'm really annoying you with many questions I'm very sorry
But the headset should work with a pc right?
If yes then more budget for the m&k
obsidian wigeon
Yes
fossil cedar
Don't see why it wouldn't work unless it's broke
bold stone
Don't see why it wouldn't work unless it's broke
The circle thing is broke
obsidian wigeon
They're good though
bold stone
The USB looking thing isn't broke
obsidian wigeon
The mice pato recommended
bold stone
The mice pato recommended
I mean,I was planning to get k552 for 35 jd so it's kinda out of budget unfortunately
fossil cedar
Well I'm not sure there might be cheaper ones that are good I'd just need to see the options
bold stone
Unless thrtr are better ks
bold stone
Well I'm not sure there might be cheaper ones that are good I'd just need to see...
Want the sites I am going to buy from?
obsidian wigeon
You could get something like a cheap membrane keyboard to get by
fossil cedar
That'd be more helpful
obsidian wigeon
From reputable brands that is
fossil cedar
Can you link them?
fossil cedar
Just easier idk if they're .com .net .jd etc
bold stone
From reputable brands that is
Yeah ofc
bold stone
Nope
Ihh
50
Jd
I was planning on begging my parents but the headphones work so no need
Cuase the cheapest headphones are like 20JD
obsidian wigeon
Looking at one of the sites, there's a fantech mouse
bold stone
That's good?
fossil cedar
@bold stone could probably do hyperx pulsefire core + reddragon keeb on the city center site
obsidian wigeon
^
mossy venture
K55 might be there for a decent price
I was not a fan when I used it but it's okay for how cheap it is
obsidian wigeon
If you're really desperate
There's dell membrane keebs
Seriously tho, they're so cheap
fossil cedar
There's a few redragon offerings depends which form factor they prefer i guess
bold stone
<@934812560904048652> could probably do hyperx pulsefire core + reddragon keeb o...
K589 good?
fossil cedar
Yeah personally I'd get the cheapest logitech keeb and the razer viper mini or essential or the hyperx pulsefire haste
bold stone
K55 might be there for a decent price
K552 is 35 jd
fossil cedar
Idk and honestly keyboards are mainly pretence
bold stone
From another site
obsidian wigeon
Redragon then
bold stone
Redragon then
The 552 or 589?
obsidian wigeon
Any tbh
fossil cedar
You'll have to do some research to see what you like
bold stone
They both seem to be the same but 589 slightly bigger
mossy venture
From my experience with the k552, the keys felt loose almost
Like very clacky but not as in noise
I didn't enjoy it but I've heard a lot of good experiences with it from people on a budget (I was on a budget too but I ended up going back to a dell keyboard till I got a new one)
obsidian wigeon
Not really
Also honestly, a dell membrane keyboard doesn't sound bad
Focus on the mouse, keyboard could just be something usable
bold stone
Focus on the mouse, keyboard could just be something usable
Isn't it the other way around
obsidian wigeon
No
A bad mouse will give you a bad time
Worse time than using a membrane keyboard
Ultra cheap mice has crap sensors that spazzes out during quick movements
And does more nasty stuff
obsidian wigeon
yes
bold stone
So 55 jd for an m and k
obsidian wigeon
Can't you do something like cheap dell keyboards?
bold stone
Can't you do something like cheap dell keyboards?
There are no dell keyboard there
obsidian wigeon
Lemme look then
Get this I suppose
Just keep mouse as spare
Good to have for just in case, you could just use the keyboard itself
bold stone
Hmm maybe
obsidian wigeon
I have experience with the mouse of this combo
It's fine
Nothing stellar but works
bold stone
I mean
I've never touched a k and m
Bipefully it's not hard to get used to it
Hopefully*
mossy venture
Who feels like building a 500dollar pc list
Sure one sec
mossy venture
Best I could do https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCZ3Kp
Can swap 6600 for a used gpu
The ssd may or may not be in stock
obsidian wigeon
looks fine but what was the one that pato told you to get?
if it's not this one, then get the one he actually recommended
bold stone
I Don't remember talking abt a monitor
bold stone
Better than odyssey?
obsidian wigeon
many curved monitors are usually va
ye
non curved is commonly ips
which is superior to a va panel
paper summit
Shhhh I'll keep coping with my va
obsidian wigeon
Like I said, the tuf would be the best
Curved screens are only really more immersive when they're the ultrawide ones
bold stone
None of them are curved
obsidian wigeon
The msi is at least
And I see a curve on the g3
Nevermind on the g3 being curved, but ips is still better
bold stone
IM DONE
@obsidian wigeon
ITS OUT OF STOCK NOW
THE PC
IM SO DONE
2 DAYS AND ITS OUT
bold stone
@obsidian wigeon what's a good mobo
For ryzen 5 5500 1660 super
With WiFi preferably
I'll try to build smth
I'm depressed now
So far gpu cpu ram is 377 jd
obsidian wigeon
btw the cooler doesn't come included with 5500
obsidian wigeon
you can use guides online
as for board
go for asus prime a520m
deepcool ag300 for cooler
two of cheapest ddr4 from hyperx
3200mhz 8gb, get two of them
gpu is the cheapest 1660 super
cooler master cmp 320 for case
bold stone
Cpu?
obsidian wigeon
and that's not even with storage
obsidian wigeon
well you will have to downgrade gpu
bold stone
To what?
dusky hearth
save a bit
obsidian wigeon
or get used gpus
dusky hearth
$500 is not much money ngl
dusky hearth
still not much, $700 usd isn't too much... though much better than $500 us i guess lmao
obsidian wigeon
there is rx 580
im checking other sites too
ngl an rx 580 is still ok
oh oos
heck
@bold stone okay so, what is the budget for the pc, monitor, mouse and keyboard?
because instead you can probably get a laptop
modest kiln
Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was hoping you lot would be able to help me appropriately value my setup for selling. Can include a full list. Feel free to @ me or DM. Thanks in advance
obsidian wigeon
500+50+159
That's 709 I think
Cuz there's this laptop for 616 jod
Just buy a mouse and you can game lol
bold stone
<@934812560904048652> okay so, what is the budget for the pc, monitor, mouse and...
700JD
obsidian wigeon
Okay that allows for a decent laptop with a nice mouse
On a laptop you get everything except a mouse so, well trackpad is one but it's clunky for games anyway
Don't worry about no os, you can install windows
Just needs a usb drive of at least 8gb
And another pc or laptop to make install media
Or this, but it's 699
RTX 3060 though
Way faster than any pc you could dream of getting for 700 since you don't have a monitor
Very worth it, if you can live with no mouse for a bit
This is cheapest with 3050
Will need 8gb of extra ram to be bought and installed
@bold stone
You have 3 choices
obsidian wigeon
Honestly? Not a bad idea
But you need to buy games
On a pc well you still need to buy em, but there's always third party key stores to help you
And a console is a console, could only do so many things
A laptop or pc lets you do anything
Up to you really, console or laptop
I'll have to sleep now, so you have time to think
obsidian wigeon
That makes ps5 sweet
In the end it's on you to choose
Me and others have been only merely giving you best suggestions
modest kiln
@obsidian wigeon think you could help me lol
obsidian wigeon
What you need help with?
modest kiln
Mind if I DM?
obsidian wigeon
Alright fine, do it
bold stone
Wait right
obsidian wigeon
Ram probably single channel too so you're missing out on perf
Let's just say pc is out of question
bold stone
That pc is bad so?
bold stone
My friends in the call are confusing me too
Qjdoxiwkd
I'm being so confused
THEY ARE HAVING A DEABTE
JWIDOXS
little osprey
anybody free for #cases-psu-and-cooling
bold stone
Lol
little osprey
List of my issues:
- PSU loops repeatedly.
- Motherboard speaker has no function.
- GPU fans spin but refuse to do anything else regarding video output.
obsidian wigeon
which cpu and board do you have
little osprey
Asus TUF B450M Plus
and uhh
Ryzen 5 3600
which is only somewhat compatible but whateber
obsidian wigeon
any debug leds on?
little osprey
no
little osprey
everything receives power but doesn't function is what I can see
obsidian wigeon
try reseating ram
little osprey
done so
obsidian wigeon
mmmmm
mossy venture
Could just be psu, but I'd check debug lights
little osprey
this PSU is new
obsidian wigeon
i'd try reseating cpu but look for debug light
little osprey
just arrived today
mossy venture
What psu?
little osprey
GX2 600W
mossy venture
Not exactly bad but on their lower end models Thermaltake doesn't have great qc from what I've heard, but there's definitely other steps to take first
You said no debug lights on?
Have you tried clearing cmos?
mossy venture
There's a lil silver battery in the motherboard
little osprey
reseat it?
mossy venture
Gotta pop it out and leave it out for 15min
little osprey
oh
mossy venture
Or if your mobo has a button to reset it, 15 seconds and you don't have to pop it out
But I forgot what it's called and what mobos have it
little osprey
I'll reseat the CPU just in case too
little osprey
yeah rip
obsidian wigeon
that's kinda painful
little osprey
I had an onboard speaker plugged in, nothing
mossy venture
What slots are the ram in
little osprey
I only have one 8gb put in the slot closest to the cooler
mossy venture
Try the second slot
little osprey
none
little osprey
yes
CMOS is out now
oh and I noticed
pcie slots for things that require a six or twelve pin device have issues
it just kinda flickers power in and out
little osprey
Or if your mobo has a button to reset it, 15 seconds and you don't have to pop i...
CMOS did nothing
the PSU seems to cycle every 30 seconds or so
and I can't even see what's going on because I don't have output from my GPUs
mossy venture
I'm sorry I'm at a loss
I'd wait for someone else and see if they have any other input
dusky hearth
sounds like something is shorting
double check all your connections
if you have a seperate io shield, make sure the prongs aren't sticking into the ports
little osprey
Nothing
All of the front IO works, all of the back IO works, every fan spins, but no post or anything
Just power cycles indefinitely.
I spend months and it didn't work.
dusky hearth
how long does it stay on for until it power cycles
dusky hearth
hmmm
dusky hearth
nah i'd doubt this would have to do with the cmos settings
dusky hearth
this is definitely some short of some kind, either on the mobo, or on the psu
little osprey
the psu is brand new so definitely mobo
but I don't have anything to test with
unfortunately
dusky hearth
brand new psus can be faulty
little osprey
my previous psu has the same case
dusky hearth
even from top tier brands, sometimes it happens
little osprey
I'll add that
stoic island
It is possible that it's still something during the booting process
dusky hearth
so you've tested with two psus?
little osprey
Correct, the first one is gone but the current one has the same exact issue
and the first one killed a gpu lmao
1060 6gb
i have my 1050 ti in
mossy venture
its possible it killed something else
stoic island
No debug LEDs?
dusky hearth
no post, so our goal should be to get it to post
try seeing if running it with one stick of ram, no storage, and anything else unnecessary disconnected (if you have an igpu, use that)
stoic island
Which HDD light is on, the one on front panel?
dusky hearth
alr tried one ram stick
w/o any drives connected as well?
dusky hearth
though considering that the first psu killed a gpu, it def isn't out of the question that the prev broke that mobo
or some other component
mossy venture
^
little osprey
no post, so our goal should be to get it to post
try seeing if running it with o...
No igpu, and all of those methods have done nothing really
mossy venture
I'd say cpu is likely safe, next most likely to die from psu would prob be mobo imo
little osprey
Over time I've tried several layouts, nothing changed.
I'd call since it would be easier but eh
dusky hearth
yeah anything directly connected to the psu are the most likely to die from a psu failure
little osprey
doubt y'all would be up
little osprey
yeah anything directly connected to the psu are the most likely to die from a ps...
Just the cpu and power headers
and led but thats fine
dusky hearth
can't screenshare or video in the voice channels here
outside of the special channel
mossy venture
The next step I can think of would be trying each individual component with a different pc
little osprey
i just need talking
mossy venture
aside from psu, since that ones new
mossy venture
im in vc
little osprey
no breadboard or anything
waiting for this rubbish intel pentium to work the agic
magic
wow okay vc is cursed
using my phone brb
do I just tap one of the clrcmos pins or bridge
dusky hearth
you bridge it for a few secs i blieve to clear cmos
little osprey
Could someone tell me as to where the HDD rack is located on a G300A?
dusky hearth
it's not a rack, it's just a mount point
it should have some silicone groments which you screw the hdd into
mossy venture
in the p360a it was at the front of the psu shroud
earnest olive
@little osprey are you 100% sure that the bios is updated for ryzen 3000?
mossy venture
they're not
earnest olive
b450 did not ship with ryzen 3000 support out of the box initially
mossy venture
but i figured it wouldn't even power cycle if it wasn't
earnest olive
you might have old stock with an old bios
unlikely, but possible
it definitely can
earnest olive
it has to recognize the CPU to start the boot process, no output from speaker could be explained by unsupported CPU
dusky hearth
hmm
pain without debug leds 
i mean, usually you would get a beep code if you don't have a cpu in the system
iirc, might be remembering wrong
earnest olive
no flashback either, pain
little osprey
<@456226577798135808> are you 100% sure that the bios is updated for ryzen 3000?
I cant check , doesn't post
little osprey
i mean, usually you would get a beep code if you don't have a cpu in the system
the speaker from the case does nothing for any scenario
little osprey
my uncle gave it to me with some info
earnest olive
i mean, usually you would get a beep code if you don't have a cpu in the system
no
no beep code is defined for missing cpu
little osprey
namely just a bug with how playback and audio worked
earnest olive
how is the system going to do anything with a missing cpu anyhow
earnest olive
my uncle gave it to me with some info
do you know when he bought it
little osprey
No
earnest olive
do you know what cpu he used with it
little osprey
no, only know the one he put in it before he shipped it
earnest olive
which was...?
mossy venture
so the bios version is fine
earnest olive
but do you know that he actually used the 3600 with it
maybe he used a 2600 and then dropped in a 3600 for you without updating bios
check if there is a sticker on the board that indicates the bios version it shipped with
some board manufacturers do that, not sure if asus does
only one I know for sure is asrock
earnest olive
you said it was an asus board earlier
little osprey
yeah I mixed it ip
earnest olive
so it's an asrock b450m pro4? then it should have the sticker
little osprey
namely the b450 part
earnest olive
search for it
little osprey
so it's an asrock b450m pro4? then it should have the sticker
on the board itself?
earnest olive
yes
it should be on the bios chip and say something like P4.00
exact number may vary
little osprey
P1.60
earnest olive
okay
the first version to support ryzen 3000 was P3.30
so it's very old stock
ask your uncle if he updated it or not
if he never updated it, then we know what the problem is
little osprey
is it possible to update if I don't even have a working processor then? assuming that it wasn't updated
earnest olive
P1.60 is from november 2018, P3.30 is from may 2019
it depends on the board; for this one, no
unless you have a ch341a programmer
you'll need to install an older CPU to do the update
dusky hearth
no beep code is defined for missing cpu
it would just be a cpu error code, i'll test to see if one of my spare pcs does it
earnest olive
so you should confirm with your uncle whether or not he updated it before you spend the effort and/or money to get an older cpu
earnest olive
older ryzen cpus still cost more than they probably should
the cheapest cpu you can put in that board is a ryzen 3 1200 which people still want $35 for... which is half of the value of the 3600
see if your uncle has something you can borrow
if it turns out that he didn't update it
hopefully he still has his old cpu that worked with it then
little osprey
wait but the computer would consider the cpu as not at all being in there, right?
which would just not let the computer turn on at all
which the computer does receive power
earnest olive
just ask your uncle if it's updated or not lol that's the simplest thing to do
don't overthink it
little osprey
waiting for a response lol
earnest olive
let's hope that's what it is, cause if not the alternative troubleshooting is much more annoying
dusky hearth
it would just be a cpu error code, i'll test to see if one of my spare pcs does ...
ok it doesn't beep, it just put the fans to full speed
side note, the thermal paste was so crusty and dry 💀 i had to use alcohol to get it off lmao it was literally stuck on
20 year old paste goes hard
obsidian wigeon
literally
stable knoll
the fans on my aio have bad bearings and im looking into getting temp fans to replace them while i wait for the warranty to ship. if i get cheap fans that are the same size, should they still fit on my radiator (deep cool ls720)
little osprey
the fans on my aio have bad bearings and im looking into getting temp fans to re...
I would just grab these TBH
Good fans for the price
frigid night
the fans on my aio have bad bearings and im looking into getting temp fans to re...
Argb or just plain ol fans?
2 options if just plain fans.. get the arctic that slovskii linked and save your rmaed fans for in the event the arctics take a crap on ya. OR you could buy these cheap ones with argb to hold you over until your rma gets back.
stable knoll
Argb or just plain ol fans?
they're argb. i'm gonna get plain ol fans but my deepcools gave out and i want a replacement while i wait for warranty cuz the sound is awful
frigid night
they're argb. i'm gonna get plain ol fans but my deepcools gave out and i want a...
Yeah for sure. The argb ones I linked are cheap, but they work good enough until you get a replacement.
weary galleon
if warranty processing/shipping is < 30 days you could get fans from amazon and return once the warrantied fans arrive
frigid night
if warranty processing/shipping is < 30 days you could get fans from amazon and ...
This as well.
stable knoll
Antec 120mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F12 Series 5 Packs, Compatible with Desktop https://a.co/d/6c2X8Qc
how are those
frigid night
But for $15, I'd just keep the fans I listed, in the event you need another fan
frigid night
Antec 120mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F12 Series ...
Antec sucks.
From experience.
stable knoll
gotcha
frigid night
Fans suck*
stable knoll
i just want 3 fans for a reasonable price and w prime
but regardless of the type, will any fan that's the same size fit my radiator?
frigid night
but regardless of the type, will any fan that's the same size fit my radiator?
Yep. I'd really get the ones I suggested.
tawdry plume
7900x, x670e steel legend, 6900xt,32gb 6000mhz, 7 fans, 360aio. Is 850w enough?
mossy venture
yeah but if you're just gaming I'd do a different list
tawdry plume
I already have all the stuff. I was just wondering if 850w was enough cause I'm getting hard reboots once in a while
tawdry plume
Corsair rx850
mossy venture
rmx im assuming?
tawdry plume
Ya
mossy venture
def shouldn't be having issues, I'd check connections/drivers/cpu temps
tawdry plume
Everything looks good I did do the CO to -20 preset but since went to only pbo enabled seems to be doing okay for now
tawdry plume
It just completely reboots
cyan ravine
Sounds like either CO was playing up or in a rare case the mobo psu state settings weren't in agreement
earnest olive
definitely just CO lol
that power supply is overkill for that build
and -20 all core is very aggressive
the fact that reverting the CO should say enough that it was just unstable CO
go to the pins in #overclocking and do it right if you want to overclock, otherwise just leave it as is
performance will be more than fine with untuned PBO
@tawdry plume
CO tuning is a lot of work to get right, i would say don't bother unless you are really interested in doing it for the sake of learning how to do it
cyan ravine
With that same psu and my vision am4 board I had to change the psu LLC to stop it from completely rebooting at stock
earnest olive
i mean, sure, i believe you
but reverting CO resolved it
so that pretty clearly states which one was the cause
cyan ravine
Mhm
earnest olive
it's incredibly rare for the CPPC "best" cores to be able to do -20
so -20 all core is generally just not realistic
unless you have an X3D chip lol
cyan ravine
I know, but just was stating it cos it's one of those possibilities
earnest olive
that was more meant for the other guy, i know you know this stuff
unique rapids
These Alphacool fans are interesting. If these are reliable and legit, Noctua might have to do some work.
earnest olive
my poor 5800x could only do -20 on 2 cores, sad
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
These Alphacool fans are interesting. If these are reliable and legit, Noctua mi...
Agree tbh
earnest olive
i still have my curve written down
cyan ravine
I saw those, I might buy a bunch
earnest olive
FMAX: +200
PPT: 160
TDC: 140
EDC: 140
Core 0: +5
Core 1: -18
Core 2: -23
Core 3: -13
Core 4: -23
Core 5: -15
Core 6: -18
Core 7: -16
cyan ravine
Reversible metal frame fans, they won't be cheap
earnest olive
the +5
i tried lowering FMAX but it didn't really help
+0 on core 0 was unstable with +25 FMAX
core 0 literally just had to run at stock lol
somehow they took a core that barely met the base spec and marked it as the best core in the system
core 7, my "second best" core, was stable at 5000mhz in maximum single core loads
core 4, my "worst" core, was stable at 4850mhz in the same load
core 0, my "best" core, was only stable at 4675mhz in the same load
really great job CPPC
cyan ravine
I can barely remember but I think my best cores were core 1 and 3
1 did like, 5140 effective
earnest olive
usually "best" cores need lower offsets because they clock higher, but in this case... my "best" core actually just sucked
absolute dogwater core lol
earnest olive
the real nasty thing is, i believe the CPU scheduler will prioritize the "best" core for single core workloads
so my actual worst core was the one being favored
cyan ravine
Sounds like a cppc issue lol
earnest olive
oh yes absolutely
earnest olive
It could run the most voltage
yeah this is the common case
mine was the opposite case
cyan ravine
Interesting
earnest olive
usually the "best" core needs the lowest offset because it clocks the highest
my "best" core needed a positive offset and still clocked the lowest by far
you can imagine how much time i wasted in CO tuning because i couldn't imagine needing a +5 offset
lmao
like surely it had to have been one of the other cores
tough shell
Pc is up and running again! Only took like 7 or 8 hrs cause im st00pid. Now idling about 15°C cooler than before, without even having all my fans that have been ordered (currently 3/14). Thanks for your help! @potent portal @frigid night (cpu running at 29c and gpu at 38c)
Have 4 fans but one is being replaced with arctic pwm pst*
bold stone
How do i know if a site/store is trusted? I found a very good store but the reviews are abit mixed
obsidian wigeon
Look at their history and story if possible
potent portal
How do i know if a site/store is trusted? I found a very good store but the revi...
Put up a link and we can look into it too
runic cape
Hey guys, i'm creating a cart for components to build a new system and would like som advice. The current list can be found at https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/6jVzzf, the CPU cooler and video card will be moved from my old system.
I've currently got a full tower corsair case with great airflow, but i would prefer a smaller case as the space saved is more valuable than the multiple HDDs. But if you think it is better to save some money and stick with the current case, i'm happy to hear your argument.
fossil cedar
Hey guys, i'm creating a cart for components to build a new system and would lik...
I'd deff change a few things especially the cpu cooler and stuff, the pure rock 2 is super overpriced, you currently have the 4000d airflow or that's the case you'd like to get instead?
runic cape
I'd deff change a few things especially the cpu cooler and stuff, the pure rock ...
The cooler is in my current system, so there is no additional cost there and i would like to keep it unless there is a risk of overheating the CPU at low loads. The case that i currently have is not included in the build, that is the one i would like to have instead.
runic cape
The graphics card is also something i will get for free
fossil cedar
Yeah i figured
What's your current case and what's the point of the 1000w power supply? Are you planning on buying a 4090 or something?
runic cape
The case is similar tto this one https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-cases/cc-9011035-ww/obsidian-series-750d-full-tower-atx-case-cc-9011035-ww
I'm planning to build a future-proof (close to) system, therefore I went for the overkill 1000w power supply
fossil cedar
The case is similar tto this one https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-cases/cc-901...
Ah i see i understand the downgrade also newer cases have way better airflow so deff would get a different case, and there's really no reason to get 1000w psu especially since you can happily run a 4090 on an 850w psu
@runic cape I'd recommend doing this instead
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/L6HgRv
runic cape
Ah i see i understand the downgrade also newer cases have way better airflow so ...
Then i will for sure save some on a 850w psu, thank you! A new case will be added permanently to the list to compensate for the savings 😉
fossil cedar
You could get a more expensive motherboard if you wanted better expandability in terms of m.2 slots/usb/pcie but that one i put in is good enough for the 7800x3d
Actually since you have the budget I'd get a different board since the lack of usb on it one sec
Also @runic cape do you need the pc to have wifi?
runic cape
Wifi is not needed, i've got a wifi card which takes up one pci x1 slot
fossil cedar
Wifi is not needed, i've got a wifi card which takes up one pci x1 slot
I'd do this then
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFVzzf
@runic cape Just be aware with the x3d chips there where some issues so update the bios immediately after building before you even bother with installing windows
runic cape
<@258900492715819008> Just be aware with the x3d chips there where some issues s...
I saw that, and I guess that it is not that hard to update bios these days.
runic cape
I'd do this then
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFVzzf
I haven't heard of Solidigm before, is it better to go for that one?
fossil cedar
I saw that, and I guess that it is not that hard to update bios these days.
Nope pretty easy, you can even do it with the bios flashback button beside the usb ports and not even need the cpu in the socket just the board connected to power
fossil cedar
I haven't heard of Solidigm before, is it better to go for that one?
They're good, they're old intel/sold to hynix, p41 plus is one of the best drives for regular users to buy these days because it's cheap and has really good random performance which is what most use most of the time
potent portal
What little information I can find on the site looks ok to me
bold stone
What little information I can find on the site looks ok to me
They got a Facebook account
But the reviews are so mixed
tough shell
Had never seen Jordinian $ before, didn't realize they have one of the strongest dollars in the world
1 JOD = 1.88 CAD
bold stone
Had never seen Jordinian $ before, didn't realize they have one of the strongest...
It's surprising
Most of us are broke AF
bold stone
528JD
1660 super
Ryzen 5 5500
Mobo A520M
Kingstone 16GB
HHD 1TB
Case:cooler master cmp 320 argb mini tower 2x120mm cf120 argb fan
Psu:deepcool pf650D 650 W 80 plus
Is this good yall
It's using this site and another site combined
potent portal
Ryzen 5500
H610M
Not sure how they put an AMD CPU on an Intel board
bold stone
Ryzen 5500
H610M
<:pepehmmm:903335097305034783>
Not sure how they put an AMD CP...
Fick my friend