building-and-recc-chat

[austere condor]

just buy one online

[paper summit]

Okk send them when you do

[austere condor]

theres some things you can get a good deal on from microcenter, but yeah, some of their stuff is terrible

[obsidian wolf]

hehehe what u mean

[austere condor]

paying $1000 for a 4070ti is awful

[obsidian wolf]

I wouldn't pay 1000 for nothing that is not an xtx

And not even that can be found at it's actual msrp

"inflation"

lol

I don't mind

[flint sapphire]

Even my pc got posted

[obsidian wolf]

I'll go and say my new rigg running beautifully lmao

[flint sapphire]

[obsidian wolf]

Oh no elitism about to arrive once again

[flint sapphire]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bf7tGL @dusty cedar

For you

[obsidian wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hodl-hold-the-line-proton-proton-xpr-gif-21569958

[flint sapphire]

👀

[obsidian wolf]

a long sentence my man a really long one

also no ofense or anything

but how can people like this

[flint sapphire]

unify???? That board is sexy

[obsidian wolf]

:V

:VVV

[flint sapphire]

Frank is out here swinging at me

[obsidian wolf]

This case just sents my brain outside of my head men

[flint sapphire]

Literally 2 meshify owners active in chat

[cyan ravine]

Still thinking, probably

[obsidian wolf]

It's like I want to like it but like nooooooooooo

I can not

Like the north is so gorgeous but what is this

[cyan ravine]

Edge or i unify both are good really

Kekw

[obsidian wolf]

And meshify is also on deal

at micro

lmao

I was like meh let's see should I add it

to the build but them I saw it again

[flint sapphire]

Meshify c is a top tier case

[obsidian wolf]

and said im out

meh

I didn't know the other nzxt was so bad

[cyan ravine]

North it pretty

A vision 4080 in that, chefskiss

[obsidian wolf]

The north makes me feel like I am getting a high end case

[flint sapphire]

The card compatibility is a bit meh but ya know sacrifices will be made

[obsidian wolf]

If I get it

[flint sapphire]

I want a north so badly but it’s oos all the time

[obsidian wolf]

Actually you know what 160$ at Walmart doesn't seem so bad

:V

[cyan ravine]

North is so well received Corse hair took the idea and started making wood panels

[obsidian wolf]

Imma regret this 1 month down the line

[obsidian wolf]

yeh

I saw that

lmao

oh i didn't see that part

[cyan ravine]

Hey I'm not wrong

[obsidian wolf]

Corsehair

actual brand name

imma go and make it

lmao

[austere condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XyX4bK
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006230/amd-ryzen-9-7900x,-asus-b650e-f-rog-strix-gaming-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-combo

@obsidian wolf

[obsidian wolf]

New brand of shampoos completely not exotic: coarsehair

[cyan ravine]

Do a three sails logo but make it out of hair

[obsidian wolf]

doesn't ddr5 has issues

with

[dusty cedar]

sorry for working my whole entire a** off to be able to afford something nice in my and wanting something. so if that makes me "insufferable" then so be it. I dont see anyone tellin you how to spend your money. it's my money and what i do with it is my business. and yall did nothing but prove my point in this whole chat since then.

[flint sapphire]

Had to sacrifice a fan for my 3080ti

[obsidian wolf]

the 7000 series?

[austere condor]

? you cant run anything other than DDR5

its DDR5 only

[obsidian wolf]

:v

[cyan ravine]

You can run basically anything at 6000

[obsidian wolf]

First off too much text

[cyan ravine]

But yes anything higher evaporates quick

[dusty cedar]

"to much text" says the man thats wrote a whole novel in the last 40 minutes

[obsidian wolf]

We been having a conv unlike u

"Elitissm"

ElITtISssmmmss

[dusty cedar]

oh you think i havent? glad youre sitting next to me. what are you like 14?

[obsidian wolf]

Lmao

[flint sapphire]

Onyx it’s alright we are just mocking your spending decisions. It happens a lot in public tech forums

[obsidian wolf]

Age calling now how rude for someone who works their ass off for their money that totally feels like to spent in an i9

let's go guys we are at the peak of this era!

[flint sapphire]

Do what ever you think is good 👍

[dusty cedar]

excpet that this isnt just a public tech forum. its a link given by a company for help.

[cyan ravine]

Deshroud and fan mod gpu to reclaim fan

[dusty cedar]

and all yall wanna do is sit there and talk s*** all day

[cyan ravine]

Hey, don't blanket that, I spent hours yesterday man

[flint sapphire]

It’s actually just a public discord server that a company uses for free advice

[dusty cedar]

so yeah, imma say something here and to the company durin business hours tomorrow

[obsidian wolf]

Thx Imma keep this save as well

[flint sapphire]

We are just tryna save you a buck

[cyan ravine]

None of us work for them

[dusty cedar]

what part of it isnt about moeny werent you getting? i wanted to build something and eevrything i came up with was never considered good enough or fast enough

tf

[flint sapphire]

It wasn’t that it wasn’t good enough it’s just the parts were all over the place and didn’t make sense for what you were doing

[cyan ravine]

We are really just a bunch of randoms in a server that do our homework and take a value first mindset

[dusty cedar]

im not taking offense to it. im taking offence to how youre going about it

[obsidian wolf]

If it isn't about money

them do this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhKfzf

[flint sapphire]

That’s fair but ya know internet folks will be rude if given a reason

[dusty cedar]

i say "this is what i want to have in this color scheme" and you call me "insufferable" for wanting something

cool

[obsidian wolf]

add an i9 and make your life more beautifully

[cyan ravine]

Not too bad

Ngl

[obsidian wolf]

Is not mine is fal cle build

[cyan ravine]

4090 price is whack tho

There are 1600 4090's now

[obsidian wolf]

I keep all the build suggested because I do value the help people that doesn't get paid to help me gives me because they actually care and not because they are greedy

[flint sapphire]

good idea

[cyan ravine]

You save all our builds??

[obsidian wolf]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

God damn, we have a list

[obsidian wolf]

I like computers a little bit to much

[cyan ravine]

[obsidian wolf]

But sadly have always been stuck to having laptops due to the lack of space until now

I have fixed computers with my dad since the age of 6

But have never build a single one

[austere condor]

ok ok ok. CLEARLY there's some sort of miscommunication going on here.

@dusty cedar wants recommendations from the community on what parts to buy, and was told to come here.
onyx is using this as a gaming PC? and is wanting to not have to upgrade for quite a few years down the line, so they want to get something good right now.

the people here in the community that have been given "expert" roles for their experience and knowledge are saying to onyx that a core i9 is rather wasteful for a gaming focused PC build, as the performance different between that and the i5 is quite minimal for gaming performance, which is quite true.

so Onyx is upset that they are being told the work they have done by themselves finding parts is wrong, and is being told to change them.

thats whats going on? i got that right?

[obsidian wolf]

yeh yeh

you miss the elitist part though

They are elitist because they suggesting to save money

:V

But money isn't the problem

So merry goes on it's way and sail that high pack with all the hard work money!!!

[austere condor]

from what im looking at, the goal is to build a white PC?

[obsidian wolf]

white pc is a joke or an actual term

:V

[cyan ravine]

I never called it wrong, I sat down for hours and gave good reasons why not to pick things like the prime z790-a

[obsidian wolf]

I don't know

[cyan ravine]

I was quite clean about it and gave my reasons

Realistically you'll spend twice the price over a 13600K and end up with a cpu that will last one more year at most over the i5

GPU it's whatever, if you want faster it's fine

I was purely trying to keep to the 2k budget

[austere condor]

i just bought that graphics card myself for a customer build. seems quite nice IMO. but i would definitely agree that in terms of optimizing a PC for gaming performance, it generally makes more sense to invest most of your budget into the graphics card, which typically doesnt involve buying the highest end processor on the market.

[obsidian wolf]

hey felix "hard working money" is not the problem

:V

Hard working is the key in here which I don't get myself

If I hardwork my money I would personally go for what makes the most sense money wise to what I want to do

[austere condor]

i would make the jump to a 7900XTX or a RTX 4080, and cut some budget from the CPU, as a gaming PC doesnt and wil not need 24 cores

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[austere condor]

for the forseable future, we're going to expect modern gaming to be optimized for 8 core / 16 threads, as thats the core spec for consoles for this generation

[frigid night]

price/perf aside.. Even with just my 12600k, I feel like I will be able to game for years to come without having to upgrade.

[austere condor]

does that make sense to you? @dusty cedar

[obsidian wolf]

I think this relates even to laptops :V

And I know people here do hate laptops

[cyan ravine]

Anyway, I'm not digging my heels too deep in this, I spent a lot of time yesterday trying to help and I was very neutral about it with well spoken reasons for my suggestions, so I'm a bit sad I'm being blanketed into this

[obsidian wolf]

Like my own laptop can do what he's saying and doesn't even go above the 1000$ mark

[frigid night]

You can be my blanket ❤️

[flint sapphire]

I’m just a bad person who trolls a little

[obsidian wolf]

I remember first time I came here, it was 2 years ago in 2021 when I ask for a friend who was buying a pc, the guy who help was Mr1111 and I got the help needed and went on my merry way

[austere condor]

like, im willing to help, i work with customers for a living to configure custom order PCs of all types, and building them. I get paid to do this, but i also find it fun and i consider helping in channels like this as practice for me. but im not able to help you figure out what you want if you're not going to respond @dusty cedar

[obsidian wolf]

I think the conv bored him out or prob he was trolling who knows

maybe both

[cyan ravine]

Yeah it's really nothing like that

There's way too much info out there to sift through to find what's actually good and not a scam buy

That was my whole intention while helping

[obsidian wolf]

Me: Knows the basics
Comes here: Get's an actual talk about components and why each component makes more sense than what I want
Me with my friends: Get's roasted for the minimal mistake about one component.

[dusty cedar]

i was never talkin about you. we had a good convo last night

[cyan ravine]

I'm glad

[dusty cedar]

also, i dont think i ever had the motherboard you mentioned in my cart until this moring.

[flint sapphire]

Demonmit1 does a excellent job building professionally, I’d suggest just going with whatever he’s going to say

[cyan ravine]

Yeah demonmit is probably the most street smart of all of us here

He does it for a living

We do it for recreation

[dusty cedar]

i pmd him already

[cyan ravine]

Good, he may even be able to build the whole thing for you if you wanted, he has a huge reel of builds he does on a budget

Go search him in #build-pics

You'll find some great results

[obsidian wolf]

@austere condor Gorgeous sleeper

[flint sapphire]

did someone say sleeper

[obsidian wolf]

Yeh I did

[flint sapphire]

[austere condor]

lol, that build was from SO long ago

at that point it wasnt a sleeper

[obsidian wolf]

Gorgeous nonetheless

[austere condor]

@cyan ravine whats the reasoning behind not wanting to go with that Asus board with a 13900k?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fGrRsY/asus-prime-z790-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-z790-a-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2MLFf7/gigabyte-z790-aero-g-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aero-g

those are really the only two options without blowing the bank

[dusty cedar]

which was why i selected the one i did. all the other ones are going for 400+

[cyan ravine]

I was suggesting this with a 13700k
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mPt9TW/asrock-z790-pro-rs-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-pro-rs-wifi

Or steel legend d4

Cos I was originally working to the 2K budget with a monitor

[dusty cedar]

i had a 2k budget for the pc. i dindt care much about the cost of the monitor

but now i dont havea budget as long as i'm not spending 4+k on something from the store

yall made me feel bad enough to not give a d*mn about a budget so congrats. not you specifically but everyone else.

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3zPwsL

This was basically the last list I did

[austere condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ydbmsL

so this is where we're at, this would be no holding back on parts, but that is also pushing the price tag way up.

with the music production being multithreaded, and being interested in RTS and simulation games, i can see a justification for the 13900k.

the 13900k needs some serious cooling, and unfortunately theres no quality 420mm white AIOs, so we're using a good black one, and replacing the fans to be white.

beyond that, rest is to keep up with the white theme.

obviously we're quite high up in the budget, and if cuts need to be made, they can be pretty simple, dropping down the CPU/cooler/board/ram and GPU as needed

[cyan ravine]

P41 plus is cheaper and better than nv2

Nv2 has a history of chip swapping

[austere condor]

is it right now? neat. would switch to that then

[cyan ravine]

Ye

99.99 iirc

[austere condor]

$5 more

[cyan ravine]

Sadge

[austere condor]

NV2 is jsut for game storage, $5 more wouldnt hurt, but idk if its really necessary?

[cyan ravine]

Kinda here nor there really

A60 is 94

[flint sapphire]

My two cents is go for the p41 👀

[cyan ravine]

I would prolly still change board but that would really be it with that list

I just can't justify 300+ for anything that isn't oc lol

But aero is a creator board

It might have something else to it like the io, haven't looked into it with detail

I would trust the aero to be better than the prime unless there was a difference of thunderbolt

[austere condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3vRrFg
if the goal is to stay at or under 2 grand, i wouldnt be too against something like this. as long as the monitor you plan to purchase, you keep in mind that the build is a 3060ti

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I really like that list

Even a white 4070 ti at that point

It would be crisp

Then a hp x27q or another 144Hz+ 1440p good monitor

With good dci-p3

[flint sapphire]

Excellent price on that bad boy and it performs well vs competitors

[dusty cedar]

i dont mind going over some amount. im comfortable around 2500 so with the list yoyu gave me i'll need to compromise and make minor changes and get everything else later

[flint sapphire]

Maybe splurge on a m27q(insert variation here)

[austere condor]

but yeah, a 3060ti is fine as long as you're not trying to run 4k in the types of games you said you intend on playing, and the music production workload doesnt use GPU, it cares more about how many threads your CPU has, and how much ram you have

[dusty cedar]

i didnt think that was to unreasonable you know

[austere condor]

and the 64GB of ram is justifiable for sim gaming and the music production

many times have i seen cities skylines use more than 32GB of ram

lol

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I would've figured as much but I got pushed to 32gb lol

My first list had 64gb ddr4

[austere condor]

yeah, end up spending like an extra $80 for DDR5, but at this point, why not, newer gen, might as well

upgrading in 5 years DDR4 is gonna be dead anyways

[cyan ravine]

Also don't be afraid to buy from all the websites in that list @dusty cedar , you will save yourself literally hundreds

We are, as said before, very impartial and we seek the best value to avoid price gouging

[austere condor]

yeah, newegg pricing is ASS sometimes. better to pick and chose from each site that has the best pricing available

[cyan ravine]

Welcome to felix mart, $1000

[austere condor]

hey, only im allowed to get deals like that

you know the rules

[cyan ravine]

Alr, $700 and a hug

You talked me into it

[austere condor]

👀

[flint sapphire]

Did someone say package 👀

[austere condor]

which apex are you trying to pawn off? @cyan ravine

[cyan ravine]

Recyclable

I'm not lol

And z790

[austere condor]

last apex i bought was a Z590 and i got it for pennies, lol

[cyan ravine]

I might be pawning off ux's soon tho, if you don't mind the shipping

All that extra weight in the extra metal sinks, oml

[austere condor]

ux?

[cyan ravine]

690 ye

[flint sapphire]

Anyone have a fractal north to pawn off

[cyan ravine]

I have pawns

[austere condor]

no idea what a UX is

so

cool

[cyan ravine]

Chess set of 16

[austere condor]

ah ok

[cyan ravine]

It's amazing for hynix m

Like, set whatever and it'll run

[flint sapphire]

But it looks sexy

[cyan ravine]

But hynix A, oof

7200, 7400 hynix m is possible on these boards

[austere condor]

i bought a binned 11900k / Z590 Apex right after 12th gen launch for $500 shipped

so, if you got some 12900k's kicking around, and can match something around that offer

i might consider it

last 12900k i bought was $280

[cyan ravine]

I just sold and shipped my 12900kf

Kekw

Just the boards at this stage

[austere condor]

ah yeah. just a board isnt super worth much to me

[flint sapphire]

Shipping to the states would be kinda hellish

[cyan ravine]

[austere condor]

i do what i want

[flint sapphire]

[austere condor]

https://tenor.com/view/black-pants-bree-i-do-what-i-want-parks-and-rec-i-have-a-permit-gif-8794341

[cyan ravine]

Techies agreeing for once and we get told no no

[austere condor]

not a techie, therefore, opinion invalid. get T-posed on loser

https://tenor.com/view/dab-dabbing-kid-dab-kid-dabbing-cool-dab-gif-20792759

[cyan ravine]

[flint sapphire]

[austere condor]

#techie chat best chat.

least amount of hair pulling out required to read

[flint sapphire]

There’s a techie chat?!

[austere condor]

weak

abuse

https://tenor.com/view/doc-jerry-cua-this-is-gif-19178982

anyways, have a good night

😄

[cyan ravine]

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/paprikafume-slay-queen-yass-gif-23886483

[vague oracle]

Red Rommy is best Rommy

[empty pollen]

last time buddies xD since i feel my question went unnoticed... any thoughts on the g55a 1440p monitor? the g5 series from samsung?

[cyan ravine]

Decent

But iirc just, decent

[empty pollen]

thought as much

dunno how accurate rtings is, but they say that the response time is awful

everything else is just ok

if that turns out to be true, then there is little point to get a 165hz monitor if ends up with a lot of ghosting

[fossil cedar]

Rtings bae

[cyan ravine]

VA moment?

Idk what panel is in the G5

G7 G8 and G9 are good but never looked into G5

[paper summit]

Wonder what panel my aoc cq27g2 uses

All ik is its va

[empty pollen]

yeah va moment

but cant find a demo on youtube with the g55a to see the ghosting or black smear

altho the g55a claims to have 1 ms gtg

[shut rampart]

Can I buy this monitor for my pc 32" Odyssey G7 Gaming Monitor, gpu 6700xt

[paper summit]

Send the link

Next time

[shut rampart]

My pc or the monitor

[paper summit]

And why such an expensive monitor for that gpu?

[paper summit]

The monitor doesn't really matter now but for next time lol

[shut rampart]

Friend selling it so it’s cheap for now

[paper summit]

Mm I see how cheap

[shut rampart]

Selling it for $250

[cyan ravine]

Damn

Yes

Hell yes

That's one heck of a deal if it's in good shape

[shut rampart]

Well it’s kinda in a bad shape

[cyan ravine]

How bad

[shut rampart]

There some dead pixel etc

[cyan ravine]

Eh

Maybe a handful like, idk 5-10

I hope you don't mean like a chunk is missing

[shut rampart]

Naw just like 4-10

[cyan ravine]

Kinda alright

Maybe go check it out first lol

[shut rampart]

Yha I will lol

Is there a website where I can see the dead pixel

[cyan ravine]

Just test the colours on like a blank windows background

Blue red green black white

You'll see them in each of those 5 if there are any

[shut rampart]

Alright

[cyan ravine]

Can also hide the taskbar in taskbar settings

[empty pollen]

[lyric thistle]

You can put me in your taskbar if you want 😳

[paper summit]

😨

[turbid skiff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hbDRW4 Last check on this build before I start buying stuff. I am aiming for a budget to mid rang build under $1500 with every component being under $500.

[stoic island]

Take the extra fans off and just grab a G360a

G360a comes with 3 rgb fans at 100$

[mossy venture]

Seconded, and psu is overpriced

Can get an A tier 750 for $95-100, or 850 for $120-130

[stoic island]

I would also grab a UD90 2tb for 110$ for the drive, better drive, twice the capacity

[mossy venture]

Yeah, p41 plus, sn770, a60 are good options too

[stoic island]

RM750e is 100$ last I checked

[mossy venture]

^

[regal shard]

Did you look up a review on the performance of that cooler?

[paper summit]

Cooler is fine

This is actually one of the better speced out lists I've seen here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DTGyC6

[regal shard]

The builds looking nice

I’m just not sure how hot the 13600k gets so the only thing idk about so the cooler

[paper summit]

Like I said previously the cooler is fine

Not everything needs a big radiator lmao

[regal shard]

Yeah ik but a hot cpu does

[paper summit]

@honest knot tell him about the lil single tower you're using xD

[honest knot]

Im using the ID Cooling se 224 xt black, it can cool 180w of tdp but i recommend something better, if you want to use aircooling buy the deepcool AK620, or peerless assassin 120

[paper summit]

And geuss what's on that list lol

[honest knot]

oh

he def fine

[mossy venture]

Cooler is fine, especially for gaming and considering you're not ocing

[regal shard]

Ok alright alr

[mossy venture]

I would not trust that with 180w

[honest knot]

dont worry i powerlimited the 13600k to 130w, very little perf loss

[mossy venture]

Ah ok

[honest knot]

and even without powerlimits it runs pretty well under load

[mossy venture]

My 13600k was being fed 265w with stock values

[honest knot]

...

[mossy venture]

Was consistently hitting 100c

[honest knot]

you tried undervolting?

[mossy venture]

Voltage limited it to 1.35v and it's down to 215w

And 80c multi core loads, 55c gaming

[honest knot]

very nice

lol

i cant even undervolt without losing so much performance

thanks b660

[mossy venture]

I got my z690a pro for $127 after tax

[honest knot]

thats decent

🗿

stoopid sellah

[mossy venture]

Well not all of us can be as good as you, rommy /s

And you make good ramen, you're literally perfect

[honest knot]

but it doesn't really matter about getting a z690 anyways unless msi decides to remove more features for no reason

heh

[mossy venture]

Yeah it was off amazon warehouse

Came in perfect condition aside from the box

[verbal plover]

Is 64gb 6400 vs 64gb 5600 worth the $100 price difference?

I'm sure this is subjective but I would like your opinions, I'm not sure how much it would affect performance or anything

[mossy venture]

Well if you're gaming, 64gb isn't worth it period

And I doubt 64gb 6400 would run on most cpus, especially if it's 4x16

I'd probably go for 5600c30, 32, or 36 if you need 64gb, or maybe 6000 with cl under 38

If you're just gaming, 32gb 6400c32, 6000c36 or under (depends on price), or some Kingston 5200c28 I think it is or 5600c30

[verbal plover]

well yeah gaming but who knows when im gonna need 500 tabs open at the same time yaknow

[gentle pollen]

16gb of ram is enough for around 15-25 tabs, a game, and discord all at the same time.

[mossy venture]

32gb is fine for me playing warzone, live streaming, discord and 20 chrome tabs at the same time

I think I was at around 23gb

[gentle pollen]

Anything above 32gb of ram is honestly only for if you do workstation use.

[obsidian wigeon]

chrome doesn't consume as much ram as you think

[gentle pollen]

That's the statement I was trying to make with the 16gb of ram.

[verbal plover]

Appreciate the responses 🙏

[gentle pollen]

Idk why people freak out over Chrome.

Nvm, just realized why. Most of the people I know that freak out over it have like 4-8gb of ram and try to have like 5 apps running at a time.

[gentle pollen]

Good luck with your build! Be sure to post in #build-pics. 😄

[turbid skiff]

I don't know much about cooling configurations but don't I need exhaust fans or am I good with just the 3 in the case

[stoic island]

Yes, you'd be fine with the 3 fans in a g360a

[stoic island]

it can be crazy sometimes but it's usually just not that bad

[turbid skiff]

Alr then I'll get the G600a 👍

[verbal plover]

soon tm

[turbid skiff]

Are there any good 1440p 140+ Hz monitors around $250? I'm currently planning to run a Gigabyte M27Q buy I saw some bad reviews on Amazon

Also I really like the look of Gigabyte monitors so if there are any that would be preferred

[gentle pollen]

I recommend #old-monitors-and-tv

[turbid skiff]

Oh true

[gentle pollen]

the gigabyte M series monitors are pretty good.

[earnest olive]

right now 32gb is cheap enough that you just might as well for any midrange+ pc

[eternal sonnet]

Anyone in so cali who can help with my upgrades

[gentle pollen]

True.

[brittle tinsel]

helping a friend build his pc. He has a id cooling se 214 xt.
the power coming off of the fan has a 3 pin and 4 pin.
this is the specs on their website, does this mean it is safe to plug both 3 pin and 4 pin in?

[south cliff]

the 3pin is for argb

[brittle tinsel]

yeah, so it would be ok to plug the 4 pin into cpu fan 1 and 3 pin into argb 1?

[south cliff]

argb isnt a fan header

its for rgb

[brittle tinsel]

I know, its addressable or something along those lines. I was just double checking, I dont want to be the reason my buddy screws hit system.

[south cliff]

look up his motherboard and it should tell you how many 3 or 4 pin fan headers there are

[empty pollen]

the fan should have 2 cables, one is for power and that one goes to the 4 pin fan header, and the other is the cable for RGB, that should go into the 3 pin argb header

you should plug both but each one use a different header

[brittle tinsel]

👍 ❤️

[empty pollen]

you cant mix'em

[brittle tinsel]

is there a way to remove windows and everything off of a hard drive? he is bringing his old hard drive to his new pc but doesnt want to use the HDD to boot.

when he goes to install windows will it clear all data on the additional drives?

[empty pollen]

you can, yes

[brittle tinsel]

his old pc only has the one drive.

[empty pollen]

on the installation media it will give you an option showing your drives

you can format the drives there

before starting the new installation

in that image you have drive 0 and drive 1 as an example

you can format your hard drives there, and install windows on the drive you want

[south cliff]

@potent portal i got informed that the 120mm aio cooler is brand new so thats good

[potent portal]

Doesn't mean it hasn't corroded or clogged

That just happens over time, not use

At least the pump and fan would be ok

[merry badger]

Hi guys! Does anybody have or can put together a decent budget/low midrange ITX build? The case is already taken care of: H210. There is access to a microcenter, which is Dallas

[hallow glen]

budget?

also H210 is a bit of an oven

[dusty cedar]

idc about 4k or any of that other stuff. for just a regular hd monitor is this a good deal?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824028006?quicklink=true

[spring hedge]

is this a good build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gWT8Nc and https://www.newegg.com/G-SKILL-32GB/p/20-374-451

[south cliff]

you dont need the windows key

[buoyant patrol]

^ you can buy the key off a 3d party cite for 20ish$s

[little osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/926650664090734594/1080578456212996096/20230301-145250-MUSE-id5565779.mp4

Seems fine to me 👍

[languid nimbus]

Got mine for $2

[dusty cedar]

heres my build. its already paid for. wish me luck puttin it together when it gets here. I did order some extra case fans off amazon and a white power cable kit for my power supply from amazon as well. i just dont know how to add them to that list. i only came out over budget by about 150 bucks. not a big deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b6HwsL

[flint sapphire]

That’s not a good deal; 1080p at that size you’ll also start getting a screen door affect (you’ll see individual pixels) at $200 you should be able to grab a ok 1440p panel

It’s $50 more atm but I’d suggest this https://a.co/d/31PW8YZ

[potent portal]

You can add custom items at the bottom of the list

[dusty cedar]

I tried to by searching the items up but it kept saying no results or had stuff that had nothing to do with what I was looking for.

https://a.co/d/idmueRQ

https://a.co/d/fgMEi2e

[brittle tinsel]

having trouble finishing the build.
we are trying to figure out which side is positive, which is negative.
https://download.asrock.com/Manual/B660M Pro RS.pdf here is the mobo.

but the main issue is with the HDD LED and Pwr switch. there is a small arrow on one side. but the PDF manual I opened is really laggy and hard to read.

cases is NZXT H500i

[potent portal]

There's the "manually create part" button if the search fails

[potent portal]

Switches/buttons don't care about polarity but LEDs do. The one with the arrow is positive on the wires.

[dusty cedar]

which displayport cable is best to use for hd 240hz? i need about 4 to 5 feet of it.

[cyan ravine]

Just a 2 meter one is fine

Dp 1.4

Should be fairly inexpensive

[dusty cedar]

yeah def not worried about whatever a cable costs after what i spent today

[flint sapphire]

[obsidian wolf]

[cyan ravine]

[potent portal]

Most monitors come with a cable that will meet the best spec it supports

[dusty cedar]

woulda been nice to know like an hour ago. this is the first monitor ive ever had that has a displayport. figured most companies cheap out and only give you some basic low quality hdmi cable. i know i had a good laugh at the ps5 hdmi cable that came in the box

its literally 23 and a half inches. or according to inches to mm converter its 596.9mm long

i aint hangin my ps5 on the wall behind my tv lol

[cyan ravine]

I still use my ps5 hdmi cable

[dusty cedar]

seriously? lol

[cyan ravine]

It's a good 2.1, takes a lot of abuse

Yes

I mean it's plenty long enough to reach my big screen

[dusty cedar]

im using whatever braided one i had laying around the house. theres no way i could use a cable tha'ts less than 2 feet for anything

[cyan ravine]

And I've done like a full 180 kink at the plug and that thing is still kicking

It's a good cable you could probably even run over and it'd be fine

[frigid night]

no handlebars right?

[potent portal]

But can you guide a missile by satellite

[cyan ravine]

Thanks

[lyric thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/run-bombs-gif-7915724

[empty pollen]

yo guys, new question 😄 any thoughts on the asus tuf vg27aq? 1440p ips 165hz monitor

[potent portal]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/tuf-vg27aq

Totally not worth $300 when X27Q exists

M27Q is better for the same price as that Asus

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/hp-x27q-vs-gigabyte-m27q/27159/19668?usage=3623&threshold=0.10

I'm just bringing the receipts for you 😉

[empty pollen]

yeah sadly im kinda hand-tied on options around here, too few outlets that sell gaming monitors on Ecuador

my options around here are: vg27aq, m32q, vg32aq and the g55a

[potent portal]

M32Q would be good, just a larger M27Q

32 inches at 1440p is still ok if you're not too close to the screen

[empty pollen]

how much is "too close"... also 32" on 1440p wouldn't hurt quality?

sit like 45-50 cm from the screen

F.... 23 is like.... ok yeah, extremely too close

[rain pendant]

Hey y'all, I am building a new PC (for the first time) and am also an idiot. I see that the windows 11 OEM digital download says it's for use on a new PC. How does one install the digital download on a new PC that doesn't have an OS already? I'm sure this is a super rudimentary question, but I appreciate the help in advance.

[dusty cedar]

i would assume you download it to a usb drive and use that but i'm probably wrong

[verbal plover]

Install the windows install onto a flashdrive using a secondary computer, that you then insert into the new computer

[rain pendant]

That simple? I appreciate the help

[potent portal]

Yeah you're overthinking it. It's simple, it asks when you're installing for the key.

[rain pendant]

I'm famous for this

[verbal plover]

Well yeah but its best to watch a video on it, incase you need to do something in BIOS to actually start the windows install, sometimes happens. Also certain safety measures most vids advise you to make

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhHtHMQygzE

[potent portal]

If you have a relatively recent computer with an up to date bios then everything you need for Windows 11 should be on by default

[dusty cedar]

ive been watching a lot of jays 2 cents since last night and also linus tech tips. they seem to be really helpful. tbh i probably should have just watched those videos instead of comin here. but theres a few cool people here.

[rain pendant]

I appreciate all the help guys! I guess I just needed a good pep talk

[dusty cedar]

thats one of the videos i watched last night after i ordered my parts. great video

this one also is a good video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8LMML_EiMg

[gentle pollen]

Just me or has there been very few PC pics lately?

[dusty cedar]

i'll post mine when the parts get here and i get it put together if you want.

[potent portal]

You can see mine in my hwbot subs

I'm due for a cleaning so maybe I'll dust it and take a couple to post here

My solution to fit the AIO is... interesting

[gentle pollen]

....

[gentle pollen]

You came up with a new solution for the Fractal?

[gentle pollen]

Yea, I bet its going to look pretty neat.

[potent portal]

Yes, I fit the LF2 420 into the Torrent.
Well, into, more like, onto.

[gentle pollen]

With the cover on it too now?

[potent portal]

Nope

[gentle pollen]

Oh, so same as before?

[potent portal]

Yeah still doesn't fit inside the case without a dremel

[gentle pollen]

Oof.

Would you be willing to sacrifice a bottom fan slot to make it fit?

I remember a video where the guy made it fit by sacrificing the bottom fan slot (barely fit, he had to brute force the AIO in a bit).

[potent portal]

I have the 180s mounted on the bottom, I could manage with only one giant fan blowing directly into my GPU lol

[gentle pollen]

Hold up.

I can mount 180mm fans on the bottom?

Thought 140mm was the biggest that can fit.

[potent portal]

No the case comes with 2 180mm and they can be on the bottom

[leaden mauve]

Im gonna put my LF2 420 in my daily temporarily

[gentle pollen]

Oh I thought only 120/140 could fit in the bottom.

After I finish my build, ngl I kinda wanna see what a water cooled system would look like in the torrent.

Full custom cooling.

[potent portal]

I find it hilarious how small that GPU looks in that picture also. That's a 3080 ti FE lmao, not small in the least.

The forced perspective and the size of the case and fans make it look puny though

[gentle pollen]

Lmao yea.

Hopefully the 4090 Aorus will fit right in.

Btw not exactly what I was thinking of but still pretty cool.

I was picturing push/pull rads on all slots.

[potent portal]

That's the Torrent Compact right? Nice case still

[gentle pollen]

No it's the big boi I believe

[strong raft]

The rad hides the lowest couple slot covers. Push pull on rads barely helps

[gentle pollen]

I know.

[potent portal]

Yeah I'd just put a monsta dual 180 rad and slap the 180s on it instead

[gentle pollen]

More for aesthetics.

Also DAYUM.

Check that beauty out.

Another clean build.

[leaden mauve]

clean

would look better if the fans were P12's or something tbh

[paper summit]

Custom loops are nice but having to add a water block to your card every time you upgrade would be a pain

Unless you spend mad extra on a pre-made one

[potent portal]

Yeah that's a once every 3-4 years or so problem

If you're the person that absolutely has to have the latest thing then yes custom liquid cooling is a pain

There's a lot of unnecessarily long tubing in that last build too, kinda just looks cluttered to me as a result

Either that's the aesthetic they were going for or they didn't plan the runs very well

I do like the distro plate and 90s to straight tubes in the middle (gold) one

[empty pollen]

after a long research yeah, i decided for the m32q, seems like a better m27q and as you guys said, much better over the vg27aq

[viral ore]

its by design, note how most of the tubing has the appearance of being parallel to each other

[potent portal]

Still looks cluttered to me

[viral ore]

then you arent looking at it properly

that run from the cpu to the gpu is exactly what it needed to be

[potent portal]

Well it is just my opinion so feel free to dismiss it

[viral ore]

im just a sucker for good design, regardless of how it actually looks

[potent portal]

That radiator placement looks weird to me too but I know that was intentional to get that "parallel" aesthetic

Could have easily used half the tubing they did overall. Maybe I just hate waste in general...

[viral ore]

fair

[tepid roost]

@potent portal can you recommend a decent budget mobo that's atx for am4?

maybe like 100-130?

[potent portal]

For what processor exactly, and USA?

[tepid roost]

usa and it's for a 3600x

but i needs to be atx

Micro atx sucks ngl

[potent portal]

No plan to upgrade that 3600x later?

[tepid roost]

not anytime soon

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JVJgXL/msi-b550-gaming-gen3-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-gaming-gen3

[tepid roost]

yeah I was looking at that falcie

[potent portal]

Not a lot of extras on it but that'll do the job just fine, could upgrade to a 5800X3D later if you wanted

[tepid roost]

that's fine thank's

[potent portal]

No argb header so keep that in mind. It's 12v rgb not 5v argb.

$10 more gets you an argb https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-b550-plus/p/N82E16813119323

[tepid roost]

that don't matter

[languid nimbus]

[little osprey]

Need help

A few days ago some of you advised that the RX 6700 xt would be a decent upgrade GPU for my alienware aurora r7.
So far ive reset cmos, uninstalled the video drivers, reseated the gpu and still stuck with the same alienware logo screen. It will not open bios or the boot menu screen. My old RX 580x gpu still works on my r7 mbd.

[potent portal]

Both 8 pin power plugs are in?

[heady kayak]

well, presumably yes

given that they're getting video output

[little osprey]

They were. Had followed the general chat for a bit but had to come here

[heady kayak]

Anyways, can you boot to Windows with Secure Boot disabled?

[little osprey]

I can but i want to ensure that is all im changing in the boot setup

Welp going to save and let it reset

Blue screen

[heady kayak]

lol?

what the hell

[little osprey]

Whatever you guys are wanting me to do is fragging my pc

[cyan ravine]

Windows dieded?

What's the blue screen say

[little osprey]

Its rebooting

[cyan ravine]

Oooo

[heady kayak]

unbootable device maybe?

[little osprey]

And back to blue screen

[cyan ravine]

Ah

[little osprey]

Bloody hell

[cyan ravine]

I wonder

@heady kayak would having blanks in the pcie slot cause something like this

[heady kayak]

No

[cyan ravine]

Oh have you set the pcie spec to max at gen 3 or whatever it is

[heady kayak]

bruh

@little osprey re-enable secure boot

and well, give up on the 6700 XT

I know what the issue is, I don't think you can get around it...

[heady kayak]

i7-8700?

I don't know if Dell ever updated these for 9th gen, so assume 8th gen

[cyan ravine]

Vga doesn't really need a mobo to be bios updated no?

Can you enable ahci in the bios

[little osprey]

I was told by the guys here little over a week ago that the 6700 xt was compatible.

[heady kayak]

they're booting to NVMe

won't fix the problem

[heady kayak]

unfortunately your system seems to be enforcing secure boot, and without a Windows reinstall

there will be no way to get the 6700 XT to work

[little osprey]

Now its running diagnostic after setting up the secure boot enabled

[heady kayak]

reset

just ignore the diagnostic

it's normal after a couple failed boots

[cyan ravine]

Maybe it's firmware locked?

[little osprey]

Wasted money.

Wht. Blue screen again!

[cyan ravine]

This isn't normal behaviour btw @little osprey

[heady kayak]

wait

are you 100% sure you have an NVMe SSD?

[little osprey]

I do

[heady kayak]

Are you actually booting to said NVMe SSD?

because this sounds like you're not

[little osprey]

Didnt touch the blasted thing

[heady kayak]

Hold on.

[little osprey]

Turning off and reseating everything.

[heady kayak]

Can you get us the M.2 SSD model?

Maybe @mossy venture is right, might've switched SATA modes...

[cyan ravine]

I've had the boot device error cos I switched off ahci for a bench

Didn't realise I basically made the windows drive unreadable like that so flipping it back made it work

[heady kayak]

Yeah, Windows is kinda stupid...

[potent portal]

You can disable secure boot enforcement in registry with the 580 back in, then swap to the new GPU with secure boot off

[heady kayak]

don't think it's necessarily a secure boot issue funny enough

sounds like disabling secure boot flipped other switches within the bios

Dell stoopid

[potent portal]

Well it is an 8th gen too, it might even need things toggled like CSM/UEFI mode

[little osprey]

I have the bios finally opened. Can we put it back the way it was. Ive switched on the secure boot back on

[potent portal]

Discord is bugging out on my phone so I'm not going to be much help right now. I'll be back home in about an hour.

[lyric thistle]

Just send a letter smh

Snail Discord

[potent portal]

Onboard nic is set to the boot device, windows boot loader is third

[cyan ravine]

Is that really the whole bios

[little osprey]

Thats the boot section of bios that these guys had me adjusting when someone could have figured out that the gpu 6700 xt is not for my aurora r7

[frigid night]

Ok, hold up. This isn't our fault.

[potent portal]

Other people successfully upgraded

[frigid night]

This troubleshooting is how we are finding that it isn't compatible.

[little osprey]

Ive never had to do this on my old xps. Swapped the video with an upgraded comaptible and tjat was it

[cyan ravine]

Yes and that's how it should be

[cyan ravine]

I'd try this

[potent portal]

I'll repeat also, your boot order is wrong, set windows boot loader to #1

[cyan ravine]

Go to the storage section and enable ahci

[little osprey]

Before i disabled the secure boot, it was originally there already

[cyan ravine]

Yes you'll turn secure boot back on

But you'd do it after booting to windows with it off and the 580 in

Then shut down, swap 6700xt in, boot to windows, hopefully works

And try enabling ahci

Ahci is a known fix for a sata ssd even if it is an m.2

Which btw for 8th gen intel sata m.2 was common

< Has an old 8th gen system that used a sata nvme

[lyric thistle]

My Grandpa's intel extreme or whatever it's called PC from probably 4th gen era has NVMe drives

[cyan ravine]

Yes but this is alienware

Using the same chassis from 1998

Boards with green pcb's and 120 aios for 12900k's

They will cut costs where people don't easily understand

Much like pre-builts do with stuff like psu's

[little osprey]

Ok had to cool off and take a breather.
This pc has the i7 8700 with the following

[cyan ravine]

Hm ok it's not sata

[cyan ravine]

Try this next

[little osprey]

As for the boot menu options those were the only options

[cyan ravine]

Yes but their order is important

[little osprey]

Ill give that a try then

I just switched the boot manager as 1st, ipv4 as 2nd and ipv6 as third

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[little osprey]

Anything else?

[cyan ravine]

Nothing jumps out at me yet

[little osprey]

Now it shows the secure boot disabled with the 580 in. Though i did notice the legacy option ROMs is now enabled

Should i just continue to save and reset?

[cyan ravine]

Ye see what it does

If it doesn't work disable legacy option rom

[little osprey]

Well its loaded finally to my windows and my desktop. Shut down and now install the new card

[cyan ravine]

Ye give it a go

I would also consider maybe contacting alienware support as well at some point, they are more likely to have encountered this issue

Again I'll say this is totally unusual behaviour, should be perfectly fine to just swap cards out like you did in the other pc

PCI express is widely compatible and allows that sort of thing

[heady kayak]

heh, Dell support being useful

[little osprey]

Well dell is out of question since this pc is out of their service warranty

[cyan ravine]

Nah, they may know about this, warranty or not

Who's to say they've sent someone a replacement gpu and the same thing has happened? 🙂

Better than us trying to rack our heads and coming up blanks

[potent portal]

They might have you put a message up on the support forum, where you get Dell specialists to answer your questions

Often they're former employees or engineers

[little osprey]

I had weeks ago try to switch out the samsung pcie m.e nvme with a 1tb crucial p5 version but that never worked

[cyan ravine]

Same issue?

Couldn't install windows onto it?

[little osprey]

Even after cloning to the new one. It kept saying does not recognize the boot drive

[cyan ravine]

After a full clone???

[little osprey]

Yes

Ok before i turn on this is what it looks like

[cyan ravine]

Was this like, macrium reflect so you got the recover and boot partitions as well

Or something similar

[cyan ravine]

Looks fine

[little osprey]

I used crucials cloner

[cyan ravine]

Hm not familiar with that one but I would presume it'd work in another pc

My intuition is that this might be a firmware lock

Especially after learning about the crucial ssd

[little osprey]

Ok the 6700xt is running. Hdmi is plugged in and i have the bios pulled up

[cyan ravine]

Ok enable legacy option roms and make sure windows boot manager is option 1

[potent portal]

Found that Dell forum I mentioned
https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware-Desktops/Aurora-R7-RX-6700-XT-not-working/td-p/7882929

[cyan ravine]

Secure boot disabled

[potent portal]

There's 4 options to disable to bypass the Dell GPU only lock

[cyan ravine]

Ooooo

Amazing find

[little osprey]

Ok secure boot is still in disable mode, legacy option rom is enabled, windows boot mgr is option one.

[cyan ravine]

Give it a shot, if not, try what falcie just linked

[potent portal]

SMM Security Mitigation DISABLED
UEFI Bootpath Security DISABLED
Secure Boot OFF

Windows capsule bios updates DISABLED

[little osprey]

Ok looks like is running. Strange loading screen compared to what it was originally

[cyan ravine]

EYYYY

We got there in the end

[little osprey]

Now all i need to do is install driver for it

[cyan ravine]

Yup

Glad you're up and running now, thank Fal for that

[potent portal]

It should auto install the driver since you had the 580 drivers

[little osprey]

Omg the resolution is horrid.

[cyan ravine]

Yes, as the standard windows driver will be

[potent portal]

Give it a minute to install, then you can fix it

[little osprey]

I need the radeon amd driver for it right?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Amd adrenaline 23.2.1 iirc

[little osprey]

Finally that headache i hope will be in the past. At least for another 2 yrs until i save enough for a new pc anyways.

[cyan ravine]

Secure boot can do that

I haven't experienced that on newer stuff tho

[little osprey]

Is there a way to get the crucial pcie m.2 nvme. I couldnt get them refunded but it would be nice to go from the 500 gb to the 1tb

[cyan ravine]

You probably can

In fact

Now is probably the time to do it

[little osprey]

Ok, so the cloning method wasnt working, or did i miss a step in the process?

[cyan ravine]

Try cloning again but with macrium reflect free

I'm not familiar with crucials cloning tool, it likely works but I can be more helpful with macrium

[little osprey]

Ok the site for the macrium is offering for backup, im not seeing anything for cloning

[cyan ravine]

Ye it does clones and images for backup

[little osprey]

Ok gonna download

Alrighty, macrium reflect home setup

[cyan ravine]

Ye the free edition

[little osprey]

Took a few steps but its installing

And restart

As long as the hardware doesnt fail i did make a backup on an external wd hdd just in case

Before doing all this

Alright. I have the macrium program running.

[potent portal]

The old drive would still be usable worst case anyway, it's just reading

[cyan ravine]

Once you're in click the m.2 drive then I believe it's "clone this disk"

Then select the crucial and drag all of it onto the crucial, main windows section last then click on that and select "fill space"

That'll expand the drive to use all 1tb instead of keeping it at a 480-ish gb size

But expand it for your files and stuff

[little osprey]

Yeah no cloning option visible.

[cyan ravine]

it's there

[little osprey]

Damn that blends in. Ok gotcha

[cyan ravine]

click this

select the empty crucial drive

[little osprey]

I think i have it right, though it has a weird extra in the destination.

[cyan ravine]

then this

[cyan ravine]

yea copy partitions

[little osprey]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

shrink or extend to fill the target disk

then click next and then next

then I believe it's finish

it'll prompt for a backup, untick the backup (you've already backed it up elsewhere)

then run this clone now ticked

then I think it's either next or finish or ok

then it should start, might need something else clicked

then let it do it's thing

when it's done, you can shut down, swap the drives, then boot it back up and see if it works

granted we solved the 6700xt this should work but the solution fal posted might also help

[little osprey]

Yeah the 6700 xt appears to be fully functioning now.

[cyan ravine]

that's great

[little osprey]

Ill need to cable manage everything. I have the pc in a tower stand that rolls under my desk to save on desk space

So i was picking up and putting down each time to find the gpu fix

[cyan ravine]

all in good time

no rush

[little osprey]

I might let it run the cloning process and just crash for the night and finish tomorrow

[cyan ravine]

all good

it should really be just switching out the ssd's once it's done

[little osprey]

Yeah, ill work on the m.2 installation tomorrow. Have a good night

[cyan ravine]

normally that would work but we'd have to find out

you might need to change the boot order again

but ye all good

cya later 👋

[little osprey]

Ill keep you posted in this chat tomorrow

Gnight

[cyan ravine]

[leaden mauve]

ooo sweet

[frigid night]

Glad to see you guys getting it working.

[balmy hornet]

I know I should t buy a 4080 but man it's tempting right now.

[frigid night]

Why shouldn't you?

[potent portal]

It's expensive like everything else high end this gen but not the worst value at least

[dusty cedar]

I think these might be for my graphics card that's on its way but I just wanted to ask to make sure since I'm getting the plastic cable holders on. But is that what these cables are for? I think it's a 6+2 cable?

[earnest olive]

it tells nvidia that we support $1200+ 80 class cards

[earnest olive]

yes

maybe the 5080 will be $2000 😄

[frigid night]

I thought they were under 1k

I haven't looked at prices though

[earnest olive]

MSRP is $1200

AIBs can go higher

[frigid night]

Oh ok

So the 90s be closer to 2k?

[earnest olive]

the highest msrp for a 4080 aib model is 1600

same as a 4090 fe

[frigid night]

Sheesh

[earnest olive]

some 4090s are above 2k msrp

highest is 2.1k

plenty of 4080s are available at 1.2k

but 1.2k is still a bad price

[brittle spindle]

Enthusiast pc builders are in the fall I believe in the future building a pc will no longer be viable

[dusty cedar]

I was just going over my order screen and seen this. Is this for the cooler or what is it?

[weary galleon]

Yes, it's for mounting the CPU cooler

[coarse coral]

check if your cpu cooler has a 1700 bracker

[dusty cedar]

it says it does but i wont know until it gets here. 🤷‍♂️

[autumn gulch]

Plenty of people use 10 series or 20 series cards still like 1060s, 2060s, 1070s

They’re actually pretty good

[lyric thistle]

I'm not getting anything newer than my 970 for a while

It's decent for me now

[mossy venture]

Imagine that on a birthday card

"You know what? You're decent"

"I can tolerate you"

[tired isle]

I needs that lmao

I tolerate you all, friends

[scarlet wraith]

random question, do portable duplex printers exist? I need one for my patrol vehicle.

[echo cedar]

anybody worked with the H7 Flow? general thoughts?

[potent portal]

A little below average for performance but the build quality and looks are alright

Well, not below average performance but still average https://youtu.be/Mt27luCbjmI

[cyan ravine]

I'd say build quality is good

But that price man

Hard to ignore it

[potent portal]

Yeah for that same price of $130 you could get the Torrent compact which has some of the best GPU temps GN has ever tested

Plus rgb

[cyan ravine]

Or for $20 more an O11 which has so much more potential

Or 20-40$ less for a g360a

[obsidian wigeon]

good case, weird price

[old merlin]

I finally got my Radiator wedged into my PC case. Only took a power drill.

It was too close to the motherboard before, couldn't plug in the CPU power cable and the fan screw holes were too far apart.

[potent portal]

I usually plug in the CPU power before I put the motherboard into the case. Nice solution though, that case was clearly never intended for liquid cooling on the top.

[old merlin]

the big fans will fit fine in the top though so that is good

I will set that up in a pull method.

Yeah I am gonna do the same, plug in the modular CPU cables first and just slide it under.

When I put the fans in the top ones I can screw all the way down and the ones over the grill I will screw those down just a couple of turns just to catch so they don't go through the grill underneath.

[distant musk]

would a 3600 bottleneck a 6700

[potent portal]

At 1080p, sometimes. At 1440p, no.

[flint sapphire]

Not at 4k

[potent portal]

That sometimes depends on what game it is. Heavily single threaded games like MMOs and simulators will make it hurt.

[flint sapphire]

The bottleneck in that configuration is probably gunna be the cpu tho in general, it’ll work fine like fal said at 1440p

[distant musk]

should I go for a 6650xt or a 6600 instead

[potent portal]

Nah it doesn't hurt to have a stronger GPU for the games that can use it

If you go overkill on anything the GPU is the one to do

[distant musk]

👍🏻

[cyan ravine]

6700 is kinda overkill for 1080p, but similarly said, you'll get a lot of life out of it at 1080p

[flint sapphire]

Down the line when they are like $100 you can always pick up a 5800x3d

[distant musk]

Definitely if they go that low 😂

[potent portal]

The 1800X is barely down to $100 so that'll be a while lol

[flint sapphire]

Eh I mean like a used one

Still tho it’ll be a minute

[distant musk]

Is oloy blade ram better than mushkin

[potent portal]

That is used 💀

[cyan ravine]

X3d brr

[flint sapphire]

What is this the used car market?

[potent portal]

[flint sapphire]

what’s the timings

Show me the carfax

[potent portal]

16-20-20-38

[distant musk]

Not sure about the other one can’t find it for some reason

[potent portal]

Pretty weak, Ryzen 3600 would prefer to have 3600 speed for better infinity fabric latency

It would be doable though

[flint sapphire]

If you can get the memory to clock that high

[cyan ravine]

275 qar sounds close to the lowest price for ram we saw

[potent portal]

That's an old issue that's been fixed for years with bios updates. My 2700 got to 3466 with a little coaxing.

[flint sapphire]

Man my 2700 refused to like anything over 3000

[distant musk]

There’s this

[potent portal]

Better

[distant musk]

But I’ve been seeing reviews people are saying they’ve been sent fault ones

Should I risk it

[potent portal]

I'll take a look

[flint sapphire]

You know what’ll match the ram aesthetic? The new artic p12 max fans

[potent portal]

I doubt those are on sale in Qatar right now lol

They just launched

[flint sapphire]

Ik I’m just messing around don’t mind me

[distant musk]

I’m going for this case

4 argb fans included

[potent portal]

There's about a 5% chance it looks like. It's up to you if you want to take that risk or spend more on a more reliable brand. I know claiming warranty can be hard in some countries.

[distant musk]

Can you find me another ram without that chance same price or maybe little more it’s ok

[potent portal]

Hang on I'll connect my VPN so I can see local prices

[potent portal]

Would you be using UAE or Saudi Amazon?

[distant musk]

Shipping is expensive pretty sure

But I’ll check

They don’t even ship here somehow

[potent portal]

Ok noted

Newegg it is

[distant musk]

Getting case & psu locally

[potent portal]

One of these would be good I think. They're all the same speed and timings, 3600 18-22-22-42. G.Skill and Kingston are the most reliable brands overall out of the five.
https://www.newegg.com/global/qa-en/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=20-226-989%2C20-242-755%2C20-232-928%2C20-331-545%2C20-177-114

[distant musk]

Also forgot to mention

For the cpu I’m going for stock cooler

Any thermal throttling gonna be happening?

[potent portal]

That's fine. The 3600 is really low power and low heat.

[distant musk]

Will get Kingston

👍🏻

[potent portal]

If it starts to overheat during the summer you can always get a cheap tower cooler.

[distant musk]

It gets really hot here

There’s a slight chance I might have to go with a 6600 or 6650xt would it still be a good pc

[potent portal]

Definitely, especially for 1080p

[distant musk]

I heard 2 fan gpus are bad

[potent portal]

If you want to be safe you can get this https://www.newegg.com/global/qa-en/deepcool-ag400/p/N82E16835856221

[distant musk]

Is that true

[potent portal]

Only on the high end models. Midrange like the 6650 XT it's fine.

[cyan ravine]

Only get this if you have room left in the budget for nothing else

[distant musk]

Then won’t be getting

[cyan ravine]

[fossil cedar]

Id cooling se 214xt is 5$ cheaper eee
Ohh nvm newegg put me on the US site

[potent portal]

What you can do to reduce temps is lower the voltage of the CPU and GPU when Summer rolls around.

[distant musk]

Getting the 6650xt for around 1200qr any gpus better than that for the price

[potent portal]

If it's the MSI Mech I'd avoid that one, it's a cheap aluminum cooler and the only model I'd really avoid.

[distant musk]

It is

[potent portal]

It's worth going with the Asrock then https://www.newegg.com/global/qa-en/asrock-radeon-rx-6650-xt-rx6650xt-cld-8go/p/N82E16814930070

[distant musk]

Alr. Back to my question

[potent portal]

At least then you get some copper on there.

[distant musk]

Any better

Fine if a little more

[potent portal]

Not on newegg without going up to the 6700 for 1345

[distant musk]

Where else

[potent portal]

I don't know what other online retailers would be available, maybe aliexpress but I'd never buy a GPU from there.

[distant musk]

Me either

So 6650xt it is right

[potent portal]

Yes

And this is why you don't order a gpu from ali https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003932662395.html
That's a laptop 3070 on a desktop card

[distant musk]

or should I get a 6600 because I’ve seen people say performance between both isn’t much of a difference

💀💀💀💀💀

[cyan ravine]

either are good price/perf

pick your poison

[potent portal]

6600 XT specifically would be good, avoid the non-XT in this case that actually is a good bit less performance

[distant musk]

How many years would it last me before needing a upgrade

[potent portal]

No idea what games the future will bring but you'll be able to do 1080p high gaming for a good while

[distant musk]

This one

[cyan ravine]

that's a question no one has an answer for

[distant musk]

So this one is good right

[cyan ravine]

it's good today

that's all we can say

[potent portal]

There's some good tech being developed right now for upscaling so hopefully it lasts a good while thanks to FSR

[distant musk]

https://qa.pcpartpicker.com/list/PT29Mb

everything fine?

also forget about shipping it is free because I went over 750

[verbal plover]

Just waiting for gpu, mobo, case, and aio! (and 1 extra single fan thats taking 2 weeks longer than the other stuff so I'm just gonna build it without a rear exhaust temporarily 😭)

These irl developers should've added a time skip button so I can just go to when it all arrives 🙄

[regal shard]

Why not just go to micro centre or Best Buy

[gilded dragon]

Hello. Has anyone seen any new nice cases?

[regal shard]

I wanna build another pc so bad

[regal shard]

There’s way too many