but mid december looks far away I dont think I will wait till then lol
#building-and-recc-chat
ornate condor
cyan ravine
Lol
ornate condor
I barely stopping myself to not buy 4090 yet lol
still hoping for any white card lol
ornate condor
I possibly will do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZwPrLs
move to whole new build
ornate condor
it was for sale 
cyan ravine
Ur fine lol
ornate condor
4tb for 400$
ornate condor
2tb was for 200$ so 4tb for 400$ is good price
cyan ravine
You got 16tb of perfectly good storage lol
ornate condor
only one m2 slot supports gen5 on my mobo so
I only will change boot drive to gen5 possibly lol
cyan ravine
Does it? I thought z790 is still all gen 4
ornate condor
no you have 20x pcie5 line
cyan ravine
Yeah the edge is still all gen 4 nvme
Ya but it's split up into more gen 4
Only 16x goes to pcie 1
The remaining 4 go to a hell ton of I/O
From the website for your chosen board
ornate condor
wait let me check mine
ornate condor
my strix z690
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280/22110 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
only one slot
cyan ravine
That's the dimm.2 isn't it?
Asus has a patent on that
Goes next to the ram
And yes that's gen 5
Unless they overspec'd the first slot
Instead?
ornate condor
when I install my mobo I saw pcie5 x4 written on first m2 slot
ornate condor
Oh no dimm.2 on strix
its on maximus series
it is very possible couse 12th gen cpus have 20x pcie5 line
x16 for gpu and x4 for m2
its so weird msi dont have that . maybe couse you were looking for ddr4 version ?
cyan ravine
its so weird msi dont have that . maybe couse you were looking for ddr4 version ...
Nope it's the ddr5 version
cyan ravine
It's pointless to go with a ton of gen 4 or 5 anyway unless all you do is video production*
ornate condor
yes asus z790s have it too
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280/22110 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
cyan ravine
Interesting
ornate condor
also it have 5 m2 slot total so I can add one more ssd 
my current mobo have only 4
cyan ravine
Waste more money 
ornate condor
I can put one of current 2tbs for now lol
then shift 4x 4tb to bottom and add 2tb gen5 to first slot 
but problem is , somehow asus mobos are ugly on this gen 
cyan ravine
Lol
These are such first world problems 
Just
Get the edge, move your current storage over, maybe get one other nvme
ornate condor
white rog mobo only have ddr4 option 
cyan ravine
Or go ddr4
ornate condor
eww ddr4
cyan ravine
Then you get your trident royals
What's wrong with ddr4
Lol
You just said you miss trident royals
ornate condor
been long using ddr5 rams lol sounds like downgrade 
cyan ravine
Not really
ornate condor
I still keep royal kit
ornate condor
I think it was 4000mhz cl18 kit
ornate condor
my current ddr5 is 6000mhz cl40 but ocing it to 6400mhz cl30 couse its M die
reef moss
Looking for a few different people to help me build a Streaming PC for Modded Minecraft (200+ Mods) , Valorant, Overwatch2, ECT
If anyone is down to spend like 30 minues talking about nerd shtuff
PIng me if someone is available
reef moss
sadge
cyan ravine
Give me a budget @reef moss , also wifi yes or no and does it include a monitor
reef moss
oh bet
I have 2 monitors already, doesnt need wifi, just bluetooth, and budget is 1800
max
Its for Streaming 1-5 hours straight
This is the one someone sent me last time aswell
obsidian wigeon
That whole build is budget gone wrong
reef moss
lmaoo
obsidian wigeon
Lemme just fix it
mossy venture
that entire build is just god please no
mossy venture
i'd just get ak620, since he doesn't want water cooling
cyan ravine
Eh well no z690 then
mossy venture
also does that board have bios flash?
mossy venture
i think the tomahawk has it
obsidian wigeon
I can't see bios flash on the pro a
mossy venture
lets you update bios easily
mossy venture
bios as of around a month ago likely won't support 13th gen
possibly even a week ago
reef moss
Hopefully it wont be complicated haha
mossy venture
pro a does?
reef moss
Whats a strix?
mossy venture
Hopefully it wont be complicated haha
just requires download smthn to a usb stick, and then pressing a button i believe
cyan ravine
Whats a strix?
Nvm
obsidian wigeon
ye
mossy venture
i cannot type
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HfHNZw
Do this
obsidian wigeon
Sometimes needs file renaming
reef moss
That one?
reef moss
Is that the final build?
cyan ravine
So foxy, b660m has it or is it z690
obsidian wigeon
Z
reef moss
Ill ask around on changes and such but I think it looks pretty good
cyan ravine
Ok z
reef moss
Thank you so much!
obsidian wigeon
Not sure about B
Use this one lel
No need to ask around anymore
I don't trust those other people you're likely asking
reef moss
Oh I mean people here lol
reef moss
But what should i buy first? Most expensive to cheapest?
reef moss
you do?
obsidian wigeon
^
cyan ravine
In a month the prices will be different
reef moss
oh
cyan ravine
So it won't be the same as now
reef moss
drastically?
cyan ravine
Can be
obsidian wigeon
It can be
reef moss
So I should save up and then come ask lol
cyan ravine
I'm just checking that b660 board for a bios switch I'll brb, I'll change to the board that works if it doesnt
obsidian wigeon
Case and cpu might remain the same
mossy venture
Possible to fit 40 or 7000 series in budget by then
obsidian wigeon
^
reef moss
Ill come back when I have 1600-1800 saved up
obsidian wigeon
I'm just checking that b660 board for a bios switch I'll brb, I'll change to the...
The B660 lacks it
Intel moment
mossy venture
Kk
obsidian wigeon
It was
cyan ravine
Ok this instead. This list DEFINITELY works
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BDqkmr
But usually psu prices fluctuate rn as well as gpus
obsidian wigeon
It doesn't matter much rn kek
cyan ravine
So this list will still be invalid in a month
obsidian wigeon
It's one of those cases where the discussion started before purchase for a while
reef moss
Ill have to dm you in about a month
cyan ravine
Just ask again here and share that list
obsidian wigeon
^
cyan ravine
We'll update it
obsidian wigeon
We're always looking in this server lol
dim forge
lone temple
Yo. I'm gonna be building a new PC, just waiting for some black friday sales to buy most of my PC. I have already bought my CPU and graphics card though, so those are locked in.
I plan on using this PC for gaming, streaming, recording, and lots of video editing. I'm possibly open to suggestions/ideas/changes for anything aside from what I've already bought, but one thing in particular I'd like a second opinion on is the CPU cooler I chose. I know very little about CPU coolers and want to know if the one I picked seems sufficient for the CPU I have.
this is the build- https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/idontkno/saved/#view=yC96Q7
also, if you're wondering why no memory is selected, it's because I'm going to keep the same memory I have in my current computer and transfer it over. This is the 32GBs of memory I currently have and will be keeping https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Ch3mP6/gskill-flare-x-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gfx
obsidian wigeon
I don't see much problem other than the psu
lone temple
wahts wrong with my choice of psu?
obsidian wigeon
The build doesn't need that much power
Just get something like this
It's also better quality too
lone temple
Ok, so i was pretty sure 750 would be enought, but I'm totally okay with over killing the PSU a bit, psus are one of the least expensive parts of building a PC and I will gladly spend maybe what, and extra 20 or 30 dollars more for a 1000 watt spu to guarunteee i never have any isue with that/leave room for future upgrades that might use more watts
obsidian wigeon
The thing is, that 1000w psu is a c tier
potent portal
It's a bit more than 20 or 30 dollars to jump to 1000W... At least, one worth buying
obsidian wigeon
A 1000W bronze unit is pretty weird in itself
Usually means it's got meh quality
And the tier list suggests that too
lone temple
tbh i dont know much about the difference between bronze/gold different tiers of psu, whats even really the difference
potent portal
This is the cheapest next tier up unit https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-pe-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1
obsidian wigeon
^
potent portal
tbh i dont know much about the difference between bronze/gold different tiers of...
Bronze and gold refer to efficiency and have nothing to do with quality
obsidian wigeon
That too
lone temple
efficiency? im confused. like if cpu compoennts use say, 600 watts, they use 600 watts, how does a power supply be more "efficient"
potent portal
Efficiency meaning how much power from the wall is converted to usable voltage by the power supply
lone temple
youre saying a bronze one will drain more electricity than it needs in comapred to a gold?
potent portal
It's only a 5% difference between bronze and gold, it only matters if you pay exorbitant rates for power or you're on a server farm
lone temple
ok, so then why do i care about haveing a gold over a bronze
potent portal
You shouldn't, that's what I'm getting at
lone temple
but you guys were just recommending to get a gold 750w
cyan ravine
So conversions between power are never perfect, there's always excess heat released
lone temple
isntaed ofa 1000 bronze
potent portal
What matters is the model of the PSU itself
cyan ravine
The more efficient a psu is, the less loss of energy through heat dissipation
obsidian wigeon
Efficiency has nothing to do with our recommendation
cyan ravine
Does this equate to better quality tho? No
obsidian wigeon
Cause it matters next to none
potent portal
A tier C 1000W might shut down under heavy gaming load when a tier A 750W won't
obsidian wigeon
^
cyan ravine
There are many many many other factors to a psu that matter as much or more than the gold or bronze sticker on the side
OCP, OVP, spike protection, power excursions, OTP OPP etc etc etc
lone temple
where is this "tier C"??? power supplys have a "tier"? all i knew about psu is awttage and whether theyre bronze/gold, whatever
and how modular they are
potent portal
There's gold rated units that will literally explode under load
lone temple
what is this tier we are speaking of
potent portal
You can think of it like this, a tier A unit is intended for a 3080/3090, tier B for 3070, tier C for 3060... and I wouldn't go below C
lone temple
ok, did not know about this, about the psu decides its "tier"
cyan ravine
They use a long listed of highly detailed sources, cross comparisons and tear downs to find out what the power supply truly is
It's a very detailed list
Even if it uses tier nomenclature
potent portal
It's the quality of the parts inside that determines how good it really is. You can have a 2500W unit that weighs about 1kg and you can bet it'll kill something in your computer
cyan ravine
Cos if say corsair sells a psu, it's not necessarily theirs in house
There are oems like great wall, csz etc
That *can supply them for rebranding
potent portal
(real 2500W units are much heavier)
lone temple
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
so, how do i choose something easily, cause if im loking at pcpartpicker, i know prices and specs, but not tier, but if i look at this tier list, I onlyt the name and tier of the psu and not necessarily anything else
cyan ravine
For your card, pick something tier A imo like the thermaltake fal'cie listed
Or something over spec tier b like a 1000W tier b
lone temple
This is the cheapest next tier up unit https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP...
so this 850 should be good?
little osprey
I was going to ask some sprinked about questions in the more directed channels in the pc hw cat, but ill just ask the full question here
im trying to cut down on utility costs and, of course, a PC [that runs more often than not all of the day] is going to add a bit too that, was already recommended the RX 6600, but what other parts should I look for in an upgrade for power efficiency
lone temple
anyways, so aside from powersupply then, everything else seems solid? that cpu cooler will do the job for the cpu i have? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/idontkno/saved/#view=yC96Q7
little osprey
anyways, so aside from powersupply then, everything else seems solid? that cpu c...
first time building?
lone temple
2nd
lone temple
i built my current rig like 5 years ago
little osprey
if you've signed into a PC with a windows 10 license iirc it persists to that acc
if you've used an MS acc
lone temple
what if i wanted to sell my old rig though, i cant have the same windows key licensed to both computers?
potent portal
Correct
lone temple
yeah, then im buying another copy of windows
little osprey
what if i wanted to sell my old rig though, i cant have the same windows key lic...
?
lone temple
?
little osprey
I'm not sure I understand you're question
lone temple
im going to sell my current PC after i build my new one
little osprey
Right
lone temple
i cant have the same windows license registered to both PCs
little osprey
why would you need to
little osprey
I mean you could just flash unactivated windows 10 to the device
Which only has the watermark and no personalization options
lone temple
doesnt someone ahve to buy a product key then?
little osprey
But theres a very less than 0 chance that person also has a digital license signed on their acc
little osprey
doesnt someone ahve to buy a product key then?
if they choose to remove a water mark
windows is free with a watermark and no personalization options
otherwise perfectly useable
little osprey
that
also,
I mean there is a high chance whoever gets the PC still wipes and does a reinstall regardless
potent portal
We don't discuss piracy at all sorry
lone temple
im already gonna wipre it clean and its gonna be like a fresh install for thm when they buy the PC from me. but i dotn watn the hassle or them to have the hassle of having watermark and having to illegally remove it
potent portal
Except as a concept
lone temple
im just gonna buy anotehr copy of windows lol
potent portal
im just gonna buy anotehr copy of windows lol
I DM'd you
obsidian wigeon
There's also a legal way, but it isn't activating it ofc
little osprey
im already gonna wipre it clean and its gonna be like a fresh install for thm wh...
I'm pretty sure that'd be nil necessary
the moment you sign into a PC with your ms acc if you have a digitally signed license it'd be on that acc,
lone temple
I DM'd you
checking
little osprey
and thus that PC activated
unless theres smn im missing ab the way windows digitally signed licenses work
weary galleon
unless theres smn im missing ab the way windows digitally signed licenses work
pretty sure they're only active on one pc at a time so if you use say a laptop and desktop you're gonna want multiple licenses
obsidian wigeon
^
potent portal
and thus that PC activated
You have to run the activation troubleshooter to activate on a new PC and it deactivates the old one
obsidian wigeon
It doesn't transfer for me when I use a different laptop
little osprey
pretty sure they're only active on one pc at a time so if you use say a laptop a...
🤔 idt I've ever ran into this
little osprey
It doesn't transfer for me when I use a different laptop
it did for me
little osprey
You have to run the activation troubleshooter to activate on a new PC and it dea...
yeah ive never had to do this
when I signed into my PC when I was only using my laptop
little osprey
it automatically did it
obsidian wigeon
I've just saw it lol
little osprey
yeah
I was using my Gateway laptop as my primary machine
when I built my pc it automatically transferred and both machines were activated
weary galleon
OEMs can buy keys for much cheaper and at least in the US they are by law allowed to resell them if they wish
obsidian wigeon
Problem is some sites can be fraudulent
little osprey
^
analog pulsar
Hi so I'm getting radar_pre_leak more then usual
little osprey
when I built my pc it automatically transferred and both machines were activated
but tbh, I havent dailyed windows in a long time, so take what I say with with 🧂
little osprey
im trying to cut down on utility costs and, of course, a PC [that runs more ofte...
I've asked for potential build upgrades a bit in the past but that was with the presumption this didn't matter [at the time it didn't (or so I thought), now it does
potent portal
I've asked for potential build upgrades a bit in the past but that was with the ...
It's literally a difference of a couple dollars a year for most people, the cost to upgrade alone would take years to pay off
little osprey
It's literally a difference of a couple dollars a year for most people, the cost...
?
potent portal
Going from bronze to gold is about a 5% difference at best in efficiency. Let
little osprey
ml140 rgb elite or toughfan 140 rgb?
potent portal
... stupid fat fingers
little osprey
Going from bronze to gold is about a 5% difference at best in efficiency. Let
I don't just mean PSU but for the entire PC compontents wise
potent portal
You can just power limit high end parts
And they use a lot less power for nearly the same performance
Like if you have a 3090 you don't need to run it at 350W, you can limit it to like 225W
30% less power used and probably only losing about 15-20% performance
If you're in the habit of leaving your pc on and idle all day set an auto sleep mode timer
Buying new parts costs money. Think of it like an investment. Going from $100 of power use monthly to $75 saves you $300 a year. It would take a year to pay off a new PSU and GPU alone. (not real numbers)
little osprey
Buying new parts costs money. Think of it like an investment. Going from $100 of...
I mean
I plan to upgrade anyway
im still the person rocking the 3000G and a 570
[which alr takes more power to achieve mid/low tier performance than other cards]
so im fine spending money now knowing A. I alr want an upgrade and B. said upgrade will now allow me more pwr efficiency and hence less money in the long run
potent portal
The RX 570 uses 150W. That's barely more than a 135W 6600.
And a new cpu will 100% use more power than the 3000g
little osprey
And a new cpu will 100% use more power than the 3000g
I am aware
I want more power than my 3000g while still remaining power efficient is my point
little osprey
The RX 570 uses 150W. That's barely more than a 135W 6600.
same applies here
potent portal
Ok well a 5600 will use 60W more power than the 3000g in a single core workload like gaming
The gap increases with more cores loaded
little osprey
I see
I mean for my workload sometimes, more cores would be, beneficial
which I understand in it of itself, causes more power draw
I'm not looking for less or on par with what I am currently getting
I am looking for what would be better performing, while still being relatively energy efficient vs the competitors, noticing to the here that seems like a stupid question though, so
🤷🏾♀️
potent portal
Right I totally understand wanting better performance, and I just want you to be aware that efficiency doesn't factor into that desire
As far as performance(frames) per watt right now the 5800X3D is the king
little osprey
efficiency doesn't factor into that desire vs my current and that I understand
potent portal
Ok glad we're on the same page then
little osprey
As far as performance(frames) per watt right now the 5800X3D is the king
wb in productivity esc workloads
potent portal
Here's a full comparison chart for all core productivity stuff
potent portal
wb in productivity esc workloads
5950X is best for productivity in particular because more cores
little osprey
Here's a full comparison chart for all core productivity stuff
does newer gen or either intel or amd not do better in this regard? 🤔
little osprey
5950X is best for productivity in particular because more cores
for raw performance right yeah
potent portal
does newer gen or either intel or amd not do better in this regard? 🤔
The 13900k draws 400W in all core loads and the 7950X is power hungry too
potent portal
for raw performance right yeah
No, performance per watt. 16 cores/32 threads and only ~220-230W usage
little osprey
🤔
potent portal
Less than 7W per thread
little osprey
now, gotta be honest here, I also talk from a place of wallets that aint full so, on the more budget spectrum [i7~ max] what'd I be looking at 🥶 💀
potent portal
5700X would be an easy upgrade for you, don't even need to change motherboards
8c/16t still finishes video renders pretty quickly
little osprey
alr, thanks
odd pumice
I have the sudden urge to turn my old ammo can into a nas
thorny flint
whats the difference between the cougar mx 330 and mx 330x
frigid night
whats the difference between the cougar mx 330 and mx 330x
The X doesn't come with a tempered glass side panel. It has a slot for 1 fan on the side. Otherwise, not much else.
thorny flint
so basically the mx 330 better
frigid night
so basically the mx 330 better
Yep
cyan ravine
Can't use that board
You have two options, MSI Pro b550m VDH wifi
Or Asus prime-A b450m II
You need a bios flash button with that cpu and these two are the only budget options afaik
The MSI is the one of those two with wifi
cyan ravine
Do you already have an AM4 cpu
?
Cos if you don't the PC won't boot all the way cos it won't recognise the cpu until the board is updated
velvet yoke
You can borrow a Ryzen 3 and then use the internet update option in Bios. Then you should be able to use the latest GPU.
*CPU
cyan ravine
Yea that would work
But as a standalone new build that cpu is a lot newer than b550
So good chance it's not already on a new enough bios from the factory
thorny flint
Oh ok
cyan ravine
Yeah apart from that, build is reasonable. I would maybe change to a better psu
I'll have a look for one
thorny flint
Ok lmk if u find better one
cyan ravine
Ok lmk if u find better one
Went through and found a few better options
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMGfC6
thorny flint
Alr
cyan ravine
Sorry I thought this was a canadian list, there were a couple things there worth improving
cyan ravine
Also can’t I upgrade bios with a usb?
Not without a flash button, which is why I stressed about the board cos only a handful have them lol
thorny flint
Oh ok
cyan ravine
So $17 more but you get quite a few better options and a bios flash really
So it'll run
thorny flint
Ok ok
cyan ravine
Psu is built a lot better too, it's corsair's only rgb psu but they're an incredibly good performer on these discounts
Lmk if you have any other questions 👍
thorny flint
Alr
frigid night
Went through and found a few better options
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMGfC6
Is the silicon power 512 better than the mp33? It's same price.
frigid night
cyan ravine
Ye same same
frigid night
Ah ok.
frigid night
bro my gigabit internet slow
Have you tried unplugging your router/modem from the wall for 10 minutes then plugging back in?
limber oyster
bro my gigabit internet slow
Are you paying for gigabit internet? Or is that the max your modem can handle
potent portal
@green tapir #build-pics is only for pictures, text gets auto deleted
limber oyster
Is that who it is?
potent portal
That was the last person to have a message in pics deleted so my guess it was a reply ping
limber oyster
Hmmm
little osprey
Rate my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4pZ8C6
Id get the 330g
I think its a bit better
From what I remember
fossil cedar
Rate my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4pZ8C6
Would do this instead, psu you had is bad
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wnP3v3 and stuff
fossil cedar
Went through and found a few better options
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMGfC6
Smh 750w b tier also same price
cyan ravine
Smh 750w b tier also same price
Smh who looks for that on an entry build smh smh
fossil cedar
Smh who looks for that on an entry build smh smh
It's same price kek
Was right under cxf
thorny flint
@cyan ravine I did some research on updating bios
Can’t I do this because I ordered the mother board a while ago and not tryna return
It’s just that I need to update bios to support zen 3 cpu
But they say I need a zen 2 chip to do so
cyan ravine
Can’t I do this because I ordered the mother board a while ago and not tryna ret...
Do you see a button anywhere on it?
Little tiny button or one labelled qflash
thorny flint
Do you see a button anywhere on it?
I’ll check later
cyan ravine
Kk
thorny flint
Oh so not all models have that button?
cyan ravine
Ya
cyan ravine
If it has the button you're fine
fossil cedar
Stop hiding under there
Dam you got me
upper ore
Okay so im going in to see if i can change my ram speeds. How do i know if my board supports XMP?
earnest olive
unless you have some weird oem board, pretty much all aftermarket boards do
some chipsets may have a frequency limit but you can still turn on xmp
for example a 3200c16 kit with xmp on a b460 board will run 2666c16 or 2933c16 depending on cpu
upper ore
for example a 3200c16 kit with xmp on a b460 board will run 2666c16 or 2933c16 d...
My board is the Asus ROG Strix B450-F
earnest olive
yeah, no (artificial) frequency limit
upper ore
Alright so what do i do now? Do i look up how to do this or will you be able to walk me through it?
upper ore
Depending on cpu in it, nothing over 3200 might be stable
Ryzen 7 2700x
fossil cedar
Alright so what do i do now? Do i look up how to do this or will you be able to ...
Go into bios by spam pressing delete when the pc is starting up
Look for DOCP (asus doesn't want to pay tiny tax for xmp name), select a profile
fossil cedar
Ryzen 7 2700x
You know what frequency your ram is?
upper ore
You know what frequency your ram is?
3200
fossil cedar
Yeah should be fine
fossil cedar
Probably ai tweaker or advanced
upper ore
Probably ai tweaker or advanced
Memory frequency?
upper ore
Here's under advanced
upper ore
You can press f9 to search
It said no match when I typed in D.O.C.P
fossil cedar
Ugh
obsidian wigeon
can just mean xmp
fossil cedar
Try press f11
fossil cedar
Og no
upper ore
fossil cedar
I hate asus bios jezus
obsidian wigeon
That's so odd
limber oyster
#build-pics
I'm running an external GPU lol
fossil cedar
Try hit the arrow key on ez system tuning
limber oyster
I actually rather like Asus bios
fossil cedar
Asus bios is one of the worst imo
limber oyster
Go to advanced mode
fossil cedar
Even asrock has better bios
obsidian wigeon
leave ez mode and click main
upper ore
Well asrock is my next board lol
earnest olive
dell bios 😳
upper ore
leave ez mode and click main
obsidian wigeon
this sounds like a bios update is needed
limber oyster
Go to ai tweaker
upper ore
Go to ai tweaker
There is a pic of that screen up higher
obsidian wigeon
limber oyster
this sounds like a bios update is needed
It does, that's a 2018 bios
limber oyster
That's a 2018 bios, not even newer bios
obsidian wigeon
yeah that's pretty old
obsidian wigeon
bios date says 2018
so the board has very old bios
i would suggest updating it
xmp should appear once you update the bios
upper ore
Yeah I don't think I've ever updated my bios. I might have to look that up real quick
limber oyster
obsidian wigeon
but his bios doesn't even have it
limber oyster
It's called D.O.C.P
upper ore
limber oyster
Hmmm
obsidian wigeon
gotta update the bios for sure
limber oyster
Yeah update
upper ore
Alright let me look up how to do that first
fossil cedar
Yeah I don't think I've ever updated my bios. I might have to look that up real ...
Be careful going to the latest one might not be the best bet, might remove support from your motherboard for ryzen 2000 and also sometimes you need to do a few newer but not as new bios updates before you can go to a newer one
fossil cedar
Can do bios update from there
God no bios update threw windows should be last resort
frigid night
Through windows?
through armory crate = through windows
fossil cedar
If your windows bsod's your royally screwed
frigid night
and if you don't have flashback.. well sayanora mobo
upper ore
https://youtu.be/hzmjUPF8OIY can I use this guide?
limber oyster
Keep in mind, I'm also the one who externally mounted a 1050ti...
obsidian wigeon
look at asus
download a manual for your board
and read from there
i wouldn't use a general guide
fossil cedar
Foxy their on ver 1001?
ornate condor
Q-Flash plus is best future for mobos
fossil cedar
fossil cedar
Weird right
little osprey
I am probably going to hear it for this but I picked up a Thermaltake P3 today from Amazon. I got it almost solely because it is wall mountable, and the vertical GPU mounting. Will post pics when I get it done.
fossil cedar
Any specific month/day?
limber oyster
Any specific month/day?
09/27/2018
frigid night
2.17.1246
fossil cedar
@upper ore i would try clearing CMOS first before updating bios
obsidian wigeon
asus weirdness
upper ore
What do I look for in my table of contents for my motherboard?
fossil cedar
Nope that's the American megatrends version
frigid night
Nope that's the American megatrends version
eat me
obsidian wigeon
asus bios naming is so goddamn confusing
look at that, newer bios with 1003 name
tf
fossil cedar
Yep
fossil cedar
<@329463470703771648> i would try clearing CMOS first before updating bios
@upper ore ^
How to clear cmos
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
obsidian wigeon
it's weird how asus does this thing
frigid night
What is confusing you guys?
upper ore
<@329463470703771648> ^
How to clear cmos
<https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/...
Would that guide work for my amd cpu aswell since it's not intel
frigid night
it's obvious he doesn't have the very first bios, but doesn't have the latest.. So him having 1001 confusing you guys is.. well confusing me..
obsidian wigeon
okay this is a headache
upper ore
it's obvious he doesn't have the very first bios, but doesn't have the latest.. ...
Imagine me rn
obsidian wigeon
well cause look at asus bios version naming
fossil cedar
it's obvious he doesn't have the very first bios, but doesn't have the latest.. ...
There is no 1001 version listed
obsidian wigeon
a bunch of random numbers
frigid night
There is no 1001 version listed
probably because it wasn't stable stable so they took it off the site.
frigid night
It's the same for my mobo. There is 1 or 2 bios that are missing in the sequential order.
upper ore
Alright I'm gonna clear my cmos while you guys figure out what's best lol
frigid night
My mobo had a bios when it got to me that wasn't listed on the website.
frigid night
And naming isn't chronological either
What do you mean?
fossil cedar
But they specifically say first release
frigid night
Ok? So his mobo didn't come with first release bios lol
fossil cedar
looks sequential to me.
Oh wait yeah so maybe it was before 1003 and not stable so they removed?
obsidian wigeon
perhaps
fossil cedar
I read the beginning and it says it only applies to Intel based cpu.
That's not true it's universal
obsidian wigeon
update to 1003 then
thanks reor
we did a stupid there lol
1003 sounds like the most reasonable version to update to
frigid night
Oh wait yeah so maybe it was before 1003 and not stable so they removed?
would make sense since 
he doesn't have XMP option. ❤️
obsidian wigeon
do that and if it doesn't work, keep updating step by step until xmp comes on
but stop at 3000 compat version
upper ore
That's not true it's universal
Wtf is a cmos jumper 😅
frigid night
Wtf is a cmos jumper 😅
a flathead screwdriver
kindred pawn
Is here the right place to ask about why my ssd isn't showing up in bios as a bootable drive?
frigid night
xD
obsidian wigeon
you just remove the coin battery on it
fossil cedar
1003 sounds like the most reasonable version to update to
Imo go straight to 1201 since perf improvement
frigid night
Is here the right place to ask about why my ssd isn't showing up in bios as a bo...
here or #storage-devices
obsidian wigeon
hm ok
sounds fair enough
but skipping 1103 sounds bad to me
it's got agesa version update
fossil cedar
it's got agesa version update
They don't say update to x bios so should be fine although 1103 is also okay
upper ore
Is that what I'm looking for?
limber oyster
Yep
frigid night
Is that what I'm looking for?
In the bottom right of that pic
upper ore
frigid night
Do you see the CLRTC header?
upper ore
Do you see the CLRTC header?
Looking one sec
frigid night
Looking one sec
It's 2 prongs. It's in the bottom right of the pic you sent.
upper ore
Yeah I see it
frigid night
Yeah I see it
with your PSU turned off and unplugged.. Press your power button a few times to drain capacitors. Then get a flathead screwdriver and bridge those 2 prongs for about 10 seconds. That will clear your CMOS
Clear CMOS = reset BIOS
upper ore
So I don't even need touch the battery like the guide says?
frigid night
So I don't even need touch the battery like the guide says?
Correct.
upper ore
Weird
frigid night
That's the hard way to do it lol
upper ore
What's different between the 2?
upper ore
with your PSU turned off and unplugged.. Press your power button a few times to ...
So I just have to do this?
potent portal
Yep
frigid night
So I just have to do this?
yep, make sure you are getting solid contact between both pins
I generally do 10 seconds. Could go 20 for good measure xD
potent portal
Some screwdrivers have a clear coating that prevents it from being conductive so if you have trouble try something else metal
frigid night
So I just have to do this?
actually, it looks like you aren't making contact with that right pin in this pic.
what I do is put the flathead in between then I twist slightly to make contact with both pins.
don't twist a lot.. that could ruin the pins.
upper ore
I just went and got a bigger one lol
frigid night
😛 that oughta be good then.
upper ore
Alright what now
ornate condor
I just went and got a bigger one lol
Why russian word on strix mobo lol 
frigid night
Now that you've done that.. You can turn your PSU back on and get into BIOS and see if you XMP option has appeared. IF not then you'll want to update BIOS. I would go to 1103 first.
frigid night
Is that a good sign? Lol I haven't seen that in awhile
means your BIOS was reset to stock.
hallow glen
Do I press f1 or enter?
you need a new windows install
frigid night
you need a new windows install
Why are you telling him that?
hallow glen
do you still have the usb?
hallow glen
Why are you telling him that?
u said it was wiped lol
frigid night
u said it was wiped lol
No?
frigid night
reset to stock
If you read, you'll see that we are talking about bios
hallow glen
thats the wrong thing
potent portal
Weird it's usually on the left there under the memory config
frigid night
XMP is much easier to find there
Idk if you were lurking, but XMP wasn't showing up in his BIOS, so before having him update to 1103, we were having him try a CMOS clear.
Just to make sure.
upper ore
So what's the verdict?
potent portal
I came in right as that was mentioned but it's still weird lol
frigid night
I however, have to get goingg to check on an application for a job that pays $23 an hour. I'll be back soonish. It's only 2 blocks away.
frigid night
So what's the verdict?
Since your BIOS isn't listed on the website, I can only assume that this is the reason why. Update to 1103 and go from there.
potent portal
That bios is from 2018 too, almost from the manufacture date
frigid night
That bios is from 2018 too, almost from the manufacture date
yeah
upper ore
So what do I go to update the bios?
potent portal
So what do I go to update the bios?
I looked over the notes for each bios version and it looks like you can go straight to the newest version from august this year. https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/ROG-STRIX-B450-F-GAMING-ASUS-4901.zip
I saw no indication of older CPUs losing support on newer versions like some other boards
Besides Zen+ usually doesn't lose support even on those boards
upper ore
This is being so weird it keeps telling me administrator permissions to download the update to my os drive. But I am the admin lol
fossil cedar
Yeah I'd download latest version from here, put it on a usb in the root folder, while you're at it, update your amd drivers from here before updating bios
Drivers
https://www.amd.com/en/support
Bios
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_bios/
Then you just need to go into bios and find the update function
potent portal
Windows 10 I'm guessing? @upper ore
upper ore
Windows 10 I'm guessing? <@329463470703771648>
Yes
potent portal
There's the AMD drivers pato mentioned https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd_chipset_software_4.09.23.507.exe
upper ore
So i need to download it to a flash drive not my os drive?
potent portal
The AMD drivers you'll install once you download. The bios update goes on the USB after you extract it.
upper ore
There's the AMD drivers pato mentioned https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd_chips...
This showed up when i clicked on the driver
potent portal
Oops forgot they don't like direct links
Select the driver from that page
It's the chipset
upper ore
This one
potent portal
Yes
upper ore
It keeps telling me this when i try to put it on my Os drive
potent portal
You're trying to save it to the root of the drive which is very dangerous and Windows will block you from doing
You need to save it in a folder like your downloads or desktop
upper ore
Its on my desktop now what
potent portal
Run it and follow the steps, defaults are fine
upper ore
I just opened it and it looks like its installing
How long does this take lol
Nvm its done
@potent portal Do i install all checked boxes?
frigid night
How long does this take lol
forever 
potent portal
<@396513761550270464> Do i install all checked boxes?
Whichever ones are checked by default, it'll only install what you need
upper ore
Whichever ones are checked by default, it'll only install what you need
Alright im installing them
I wonder if i have time for a shower lol
With how out of date im guessing this thing is its gonna be awhile
potent portal
It'll finish in a few minutes but you can set it aside for now and come back later
potent portal
Good. Do so.
upper ore
Now I need a flash drive for the bios stuff right?
This might be interesting trying to find one that doesn't already have stuff on it that I can't take off.
potent portal
You don't need a clean one, just a few MB of space
upper ore
Good. Do so.
Alright im back up and running what now
potent portal
Extract the bios update to a usb
upper ore
Extract the bios update to a usb
Alright im gonna try and find a usb lol
I should install the version 4901 right?
potent portal
Yeah I don't see anything that says you can't just jump to the latest
upper ore
It shouldnt cause any problems jumping that far?
potent portal
I doubt it would but if you want to play it safe you can go a year at a time
Which means doing 4 separate flashes
upper ore
Which means doing 4 separate flashes
Yeah im probably gonna do the risky ish one i doubt i have 4 different flashes lol
upper ore
Im just gonna do the newest one if you think it wont cause any problems
potent portal
It should be fine, I've jumped a few years before with no issues
Some motherboards will specify "must update to version XXXX before installing this update" but yours says no such thing
frigid night
Do i leave it in WinRaR form?
extract the file to your usb
upper ore
extract the file to your usb
Is that all of it?
potent portal
All you need out of it is the cap file
Copy that to the usb and go back to the bios
upper ore
So delete the BIOSRenamer
potent portal
Yeah it's not needed so you can delete
stoic island
Biosrenamer is just for if you're using flashback
potent portal
Yeah, funny they even include it for boards that don't have that
potent portal
If I remember right the update section is under tools, not an asus user lol
potent portal
ez flash
upper ore
potent portal
It'll probably pop up a window where you select the bios file to update with
Storage device
upper ore
Do I just select the rog-strix one
potent portal
Yes the cap file
upper ore
potent portal
yes
upper ore
potent portal
It looks like the file ended up in your boot partition but that's fine
Yes looks right
upper ore
It's processing rn
potent portal
It'll take a few minutes, don't unplug it or turn off power
upper ore
It looks like the file ended up in your boot partition but that's fine
Idk it was on a flash drive that my mom had in her office. I checked to see if any of it was important documents but it didn't look like it. It just had 2 files on it
frigid night
I'm surprised it didn't go to a screen that says not to unplug PC or Turn off as well as saying that it locked the mouse and keyboard input lol
frigid night
Idk it was on a flash drive that my mom had in her office. I checked to see if a...
Did you maybe accidentally extract to your boot drive?
upper ore
It said update successfull and is restarting
No I switched it because it wasn't letting access it
What now
upper ore
Ik but what now
frigid night
Essentially you just cleared your CMOS, but by Removing the old BIOS and putting in new BIOS
upper ore
F1?
potent portal
Looks like it was successful
frigid night
Ik but what now
check your BIOS out to see if you have XMP
potent portal
upper ore
potent portal
Yep go back in and check that EZ mode F7 menu for XMP (Asus calls it DOCP)
upper ore
I think I see it
potent portal
Perfect, set that on
upper ore
It just says profile#1
potent portal
ok
potent portal
Enjoy your free performance upgrade
potent portal
If you're changing motherboards, processors, or memory, yes
upper ore
Also fal-cie do you know why my gpu fans are not spinning if I don't manually go in and start them with GPU TWEAK 3?
potent portal
They probably have a 0 rpm mode where it doesn't spin unless it's needed (in use like gaming)
upper ore
Is that good should I leave it on auto or set it to something manually?
potent portal
It saves the fan life to do it that way, as long as it's not getting too hot it's fine
upper ore
It saves the fan life to do it that way, as long as it's not getting too hot it'...
I just don't want it to get to hot
potent portal
What model is it?
potent portal
Shouldn't get too hot if it's working right. I'd guess it stays under 65 at full load.
Heat isn't a problem until it's over 80C
upper ore
It's currently at 39c with no fans running
potent portal
Totally normal
upper ore
And no games or anything open
potent portal
Mine don't kick on until 45C and others don't until 50C
upper ore
Okay I was worried I messed something up when I took it out to clean the dust out
potent portal
You can test it using 3dmark time spy and it'll tell you the max temp it hits
upper ore
Is this when it turns the fans on?
potent portal
Yeah looks like it's set to kick on at 55C
upper ore
Is that good or should I change it?
potent portal
And it doesn't even go to 100%
Strix is a good model for cooling, it'll be fine.
These things are designed to run at 90C 24/7
upper ore
Strix is a good model for cooling, it'll be fine.
That's one of the reasons why I love strixs lol
frigid night
These things are designed to run at 90C 24/7
man, my Aorus Master runs 92c hotspot when I game 😛
potent portal
Newer ones can go higher
upper ore
Thank you so much you guys! @potent portal @frigid night @fossil cedar @obsidian wigeon I should be running better than ever now!
frigid night
Thank you so much you guys! <@396513761550270464> <@913267599779971133> <@191276...
You are most welcome sir!
Enjoy!
Overclocking when?!
upper ore
Newer ones can go higher
Im just wondering about this new MSI im getting
frigid night
XD
upper ore
Overclocking when?!
Nah im moving to a new pc soon ish. I dont think its need on this one
frigid night
Nah im moving to a new pc soon ish. I dont think its need on this one
Will be a perfect PC to learn how to overclock on then 😛
upper ore
Will be a perfect PC to learn how to overclock on then 😛
Maybe and i mean maybe i will after the other one is built and useable lol
And you best believe i would be coming back here if i decide to lol
potent portal
Im just wondering about this new MSI im getting
Just because the max temp is higher and it's allowed to go higher doesn't mean it will
upper ore
Just because the max temp is higher and it's *allowed* to go higher doesn't mean...
Did you see my dm from a while back about the motherboard? Im kinda stuck on if i should change the color scheme lol
potent portal
It's up to you really, if it doesn't bother you much then there's little reason
upper ore
This is it
upper ore
It's up to you really, if it doesn't bother you much then there's little reason
It shouldnt be to bad but the gpu would stick out alot with its graphite color. I might look around for some closer to the colors but if not i might just stick with the same. But also thank you for the help with the build suggestions it was a huge help!
frigid night
This is it
oo I like. What mobo is that?
upper ore
oo I like. What mobo is that?
Asrock B550 steel legend AM4
frigid night
Asrock B550 steel legend AM4
oh you are going with AMD?
upper ore
Yup I already have the cpu, gpu, and the board
upper ore
oh you are going with AMD?
Ryzen 7 5800X3D Fal'Cie said its really good for what it is.
frigid night
Ryzen 7 5800X3D Fal'Cie said its really good for what it is.
for sure.
I'm just an intel/nvidia fan girl.
potent portal
Still keeps up with the 13900k in a lot of games for 1/3 the power
upper ore
There he is lol
frigid night
ah. but performance wise.. It's on par with 12600k?
upper ore
Still keeps up with the 13900k in a lot of games for 1/3 the power
Why do they have to have so many numbers? I lose track of the models easily when they are like that lol
potent portal
Passmark isn't gaming, they're production focused
frigid night
ah
stoic island
Do remember passmark's overall score is for multicore
frigid night
even the single core is 800 more than the amd
upper ore
Intel is way to expensive lol
frigid night
in regards to passmark, but I didn't know they weren't really geared towards gaming.
frigid night
Intel is way to expensive lol
12600k is cheaper than the cpu you are looking at.
stoic island
Iirc it does use avx so
potent portal
frigid night
tbh, I don't even know what AVX is.
stoic island
And well, most straight up single thread benchmarks don't care about cache
Games do
frigid night
ah ok
stoic island
tbh, I don't even know what AVX is.
Acceleration method
frigid night
Well.. even though I mostly do gaming, I'm glad I went with Intel 😛
potent portal
13900k with DDR4 effectively ties with the 5800X3D, and using the more expensive DDR5 gets a full 10 more fps lol
upper ore
Holy crap they ran a test with a 4090 paired with it?
potent portal
Have to test that with as little bottleneck as possible
potent portal
With any lower tier gpu the margin will be even smaller at 1440p
stoic island
For a CPU benchmark, you don't want to be GPU bound
upper ore
1080p for reference, similar results
Except I'll be playing with a 3080 and on a 1440p
Should still be running extremely smooth!
potent portal
Yeah so there's not going to be any real world difference between a 13900k and a much cheaper 5800X3D
upper ore
Yeah so there's not going to be any real world difference between a 13900k and a...
Did you know that AMD doesn't send their wraith's out with the CPU's anymore? Because I didn't
The last time I got one of their cpu's it came with one.
potent portal
The Ryzen 7 and higher don't yeah
I think they're offering the option of a 5600X with or without the cooler
upper ore
I remember my ryzen 7 2700x having one.
potent portal
Yeah, the newer R7 I mean
upper ore
Shot I think I still have it in a box and I don't use it lol
upper ore
Yeah, the newer R7 I mean
Ahh makes since
fossil cedar
Thank you so much you guys! <@396513761550270464> <@913267599779971133> <@191276...
Glad to help
reef moss
@mossy venture My monitor came in but now the game looks more pixelated than my other monitor. Halp
or anyone help lol
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> My monitor came in but now the game looks more pixelated t...
I'm at work and I'm absolutely slammed right now, sorry
reef moss
All good
upper ore
<@654444344274845698> My monitor came in but now the game looks more pixelated t...
What monitor did you get? And are you using hdmi?
reef moss
Yeah I'm using hdmi
And it's the Gigabyte G something with KVM
@upper ore yeah the M32Q
maybe my graphics card isnt good enough for it?
upper ore
Alright give me a minute to get to my pc and I'll see what I can do. But no promises
reef moss
Sweet thank you
upper ore
And it's the Gigabyte G something with KVM
Is it the 165hz one?
reef moss
yep
upper ore
Whats your graphics card? Just so that i can get all the info as possible. Not ruling out that its the graphics card or anything
reef moss
Nvidia GeForce RTX 1030....
I run valorant at 80fps on high graphics it just doesnt look HD on this monitor
on my lil 27 inch it looks good
upper ore
1030?
reef moss
Yeah haha
like a 80 dollar GPU from a prebuild years ago
I have an old omen prebuild that im saving to upgrade
upper ore
Do you mean gtx not rtx?
upper ore
Yeah im not anywhere near as smart as these guys with this stuff but that just seems like your graphic card cant put out.
upper ore
got this pc when that was the best GPU
No way
reef moss
Yeah this was in like 2017
upper ore
https://www.amazon.com/gtx-1030/s?k=gtx+1030 Something like these?
upper ore
If it was back in the 2017 im pretty sure the GTX 1070 was out in 2016. Theres no way that card was the best during that time. But anyways thats not the problem rn.
upper ore
Im saving up 1800 so I can buy a new pc
There it is did you originally get the idea of this monitor from bacca when you were planning on getting the new pc?
reef moss
Yeah
reef moss
If it was back in the 2017 im pretty sure the GTX 1070 was out in 2016. Theres n...
Who ever helped me out in 2017 may have scammed me lol
upper ore
Yeah i dont think he planned on you plugging that into your GT 1030
upper ore
So what im guessing your monitor is trying to downgrade itself to be able to run with the specs of your gpu. Theres another way of putting that but i cant think of what it is rn.
reef moss
Ill have to wait till I get my new build haha
earnest olive
got this pc when that was the best GPU
the 1030 was absolutely not ever the best gpu
the first cards of a generation to come out are always the high end cards, gtx 1080 was out before gt 1030
not to mention gt 1030 loses to many of the older 600, 700, and 900 series cards regardless
you would need to go back 15 years for the gt 1030 to be beating flagship cards of 2007
the first non-SLI consumer gaming card to surpass GT 1030 performance would be the GTX 280 on 6/16/2008
stoic island
What happened to your i3
