building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

not how refresh rates work

[obsidian wigeon]

how do you not notice over 60 fps

[muted carbon]

you would find a very big different

between 144hz and 60hz

it feels heavenly

when i switched from 60hz to 144hz

[strong raft]

Someday 1000hz and we cna finally get input latency like a crt might've had, or something like that. . I will say, even just 120hz is so nice VS 60. Still getting used to it.

[obsidian wigeon]

i can still notice 80 over 60

easily enough

[jagged ember]

I still notice 60 on desktop

[muted carbon]

bro maybe with 100m hz we can see the future

[jagged ember]

so much skipping

[analog pulsar]

I was playing in 60hz for a week

💀

[jagged ember]

no soda makes you see faster

[smoky schooner]

Quantum computer lol

[obsidian wigeon]

It's called

You didn't try it

[analog pulsar]

I did try it

It was set to 170hz before reset

[obsidian wigeon]

It also depends on the game tbh

If it can achieve that high fps

[jagged ember]

cod it doesn't even matter

you die too quick anyways

[analog pulsar]

Be even desktop screen I can't tell

[mossy venture]

that-

ok

sell your monitors

[jagged ember]

when you get lasered by someone at 5 miles with an xm4 with no recoil

[analog pulsar]

Okay only place I notice is is when I scroll discord very fast

Back and forth through my servers

[jagged ember]

so you do notice

smh

[analog pulsar]

But not enough

[analog pulsar]

LOL

[solar osprey]

Hey I need some help I’m confused,,,

[tidal moth]

@solar osprey what’s up?

How can I help

[solar osprey]

Alright so I’m very very VERY new to computer specs and such, I bought this acer gaming laptop of Amazon and it said it was 4.6 ghz , and I am now starting to realize that instead of it being intel icore7 4.6ghz it says intel icore7 2.30 ghz,

Am I doing something wrong? Am I able to fix this problem somehow? Or did I get scammed by the company
(Once again I’m very new to specs and such so please cope with me)

@tidal moth

I can’t really send images since it’s disabled in this chat

[tidal moth]

Okay so cpu clocks are a fluid thing

They depend on the load

And the temperature

So

When you play a game your cpu will “turbo” essentially upclock when it needs the performance and down clock to save battery

So it will boost to its temperature limit

Essentially it can boost up to 4.7

[solar osprey]

Oh I see

[tidal moth]

4.6 rather

But it won’t when it needs to save the battery

[solar osprey]

But can I send you a picture in dms of what I am talking about?

[tidal moth]

Because it takes more power to go faster

Sure

[mossy venture]

That's the boost clock, if it were to run at 4.6 constantly it would not be good for heat, health of the laptop, or usability

[brittle tinsel]

Im looking for a logical way to connect 5 computers via ethernet while also maintaining internet service to each one.
our internet box only has 4 lan and 1 wan, so if we split the 5 computers across 2 modems, we cant all participate in a lan game I.E. 7 days to die, minecraft, cod zombies, or any other Lan capable games.

[frigid night]

Might be a better way, but the solution to me would be to get a modem that supports more ethernet.

[brittle tinsel]

our terrible (another word in mind) service provider is still using like first generation dsl that we havent found modems for that dont cost as much as a car down payment, they are quite pricey

[frigid night]

But.. shouldn't you be able to play lan if you bridged the 2 modems?

[brittle tinsel]

never heard of that

[frigid night]

https://support.bluos.net/hc/en-us/articles/360000220927-Can-I-connect-two-routers-to-the-same-network-with-the-same-network-name-#:~:text=Set the Internet Gateway of,to create a wired connection.

[brittle tinsel]

thanks, ill check it out

another thing that may become an issue is the 2 router/modem combos provided by the company, tend to flip flop dying, so in like 2 hour intervals they just pick one to lose connection for about a half hour. quite annoying honestly

[frigid night]

Sounds like you just need a new modem. Might be worth the money to pick one up since..

1. Yours suck
2. You need more ethernet ports anyways.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[brittle tinsel]

I wouldnt mind how you meant it, they really do suck.

[hasty grail]

guys what mobo is this?

[tidal moth]

Lenovo

Socket 775 maybe

[olive cypress]

M8400t is7xm

[tidal moth]

Prebuilt

[olive cypress]

Yep

[strong raft]

I didn't see a simple switch mentioned. Look into that.

[hasty grail]

thank yall

[tawny violet]

EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 GT 80 Plus Gold 1000W
For a Ryzen 5800X and 3080
Yay or nay?

[flint sapphire]

could get away with a 850 watt ez

up to you though

[cyan ravine]

1000W def overkill

[fossil cedar]

Yes but i wouldn't get a GT, G6 1000w or 850w g6 atm are the best ones to get if you're in the US anyway

[quasi wasp]

Guys I did it I built the ultimate pc

[fossil cedar]

Mhm

[quasi wasp]

I can't send the picture but trust me it's amazing

[empty pollen]

impossible

this is the ultimate pc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7zM2W4

(borrowed from bacca san)

[stoic island]

Bad SSD and a pretty meh case :p

[empty pollen]

😛

[stoic island]

Just spam the 8tb rocket 4 plus smh

[empty pollen]

yeah should have the haf case from cooler master as well xD

[mossy venture]

G6 850

[tawny violet]

if it's not available to buy here

cuz it ain't

[icy terrace]

That is almost 10 grand holy

[tidal moth]

Nah hard tube water cool you add like 500

Might as well

[tawny violet]

I can throw a list together that would easily top it

pfft, 10 thousand?
Try 30 thousand of hardware in a single tower bruh 😄

[twin sedge]

Alright guys im doing a final build revision since im probably getting the parts later today, is there anything I absolutely need to change. Im not doing a ram or gpu upgrade https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bGgH78

[fossil cedar]

What country?

[mossy venture]

Could spend a little bit extra to get a better mobo and wifi card https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p9HKKp

[tawny violet]

Hungary

we don't have Newegg, Bestbuy and so on

[tidal moth]

What vendor do you use?

[tawny violet]

German Amazon is... Unreliable at best

[twin sedge]

Whats wrong with the current mobo tho?

[tawny violet]

usually doesn't actually deliver

[icy terrace]

Not bad but a h610 is fine with a 12100f

However you get limited if you wanna upgrade higher up for another Alder lake cpu

B660 is the better option

[twin sedge]

Right now i just really need to get a pc for as cheap as possible and then in a few years ill upgrade everything

[icy terrace]

In a couple years, there will be much better options

[fossil cedar]

Would do this for 10$ more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FyNjBj

[twin sedge]

The thing is i dont have a b&h anywhere near me

And the shipping price is gonna be absurd

[fossil cedar]

Wifi cards in matx boards are very awkward

[mossy venture]

You're in the US, right?

[twin sedge]

Yep

[icy terrace]

This year is 13th gen, so if intel puts out new gens each year it would be 16th or 15th

[mossy venture]

Have you looked at the shipping prices?

[mossy venture]

Yes, but the b660 has wifi included and it's better

All around

[icy terrace]

If you want you can use Ethernet or a wifi adapter

[mossy venture]

Dude

Nvm, you're not the one buying

Not worth the effort

[twin sedge]

Is it free for orders over a certain price?

[fossil cedar]

Just free shipping on that case

Afaik

[twin sedge]

Oh then yeah ill get the cougar

[fossil cedar]

Wifi cards on matx boards give you a strict limit of 2 slot gpus which is a pain you don't have to deal with, getting the built in is 5$ more plus a better mobo

[twin sedge]

Whats the difference between the mx 330 and 330g

[fossil cedar]

Not much, but the 330g air comes with 3 fans instead of 1 or 2 can't remember

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[frank stirrup]

@frigid night #build-pics message

I hope you step on a lego for that omne'

[weary galleon]

rgb fan for cpu cooler?

or maybe led light bars

[mossy venture]

Rgb strips

P12 argb

[tidal moth]

Or get rgb fans

140s

[fossil cedar]

Just replace the noctua fan with an arctic p12 rgb, same with case fans if you want

[tidal moth]

Strap them on there

[fossil cedar]

Or p14 rgb yeah

Ye

Case/cpu fans are the easiest replace standard thing

[jagged ember]

pretty much anywhere you want

you just stick it to stuff

[frigid night]

Wherever you think it would look good. You are the one that gets to admire it the most after all.

[stuck juniper]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/CHhJgb

[mossy venture]

H212 is not a good heatsink

It's old and overpriced

No need for that mobo, can just get a pro vdh wifi if it's cheap

aside from that looks fine

[stuck juniper]

What do u recommend

20-40 euros

[mossy venture]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qdrfnt

[fossil cedar]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gzsC4s

[final widget]

https://newegg.io/fa7bd05

i wanna deck out this pc with a budget of around $2200 Lmk if there’s anything wrong with this custom build

[cyan ravine]

Are you overclocking at all?

[final widget]

probly not since i’m just starting to get into pcs

[cyan ravine]

Ok so I would change a lot of this then

2200 is a lot more than this type of build could actually cost too

[final widget]

what would you change

[cyan ravine]

What kind of stuff will you be doing with this pc?

[mossy venture]

im making a list rn

[cyan ravine]

Gaming? Editing? Streaming?

[final widget]

i want 2tb and a good frame rate on most games and some video editing on after effects

[cyan ravine]

Ok so about where I think this list should land will be with 32gb ram, 12700F and a 3080 12gb

It should only cost some 1600-1800 as well

Not 2200

[potent portal]

Could get a nice 1440p high refresh monitor with the rest of the budget

[cyan ravine]

(Waiting for forg to make it lol)

[mossy venture]

wait

ignore that

do you care about rgb?

[final widget]

also i really like the 4000d airflow and if it’s not good i won’t get it but i’m willing to spend a bit more if it’s not good for the price or what ever

i just want rob fans idc about rgb ram

rgb*

[mossy venture]

if you like it its good, imo g360a is a better buy rn but 4000d airflow is still a great case

[potent portal]

4000D airflow is good and you can toss a few RGB fans in if you want

[mossy venture]

mhm, p12 argb or p14 argb

if you want 2tb of ssd storage, id do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FWrC4s

otherwise could swtich to 1tb p31 and 4tb hdd if you need a lot of storage

or just the 1tb ssd

[cyan ravine]

I would change the ram to 3200, no guarantee it runs in gear 1 due to SA voltages

[mossy venture]

nah, 3600 is fine on a 12700f

4000 is where it gets iffy

[cyan ravine]

< 1st hand experience of it not working

[mossy venture]

thats just unlucky then tbh

[potent portal]

CPU must have had a really bad IMC

[cyan ravine]

I think sips said it in here before too

[final widget]

is water cooling better in anything besides looks because i don’t really like how air cooling looks

[mossy venture]

i mean, you could throw in a liquid freezer ii 280 if you wanted

[final widget]

id be willing to spend like $100 more

[mossy venture]

or clc 280, but youd want to replace fans with p14s

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xNvFbK

clc isnt on sale anymore, ignore that part

itll get better cpu temps, but with a locked cpu tbh it wont matter much. Won't make a huge difference

[potent portal]

Maybe throw in the TG contact frame if tiji is comfortable working with bare pins, that'll help keep the CPU temps under control

[final widget]

honestly i’m very new to this stuff but really want a cool/good pc so thank you guys because i’ve been worried about different things not working together and i don’t want to get a prebuilt

[potent portal]

Smart move not going prebuilt, the high end ones are almost all total ripoffs

[final widget]

also i already have a monitor/kbm

[mossy venture]

ah

what monitor?

[final widget]

idc the name but it’s 144hz and full res

[mossy venture]

1080p?

or 1440p

[final widget]

1080

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pqzhP6/phanteks-eclipse-g360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dbk02 also what do you think of this case?

[mossy venture]

with a 3080, i would recommend a 1440p monitor

[final widget]

what hz?

[mossy venture]

g27q is 144hz

1440p

[potent portal]

I do 1440p 165Hz and I'm constantly above that in fps

[mossy venture]

with my 3060 ti, the most demanding game ive played was cold war

[potent portal]

In nearly every game I play

[mossy venture]

not including rtx, with settings on max, i hit 140 consistently at 1080p

[final widget]

i’m sure the pc will be overkill but starting with that i’ll eventually upgrade more and more

is 1440 necessary to get my moneys worth with a 3080?

[mossy venture]

i mean, yes and no?

[potent portal]

You're losing some of the benefit of a top tier GPU by not using it's full power

[mossy venture]

the thing is the rest of the budget won't get you much extra perf, so I'd spend the rest of the budget on a g27q

[oak jay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6sxbTn are there any big issues with this build?

[potent portal]

You can make 1080p look better and use the GPU more using DSR to scale it down

[final widget]

okay

[mossy venture]

theres some slight tweaks id make, but technichally speaking everything will work

[cyan ravine]

You can make some savings there but it's not bad

[oak jay]

like what

[mossy venture]

h510 flow is just a bit overpriced for what it is, id get p14s instead of those fans

pro vdh wifi b550 insted of that mobo

[oak jay]

its for my brother and he likes the case and dosnt mind overpaying

[mossy venture]

ill just change them, one sec

[oak jay]

alright

[final widget]

i want a 4000d with rgb fans 32 gb of ram and 2tb also water cooling is the 3080 overkill?

or is it worth it aslong as i have a better monitor?

[mossy venture]

water cooling a 3080 is pointless for you

[final widget]

how so?

[mossy venture]

it just wont make a difference

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QZXBGL

What why

[final widget]

i do plan on getting a better monitor

[mossy venture]

their brother wants the h510 flow, and considering itisnt the regular or elite its fine

[cyan ravine]

Oh

Fixed it

[oak jay]

i made the mistake of buying the normal h510

[final widget]

but why is water cooling bad? since i can get a build for cheaper i want to have water cooling for looks

since i have a high budget

[mossy venture]

here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MWzxRv

[oak jay]

is there a different between the se-214 and the se-224?

[cyan ravine]

Water cooling isn't bad

[mossy venture]

water cooling a gpu just isn't very doable, not easily or cheaply

youre looking at 3k+ to watercool

and its only worth it if youre already buying a 12900ks and 6950xt

[mossy venture]

@oak jay

[oak jay]

thanks

[final widget]

excuse me not knowing anything about this stuff but are you talking cpu cooling or something else

[oak jay]

is this gpu a bad option?

[mossy venture]

liquid cooling a gpu is very different from cpu

[oak jay]

for $525

[mossy venture]

it has very bad cooling

[oak jay]

alright

[final widget]

sorry i think i said it wrong i meant water cooling for the cpu

[mossy venture]

i put an aio in there for the cpu

[oak jay]

whats the difference between the g skill ram and the corsair ram?

[mossy venture]

in the list for you

[mossy venture]

corsair doesnt make good ram

if unlucky, youll get a kit with mixed dies

meaning it wont even run xmp

[oak jay]

alright

[mossy venture]

$5 more for the gaurantee is worth it

[oak jay]

seems like i did everything wrong with my build two years ago lmfao

[mossy venture]

i didnt spell that right

[oak jay]

i got an h510, msi gpu, corsair ram

[mossy venture]

dw, i promise you i did worse

msi is fine

just not the ventus 2x

[oak jay]

i have the ventus 2x

🙂

[mossy venture]

F

[oak jay]

i wasnt too smart but also it was mid gpu shortage so it was what i could get

my laptop died and i paid 600 bucks for a 3060 ti

[mossy venture]

i promise you i did worse with my build

[oak jay]

you can laugh

[mossy venture]

i essentially paid $1200 for a 3060 ti, 3600, and 1tb ssd

[oak jay]

oof

[potent portal]

You can still use the ventus without losing performance by undervolting it, so it runs cooler and boosts higher

[oak jay]

whats the difference between these?

[mossy venture]

not much

for a 5600, 214xt is perfectly fine

[oak jay]

im gonna go with the se-224 if thats not a bad idea

[mossy venture]

if you want, but not much of a point

theyre very similar

[final widget]

what’s the best aio with rgb?

[cyan ravine]

Lf2

[mossy venture]

liquid freezer ii 280 argb

[oak jay]

also would it improve things to go with an atx motherboard?

[cyan ravine]

If you want more rgb, galahad or ek

[potent portal]

You guys are fast lol, I can't keep up with my stupid autocorrect happy phone

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mfxmmr this one

[mossy venture]

i type surprisingly fast on my phone

[frigid night]

"autocorrect"

[mossy venture]

last i checked smthn like 90wpm

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

[cyan ravine]

Perfect answer lol

[final widget]

this is perfect

i’m gonna buy the monitor separately tho

[mossy venture]

kk

[final widget]

tysm

[cyan ravine]

Wth it played 2 different gifs until I scrolled up

[potent portal]

Discord being discordant I guess

[cyan ravine]

But then some other one with a guy blowing a kiss

[frigid night]

LOL

Falcie be low key blowin everyone kisses

[cyan ravine]

It's gone I can't screenshot it wtf haha

Secret flirting

[frigid night]

haha

https://tenor.com/view/love-ted-blow-kiss-flying-kiss-teddy-bear-gif-15751071

[final widget]

it says “Note: The ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard.
Disclaimer: Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance.”
can someone explain pls😭

[mossy venture]

itll come with it

[final widget]

oh ok

[mossy venture]

unless you somehow get stock from almost a year ago

[frigid night]

Older stock used to not, but that's pretty well all gone. You'll get it.

[final widget]

alr thanks

[mossy venture]

i think ima put the parts i have for my rebuild together

it feels weird just having them sitting around

[final widget]

what’s a good monitor that’s 24 inch

[frigid night]

are you going for 1080p or 1440p?

[final widget]

1440p

[mossy venture]

1440p 24in monitors dont make much sense

[frigid night]

then I'd go 27inch G27Q

[cyan ravine]

They also barely exist anymore at high refresh

[final widget]

alr

what’s the deal with curved monitors

are they better

[frigid night]

Not really. Curved monitors are generally VA panels which have worse viewing angles than an IPS panel

[cyan ravine]

Curved so that it's always at the same view distance to your face based on where yoy should sit

But i wouldn't say better

Just QoL option if anything

[frigid night]

Ideally you'll want to get IPS, having said that I have both, and like both.

[mossy venture]

some people like curved, others don't

just personal preference for the most part

[flint sapphire]

just buy oled

[cyan ravine]

Or qled

Do a me and rock an fv43u

[flint sapphire]

damn you're rocking one of those?

[jagged ember]

just sounds like a swear word

[cyan ravine]

Haha

[cyan ravine]

Yeah ditched triple screen and I don't regret

New meta

[frigid night]

what is that?

nvmm

i like my 3 monitors

[cyan ravine]

I got way more desk space, a bit less screen budget and no more nvidia driver issues every time I update lol

[flint sapphire]

im out here with a tn OMEN X 24.5 and a ips XG270QG

[frigid night]

issues?

[cyan ravine]

Surround would always bug out

[frigid night]

oh

myself.. G27Q/G32QC/HP 27m

[forest briar]

Hp omen 27ips

[frigid night]

the 27m was $70 on clearance. marked down by like 60%

[cyan ravine]

Ooo

[flint sapphire]

I guess the omen listing on best buy is weird... its actually https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/hp/omen-x-25f

[cyan ravine]

The rtings review way of saying mid

[flint sapphire]

The best of the TN panels tho

[cyan ravine]

I like the aesthetics tho, destiny vibes

[flint sapphire]

this is my main monitor tho https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/viewsonic/elite-xg270qg

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I latched on to that viewsonic one

That's a nice one

[flint sapphire]

the color on the omen is so finicky

[forest briar]

On the 27ips it’s outstanding

[flint sapphire]

its almost always too warm

[forest briar]

Color modes can fix that too

Manual tuning is a nice feature

[frigid night]

Sheesh

[frank stirrup]

I hate it

[potent portal]

You can't hate something so perfect though. I wish my circuits were so neatly arranged and compact.

[frank stirrup]

[runic spruce]

What case is that?

[frigid night]

No idea

[runic spruce]

Probably a custom case

[wide sparrow]

I like it

Very exposed but who cares

[flint sapphire]

Looks like a motif monument

Weird niche case

[frigid night]

I'm all focused on the giant fan/heatsink while yall focused on the case lol

[weary galleon]

Yeah it's pretty large

Maybe partially because it needs to clear the ram and bend the heatpipes around to get the fan in that orientation idk

[flint sapphire]

https://www.amazon.com/quiet-BK031-cooler-Intel-1200-AMD-AM4/dp/B09BCWPG1S/ref=asc_df_B09BCWPG1S/?

I’m pretty sure that’s it

[fossil cedar]

Ahh yes the team fortress 2

[flint sapphire]

Ah yes

[potent portal]

I was thinking more along the lines of "the F" but team fortress works

[strong raft]

Nearly $300 for that, big yikes. I was more irked by psu & gpu fighting eachother for air but oh well.

[cyan ravine]

Yeah these open cases aren't cheap lol

[fossil cedar]

But why have a LP cooler in a open case lol

Interesting design tho

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/you-just-dont-understand-economics-chef-south-park-s7e7-red-mans-greed-gif-22098547

[cyan ravine]

Form over function moment tbh

Kinda agree tho an AK620 would look fine there proportionally speaking

[fossil cedar]

Clc 280

[cyan ravine]

But even if it was like a 5600X the wraith cooler is good enough

[frank stirrup]

Cl280 ram wha

[fossil cedar]

Clc 280 by evga

[frank stirrup]

3vga makes cl 280 ram?

Reee

[fossil cedar]

Yes ddr8

[frank stirrup]

Deedee are ate?

[fossil cedar]

[strong raft]

Just realized ddr6 is gonna have triple digit CL.

[fossil cedar]

Maybe maybe not

Probably not

Imo like cl60-cl80 probs

[strong raft]

Yea a whole gen away so will be a while. Funny to think 10000+ MT/s isn't that crazy anymore.

[rich void]

I feel like at that point it's not a case anymore. It's a bench/stand/whatever.
It's not enclosed so imo that's no longer really a case. Does look neat though

[obsidian wigeon]

on crap ddr5 5200

raptor lake seems to actually benefit it now

multi core went up by 20% in geekbench compared to ddr4 3200

timings not shown tho

better imc finally making use of the bandwidth lol

[fossil cedar]

Imc wasn't the issue with ddr5 tbh it's the memory itself and the motherboards

[mossy venture]

Yeah, weren't a lot of earlyish release ddr5 mobos having issues with not being able to run ram at over 4400mhz?

Or was that just the gigabyte ax

[cyan ravine]

No iirc MSI had that too with micron

[fossil cedar]

Only with 4 sticks

[cyan ravine]

1dpc boards aren't really having issues either now, newer IC's are running much faster than the first gen even on 12th gen

[fossil cedar]

I don't expect 4 sticks to run well on ddr5 until we get quad channel cpus

[obsidian wigeon]

It was done on z690

idk which one

[fossil cedar]

Asrock steel legend

[quasi wasp]

I7 11700k with 32gb of ram and a 2060 oc edition

[earnest olive]

i have never seen that brand before

periphio?

[tawny violet]

Sweet, did you get a good deal on the stuff?

Just asking out of curiosity why you went prev gen

[fossil cedar]

They probably built when 12th gen wasn't out lol

[crystal berry]

yo can anyone help me?

https://gjirafa50.mk/ this site can anyone find me a gpu less than 450 or 500 change the money from dinar to euro

prices are up here so dont expect anything

anyone

[fossil cedar]

https://gjirafa50.mk/delovi-za-kompjuteri/grafichka-karta-2/gaming-6/za-gaming-2/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-ventus-2x-8g-ocv1-lhr-8gb-gddr6-grafichka-kartichka

[crystal berry]

even lower pls less then 450 r little up

[fossil cedar]

This would be next best then
https://gjirafa50.mk/delovi-za-kompjuteri/grafichka-karta-2/gaming-6/za-gaming-2/karte-grafike-palit-geforce-rtx-3060-dual-12gb-gddr6-lhr

[quasi wasp]

I didn't need a i9 tbh and a I7 11700k was a great deal I only paid 374 for a mobo and spu combo

[tawny violet]

Ah, sweet deal, makes sense

Well it'll definitely be good for a damn long time, so enjoy it a lot! :3

[crystal berry]

ok can u go a little up like or stay l think u can find a little better

[fossil cedar]

Nah there's nothing better

Next jump up is 3060 ti

[crystal berry]

palit company

u think is good

https://gjirafa50.mk/delovi-za-kompjuteri/grafichka-karta-2/grafichka-kartichka-asus-geforce-rtx-3060-dual-oc-v2-12gb

look at this

[quasi wasp]

Thank you!

[fossil cedar]

Brand doesn't matter

[flint sapphire]

you guys see the deep cool aio yet? doesnt look half bad... https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-High-Performance-Radiator-Auto-RGB-Customizable/dp/B09Y1LVCYH?

[fossil cedar]

Looks like it's going to be fine, not many reviews yet

[desert gulch]

far from half bad, its the best 360mm aio currently with the testing we have

[crystal berry]

yea l know but is palit good

[desert gulch]

a 420mm lf2 vs a ls720 would be a very interesting comparison

[flint sapphire]

the rgb tax doesnt even exist on it it seems

[desert gulch]

yeah

i bet itll settle around $110 eventually

its really gonna stir up the aio market if its known about well enough

[crystal berry]

is this better than palit one

[fossil cedar]

brand doesn't matter

[fossil cedar]

No

[crystal berry]

yea l know bro

[fossil cedar]

3060 is better

The best 3060 is the cheapest one

[crystal berry]

but am asking is a palit good company

[fossil cedar]

Yeah they're fine

[crystal berry]

so that 3060 is better than all of the expensive ones ight

[desert gulch]

not better

theyre just all about the same

he meant best as in value

like, no point to spend $100+ over the cheaper one to get the same performance

[willow quest]

Yo I’m building a comp right now and I’m trying to put my M.2 in. The screw doesn’t reach the hole. Can I just put my m.2 cover over it and leave it unscrewed?

[desert gulch]

no

youll need a standoff

see those things in the middle?

[willow quest]

Yeah those come with my motherboard

Should I install those first then

[desert gulch]

those are standoffs, they screw into the motherboard hole and then you screw the screw into that

yeah

[crystal berry]

will this fit good with palit 3060 dual

[desert gulch]

just install one where the screw holding the m.2 will sit

[willow quest]

Thanks a lot bro

[desert gulch]

np

[willow quest]

Also on my motherboard a node is like bent. It came like that is it supposed to be like this?

[desert gulch]

got a picture of it?

[willow quest]

Lemme send rq

It won’t let me add a picture

[desert gulch]

dm it to me rq

and ill post it here

aight here we go

[willow quest]

It’s the B550-F

[desert gulch]

@earnest olive look fine to you?

[earnest olive]

those are capacitors

they're fine

[desert gulch]

yeah

[earnest olive]

bend it back if it bothers you

[willow quest]

Ahh ok ty I didn’t know what those were

[earnest olive]

they're attached to the motherboard by two little legs that are soldered in

[crystal berry]

@fossil cedar

[earnest olive]

those legs getting bent doesn't matter as long as the solder points hold contact

I got a mobo with 9 of those all bent

[willow quest]

Ic thanks bro

[desert gulch]

💀

[earnest olive]

just bent them back no problems

[willow quest]

LOL

[fossil cedar]

Same performance but you save money

[crystal berry]

ight so asus dual and palit is alm same

[willow quest]

Also should I take the sticker off the m.2 cover. The sticker that covers the thermal pad on the cover. Not the sticker directly on the m.2

[earnest olive]

the only problem is if they get so bent that they get ripped off

[earnest olive]

yes

[willow quest]

Both of them?

[earnest olive]

thermal pads don't work very well when they can't touch the chip they're supposed to cool

[willow quest]

Cuz I don’t want the second to melt

[earnest olive]

oh

the sticker on the m.2 leave that one on

[willow quest]

Sorry I meant the second one since I’m not using a second m.2 slot

[earnest olive]

oh

then no

[willow quest]

It won’t melt or anything?

[earnest olive]

leave it there for when you actually put something in there

no lol

[willow quest]

Ahh ok ok

[earnest olive]

there's nothing generating heat there to begin with

[fossil cedar]

That case and psu look ehhhhh but apart from that ye

[earnest olive]

if you have empty slot

it's there to protect the thermal pad from like, dust and drying out

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[willow quest]

Right, I was thinking: “but what if the mobo heats up or something?”

[crystal berry]

ight thanks

[earnest olive]

don't lift that protective plastic unless you actually put an m.2 in there

[crystal berry]

but palit a bit better

[earnest olive]

if your mobo is getting hot enough to melt plastic you have more important things to worry about

[crystal berry]

and l save money

[earnest olive]

such as why your house is on fire

[fossil cedar]

Same performance palit saves you money

[smoky schooner]

Hi guys, what Thermal Paste would you guys recommend? Best quality!

[crystal berry]

ok thanks

[earnest olive]

for a casual user just buy some arctic mx-4 and be done with it

arctic mx-4 might not have the absolute best thermal performance but it holds up for really long

some better pastes degrade faster and have to be reapplied more often

just bought a used laptop that the seller said he used IC diamond on a year ago

it was thermal throttling from web browsing

[smoky schooner]

I see, it is better than coolermaster

[earnest olive]

replaced it with good ol mx-4 and dropped temps by 40c

coolermaster what

mastergel?

dunno

[smoky schooner]

haha nevermind, I saw one called cooler master

[earnest olive]

all I know is that mx-4 lasts forever and the performance is good enough

[smoky schooner]

I'll go with mx-4 then

[earnest olive]

it's also really cheap

$8 was enough to paste like 30 pcs

[smoky schooner]

haha sweet

good deal

[earnest olive]

i slap it on everything

laptops, desktop cpus, gpus, all good

[smoky schooner]

interesting I order it haha thanks for your assistance!

[earnest olive]

enjoy

[willow quest]

Do y’all recommend putting the radiator at the front or top?

[strong raft]

Generally top

[earnest olive]

depends

is it one of the aio designs with the pump built into the radiator?

[willow quest]

Yes

[earnest olive]

then front mount it

[willow quest]

It’s the Corsair h100i elite

[stoic island]

That's asetek

so pump is on block

[earnest olive]

i am fairly certain the pump is not in the radiator for that one

[still roost]

pyro#7804 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[willow quest]

Oh mb

[stoic island]

I only know the one MSI aio with the pump in rad

[earnest olive]

top mount is better in that case

[willow quest]

Okok Tyty

[earnest olive]

however

the difference is really quite minimal

so... if front mount is easier or you like the look better, don't let it stop you

[willow quest]

So what did you mean when you said the pump is built into the radiator

[earnest olive]

in yours the pump is built into the cpu block

[willow quest]

Would you mind sending a pic so I’ll know what it looks like

The one you were talking bout before

Just for future reference

[earnest olive]

see the square block in the middle of the radiator

that's the pump

[willow quest]

Ohh ok

I see

[strong raft]

Mainly want pump to not be the highest point of the setup.

[earnest olive]

i only know of two designs with the pump in the radiator

vast majority have pump in the block

front mount is actually usually better for cpu temps

at the cost of slightly increasing your gpu temps

front mount is honestly completely fine lol

[stoic island]

Internals of pump

Asetek designs are on pump on CPU block

[fossil cedar]

Would go with this psu instead
https://gjirafa50.mk/delovi-za-kompjuteri/resursi/600w-i-poveќe/izvor-na-energija-ladilnik-master-mwe-650-bronza-v2-650w

[rich void]

NZXT has one too

[earnest olive]

btw, am i tripping or did #building-and-recc-chat move

[jagged ember]

no no it moved

[stoic island]

it definitely moved

[jagged ember]

pet pics was above it before

[earnest olive]

[jagged ember]

wha happen

[stoic island]

it used to be below tech deals

[earnest olive]

maybe a mod moved it by accident lol

should i... should i move it back

it's been feeling off to me the whole day

[stoic island]

btw the 230v one and the full range one are different PSUs and the page doesn't seem to list input voltage

[earnest olive]

if it's being sold on this site you can probably assume it's gonna work with 230W either way

[stoic island]

move tech deals and discussion above build chat :p

[stoic island]

one is tier b one is low priority tier c, different internals, forgot what makes the 230v one bad though

[fossil cedar]

Like 2 months ago

[earnest olive]

oh i meant today

for some reason it feels different today

but i don't remember

[stoic island]

definitely feels different

[earnest olive]

i was there for the meeting 2 months ago lol

[stoic island]

it didn't use to be right below general

there was some channel between general and build chat

iirc tech deals

[earnest olive]

i feel like it was pet pics

i mean it would make sense that someone accidentally swapped build chat and pet pics

since they're still right next to each other now

[stoic island]

I have all the pics channels muted for like the past year lol

[earnest olive]

i like looking at #build-pics

i don't go to #pets or #food-and-drinks though

except the one time i decided to share my cooking

[stoic island]

lol

[fossil cedar]

I don't like the fact that build pics and chat are seperated by pet pics

Although maybe that was the move

[earnest olive]

i don't either, but i don't wanna make changes without approval lol

does this feel correct? lol

[fossil cedar]

It feels better although i put full ranking in mod chat

[crystal berry]

https://www.anhoch.com/

[crystal berry]

try and find one on this web

[fossil cedar]

I cba tbh, there's a psu tier list in the pins, the one i had was b tier, you want b tier or a tier

[crystal berry]

b tier

then

[crystal berry]

my psu is good dont need to do nothing

[feral talon]

can i use these to plug into my cpu?

the semi modular part has a 4+4

but my motherboard has an 8 and a 4 and i want to know if i can just plug another cable in

[olive cypress]

Sometimes the the extra 4pin is unnecessary unless you have a very power hungry CPU or need extreme pc with lot of stability

[feral talon]

i don’t NEED it j to err on the side of caution

i j don’t if it’s possible

[fossil cedar]

These ones, and the psu side will be 8 pin the motherboard side will be 4+4 pin

Ignore the accidental arrow

[feral talon]

lmao i was tryna figure out what that meant

so it is possible

so long as i put it in one of those three

a 4+4

tyty 🙏 lifesaver fr

[olive cypress]

Me tryna figure out where you at by the time on your screen
Mmmh
Must be
Iceland?

London

Portugal

[fossil cedar]

Yes but not the 8 pin end goes in the psu not 4+4

Nope

[olive cypress]

You don't want to plug 4+4 pin directly to your psu, layout is different you may break it or start a fire
Btw it shouldn't physically fit

[potent portal]

Sadly it does fit on too many units

[fossil cedar]

Shouldn't being a key but scary word

[strong raft]

I've also seen the gpu fit into GPU spot.

[willow quest]

It’s ok if the fan wires are in between the radiator and the fan right

[olive cypress]

On my MSI a650gf the PCIe can fit into CPU but doesn't fully get in because of the clip that keeps it in place not being aligned
People need to be careful with modular units

[potent portal]

Like pinched between them? Not ideal at all and risks damaging the cable

[willow quest]

Can You add me so I can send a pic to you?

I saw an installation guide and they kept them in between the radiator and fan

[potent portal]

My DMs are open

[olive cypress]

It is safe if you run the cable in the small space on the fan support

[potent portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001615455246618765/1001615698897936536/E2C03BA8-2222-42BF-8DBF-DA2866C3BDE0.jpg

Yeah that's the cable channel, that's fine

[willow quest]

Ok ty

[olive cypress]

Yep but I'd not recomment out of the cable channel
Fan could either hit it or also the cable can be damaged by the fins

I see no reason to let it out
Unless your fan doesn't have a cable channel

[fossil cedar]

Just run it around the outside of the fan which is indented

[olive cypress]

It needs to pass from the center of the fan where the motor is, trough the channel and then you move it where you want

[willow quest]

My ram is blocking my AIO from being installed. I have a 240 mm AIO and I was told one of my alts was to install it in the front. However the front has 3 fans. Do I still install it in the front?

[strong raft]

Just put the rad on the upper 2 fans.

[drowsy zodiac]

has anyone ever bought a ibuypower pc i had mine running for about 30 mins played apex just to test her out everything ran good and all of a sudden it turned off and the power supply made a click sound and now i just have no power is that common with these things lol

newegg is sending me a new one (what should i do before plugging it in) ??

[desert gulch]

Clicking sounds like a PSU protection

So possibly a short somewhere in the system, like a loose screw or something shorting out the motherboard or something

[drowsy zodiac]

hmm it was running totally fine when i was downloading games and everything

[desert gulch]

Yeah which is a little weird

[drowsy zodiac]

do you think i could just buy a new power supply? and change them

[still roost]

Anxiety#7855 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[drowsy zodiac]

oh

i’m assuming they use a bad psu

[desert gulch]

The issue is that it very well may not be the Psu's fault

If you can grab the model of the PSU, we could tell you how good it is

[drowsy zodiac]

eh i’ll try and let you know on the next one

[desert gulch]

Alright

[drowsy zodiac]

it was a 600watt

worse comes to worst i just get a refund if this next one breaks and build my own lol

[desert gulch]

Lol

[drowsy zodiac]

are these really that hard to build

[desert gulch]

Not really

[drowsy zodiac]

probably more reliable but i guess we will see with this next one lol

[earnest olive]

need an actual model number

wattage says very little

especially if it's a faked number

I don't think ibuypower would use power supplies so sketch that they have fake ratings

but they sell a $600 "gaming pc" with a gt 710 so who knows

[desert gulch]

Better than a $1300 "ultra high end gaming PC" with uhd 💀

[drowsy zodiac]

mine had a gigabyte gtx 1050ti and a gigabyte motherboard but i’m not to sure about the power supply tbh

any ideas on what to check the second i get my next one?

i’m just very confused honestly i just wanted something cheap and for light gaming lol i’m hoping the next one doesn’t have issues

@desert gulch @earnest olive

[earnest olive]

there's no way a 600w psu shut off with a 1050ti prebuilt lol

i mean, it could be a random failure

you can try the new one if they're already sending it to you

but i heavily doubt it has anything to do with over power

[drowsy zodiac]

well that’s what i was thinking lol and it seems like now when i read all the bad reviews apparently people have the same issue

[desert gulch]

I'm most likely thinking it's a direct short due to bad quality control

[drowsy zodiac]

what’s that mean?

[desert gulch]

Like a screw came loose or something and is touching the motherboard where it shouldnt

It's just weird it would happen like 15mins into using it

[drowsy zodiac]

yeah no i had it running for probably a hour getting all my old files on to it and downloaded apex and played apex for atleast 30 mins and everything went black then the rgb fans flicked on for a split second and then no power at all, i unplugged it and plugged back in nothing so then i contacted newegg and they will replace it (maybe with more details it may help you determine something)

@desert gulch

[drowsy zodiac]

any idea?

[desert gulch]

Not really, if Newegg says they'll replace it then may as well do that

[drowsy zodiac]

yeah i guess thanks for your help though! have a good day

[willow quest]

On task manager it’s still reading 1600 mhz despite me turning on xmp. Can anyone help me out?

[cyan ravine]

Your xmp is 3200?

[willow quest]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

DDR4 = double data rate 4 so that's correct

[willow quest]

Ahh ok ok

So it’s double whatever task manager says

Ty

[cyan ravine]

Otherwise it'd say like, 1333 or 1066 (2666 or 2133) if it wasn't working (standard jedec speed or not xmp in other words)

[willow quest]

For my friend it reads double on his task manager. Is there a reason why it’s diff for me

[cyan ravine]

Is he on ddr5?

[willow quest]

Lemme ask

[mossy venture]

Task manager can display both

Dw about it

[cyan ravine]

Huh, I didn't know it did both

And I can't deny it cos mine is showing full data rate

[willow quest]

He is not

[cyan ravine]

^

[analog pulsar]

How much on top would you say for a 3080 msi 12GB card

[mossy venture]

I'd say 450-500

Just a quick guesstimate

Not sure on that

[cyan ravine]

100% they're lowballing you hard though

[nova apex]

question, so i have my mb, my gpu, my case, and psu. but nothing else, would it be okay to install my gpu to my mb rn, and install the other parts as i get them?

or will that hurt my pc in the end

[cyan ravine]

Sure, as long as the SSD isn't blocked by the gpu

You might wanna do that first

[nova apex]

you have a point

[cyan ravine]

Backplate as well for the cpu cooler if needed

Kinda optional tho (some need the cooler to go on)

[weary galleon]

personally I would wait to get everything, install cpu+cooler & ram onto motherboard, then motherboard into case, than gpu

you're not going to hurt the pc by installing gpu first but it might be harder overall

[desert gulch]

SSD goes in there almost first too

[weary galleon]

right

if nvme yeah

[desert gulch]

Assuming you have a m.2 drive

[kindred pawn]

Ik I've been here before but could someone build me a PC for 1.5k Canadian?

It's gonna be for mainly gaming but all around work

[desert gulch]

When are you planning to buy?

[kindred pawn]

soon

[desert gulch]

As in, a week, a month? PC market is just so volatile currently

[kindred pawn]

like a week

whenever

[weary galleon]

I don't have time to make a parts list but I could point you in a direction

assuming you're buying new- rtx 3060ti or rx 6700xt

intel 12400f

650+ w psu,

1tb nvme

that's just based on converting your cad amount to usd, idk if prices are inflated there or not

[potent portal]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9XQbTn

Alternatively you could get the asrock challenger 6750 XT and save $50, that and the 3070 are pretty close in standard performance.

[lilac umbra]

Check this out on @royal pelican: Acer Predator Helios 300 - 15.6" 144 Hz IPS - Intel Core i7 11th Gen 11800H (2.30GHz) - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU - 16 GB DDR4 - 512 GB PCIe SSD - Windows 10 Home 64-bit - Gaming Laptop (PH315-54-748Y ) https://www.newegg.com/abyssal-black-acer-predator-helios-300-ph315-54-748y-gaming/p/N82E16834360144?Item=N82E16834360144&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-34-360-144-_-07262022

Any recommendations?

Any laptops better for similar price?

[obsidian wigeon]

i wouldn't get that

[lilac umbra]

Do you recomend any?

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/black-gigabyte-a5-k1-bus2150sb-gaming/p/N82E16834233510

For a little more you should do this instead

[lilac umbra]

Can I dm you?

[frank scaffold]

Any suggestions for mobo for 5800x? I currently have 3000MHz ram and will need to be able to OC the ram

[cyan ravine]

What kind of ram?

[frank scaffold]

Corsair vengeance

[cyan ravine]

I would get new ram if you want to oc that, unless the version number on it is really good on the back

[frank scaffold]

Probably not the best ram to OC, but figured it might be worth a shot before going to 3600

[cyan ravine]

Depends on the version number

If you can turn your pc off, pop one out and give us that version number on the back then you'll get to know if it can even do 3600

[frank scaffold]

I wasnt necessarily thinking of going that high, but I can check

[potent portal]

A lot of Corsair sticks are barely able to run their rated speeds

[frank scaffold]

@potent portal any suggestions?

[cyan ravine]

So more than the mobo, the ram is the part that needs analysis first because you might want new ram if you want to OC much if at all

[potent portal]

Find that version number first

[frank scaffold]

3.21 and 8.31

Its 32GB total but I ordered two different times

Same PN though

[frigid night]

Mismatched bins?

[cyan ravine]

So micron 4 gbit rev. B and some sort of nanya 8gbit

So this is definitely mismatched sticks

You won't get much out of OC, in fact auto timings probably all over the place on xmp lol

[potent portal]

Both of those are trash

[cyan ravine]

Swapping to a 2x16 kit would probably give a performance jump itself out of the automatic training

[frank scaffold]

Ok.

[cyan ravine]

What mobo you have rn?

[frank scaffold]

I don't even remember it's an intel setup. MSI xxx Gaming Plus or something

[potent portal]

If you can afford this, highly recommended for Ryzen https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[cyan ravine]

Potentially not bad then

If it's anything like a b series or x series it should already be fine to get your first ram oc experience

B350, B550, X470 etc

It should say on the motherboard if you can find it

[frank scaffold]

I was looking at a MSI B550 Gaming Plus or the Asus B550-F

[cyan ravine]

Would change ram instead. I think your mobo is not the limiting factor

[potent portal]

This would be alright if the other kit is too much https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sfxbt6/teamgroup-t-force-dark-za-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tdzad432g3600hc18jdc01

[frank scaffold]

I'm not sure if I even need 16

32*

[potent portal]

Fair enough, most people don't short of high end stuff

[frank scaffold]

I just went to 32 in this current system to say I have it lol

[potent portal]

16 cheap option https://pcpartpicker.com/product/768bt6/team-vulcan-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd416g3600hc18jdc01

16 nice option https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc

[frank scaffold]

Any particular reason you suggested the brands you did? Once, I pick a mobo should I just check the QVL and get a 3600MHz kit based off that

[potent portal]

QVL doesn't matter these days for modern DDR4 boards

[frank scaffold]

Ok.

[potent portal]

I mostly picked those based on price vs performance

[frank scaffold]

If I'm going to buy faster ram and don't need to OC or want to OC the CPU, is any B550 board going to be ok?

[potent portal]

Yep AMD isn't like Intel. You can overclock everything on almost any board.

[frank scaffold]

I was thinking the MSI B550 Gaming Plus or the Asus B550-F

[cyan ravine]

The board you have rn is likely fine for oc

It's a gaming plus so I suspect it's decent already

[frank scaffold]

I'm not sure we are on the same page here @cyan ravine

[potent portal]

An older Intel board?

[frank scaffold]

I'm looking to get an AMD setup going

[cyan ravine]

Eh?

Eh??

[potent portal]

They're moving from old Intel to new ryzen

[cyan ravine]

Wait what

Oh

Ohhh

I thought they were upgrading am4

Ok my b

[frank scaffold]

I asked about the ram to begin with because I know the newer ryzen like higher speed

Lol

[potent portal]

Yeah that's why I suggested only 3600 kits

[frank scaffold]

Rigt

[potent portal]

3200 is technically fine, and 4000 is too high for infinity fabric to sync

3600 is the sweet spot

[cyan ravine]

Unless you get a lucky bin

[frank scaffold]

Probably grab one of those 16gb kits. Do you think 32gb is needed? All I do is game, maybe some light editing/streaming in the future

[cyan ravine]

A lot of 1 ccd ryzens can do 4000 synced

Most 2ccd's end up 3800 or less

[potent portal]

Not the 5800X, 3800 is usually the limit

You're thinking of the G chips maybe

[cyan ravine]

No 5600X's

G chips go to like 4300 synced

Fun monolithic times

[potent portal]

4000 synced is really hard to do without whea errors

I start getting errors at 3866

[cyan ravine]

Me too lol

My fclk is happy at 3733

[potent portal]

It'll run as high as 4000 synced but will have background errors

Any higher is no boot

[cyan ravine]

For editing/streaming in future 32 helps

Could maybe keep the vengememes for that though, or sell them

[frank scaffold]

No point in keeping the sticks if I'm essentially getting a new system. I'd try to sell the 9700-f, mobo, ram on FB or something

Thanks for the help. Wanna take advantage of the sale on the 5800x

[frigid night]

There is also hardwareswap on reddit.

[potent portal]

It's a good price right now but still worth looking at 12600k/B660 combo, unless you want to do CPU overclock then you'd need the more expensive Z690

[frank scaffold]

Yeah, I don't feel comfortable shipping mobo/cpus

I don't mess around with OCing. Heard there have been issues with the newer intel cpus with older games? Because of the different way they handle cores?

[potent portal]

Those issues are mostly fixed

The only issue I know of right now is a single specific anti cheat software

[frank scaffold]

But how much more would that intel setup be? I don't have any issues/problems with Intel, just know they are generally more spendy and know my 9700-f is starting to drag

[potent portal]

Intel 12th gen has generally been better price/performance, I'll do a quick comparison hang on

[fossil cedar]

Intel's actually better value atm

[potent portal]

Oh you'll probably want a new cooler too while you're at it

[fossil cedar]

What cooler they got?

[potent portal]

Both the 5800X and 12600k can get toasty

[potent portal]

Something from a prebuilt on a 9700f

[fossil cedar]

Oof

Ak620 or evga clc 280 time

[frank scaffold]

Have a NH-D15S picked out right now

Its not a prebuilt

[cyan ravine]

Bought?

Cos ak620 is cheaper and slightly better

[frank scaffold]

I purchased a cryorig cooler for the 9700f

[fossil cedar]

Can you return it?

[frank scaffold]

Not bought yet

[fossil cedar]

Oh then don't

[cyan ravine]

AK620 is stonks

[fossil cedar]

You getting a whole new pc?

[frank scaffold]

Basically. Was looking at a 5800x

[fossil cedar]

What's your budget?

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/99ZD2m
Vs
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8c2qLP

[fossil cedar]

I would not put 12600k on the b660 prime personally

[frank scaffold]

I'm not doing anything fancy. Just gaming

[potent portal]

Yeah true https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mbWRv3

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but what's your budget if you're building a whole new pc or are you reusing some parts?

[fossil cedar]

Bazooka is 130 but yeah

[frank scaffold]

I have a 3080, PX-850, Define R7 I'm bringing with

[potent portal]

Pro A is worth $5 more imo

[cyan ravine]

Px 850

Which brand psu is that

[frank scaffold]

SeaSonic

[fossil cedar]

Bazookas better tho

[cyan ravine]

Oh so probably focus based

[frank scaffold]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

That's a good one I think

[frigid night]

Just get a tomahawk

[potent portal]

PX platinum is the A tier one yeah

[fossil cedar]

Define 7?

[potent portal]

But there's others lower

[frank scaffold]

@fossil cedar I was going to upgrade my 9700f system with a 5800x and then @potent portal brought up the 12600k

Define R7, case

[cyan ravine]

12600k would be better

Or 12400f even

[fossil cedar]

Yeah ik I'm outta together a list

There is no define r7 only a define 7 that's why I'm asking

Also that case is an oven so i would return it if you can, if not sell it

[frank scaffold]

Too late to return

[fossil cedar]

I'd do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rKYGbK

[fossil cedar]

Then I'd sell it

[frank scaffold]

No market around me for that kind of stuff really

[cyan ravine]

You will gain performance just by changing that case alone

[frank scaffold]

If I'm going to stick with Intel I'll just keep the ram I have

[fossil cedar]

There has to be, are you not in the US?

[fossil cedar]

3200mhz?

[frank scaffold]

I'm in the US. 3000

I'm saying locally

[cyan ravine]

Micron and nanya mixed vengememes pato

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that's fine

Wait what

[cyan ravine]

It's fine to stay on xmp

Lol

[potent portal]

It's a mixed set of 3000 speed he has currently

Both sets have crap ICs

[fossil cedar]

Then there is a market, r/hardwareswap on reddit people will drive to collect it

Oof

I would just buy new ram too then that doesn't sound stable

[frank scaffold]

I bought a 16gb kit of corsair vengeance and then purchased another at a later date

Stable as long as I've been running it

[fossil cedar]

I highly doubt it's actually stable tho

Memory will error the crap out before crashing

[cyan ravine]

It could be stable tho

[fossil cedar]

Which means you're loosing performance without realising it

[cyan ravine]

At some crazy timings

[fossil cedar]

It could be

Run occt memory for an hour and get no errors then you should be fine

[cyan ravine]

Or tm5 using pcbdestroyer config

/anta777

[fossil cedar]

Extreme anta77 is also fine never tried pcb destroyer

[frank scaffold]

Well I think we have very different opinions on PC stuff. And that's cool. I've had no issues that I can tell and I can play games for 12 hours or however long and have no crashes/performance issues

[fossil cedar]

But they're like 4 hour long tests with 32gb

[fossil cedar]

^

And you won't notice it

[fossil cedar]

^

[potent portal]

If they were tuned maybe, probably more like 6-8 on loose auto

[fossil cedar]

Eh really? Damm

[cyan ravine]

It's fine to think like that. We're only suggesting a memory test to validate it really. Think of it as like a tick of approval

If you've had 0 issues, there's a good chance it'll continue that way

Conversely there also lies a chance it does crap out

It's only 3000 XMP tho so I err towards the side of it being ok personally but you never know with ram

[frank scaffold]

I will probably end up getting new ram either way. Just need to decide between the 12600k or the 5800x

[cyan ravine]

12600K is easily better

Both of them are very much good for long term but performance-wise the 12600K will have the edge, and also pcie gen 5 slots

Gives you a bit more gpu headroom in the future

For an upgrade

[frank scaffold]

Is there an F version of that cpu? I don't intend to OC. Any point in going with an i7?

[cyan ravine]

12700F

There's a 12600F but we never recommend it

It's a 12400F with a premium

12700F will demolish a 5800X in anything not games and be just as good or slightly better in games

[potent portal]

There's a 12600KF but it's only $5 cheaper

[cyan ravine]

I think he means non-K

[potent portal]

12600k is still worth it even when not overclocking

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[potent portal]

It has the extra 4 cores

[frank scaffold]

12600k is 279 with 15 bucks off

[potent portal]

To answer the other part of your question, no there's really no point to getting the i7 for gamers

[frank scaffold]

Looks like the better deal is with intel right now