#general-chat

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plush path
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Funny meme though

sinful blade
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Why is that a paper

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Why

velvet summit
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there's a myth that people swallow like 2 spiders in their sleep in their lifetime or whatever

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though it's not like it's impossible to ever get a spider in your mouth in your sleep, especially if you're a mouth breather

plush path
bitter ridge
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Maybe it is because I live in a high rise penthouse but very lucky that I have never found a spider

velvet summit
plush path
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Bug bites anesthetize you

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You don't feel them, and as you said, they're much smaller

velvet summit
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must be a weak ass anesthesia then because it hurt quite a bit when i woke up

plush path
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So yes, you're very correct

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No, the bite usually injects anesthesia type

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I'm not an expert but you can do some googling

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So you don't feel them bite you

velvet summit
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though theoretically i would have noticed them walking to where they bite though

plush path
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Yes, theoretically you would have

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But they exert such small pressure compared to a spider that it's rare to feel them crawling

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Similar to the mites in your eyelashes, the size matters

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You don't feel those

worn night
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newegg I need my refund bro đŸ™đŸ»đŸ™đŸ»

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the geektech gryphix b450m almost out of stock

dusk knot
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Hmm

upper rain
worn night
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I wouldve kept it but a 2600x apparently cant be used on b550 out of the box

elfin mural
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yeah b550 is too new

worn night
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and I dont have another am4 cpu to flash an experiemental bios

upper rain
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yah, needs special bios

worn night
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did I get a good deal on a 2600x for 52 dollars

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its looking like it was a normal price mever mind

worn night
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ddr4 has gone down a bit tho thats nice

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I may not have to make ddr3 builds anymore đŸ”„đŸ”„

velvet summit
dusk knot
neat plover
dusk knot
proud jackal
heady plinth
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Is there a way to talk to a live support agent instead of an ai?

nocturne flicker
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Have an aneurysm in the chat until the ai panics and pings an agent

elfin mural
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^

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lol, lmao even

sharp charm
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they using organic ram

mental yoke
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i need another 5090

heady plinth
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It feels more like a phone tree than an actual ai. Which is probably smart but not helpful.

sharp charm
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actually you should get a 5100

mental yoke
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i just want 3

sharp charm
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the 6090 super

neat plover
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Beside the ram, is the cpu and motherboard good?

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I’m gon upgrade my 3070 rtx gpu to something better in the future

proud jackal
elfin mural
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it's worth a try to look at the refreshed cpus tbh

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270k plus or 265k plus

dusk knot
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There has to be a cheaper motherboard out there

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Or that’s just intel

proud jackal
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Rog strix

cedar compass
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I mean usually newegg having good intel bundles

dusk knot
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Save money and get something cheaper.

cedar compass
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but somewhy theyre all out of stock now

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I ordered this from woot yesterday

rancid juniper
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managed to get stellar blade stable at -60mv now since I set fast timings.
Did it in 5 runs @grand kernel

dusk knot
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save $70

grand kernel
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-50 has been solid so far haven't tried pushing further

rancid juniper
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Nvidia and Intel can finally let you pre-compile shader

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wtf is amd doin?

elfin mural
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amd being amd

rancid juniper
lone mango
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Games already load quickly, I don’t understand

rancid juniper
neat plover
rancid juniper
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that takes a while to load up

lone mango
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Idk never played

rancid juniper
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oh

lone mango
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I guess what I play doesn’t need it then

grand kernel
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well I haven't even been on -50 for long enough to decide if it's stable yet

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driver crashing due to oc instability should cause the oc to reset right?

lone mango
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Yes

grand kernel
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when cyberpunk crashed in photo mode the oc didn't reset

rancid juniper
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dang, cyberpunk crashed on the main menu (2nd run)

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😡

grand kernel
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so I don't think its due to instability I think it just ran out of vram lol

lone mango
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Could be a soft crash that wasn’t hard enough to initiate a timeout

rancid juniper
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gonna run it at default to see if its because of pathtracing being enabled

languid drum
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I been trying the divison on cellphone looks like it has different options to start shooting. But I keep having problems with it shooting when I'm not touch the screen..

grand kernel
rancid juniper
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mines quirky

grand kernel
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I also need to try out this vulkanmemtest thing

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I'm pretty sure I can push past 2780

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2780 was just what I put to be safe cause I couldn't be bothered to limit test the stability until I figured out core

rancid juniper
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omg YES, IT CRASHED AT DEFAULT CLOCKS YES

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thought my oc profile was cooked

grand kernel
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performance keeps rising until 2806

lone mango
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Idk i remember getting higher speeds on memtest than in game

grand kernel
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so I feel like I can get it stable at higher than 2780

lone mango
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For memory I would keep increasing the speed until you see the framerate stop increasing

grand kernel
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I just want to test for error correcting vs. what 3dmark told me

rancid juniper
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bandwidth stays somewhat stable

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just minimal drops

grand kernel
rancid juniper
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yes

grand kernel
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ah okay

grand kernel
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I was gonna say only 26.3.1 can run cyberpunk with PT

rancid juniper
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thats when ECC kicks in or something

grand kernel
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well these are my 3dmark results

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-90mV core, default timings
2840: crash
2838: 7592
2836: 7593
2834: 7592
2832: 7613
2830: 7616
2828: 7593
2826: 7610
2824: 7610
2822: 7611
2820: 7612
2818: 7614
2816: 7609
2814: 7610
2812: 7612
2810: 7613
2808: 7620, 7601, 7604, 7609, 7620 = 7610.8
2806: 7612, 7615, 7606, 7624, 7614 = 7614.2
2804: 7608, 7607, 7620 = 7611.7
2802: 7608, 7606, 7613 = 7609
2800: 7604, 7593, 7604 = 7600.3
2798: 7592
2796: 7585
2794: 7580
2792: 7582
2790: 7585
2788: 7581
2786: 7575
2784: 7565
2782: 7573
2780: 7564

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I averaged 3-5 runs in the area of interest

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others just 1 run

rancid juniper
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so 2808 is the second best

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and my goodness thats a lot of runs

sinful blade
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Oi

rancid juniper
rancid juniper
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😏

sinful blade
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We banned a member today we didn’t think we’d have to ban so

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You’re next pooper

elfin mural
dusk knot
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Sad

nocturne flicker
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Sad

royal crow
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Sad

grand kernel
royal crow
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Bruh

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Who got banned

grand kernel
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that orange mushroom guy

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talked too much about overclocking in general chat

royal crow
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Lmao

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Noob deserves getting rekt

nocturne flicker
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Fr

grand kernel
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speaking of overclocking

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decreasing my VDDG CCD/IOD from 0.910V to 0.905V reduces my performance by 35% in VT3

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that 5mV is doing a lot of heavy lifting

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especially when the minimum is... 0.900V

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is this correct?

rancid juniper
grand kernel
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ty

rancid juniper
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np

grand kernel
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ok i got tons of errors at 2806 LOL

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so 3dmark is not reliable for determining where ECC begins i guess

rancid juniper
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yo...

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thats wild

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better dial it back

grand kernel
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less than 10 seconds to find errors

rancid juniper
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This tool is so good, managed to find proper vram clocks for the 4060 mobile

grand kernel
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maybe i'll try it on my laptop too

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my laptop is running a fat vram oc

rancid juniper
grand kernel
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i think my laptop runs +1550?

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3070M

rancid juniper
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beeg

grand kernel
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interesting

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my amd igpu is reported as having 11gb vram

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my intel igpu is reported as having 16gb vram

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time to play cyberpunk with path tracing on the intel igpu

velvet summit
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I ate a whole Costco hotdog in like a minute flat

rancid juniper
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is this supposed to be an achievement?

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do it under 30 seconds

velvet summit
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My mouth ain't that big ong

misty sparrow
grand kernel
velvet summit
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Also I didn't want sauce in my face

rancid juniper
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just remove the sauce bro ez

velvet summit
rancid juniper
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😭

grand kernel
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well my laptop appears to be doing perfectly fine with the +1550

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my 9070xt on the other hand... oof

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just dropped it down to 2776

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nvm laptop just exploded

languid drum
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Well try division game on cell phone with razer raiju moblie on cell phone. Great fun makes me consider a new upgraded controller now but that was fun.

rancid juniper
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division getting a mobile game was not on my bingo card

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whats next, crimson desert mobile?

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wait that might be likely

grand kernel
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where do you think this 9070xt will be stable at

rancid juniper
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2750mhz at best

grand kernel
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down to 2774 now

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it's still erroring pretty fast, within a few mins at 2776

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laptop sat with no errors for like 5 mins at +1550 then exploded into error spam

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pretty cool to see the laptop getting 471.5 GB/s bandwidth when advertised for 3070M is 448 GB/s

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9070xt is getting lower than advertised though despite the oc 🙁

rancid juniper
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the vram on the 9070 xt probably has an exaggerated spec

grand kernel
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getting 606.5 GB/s compared to 644.6 GB/s

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passed 5 minutes at 2770

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so probably not too far off now

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lol got an error right after typing that

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but yeah probably should be 2766-2768 stable

rancid juniper
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errored out of spite

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computers be petty

grand kernel
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all my computers probably hate me

rancid juniper
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the ram sticks:

grand kernel
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hey i'm being nice to the ram

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i'm dailying it at 1.4v when i could be dailying it at 1.63v

worn night
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ddr3 goes to 1.65v

grand kernel
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i have a perfectly stable dailyable profile right there at 1.63v

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and i'm not using it

languid drum
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Well found an other controller to try tomorrow or late to night nice game fun need night vision to see in dark area

grand kernel
worn night
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so my sell builds are usable

grand kernel
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shoutout to ggood pushing ddr4 to 2.2v

grand kernel
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i think the most i ever pushed through ddr3 was 1.7v

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around the same for ddr4

sand hill
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To be honest I’m still new to this server but I’ll take it there

lone mango
dusk knot
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2 hours 21 mins till Artemis 2 launch...

lone mango
grand kernel
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nah

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i'm down at 2760 now

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💀

rancid juniper
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software putting that vram to the test

languid drum
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Can I play on any of the Google supported TV app. Hmm

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Windows surface pro x

sinful blade
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Cleaned up wife’s pc

lone mango
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next purchase is sff case

dusk knot
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Micro ITX case

lone mango
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you can have matx sff

dusk knot
sinful blade
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Since the mobo is kinda mid

dusk knot
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Alright

sinful blade
velvet summit
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Makes the beep noise

dusk knot
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Never seen one on a mobo before

sinful blade
cedar compass
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todays kids don't know what buzzer is lol

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it was a thing for long time when debug leds aren't around

dusk knot
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I never had a PC with one

sinful blade
shrewd karma
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Any update when the prices for the SSd would go down?

sinful blade
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Probably

nocturne flicker
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Prices shall remain high until morale improves

shrewd karma
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they are expensive since most are coming from Asia

sinful blade
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Correct

shrewd karma
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due to the tarrifs and war and such

sinful blade
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Taiwan makes a lot of the stuff we use

cedar compass
dusk knot
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hm

sinful blade
nocturne flicker
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The tarrifs are mostly off the table right now. The current high prices are due largely to high quantities being bought by datacenters, the war is only starting to impact prices

dusk knot
queen briar
cedar compass
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Global market is literally in bad condition. My shipping cost to overseas increased as well pepeF I have to increase prices around 1$ per KG (2lb)

queen briar
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wheres the CPU tweaker Mushroom

queen briar
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roomba answered

nocturne flicker
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It's the mobo's dongle

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Don't ogle the dangling dongle like a noodle

shrewd karma
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I am looking to be able to upgrade my macbook ram or ssd but it is soldred into the motherboard

heady plinth
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External ssds are pretty common for the MacBook crowd.

shrewd karma
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I have a mini pc so I could you that instead of draining my money for a premium macbook

neat plover
heady plinth
# neat plover w/l

https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675 There's a few motherboards and stuff you could look at in there too. What's your goal? Just upgrading a gaming pc? Do you want matx to fit a current case?

neat plover
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I’m assuming it can fit to almost any components

heady plinth
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$150 on the b650e tuf plus wifi is pretty good. You could save a bit on the ram and get a free aio added in on Newegg.

languid drum
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Nasa getting ready to launch rocket since 2011 15 mins count down

unreal trail
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it'll fizzle out before it leaves the atmosphere

neat plover
dusk knot
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10 mins

neat plover
nocturne flicker
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10 minutes until Artemis II goes up in smoke PepeRealizes

nocturne flicker
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Never doubt the die rolls

neat plover
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this rocket area is 20 mins away from me

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lol

languid drum
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2 mins soon

neat plover
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is this good

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I see this in the sky bro

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was over my neighbors house

nocturne flicker
dusk knot
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damn clouds are in the way of me being able to see the rocket

neat plover
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its real

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saw it irl

nocturne flicker
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Oh, right

dusk knot
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NASA has trash space streaming compared to SpaceX

nocturne flicker
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So?

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They have better things to be spending the limited money on

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Like Boeing contracts forwardfacingpepe

dusk knot
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excuses

nocturne flicker
# dusk knot excuses

I mean, there is literally no reason for them to focus on it. SpaceX gets free advertising footage from their stuff for more revenue generation and convincing people to join the company

upper rain
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you can also get the 9800x3d used-like-new on amazon for $400 rn

rancid juniper
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@dusk knot that was a cool launch

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Tho I wish there was better footage, like idk cockpit cam?

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It's 2026 lol

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Thought they'd advance in the technology

thick echo
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There was

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My Mom is near it in Florida

rancid juniper
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Cool

dusk knot
rancid juniper
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50+ years later and they still haven't done any crazy achievements

dusk knot
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yeah

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thats what happens when you waste money

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since this is a test flight, they better have a decent livestream when they decide to land on the moon

rancid juniper
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Right?

dusk knot
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whats this

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I guess we do have something coming

rancid juniper
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good

dusk knot
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thanks, NASA

rancid juniper
nocturne flicker
rancid juniper
grand kernel
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@rancid juniper the answer was 2754

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2 hours without errors at 2754

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i'll take it

tranquil pebble
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it arrived

worn wave
rancid juniper
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not bad

worn wave
rancid juniper
dusk knot
grand kernel
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why does OCCT think i'm running crossfire

rancid juniper
nocturne flicker
rancid juniper
rancid juniper
tranquil pebble
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I use iGPU and dGPU at the same time

rancid juniper
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WHAT

dusk knot
nocturne flicker
worn wave
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ISS helped a ton with science no?

nocturne flicker
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Their main goal was to make space travel routine and reliable

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They absolutely failed

worn wave
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Yeah I guess they did end up using soyuz for regular transport

rancid juniper
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wake me up when they make rockets that can hit 100k mph ez

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and im talking manned rockets

nocturne flicker
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And if you want to talk about economics, the space shuttles were well over 2 times more expensive to get into leo than single use rockets. One of the parts of the reliable and routine bits of the mission was that it was supposed to be cost efficient too

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Not to mention the fact that they were so expensive that they practically killed any bigger, more ambitious projects, especially after 2 of them blew up and they still continued on with them for many years after despite the budget cuts those explosions caused

icy ore
nocturne flicker
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Well actually Challenger didn't cause a budget cut, they got a single year massive budget increase that was for making sure another explosion didn't happen

dusk knot
icy ore
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No lol I’m serious

dusk knot
icy ore
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Modified dcss from delta

rancid juniper
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Astronauts try not to sleep challenge

dusk knot
icy ore
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Nah dude I deserve no thanks it’s literally one of the coolest feelings in the world. But boy was I nervous lol

rancid juniper
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Literally

icy ore
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LhsRocket

lone mango
nocturne flicker
# icy ore LhsRocket

Well if things don't go well enough Lhsbomb and LhsRocket will be the same thing Oh_No

icy ore
lone mango
sand hill
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hey does anyone still use the ddr4? cause my brother found a prebuilt pc that's has a ddr4 and release in 2026

nocturne flicker
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Many people still use DDR4 yes

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What about it

sand hill
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well to be honest i thought it was outdated wasn;t it? cause i heard it

nocturne flicker
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It isn't the newest type of ram, yes. Doesn't mean a lot of people don't still use it

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The prebuilt will have an older cpu and mobo though

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The cpu and mobo is likely 3+ years old

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Or rather that is age of the products when looking at release dates rather than the actual parts used

heady plinth
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Or a refresh of an older cpu like a 5800xt or an intel 120f.

unborn wind
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Is this overpriced in USA idk why but I got this suggested on marketplace even tho I’m nz, it’s a US listing

heady plinth
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Depends on the monitors but yeah.

nocturne flicker
unborn wind
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This is over 6 months old I bet he regrets now

nocturne flicker
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I forgor that even existed

unborn wind
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Ddr5 is cheap in nz at right place

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One place is selling brand new 64gb G-skill neo 5 Rgb ddr5 6000mhz for 995nzd like 572USD

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U would think scam site because 99% of other retailers it’s normally like 800-900 for just 32gb but nah it’s legit I’ve bought am4 mobo, and ssd of em no issues at good prices

unborn wind
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In current market

grand kernel
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yeah idk you and i have different definitions of cheap

unborn wind
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Normally 32gb is Normally that price

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Its cheap for the current market value

grand kernel
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relatively cheap sure

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cheap no

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đŸ€š

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how so

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sounds like a defective product

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i'm assuming you're using your igpu right? check device manager

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see if you see a code 43

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right click > properties

thick echo
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IGPU sounds like an Apple product

grand kernel
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something like code 43 will show here

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type device manager in windows search

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maybe

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it might just not be showing up cause you have no drivers? but i feel like microsoft basic display adapter usually shows under display adapters...

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💀

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oof

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anything under unknown devices?

thick echo
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HypeSquad has been discontinued

grand kernel
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what does it say

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yeaaah that sounds like a gpu that's not being recognized

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which gpu is it

dusk knot
grand kernel
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oh polaris

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so rx 400/500

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yeah it might just be dead

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maybe a victim of the crypto wars

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yeah i've never seen a gpu show up as pci simple communications/sm bus controller before

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i've seen code 43 microsoft basic display adapter

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oh

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you know what

frigid stag
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well idk if thats the gpu or not its just a random thing

grand kernel
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it's possible that it's alive but it's flashed to a mining vbios...

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i wonder

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it's most likely dead

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but that's a possibility

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uhhh maybe

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worth seeing if gpu-z picks anything up at least

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do you know which model it is

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or have a pic

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or is there a sticker on the back that indicates what card it is

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if it's a 4gb card the likelihood of it being stuck on a mining vbios is much lower

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if it's 8gb then higher

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oh right polaris x60 exists

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are you sure 460?

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polaris would be rx 560

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rx 460 is called baffin

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nah they're often both referred to as polarise but polaris is a refresh gen

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rx 460 = baffin
rx 470/480 = ellesmere
rx 550 = lexa/baffin
rx 560 = polaris/ellesmere
rx 570/580/590 = polaris

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oh did you find the whole pc?

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i thought you just found the gpu and tested it in your own pc

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well there's definitely some sort of chipset drivers installed

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probably not up to date

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but i don't think that's the issue

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microsoft pnp is not gonna allow you to not have chipset drivers

frigid stag
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whats that

grand kernel
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plug n play compatibility

frigid stag
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ah

grand kernel
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the thing that auto fetches drivers

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so your grandma doesn't have to load display/wifi/bt/chipset drivers onto a usb during windows setup lol

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anyways i can tell you nobody was mining on an rx 460 in crypto wave 2 (~2020)

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but maybe they were in wave 1 (~2017)

thick echo
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I'm in love

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Blankets :3

grand kernel
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i mean by wave 2 the ETH DAG exceeded 4gb in size

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so 4gb cards simply weren't able to mine ETH

worn wave
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Well the miners eating up cards inflated the whole market

neat plover
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W build

grand kernel
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đŸ€š

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yeah demand from budget gamers that got priced out of better options

ashen swan
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I need power bank for my framework 12 any reccomendation ?

ashen swan
grand kernel
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any maplestory players in the chat

heady plinth
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My pc broke after getting knocked off the desk at about the peak of the second wave of crypto nonsense. I ended up using a 1060 3gb for about a year. You needed at least 4gb for eth mining.

worn wave
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Same vram, cheaper, only a little slower ¯_(ツ)_/¯

grand kernel
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AMD has some wild architecture names

frigid stag
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i dont remember the specifics

grand kernel
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yes, 3060ti and 3070 had identical mining performance

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but 3060ti consumed a little less power on average

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and of course cost less

heady plinth
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It was mainly memory bandwidth dependent wasn't it?

grand kernel
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yeah 3080 was way better than 3090 for mining

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but 3090 was still profitable

worthy meteor
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Everything was profitable at the peak lol

grand kernel
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any miner that knew what they were doing would downclock the gpu a ton to save power cause the gpu was much less important

ashen swan
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So whats the diffrence between 3070 and 3060 ti

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like

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is it worth the 1000 dollars plus

worthy meteor
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Stronger core

grand kernel
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1000 dollars plus?

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what

worthy meteor
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Whoa what since when was 3070 $1000 more

ashen swan
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NTD

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Taiwan money

grand kernel
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💀

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ah...

heady plinth
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Is that like 5 to 1?

grand kernel
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1000 ntd = 31.24 usd

ashen swan
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so it's like
170 smt to 250 smt

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170 being 3060 ti
250 being 3070

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or a 3070 ti being 270

grand kernel
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for that difference get the 3060ti

worn wave
ashen swan
gleaming sedge
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what would cause my youtube video to stop playing but audio to keep going when playing certain games and tabbed into the games? it gets fixed when i tab out of the game

worthy meteor
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If it's $170 vs $250 then 3060ti, if it's only a $30 difference so $170 and $200, I'd say prob 3070

heady plinth
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They perform measurably different but maybe not noticeably different without an fps counter.

worthy meteor
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I'd put the difference at somewhere around 10%

ashen swan
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Paired with a 270K plus

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or

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I could just save for a 3080 or 9070

grand kernel
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don't bother getting a 270K plus with a 3060ti/3070

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unless you plan to upgrade gpu very soon after

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just get the 250K

worn wave
ashen swan
#

this is not for games

grand kernel
#

ah

#

well

heady plinth
#

What is it for?

ashen swan
#

I'm doing Gimp (so exporting stuff)

#

it's basically Photoshop but avilable on linux

#

Blender might be smt + editing

grand kernel
#

3060ti and 3070 are the same chip but 3060ti has 38 SMs enabled and 3070 has 46

#

same 8gb gddr6 with 448 gb/s bandwidth

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same 256-bit bus

heady plinth
#

And now that extra 3gb look a lot more useful.

grand kernel
#

ok 2080ti was not close to 3080

worn wave
#

Well, more than a bit (iirc)

worthy meteor
grand kernel
#

you would probably need epower + a chiller to get a 2080ti to match a 3080

worn wave
#

Didn't you have a power mod?

grand kernel
#

what was your time spy result?

#

my bottom tier 3080 model that lost the silicon lottery really badly got 19042 graphics score in time spy

worn wave
#

Also one anecdotal example doesn't mean you can say 2080ti = 3080

grand kernel
#

that was the worst gpu i ever owned

#

in terms of silicon lottery

#

best it could do was +45 core/+430 mem lol

#

i got a red screen of death at +440 mem

ashen swan
#

I’m just gonna get a 3070 tbh higher peformance then a B580 and possibility to mod it 16gb

grand kernel
#

3070 16gb mod is not something you should be seriously considering

ashen swan
grand kernel
#

nah 2080ti was nowhere near 3080 unless you were doing something really exotic with the 2080ti

ashen swan
#

Not smt I will do once I get the card

grand kernel
#

i'm talking about time spy

#

a good 3080 can do 20840 on stock air

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for 3080???

#

đŸ€š

#

i think you are either looking at overall score

#

or extreme cherry picking

worn wave
#

All of 30/40 (and maybe 50?) series don't OC as well as previous generations

grand kernel
#

rank 1 air cooled 2080ti on hwbot is 17490 graphics score

heady plinth
#

Might depend on model? A lot of 4070 had a single 8 pin so they wouldn't have much room to increase power limit. The 12vhpwr ones could have that higher.

grand kernel
#

so the rank 1 air cooled 2080ti was still nowhere near my absolute lemon of a 3080

#

rank 1 air cooled 3080 is 20840

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17490 vs 20840

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probably thrashes the 3080 as soon as >10gb vram is needed

manic trail
#

I love my 3080

grand kernel
#

looks at my 9070xt crashing from running out of vram

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at 1440p

#

cyberpunk

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yeah

grand kernel
#

I have texture mods that increase the vram usage by ~1.5gb

#

I have to close some background stuff to not run out of vram lol

#

well the 3080 was marketed as a 4K card when it came out

#

was true when it came out but idk about now lol

grand kernel
#

3090 was marketed as an 8K card... wasn't even true when it came out

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8K 10 fps

leaden pewter
#

So I’ve done some testing and have came to some results about the new dynamic FG and 6x mode, simple to say 6x isn’t worth the use unless you don’t care about image quality, but their new FG model (preset B) is better with image clarity and stability and this is running it on ultra performance at 4k and any dlss 4.5 title

grand kernel
#

perfect

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SLI was long dead by the time the 3090 came out

leaden pewter
#

1080ti was the peak of sli and the final king of a true rasterization

grand kernel
#

i have no idea what the use case of 6x frame gen is

#

the games that you want super high fps in are also the games that care enough about input lag that you wouldn't want any frame gen, no?

heady plinth
#

Pretty much.

grand kernel
#

not like these 50 series cards are gonna struggle to hit like 800 fps in cs2 or whatever

heady plinth
#

They can put bigger number on bar graph though.

grand kernel
#

you really need 6x frame gen to push it to 4800 fps?

leaden pewter
#

High refresh rate monitors but mainly to push 8k at “playable frames”

ashen swan
#

A 2080 ti seems pretty good ?

grand kernel
#

i mean there's still that base fps requirement to really be playable

leaden pewter
#

Hint the quotations

grand kernel
#

fair

heady plinth
#

And frame gen will lower that by a significant amount when you turn it on. Like turning 60 into '100'.

grand kernel
#

i don't think anything beyond 2x really matters

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there's an argument i can imagine for 3x

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4x is already just unnecessary

leaden pewter
#

Tho in cyberpunk I did get 350fps avg with PT at 4k which looked smooth but again brought upon image instability

grand kernel
#

not surprising

frigid stag
#

maybe not but the 5090 being even higher above that is

grand kernel
#

is that just the rx 9070? or 9070 and 9070xt combined

frigid stag
#

non xt

grand kernel
#

cause I really doubt the 9070 is the most popular radeon gpu

frigid stag
#

not sure

grand kernel
#

interesting

frigid stag
#

it is a bit cheaper so maybe

heady plinth
#

The 9070s main purpose in life was to be a price anchor to ge you to buy a 9070xt.

grand kernel
#

hmm yeah steam appears to detect my 9070xt as a 9070xt and not a 9070

leaden pewter
#

The new dlss FG preset B also reduces usage on some resources to help boost more base frames and clarity and text is a lot more readable and closer to native but only at 2-3x and with ultra perf preset (model L)

frigid stag
#

and get the same performane

grand kernel
#

ok i just checked the steam hardware survey

#

not surprised by the top radeon gpu

#

7800xt, 1.1%

heady plinth
#

Is it 580?

frigid stag
#

580s prob near the bottom

upper rain
grand kernel
#

though i would personally just group the rx 6600/6600xtt/6650xt together

#

in that case that would be the top at 1.42%

neat plover
frigid stag
#

i thought it was in cad

upper rain
#

my modded 9070 non XT gets roughly 5080 performance. but that's also with vmod

#

they overclock really really well

worn wave
#

Fwiw this hardware survey had some odd results

heady plinth
#

6600 had a different core, 6650xt had different memory spec.

grand kernel
#

rx 580 is kinda hanging in there

upper rain
grand kernel
#

or 3050 8gb and 3050 6gb

upper rain
grand kernel
#

or 2060 and 2060 KO

neat plover
grand kernel
#

or 3080 10gb and 3080 12gb

upper rain
grand kernel
neat plover
heady plinth
frigid stag
#

probably a lot of budget buyers

upper rain
heady plinth
upper rain
lone mango
#

My 9070 is at -90

grand kernel
lone mango
ashen swan
#

not a ti

lone mango
#

240w, so it undervolted is probably faster than a reference xt

upper rain
#

you save close to $700 and get 10% lower performance

lone mango
#

I have it at 200w and it matches the 240w at stock values

leaden pewter
#

Also spent months wondering if my partners 13400f might’ve been updated a bit too late cause we kept having instability in every game because cpu kept getting pinned until I found out he had amd anti-lag which ate through his cpu like it was nothing, we spent months wondering if his 7700xt was too much or if his cpu had corroded

grand kernel
#

i would say the rx 6600 is more similar to the rx 6650xt than the rtx 3050 6gb is to the rtx 3050 8gb

grand kernel
upper rain
heady plinth
grand kernel
#

oh wait, misremembered

leaden pewter
grand kernel
#

13400F has two different steppings, one of which is alder lake and one of which is raptor lake

neat plover
upper rain
grand kernel
leaden pewter
#

12th gen is alder lake

upper rain
grand kernel
#

the issue is caused by voltage requests being too high

#

13400f is not requesting high voltages

upper rain
#

a lot of low end 13/14 gen is alderlake

#

iirc i5 K SKU up is RPL, the non K i5's and lower are ADL

#

probably a few exceptions

#

13400f is literally just a locked 12600k for example

grand kernel
#

i5-13400f max boost is 4.6ghz
i9-13900k max boost is 5.8ghz stock

heady plinth
#

13400f and 14400f had B0 and C0 models. They supposedly aren't very different for perofrmance though.

grand kernel
#

either way there's no real difference

tranquil pebble
#

craptor lake

upper rain
heady plinth
#

Even the unlocked i5s were pretty unlikely to run into the problem though.

grand kernel
#

đŸ€š

upper rain
leaden pewter
#

We saw cpu being pinned even in games like phasmophobia, arc raiders, at 1080p low- medium settings and weren’t even getting about 100fps and then performance kept dropping significantly and stuttering

upper rain
#

a lot of i5's have problems, but whether it's disproportional to how many were sold vs i7 and i9 i have no idea

grand kernel
upper rain
grand kernel
#

at the very least, intel ark shows same L2 for 13400f and 12600k

#

and intel ark is claiming 13400f is raptor lake so i assume the specs on there are for the raptor lake stepping

grand kernel
upper rain
heady plinth
#

Cove isn't the same as lake. They are all raptor lake because they're 13th gen.

upper rain
#

as opposed to Raptor Cove

grand kernel
#

🙃

#

fun naming

leaden pewter
#

9950x3d so good they had to make a sequel

grand kernel
#

interesting

#

would expect them to be grouped together given how they treat nvidia cards

upper rain
#

as opposed to 'real' RPL which uses raptor cove

lunar bobcat
#

i love it when something doesnt install

upper rain
#

both use gracemont E cores

lunar bobcat
upper rain
grand kernel
#

not a single rx 9000 card is even on the list 😔

lunar bobcat
#

im using a rx9070 too im shocked its not on there

upper rain
#

which is bizarre because all indications seem to be that Navi48 is selling far better than GB203, and both 5070 ti and 5080 are listed above 9070/xt

grand kernel
#

my guess is that radeon might be doing well in diy market

upper rain
grand kernel
#

but as usual diy market is completely irrelevant compared to prebuilts

heady plinth
#

Selling better diy but not in prebuilts, yeah that would be my thought too.

grand kernel
#

i still rarely see prebuilts with radeon

upper rain
#

that is the argument, but i doubt that it's so much bigger that minimum 80% greater sales in DIY wouldn't at minimum balance the scales

grand kernel
#

well...

upper rain
#

how many people are dropping $2500 on an acer prebuilt with a 5060 ti in this economy?

grand kernel
#

the prebuilt segment might be 100x the size of the diy segment

#

most of them, as soon as you leave the bubble you're in

#

💀

upper rain
#

most of the normies i know buy dells without GPUs lol

#

which is remarkable because Intel iGPU is also really low on the list

heady plinth
#

Alienware, ibuypower, abs, cyberpower, etc... sell a lot of computers.

upper rain
#

which you wouldn't expect

grand kernel
#

i mean... normies that care enough to buy a gaming pc

upper rain
#

oh, i mean to imply that they think they're buying a gaming pc lol

grand kernel
#

though there are quite a few non gaming pcs/laptops that bundle an nvidia xx50 gpu for whatever reason

upper rain
#

they just look at the i5/i7 badge and then complain when it only plays minecraft

heady plinth
#

It's steam though. It's not the microsoft outlook hardware survey.

grand kernel
#

i mean... i don't think steam is something you have to be knowledgeable about pcs to be on

#

the same people buying a dell with no gpu for gaming are probably still on steam

ashen swan
#

someone is selling a 2080 at the same price as a 3080

heady plinth
#

I don't think there are many of those. Maybe the light gaming laptop crowd or the epic games launcher and roblox crowd.

ashen swan
#

💀

#

Buzzer

grand kernel
#

stardew valley is on steam

#

terraria

#

bunch of games with super wide appeal for casual playerbase

frigid stag
#

mw2019 was cheap on steam for the sale

#

like 5$

grand kernel
#

i got plenty of friends on steam that don't know anything about computers

#

i was on steam before i knew anything about computers lol

frigid stag
#

cod hq probably

grand kernel
#

i had never even heard of AMD

heady plinth
#

I was the opposite. My steam account is only slightly older than my 3rd gaming pc I built.

grand kernel
#

my steam account is 3 years older than my first pc

#

just checked

ashen swan
#

oops

craggy shoal
ashen swan
#

https://www.ebay.com/itm/157798223554?
Chat this is pretty good deal ? to bad I don't live in US

#

it's a bid

#

that explains it

#

9900X or 270K plus

neat plover
#

is msi afterburner the best overdcdllocking app

upper rain
upper rain
neat plover
#

how much the pc shown in this discord banner bro

ashen swan
upper rain
# ashen swan smt like that yes

if you plan on hanging on to your CPU for 5 or more years, 270k plus. if you plan to upgrade sooner than that, 9900x. the former is a better CPU in most respects, the latter has a better upgrade path

velvet summit
#

absolutely losing my mind over fslogix configuration with azure file share

#

maybe im just dumb

#

gaaahhhh

#

are my registry entries not correct

dusk knot
velvet summit
#

wait wtf

#

i created this why dont i have access

#

💀

dusk knot
#

Is this a "I'm the administrator but I'm locked out" moment?

velvet summit
#

even the user account that the vm is using should have the perms...

dusk knot
#

F

velvet summit
#

i guess i didnt need to censor the user

#

i didnt even do it for the command so whatever lmao

unborn wind
#

I love how no one in comments picked up that bros cpu is 53c with AIO in bios

velvet summit
#

its not that strange

#

idle temps depend on fan curves

#

loop could have been preheated since they may have had the pc on for a while

#

or maybe they didnt plug in the pump

#

but they'll notice it pretty quickly when they start actually doing anything

unborn wind
#

Yeah

grand kernel
#

53c in bios is completely normal for ryzen cpu

upper rain
#

modern CPUs are also really hard to keep at low temps even at idle, they're really quite dense and IHSs make it even more of a problem

rancid juniper
grand kernel
#

yeah

rancid juniper
#

nice

grand kernel
#

2754

#

now i'm just leaving it running cyberpunk torture test at -70mV while i play a switch game instead lol

rancid juniper
#

almost aggressive uv for a game

lone mango
#

Equals high boost on probably a single core given the high voltage

#

Which is why the temperature is elevated but not high

grand kernel
#

optimal overclocking setup

pseudo raven
#

are you left handed

grand kernel
#

no

pseudo raven
#

ok it looks like you have no mouse pad space to me but

#

maybe you just keep your keyboard more to the side than I do

grand kernel
#

i have like

#

12 inches of space for my mouse?

lone mango
#

Ah

grand kernel
#

i am a 2400 DPI gamer so 12 inches is overkill

lone mango
#

You have the keyboard across the desk

grand kernel
#

not really

#

it's slightly left of center of the main monitor

#

i have a vertical monitor to the left

lone mango
#

I forgot how much 2400 is

#

I was thinking of 1200

#

Understandable then

pseudo raven
#

I keep my keyboard in line with my monitors left edge almost

#

and then my mouse goes off to the right

grand kernel
#

2400 DPI means i can move 28800 pixels in 12 inches of space

#

which is uhh

pseudo raven
#

yeah I use 600 dpi

#

lol

lone mango
#

Same

grand kernel
#

almost 8x what i actually need

#

for 1200x1920 and 2560x1440

lone mango
#

Im either 550-600 I forgot

pseudo raven
#

you only really need low dpi if you play shooters

#

i really don't anymore but

#

I'm used to it already

grand kernel
#

i would need a minimum of 1.6 inches of mouse space for my setup

#

lol

pseudo raven
#

is that math right

#

does the windows thing not affect it

grand kernel
#

what windows thing

pseudo raven
#

windows mouse settings

#

speed

grand kernel
#

all i know is my hand barely moves

pseudo raven
#

you probably have a heavy ass mouse

grand kernel
#

it's a g502 hero i think i have all of the weights in

pseudo raven
#

yeah ok so

grand kernel
#

so 139g

pseudo raven
#

5 times the weight of my mouse

#

damn near

grand kernel
#

wtf

#

your mouse is 28g?

pseudo raven
#

yes

grand kernel
#

đŸ€š

pseudo raven
#

well technically right now my mouse is 39g

#

sora v2

#

but I'm getting one tomorrow that is 28g

#
grand kernel
#

bro my keyboard switch actuation force is 2x your mouse weight

pseudo raven
#

💀

lunar bobcat
#

question for the peanut gallery....how do i install gpu drivers on linux for amd gpu's

grand kernel
#

55g actuation 63.5g bottom out

#

which linux

pseudo raven
#

Ok wtf

#

Heavy ass switches

grand kernel
#

i only know about arch

languid drum
lunar bobcat
pseudo raven
#

I think my keyboard is like 35g

grand kernel
#

if it's arch you don't need to install them

#

they are installed automatically

lunar bobcat
#

thanks

#

wanted to make sure

pseudo raven
#

I don't know why I even buy new mouse still

#

Purely for the love of the game I think

grand kernel
#

lol i been using the same mouse for like 10 years

pseudo raven
#

i haven't used a mouse longer than about two years

grand kernel
#

it's showing a lot of physical wear but it still does what i want it to do

pseudo raven
#

and it's never because it's broken

grand kernel
#

think i built this keyboard 5 years ago? still fine

pseudo raven
#

yeah keyboard wise I'm sticking to mine for a while

#

it's already basically the best I can get I think

#

boog75

grand kernel
#

i mean you upgrade mouse every 2 years

#

i used to upgrade pc hardware every 2 months

#

it is what it is

pseudo raven
#

you see there's some innovation in mice at least

#

every couple of months the weight drops a bit

grand kernel
#

i like heavy

#

💀

pseudo raven
#

I started with an 80g mouse, went down to 70g, 60g, 50g, 39g and now 28g

pseudo raven
#

sheeple

lunar bobcat
#

Nasa needs some gaming pc's keep all the screens and have less keyboards and mice on the desks lmao

grand kernel
#

120g is too light

#

i'm not sorry

elfin mural
#

i don't care how light or heavy my mouse is tbh

#

i just want something that actually lasts in terms of switches

#

double clicking is annoying

worn night
#

when friend groups fight its hilariously chaotic

grand kernel
#

people say logitech mice die fast by design

#

cause they use wrong voltage on the switches to make them die faster

#

but i have not been kind to this mouse and it refuses to die so idk

dusk knot
grand kernel
#

yeah this g502 going strong after 10+ years

pseudo raven
#

yeah g pros have somewhat shoddy build quality

elfin mural
#

older logi was better

random osprey
#

my gpro superlight only has some slight double clicking issues and sensor/tracking issues on some mousepads

queen briar
upper rain
elfin mural
#

my g304 double clicks intermittently

#

the scroll wheel is a bit wonky

pseudo raven
#

i use my artisan mousepad at school now

grand kernel
#

honestly i'd expect my next mouse to last 10+ years too so maybe i'll be disappointed

queen briar
#

he said he cant get into PC gaming cause he likes the haptic feedback on the controller

upper rain
#

i love my g300s... they don't make them anymore. i had to buy an open box one off of ebay when my original died

pseudo raven
#

because I like the razer pro glide better for actual use

queen briar
#

i told him if he wants something that vibrates, ill get him a little somethign something. they have vibrating gaming chairs now. dude couldnt stop laughing.

pseudo raven
#

so it was collecting dust at home

#

slightly funny because most people that see it every day have no idea I wasted 40 dollars on it

queen briar
random osprey
pseudo raven
#

are you into iems too by the way?

#

don't remember if you are

#

but I bought this $8 Samsung wired pair and it's genuinely mind-blowing

grand kernel
#

i have moondrop variations

random osprey
#

not super like i was with mice/mousepads. i have had 2 pairs of moondrop aria's, chu's chu II's, i have the truthear x crin red and truthear x crin zero2 rn

pseudo raven
#

and my baseline is quite literally 400 dollar xenn tea pros

elfin mural
#

i have come to dislike iems because they're so much hassle to fit right in my ears

#

the sound profile can sound different depending on the way i put em in

pseudo raven
#

yeah it's hard to find a good fit sometimes

#

but I think they're a pretty good value for the sound quality you get

queen briar
#

its there a brand that make ear buds that fit to your ear

grand kernel
#

are you gonna ask your question 💀

queen briar
#

the ear piece comes off and if you put it in warm water, itll be maluable

pseudo raven
#

or maybe like

#

#4

elfin mural
#

im not interested in custom brands, they tend to be hella expensive

queen briar
elfin mural
#

i just solve the issue by using headphones

grand kernel
#

if you have a question just ask don't make me ask you to ask your question

pseudo raven
#

there's companies that take hearing aid scans

queen briar
#

so I was browsing online earlier and some dude was asking how to get win11 to work on his pentium 4

pseudo raven
#

and then make custom iems for you based off them

queen briar
grand kernel
#

well first of all why

pseudo raven
#

like 64audio

queen briar
#

but like... pentium 4 is a 32 bit processor, no?

grand kernel
#

no

queen briar
#

oh, then im wrong

grand kernel
#

there are a lot of cpus named pentium 4

#

the original pentium 4s (willamette) were 32 bit yes

#

64-bit support was added somewhere in the prescott era

elfin mural
#

p4 is quite a huge lineup spanning into 2006 iirc

grand kernel
#

there were 7 generations of pentium 4s

opaque sedge
#

Should i bite

frigid stag
#

Jk

elfin mural
#

lga 775 has many variants and chipsets

grand kernel
#

willamette, northwood, gallatin xe, prescott, prescott 2m, prescott 2m xe, cedar mill

opaque sedge
#

It looks pretty cool tho feelsweird

queen briar
#

oh, alright

elfin mural
#

and yeah you can't plop in a c2d into a board made for early pentium 4

#

despite it bring 775 socket

frigid stag
heady plinth
#

Is that like the old ak500?

opaque sedge
#

Gamersnexus covered it

grand kernel
#

pentium 4 went from 180nm and 1.4ghz to 65nm and 3.6ghz with HT

opaque sedge
#

And its uh deepcool’s single tower cooler

grand kernel
#

of course none of them are officially supported by windows 11 but with some modification you should be able to get it running on any of the 64-bit ones

#

you definitely shouldn't... but you can do it

elfin mural
#

don't think it would even boot win 11 due to the lack of cpu instructions required

opaque sedge
#

Which is mega expensive

#

And only 6 heatpipes but given how thicc it is prolly doesn’t matter

grand kernel
elfin mural
#

interesting

grand kernel
opaque sedge
elfin mural
#

ah it has SSE3

frigid stag
#

How slow is it tho

elfin mural
#

that's why it works

frigid stag
dusk knot
opaque sedge
frigid stag
#

60

opaque sedge
#

I dont trust aios

#

Cuz of my 5080