general-chat

[hoary zodiac]

NgreedAI

[opaque sedge]

pepe with tinfoil hat calling AI bad and the doom of civilization

or just hating it ig

[proud jackal]

Oh, we don't have an Ai emote

[hoary zodiac]

Scammer?

[mental yoke]

LMAO WHY IS IT IN GOOGLE DOCS

Oh nvm

I didn't open it

It is gmail

[hoary zodiac]

It is pretty sus tho

[mental yoke]

Yeah if you call discord and confirm it's you they wouldn't care

Have had it happen before

[hoary zodiac]

yeah that's what I thought

ok this is VERY SUS

[mental yoke]

Besides, most hackers wouldn't want you to know they're entering an account

Pretty sloppy hacker

😭

Yeah don't trust it

Tell them to call and leave it at that

[fresh timber]

@gaunt creek

[hoary zodiac]

I just told them to contact discord support and blocked them

Pretty sure it's a scam

[worn wave]

it absolutely is

[hoary delta]

Hey guys never put in a second hard drive could anyone help me out with some simpleton questions

[topaz crown]

Hello @hoary delta! It appears that you're asking for help. Please ask again in the appropriate category so you can get faster help from people specializing in that field. Your question may not be answered here.

[worn wave]

they get you in touch with the "staff member" and then they send you dodgy links n stuff

[mental yoke]

These scams nowadays are changing and it's kinda scary how legit some of them look

[hoary delta]

sry I’ll go to help chat

[fresh timber]

o god

the rabbithole

[hoary zodiac]

Reported the account too

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAHAHAHHAHA

I should've dragged them out longer

Should I troll him?

[fresh timber]

im dragigng it out

i got nothing better to do

im steaing ur number

[hoary zodiac]

Did you message the "mod"?

[fresh timber]

yuh

ima see wheer this goes

o god @hoary zodiac

[hoary zodiac]

Qait

I'm gonna send this to him

[fresh timber]

stop

ur selling

[hoary zodiac]

With your user capped out

[fresh timber]

do not

im still fishing

[hoary zodiac]

Ah

[fresh timber]

ur going to sell

[hoary zodiac]

yeah ok

[fresh timber]

i wanna get to the scam part

[hoary zodiac]

I'm gonna annoy him with cryptic messages

[fresh timber]

they want my real name now

yeah no bud

[hoary zodiac]

John Smith

[fresh timber]

should i risk my burner discord acc

[hoary zodiac]

Send this

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/22112022518167-BEWARE-Fake-Discord-accounts-sending-you-DMs-saying-that-you-can-be-suspended-for-fradulent-charges-unless-you-send-a-random-account-a-friend-request

What's funny is that one google search reveals that it's an obvious scam

[fresh timber]

only thing blocked out is my burner email

time to stalk my email

[hoary zodiac]

Wait

Ask if they accept gift cards

[deep parcel]

I wouldnt even have gone that far into the scam

[fresh timber]

and they sent me a sketchy link

[deep parcel]

I would have started sending them memes constantly until they block me

[hoary zodiac]

Their time deserve to be wasted

[fresh timber]

anazlying time

[hoary zodiac]

You know what

Yes

[fresh timber]

im wastint their time

1 less victum

[hoary zodiac]

I'm gonna unblock and do it again

[deep parcel]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/url time?

[fresh timber]

when im done u do it

wtf

this is a real link..

[deep parcel]

nah check the markup

[fresh timber]

i checked the markup

thats the link

discord tells you

[deep parcel]

maybe its a real link to throw you off for the next link

[fresh timber]

duh

im not clickin it

my virtual machine will touch it :))

o lord

[deep parcel]

you should also scan the sus link you get on virustotal

[fresh timber]

mhh

call

erm

obs time?

[deep parcel]

nvm im hella tired

[fresh timber]

mhh

is it block time

i aint in the mood to call this mf

[deep parcel]

you should just say you cant talk right now

your mic broken

and speakers are broken

[fresh timber]

how do i make my screenshare run at 2fps

ok is it time for spam

im tired of them

[dusk knot]

@deep parcel no Gpu upgrade to this gen?

[fresh timber]

@hoary zodiac gogogogo

attack

[deep parcel]

dunno

[fresh timber]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mayamaldonado/ o lord

[deep parcel]

L way to end it

[hoary zodiac]

they stopped responding to me lmao

[fresh timber]

these scams are getting creative

[deep parcel]

should meme spammed

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAH

ALL THAT EFFORT FOR A CRAPPY SCAM

[fresh timber]

FFR

https://www.instagram.com/mayamaldonado2024/

bro

they went thorugh all this efford

[dusk knot]

I am in the same dilemma

[fresh timber]

[deep parcel]

AND verified!?

[fresh timber]

FR

[deep parcel]

probably the real account

just stolen name/photo

verified is hard to get around

[fresh timber]

ethan

[deep parcel]

theyd need a real ID

[fresh timber]

sus

i blocked their ass

[pliant berry]

discords official accounts you can't even message

[hoary zodiac]

lmao he's given up

[pliant berry]

the second you get a message like that from anyone that should immediately be a huge red flag to anyone

[hoary zodiac]

I started on a rant about the breakup of yugoslavia

that scared him away

[fresh timber]

scammer ahh

reporting them

[deep parcel]

@dusk knot but yeah no real reason to upgrade tbh... Maybe my cpu but like gpu I dont really see much of a reason because I can run all my games just fine... if I start to not be able to play my games well then ill upgrade.... I need to save up more monies

[fresh timber]

now we got evidance on them tnaks to me

[hoary zodiac]

I reported him right away

🥱

[fresh timber]

mf gave me the evidance

now discord got all the chat logs

[hoary zodiac]

what I don't get

who falls for this crap

[pliant berry]

because maya needs your help

[fresh timber]

;kek

[hoary zodiac]

maya fortnite needs your credit card number

[fresh timber]

their should be a discord bot with a database full of scammesr and alerts mods when said account joins your server

[hoary zodiac]

they make new accounts

they get banned so fast that just keep making them

[fresh timber]

and people will keep catching those accounts

if theirs a consistant update, like daily updates on the scmamer list it would be a useful tool

build a large server up and boom, even if it reduces scams by a little, its better than 0

[hoary zodiac]

discord is too crappy to do something actually useful

[pliant berry]

discord has gotten decent at stopping raids. it's not so much they alert the mods but the mods alert discord of raids and bots coming in to either limit them coming in or investigate it

[hoary zodiac]

instead they have to move a reply button 1px to the right on the mobile app

[fresh timber]

doesnt stop me and my boys from joining a random server and spamming

ahh the memories

[hoary zodiac]

you shouldn't anyways

[pliant berry]

well I don't think that is their concern

[hoary zodiac]

that's a server side issue

[fresh timber]

chat my right eye has been itcy for weeks

[hoary zodiac]

discord moderators takes care of the mess after it happens

[fresh timber]

ima put carmadx in it

[hoary zodiac]

and I mean platform moderators

not the stereotypical basement dwelling "kitten" lovers

[dusk knot]

sounds good.....i think im good to...

[hoary zodiac]

usually upgrading every 2 generations is good but

[hoary delta]

need some help in #storage-devices if anyone is free

[hoary zodiac]

looking like this generation is a skip

[fresh timber]

be like me

every generation you upgrade

when 6080 drops you alr know ima cop

[hoary zodiac]

no comment

[dusk knot]

Saving for 6090 now

For real this time

[fresh timber]

saving for da 5080

recent developemts in my life wil make it a realsitic goal

if only it was 24gb vram card

[full shoal]

Hey everyone. I am currently in a predicament. A supplier I know can offer me an open box of any of the following models for 750 CAD (pls do conversions to USD if needed)

LG 45GR95QE-B
Practically any 4K 240hz OLED. Currently LG, ASUS UCDM, Alienware, MSI. What do I go for? What is the best bang for my bucks?

Mainly JP

[hoary zodiac]

not sure who's the monitor experts here

[fresh timber]

monitors

[hoary zodiac]

maybe try #old-monitors-and-tv

[fresh timber]

i should buy a oled one day

[full shoal]

The OLEDS I saw at CC were so much deeper then the Neo g8

[full shoal]

For sure I will

[hoary zodiac]

I wouldn't make a decision just yet

[full shoal]

I can’t afford any 4K 27 inch it would be beyond my budget.

[hoary zodiac]

there's some people here that's really knowledgable with monitors

[full shoal]

Yeah for sure

[hoary zodiac]

they could give you some really good advice

[dusk knot]

the 6090 is going to be soo powerful that at 1440p 240fps on max settings, I'll only be utilization 30 percent of the GPU with the help of 10x MFG with DLSS 5.0

[hoary zodiac]

not sure if they're online atm

[full shoal]

😂

[fresh timber]

lol

[full shoal]

You skipping 5090

[fresh timber]

i wanna do 1440p 240hz

[full shoal]

What gpu do u even have

[hoary zodiac]

for only $2499!!!!

the more you buy the more you save

[fresh timber]

on aaa games i wanna do 1440p 100fps+

5090 4k 240??

[fair onyx]

I just bought lossless scaling last night, and its been blowing my mind at the performance uplift its given me, as well as how much power I can save

[dusk knot]

in the latest games

but in the future, it will be less

[fair onyx]

Now that I have lossless scaling, I can limit my games to lower frame rates, save a bunch of energy, and upscale to my panels full refresh rate, giving me smoother gaming while using less power. It rocks!

[dusk knot]

congrats

[fair onyx]

I think lots of people should look at buying it. Its super cool lol

and it can run on any program, and it works so good on so many things

[hoary zodiac]

ahh it's our residental AI enthusiast

what is your opinion on Nvidia Blackwell

[fair onyx]

Meowdy

[hoary zodiac]

I'd love to hear what you have to say

[fair onyx]

Blackwell sucks for AI, Digit is gonna be insane tho

[hoary zodiac]

wait really?

[fair onyx]

I am currently already planning on buying one

[hoary zodiac]

so the one marketing point...

it's not even good for that?

[fair onyx]

I mean... It is for some things

however

the stuff I do will still be basically useless on the 5090

[hoary zodiac]

so more on the gaming side

the 5090???

not even the 5080

is it worse than the 4090?

[fair onyx]

32GB VRAM is not good

[hoary zodiac]

in terms of what you do

[fair onyx]

oh no, its a lot better, but the 4090 has been severely limited as well

[hoary zodiac]

ah it comes back to vram 💀

[fair onyx]

Its always VRAM with AI

[hoary zodiac]

so basically it's just

not good

for anything

💀

[fair onyx]

Ok, for small things, it will be fantastic

[hoary zodiac]

damn I'd think you'd have a more positive response to blackwell

[fair onyx]

Image generation? Its gonna fly

Small text models? Its gonna be insane

[hoary zodiac]

ah

[fair onyx]

But I am trying to get into bigger text generation models, and the 5090 is gonna be severely useless for anything bigger than normal models

[hoary zodiac]

but for running anything on a larger scale it still sucks

[fair onyx]

yes

For reference

[hoary zodiac]

so jensen went on 2 hours yapping for AI and it's not even that great

[wraith fern]

blue chat

greetings

[hoary zodiac]

at least not enough to justify $2000

[dusk knot]

Crazy

[fair onyx]

lets say, you wanna run a 20B param model... at full FP16, thats 40GB

so too big for the 5090

If you wanna run 32B, its closer to 70GB, which is WAY too big, so you have to start lowering their accuracy much lower, which makes them worse

And 32B is still considered small

[hoary zodiac]

damn nobody has anything good to say about blackwell 💀

[fair onyx]

To really make you guys shiver, the new Deepseek V3 that beats chat GPT4o and all the other closed models... it needs 1.3TB of VRAM to run

[hoary zodiac]

it's even more peculiar how the marketing was so focused on AI then

[fair onyx]

Soooo yeah, 32GB is not really much lmao

[hoary zodiac]

HOLY

you need an entire datacenter

[fair onyx]

My friend owns one, and he runs it lmao

[hoary zodiac]

hmm

do you think nvidia releasing a gpu with say

[fair onyx]

he has 6, soon to be 8 A100 80GB's, and 6 A6000's

[hoary zodiac]

100GB of HBM2 for example

would help AI performance?

[pliant berry]

that just sounds like throwing money away

[fair onyx]

oh yeah, for sure. 100GB HBM2 is low now

[hoary zodiac]

unrealistic figure but still

more realistic for an ai dedicated gpu than what nvidia is putting out

ohhh

[fresh timber]

32 gb vram for 8k gaming

[fair onyx]

Friend has a 25 million dollar net worth and is working on a potential $75M contract with the US gov for a custom model

He has plenty of money to throw around lmao

[pliant berry]

yup, throwing money

[fresh timber]

Can he make ai TikTok

[hoary zodiac]

ah yes the government budget

[fair onyx]

he bought all of his GPU's off of just the interest of his money in the bank lmfao

[hoary zodiac]

WHAT

lucrative career

[fair onyx]

He said he gets about $30k a month in interest across all of his bonds and such

[hoary zodiac]

I might stay an extra year at uni for a masters then

[fair onyx]

He got lucky, it was all luck for him

[hoary zodiac]

I mean I'm more looking at the computer engineering-robotics side but they have ai as well

so

If it means THAT much money I might seriously look into it

[fair onyx]

His friend made a tech start up in the late 2010's, he was the CTO, company grew massive, sold for over $600M, and he had 5% stock in it, so he became a multi millionaire over night

[hoary zodiac]

ah

[fresh timber]

If I made that I’m having 3 oled displays c dual 5090 custom loop pc 9950x3d.

[hoary zodiac]

average silicon valley startup

[fresh timber]

My unlimited budget homelab would be insane

[hoary zodiac]

but yeah damn

blackwell not looking good for... anyone

[fair onyx]

So left me clarify, for MOST local AI use for general people, blackwell is gonna be insanely fast

But for the more serious stuff, they are still pretty worthless

[hoary zodiac]

the only thing that might be promising is frame gen but

eh

[fresh timber]

Yet people are still going to buy it kek

[hoary zodiac]

still tho if you need a 4090

5090*

or even 5070

[fair onyx]

Yeah, the 5090 is the only card that will be able to do anything more than the 3090 or 4090

[hoary zodiac]

really?

[fair onyx]

the 3090 or 4090 would be a better buy if you just want AI

[hoary zodiac]

how does the 5070 and 5080 compare?

or are they just meh too

[fair onyx]

yeah, again, its all about VRAM

[hoary zodiac]

ah

[fair onyx]

the more VRAM, the more you can do

[hoary zodiac]

even for general ai usage?

[proud jackal]

did someone say

[fresh timber]

Mac mini

[proud jackal]

Ai?

[hoary zodiac]

simple models?

[fair onyx]

anything the 4090 can do, the 3090 can do identically as well, its just a bit slower

[hoary zodiac]

still get destroyed by an older, cheaper gpu?

or at least

rather

[fair onyx]

well, it depends on how big said model is

[hoary zodiac]

better perf/$

[fair onyx]

lets say the model uses 12GB and you're comparing a 16GB blackwell card vs a 16GB ada card, the blackwell one is gonna run circles around it all day every day

[hoary zodiac]

this looks like a "launch generation thing tbh"

[fair onyx]

but if you need a model that 24GB, the 3090 and 4090 would be way better values

[hoary zodiac]

where next gen is where we're going to see real performance

[fair onyx]

but besides, people who really want serious AI are gonna buy digits, like me

[fresh timber]

Ai

[fair onyx]

I am gonna be saving up for one

[fresh timber]

64gb unified

[hoary zodiac]

So basically the AI stuff is just nice for people who already have nvidia gpus

[fair onyx]

these things are abysmally bad value

[hoary zodiac]

for $4000 I have to agree

[fresh timber]

What about the m4 mini, I swear some dude get like 4 of them in a cluster

[fair onyx]

I mean, it will still allow everybody to have way faster access to local models that are small (where a lot of progress is being made), so it will bush things further

[hoary zodiac]

hmm

so the tech just needs more time to mature

[fair onyx]

the champion of serious AI value will be the digit

[hoary zodiac]

this is like the RTX 2000 of AI

where early adopters take a hit

[fair onyx]

I am looking to get a digit, maybe 2 depending on how good they are

[hoary zodiac]

before later gens start become more accessible

[pliant berry]

what were even the specs of the digit

[fair onyx]

20 ARM cores, 10 fast, 10 low power, a huge 1PFLOP Fp4 core, 128GB unified LPDDR5X

and a 4TB SSD

and its smaller than a mac mini

[pliant berry]

how much was this costing

[fair onyx]

~$3000

its an insanely good value, assuming the memory bus is X16 and not X8

[pliant berry]

tbh I wasn't paying much attention to this. is it just supposed to be a purpose built desktop running mostly standard software or is this more a developer thing

[fair onyx]

and you can get 2 and cluster them

[fair onyx]

its made for anybody more serious about AI

it runs its own custom Linux, and it has support for all the big Ai frameworks and tools

[hoary zodiac]

$3000?

that's like 1.5 5090s

it'd outperform it right?

[fair onyx]

yeah, but it has 128GB memory instead of 32

[hoary zodiac]

DAMN

[pliant berry]

so more of a friendly dev thing

[fair onyx]

the moment you get past 32GB of memory need, absolutely

below 32GB, no chance

but I need BIG memory

[pliant berry]

when I first saw it my initial thought was local home ai

[hoary zodiac]

seems like a more practical option than a 5090 for ai specialisation

[fair onyx]

Thats what I am buying one for

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder if in a decade we'll see home AI models on SBCs

for under $100

[fair onyx]

I found a model that is made for medical diagnosis, and my mother and I have a lot of medical issues that have been overlooked by incompetend doctors. After a few hours with the small version of this model, my mom and I were able to be properly diagnosed and start treatement, and are already feeling cosniderably better

The digit can run the 10X bigger way smarter version no problem

[pliant berry]

I don't think these things would be terribly useful to me for that price but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to experiment a little

[fair onyx]

I use local AI all day every day, so having a super small, power efficient, insanely large capacity accelerator for AI is like insane for me

HuaTuo, the medical model I am using has massively helped my mom just in the few days I have had it, and its the smaller far less capable version of the big one

I would also be able to run models like Mistral Large, which can rival ChatGPT4o locally

[hoary zodiac]

Honestly I'd love to see where this goes

like a smart home assistant but smarter

[fair onyx]

I am working on a huge project undertaking

Effectively, I downloaded all of English Wikipedia, and I want to use a tool to segment it into huge chunks of similar knowledge, then use an AI agent that can run low power to comb through all of it and answer very important questions in a catastrophe situation

Its called RAG, and its really cool what you can do with it

I already had a very small scale running that could run on a laptop, if you provided it with the wikipedia pages to vectorize

[hoary zodiac]

Sounds like something straight out of science fiction

[fair onyx]

It kinda is, its insane

[hoary zodiac]

that amount of automation would be really awesome

[fair onyx]

Yup, and with a digit, man I could do it

the best thing about the digit is how small and insanely low power it is

[hoary zodiac]

ohh

[fair onyx]

like, its insanely small

smaller than a mac mini

[hoary zodiac]

so it can be a seemless part of a homelab

that's awesome

[fair onyx]

not just that, but in case of an emergency, it can be powered and used with minimal energy

a medium sized battery bank with maybe 200 watts of solar power, and you can use it anywhere any time with all of the knowledge stored locally on it

all 6 million plus paged of wikipedia with the sounds/videos/images is justa bout 110GB which is not much at all for that level of knowledge

HuaTuo, that medical model I use can run on a lot of local desktop GPU's with 8+ GB VRAM, or even less if you are willing for it to be slower

[hoary zodiac]

the whole of wikipedia?

really?

that's tiny

all of humanity's knowledge can be stored into one usb drive

that'd be good to keep in a bunker

[worn wave]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia

[hoary zodiac]

to restart civilisation in case something funny happens

learn to build a nuc-

[fair onyx]

but like... I spent 2 hours talking with it about my moms test results, what shes been through, how things have been affecting her. It asked me extra questions, broke down the diagnosis the doctors gave her, and then told me why its wrong. I looked into it and fact checked it, and it was 100% right without fault

Turns out, they thought she had Shoulder bursitis, which requires you to not move your shoulder. In reality, she has frozen shoulder, which gets worse when you don't move, so she was making it worse with the treatment they prescribed based off a false diagnosis

It recommended a bunch of treatements and she started doing them, and started feeling considerably better in a few days

[hoary zodiac]

that would be amazing in a medical fields

not as an alternative

but to help doctors diagnose

humans aren't perfect and neither are ai

but combined this could have some real impact

[fair onyx]

I expanded it to her neck injury, and after 2 hours with that one, it figured that out too. She had been dealing with it for almost 2 years. Low and behold, its Myofascial pain syndrome, which she had a decade before and knew how to treat, and frozen shoulder is a huge side effect of it

It gave her a bunch of treatment info about it, she started doing it, and now shes in a lot less pain

[hoary zodiac]

this could open up new treatment options too

[rancid juniper]

got this on my recommended page

[fair onyx]

I used to to get proper medication for my anxiety, and its been working

[hoary zodiac]

the 1080TI was the best gpu nvidia ever made

🫡

[fair onyx]

It recommended Zoloft after I gave it a bunch of info, and it was spot on. I spoke to my doctor in a "hey, a friend suggested this and I have never heard of it, what do you think?" and he was like, thats a great suggestion!

And then I started it, and its been helping me a ton

[hoary zodiac]

Pascal will lose driver support eventually

[hoary zodiac]

yeah it seems like it could be great to have a consultant AI

[fair onyx]

So yeah, this is just a tiny local model that can run on any PC with 16GB of system RAM, or 8GB of VRAM

[hoary zodiac]

for each industry

[fair onyx]

but if I get a digit, I can run the WAY bigger and smarter version as well

[hoary zodiac]

humans can tunnel vision sometimes and not see better options

[fair onyx]

Do you know anything about open AI o1?

[hoary zodiac]

not really

is that their flagship model?

[fair onyx]

Its their CoT model. Well, its really cool, and people figured out how to make open versions of it, and they are revolutioning local AI

CoT stands for Chain of Thought, and they can do incredible things by reflecting on themselves and asking them selves things to illicit better responses

let me find an example real quick

If you ask a normal LLM, " how many letter Rs are there in the word strawberry?" a normal LLM will make a guess that will likely be wildly inaccurate because it doesn't understand the composition of words, because they work with tokens

However, a cot model will break the question down, and dissect the word letter by letter comparing against the letter R, before giving you a final answer

Example

For example, even super small CoT models can get that right, when ChatGPT 4o can't

HuaTuo, the medical model uses CoT to check its responses and expand upon its knowledge by asking its self questions to illicit better responses and information

[hoary zodiac]

I see

[mental yoke]

Technically won't chat gpt become outdated

[hoary zodiac]

so it's a more sophiscated way doing things instead of brute forcing it

[mental yoke]

It's only set in a certain year

[fair onyx]

it is outdated

chatGPT is already behind the curve

Claude 3.5 sonnet, o1 and DeepseekV3 are already better

[mental yoke]

Well I mean all ai systems I feel have to be

Or you run risk of regurgitation

[fair onyx]

DeepseekV3 is a free and open source model that beats closed models

but... you need insanely expensive hardware to run it 😅

[hoary zodiac]

FOSS is the way to go imo

more people can contribute to it over time

[mental yoke]

Internet based AI systems i feel will become bloated with regurgitation

[fair onyx]

Yes, locally run, tuned and optimized AI models on a smaller scale for specific use cases will outpace them in no time

[mental yoke]

(Open systems)

[hoary zodiac]

AI Incest

That's what I'm calling it

[mental yoke]

Essentially

[hoary zodiac]

They'll be training off each other

[fair onyx]

for example, Qwen 32B, which can run on a 3090 can trade blows with chat GPT 4o for code, while being less than 1/100th its size cause its meant to be good at JUST code

[mental yoke]

We already have so many articles written by AI

[pure mirage]

am being sold a ryzen 7 3700x for $200 cad and a zotac rtx 3060 12gb for $380 worth?

[mental yoke]

YouTube videos written by AI

Made too

[fair onyx]

Yeah, a lot of bad comes from AI, but a lot of good as well

[frigid stag]

3700x no

[fair onyx]

I am not trying to say any of that BS slop is good

[hoary zodiac]

Is that price for JUST the parts?

[mental yoke]

Not what I mean, I feel like later models will just die cause of this

[hoary zodiac]

Just those two parts?

[pure mirage]

yes both cad

[hoary zodiac]

Not worth

If it was half a pc I'd say so

If it was 3700x + mobo + psu + ram

[fair onyx]

For sure, yeah. Closed source and paid models are already rapidly being overtaken by free open source models that people can run locally and use for whatever they want with no limits

[pure mirage]

bet thanks

[sweet phoenix]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/nbGkhk

[mental yoke]

Oh yeah true on that, I want to make my own AI system and I shall call it JARVIS

[sweet phoenix]

7600 is like 10-15% better than the 3060 12gb

Unless you need nvidia for workstation use

Could also look for a 6700xt or similar used, like a 3060 ti, 2080 ti, 2080 super, 3070, etc

Is it?

What?

[fair onyx]

yeah

[sweet phoenix]

Everything I've seen says otherwise

[fair onyx]

AMD's only good GPU is the 7900XTX

[mental yoke]

I just don't know how to make an AI system as a personal assistant not connected to the internet but learns off of a current action

[fair onyx]

I am kinda working on something like that

it should be possible based off of saved RAG info. I am not sure how to explain that tho

[sweet phoenix]

What are yall on about? 4060-4070 have a 128 bit bus which hurts performance at 1440p. 7800xt matches the 4070 and is cheaper lnao

[mental yoke]

I wish I had time to learn how to code

[sweet phoenix]

7000 series isnt impressive but neither is 40 series

[fair onyx]

Oh man, AI can do a huge amount of that for you now 😅

Whats your PC spec?

[hoary zodiac]

What is going on here

I tab out and there's a war

[fair onyx]

I can help you set up local AI if you want 😉 @mental yoke

[sweet phoenix]

7600 is about equivelant to a 2080

[hoary zodiac]

That doesn't sound unreasonable

[sweet phoenix]

@edgy zephyr am I insane?

[mental yoke]

Oh my pc has a 4060ti, ryzen 7700, b650 motherboard, 128 gb ram, 2tb ssd

[hoary zodiac]

6600xt matches 2070s no?

[sweet phoenix]

7600 is slightly better than the 6650xt, and that 100% beats the 2070s.

[fair onyx]

8GB or 16GB 4060ti?

[mental yoke]

Ummm lemme double check, pretty sure the 16

[sweet phoenix]

=*

[fair onyx]

if its 16GB, you are in very good shape for running local AI

[sweet phoenix]

4060 ti loses to the 3060 ti in some games at 1440p, the 4070 loses to the 3080 12gb across the board, 4070 super is decent but at $600 compared to a $520-550 7900 gre it was still meh

7700xt was 100% overpriced until it dropped to $360

[mental yoke]

8gb damn

[sweet phoenix]

They trade blows, at 1440p most of the time yeah it does

[fair onyx]

ah dang, thats a big limit. However, with that fast CPU and a lot of system mem, you can still have some fun and do cool crap

[sweet phoenix]

Ti super at $800 vs $700 7900xt was overpriced

[mental yoke]

Well currently, just trying to learn all this pc stuff, trying to perfect the craft, understand it all. Then move to website coding. I'm developing an industry.

[fair onyx]

Oh thats dope man. Having local AI to bounce ideas off of and practice with could be a massive asset for you

[sweet phoenix]

First right below 4060 second right above 2080

[mental yoke]

Oh definitely if I had time to develop one

[sweet phoenix]

So by that logic so is the 4060 lmao

And it costs more than the 7600 to go with it

[hoary zodiac]

I'm just posting numbers so this argument can stop

You're low end

[fair onyx]

develop one?

[mental yoke]

A local ai

Code one yk

[fair onyx]

oh dude, they are insanely easy. there are 100k's of local models you can download and run very easily with tools that are out there, and you don't need to know any code to do so

[mental yoke]

Hmmm what's the website to this

[fair onyx]

https://huggingface.co/models

huggingface is the basis of all AI

They made transformers, which is what AI uses to even function

[mental yoke]

Id love to have a personal JARVIS ngl

[fair onyx]

you have everything here. Image to text, text to image, image 2 video, text to speech, speech to text, text to music, object detection, math, coding, science, and dozens more

[hoary zodiac]

That beats 2070s no?

I'm confused what is exactly the problem here

[sweet phoenix]

Ok, so i can agree the 4060 is slightly better. It does however cost $40-70 more for a very minor difference

[hoary zodiac]

What is the problem with the 7600?

[mental yoke]

No JARVIS one tho?

[sweet phoenix]

The 6700xt has also been $290-330 for quite a while

[fair onyx]

I mean, it depends on what specifically you are hoping for with JARVIS. I am not sure if there are all in one solutions like that, or if its something you would have to put together using different models and stuff

I am kinda working on that as well

[mental yoke]

Movie accurate Jarvis tbh

[fair onyx]

ok yeah, then for sure nothing like that yet

[sweet phoenix]

I'm hesitant about recommending intel cards still

[fair onyx]

you can get some cool stuff tho, if you want smaller and simpler things

[mental yoke]

I shall get to working on that 😂

[hoary zodiac]

For $359 CAD/$250 USD I don't see an issue here

[sweet phoenix]

I wouldnt buy one for my own pc, so why should I recommend it to someone

[hoary zodiac]

I'd agree on that cpu

[fair onyx]

the B580 is an insanely good deal

[mental yoke]

Crazy thing about me is I'm an information sponge. I learn things so fast when I want to

[fair onyx]

I am VERY excited fro the 24GB version

[hoary zodiac]

The B580 has cpu overhead issues

[sweet phoenix]

That seems perfect for you lmao

[fair onyx]

Same here, thats how I got to where I am with AI

[hoary zodiac]

It suffers a lot for lower end cpus

[sweet phoenix]

Triple b580 time

[fair onyx]

I mean, intel has bad AI support, but they are improving it WAY faster than AMD so lmao

[hoary zodiac]

They have way better resources than AMD IMO

Intel used to make compute cards for datacenters

[sweet phoenix]

Their ai perf increased pretty noticeably over 6000 series, no?

[hoary zodiac]

They technically already tried to make a dgpu before arc

[mental yoke]

Hey btw, what gpu would you pair with a ryzen 5 series btw

[sweet phoenix]

Not close to 40 series, but still

[fair onyx]

the perf yes, but basically nothing supports them still

its all on AMD to add support for all the AI tools

[sweet phoenix]

Also that's partially nvidias fault for keeping Cuda closed source

[fair onyx]

for what?

[sweet phoenix]

Thats... not really how that works

[fair onyx]

Yes it is, I have a friend whos job is to do exactly that 😅

[mental yoke]

Eh it's just a training computer, learning acrylic water tubing

[hoary zodiac]

Open source should allow AI support to be added no?

By third parties

AMD does have open source drivers on linux

[mental yoke]

Don't want anything expensive in it so I don't take a huge loss if it's ruined

But i want it to look nice

[hoary zodiac]

Training computer?

With a Ryzen 5?

[mental yoke]

Yes

[fair onyx]

AMD needs to develop better drivers that support RDNA 3 chips with the full feature sets that can be adapted to perform the calculations required by AI programs

The NAVI21 chip in the 7900XT/X has support for it and has good AI support, but everything below has very bad support and is basically useless for local AI, especially on windows@sweet phoenix

[hoary zodiac]

I'd say it'll happen faster on linux than windows

[sweet phoenix]

Is that what you meant when you said everything other than the xtx is trash?

[fair onyx]

ROCm is the reason that AMD's AI support is reallyyy bad, cause they have barely improved it at all for the cards that real people own

[fair onyx]

Oh, I meant value proposition wise. The 7900XTX is a good value

[hoary zodiac]

Ehhhhh

[fair onyx]

but yeah, for AI, AMD is basically useless

[hoary zodiac]

6750XT, 7700XT, 7800XT and 7800XT are all really good value at the moment

[fair onyx]

I am going off of its raster performance, 24GB VRAM, power efficiency, and capability to actually do solid AI

[hoary zodiac]

For general use

Oh

For AI

[sweet phoenix]

Two things, good to know about this i had no clue, sorry for how I spoke

Second the xtx is one of the worst value cards, price/frame the 7800xt/7900 gre/7900xt all had it beat

[hoary zodiac]

By value you mean value for ai right?

Not value for general use

[sweet phoenix]

The 7900xt is like 10% worse with 4gb less vram and was a good $200+ less

[fair onyx]

I mean GENERAL Value. If a card can't run AI in this day and age, I see that as a massive draw back, so anything below the 7900XT/X are at a massive disadvantage for value for me

[sweet phoenix]

I feel like most people aren't touching anything ai intensive

[fair onyx]

Thats fair, but thats why I was speaking on it in that way, personally

[hoary zodiac]

I'd say AI still has a couple generations to go

Lower end hardware still costs a lot of money

The average person is probably going to be running Intel HD graphics

[sweet phoenix]

I've got too many issues with ai as a whole

Not like they're going to take over the world

Natural resources, ai art/media

[hoary zodiac]

I'd say that's got more to do with AI misuse

Than AI itself

[frigid stag]

I’ve never seen anyone who’s not a bot actually like ai art

[hoary zodiac]

The problem is, and always had been, human beings

[fair onyx]

Yeah, I agree with you there

the big distinction is that a huge amount of that stuff is people misusing paid resources like chatGPT and midjourney, rather than the actually skilled and talented people whoa re using local, free and open source AI to do actually cool things that aren't making the world a worse place

[sweet phoenix]

Chatgpt uses abt 18ounces of water for a 100 word answer

[frigid stag]

Wait what

[fair onyx]

I am VERY anti-closed source AI

[sweet phoenix]

I agree, ai work has been around much longer than the last 2-3 years

[mental yoke]

You got that right, like I tried to go for the more out dated to save on my training pc, but it's still expensive

[hoary zodiac]

Go further back

Ryzen is way too expensive

Try sandy bridge

Or ivy bridge

[mental yoke]

How far my brotha

[fair onyx]

cause its BS that these companies can steal everybody's info and then CHARGE them to use it

Its why I support free open source AI, cause at least everybody can benefit from it, and it has no major money limits, or use limits

[hoary zodiac]

You don't actually need the pc to run that well right?

[frigid stag]

2600k is ultra cheap

[mental yoke]

Trueee

[hoary zodiac]

Get an i5 3470 or something

[sweet phoenix]

3470 maybe

[mental yoke]

Are the parts white tho

[sweet phoenix]

Lmao

[mental yoke]

Is the question

[frigid stag]

I7 970

[hoary zodiac]

I7 tax

3470 is cheaper

[sweet phoenix]

Is mobo alr owned?

[fair onyx]

I have local text gen models that are fully 100% uncensored with absolutely no moral alignment, which can asnwer questions that ShatGPT could never

[frigid stag]

1 dollar

[sweet phoenix]

1000 series ryzen is an option (idk what this is for)

[hoary zodiac]

Water cooling testing

[sweet phoenix]

Ah

[hoary zodiac]

I'd go as far back as 775 but I chose 1155 for mounting compatibility

[mental yoke]

1155?

[sweet phoenix]

Cheap a320 and cpu would be like $45-65 depending

[hoary zodiac]

The socket

[mental yoke]

Oh intel sockets

Took me a sec

[fair onyx]

One of my favorite uses for local AI is actually character development and concept feedback/bouncing ideas. Along with generating high quality recipes for food items I like with all of my preferences. I have made tools for that that can run on super light weight systems and can absolutely clown on the free version of chatGPT for quality

I have made some absolutely DELICIOUS recipes with it 😅

[hoary zodiac]

Closed source can eventually lead to slop if the people with the source code mismanage

[fair onyx]

its also fantastic for translating, or modifying already existing recipes

[hoary zodiac]

Just look at Windows 11

Pile of crap

[hoary delta]

i have a 4tb drive so i do gpt not mbr right

[mental yoke]

The intel i5?

[hoary zodiac]

yes

[fair onyx]

closed source is optimized to be as simple and brain numbing as possible, and thats why open source, where people take way more chances, its rapidly catching up

[mental yoke]

Alr, it all comes from EK water coolers

AM5 socket supports

[hoary zodiac]

And anyone can submit bug reports and lead to actual outcome and even try to fix the problem themselves

Just look at steam proton

It being open source is the reason linux gaming compatibility is growing as fast as it is

[fair onyx]

Yessir

[fair onyx]

absolutely!

The best 0.1% of the world in these fields will eventually be overpowered and outpaced by over 1000x more general people experimenting and helping where they can

Side note, I just wanna share how cool lossless scaling is lol

This is a really extreme one so I can show it in a video. Its locked to 20FPS, upscaling to 60fps, and you can see how much smoother it is (obviously it has issues, but I would take those over 20FPS a second 😅)

I usually use it to upscale from 60 to 180 cause my monitor is 175hz, and it looks fantastic

it works on basically any program or game as well, which is dope

here is 30fps 2x to 60. This one already looks way better, so you can imagine 60 to 120 to 180 would look even better

it can go all the way to 20x frame gen, but that obviously gets wild lmao

but 2x and 3x work fantastic, especially above 30fps base

no

@pliant berry

@dusk knot

Sketchy person

Thanks <3

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[unreal trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/285221316620189698/1328896485848256554/Brakes_Dont_Work.png?ex=67885ecb&is=67870d4b&hm=67d739902974ec244982e5d66bedf0933a56c09c8b7e7cdd217e21c3e4db0208&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=501&height=501&

[dusk knot]

Ha. Posted that last year

[runic kestrel]

hello mr.newegg. I have a question about price match. Do i need to buy the item and then you price match? Or ccan i get in toucch with someone to price match before purchase?

ive spent 20 minutes reading the fine print and am about to tag out cause it is confusing me lol

[hoary zodiac]

@neweggsupport or something

[dusk knot]

@digital thunder dm

[hoary zodiac]

There it is

[lone mango]

Goes hard

[dusk knot]

Still waiting on the official
Prices…..

[lone mango]

1100

prob

maybe

[dusk knot]

I’ve been chasing a good white AIB since the 20 series. Had no luck if there was a thing.

[lone mango]

All asus cards will have a white model

Coming in q2 with the rest of the models

[dusk knot]

We will waiting…..

But 60 series…oh boy

I’ll be drowning in performance

[sinful blade]

I stopped drinking caffeine soda last week

These headaches are HELL

[icy ore]

Oh yeah I feel that

[dusk knot]

Your body needs your old habit back

[lone mango]

Yet another rx 7600 for $230

Man this is crazy

1440p for 230

[devout forum]

Man, I should become American and get a job at Newegg

[sweet phoenix]

i wouldnt call that a 1440p card personally

[lone mango]

I dont play new games so this time it is

Obv new games wont do

[sweet phoenix]

is 230 used or new?

[devout forum]

It technically could with heavy compromises

[sweet phoenix]

6700xt should be abt that used

[lone mango]

6700 xt is more but not by too much

[sweet phoenix]

the extra vram would be very useful and its abt 10% better

[lone mango]

I saw a bid end at 280 but remember seeing 300 to 330 a while ago

[sweet phoenix]

oof

[lone mango]

Yeah true

[sweet phoenix]

r/hws?

[lone mango]

Idk didnt check but the reason I don't care too much about vram is because my vram usage on linux is a lot lower than windows

But to see if I am wrong I should run these games at 1440p to make sure

I remember seeing only like 3-4g used in one area but warframe has a lot of different tile sets

I should try the ones that came out recently since those are more demanding

[hoary zodiac]

I need... more laptops

more screens...

need to multitask

[worn wave]

Would highly recommend making a buying post there. I got like 5 legit offers in < 12 hours

Granted there were 2, maybe 3 scammers as well but they were pretty obvious. Use the universal scammer list

[misty sparrow]

honestly how do you know we aren't already in one

a matrix is just a simulation of real life with all its problems

its not clear skies unless you make a deal with the machines

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder

if there are any good desk organisres that can also serve as a makeshift mini homelab rack

cables can't go through tho hmm

I'm better off getting a bookshelf at this price

[hoary zodiac]

Costs more than a bookshelf

[craggy shoal]

Yes but you can print many bookshelves

[hoary zodiac]

Just the printer alone costs more than a bookshelf

The filament needed will cost me several bookshelves' worth of money

[worn wave]

You could probably snip some holes out of the mesh for wires

[hoary zodiac]

Turns out a wooden shelf might be cheaper

[misty sparrow]

cant wait for the souped-up model called the DoubleBeryl

yes, i saw what you posted

[hoary zodiac]

It's the perfect size

[misty sparrow]

instead of waiting for newermodel just get two and stack them

true doubleberyl

[hoary zodiac]

Can you do that?

OH MY GOD SHE'S BLAZING FAST

This is on repeater mode btw

This router rocks

[proud jackal]

Great, my 9800x3d system hangs on shutdown

[hoary zodiac]

This thing is packed with features

Damn

[deep parcel]

btw thats your ip address on the bottom left

[hoary zodiac]

Thanks 👍🏻

[deep parcel]

np

[hoary zodiac]

Wouldn't have spotted that

[deep parcel]

yeah... some people often get it confused with the servers ip address

[misty sparrow]

i remember i got a proprietary device for fiber from my ISP and posted it somewhere on discord asking if anyone could identify the model

big number on the back definitely wasn't a model number

not the only one lmao

[hoary zodiac]

lmao

[misty sparrow]

well it could be worse

i could own an Xbox and post a picture of the home screen to Reddit

because for some reason whoever designs the UI made it so that below your profile picture, it shows your email

[hoary zodiac]

💀

[misty sparrow]

and a bunch of people in reddit comments noticed

were asking if they could email OP

[hoary zodiac]

Oh wow I don't even need a pi hole now

[lone mango]

Wait what is that

Is that openwrt

Nvm this is something else

[hoary zodiac]

That's the GL.inet gui

Apparently it's based off openwrt

[lone mango]

So basically you have adguard running on the router

Oh i see

Glinet is a router company

[lone mango]

Lil dude

[hoary zodiac]

This thing's real powerful for its size

Portable too

[lone mango]

So you can also put adguard on openwrt itself

I think I might do the firmware flash

[hoary zodiac]

https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/services/dns/adguard-home

It's amazing how competitive this Lil thing is

[lone mango]

Lol I copied that link a couple mins ago

[hoary zodiac]

It's not even expensive

Compared to most retail options

There's also this

https://a.aliexpress.com/_ooPN5nF

AUD but you get the idea

[lone mango]

Bro im still on tp link

[hoary zodiac]

These routers are really damn competitive

Next time I need a router I'm getting another openwrt compatible one

[lone mango]

My asus router came in but idk if i should return it and flash the tp link or just flash the new asus

[hoary zodiac]

How much does it cost?

You could probably return it and get that aliexpress router kit

[lone mango]

I forgot it was around 50-70 which is a really good deal

[hoary zodiac]

The AliExpress router is ~$100

[lone mango]

Its the ax55

[hoary zodiac]

hmm

[sweet phoenix]

idk guys is my internet fast enough

[hoary zodiac]

What is that upload speed

👀

[sweet phoenix]

idek why we have such fast internet

fiber

ethernet 5e

[lone mango]

I don’t download enough stuff to need fiber ima be honest

It would be cool to have but i dont be downloading like that

There is some wifi interference in my computer tho

[hoary zodiac]

I honestly don't care about speeds

I got this router because

It just works

The old asus I was using as a repeater sucks ass

[lone mango]

I get low 30s but should get around 40

[hoary zodiac]

It was barely working on repeater mode

[lone mango]

What was it

[hoary zodiac]

Crap speeds, can't even access the internet

[lone mango]

The first router i bought a few weeks ago was called the ax 1800s which was a cut down version of the ax 1800 which is also called the ax 55

I want to set up the ax 55 and see how it is. The 1800s had really poor range

Walk behind two walls and the speed drops by half

The tp link has very little dropoff

[hoary zodiac]

I'm thinking of giving it away as a repeater but

Not sure if it's even good for that

Surely it helps even a little bit

[lone mango]

I think thats what the 1800s is for

Part of a mesh

But I was using it as a main router

[hoary zodiac]

oh lmao

[lone mango]

Thats probably why its the way it is

2c/4t, good strength if you aren’t behind walls

Good for a mesh but not as a main one

[hoary zodiac]

Oh my god

Gigabite transfer speeds on LAN

This is sweet

No more bottlenecks

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

Well gigabit on lan is still kinda slow by today's standard but

Fast enough that I don't just copy files manually instead

[lone mango]

Oh the ax55 has 3000 sqft coverage so I think this will be like the tp link but a little more secure

[lone mango]

Thats what my ass be doing

My down is pretty good even with interference in the computer but my upload is pretty bad

[hoary zodiac]

This is the entire homelab setup

If you can excuse the crappy cable management

[lone mango]

Sometimes cable management is fake

This is ok

[pseudo patrol]

bro

[storm narwhal]

Jensen's scale of hardness

4090 is harder than a 3090

[elfin mural]

it's 1000 jensens harder than 3090

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[proud jackal]

[hoary zodiac]

5090 is out

[tranquil pebble]

with 5,090 reasons you can't afford it

[hoary zodiac]

Funny enough

Theo could sell his 2 4090s and get a free 5090

[opaque sedge]

Me who wants a steam deck refresh

[storm narwhal]

Legion lenovo go s instead

With dinky ass trackpad

[hoary zodiac]

Get a switch

mmmm

[icy ore]

Nah wait a bit the switch 2 will come out soon

https://tenor.com/view/kek-cat-kek-cat-laugh-laughing-gif-25202548

[tranquil pebble]

pepsi and coffee go well together

[hoary zodiac]

Wait a gigabit

[tranquil pebble]

a lot of bits

[fresh timber]

Finally something good, a travel router

Ooo a thin client

Boeing is going places

[craggy shoal]

Your home lab? That's cute

[fresh timber]

Debatably better than mines ngl

He has a real nas

[craggy shoal]

That looks like a DAS I think

(at least that was my first thought, given the thin client)

That's my setup, only the server my DAS is attached to is a PC I built

I love it when my parents walk into my home office (my bedroom) and they think I'm not working, so I just hit 'em with the Win+Ctrl+Left Arrow to show them that I'm waiting for stuff to do (where I have all the work programs open)

[fresh timber]

It’s being network attached

[craggy shoal]

lol I guess so

@hoary zodiac can you confirm this for us?

[fresh timber]

What I’m not a fan of is Boeings flat cables

Interference go brrrr

[misty sparrow]

I swear you said this a week ago

I wonder if I’m in a dream within a dream like Inception

[icy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[dusk knot]

Hello future 5090 owners

[fresh timber]

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

[old charm]

Can I pay people here if they get a 5090 at launch instead of me? I'll give someone $2500 if they sell me their launch day order

[fresh timber]

I can’t promise you get the 5090

Or promise that I can buy one

[craggy shoal]

No

tf

[icy ore]

Ez $500

[craggy shoal]

Nvidia could be normal and be like "okay we're releasing new GPUs. Maybe we can still provide last year's and maybe a year or two prior's GPUs but lower the price on those and keep the new GPUs at the previous year's MSRPs" but no they have to be like "okay the 5090 is barely any better than the 4090. Let's add $400 to its MSRP"

It's crazy to realize but even Apple isn't as bad as Nvidia

[dusk knot]

NgreedAi

[tranquil pebble]

I probably did. My memory is not great.

[old charm]

Accounting for inflation, my 2017 "all out" PC with a Threadripper 1950x and 1080 cost just as much as a new build with max specs, even better in some ways

I don't think Nvidia is wrong for raising prices

$3400 vs $4400

The problem isn't that it's more expensive, it's that the regular people aren't making more money and being steamrolled like chumps

[lone mango]

Yeah but the corpos are raising prices faster than inflation

So there is money inflation and them increasing prices on top of that

[craggy shoal]

"It's just inflation" ehhhh not just inflation but yeah I guess that contributes

[old charm]

Not in this case at least, if you're zooming out to "building a PC" scale it costs the exact same as I mentioned before

[cedar compass]

corpos sux

[old charm]

We don't have an inflation issue right now

[sweet phoenix]

4080 was $1200. 3080 was $700. 3080 was 10% worse than a 3090, 4080 was 30% worse than a 4090

[old charm]

We have a wage-cost disparity

[sweet phoenix]

You are half right

[cedar compass]

(Silverhand agreed )

[old charm]

I'm not saying Nvidias pricing isn't funky

[sweet phoenix]

We 100% have an inflation issue

[old charm]

Inflation is already done

Inflation is the rate of change

[sweet phoenix]

But there's also the biggest wage gap in the US's history

[old charm]

It stopped changing at a higher right

[sweet phoenix]

That... alr

[old charm]

Now we have a wage-cost gap

[sweet phoenix]

This isn't worth it

[old charm]

It's an issue, but to say inflation is still running rampant is misleading

[sweet phoenix]

I did not say that?

[cedar compass]

US have low inflation rate so . ( F for turkey )

[mortal grail]

Ever since Turing was introduced we've had this sort of stagnant inflation for no value gain type of environment, but every gen it gets worse

[sweet phoenix]

Aight man

[old charm]

I'm not saying you said that, that's just the common misconception I see

[mortal grail]

The 30 series was unfortunate as it was basically the last time nvidia really tried to give us perf per dollar but covid hit

4090 after it but none of the 40 series otherwise

[old charm]

Inflation was an issue, the issue got passed on to us in the form of a wage-cost gap.

[mortal grail]

50 series looks to be the same if you discount ai frame gen

[old charm]

But I get it's an issue for a lot of people.

[mortal grail]

Well put it like this

[old charm]

5090 seems to perform moderately better than 4090

[mortal grail]

Imagine buying an xbox

[sweet phoenix]

If inflation wasn't an issue 20$/hr would be a living wage

[mortal grail]

But every 2 years it costs almost double

Nvidia is not nearly as bad

But for many it hits this way

[feral fulcrum]

Do we have a memes channel? Lol

[mortal grail]

In many regions outside the us however it is actually almost this bad btw

[mortal grail]

I wish

[sweet phoenix]

The cost of living has gone up in just the last five years alone by an insane amount

[feral fulcrum]

Well i am just going to throw this here for the funny

https://youtube.com/shorts/uLMahoaubNc?si=RLxqByrTCo7-psCA

XD

[mortal grail]

In my country 2 years ago a 4090 costed 1750 after tax roughly

Now the prices are estimated at 2883 usd after tax

For 5090

[cedar compass]

I remember times that highend phones were 100$ lol

[mortal grail]

Nokia moment

Lol

[feral fulcrum]

If you know the movie reference i will be happy

[old charm]

The problem is that inflation is different for different products and markets and there isn't a good way to lock everything in so that it all correlates.

You would need to make $32 an hour to own a house here in 2025. Back in the 60s you could rub two nickels together.

Food hasn't inflated as much as housing for example.

[cedar compass]

now we have to pay over 1k for phone lol so you saying we had 1000% inflation in 10 years ?

[mortal grail]

Where I am food is the biggest issue lol

[cedar compass]

it's def not just inflation

[mortal grail]

We pay over double what we did 2 years ago for food

It all falls down to how much people make on average vs sunk cost

[cedar compass]

but... we have only 8% inflation

[mortal grail]

Weird isn't it

Except many prevailing issues cause this

[dusk knot]

Oh lordy

[mortal grail]

For us the primary is electricity cost

[mortal grail]

Why do you think I skipped lmao

I ain't paying that much

[old charm]

I haven't ever really looked at the cost of things, but the CPI basket used to measure things here is also misleading because products can be substituted with cheaper alternatives that aren't quite the same, so you end up with shrinkflation too....

Clothing containing less threads, lower quality, etc, but it doesn't appear in the CPI because it's a comparable product

[mortal grail]

I could buy four used commodores

[cedar compass]

I remeber I got Nokia N73 for under 100$ lol

[old charm]

I use a lot of electricity lol

[mortal grail]

Yes this is definitely true and prevails everywhere

I've noticed it in my shopping

I'd buy the same product and instead of a price rise the packet shrinks

And the weight appears the same but it's actually a lot less

[lone mango]

Honestly worse than higher prices to me

[mortal grail]

This is the same feeling I got with the 5090

Spend way more get mildly better no thanks

[old charm]

I've made enough for most of my life to never think about how much money I spend on things, but I definitely agree that in the last 2 years, I haven't been saving as much, but keep in mind I have expensive newer hobbies that probably contribute to me not saving

I bought a $400 red dot for my Glock yesterday

That's a ridiculous price

[mortal grail]

It's definitely affecting people way more than before

[lone mango]

I would rather pay a little more than get tricked into thinking I am getting the same but actually getting less

[mortal grail]

I mean a gaming pc is a luxury item don't get me wrong

[old charm]

Luckily I was able to get my house before the rates spiked like crazy

[dusk knot]

Hmm...5090

[lone mango]

Sometimes you would get less and pay more too

[old charm]

So my housing costs are fixed

I'll never pay more that $959

[mortal grail]

Now you make the capital yeah

[old charm]

Yea, I could get paid more for what I do but I'm lazy and I'm fine with a low 100s salary

[mortal grail]

It's gonna be a hot topic this year tho, rising costs and minimal gains

Honestly frame gen done well could break that

We have to wait for the market to improve

[old charm]

I have been wanting to do a bunch of ML training and don't want to be publishing data online or training in azure

[elfin mural]

i'd prob just get a 4090 still