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trim cloak
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like scary close

warped rampart
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explain

trim cloak
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but no death pls mr. siršŸ˜”

minor sun
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It's same controller iirc

trim cloak
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explain whatšŸ’€

warped rampart
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what is ex900

minor sun
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Hp

warped rampart
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like in minecraft?

kind sierra
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no

minor sun
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Sm2263xt

warped rampart
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or the company

trim cloak
minor sun
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The company

warped rampart
minor sun
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Is micron 64L the meta for budget drive now...?

trim cloak
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toshiba on the come upNice

minor sun
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Micron 176L when xd

trim cloak
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it’s already a thing

minor sun
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I mean on consumer drives

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Saw it on a micron drive like a month ago
(Micron 3400)

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When we getting it in like rocket 4 plus

warped rampart
trim cloak
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it shouldn’t change

minor sun
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Better rnd can help tho

trim cloak
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c710 very poggy woggy

minor sun
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Why tho

trim cloak
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why wut

warped rampart
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no death

trim cloak
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:D

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now i can shower

minor sun
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Mp33 and helix L are more my go to for budget drives

warped rampart
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mp33 has been solid since i started giving build help

minor sun
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Well, go-to-check drives

trim cloak
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c710 is cheaper tho

minor sun
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1$

trim cloak
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and z330 occasionally becomes below as well

trim cloak
minor sun
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Lol

kind sierra
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That price tier I'd go sn550

warped rampart
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how come

minor sun
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Most people aren't going to go through the pslc cache

trim cloak
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….what

kind sierra
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Kinda bad hmb

minor sun
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Sure split metadata on the sn550 makes it perform nice but that doesn't make mp33 bad :p

warped rampart
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look when it comes to gamers (average build helpee) they really dont need much more than an mp33

kind sierra
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It doesn't make it good either

trim cloak
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sn550 is also just weird with pricing, it used to be so low

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but now it’s like eh

minor sun
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It makes mp33 tolerable, especially when considering price

warped rampart
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sn550 was always good for UK builds

kind sierra
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mp34 though

trim cloak
warped rampart
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a80 though

trim cloak
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i would rather pure dynamic

minor sun
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90$ mp33 1tb or 105$ sn550 1tb is an easy choice imo

trim cloak
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but…idk WD on crack or sum

minor sun
trim cloak
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yea, but the decision was weird lol

kind sierra
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If there's room in budget, I usually go mp34

minor sun
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It's not dumb if it works ;)

kind sierra
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Split metadata is cool

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You might say it's the new meta

warped rampart
minor sun
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P34a80 or p32a80

trim cloak
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didn’t say it was dumb🤨

warped rampart
minor sun
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Also, did p34a80 change controllers again after going e12 to sm2252 or whatever

trim cloak
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why get an mp34 when z340 is $10 cheaper

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or sn750 🤨

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or just be weird and pay $20 more for us70

minor sun
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Sn750 a lil sad though

trim cloak
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how is it sad

minor sun
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it's like a low end high end drive if you look at rnd

warped rampart
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@trim cloak ever got the kids who cry when the drive is dramless

kind sierra
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Cheap dramless drives are to be avoided

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Good dramless drives are hard to find

warped rampart
trim cloak
trim cloak
minor sun
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usually 130$, which is what my impression of it comes from

kind sierra
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115 is a sale price

trim cloak
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ok and.

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is there a point to that or what lol

kind sierra
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You can't compare sale prices to normal prices

minor sun
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pilot e is nice, 110$ pretty consistently

trim cloak
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i would still rather z340 over pilot-e anyway

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but why can’t you use sale prices?

warped rampart
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last time i was in pcpp server pilot e was hard parroted

trim cloak
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that makes no sense…it’s what it is going for

kind sierra
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Then why not just buy the 970 evo

trim cloak
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you expect me to pay higher retail prices because it’s not the original purpose

minor sun
kind sierra
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512gb 970 evo, 54 bucks

warped rampart
trim cloak
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where

kind sierra
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It was on Amazon

trim cloak
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right now?

kind sierra
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About nine months ago, but it was what it went for

trim cloak
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you are so denseDistraught

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that rebuttal was so redundant to my point

minor sun
trim cloak
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you clearly can’t comprehend sales going on rn, so idk what you think this is

trim cloak
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not a big difference

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but that’s me, idc what anyone else gets lol

minor sun
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I'll check, but p sure pilot e will do better in most seq benches

trim cloak
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also was cheaper for a while, they trade blows with that

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if you’re looking at max sequential then yea

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but that doesn’t matter like at all lol

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which can vary from drive to drive of the same model

kind sierra
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Depends really

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Sequential can be important

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For some cases it's crucial

trim cloak
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ye i’m not disregarding sequential workloads

minor sun
# trim cloak if you’re looking at max sequential then yea

not max seq, was just looking at a bunch of charts on tom's hardware, most looked like pilot e is just superior, looking at rnd atm, but it seems like they might've used different versions of iometer or something, because the same drive got different scores in the two different reviews, which makes me sad.

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wasn't even paying attention to what chart I saw

warped rampart
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dyes

kind sierra
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For a drive rn I'd say pilot e is the best bet

minor sun
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anyways, too lazy atm to pay attention, pilot e seems fine still for my uses in slapping in people's lists

trim cloak
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a80 is so sexy tho :(

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why they missing out

minor sun
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because p32a80 dumb

trim cloak
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p32 irrelevant

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only gross distributors sell that

minor sun
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exactly

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but same name

trim cloak
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yea yea

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old news tho

minor sun
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p32a80 was out of date by the time I thought 970evo was good value

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but still

trim cloak
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a80 currently is p34, why would SP want to keep it currently p32 in the market

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i mixed that up

olive wadi
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pilot e shilling days are over

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no longer cheapest in mid range

silk trout
tall ore
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Not really

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Mp33 isn't a great drive. Mp34 is a decent drive.

trim cloak
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what is wrong with you.

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how is it not a great drive

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especially for that price

silk trout
silk trout
blazing musk
kind sierra
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Mp34 should have a 1tb, is it out of stock?

olive wadi
trim cloak
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200Sadah yes how could i forget

minor sun
olive wadi
minor sun
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Aight

warped rampart
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thats what im saying

trim cloak
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is what he should’ve told you to look for

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which is i’m pretty sure the latest update of that model

minor sun
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ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

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I liked it when it has e12 so

trim cloak
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at least hope for the early 2020 variant then

olive wadi
trim cloak
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idc controller supremacy 🄱

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just hope for the updated version :D

night sundial
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I need some help. I just installed my sea gate 4tb hard drive into my pc and it’s formatted but when I try to download a game from steam it says disk write error

blazing musk
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Does it work if you run steam as admin?

night sundial
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No I tried that

blazing musk
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Are other things able to write to the drive without issue?

night sundial
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Haven’t tried anything else

blazing musk
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You might try making a new folder on the drive, and then telling steam to make a library in the new folder

zinc bramble
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Can anyone suggest an 1TB SSD that I could use to replace this 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive

storm timber
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4tb Samsung QVO ssd or the 4tb EVO ssd for $200 more?

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Should I get the 4tb Samsung QVO ssd or the 4tb EVO ssd for $200 more? Is there much difference beside write speed?

sour wadi
sour wadi
trim cloak
tall ore
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PCI Express

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It's what NVMe SSDs and Graphics Cards use.

trim cloak
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while modern ssd’s use 4 lanes now :D

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with that protocol

trim cloak
torpid adder
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avoiding wikipedia šŸ˜Ž

zinc bramble
trim cloak
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ah alright

trim cloak
tall ore
trim cloak
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in what are they similar lol, the fact that they store data?

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they are literally completely different

tall ore
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The fact that they both store data, permenantly.

trim cloak
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well…not permanently

tall ore
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They both serve the exact same function, in 2 different speeds.

trim cloak
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there’s faulty factors to think about

tall ore
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It's about as permanent as human life is.

trim cloak
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you ever heard of electrons ā€œleakingā€ out?

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or even for hard drives, that can all cause corrupted foles

tall ore
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I've literally, never heard of that, it sounds like a REALLY rare thing to have happen.

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Because... For the most part, unless a Platter is damaged, or the Head just fails. An HDD lasts a LONG time.

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And SSDs have a pretty long shelf life too.

trim cloak
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well the disk can fail, it’s not invincible…

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yea but it’s mot nearly forever

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data retention is a thing, and can affect both storage devices

minor sun
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But SSDs are called SSDs because they are Solid-State drives, no moving parts, no platter

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HDDs are quite prone to being damaged by vibrations and relatively strong magnets, SSDs really aren't

trim cloak
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idk why you felt the need to say all that

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i’m sure he got that lol

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i mean besides Fowler–Nordheim tunneling, but basically unnecessary

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just needs to know that RBER occurs more frequently than they think

minor sun
minor sun
trim cloak
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yea…that’s already been established

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that’s how it started in fact

minor sun
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Welp, I also just felt like typing it so I did

trim cloak
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oh ok then yea np

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fair enough

pallid orchid
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XD

blazing musk
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Until that pesky solar flare wipes a critical bit and makes the drive unreadable

kind sierra
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There's a good reason why the arctic code vault doesn't use SSD or HDD

trim cloak
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that’s why optane is very cool with more resistance to VTH of programming :D

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frick normal ssd’s

pallid orchid
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tape?

kind sierra
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Microfiche

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Essentially

pallid orchid
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the more you know!

meager spire
undone jacinth
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Where do I put my sata ssd?

dense merlin
undone jacinth
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4000x

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With an extra exhaust fan

undone jacinth
sour wadi
undone jacinth
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Thx dude

sour wadi
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Np

undone jacinth
sour wadi
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Sata ssds don't need cooling

undone jacinth
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Oh

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I thought they could overheat

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But nvm

minor sun
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Far from a common issue for sata SSDs

sour wadi
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^ unless you live closer to the sun than the rest of humanity you'll be fine lol

undone jacinth
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Well depends

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Right now I do

minor sun
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As long as we're talking about 2.5in sata SSDs

undone jacinth
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Tonight i dont

undone jacinth
minor sun
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Unless your room is like 70 Celsius

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You're fine

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@undone jacinth just think of it this way, a m.2 drive is tiny, a 2.5in drive just has a m.2 drive but with that huge surface area for the heat to radiate off of, and it's not NVMe, so it's not going to be running that fast or hot

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Not accurate but easier to think of

kind sierra
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So you have bigger issues

minor sun
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Ya

trim cloak
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the only issues i have is running out of milk for my cookie crisps

olive wadi
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nand flash is hot garbage and hard copes by having a poop ton of ecc to work properly

trim cloak
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buttt, that’s when read-retry’s problem is getting completed :D

olive wadi
trim cloak
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yea…

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which should be fixed

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ik what ecc is bruhšŸ’€

kind sierra
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The fact that they stay in there as long as they do is honestly amazing

olive wadi
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but you probably know that peebosuit

subtle stream
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Just bought a TeamGroup Z440 2TB and I'm getting really weird results

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I'm expecting something like this:

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Any thoughts?

sour wadi
kind sierra
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4.3 GB/s says yes

minor sun
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Rnd4k image is running a different test so that part makes sense

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Reads being on the low side eh

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Check if windows is doing something weird

subtle stream
subtle stream
minor sun
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Task manager

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Windows sometimes just does indexing at random times

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And then just check windows corruption with dism and sfc

subtle stream
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Basically just crystaldiskmark

sour wadi
subtle stream
kind sierra
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It is for write though, which is kinda interesting

subtle stream
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Rebooted and got these results

minor sun
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Yay

subtle stream
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Better...

minor sun
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Check if trim is off

subtle stream
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?

kind sierra
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Trim wouldn't make that big of a difference for read speed, would it?

minor sun
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It might make a little, so worth checking

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gonna find sfc and dism guide rq

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General fix for random windows problems

From an admin command prompt or powershell, run:

sfc /scannow

If that doesn't work, try:

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary

kind sierra
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fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify
To check trim

minor sun
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p sure there's an easier way in windows settings somewhere

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optimize drive iirc

kind sierra
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ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

minor sun
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but yea

kind sierra
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He uses arch, he can handle it lol

minor sun
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oh then yea

dense merlin
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so my gfs hdd is having a lot of issues

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pc randomly freezes for like 5min, disk running at 100%

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chkdsk repaired it like 3 weeks ago and it temporarily fixed it

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im guessing just get an ssd?

olive wadi
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ssd is king

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šŸ‘‘

trim cloak
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eh

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ssd is prince, teen titans go is king

red jay
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??

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guess my hdd doesnt work anymore

opaque kelp
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whats a good 1tb ssd? preferably around or under $100

minor sun
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mp33 1tb works

minor sun
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ye

opaque kelp
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ok thank you

minor sun
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long link

opaque kelp
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yep

minor sun
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simple shorten later

opaque kelp
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ty

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@minor sun does this ssd have DRAM cache? i heard its pretty important if you don't want your pc to slow down as it gets filled up

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or i dont have to worry about that?

real lava
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You generally don't have to

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Good dramless drives exists

torpid adder
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where you have to start worrying about dram is SATA drives

real lava
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I guess, but I don't see any issue with my dramless wd green

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But for sata it's recc to have dram anyway

torpid adder
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honestly don't know if I'd use a dramless sata drive

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it'd probably be fine for general files ig

real lava
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It's pretty fine

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I use it for os

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It doesn't slow down at all for my use case

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And it's like used up by 70% at this point

torpid adder
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nice

real lava
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As in filled ofc

torpid adder
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I have an aio that uses a 240GB sandisk drive

real lava
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But the speed sure isn't that good with me filling it up

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But it's ok

torpid adder
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one of the basic dramless ones

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it's decent

real lava
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You won't be doing stuff as fast as nvme but it's whatever

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still boots quickly

torpid adder
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the computer is absolutely the bottleneck, it's an a8-6410

real lava
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lmao true

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the cpu is the bottleneck

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i also have same wd green drive in my bro's a4-6210 laptop

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it's still sluggish

torpid adder
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hehe

real lava
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cause the cpu sure makes it slow

torpid adder
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I have an a8-7600 at home that I need to make a build with that would be much better

opaque kelp
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so would you guys say that mp33 is a good drive, or do you guys know any better ones?

torpid adder
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yeah it's probably pretty nice

real lava
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it's nice

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tom's hardware likes it for it being dramless

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also ye

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a8 7600 would be much better to use day to day

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a8 6410 is mobile

torpid adder
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yep

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I Forget what clock speed it is

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2.4GHz?

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slow af

real lava
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the a4 6210 is even worse

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i regret choosing it for him lmao

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he barely used it cause it doesn't game so well

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runs hot

torpid adder
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RIp

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not bad

compact cape
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What's a good mass storage m.2?

blazing musk
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MP33

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Or any of the low tier drives from the pinned list

steady talon
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What’s like the best of the best HDD?

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My Seagate finally died on me and I’m looking for a replacement

sour wadi
steady talon
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Like fastest

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Preferably 4tb+

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I was thinking about the Toshiba X300

torpid adder
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I'm thinking about wd blue but idk

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x300 is probably better

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I'm averse towards barracoda lol

steady talon
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Lol I had a barracuda

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Lasted me 7 years

torpid adder
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I have a 2014 one

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idk how it is these days, it's at home and I am not

sour wadi
blazing musk
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X300 is best bang for buck but you can find 12k rpm server drives

minor sun
torpid adder
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isn't hmb a dedication of a portion of your system ram tho

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or is it like an on the fly cache it shrinks and expands as needed

compact cape
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Yeah I've got the x300 hdd performs better then my seagate

trim cloak
minor sun
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Yes

trim cloak
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yes

kind sierra
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yes

meager spire
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yes?

dense merlin
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Yes

red jay
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Yes

pallid orchid
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Yes

spice hedge
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Yes

rancid pike
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Yes

serene laurel
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Yes

warped rampart
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Aegis

kind sierra
trim cloak
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@undone dune

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oh that’s a mod. lol

trim cloak
warped rampart
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Aegis

steady talon
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I just bought 2 1TB 980 pros

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Decent deal on Amazon, they’re being sold for $180

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I kinda think it’s worth it for that price, very similar rand to the P31 but slightly worse but a large difference in sequential speeds

olive wadi
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ADATA S70 IS KING

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$150 FOR 1TB GET OWNED

kind sierra
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Depends what for ig, doesn't the S70 have really poor performance when working with large chunks of data?

steady talon
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^

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Yeah it has very slow write speeds once the SLC cache fills up

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And is still beaten by the 980 pro in every way

minor sun
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P31 is neat

steady talon
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I love my P31s

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I mostly bought the 980s because I’m going to be building another system so I’ll have them ready for it when I get around to it

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And I don’t think $180 for a 1TB is a bad deal

red jay
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$180 for 1tb ..?

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Damn i’m out here looking at the $94 mp33

steady talon
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I would do that if I was going for a budget build but I don’t think there’s anything budget about my build I’m planning out kekw

rotund hill
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what better for a boot drive a WD Black SN750 or a Samsung 980 I found both for 65.99 for a 500 GB

blazing musk
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Neither at that price, 500gb is just bad value right now imo

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You could get a good 1tb drive for $90

rotund hill
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ye I found those prices for it but I just figured it be better to just have a separate drive for just windows and other computer programs

blazing musk
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If you're just using it for a boot drive you don't need a top model anyway

subtle stream
olive wadi
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and its sustained performance is pretty acceptable for tier S

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so even in like 500gb+ file transfers all good

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idk i award it gamezoid S tier value king award

kind sierra
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Eh, not bad. Definitely not firecuda territory, but that's also usually 220 or so

subtle stream
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Expected

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Actual

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Why is sequential write and rnd4k q32t16 so low?

latent schooner
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what is a good cheap 1tb m.2 drive?

subtle stream
latent schooner
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oof it's $160 though

subtle stream
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I got mine for $80 a few years ago

latent schooner
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what about the crucial p2?

subtle stream
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No clue, sorry

pallid orchid
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look em

latent schooner
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ty

subtle stream
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I don't understand how some of my numbers are equal to or better than expected and others are just crap

latent schooner
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is dramless good or bad?

blazing musk
blazing musk
pallid orchid
subtle stream
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Just formatted NTFS

latent schooner
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i think my laptop has a 500gb sn550

subtle stream
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Just that and "optimized" it

latent schooner
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oh wait sn530

subtle stream
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@blazing musk I got it in a few days ago. It's on a gen 4 lane direct to my CPU. Bios is configured for gen 4 on that slot. I'm not short on lanes. SEQ1MQ8T1 read and RND4KQ32T16 R/W are both lower than expected, especially random. I bought the drive for that performance, so I'd really hate to leave it on the table

subtle stream
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I'm booting of a 660p rn

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I even tried turning my RAM speed down a little since one of my friends told me that helped him, but nothing

pallid orchid
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what are you comparing them to?

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like lower than expected but what were you expecting

subtle stream
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Looking for around 3k

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Getting under 1.5

pallid orchid
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run a bench and screenshot

subtle stream
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Like that random performance is what this drive seems to be good at. Seq is meh compared to competitive drives, but the rand blows everything else out of the water

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Gimme a sec

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This was my latest

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Running a new one for you

pallid orchid
blazing musk
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Different size drives can have different performance

subtle stream
subtle stream
blazing musk
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It's entirely possible depending on which controller and NAND they used

subtle stream
pallid orchid
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also depending on how old the review is and how new ur drive is, the internals could have been changed since release too

blazing musk
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Yeah they've been swapping parts around too much in drives lately...

subtle stream
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Bench is almost finished

blazing musk
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Check for a new firmware version for the drive and bios update for the system

subtle stream
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BIOS is good. How do I check for a new firmware version on windows? (Sorry, I don't use windows often)

subtle stream
blazing musk
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Run crystal disk info and it'll show your firmware version

subtle stream
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Uh how do I tell it which drive?

blazing musk
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There's tabs at the top with drive letters

subtle stream
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Where at?

blazing musk
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Well I think we found your problem lol

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That looks like your bios is configured for RAID mode

subtle stream
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Uh

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Ok lol

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1 sec

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brb

blazing musk
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Weird. The only other thing that would cause the drive to not be detected is a weird driver.

subtle stream
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I mean I haven't installed any drivers besides the ones I assume windows already had for generic nvme storage

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So CrystalDiskInfo isn't seeing any drive?

blazing musk
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Right, it's not seeing any drive

subtle stream
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Hm

blazing musk
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Are you on intel or amd?

subtle stream
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AMD

blazing musk
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Ok so it's not the intel storage acceleration garbage

subtle stream
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Nope

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I've literally done nothing but plug it in, format it as ntfs, optimize it, and update windows

blazing musk
subtle stream
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So either the drive has different components then all the benches I've seen, or my Windows install is borked, but not bad enough for sfc to find anything

blazing musk
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It looks more like a storage or driver misconfiguration

subtle stream
blazing musk
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The top one, AMD chipset drivers

subtle stream
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Roger

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Installing...

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Oh dear lord the scaling

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amazing

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Oh it zoomed off into the void...

blazing musk
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... There's clearly something deeper going on

subtle stream
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It's open somewhere

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Not on any monitor

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And not minimized

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So ig I'll restart it lol

subtle stream
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Ok there we go

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Installing drivers

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Installed successfully

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Rebooting, brb

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This isn't promising

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Crystaldiskinfo still not detecting either

blazing musk
#

What version of Windows are you on?

subtle stream
#

10, 21H1

blazing musk
subtle stream
#

Nope

blazing musk
#

Nothing there either, I'm at a loss. The last thing I'd do is either reinstall Windows or just deal with the performance.

subtle stream
#

Reinstall was somewhere on the horizon anyways...

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I appreciate the help

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Literally never gonna use this drive with windows but I have it here as F for now so I can bench

blazing musk
#

One of those tools should have detected at least 4 of those drives, if not all 6

subtle stream
#

Beats me

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ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

#

No f*ing clue how Windows does anything in the background

#

I'll try reinstalling windows sometime

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Ideally this week

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We'll see

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If I make any progress (or don't) I'll @ you

blazing musk
#

Sounds good. It might take a bit for me to reply if I'm busy, but if I don't respond someone else can help.

subtle stream
#

No worries

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Ty for trying

#

One last bench for no reason...

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Welp

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I'll reinstall Windows when I get a chance

minor sun
#

wacky things

#

could also just blame the drive and be done with it

trim cloak
#

altho…heck s70, us70>

spice hedge
trim cloak
#

oh sorry, my fault

spice hedge
trim cloak
#

yea for sure

echo ermine
#

I found 8 tb m.2 gen 8 drive

dense merlin
olive wadi
dense merlin
#

Hes gone now

olive wadi
#

wat

waxen dome
#

HI all. First time on discord. Recommended from the help desk at Newegg. I have a 2018 HP laptop that I like a lot, but I need to increase the internal SSD storage. At the moment it has a SK hynix PC401 HFS256GD9TNG-62A0A drive installed. I'm looking for recommendations of a larger drive that will fit in the same space, and any helpful information on how to clone the drive and do the swap. Is this a good place to get that info ?

blazing musk
waxen dome
#

I'd probably be fine going to 1TB. I think my lightroom catalog is the big consumer so going from 256G to 1 TB is likely enough, though twice as much for another $ 90 or so mibht be worth it. Assuming I order a drive, do I need to order something like an enclosure to do the clone ? I did that on my last laptop and it went fine, but it looks like the form factor has changed.

blazing musk
#

An enclosure would be the easiest method for cloning but it's not the only method. If you have a backup hard drive you can save an image of the drive to that, but it's a little more complicated.

sour wadi
#

I'd spend the extra 5$ for the sn550 if you can afford

waxen dome
#

Seems like a good choice and it's on sale at newegg now. Any thoughts on an enclosure and any software needed to clone ?

blazing musk
#

As far as software, Clonezilla is the best way since it runs from outside Windows, but Macrium Reflect is decent enough

waxen dome
#

Thanks. I've grabbed screen captures of this conversation and I'll do some shopping. Thanks for the help !! I'll drop in from time to time ....this is a great resource.

blazing musk
#

Happy to help! Stop by if you have any questions or just want to talk tech

waxen dome
#

Will do. Thanks all !

dense merlin
sour wadi
#

Tbf external drives can be a pain for something that's supposed to be portable

blazing musk
#

External drives kinda suck for laptops in general

fiery tendon
#

HI guys, My PC is dis-connecting some of my SATA drives, A HDD and a SSD. I get a message through Intel rapid storage technology app saying they have dis-connected. It seems to be out of no where, the only thing I can think of is I recently hooked up a USB external HDD with some media files on it but I've tried with it unhooked too with the same results. I restarted my PC to try to fix the issue but it was taking forever in the loading screen after post. so I checked BIOS but the only thing that looked weird in there was it was in CSM mode and I thought it was always in UEFI but I can't be a 100% sure of that, Do you guys have any ideas about fixing this issue and what ever may have caused it? Thanks

red jay
#

i have a 40gb old Seagate hd, i unplugged it like maybe 3 or 2 times of this computer that my dad has and apparently system in the sys32 folder corrupted and I can't login to windows XP now, is there a fix for it?

upper quiver
#

probably, you might be able to repair the installation from the install disk

#

been a while since ive messed with xp tho

mortal drift
hybrid crescent
#

I own a Lenovo Ideapad Y700 15ISK laptop and I want to replace the HDD with a SSD cloning the OS and Data. Is the SAMSUNG 870 QVO Series 2.5" 2TB SATA III Samsung 4-bit MLC V-NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-77Q2T0B/AM compatible and is there anything else that I need to purchase to be able to clone the current HDD?

kind sierra
trim cloak
#

wtf is a bulk ssd lol

blazing musk
#

Bulk storage, where you dump all the random stuff

minor sun
trim cloak
#

oh…so just a secondary drive basically

#

where the less important things go n stuff

minor sun
#

yea, throw bulk stuff in there, you got enough storage

#

but it's still fast

trim cloak
#

never hear of someone refer to an ssd to use it for bulk storage lol

#

usually just say ā€œit’s good enoughā€

minor sun
#

It's a market segment that exists, and I don't judge other for how they want to use terms as long as it makes sense to me sooo

trim cloak
#

yea for sure, not everyone needs something fast or being able to withstand stressing workloads

kind sierra
#

Yeah, I'm starting to see a shift in drive choices in higher end builds

olive wadi
#

my desktop is all ssd and i offload stuff i dont need on my desktop to my server

subtle stream
#

@blazing musk @minor sun

#

New windows install

blazing musk
#

That's a MUCH better result

kind sierra
#

That's gen4 speeds right there

blazing musk
#

The random still looks slightly low but that's either variance between units or a controller swap

kind sierra
#

Didn't even think to check if it was still the e16 before lol

#

That would have been smart

#

Noted for next time

trim cloak
#

one is C: one is F:

#

unless they just changed the configuration actually •_•

blazing musk
#

That's a result from a benchmarking site, drive letter doesn't make that much difference also

kind sierra
trim cloak
#

yea i know, read what i typed after :D

dense merlin
#

Opinions on the 660p? I mightve won one

#

512gb

torpid adder
#

an okay drive

#

very cool

#

is qlc nand but w/e

sour wadi
torpid adder
#

all free storage is good storage

dense merlin
#

50$ on amazon rn

sour wadi
#

Ntb but I'd rather a sn550

trim cloak
#

and yes, even free expired bread is good, cause fun to throw away :D

torpid adder
#

lmao

#

you can get perfectly good food from the dumpsters of grocery stores during power outages

#

that of course relies on having terrible electrical infrastructure and disaster management

#

which America checks the boxes ;)

trim cloak
#

yes that ofc too!

kind sierra
#

It's qlc, but they have a section of slc set aside for cache so it's not entirely horrible

#

I have a 1TB 660p that I use for more bulk storage, I think it was $80 or so

sour wadi
serene laurel
trim cloak
#

i’ve actually never knew that abt croutons

serene laurel
#

Croutons make salad soo much better, I actually want to eat so much salad with croutons

olive wadi
#

bread makes everything better

#

mmm carbs

serene laurel
#

Bread so good

#

Any carbs good

#

Well not all

#

But they taste good

red jay
#

Im having an issue with my RAID 0 speeds. Read and write is only about 20MB/s on otherwise healthy drives. The drives in the array are 3 146GB 10k SAS Drives.

blazing musk
#

Hardware or software raid? Sounds like one of the drives has a failing controller maybe

red jay
#

Oh yup that could be it.

#

hardware raid

#

H310 mini

red jay
blazing musk
#

You can check the SMART data by turning off raid mode in bios and booting an external OS like a Linux USB boot

#

I don't know of any non-specialty tool that can read SMART while raid is on

#

Then when you're done you can just turn raid back on

red jay
#

Yea I checked, and everything had seemed fine

blazing musk
#

Hmm, probably want to back up the data first and foremost. Raid 0 is risky, especially 3 way.

red jay
#

There's no data on it

#

It's a new config

blazing musk
#

No data, ok cool that's easy to test then. Turn off raid and you can test each drive individually for speed to see if one is the fault or if it's another factor by re-initializing the disk and putting a new volume on it.

red jay
#

Fair enough

blazing musk
#

If each drive is roughly the same then you can do software raid using Windows storage spaces (or similar) which will tell you if it's the southbridge or driver that's at fault.

red jay
#

Yea each drive is identical

blazing musk
#

I mean roughly the same performance when you test individual speeds

red jay
#

Oh

blazing musk
#

Should have been more clear sorry

red jay
#

Lol it's fine man

#

Yea two of the 3 drives are getting around 10MB/s

#

The other one is fine

blazing musk
plush crag
#

Try putting the hba into IT mode

red jay
#

I'm gonna contact the seller and see if I can get 2 replacement drives. If not, it's not worth shelling out the money for repairs since I had planned on upgrading drives in the nearish future anyway

#

Also Im pretty sure it is a physical issue with the drives since They were making clicking noises whenever they were being operated. I had suspected those two drives were bad all along when my OS install was being extremely slow.

#

I just wasnt sure if that was normal since I dont use 10k drives too often, and the drives were technically functional

#

Well that was a quick response, they said theyll send 2 replacement right away

gleaming talon
#

Anybody know if it's bad to just highlight everything on a hard drive and just completely delete it?

#

Not the hard drive with windows on it though

#

I reset my pc and I have like 10 hard drives and I just wanna wipe and delete everything on all them to start fresh

minor sun
#

dban

gleaming talon
#

Does it really matter if the data is recoverable or not?

#

Like if I don't use dban will that cause issues in the future?

#

Id only have to use that if I were selling it I feel

#

Also another question is it bad to cut and paste all the files from one drive to another?

real lava
#

nah

#

it's totally healthy

#

but if you wanna wipe the drive completely

#

dban is the best method

#

no way to recover it

blazing musk
#

If you just want to wipe it to reuse it formatting the drive works fine, it'll get rid of hidden files too that way

real lava
#

^

minor sun
#

ye, dban is just neatest method

narrow sorrel
#

Is the 660p fine for a boot drive? I am getting one for free and I am thinking of shuffling around my SSDs between builds

dense merlin
#

Gold hynix something or other I think is better, I can grab a link

narrow sorrel
#

Eh, as I said, free stuff is free stuff, just want to know if it is fine for a boot drive

dense merlin
#

Oh for free

#

Missed that part sorry

#

Yeah its pretty decent

dense merlin
red jay
#

šŸ’€ šŸ’€

real lava
#

free is very good

#

or even if you happen to buy it

#

it's ok for normal usage of vast majority of people

drowsy charm
#

should I buy a M.2 nvme cooler/heatsink ??

dense merlin
torpid adder
#

nope

drowsy charm
dense merlin
#

Money

torpid adder
#

to look pretty

narrow sorrel
#

Yup, pure looks. Only reason I bought a heatsink is so there wouldn't be some random blue in the build. If you really need it, the drive can be installed in a slot that comes with a heatsink, the only reason motherboards come with one is because it is right underneath the gpu anyways, not because the drives really need it. Or to look better

torpid adder
#

looks nice on a shelf and on the product images

olive wadi
red jay
# olive wadi LOL

yea... i got sent two bad drives with a server I bought. luckily im getting them replaced for free

olive wadi
#

F

dense merlin
#

I've gotta put my hdd in my pc I got a while back in a trade

#

4tb hgst replacing a 2tb external that is dying

#

From 2018 but iirc hgsts have a long life

trim cloak
limpid snow
trim cloak
#

hmThinkingEgg

#

just not raisin bran

dense merlin
#

@minor sun sorry for the ping need an answer quickly, is this safe?

#

The hdd placement

#

Ignore the cords

minor sun
#

as long as it's secured, nothing wrong I can tell..?

torpid adder
#

is it secured?

minor sun
#

as far as I'm concerned, even if you ziptied it, as long as it's in place, doesn't really matter where you put it

dense merlin
#

Alright thanks

#

Last time I put an hdd in a pc it was lying on the bottom and it corrupted a week later

#

So wanted to make sure lol

torpid adder
#

jesus

dense merlin
#

It and been used for 3years

#

So it was prolly just a coincidence

queen oracle
minor sun
#

'gen 4'

#

It's barely over pcie 3.0 speeds

queen oracle
#

lol. Interesting that it is the same price as the Gen 3 SN750

blazing musk
#

More evidence it's only about marketing

indigo arch
#

Ah jeez. I just shucked my first wd elements drive and it looks like i got the unlucky dip. Its a WD white drive in there, so i am guessing i am gonna need to do that pin thing with it?

olive wadi
olive wadi
#

and its worse

olive wadi
indigo arch
#

I havent actually plugged it in yet to see if the drive works or not without the tape but guessing it probably will need it

blazing musk
#

I shucked my 10tb WD drive and got a white label. Works fine in my server, I've got all my media on it now.

indigo arch
blazing musk
#

No modification at all, just shucked and plugged

indigo arch
#

good to know

kind sierra
minor sun
#

Huh

#

New nand maker eh

torpid adder
#

new competitor :)

#

new silicon shortage :(

indigo arch
red jay
#

guys

#

i cloned my system to my new ssd and went into Mobo boot and set my boot to my ssd and i did a format on my old one and i did a reset now it wont boot up

#

what do i do?

olive wadi
#

like UNIC

red jay
#

????

minor sun
#

as in, no longer doing some random like 4l flash in the corner

#

but doing some fine performing 64l and then 128l flash

trim cloak
#

nvm i read down

indigo arch
red jay
#

its okay i got into bios and selected the ssd that i cloned my system to and it booted up just fine

#

my old ssd was corrupt so i just formatted the drive and its clear now

warped rampart
#

same

flint lake
#

can someone help me tell if the SSD i selected is compatible with my motherboard?

#

i cant send screenshots here

sour wadi
flint lake
#

ill send u a dm

sour wadi
#

You can send it here

#

Just the names will do

flint lake
#

Gigabyte Z490M

sour wadi
#

Can you send the name of the ssd?

flint lake
#

Innovation IT Performance+ 1 TB 00-1024111+ retail

#

something like this

#

on the page it says the socket is this

#

PCIe NVMe

sour wadi
#

Uhhh

#

What country you in?

flint lake
#

Latvia

sour wadi
#

Ahh

#

Are there any other options?

#

Like mb a sn550?

#

Or something

#

But yeah it will work

flint lake
#

what makes SSD different from others?

#

because this one has good speed

#

and is like 1TB

#

for a reasonably cheap price

sour wadi
flint lake
#

yeah, but basing of the speed mentioned under the SSD i chose, it seems like that would be a faster experience, for a better price

#

since the writing speed is 3400 MB/s

#

and the reading speed is 3000 MB/s

sour wadi
# flint lake since the writing speed is 3400 MB/s

That's sequential speed, not random, sequential is what you use if you're transfering like a huge 30gb file, random is what you use day to day, so random performance is actually way more important to majority of people

flint lake
#

so where can i see the random performance

#

or is that just very different for each ssd, and its something u cant really see?

sour wadi
flint lake
#

oh ok, ill check it out then

trail igloo
#

I have a question, I have a 1TB SSD drive but I need more space for games, music, pic, etc. What would be a good way of doing that and how would I set it up?

real lava
#

wdym?

#

Expanding the ssd's capacity or partitioning it into chunks?

#

If expanding the ssd's capacity, no

#

You need a bigger ssd for more lol

#

or more ssd

#

or an hdd

trail igloo
#

Would need another drive

real lava
#

yep

trail igloo
#

Thanks...... you are being helpful

flint lake
#

@trail igloo you could also try to clean your SSD

#

try to delete some files u dont need, but be careful

sour wadi
#

Well you did ask a question but it's missing something

trail igloo
#

What is it missing?

sour wadi
#

Wdym by "what would be a good way of doing that?"

#

Like more storage? I mean you can get more storage or use the cloud(for everything but games)

trail igloo
#

Need more local storage

sour wadi
#

Then depending on your budget and how much extra storage you want you can get another ssd or hard drive

trail igloo
#

I lack funds for a bigger ssd

sour wadi
#

Assuming you're not talking about a laptop with no expandability

trail igloo
#

It's a desktop

sour wadi
trail igloo
#

I don't know my budget per se, but I feel maybe 2TB more would help, maybe 4 tops

trail igloo
#

Yes

trail igloo
#

Hmm

#

Would it be worth waiting for black friday/ cyber monday?

sour wadi
trail igloo
#

Hmm, really wish the ssd were cheaper

sour wadi
#

would be nice but it is getting cheaper

trail igloo
#

Yeah, but not fast enough

sour wadi
#

well obvs its not gonna be the same price as hdds by december but its going down at same rate as hdds did vs floppy etc

true heath
# flint lake yeah, but basing of the speed mentioned under the SSD i chose, it seems like tha...

It’s honestly a crap shoot imo. Example: I bought an nvme because it was highly recommended here in this very chat and had some test data to back it up, test data provided was faster than others that were advertised as being faster. Well fast forward a couple months I’m building a pc for a family member and when picking out a drive I’m like ā€œahh yes the WD SN550 is a great bang for the back high speed SSDā€ šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø literally days later I see the YouTube vids šŸ˜‚ it wasn’t a high demand machine by any means so it figured wth, long story long, you can do all the research you want in the end you still might just poop the bed anyways. Use your gut, buy name brand and cross your fingers šŸ˜‚

sour wadi
true heath
#

I’m aware. That’s why i said it’s a crap shoot when picking one out because you never know šŸ˜‚

sour wadi
minor sun
true heath
#

It’s like a pot of stew, throw in some research, some name brands, little bit of initial impressions stir it all up and see what comes out šŸ˜‚ as most things you get what you pay for in general anyways. The sn550 the news broke literally days after I bought one šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

minor sun
#

Ehhh

minor sun
#

Even Samsung was doing some weird stuff swapping controller

true heath
#

My next point was gonna be the ā€œjust buy Samsung or don’t buy anythingā€ crowd šŸ˜‚

#

Team group is one I actually don’t know much about. I’m in the market for another drive but not in a hurry. Waiting to see if anything goes on sale. I have a P5 that’s been good to me so far Those are currently $120

minor sun
#

It's just

#

Do your research

#

And you'll be good 99% of the time

true heath
#

If there’s a 1% I’ll find it, it’s just my luck šŸ˜‚

olive wadi
#

booooo

#

adata and silicon power were doing it before it was cool

minor sun
#

Lol

minor sun
olive wadi
#

gamezoid is being rebranded btw

minor sun
#

Ya I saw

olive wadi
#

so the guide link wont work at some point or the other

minor sun
#

stoRAGE

olive wadi
#

LOL

#

epic name

#

storage

minor sun
#

Mmm explains it in one word

#

Rage at storage

buoyant frigate
#

An SSD with an AIO

minor sun
#

Yup

sour wadi
#

The fan looks like a 200mm fan for some reason lol

small steppeBOT
#
windshields#9982 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

olive wadi
#

holy crap

minor sun
#

Windshields 512l nand when

#

We can cool it now

olive wadi
trim cloak
#

actually

#

e12>e12s>2262en

olive wadi
#

e12s is e12 but can only handle half the dram capacity

trim cloak
#

what?

#

no

#

it’s the order dingus

minor sun
#

kek

blazing musk
olive wadi
#

idk im too lazy to update it

#

today at least

#

egress training tomorrow 😓

blazing musk
#

Whenever it gets updated, no big deal

olive wadi
trim cloak
#

yes it isšŸ’€

#

i’ve literally checked it so many times

olive wadi
#

e12s has half the dram cap of e12

trim cloak
#

with the latest as i said, the 2262en

blazing musk
#

As it's written that says e12 is greater than e12s which is greater than 2262

trim cloak
#

ik what e12s is, this isn’t about that

olive wadi
#

im having a funny moment

trim cloak
#

if you are using the signs in a literal sense sure

olive wadi
trim cloak
#

but those are indicated as arrows

olive wadi
#

thought you were a soy motion fanboy

trim cloak
#

nah, wd in house šŸ˜Ž

#

i like mystery teehee

olive wadi
#

gamezoid ssd controller mk 1 rev 1 will be entirely open source

trim cloak
#

cause we are reliable and trustworthy Nice

olive wadi
#

but i will be making my own closed source BSD operating system called closedBSD

#

oh lol i just realized what you were trying to say

blazing musk
#

That's a good way to guarantee no one downloads it
No one likes closed source Linux

olive wadi
#

and people use unraid so lol

#

which is closed source

trim cloak
olive wadi
trim cloak
#

šŸ˜Ž

#

ohh you right you right

#

testing

olive wadi
pale violet
#

Is 550mbs read and 520 write ssd good for gaming?

olive wadi
#

lol

#

sounds like generic sata though so probably fine

pale violet
#

Ye sata 3

olive wadi
#

i mean what actual drive is it

trim cloak
#

i feel like for the QLC nand rant

pale violet
#

This one

trim cloak
#

you should add a little side note, how it can always get improved and such with new implementations and whatever

#

all that jazz

olive wadi
#

wait

#

old link still works

olive wadi
# pale violet

not a good drive, but probably acceptable for light use

blazing musk
#

Since the old pin works for now and has extra info I'll leave both up for the time being

warped rampart
#

*off

red jay
#

šŸ‘€

warped rampart
red jay
#

Tbh i wouldn't use it, I just want it because it's a first gen raptor drive

trim cloak
#

so, it’s not famous or anything

#

unless…john lennon used that hard drive??!😳

red jay
#

Yea but I still think it's cool

#

The whole raptor/velociraptor lineup was considered pretty good when they were still coming out

trim cloak
#

i mean ig, but a hard drive as a piece of decor is just…not as ideal lolDaHeck

red jay
#

It's called collecting steveconfused

trim cloak
#

i collect cpu boxes, cause they look cool

#

a hard drive? eh

red jay
#

I don't see the difference between sentiments regarding wanting to collect hard drives vs. Cpu boxes.

It's just something that a person has interest in which makes them want to collect it lol

#

Have you seen my little cpu sticker collection in #build-pics lol

trim cloak
#

there’s no difference, people like what they likešŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

#

i’m just voicing my opinion, that it’s just a rectangular prism lol

red jay
#

Ironic

trim cloak
#

in silver too, what a color😩

fair basin
#

Can anyone recommend a free program to migrate my entire OS to my new M2 ssd?

torpid adder
#

windows installation media thinkies

#

otherwise, macrium reflect

sour wadi
#

Macrium reflect is very nais

kind sierra
red jay
#

bzzzzz

noble sedge
#

If it’s a Samsung drive, their data migration tool is excellent.

red jay
#

Horray, my free replacement hard drives all work lol

queen oracle
#

Any recommendations for 1tb NVME ssd for a budget of $150? I'll mainly game with some modding, but I might try viewpoint animation as well.

real lava
#

@queen oracle P31

#

It's like 134

#

The brand is sk-hynix ofc

queen oracle
#

Ok

#

Thanks

blazing musk
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P31 Gold specifically