storage-devices

[fierce quail]

Vintageracer?

[dusk turtle]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[fierce quail]

Bro?

[dusk turtle]

What CPU do you have

I asked

[fierce quail]

I7 9700k

Intel

[dusk turtle]

Do they show in the BIOS

Did it change the boot order in the BIOS?

[fierce quail]

No

Only the crucial shows up

[dusk turtle]

Which slot is the crucial in

Top or bottom

[fierce quail]

Bottom

[dusk turtle]

SO the top slot doesn't show up

[fierce quail]

Nope

[dusk turtle]

For either of the drives, have you swapped them to confirm both working?

[fierce quail]

I put the crucial in the top slot to see if it works but it shows up

So not a dead slot

[granite ore]

it doesn't have dram

[fierce quail]

Yes I did

I tried the csm thing too, to try to reinstall windows but it didn't work and gave me an error

[dusk turtle]

Well yeah, Windows 10 needs UEFI not Legacy mode to be installed

[fierce quail]

The intel was fine until i put the crucial in

[dusk turtle]

Try disabling Sata ports 5 and 6

[fierce quail]

Now the drive I was booting off of doesn't work

Ok I'll try that

[granite ore]

you don't have to say it six times for him to understand what's happening

[fierce quail]

Ok Its rebooting now

Will the fact that I had raid 0 on two other hdds affect these ssds at all?

[dusk turtle]

Sata SSD's?

shouldn't

[fierce quail]

Ah

Ok i disabled then and it didn't work

[dusk turtle]

Both drives work in the top slot but not the bottom or the Intel is just dead

[fierce quail]

Hshsgsgsjsj

[dusk turtle]

And you're holding them down with the screws and not just the heatsink plate yeah?

[fierce quail]

But how come the Intel was working perfectly fine before this, just yesterday this happened

No no heatsink

My tip slot doesn't come with one

[dusk turtle]

But you're using a screw to hold it in yeah?

[fierce quail]

Of course with screws

[dusk turtle]

For both slots?

[fierce quail]

Lol

Yes

[dusk turtle]

You'd be surprised.........................

[fierce quail]

Lmao

[dusk turtle]

So, does the Intel drive work in ANY of the slots?

[fierce quail]

I was daily driving this pc for a year and a half since I built it

No

[dusk turtle]

Just by itself

[fierce quail]

It doesn't show up

In the bios

[dusk turtle]

All by itself? without the Crucial installed?

[fierce quail]

Yes

As soon as I installed the crucial for the first time it seems to have died

But i ask HOW

[dusk turtle]

No one can answer the how

[fierce quail]

Guess ill just have to install windows on the crucial and send the ssd to intel

[dusk turtle]

At this point, if it's not showing up by itself no matter where you put it, I'd say so yes

:/

[fierce quail]

Hhahhagabdjsbsi well thank for the help bro, I appreciate it

[olive wadi]

Ok And?

lol

[crude radish]

any recommendations for a 1TB NVMe drive that'll be used for game storage on a laptop?

[sour wadi]

pilot e, sn550, sn750

should all fit unless its a small m.2 in the laptop

[crude radish]

is the MP33 2TB any good? I need a big drive for all my benchmarks 🙂

don't know if I wanna spend the extra $60 for the 550, let alone the 750

[plain glade]

Hello, I just purchased the MSI GE66 Dragonshield laptop 10SE version and I'm trying to find out what SSD's would work in it as I'd like to add one to the laptop. Newegg sent me here saying they don't know if the Samsung 980 would work or not

[granite ore]

looking but i cant find any tear down videos or anything on expandability

it has 2 m.2 slots

[pale frigate]

Here is the tier list we've been using. #storage-devices message

[pale frigate]

So yes it will work, (Edit Edit I'm dumb but yes that drive will work)

[crude radish]

thanks for that link - looks like as long as it's dramless AND has HMB, it should be decent for standard storage drive

[minor sun]

Check pilot e 2tb

[minor sun]

Windshields' whole thing is that dram against dramless+HMB depends heavily on the implementation, as a drive like SN550, relying less on HMB and more on sharing metadata between slc and sram, outperform most other hmb drives.

[plain glade]

Thank you Tyler, very much appreciated

[minor sun]

But yea

[plain glade]

the price isn't much difference, would it be better to get the 980 or the n750?

[minor sun]

Individual reviews do you the most good

Uh

@plain glade what country

[plain glade]

USA

[minor sun]

Pilot E, or P31 if you really want the perf

(pilot E 1tb is 115$ on Amazon last I checked, p31 is 135$, sn750 somewhere around 150$, 980 somewhere around 150$)

[dusk turtle]

Wait what?? Both of those are gen 3

[pale frigate]

Clearly I'm illiterate. Real reassuring to know I'm capable of reading right before my final in 30min

[dusk turtle]

LMAO

[pale frigate]

Me and this final exam
https://c.tenor.com/BoShdEAzOxcAAAAM/drown-sinking.gif

[tame oak]

Can someone please help me out with installation of ssd

[dusk turtle]

What SSD and what motherboard?

[tame oak]

Aorus z390 pro wifi i have 2 ssd 1 is 970 samsun and other is wd blue

[dusk turtle]

OK, the WD Blue isn't an NVME

It's SATA

let me see which slot it needs

It's going to be slow, so if you want to return it, get an SN550 instead

Reading the manual, it should work in either slot. Do you have other SATA drives plugged into the SATA ports?

[tame oak]

They both are nvme

[dusk turtle]

WD Blue isn't NVME

have a link to it?

[tame oak]

Is the sn550

[dusk turtle]

Oh, so not the Blue then LOL

[tame oak]

It says blue lol

[dusk turtle]

There's a drive called just WD Blue and it's Sata, sorry

So is it not showing in BIOS?

[torpid adder]

Blue 3D = SATA, Blue SN550 = NVMe

[dusk turtle]

Ye

[olive wadi]

a dramless drive does not need hmb to be good

there are two drives on that list which are dramless with no HMB

[dusk turtle]

Does the SN550 show up in the BIOS? Or just not Windows?

[tame oak]

Yes evwrything shows i am just not shore when i go to initialize disk it says disk one with thr check box and for some reason it id defaulted to gpt and not mbr

It is

[dusk turtle]

GPT is fine for Windows 10

[tame oak]

Is there a pwrformance diff or anything?

[dusk turtle]

Nope

Has to do with UEFI booting etc

No difference in performance

[tame oak]

Ok i am gonna do some.other steps and try to complete this

[dusk turtle]

Should just be able to go to Disk Management, right click it, Initialize and go. Been a while since I've done that tho

RIght click the one with a black bar that is unallocated

[tame oak]

Ok that is done i think the only question i have left is how to make the files that i download go to the secondary drice instead of my c drive automatocally i have downloaded discord to my pc teice noe and it has went straight to c instead of other?

[dusk turtle]

In chrome for example, set your Download Location to the other drive

[tame oak]

Ok i will do that i appolgize for these newbie questions im fresh to this

[dusk turtle]

No worries, that's why we're here

[tame oak]

i selected teh drive i would like stuff to go to but when just downloaded the g force experience it went straight to c drive as before

[dusk turtle]

https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10/how-to-change-default-download-location-in-windows-10/

[tame oak]

k i check it out thanks

[clear widget]

If I cloned my M.2 ssd to another M.2 ssd, would I be able to boot windows 10 from both drives? If I used my old M.2 in another computer would there be issues with the windows licensing?

[opal dragon]

if you clone it properly it will work, and if you bind the key to a live account it will work

[blazing musk]

1. Maybe, it depends
2. Yes the license will deactivate

You can only have a single license active on one pc at a time

[opal dragon]

oh simultaneously

no

[clear widget]

So, if I have the new ssd on, the old one will automatically deactivate? And if I turn on the other pc with the old SSD, the new one will deactivate?

[blazing musk]

The key is bound to the motherboard serial number, but can be unbound and activated on another pc using a windows account

If you use both drives on the same motherboard there won't be a problem

[clear widget]

Currently my key is bound to my live account

[blazing musk]

It's basically just a dual boot system at that point

[clear widget]

So if I try to boot the old drive on another pc, it would just show as non genuine?

[blazing musk]

Right, until you unbind the key and activate it again on the new system, making the old one invalid

[dusk turtle]

Itbprobablybwouldnt work on another pc unless exact same hardware

Motherboard etc

[blazing musk]

Yeah that too

[clear widget]

Ok, got it, thanks!

[pale frigate]

That said you can run windows 10 without activating it if you're willing to put up with a watermark in the bottom right and being locked out of some personalization options. That's what I did for a while on my old desktop and it's an option if you're really cheap or just don't have the money but I also don't overly recommend it.

[blazing musk]

Not a great option when you can find a key for cheap anyway

[pale frigate]

Yea, I was just cheap and didn't want to mess with grey market keys.

[blazing musk]

Never had a problem personally, but I'm pretty decent at spotting a scam

[pale frigate]

That's fair

[past peak]

Ya'll got any recommendations for external drives? Looking for 2tb+ and in the $70-$90 range, I'll just be using it for any extra games on my xbox that I don't play often, was originally looking at something like this https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B07CRG94G3/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=external+2tb+hard+drive&qid=1619892348&sr=8-3

[sour wadi]

I saw in #tech-deals i think crucial has a 5tb one for 100ish

If you want to just go overkill lol

[amber matrix]

I'm trying to grab a 1TB nvme drive but the mp34's out of stock, what else has good price to performance

scrolled up a bit and looks like I should maybe scoop up a mushkin pilot e

[blazing musk]

Yeah that'll do it

Check this out too

[median gyro]

hey guys i have a question if some one can help me please i have msi gp63 leopard 8rf my 1tb sata HDD is failing i want to buy samsung 970 evo plus ssd will it be compatible with the laptop the mother board in it is intel hm370 thanks

[azure thistle]

Check if the motherboard has a pcie gen 3 nvme m.2 slot

[sour wadi]

and tbh get a pilot e or sn550 instead, 970s are overpriced

[pale frigate]

I was looking at it and from what I could find it looked like the only m.2 slot was sata but I also struggled to find good info on my phone so someone may want to double check

[azure thistle]

I’m on my phone too... but I’m pretty sure sata m.2 and nvme m.2 are two different connectors... don’t quote me on that tho

[pale frigate]

They are different keyings

[azure thistle]

Nvm

O yea

[median gyro]

https://www.newegg.com/global/ae-en/black-msi-gp-series-gp63-leopard-428-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834154900

link for the laptop i have

it shows nvme ssd and the intel hm370 i am just not sure if it will work or will there be a problem

[minor sun]

@median gyro looks to be M.2 SATA, not M.2 NVMe, which is different.

[thick mulch]

Yeah, not as fast

[minor sun]

also may be different slot

[thick mulch]

Still mighty respectable

Thats true

[minor sun]

(They're trying to put 970evo in)

[thick mulch]

IDK m.2 is just a headache

[minor sun]

not really :P

[thick mulch]

Because of all its stupid varieties

That look exactly the same

[minor sun]

no

b+m is pretty easy to spot imo

[thick mulch]

And like it never works on AliExpress x79 boards

Even tho it’s advertised to

[minor sun]

meh

[thick mulch]

The chipset can’t support it

[minor sun]

protocol is wack

[thick mulch]

BTW why are you a country ball of the soviet union with a gun @minor sun

[minor sun]

why not

[thick mulch]

Because serbia is better 🇷🇸

[minor sun]

no

kosovo

[thick mulch]

Cyprus is respectable 🇨🇾

But romania is OOH 🇷🇴

Albania got its charms 🇦🇱

Latvia is 🥵 🇱🇻

[minor sun]

latvia is austria

change my mind

[thick mulch]

Estonia looking thicc 🇪🇪

[thick mulch]

Whaa...

[minor sun]

(flag)

[thick mulch]

🇦🇹

🇱🇻

Not really

[minor sun]

there is no difference

[thick mulch]

I like austria because of noctua and not much else

Latvia is darker

[minor sun]

wasa joke

but yes

[thick mulch]

Fun fact, Chad and Romania have the same flag 🇹🇩

[minor sun]

no

chad is just romania's lake

[thick mulch]

And the ivory coast and ireland have the same but inverted 🇨🇮 🇮🇪

Haa

[minor sun]

fun fact, chad means lake

[thick mulch]

What languadge

[minor sun]

Kanuri

it's also named after lake chad

which is just lake lake

:D

[thick mulch]

Wait a second did a techie just violate a rule

[minor sun]

what rule

[thick mulch]

What happened to the only english rule

I swear that existed

[minor sun]

Chad is still the name of the lake and the country

proper nouns in english

[thick mulch]

Damn

[minor sun]

:P

not like techies don't swear once in a blue moon

[thick mulch]

Thats true

How do you even get techie?

[minor sun]

mike comes to your door and says you're a techie now

[thick mulch]

I have absolutely no motivation to beacause I am mainly here to groan about my 10 year old systems not doing what I want them to do

My Phenom x6 and 950 is coming together TMRW

[carmine onyx]

My current HDD is loud as a jet so that's why I want to replace it. I want at least 2 TB and you can get a 2 TB HDD for $50. But a 2 TB SSD is like $200. Are most HDD's super loud? Or just mine?

[sour wadi]

Depends on your definition of super loud but i dont think so

[carmine onyx]

Ok, I would send an audio clip but the computer is down right now due to incompatible RAM.

[sour wadi]

Well mb look up a vid/audio of a normal sounding hdd and see if that's super loud to you

[lucid quartz]

Hey guys. So im looking into buying an ssd for around 70 dollars. Any recommendations, i was looking into the 970 evo before but its overpriced rn

[upper quiver]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YFF3JCN

that'll do

[agile osprey]

I think he's looking at regular SSDs not M2s

[upper quiver]

is the 970 evo not NVMe?

[agile osprey]

Ah, yes that was my mistake. I have the 860 evo which is not m2

[olive wadi]

idk use my ssd buying guide lmao

https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide/blob/main/README.md

[azure thistle]

so im using a 970 evo plus rn as my boot drive and storage, my question is should i get an pcie 4 as my boot drive or should i just buy an pcie 3 nvme like sn550 for games. can someone tell me if there is a significant difference between the boot times because i only have 2 m.2 slots on the mobo. I've also heard about pcie to m.2 converters but i dunno too much about them so if anyone knows more then please educate me lol.

also im getting a pcie 3 nvme as a game drive cuz ssd prices are close enough for me to nvme

[minor sun]

@olive wadi did you get qubex to update it?

since last commit be 6 days ago

[minor sun]

why do you want a pcie 4.0 drive at all

there's basically no boot time difference, even on paper, within variance.

[azure thistle]

oke so i should probably just get something like a sn550

[minor sun]

ye

[olive wadi]

yes

[minor sun]

nice

[amber matrix]

lol I didn't expect a badge with my mushkin drive for some reason

[thick mulch]

My intel drive came with a “speed demon” sticker

[torpid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-turtle-happy-bath-cute-gif-14999193

pov speed demon

[amber matrix]

new pilot e go zoom

and by "go zoom" I mean "performs well enough"

[amber matrix]

compared to corsair mp600

[dusk turtle]

Well, gen 3 vs gen 4 of course.

[blazing musk]

That random read tho

[dusk turtle]

Ye

[blazing musk]

Deep queue looks nice on mp600 but doesn't translate well to shallow queue

[dusk turtle]

Hmmm, don't know that I've ever benched my Sabrent

[amber matrix]

yeah, I bought the mp600 before I knew anything about drives

hadn't ran crystal on it yet and was curious

my pilot doesn't seem to have the max read/writes but still pretty good

[amber matrix]

copied over my call of duty installs in a minute 😩 👌

[amber matrix]

it gets kinda hot, guess I'm glad my second m.2 slot has a big ol' heatsink/cover with a thermal pad

[amber matrix]

phison e16 controller on the mp600 drops off real bad with a bigger test, like gamezoid's guide says

[mild sluice]

Samsung go vroom

[amber matrix]

oof city

[amber matrix]

das a lotta read

[mild sluice]

I really don’t need this much vroom tbh

[amber matrix]

lol I don't either

I just wanted a fast boot drive and ignorant me was like "ooh corsair pcie gen 4, hell yeah"

[mild sluice]

Until Microsoft comes out with that weird NVMe instant loading in games thing for pc it’s just super fast storage lol

My “mass” storage is kinda overkill 2... it’s just 2 1tb 860 evos in raid 0

🤷‍♂️

[amber matrix]

oh woops I ran that last test in not-nvme mode

[amber matrix]

still the big hit to seq write

[mild sluice]

Danggg

[tall ore]

I believe the term you are looking for is DirectStorage

[mild sluice]

that is infact the term

[marble shale]

Can anyone help out a noob with a NAS

[sour wadi]

My knowledge about running a nas is limited but what's your question anyway?

[blazing musk]

I've done a few NAS setups, what's the issue?

[full cedar]

Guys

How much could I sell an 8TB Seagate HDD for?

A new one goes for about $380

[dusk turtle]

It does? https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B07CQJBSQL

[full cedar]

Internal

[minor sun]

shucking be like

[sour wadi]

Not 380$ still

[dusk turtle]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07H289S7C

$150

[full cedar]

Sorry, forgot about swedens added taxes lul

[sour wadi]

Tax aint that much lol

[full cedar]

In sweden a 3090 strix goes for almost $3000

is that not much added tax for example?

[sour wadi]

No that's due to the extremely high demand

[minor sun]

I mean, proshop sometimes has pretty decent deals

[sour wadi]

If you take off the tax it's gonna be similar to what others are paying

[full cedar]

you should see swedens income tax

[minor sun]

@full cedar a pretty good 8tb internal drive (I would take n300 over Barracuda 8tb any day), is the equivalent of ~200usd
https://www.proshop.se/Haarddisk/Toshiba-N300-NAS-HDWG180UZSVA-Haarddisk-8-TB-35-7200-rpm-SATA-600-256-MB-cache/2855979

~2000sek after vat

[full cedar]

[minor sun]

Occasional reminder that CDI misreads some info:
Bout to hit 500PB read

[azure thistle]

hmmm WD sn550 1 tb for $109 or samsung 980 1 tb for $129

[sour wadi]

Pilot e

Same price as 550 and better in pretty much everyway

[real lava]

980 sucks

It's uh dramless while costing more than that pilot e

[azure thistle]

i saw a video where they explained that 980 is dram less but they would use up a little bit of your ram instead to compensate for it

[real lava]

Yes, but it's not exactly the best way

Doesn't have to borrow system's ram if it has dram, which there's an ssd that fits the price

[red jay]

Whats the best external ssd for a ps5?

[blazing musk]

https://www.amazon.com/WD_Black-Drive-Portable-External-Compatible/dp/B08V8THXNL?th=1

[red jay]

😄 thank you!

[blazing musk]

Pricy but you asked for the best lol

[red jay]

i gotcha XD

I appreciate it

[prime narwhal]

Hey could you guys help me make my c rucial P1 into a boot drive instead of just storage?

[sour wadi]

Jayz 2 cents has a vid on it using a freeware tool

I'd recommend looking at that

[ivory tangle]

my gamer

[carmine onyx]

would better cpu and ram decrease hdd noise

[dusk turtle]

No

[blissful night]

Lmfao

[grizzled pagoda]

@prime narwhal you need to install windows again. You can either download windows on a usb and disconnect your main boot drive if it makes it easier, like lets say they have the same amount of storage, would make it much easier to install to. Or you can maybe just install windows by downloading the media creation tool and... i could be wrong but it might ask what drive you want to install too. Up to you

[prime narwhal]

I have Acronis installed I just don’t know which files I should move over

@grizzled pagoda

[dusk turtle]

If you're going that route, you need to clone the entire drive

[grizzled pagoda]

Yeah so make sure you format the ssd then or move what ever you stored on the drive unless you just bought it.

[jaunty quarry]

Hello friends! I have a question that I've been trying to figure out for a while now. However, everywhere I go I cant seem to find a straight answer. I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me figure out if bifurcation is something I need to worry about when using a PCIe to SATA SSD HBA? I need to add more SATA SSD's to my NAS, and I was thinking of using an HBA. Except I'm worried that only one of my drives will be detected without bifurcation of my PCIe slot.

[blazing musk]

Bifurcation is only a concern if you are splitting a port or slot between two or more devices, i.e. running two nvme drives on the same m.2 PCI-e slot. If you plan to use an adapter to have multiple devices on the same port/slot, the device must support bifurcation.

A workaround if your NAS doesn't support that is to get bigger drives instead of more drives.

[pale frigate]

1-10 scale how recoverable is this data? 😂😂 My dad is so particular about his hard drives

In his book a hard drive isn't clean unless it's mangled beyond recognition

[carmine onyx]

you should take that to a data recovery service

see how they react

[sour wadi]

Think he'll be okay lol

[olive wadi]

ok

[minor sun]

@olive wadi what's the username for?

Did we get new testing and sn750 just sucks?

[rancid pike]

:(

it better not

[olive wadi]

have you never looked at an sn750 review

it sucks at random mixed io

while having super strong sustained sequential performance

it doesn't suck

it just sucks in a certain way

it's fine at random write but im of the opinion that random write isn't as important as random read

so basically what im saying is buy sk hynix p31 gold instead

best of both worlds ™️

[minor sun]

oh gotcha

ofc p31 is bae but yaknow

[pale frigate]

Yea p31 is notably cheaper too isn't it?

[pale frigate]

😂😂I might see if I can find one somewhat local

[olive wadi]

yes

[late lintel]

If im gonna add a spinning hard drive to my computer solely for storage, and its been used in a another computer, do i need to run that computer with the hard drive in it and wipe it before installing into my current PC. Or how should i go about installing it to maximize storage space

[sour wadi]

you can clear just chuck it into the one you want storage in

[late lintel]

alrighty thanks

[real lava]

tfw sn750 best value ssd in where i live

no pilot e to beat it here

[sour wadi]

Sn550 no?

[real lava]

no

sn550 is same price as it here

[sour wadi]

Fair enough

[pale frigate]

No p31 gold?

[real lava]

ye lol

sk hynix stuff is pretty much non-existent here

[pale frigate]

Oof, out of curiosity what country or region?

[real lava]

thailand

[pale frigate]

Ah ok

[olive wadi]

UK?

SN750 UK value is pretty sweet

it's like 100-110 britbucks

[real lava]

im speaking of thailand

[olive wadi]

meh everythings part of the UK anyways

Silicon SPA80 seems to be more affordable than the sn750 in thailand

just peaking at pcp

[jaunty quarry]

aww shoot, so if I need to add more 2.5 inch SSD's then my mainboard has SATA ports ill need a new mobo, an HBA, and a CPU that has more PCIe lanes? guess i gotta polish off the credit card once more 😛

[dusk turtle]

Pcie lanes for 2.5 ssd??

[olive wadi]

yes you need PCIE lanes for sata devices aswell

for the controller

[real lava]

pcpp uses newegg

which has expensive shipping fees

sad tbh

i wish pcpp thailand would use local sites here

[jaunty quarry]

I was looking to add more 2.5 ssd's for my NAS array by using an HBA. however everywhere I look people run into the issue of only having one of the drives show up. So far I've found out that its because the pcie slot that the HBA occupies needs bifurcation (splitting it up), but now im left wondering if i split a x16 slot into 4x4x4x4, does that mean ill only be able to add 4 2.5 inch sata ssd's to that one HBA?

[dusk turtle]

I thought falcie answered you or no?

[olive wadi]

doubtful, if it's a sata HBA I'd assume it has a sata controller

although i might be wrong i believe it effectively completes the bifurcation function

hardware raid also shouldn't require bifurcation if you're interested in that 😄

I'm not too invested into how sata controllers actually interface with the lanes, but it actually may need bifurcation if they are to be treated as separate drives

hardware raid controllers running with raid on the other hand effectively interface multiple drives as one drive, so that's one way of getting around any sort of lack of bifurcation

[jaunty quarry]

@blazing musk @dusk turtle @olive wadi Thank you everyone for the help! I've been trying to figure that out for ~1 month now and everywhere I went I either got talked down to or no one replied. Honestly, thanks a bunch, and 'til next time! 🙂

[lunar forge]

is it HDD Farming or HDD Mining?

[blazing musk]

Chia calls it farming

[rare cosmos]

Can anyone help me i have a Seagate Constellation ES.2 ST33000650SS 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SAS 6Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive and i am wanting to make it a external hdd. But not sure actually what i need

[blazing musk]

A simple sata to usb 3.0 adapter would work, or a drive caddy

[rare cosmos]

Sata to usb dont work

[blazing musk]

A powered adapter would be needed since it's 3.5"

Oh it's SAS, hang on

[rare cosmos]

Yes it is

[blazing musk]

Ok, this is significantly harder (more expensive) to do than simply buying a new external hard drive. You'd need either an active converter that translates SAS-speak to SATA or a NAS box that supports SAS drives.
SAS is simply not intended to be an external drive, and requires specialized hardware.
You can buy a new 6TB Western Digital external drive for $125, or you can spend $300-$800 on a NAS box, or $600 on converters.

[rare cosmos]

So it would be better just install it in my desktop ot sounds like

Thank you for helping me

[blazing musk]

Even that will require a converter or a compatible motherboard, since the signal voltage of SAS is different from SATA. SATA drives can be used on SAS ports, but not the other way around.

[rare cosmos]

Ok ty

[narrow sorrel]

Anyone have experience with using the Crucial P1?

How is it?

[sour wadi]

bout the same price as sn550 tbh apparantly performs quite poor

[narrow sorrel]

Hmm

[sour wadi]

@narrow sorrel i reccomend using this as a guide

the general consensus is buy the cheapest in each tier

[narrow sorrel]

Oh yeah, the P1 is qlc, I forgot

[torpid adder]

inb4 plc becomes the norm for cheap ssds

[narrow sorrel]

SSD technology the only place tech is actually back stepping at every chance

[torpid adder]

well I mean rocket lake

[narrow sorrel]

Well...technically IPC improved

[torpid adder]

there are definitely improvements in rocket lake cpus if the i5s are considered good

[narrow sorrel]

The i5s saw improvements but everything else was a laughing stock. Except nobody cares about i3 and lower so nobody knows enough about the new ones and the refresh to determine if they are a laughing stock

[torpid adder]

the new i3s aren't rocket lake tho

[narrow sorrel]

They refreshed them with Rocket Lake so I included the i3s on a technicality

The fact that people completely forgot about them probably says enough

[torpid adder]

yea

[sour wadi]

@vital jay

[vital jay]

oh

[foggy lichen]

So I've got a 1TB WD Black M.2 Nvme drive. had it for a year now. workd perfectly fine. Didn't use my PC until abt an hour ago at which point i noticed that the PC wasn't recognizing the drive was plugged into my nvme slot. So i unplugged it after turning off my pc, plugged it back in, still nothing. Plugged it into another nvme bay. Still nothing. Tried a 3rd bay. still nothing. Needless to say, my PC isnt recognizing anything on the drive or the drive itself but there is data and programs on it because i've been using it for a year. not sure what to do at this point. Do I contact WD tomorrow and request a recovery? or has anyone else had this issue at some point? Thanks

[amber matrix]

is there another computer you could try putting it in?

[foggy lichen]

i can tomorrow

see if anything changes

[viral rune]

so for SSDs, m.2s

I just bought an MP400 for $195 at best buy, was that a good idea?

I hear its not bad, plus it seemed like a good deal, it was on newegg for $240

the first SSD I ever bought was a 960 Evo like 3 years ago when 500GB was $250 😭

it's a 2TB btw, the corsair mp400

[real lava]

That's nice

[minor sun]

it's meh

pilot e 2tb is 220$

[real lava]

Ah, mhmm, alright

[viral rune]

I mean for the price it doesnt seem bad

especially at BEST BUY lmao

went there hoping to find a 3080 but found this instead

[sour wadi]

Best buy only sell gpus online unless they were returned to your specific store btw

[viral rune]

interesting

ill keep that in mind

[olive wadi]

meh

wouldn't say that

most people don't realize that modern QLC is still leagues ahead of planar MLC

increasing cell levels is where you lose performance the most

besides that it's improving

[olive wadi]

meh

it's okay-ish

for that price

QLC is gradually improving where it suffers the most, see 660p vs 670p

that's the new 144 layer flash die

[minor sun]

144l is fun

[outer pecan]

https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-1tb/p/0D9-001Y-00012?quicklink=true
Is this a good SSD? i cant use gen 4 btw

or would it be better to get the Samsung 980 1TB?

[minor sun]

@outer pecanP31
https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Gold-PCIe-Internal/dp/B08DKB5LWY/

[outer pecan]

thanks

[olive wadi]

idk read my ssd buying guide or sum

[real lava]

qlc still trashy

[olive wadi]

ok gamer

[real lava]

it is tho, compared to tlc lol

[olive wadi]

better than micron 32 layer TLC

™️

[real lava]

i meant same layer count, sorry for forgetting to add it

[olive wadi]

144 layer TLC doesn't exist

and layer count doesn't=better by cause

[real lava]

i know

[olive wadi]

😎

[real lava]

but it's still worse than existing tlc drives that are decent

[olive wadi]

sure

would still call it more complicated then that

there exist some pretty trashy TLC dies out there, just as there exists trashy QLC drives

generalized sure

that same attitude prevailed with the coming of TLC and now we accept TLC as the standard

i imagine in the near-ish future it will be complaining about PLC 😄

[real lava]

I don't accept qlc myself yet, but I respect your opinion

[narrow sorrel]

The moment I heard about the possibility of PLC I was complaining 🤷‍♂️

[torpid adder]

Aren't most TLC drives 64 or 96 layer

Don't see why you should hyperfocus on 32 layer

I wonder how many layers wd green is

Doesn't say on the spreadsheet

[ashen aurora]

because it's 2D nand

[torpid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

POV me

[azure thistle]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DKB5LWY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AQOB6KMG423ER&psc=1

steal?

p31 on a 15% off

[minor sun]

Steal it

[soft whale]

is the seagate Ironwolf 6tb NAS HDD a good choice to make?

https://www.newegg.ca/seagate-ironwolf-st6000vn0033-6tb/p/N82E16822172057?Item=N82E16822172057

that one

[minor sun]

@soft whale for doing what?

I'd prob grab a x300 6tb tho

[soft whale]

mostly just storage. I had to rip a 100gb drive out of my laptop to get my pc running, and I'm throwing all my stuff on an external drive because I'm out of space, so I just want something for storage that will be good lol

[sour wadi]

I'd grab the 4tb x300 don't think there's a 6gb one in cananda

Well there is but it's 400 cad

2x x300 4tb id needed

[minor sun]

What

@sour wadi I just saw one for 200cad

https://www.newegg.ca/toshiba-x300-hdwr160xzsta-6tb/p/N82E16822149764

[olive wadi]

substituting a nas hard drive with dergamer hdd

[minor sun]

@olive wadi looks like a gamer drive use case to me

[olive wadi]

idk man buy an intel optane p5800x if you are gaming

[minor sun]

Lmao

Also, do you know if Intel is building a new fab for 3dxpoint at all?

[olive wadi]

no but adata is

[minor sun]

Huh

@olive wadi do we know who bought micron's fab?

[olive wadi]

i did

gamezoid LTD will be taking up 3dxpoint production

[minor sun]

Lol

[olive wadi]

and will be immediately developing 176 layer 3dxpoint

[minor sun]

256 layer or nothing

4x64 go

[amber matrix]

that p31 sale do got me kinda tempted even though I don't need a drive...

[sour wadi]

Pcpp being dumb then 🙄

[open gust]

Guys just wondering what’s the absolute fastest m.2

[minor sun]

Depends on what you're measuring

Rnd, SK Hynix P31

Overall seq wise, sn850

Just seq, rocket 4 plus

[open gust]

Overall

Like fastest in everything

@minor sun what’s the most important thing when choosing one

[minor sun]

What are you going to do with it

There is no absolute best at everything

[open gust]

Put files and games

[minor sun]

P31 for games

[open gust]

Boot my pc

[minor sun]

P31

[open gust]

What about read and write speed

Speed of uploading files

[minor sun]

What

[open gust]

Read and write speed wise

[minor sun]

What are you uploading to

[open gust]

On the m.2

[minor sun]

Because it's much more likely your internet will be the bottleneck at that point

[open gust]

Ok

What’s the speeds for the p31

[minor sun]

Which measurement

[dusk turtle]

Sequential read and write speed don't really matter

[open gust]

Oh

[open gust]

What does

What’s the kid timprtant measurement

[minor sun]

Just go read a ssd review >:p

[open gust]

Most important

[open gust]

Where is that located

[minor sun]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sk-hynix-gold-p31-m2-nvme-ssd-review

[open gust]

Ok thx

[minor sun]

Toms hardware and anandtech usually

[azure thistle]

It’s on sale on Amazon rn too

15% off

[blazing musk]

Lol imagine having 5 GB/s upload speed and having to worry about M.2 speed slowing it down. That would be some crazy networking solution.

[red jay]

How would i be able to tell if a harddrive is 6gb or 6?

Or 3

[dusk turtle]

You mean SATA 2 or SATA 3?

It should say on the drive what sata version it is

[torpid adder]

Not that it matters, no hard drive can even saturate SATA 2

(maybe some real expensive ones 😳 )

[red jay]

Ok cuse i got some from old pc and my dell

I was gonda wipe and use for new pc

[blazing musk]

Gopher it

My old drives are mainly ancient backups I occasionally plug into my dock

[rare harness]

I got one of those external enclosures for plugging a hard drive into. I stuck the 2 TB that will be the storage drive for my new desktop in it and used it to copy all the data off my laptop I wanted to save. And later I can put another hard drive in the enclosure and use it as a backup device.

[olive wadi]

wat

[olive wadi]

WHAT

[olive wadi]

buy a $90 mp33 lol

stop worrying about the "fastest"

waste of your time

[dusk turtle]

Dun worry, they'll be back in a couple weeks to ask this all over again.

Been asking since December XD

[rare harness]

I don't know if they're a really dedicated troll or just really indecisive.

[dusk turtle]

I mean we're going on 6 months now XD

[rare harness]

Sort of reminds me of this one dude on the WoW server I play on. He spent literal years hawking the same dang shield for a ridiculous price in trade chat.

[minor sun]

@olive wadi hey p31 is much better than rocket 4 plus

[olive wadi]

????

p31 gold is great for it's price, ive never said its the best

[olive wadi]

Q?

they're like the same in 4k random qd1 lol

"really indecisive" read my ssd buying guide clearly says gamers should buy el cheapo ssds 😎

[rare harness]

It wasn't you, it was the Espsolandude I was talking about

[olive wadi]

understandable have a nice day

[minor sun]

@olive wadiwack thought it was better at rnd read qd1

[olive wadi]

barely

[tepid grove]

What's a good price point for a 1tb storage for HDD/SSD/NVME ?

[dusk turtle]

SSD NVME is $100 for the good stuff. HDD is $50-60 for 2TB

[tepid grove]

Ah, looks like there's a good deal for that Adata 1tb SSD, Thank you very much Racer!

[dusk turtle]

Adata? Which one?

Normally we recommend Mushkin Pilot E

[tepid grove]

It's this one

ADATA SU720 1TB 3D Nand 2.5 Inch SATA III R/W Speed up to 520/450 MB/s Internal SSD (ASU720SS-1T-C) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088JT3M1R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XKFDSDQH4BR6MS5Y931V?psc=1

[minor sun]

sus one

[tepid grove]

Wait, it's not good ?

[minor sun]

dramless qlc with unknown controller and iffy nand

so uh

ye

[dusk turtle]

Yeah nah

[tepid grove]

Alrighty, i'll keep on looking for some other ssd's

[dusk turtle]

Do you want an SSD or an NVME M.2?

[tepid grove]

ssd atm,

[dusk turtle]

If SSD, Crucial is good, MX500 or something

[tepid grove]

Hay! I got of them before and were pricey, i wonder if the price lowered a bit, Now i'm curious about the NVME M.2

[minor sun]

mp33

helix l

[tepid grove]

Thank you Mr1111, i'll go check it out!

[dusk turtle]

NVME is about the same price as a 1 TB Sata SSD

[tall tusk]

how do you format a NV.me ssd

[dusk turtle]

Right click it, Format

[minor sun]

disk management

right click on drive in disk management

format

[dusk turtle]

Why there? Just curious

[minor sun]

why not :(

[dusk turtle]

Cuz open explorer right click boom done XD

[minor sun]

I assume it's not initiated yet

[tall tusk]

Well that's how I did it last time but I forgot how to get there

[dusk turtle]

Ah, good point

[minor sun]

search disk management in search bar

[tall tusk]

New simple volume?

[minor sun]

if nothing there, new simple volume

[tall tusk]

Thatnks

[blazing musk]

You can also get to disk management by right clicking the start menu button on the task bar, among other fun shortcuts

[dusk turtle]

I always forget about that -_-

[tall tusk]

Well my dumb self got there but didn't scroll down

[minor sun]

yea

I always just search disk management

easiest for my smol brain to remember xD

[tall tusk]

It is now time to move games

[dusk turtle]

Drives go brrrrrrrrrr

[blazing musk]

You're just used to using older operating systems and doing it the hard(ish) way. Shortcuts tend to fall by the wayside.

[sterile grove]

What’s the easiest device or service for backing up an entire windows computer?

[blazing musk]

Backblaze imo

[sterile grove]

That’s an online service right? It’ll create an exact image of the system? I have no knowledge of backup systems.

[blazing musk]

It can make both full system images or individual folder backups. Yes it's online, and pretty affordable.

It runs the backup in the background when you're not using the computer

[sterile grove]

I just reached out to their support and they said they only do files and such, not a system image.

[blazing musk]

Hmm they must have changed it since I last checked

You can always compare features on some of these programs. I use this site a lot.
"Best backup software solutions of 2021 | TechRadar" https://www.techradar.com/best/best-backup-software

[sterile grove]

Thanks bud

[real lava]

oh god that hdd pic

rip platter

[burnt lichen]

So my SSHD died (Solid state hybrid drive) and i need a new general storage drive, what 2tb 2.5" sats ssd do you guys reccoemened?

I just need somthing that lasts alot of writes, has dram, and decently priced

And good performance too

[torpid adder]

A hard drive

But if you want a good sata ssd, go for MX500 or Blue 3D

[burnt lichen]

Samsung 870 evo 2tb any good?

Its like 15 bucks more than the mx500 2tb and i trust samsung ssds for the most part

[torpid adder]

I don't see any reason to go for a Samsung drive, but if you want

Man sshds were really a garbage choice 😔

Not enough ssd cache to be worth it

[burnt lichen]

Tell me that 2 years ago 😔

[torpid adder]

Ehe

Well now you can get good ssds for pretty cheap so it ain't so bad

[upper echo]

i love storage

[jaunty quarry]

Hello friends, I hope everyone's weekends are going well! I'm looking to build a second, high performance, low capacity server. This server will run FreeNAS 11.3, and will be hosting Plex (1-5 users), my frequently accessed files (Nextcloud), and a vanilla Minecraft server (2 players max). MY GOALS: #1. Minimum write speeds of 800 megabytes/s + decent read speeds. #2. A "flawless" streaming experience with Plex. #3. Room for storage expansion. PLANNED HARDWARE: AMD RYZEN 3955WX Threadripper pro, ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI, Western Digital WD Red SA500 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3D NAND (5 of them), all connected through a LSI 9300-8i PCI-Express 3.0 SATA / SAS 8-Port SAS3 12Gb/s HBA. Is there anything I'm missing? Is this build complete overkill? Any thoughts, comments, concerns, and/or suggestion would be greatly appreciated, and thank-you in advance! 🙂

[blazing musk]

If you want to be able to run all those things at once without compromising, threadripper is a good choice.
The part I'm missing is why you have so low storage capacity running a plex server. SAS is unnecessary for this build. A small nvme drive for boot with a good 2tb sata ssd x2 will perform just as well in this use case. Probably cheaper without the SAS controller too.
If you really wanted you could turn this into an ITX build with an AMD Epyc processor. You'd save some space that way.

It should also go without saying, to run all that at once 32gb of memory minimum, 64gb ideally

[void kraken]

Hello, I have a question, if I say, get an external SSD and connect it to my laptop now, will I be able to use it in the future in a PC connecting it directly to the motherboard with a male type c to male SATA cable?

[pallid orchid]

But why?

Just get an m.2 drive like an sn550 and an ssd enclosure

[void kraken]

I want to use an external hard drive at the moment

because I have a laptop

[pallid orchid]

So the drive enclosure makes the ssd into external

[void kraken]

and will that cost about the same as an external ssd?

it will cost like 30 dollars more

is there a good thing about that im missing here?

[pallid orchid]

yes

the usb c to sata might not work

also sata drives are slower than nvme

[void kraken]

I see

and If I connect it via usb 3.1 which comes with the external hard drive, which has up to 10gb/s, is there still a downside?

[pallid orchid]

downside with what?

[void kraken]

With using the external hard drive

[pallid orchid]

Not externally

will make a diference if you adapt it

[void kraken]

I see, thank you!

[sour wadi]

Tbf even sata is bottlenecked by usb 3

[pallid orchid]

not really

usb bandwidth is shared

sata usually isnt

on modern boards

[sour wadi]

Yeah but i mean it will be bottlenecked by the enclosure, ofc its fine when into the laptop/pc

[pallid orchid]

It wont need wierd janky adapters so no bottleneck there

[sour wadi]

Hmm okay

[pale frigate]

Not only that the drives they put in external drives are typically slower drives than internal ones you'd purchase since in most cases they'll be limited by the speed of the interface

Granted with thunderbolt and stuff that's become less applicable

[torpid adder]

M.2 enclosures are pretty expensive from what I've seen, much more than a SATA drive enclosure or a SATA to USB adapter

[rare harness]

I bought an external enclosure so I could use it to copy all the data off my old laptop. That hard drive will then be moved to rest in my new desktop and I'll probably buy another hard drive later to throw in that enclosure to use for backups.

[wispy forum]

do you guys have any tips on how to power a sata drive? i have a sas port on my mobo that i can split 4 ways, but I do not have a way to power those drives

[torpid adder]

The power supply

[wispy forum]

actually just found this

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Power-Splitter-Adapter-PYO4SATA/dp/B0086OGN9E

exactly what i needed lol

[heavy dagger]

Do we think this Chia craze is here to stay. Getting close to needing another drive for my NAS and looks like easystores are all but gone

[dusk turtle]

Probably. Its a drive killer tho

[heavy dagger]

yeah going to lead to so much e-waste.... Supposed to be the "green coin" too ha

Crypto is just such a waste to me. So much hardware, energy and effort put into literally nothing.

[torpid adder]

funny number make monie go up

[dusk turtle]

Chia def not green

It pounds on the CPU as well

50,000 GB written in one week

[blazing musk]

Chia will start to die out as people realize that specialized, server grade hardware is needed to avoid premature failure. Replacing the drives will take all of your potential profits without getting SAS SSD setups with an endurance rating around 5PB.

[agile osprey]

costs me at most .40 cents a day to mine

What else is it supposed to do while i work? Be silent?

[minor sun]

pretty sure they're just talking about chia about that bit, but ye

Chia is just trash

[azure thistle]

yea i also heard news about the creator of chia actually kept tons of chia to themselves

[tepid grove]

I've been thinking and i've noticed that I overkilled it on Storage and wondering if i'm in the Alright Zone: I have 2 HDDs, 3 SSD's and 2 NVME: 1tb HDD, 4tb HDD, 128gb SSD, 256gb SSD, 500gb SSD, 500gb NVME, 1tb NVME, and lately I've contemplated on whether or not did I overkilled it for my College pc ?

[minor sun]

The question is, are you using that storage?

If you're using all that storage, no problems at all, it's for you to use

And it's less extensive if you just look at capacity, smth like 2.3tb of SSD, 5tb HDD, not THAT much.

pretty sure lili had like a 6TB drive filled with just flac files for various songs

[tepid grove]

From what i'm seeing: The 1tb HDD is just all games from Steam, the 4tb is being used for Recordings and Art for class but only 5%-10% is being used, and the 500gb NVME is 30% used for SFM

[leaden ruin]

doesn't seem too overkill

[minor sun]

what's with the small capacity SSDs..?

just seems annoying

[tepid grove]

They were on a sale back then before the inflation, and now after doing more research all I want now is a 500gb MX Crucial SSD

[minor sun]

wack

I would just suggest 1tb+ from this point on tbh

more small capacity drives just gets annoying imo

[leaden ruin]

agreed

[minor sun]

If you have a reasonable need for it, nothing wrong with more storage tho

[tepid grove]

So a 1tb Crucial SSD, defintiely a want! Yet need to find a great price point, it's a bit inflated, and i've asked before what's a good price for a 1tb ssd and one of you said $90/$100

[minor sun]

well uh

doesn't have to be crucial

[tepid grove]

Ah, mines are a mix of Kingston/Adata/WD/Seagate

[tepid grove]

but crucial to be sure, i've seen reviews from Jayz2cents

[minor sun]

uh?

wat

[leaden ruin]

😕

[tepid grove]

My bad, what i meant was I'm going with Crucial because of how Reliable and cheap they are atm

[minor sun]

uhhhhhh

[dusk turtle]

2.5 SSD or NVME

[minor sun]

2.5

[dusk turtle]

MX500 not bad

[minor sun]

ye

but

Crucial in general

there's the BX500

[dusk turtle]

BX500 low end tho yeah?

[minor sun]

yes, very

b stands for bad >:P

apparently 1/2tb are supposed to be sm2259xt+96L QLC now, dunno how that performs, but the other varients were kinda bad

[tepid grove]

but from what i've heard it's user an older chip model leading to less writing speeds

[minor sun]

250gb/500gb models literally use the same controller as mx500 lol

SM2258

[tepid grove]

So wait, it was all a lie from what i've heard ?

[minor sun]

1tb/2tb BX500 uses 2259xt, which should be an even newer controller than sm2258 lel

I'm guessing it's either bad nand or just dramless actually killing bx500 perf

[tepid grove]

"The BX is a stripped-down version of the MX" from what i've seen

[minor sun]

they strip off the dram

and for 500gb/250gb, it looks to be 64L Micron TLC when MX500 moved onto 96L Micron TLC

[tepid grove]

How much of a performance drop is it from a 500gb mx vs a 500gb bx ?

[minor sun]

bench that's easy to understand

[tepid grove]

Wow, not that much of a difference

[minor sun]

sustained transfer is just absolute bad

[minor sun]

not that much that's cutting off like 20% of the loading time lel

[tepid grove]

Nvm, from what i've said

Guess i'll be sticking with a 500gb or 1tb ssd from Crucial

[minor sun]

plz just take brand name off

Sticking with a 500gb/1tb MX500, yea, I agree

Crucial in general, no

[tepid grove]

My apologize about that, What are your suggestions for a 500gb/1tb ssd ?

[minor sun]

860 evo also works, mx500 is p good, there's a good few others, but I'm too lazy to look at sata drives most of the time

WD blue works, Team Vulcan (NOT VULCAN G) works

[olive wadi]

lol

they are literally no more reliable than anything else

wtf

bx500 sucks big butt

literal poop

idk read the gamezoid buying guide in the pins

[torpid adder]

Lol

[wispy forum]

im plotting on my hard disks, trying to get 14 parallel plots going but its an adventure

i was wondeirng if u guys had any advice on missing drives... i have a drive with ubuntu and ext4, took it out and booted windows for smth, then i took windows drive out and put this one back in and the computer is not detecting it. ubuntu live cd fdisk isnt getting it either

[minor sun]

Wouldn't be surprised if the missing drives are drives that have already died

[agile osprey]

I have drives that are 18 years old that still spin up

whether they are stable is another question

[minor sun]

@agile osprey Chia is really crazy with killing drives

[agile osprey]

M2's and Disc alike?

[minor sun]

everything

[agile osprey]

oof

Yeah I'm comfortable with just eth mining

[minor sun]

it was plotting like 30,000TB a month iirc

I know it killed a sn550 in a month

[agile osprey]

jfc, yeah that will create some bad sectors

[dusk turtle]

50,000 GB a week on NVME lol

[minor sun]

30,000 gb sounds more correct

was thinking tb for some reason

30,000 tb is uh

yea

hey, my drive has written like 20 times 30,000tb according to cdi

[dusk turtle]

Derbauer tested it and it was like 52,000 GB in a week of Chia

[pallid orchid]

47000

[olive wadi]

doubtful lol

i do not believe an sn550 would be able to survive 30,000TBW

oh wait you already realized it

[minor sun]

@olive wadi yeye

[olive wadi]

idk im buying some $1000 enterprise ssd for chia plotting lol

[minor sun]

mixed up units

but it was crazy

[olive wadi]

gotta put my 100+tb of hdds to use

[minor sun]

@olive wadi use 3dxpoint for plotting

do it

afaik it's actually good

[olive wadi]

i was going to but i found a 3.84tb of kioxa u.2 for the same price as 800gb of 3dxpoint

yes

3dxpoint would be excellent at plotting chia

[minor sun]

oo

kioxia u2 eh

[olive wadi]

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/124507069741

[minor sun]

neat

OH GAWD

THE SHIPPING

[olive wadi]

its gamer shipping

cant wait to throw this ssd in my fortnite rig

[whole ridge]

I am looking to buy an internal secondary SSD card, are any techinical specs Ishould be looking for? I have very little experience with buying additional storage units.

[blazing musk]

If you have a modern motherboard you probably have M.2 slots you can put nvme drives in. Check this out from one of our resident SSD experts:
https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide/blob/main/README.md

[plush crag]

Might as well

https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide/blob/main/README.md

[blazing musk]

Now that it's in a format that retains its link through updates, good idea.

[whole ridge]

Thx

[pale frigate]

Hey out of curiosity do you guys know why chia is being branded as "environmentally friendly" when it destroys drives super fast creating huge amounts of ewaste?

[dusk turtle]

Because marketing

NOt only that

It pounds your CPU

really hard

[pale frigate]

Oh interesting

[dusk turtle]

basically to get peoples interest

Yeah, check this review lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twwyBdsRYL4

Check out his CPU useage and data written to the NVME

[pale frigate]

Ok because I've seen like 4 articles now calling it a greener alternative and I'm kinda like "isn't ewaste from dead drives so much worse than power consumption"

[minor sun]

who wrote the articles

verge?

[dusk turtle]

Watch DerBaeuers review lol

It ain't green, it's far from it

[minor sun]

Chia might be somewhat viable with enterprise drives or 3dxpoint drives, we'll see

[pale frigate]

One of the ones I just saw was Tom's Guide, they're just the little articles google has been suggesting.

[minor sun]

@olive wadi what's the micron 3dxpoint drive called again? I know they made one, but don't remember the name...

[olive wadi]

dont know

[olive wadi]

stop buying my precious consumer drives and start buying ebay enterprise ssds

[dusk turtle]

Kioxia?

Oh, that's Toshiba

[pale frigate]

Lol that's fair, I'm not interested in participating in chia I was just confused how it could be considered green

[dusk turtle]

Because marketing to get peoples interest

Honestly nothing more or less

[pale frigate]

That's fair

[olive wadi]

probably since you only need to make the plots once and can then run them on a raspberry pi

[red jay]

bruh

i am getting this error

i just got this HDD

and i am not able to initialize it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HH6g755TBQ

tried this video to tfix it

it didnt fiz

fix

anybody got any suggestions?

[red jay]

anyone?????

[long osprey]

whats a good m.2 for around 130-150

[sour wadi]

pilot e

[minor sun]

P31

[long osprey]

Samsung - 980 1TB PCIe 3.0 is this any good or this WD - WD_BLACK SN750 NVMe 1TB

[pale frigate]

Sk Hynix P31 is a bit cheaper and near identical* performance to the sn750

[pale frigate]

#storage-devices message

[minor sun]

P31 better performance tho

[pale frigate]

is it outright better? I thought sn750 also pretty much saturated pcie gen3

[minor sun]

Again with the "seq doesn't mean much"

[sour wadi]

better perf sn750 can be outperformed by the 550

[long osprey]

someone told me that the Samsung - 980 1TB PCIe 3.0 is good for price is it

[pale frigate]

how much is it rn?

[long osprey]

130

[minor sun]

Loading time tests wouldn't look like this if sn750 was the best

980 is just

[pale frigate]

if you're spending that much p31 gold is outright a better drive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DKB5LWY/ref=twister_B08DKD8RNG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[minor sun]

Meh

[long osprey]

so which one sn 750 or p31

[pale frigate]

p31

its cheaper than the sn750 and performs better

[sour wadi]

p31

[minor sun]

980 is an interesting drive

[sour wadi]

570 is hit or miss tbh

[minor sun]

Performs like good pcie 3.0 drives but uses hmb

Only mid/high end hmb drive on the market

Anyways p31 better, that's that.

[long osprey]

the p31 is 135$ the sn 750 is 130$ and the 980 Samsung is 130$

[pale frigate]

p31

for the $5 the performance is worth it

[long osprey]

alright thanks im using it for gaming mostly and some work

[olive wadi]

it's better than the SN750

the SN750 sucks at random mixed IO

[olive wadi]

buy the p31

but what i actually mean is if you're just gaming buy the intel 670p for $100

[shut furnace]

why is spreadsheet not pinned

[abstract current]

Should I buy the sn550 1tb at newegg for 100 or is there a better option atm?

[sour wadi]

According to the drive exepert if it's just for gaming get a intel 670p

If not then the sn550 is good

[dusk turtle]

ONly because it's on sale for $100

[sour wadi]

If you can spend an extra 15$ there is pilot e

[dusk turtle]

SO when it goes off sale, no more lol

[worthy trench]

Is there a way to know which drive is my m.2?

From windows?

[sour wadi]

Crystaldiskinfo

[worthy trench]

theres nothing on the computer already?

[sour wadi]

No

Don't think task manager shows it

[worthy trench]

it doesnt

thanks

i got that thing

weird

so like my bios says M.2 slot is N/A

but when my computer boots up it sees it?

[vestal reef]

I haven't talked in here in a while but how good is a s20g as a secondary drive?

[minor sun]

tryna find info

[dusk turtle]

They're kinda slow

Even the 1 TB version

[minor sun]

seems to use HMB

god the lack of info is annoying

[dusk turtle]

Yeah

I'd avoid

But that's me

[vestal reef]

alr, works for me lol

got another suggestion since newegg is doing the cash back thing?

[minor sun]

don't know what controller, don't know what nand, don't know nand type, etc etc

mp33 maybe

[dusk turtle]

What size, 500 or 1 TB?

[vestal reef]

1tb would be nice

[dusk turtle]

Mushkin Pilot E, Intel 670P or SK Hynix P31 Gold then

[vestal reef]

just as a secondary drive?

[dusk turtle]

Secondary drive as in just storage?

Like games and stuff?

[minor sun]

mp33 is still fun

[dusk turtle]

SN550

[vestal reef]

precisely

[minor sun]

SN550 1tb price kinda wack considering mp33 1tb price
(110$ atm to 98$ atm)

[vestal reef]

true

[dusk turtle]

I mean for $100 just Pilot E lol

$109

[vestal reef]

well thanks for the advice, its been a while lol

[dusk turtle]

Prices are fairly close on 1 TB stuff so may as well just get the good stuff IMO

[narrow sorrel]

Any recommendations on software to clone a ssd?

[minor sun]

macrium reflect should do

[narrow sorrel]

Thanks

[pale bobcat]

Guys is installing a gen3 ssd on the bottom (temporary) and gen 4 ssd at the top part later on will affect gpu perf or eh

In b550 tomahawk

[minor sun]

no

bandwidth not shared

[pale bobcat]

How do I remove the OS in the gen 3 ssd

Like I want to put it on gen 4

[minor sun]

eh, easiest is wipe and re-do, next easiest is take gen 3 ssd out, clean install on gen 4 ssd, boot into gen 4 ssd, delete windows partition on gen 3 ssd

or I believe macrium reflect has a os transfer thing, might've been a different software tho

[pale bobcat]

Tyty

Gen4 1tb ssd is expensive af

Didn't see it coming

[minor sun]

uh

@pale bobcatdo you even have a reasonable use for gen 4 ssd

[pale bobcat]

Just for fun 😎

[minor sun]

uh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[pale bobcat]

Ok tbh

Just to know if its worth the price

[minor sun]

it's not

[pale bobcat]

More or less the same perf with gen3 ssds

???

[blazing musk]

Try no real world difference at all

[pale bobcat]

Lemme see some yt vids comparin it

[blazing musk]

https://youtu.be/2NKnPTkRY2w

[minor sun]

you want some charts? I think you want some charts

P31 is a PCIe 3.0 drive

P31 is bae

and I think we're all tired of my tom's hardware charts, so here's some anandtech charts

[pale bobcat]

Wtf is an intel optsne

[minor sun]

Even using PCIe Gen4, the 1TB 980 PRO is not able to establish a clear lead over the PCIe Gen3 drives and is a bit slower than the Phison E16 drive

[minor sun]

it's 3dxpoint meme
it's the equivalent of using ram as storage tbh

waiting for windshields to pop up at any moment now to preach 3dxpoint

[pale bobcat]

So am good with a gen3 teamgroup ssd

Its cheap doe

[minor sun]

which one

[pale bobcat]

wait

[minor sun]

mp34 neat, mp33 good