storage-devices

[sour wadi]

Yeah to my knowledge theres like 3 or 4 ans they are like 600$ x570s r sum

[pallid orchid]

laptops dont really have that tho

desktops do

[olive wadi]

you are correct my gamer

[rapid dagger]

B550 vision has thunderbolt

[sour wadi]

Isn't that like 400$ tho?

[pale frigate]

Geez I just looked at it, why on earth is a b550 board $400? Is it only because of the quadro qvl stuff?

[blazing musk]

Pro grade and thunderbolt

[sour wadi]

^

[rapid dagger]

People who need thunderbolt will pay for it

If I were to build pc for my dads I would have to use a gigabyte vision or asus proart prob just because my dad needs a thunderbolt port

[sour wadi]

yeah but ew

[edgy sail]

Anyone know of any good 1 tb ssd brands for 130 or less?

I was wondering if crucial, western digital, or team make decent ssds

Thanks!

[signal garden]

mp34, sn750 (if on sale for low price), pilot-e is what id recommend unless you mean a 2.5" then not sure

[plush wave]

The WD Blue M.2 1TB is under $100 right now

perfectly fine for most things

[sour wadi]

Ehhh pilot e better deal for like 105

[minor sun]

ya

even if you can ONLY spend 100$, no over, mp33 1tb is 98$

[stoic mountain]

p2 is 97 rn

[minor sun]

eh, basically same thing

[torpid adder]

SN550?

[minor sun]

sn550 is like 110$ still

pilot e territory

[torpid adder]

Even the Blue 3D is 110

[stoic mountain]

not nvme

[minor sun]

weird

[plush wave]

Interesting the Promo Email i got from Newegg at 3:30am this morning says its a "Shell Shocker Deal" for $94.99. Then when i click on it, it says $109.99. @ornate obsidian

[torpid adder]

Epic

Yeah deals don't exist

[sour wadi]

Lol

[torpid adder]

Though I got an EVGA 450 BR for 20 bucks under retail price which probably isn't too uncommon

[blazing musk]

You use promo code 93XQT82 for the deal

On the newegg front page hit "email deals" and it gives you the deals and codes of the day

[torpid adder]

I've never seen this before

[plush wave]

i see now, it is confusing because if you didnt see that you click on it and see that the "promotion price" is $109.99, so its a promo on a promo. Little promo inception going on

[blazing musk]

Yeah Newegg tends to do that more than I think they should, because then price scraping sites like pcpartpicker get confused

[pale frigate]

Hey does anyone really know why 2.5" sata SSD's aren't really any cheaper than most of their m.2 counterparts? It's not really all that important I was just a bit confused

[blazing musk]

Same problems as everything else mostly, demand shot through the roof

[sour wadi]

Tbh you won't realise the diff between nvme and sata unless you do lots of large file transfers

[pale frigate]

Ah ok, I had kinda wondered if I could find a decent 2.5" drive for better speeds than a HDD without paying as much as an m.2 and was just kinda confused lol

[sour wadi]

Pretty much any ssd will be faster than a hdd

[torpid adder]

Some sata drives come in both form factors and I checked WD Blue 3d is a whole 10 dollars cheaper in 2.5"

[sour wadi]

A lot of wd drivers have sata m.2 options which is like why not just get a sn550 or something at that point

[torpid adder]

The kind of drive you should get if going m.2 is NVMe ofc rather than sata but still

I'm still surrounded by devices that don't have m.2 slots anyways so the choice is easy :)

[pale frigate]

Yea, right now I'm just trying to figure out whether its worth $100 for a 1TB ssd over $60 for a 2TB HDD. I have an sn750 500 GB for a boot drive and any games I use frequently and was just looking for additional storage for less used programs or just file storage

[blazing musk]

SSD will get way faster boot times and game load times, HDD still good for mass storage or lower power games

I do at least one of both

[torpid adder]

2TB WD Blue would suffice

[pale frigate]

Alright, thanks for the help. I'm at the point now where that tariff adding $150 to what I had originally alloted for a gpu has my budget a lot tighter tthan intended so I'm just trying to make sure I'm making the most of what I'm spending for the last few things

[olive wadi]

Stop buying by brand

Here's my buying guide, follow the instructions at the top

[olive wadi]

p2 is poop now

it already had poop sustained write performance when it was TLC and now it's QLC

still fine for light consumer use but needs to be cheaper

[minor sun]

wait

when did p2 swap to qlc

all I saw is 500gb might be

did all of them change?

[pale frigate]

Out of curiosity, when do m.2's need heatsinks? There seems to be a lot of conflicting info, some have them, some don't, some people say you don't need them, other people say they're important.

[blazing musk]

Most people don't need them unless you're doing heavy sustained writes

Read operations use less power, which means less heat, so heatsinks mostly apply to people using the M.2 drive for media creation

[pale frigate]

Ah ok, so for video recording (OBS) and other miscellaneous stuff like just saving files or gaming off of them the heatsink isn't as important?

[sour wadi]

not really

[blazing musk]

Gaming definitely doesn't need it, that's mostly read ops. Video recording doesn't use as much bandwidth as you'd think.

[sour wadi]

i mean if theres one on your mobo or whatever use it

[pale frigate]

Yea it was more I wondered if I ever need another ssd in the future since the motherboard has one with a cover and the second doesn't

so in all honesty it was kinda an unimportant question for today just more a curiosity thing

[blazing musk]

The second slot usually gets passively cooled by the GPU fans

[pale frigate]

ohh that's actually a good point

[blazing musk]

The first slot is slightly more likely to heat up as a result

[pale frigate]

ah ok

[minor sun]

it also depends heavily on the drive

PCIe 4.0 drives generally want a heatsink

3.0 drives with some exceptions are fine without heatsink

[pale frigate]

so rule of thumb is probably if a gen 3 drive doesn't have a heatsink option it's probably fine?

[torpid adder]

Are there any good mSATA drives out there?

[minor sun]

gonna go through some drives with known heat issues

sx6000, hyperx rgb

the rest generally fine

there's another one but I don't remember what :(

[pale frigate]

alright, thanks

[minor sun]

@olive wadi what's the other pcie 3.0 drive that runs hawt

[torpid adder]

I remember someone said P1 got warm

[minor sun]

eh

[torpid adder]

I wonder who that was

[minor sun]

maybe

I thought it was like maybe ex900 or smth

oh found it

@torpid adder it's the P5

[torpid adder]

Oo

[olive wadi]

the P5 isn't even that hot lol, a lot of SSD reviews just don't bother to put a temperature probe on the thing

Samsungs 970 evo line is similar, the phoenix runs hot

the p5 is still underwhelmingly mediocre at its $130+ pricepoint

[torpid adder]

Do you even need a temp probe?

Drives have sensors built in don't they

[blazing musk]

Not always accurate

[minor sun]

Hm

@olive wadi btw do you know where I could find tjmax for controllers or if that exists?

[olive wadi]

They all have a ridiculous offset

[olive wadi]

no idea lol

[minor sun]

Hm

[torpid adder]

Hmm

[minor sun]

I just remember lili telling me 50c+ bad

[olive wadi]

typically 70C is where you see them throttle, as in sensor temp, which is offset by like 30C on some controllers

[minor sun]

Was trying to figure out why writes on my mp510 was low

[olive wadi]

lol no

[minor sun]

Smh

I still don't know why the drive has low writes in cdm

[olive wadi]

PSLC cache is lost to the void

[minor sun]

I just kinda ignore it now

Hm

Seems a bit quick

@olive wadi also, I thought pslc goes bye when the drive fills up?

(have same writes from like 30% filled and 70% filled

[olive wadi]

gets smaller

maybe your drive just sucks lol

[minor sun]

@olive wadi I know mp510 not great but it's somehow a common issue

[olive wadi]

epic e12 firmware problem moment?

have you tried updating firmware?

[minor sun]

@olive wadi multiple times, no updates

[olive wadi]

sad

[minor sun]

Oh well

Just makes me not like mp510 as much

[olive wadi]

faulty drive moment 😎

[minor sun]

@olive wadi there's a ton of reports about it on Corsair forums for some reason

[olive wadi]

sounds wack

[red jay]

ok

[steady talon]

I just shucked a sea gate backup plus hub 4tb and it’s so much faster now

[minor sun]

nice

[blazing musk]

Considering shucking my 10TB WD backup drive too, but it's so convenient having it plugged into my network...

[olive wadi]

https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide/blob/main/README.md @plush crag 😄

[upper quiver]

[onyx grove]

Is there a website where you can buy like a lot of units? (HDD or SSD)

[blazing musk]

Newegg business

If you plan on buying A LOT of units

[onyx grove]

Can I get link

[blazing musk]

https://www.neweggbusiness.com

[onyx grove]

Ah thank you

[blazing musk]

Often they offer bulk discounts too

[onyx grove]

Nice

I didn’t know about this only the phone app

[fast ore]

What can i do with a sonicwall continuous data protection system?

Can it integrate with my proxmox machine?

Its an older one

[bitter tree]

mp34, sn750, enhanced pilot-e or sabrent rocket

[sour wadi]

Depends on price on your region but if you're in the us pilot e for 1tb or 2tb if you're getting 500gb i think sn750 is cheaper

[dusk turtle]

Whatever is cheaper

[bitter tree]

all the same price

its a 2-3 dollar difference for some

[dusk turtle]

Pick one lol

All good

[sour wadi]

Pilot e imo

[olive wadi]

If they are all same price than SN750

[minor sun]

Or rocket

[olive wadi]

what

[minor sun]

Sabrent Rocket

[fathom siren]

Looking for an external hard drive to store games on for a laptop

Best bang for buck

At least a terabyte

[minor sun]

for biggie drives:
https://shucks.top/

[red jay]

did dis ever get considered for pin

[dim crest]

Hello folks, I am looking for an enclosure for a macbook SSD Model: MZ-JPV2560/0A4. Could anyone help point me in the right direction? Already bought one that didn't fit

[red jay]

Macbook SSD?

ugh

[keen lantern]

Yea you can't unless your putting it in a macbook. They have their own "M.2" slot

[dim crest]

Yeah, "ugh" seems like the internet's general consensus so far lol

[keen lantern]

Dunno if there is an adapter made out there. I know you can convert apples "M.2" slot to your standard M.2 slot dont know if you can go the other way

[red jay]

cucked pinout

i would just buy a new SSD unless there's data on it

[dim crest]

I was even looking into buying a used laptop and just putting it in there to get the data off

[red jay]

if there's data on it you're probably gonna have to go to apple store

[red jay]

Apple store should do it for you

[dim crest]

Ooo hadn't even considered that. Figured they'd just get mad that I took it apart. Thanks!

[keen lantern]

This looks like it would work. https://www.amazon.com/JZLL-2013-External-Enclosure-Interface/dp/B015SGGV8A

But yea Apple Store should be able to do it. Just make sure you bring another drive for them to transfer the data to, dunno what their policy is on that.

[dim crest]

Wild that's the best looking chance I've seen so far, thanks!

[dusk turtle]

Is it a Retina model or MacBook Air?

[dim crest]

Retina

[dusk turtle]

Kk

[keen lantern]

Not a problem. Started learning more about Macs recently cause of issues like this; lots of friends use MacBooks and I knew nothing about them and ofc it's a lot cheaper for me to do the upgrades for them instead of having Apple or some 3rd party do it.

[minor sun]

no because we like gdrive

:P

[dusk turtle]

Gdrive works on mobile and desktop, text only desktop

[red jay]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aZG4qrYP_8N3DEUf1bYTe0OfcMEz9PT8/view @minor sun

[red jay]

Do people still use Hard Disk Drives as Secondary Drives? Or for Gaming Drives?

[torpid adder]

The masses still use hard drives as boot devices

[rare harness]

I'm getting a 1 TB NVME for boot drive, but a 2 TB HDD to store all my other files.

[misty granite]

I hate HDD noise so much >_>
I refuse to use them in a desktop / laptop for that reason alone. I only use hard drives in centralized storage like NAS / server

[red jay]

Truue

I’ll invest in a 2tb sata 3 ssd down the road for my games and files

[misty granite]

I can't go back to not having centralized storage

It's so nice to have all my stuff in one place that's just accessible from any device I own.

[red jay]

Das coool

[misty granite]

I have a Synology DS918+ that I've setup a bunch of linuxserver.io Docker containers on using Docker Compose. So my Documents, Photos, Calendar and Contacts are in Nextcloud, eBooks are in Calibre and served via the Calibre Content Server and accessible as an OPDS catalog, my passwords, credit / debit cards, identities, etc are in a mariadb-compatible variant of bitwardenrs, a Rust implementation of Bitwarden server that's compatible with the official Bitwarden clients (without taking up 2 GB of RAM just sitting there like the official Bitwarden server does), videos and such are served via Plex, I'm looking into setting up a family recipe database, etc.

[minor sun]

@olive wadi been thinking about nand

What exactly makes the performance difference between various brands and models of nand? (Assuming same layer and density). Because wouldn't all the performance come from periph circuitry working with controller to make word lines go brrt for read/write? Therefore the quality each nand cell doesn't matter as long as they respond to changes in the word line? (And charge trap doing charge trap things)

[olive wadi]

manufacturing tolerances can effect how fast reading and programming a CFT can be done, and if the CFT are of shoddy quality consider performance loss due to ECC

[minor sun]

Interesting

[olive wadi]

that's just a guess im not actually an engineer'

go ask someone who's an engineer

[minor sun]

Would that have to do with tolerances in the width of the (forgot proper name) insulation layer

Hm

Might go ask newmaxx or smth

[torpid adder]

Can't live without the clatter of a frantic hard drive 😩

[open palm]

should I install google on a ssd? or leave it on a hdd

[minor sun]

What

[torpid adder]

Install google

The entirety of Google's servers

All of ot

[open palm]

bruh

[pale frigate]

My guess is he meant chrome?

[minor sun]

Lol

[open palm]

yes chrome

I'm a bit stupid

[torpid adder]

I keep browsers on my boot drive

Zoomy

[open palm]

I still need to switch my boot drive

[stoic mountain]

Definitely put chrome on the ssd lol

[cobalt pier]

I just realised I dont have a USB Memory stick with enough capacaty for windows. If I were to plug in a external optical drive with it on, would I be able do download it from there?

[sour wadi]

Yeah just any external storage device

[cobalt pier]

ok ty

[loud topaz]

hdd just died

[lost willow]

do I need 2 drives?

or can I get away with just a ssd

[signal garden]

depends on your needs

if youre really short on money, 1 ssd or 1 nvme is fine

[sour wadi]

I have dealt with just a 240gb ssd for the past 6 years

So it really depends on the user

[worn elm]

Hi,
I have an old laptop "HP Pavilion dv6-6190se". I want to upgrade the HDD to SSD. Please advise if any of the following is compatible with my upgrade
Crucial BX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5-Inch Internal SSD, up to 540 MB/s - CT1000BX500SSD1
or
SAMSUNG 870 EVO Series 2.5" 1TB SATA III V-NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-77E1T0B/AM

[blazing musk]

Either will work

[worn elm]

Thanks @blazing musk . Another quick question. Will this really increase the laptop performance. The laptop is really good machine just lacks the HDD reading/writing for me 😦

Crucial BX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5-Inch Internal SSD, up to 540 MB/s - CT1000BX500SSD1
or
SAMSUNG 870 EVO Series 2.5" 1TB SATA III V-NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-77E1T0B/AM
Which one is better. I can see $50 difference in the price.

[blazing musk]

What processor does your model have?

It should be an i-series processor, if it's a 2000 model it has a SATA III port, which runs much faster than the older SATA II. If you have the old version, then a better SSD won't make any difference over a cheap one.

[worn elm]

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2670QM CPU @ 2.20GHz, 2201 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

[blazing musk]

Good. You'd benefit from a fast SSD for sure.

Samsung tends to be good but overpriced. Let me find an alternative for you. USA?

[worn elm]

Canada

I am getting samsung for $154 and Crucial for $114

[blazing musk]

I'd go for that Crucial BX500, it's a decent drive and the price is right for the size

[worn elm]

Great!

they are both SATA - III?

[blazing musk]

Yes

It should cut your boot times from minutes down to seconds

You'll also get more battery life because it uses much less power

[worn elm]

Thats good and also, HDD 100% active all the times and have to wait for long to finish the task. This will also be fast?

$40 CAD difference. still Crucial is better. Because I am hearing is first time.

?

[blazing musk]

Absolutely there will be much faster program loading times as well

The samsung is technically better but not worth the price, since most laptops won't take full use of a SSD anyway

[worn elm]

Yes. got it.

I will order Crucial then

Last question. when I change the drive. How my windows license will be activated?

[blazing musk]

Do you have Windows 10?

[worn elm]

Yes windows 10 Pro

[blazing musk]

If so just sign in to a Microsoft account and it will save the serial number of your motherboard and tie it to the key

[worn elm]

Just found another deal on Crucial
Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD, up to 560 MB/s - CT1000MX500SSD1

$129

[blazing musk]

The MX500 is better than the BX, that's probably worth the difference in price

[worn elm]

ok

thats going to be the deal then

so the final thoughts just for comparison.
Samsung EVO $154, Crucial MX $129

[blazing musk]

Once you install the OS again, you can skip the activation and just sign into your account again, then it should automatically activate it

Both are roughly the same performance

Samsung just overcharges

[worn elm]

realiability

[blazing musk]

That's not really a factor in today's NAND, the SSD will easily outlive everything else in the PC

My boot drive SSD has been in my PC for over a year, had multiple installations of OS on it, and it still reports 100% health

[worn elm]

Ok. @blazing musk Thank you so much for your help. Thats my first time on this platform and I found it really helpful. Will you it frequent for sure as I always do those stuff 🙂

[blazing musk]

I'm often here, and there's plenty of other helpful people too. Look for people with the "Techie" tag.

[olive glade]

Ssd is better for laptop then hdd

[blazing musk]

Completely, in every possible way

Lighter, uses less power, WAY faster

Smaller often

[olive glade]

Also safer I'f you drop the laptop

[sour wadi]

Better for everything

[olive glade]

I was looking into 4tb ssd for my games, nevermind.

[blazing musk]

Too expensive? lol

[sour wadi]

That would be v expensive

You can get a Toshiba xc3 HDD 4tb for like 80$

[olive glade]

Well price is kinda even in line price vs gb as 1tb vs gb almost same

[sour wadi]

Not for 4tb ssds

Cheapest 4tb ssd is a samsung 870 qvo followed by a pilot e

[worn elm]

@blazing musk just to update that I ordered EVO 860 1 TB for $149 free shipping. compare to MX500 $129+ $7.99 shipping

[magic hawk]

Do NVME ssd’s make a difference between the traditional SATA ones

[sour wadi]

Yes but you won't notice the diff much unless you're doing lots of large file transfers, but also depends on the ssd but nvme drives are around the same price now anyway

[blazing musk]

It makes a decent difference when you're booting, but game loading times aren't affected at all between sata and nvme

[sour wadi]

^

[olive glade]

for a quick example although cheaper ssd out there

[sour wadi]

Btw you're comparing 2 sata ssds

M.2 is the form factor fyi

[olive glade]

oo didn't know that also just notice that

so i t's the same thing but without a giant case?

[winter lance]

yeah but i just bought a 1tb samsung M.2 from newegg for the same price about a month ago.

[silk trout]

i forgot which is better

ssd or hdd

ok it's ssd right?

what's a good ssd

like 1-2 tb

[blazing musk]

#storage-devices message

[olive wadi]

bx500 is not decent my gamer

borderline garbage tier depending on what capacity you get

@worn elm heres my ssd buying guide my gamer feel free to utilize it

[blazing musk]

Decent enough for many laptops at least

[olive wadi]

most garbage drives are just barely acceptable for light consumer use

SM2258xt+QLC is pretty ass though

the 960gb and below is TLC

1TB and up is QLC

SM2258xt+TLC is already pretty poopoo

dramless AHCI in general

[olive glade]

why not just a excel sheet for all this stuff

[olive wadi]

because overly formatted .txt is way cooler

[pale frigate]

Out of curiosity what set the Samsung 980 apart from other Dramless SSD's which are all in the budget tier? Is it just the difference in controller?

[olive wadi]

its faster that's why

that's the answer

samsung 980 uses a different controller that leans more heavily on HMB

leaning too heavily on HMB might have reliability implications but it doesn't really matter in this use case and it's a hypothetical thing

drive kind of sucks at it's $130ish msrp though or whatever they're selling it at, would be relevant at $105

[pale frigate]

Alright, I was just curious

[quasi pewter]

so i am supposed to send my 860 evo in for warranty service cause its driver isnt found on it? I didnt quite understand what happened and it was a while ago, i was just dealin using my intel ssd. Why cant Magician fix it?

[sour wadi]

I believe the mx500 is the decent one

[torpid adder]

WD Blue 3D is a nice drive, but I would avoid the m.2 version because it's gonna take up a slot you could have an NVMe drive installed in

Buy an NVMe drive if you have an NVMe capable slot

[olive glade]

any advice for 4tb ssd for games, i decided just to go that route speed loading up the game doesn't fully matter but for maybe open worlds

[upper quiver]

yeah, dont waste money on 4tb of ssd...

just get enough ssd for the open world games you want to play

that you think would benefit from ssd

as things stand, most games are designed to be disk optimized, with the knowledge that most games will be installed on HDDs, but of course with the new consoles being entirely ssd, and ssd becoming cheaper, thats beginning to change

but we arent at the point where 4tb of ssd is by any means cheap lol

[olive glade]

so 4tb hdd then?

[upper quiver]

i would think 1tb ssd for some of your games that need it would be good

and yeah, a 2 or 4tb hdd for the remainder of your games

what do you have windows installed on atm

512gb ssd?

[olive glade]

i'm more of a gog user, i downlaod games to my pc and keep them

titanfall2 i had to delete that and few other big games

[upper quiver]

whats that 830gb?

thats an odd number for a storage device

[olive glade]

hdd with family photoes, flac music, vidoes and everything else

it's a 1tb

[upper quiver]

huh

should be ~930GiB/"GB"

wonder where the other 100 went

oh well

[olive glade]

ya that is odd checking

o wait haha that was my and forgot to fix it

[upper quiver]

another massive HDD would be a good idea, and if your board had hold it, a 1TB nvme for some games is fine

[pallid orchid]

might be a very old ssd

[upper quiver]

a sata ssd would be just as good, but they the same price p much so

[pallid orchid]

size becomes smaller with use as cells die right?

[torpid adder]

Seagate

[olive glade]

[upper quiver]

lmaoooooo

[olive glade]

i was too lazy to fix it and forgot about it

[upper quiver]

i guess open disk manager and extend the partition lol

[olive glade]

never knew you can have a fat32 and NTFS file system on the same hard drive

[upper quiver]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R6V31K8
this one makes for a good secondary ssd

i assume your motherboard has a second M.2, ofc

of course, that 266GB of free ssd can hold a few games for now

[olive glade]

it will possibly i'm building one in hoping next month

[upper quiver]

new PC?

[olive glade]

will be

[upper quiver]

then you could just wait till then

use the ssd you have for the time being

i honestly cant really think of a game where disk speeds are an issue mid game, unless you have less than 16gb of ram

[olive glade]

my hdd right now is a 5600 rpm with 2tb of hdd because i forgot to check that

[upper quiver]

yeah thats an issue lmao

[blazing musk]

Wait 5600?

[upper quiver]

you def need that 💪 7200RPM 💪

[olive glade]

ya this is my internet speed shared by others in the house, because of this i slow down my downloads to 6Mbps, so my brother and mom can watch movies.

it's very noticeable if i don't cap it

which is one of the reasons i leave games on my pc

[upper quiver]

just download overnight

use all the bandwidth

[olive glade]

the new Microsoft flight took almost 2 straight days to download 😅 but my brother is awake at night, while my mom is awake during the day

[upper quiver]

yeah cuz ur throttling your download

remove the cap and it would finish overnight

[olive glade]

yes because they notice

[upper quiver]

is this your older or younger brother?

[olive glade]

older 32 or 33 😅 family stuff

[upper quiver]

oof, i was gonna say if he was younger, then you could just tell him to get tf to bed smh

be like, "im using the internet now"

thats what i do

well, did, im at college now with gigabit

am spoiled

[olive glade]

even my phone doesn't load up web pages 😅

[upper quiver]

then go to bed yourself

[olive glade]

i have a night shift 2:30pm - 11pm

[upper quiver]

2am-8am used to be game download time for me

but if your bro up all night thats an issue

[olive glade]

my brother goes to sleep at around 4-6am, not 100% sure though

[upper quiver]

i would think a 4TB hdd would be good for now if you really need the space

depending on the SSD you have now, i would wait on that

is this an old pos 512gb or a pretty new one

[olive glade]

ya was going to wait but since there are so many out there, i'm kinda cluless

This is my speed on phone while downloading without throttling

[blissful tundra]

Is the Samsung 980 gen 4 ssd worth it?

[dusk turtle]

No

You wont notice between gen 3 and 4 speeds

[blazing musk]

There's only a couple edge cases where gen 4 makes sense, like 8k video editing and massive 3D modeling projects

[blissful tundra]

So would it be worth it since I do alot of 3d modeling?

I'm also gonna be working alot with unity and VR

If that changes anything

[elder summit]

anyone have suggestions or know if I can add a SSD card to my dell studio xps 8000? I know it's ancient lol

[dusk turtle]

Any 2.5" sata ssd will work

[elder summit]

sweet thanks

oh looking up the 2.5" there are 2.5" U.2.. is that something I should look at as well as the 2.5" ?

[dusk turtle]

Just SATA, something like this https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-NAND-SATA-Internal/dp/B077SF8KMG

[elder summit]

ty looking now 🙂

[grave moth]

Guys is the wd black WD1003fzex 1Tb good?

[sour wadi]

Link?

[grave moth]

Check this out on @Newegg: WD Black 1TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD1003FZEX - OEM https://www.newegg.com/black-wd1003fzex-1tb/p/N82E16822236625?Item=N82E16822236625&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-22-236-625-_-04192021

There

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mwrYcf/seagate-barracuda-computer-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm008 something like this would suit better

[grave moth]

Is it faster than the wd black?

I already have a 1TB barracuda but it's almost full

[sour wadi]

Think they're the same pretty much but mb ask gamezoid they know storage stuff really well

[minor sun]

It's just 2tb for the same price

wd black a bit faster writes because cmr over smr but not that big a difference

[grave moth]

Aaaa I benefit a bit more from read

[minor sun]

So barracuda will do the same for more storage for the same price

[pale frigate]

the Seagate one it has 256MB of cache as compared to 64MB on the WD but I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes

[minor sun]

not better

[sour wadi]

This is what i thought but wanted to double check with someone a bit more knowledgeable

[minor sun]

bigger cache = trying to make up for SMR as compared to CMR

[pale frigate]

Ah ok, I didn't really know what it meant I just noticed a difference

[minor sun]

well, it's generally the reason for bigger cache, and I know the barracuda is SMR, and wd black should be CMR

[grave moth]

Ait I'm sold

[pale frigate]

Yea I just glanced at WD's web page and that black drive is cmr

[grave moth]

I believe this doesn't make much of a difference in gaming experience, right?

[minor sun]

Yes, it does not make a difference for consumers

[ivory flax]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-860-evo-1tb-internal-sata-solid-state-drive/6252149.p?skuId=6252149

wyt

[sour wadi]

Samsung is usually overpriced but it's good for that price

[minor sun]

It's refurb

So eh

[dusk turtle]

Refurb? You mean just reset the data counter or hope you get one with a low data write count? XD

[torpid adder]

Put best buy sticker on drive

Bam good as new

[blazing musk]

I've always wondered if I could do data recovery on one of those refurb drives and see what weird things I can find

I doubt they do a DoD level wipe

[torpid adder]

Probably not too much

Maybe

[pale frigate]

I would imagine it would be pretty easy to recover things from an SSD since file shredding software doesn't really work when the drives have wear leveling

[blazing musk]

There's programs that will do secure wipes on SSDs, they can ignore wear leveling and such and can do multiple passes

[pale frigate]

oh interesting I guess there would have to be I just knew standard file shredders didn't work

[sour wadi]

Only way to 100% wipe drive
https://c.tenor.com/hHMlCXdEfbEAAAAM/laptop-breaking.gif

[blazing musk]

That doesn't work, even if it's a HDD and the platter is shattered, if the DoJ want the data on it they can get it

[sour wadi]

Ohh yeah ik lol just messing XD

[torpid adder]

US government coverups

[pale frigate]

I mean you laugh my dad works from home and does taxes on his machine so we would take his old hard drives leave with a rare earth magnet stuck to them for about a week before opening up the drive and scoring and bending the platters. This is also how I incidentally found out that laptop hard drive platters are very brittle and will explode in your hand where old desktop drives you can bend the platters into a c

[sour wadi]

Oh damm

[pale frigate]

I mean it was definitely unnecessary but it gave him peace of mind and it was fun to do lol.

[sour wadi]

Fair lol

[blazing musk]

Yeah earth magnets are a good way to totally kill a drive and garble any and all data

[lost willow]

anyone heard about the ssd and hdd shortage?

[torpid adder]

If it's an extension of the global silicon shortage then yes

[lost willow]

no

because of a new crypto

and Samsung fab production, but mostly a new crypto

[blazing musk]

Wait, are people using SSDs to mine now??

[lost willow]

yep

its a new crypto called chia or something like that

[blazing musk]

Wow

[lost willow]

it uses proof of storage instead of proof of work

and in china most ssd's are out of stock

[blazing musk]

Proof of storage... now I've heard it all

[lost willow]

yep

[blazing musk]

Is it time to get a heatsink for my NVMe drive?

[lost willow]

look it up

and yes

probably

tbh

[torpid adder]

Guess I'll have to seek out the unpopular drives for mining on

[lost willow]

lol

[torpid adder]

sata drives?

[lost willow]

everything

sata m.2 hdd

everything

I bought my m.2 today cause I don't want to go broke

[blazing musk]

Had to look it up because this sounded just too weird but you're right
https://www.pcmag.com/news/chia-cryptocurrency-expected-to-cause-hard-drive-and-ssd-shortages

[lost willow]

Ikr

[torpid adder]

Sounds like something that would go for high capacity drives

[lost willow]

yeah, but it will probably effect low cap dives as well

sort of like the gpu shortage

[blazing musk]

It's not being traded yet but China is pretty much sold out

[lost willow]

even budget cards got taken even though only the better cards could be mined on

[torpid adder]

Budget cards were decent mining cards though

580s n such

[thorn stream]

can some help with combining 2 hard into 1

[blazing musk]

Like in a RAID volume? What drives?

[sour wadi]

Yeah in china lol some new cryptos use diskspace to store the Blockchain or something

[stuck geyser]

can anybody recommend a good external hard drive for laptop for gaming?? maybe 1tb or more

[pale frigate]

Hey could someone explain how HMB works? (Or just have a good video lol) I've heard a lot of things but it also seems to be kinda contradictory

[olive wadi]

it's fairly simple

it's another layer of caching through host ram

how it is used is SSD model dependent

[minor sun]

@pale frigate anandtech is nice
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12819/the-toshiba-rc100-ssd-review/2

half of that page is about HMB

[olive wadi]

the article talks about it mainly being used for holding the FTL mapping table

not all drives use it that way

[minor sun]

wack

I thought most drives do it that way

[olive wadi]

HMB=cache on host ram

[minor sun]

other than sn550 sharing it with slc iirc?

[olive wadi]

SN550 is the main one which won't store its metadata in HMB

mainly holds it in either sram or pslc

[minor sun]

hm

[olive wadi]

you can forget about all the possible functions for HMB and just simplify it to the point of being "another layer of cache through host memory"

it is NOT like samsungs turbowrite

[minor sun]

it's just not a useful description tho :P

[olive wadi]

how

describes exactly what it is lol

[minor sun]

Well, what it does in a ssd

for laymen's terms is more useful

[olive wadi]

it provides another layer of cache through host memory

that's about as laymens term as it gets

it's used by different drives to varying degrees differently

[minor sun]

let's just keep it this

[olive wadi]

thats what i just said

[minor sun]

yeye, you see the second bullet point?

useful bit

[olive wadi]

that's a use for it yep

not all drives use it that way, and to varying degrees

[pale frigate]

So I guess my next question would be is something like a teamgroup m34 worth the $20 more than the mp33 for 1Tb?

[olive wadi]

depends entirely on what you are using it for

[minor sun]

Pilot-E 1tb might be better pricing wise

mp34 price went a bit wack

[pale frigate]

I have a 500GB sn750 for boot and frequently used games I was looking to use a 1 tb ssd for all other files and games that are very big or I don't play as often

[cobalt pier]

My windows setup wont recognise my m.2

[minor sun]

check disk management

[short echo]

If you want just any NVME 1tb SSD, both my spouse and I have the Intel 665p and it's plenty good for loading/gaming so far. You could even bump up to a Sabrent Rocket for improved R/W speeds for $5-10 ($105-110 total, pre-tax), if you really want the bleeding edge of Gen 3. Granted, that's assuming you're not going PCIe Gen 4, which I didn't see in my scan of this conversation.

[minor sun]

eh, rocket hasn't really been 110$ for a while

[cobalt pier]

it doesnt appear there

[minor sun]

for the past year or so, sabrent rocket has been 130$ @short echo

unless you mean rocket q

which is different drive

@cobalt pier what about bios

[short echo]

$109.98 right now, yes Q variant.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HmmFf7/sabrent-rocket-q-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rktq-1tb

[nova aurora]

pilot-e is just a really good price for it's performance, I'm excited to see how fast it goes with the heatsink that came with my mobo

[cobalt pier]

doesnt appear anywhere

[minor sun]

yea rocket q isn't great for the price considering Pilot-E imo

tlc vs qlc

[minor sun]

sata or m.2

[nova aurora]

mhm, and the sequential read/write is faster on pilot-e anyways I believe

[cobalt pier]

m.2

[minor sun]

what drive and what motherboard

[pale frigate]

Ngl the Pilot E does look a bit rough but if its a good drive its a good drive lol

Appearances can be deceiving

[dusk turtle]

Drive appearance means nothing lol

[nova aurora]

I mean obv looks aren't a concern, and plus on top of that quite a few mid-top tier boards come with heatsinks anyways so

[minor sun]

It's a great drive

anyways

[nova aurora]

mine still hasn't shipped

a

the 1TB went out of stock earlier today so I'm glad I bought mine Sunday lol

[pale frigate]

OUCH just looked at amazon ship time "Usually ships within 1 to 2 months"

[nova aurora]

I got mine from newegg

[cobalt pier]

@minor sun ASRock B40m/ac and WD Blue 3D NAND 2280

[nova aurora]

on the newegg map it's apparently shipping from like, 9-10 miles away from my home so

said it would ship yesterday but nope

[minor sun]

b450m/ac or

b460?

[cobalt pier]

b40m/ac

[minor sun]

what

[nova aurora]

b40?

[cobalt pier]

oh b450

bruh

[nova aurora]

boutta say like

[minor sun]

ooooof

[nova aurora]

b40 board ins't a thing lol, but anyways yeah a b450 is

[minor sun]

the slot doesn't support SATA M.2 drives @cobalt pier

[short echo]

That's a "Big Oof" if ever I've seen one.

[minor sun]

next to tomahawk and hdv for example

[nova aurora]

considering mine is shipping from such a close location I'd hope it wouldn't take forever

[pale frigate]

Yea, and the only other place that has it for $109 is newegg where it's out of stock. Time to go back to sorting around through the tier list lol

[nova aurora]

it was legit in stock last night rip

[pale frigate]

From newegg you should be good I'd think, the 1-2 months is amazon

[nova aurora]

mhm

and it's legit like, super close so

real close by

so it better not take 1-2 months lmao

[blazing musk]

Drives are going to start selling out because of the new chia crypto that works on proof of space

[nova aurora]

mhm

[pale frigate]

Yea I guess is the Team MP34 1TB for $113 decent? it's in the same grouping on the tier list as the pilot e

[nova aurora]

I'd hope this channel wouldn't just become another #graphics-cards but I doubt it'll get that bad

[pale frigate]

I'd assume not since I'd think most people have old drives kicking around and such so people are less likely to end up without a bootable pc

[nova aurora]

I have legit 0 spare hardrives, and yet I have a spare GPU and CPU lol

[pale frigate]

Granted if Direct Storage launches on windows and has significant performance impacts that may change.

[nova aurora]

mhm

[minor sun]

mp34 is good

[rare harness]

I'm glad I got my Pilot-e 1 TB Monday. Yikes.

is getting the distinct feeling she grabbed the last possible good moment for her to build a PC anytime soon

[minor sun]

lel

[nova aurora]

yeah I got mine sunday so

very close call

[short echo]

I'm trying to restore/re-purpose a few old computers, and going back to HDDs for the first time in years is PAINFUL. I feel for anyone that needs to boot off of one these days, especially if it's an old one that's been laying around for a decade+.

[pale frigate]

Yea my old desktop has a 6 year old HDD in it and booting it up or even just trying to do anything on it is awful

Also anyone know how Team Mp34 and PNY XLR8 compare? they're practically the same price and both in the same group on the list

[minor sun]

@pale frigate which one...?

they call like all of these xlr8

[pale frigate]

Cs3030
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MW9NJSH/ref=twister_B07TCR1T75?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[minor sun]

hm

cs3030 may be better

[pale frigate]

works for me it's $3 cheaper and shipping is faster

[olive wadi]

or just use my epic guide

[short echo]

@olive wadi Totally fair, I've been out of the loop for a bit and didn't realize there was an SSD Tier List until the above conversation.

[azure lion]

hey is the sabrent 4.0 a good cpu

ssd*

[minor sun]

@azure lion for doing what?

[azure lion]

I game, stream sometimes video editing like quite alot actually so ye the 3 main things oh and school (i video edit for my friends all the time)

[minor sun]

Sooo basically nothing that needs a PCIe 4.0 SSD

Since pilot e is like backordered, meme nand suggestion here we go

Ick

Copied wrong link

@azure lion here, p31
https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Gold-PCIe-Internal/dp/B08DKB5LWY/

[azure lion]

but for 15$ more i can get the sabrent 4.0

which is like 1500mb/s so like 5 gb/s

[minor sun]

Bruh

@olive wadi got time to explain? My phone is literally at 3%

If not, basically, listed r/w is only seq

What matters for most things is rnd perf

[azure lion]

its 5000 read/ 4000 write if im not mistaken

*4400 write

[minor sun]

And that's why meme nand on p31 allows it to achieve things like this, beating out plenty of PCIe 4.0 drives

Prob got a chart with rocket 4 somewhere

[minor sun]

That's the rated sequential read/write

Oh hey, found a chart with p31 and rocket 4 plus

Rocket 4 plus is the one rated for 7000mb/s read, 6850mb/s write by the way

980 pro is like 7000/5000 iirc

[azure lion]

ye....

[minor sun]

Sn850 is rated for like 7000/6500 or smth

But look at game loading for example

Ez slap

[azure lion]

ye imma go with the gold

[minor sun]

Point is, very little things actually can leverage the seq performance on the PCIe 4.0 drives, and most application will use rnd perf

[heady raven]

unless you are specifically streaming very very very few actual data streams from the drive. Random performance, both read and write should (imo) be what you look for

[minor sun]

I'm guessing they mean gaming streaming, not like plex server streaming

[olive wadi]

epic

[olive wadi]

lol what

cringe e16 drive but wtf are you talking about lol

sequential performance is given in gigabytes per second not gigabits

[oak vapor]

Any good price m.2 nvme ssd?

[sour wadi]

What budget? And region but if us, pilot e by mushkin

[oak vapor]

pilot e is 124 on newegg

it was 110 the other day

I want it around 110

[sour wadi]

Oh dam

Did you check Amazon or something?

[oak vapor]

will in a few

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JHxbt6/mushkin-pilot-e-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mknssdpe1tb-d8

110 on Amazon according to pcpp

[oak vapor]

@sour wadi

[sour wadi]

Oof

Well it says newegg oos so i guess wait a few days and see if it comes back?

[minor sun]

Well, if you want perf, p31, if you want average, mp34/sn750, if you want budget, mp33/sn550

[oak vapor]

whats best for a boot drive and having games for it

I want 1tb

[sour wadi]

I looked on pcpp sn550 was like 105 💀

[minor sun]

Sn550 or mp33 will do just fine

Ick

[narrow sorrel]

I keep my games on two 1tb SN550s

[minor sun]

Sn550 should be like 95

But meh

Helix L works too

[sour wadi]

Yeah

[oak vapor]

why is pilot e better than helix L

[minor sun]

Better nand better controller, dram if that matters, and better performance because of that.

[oak vapor]

oh ok

I think i'll just wait for it on newegg

or if amazon ships faster soon

for $110

[minor sun]

It's not a big difference for real world perf

[sour wadi]

Mp33 is like 90 ntb

[opal dragon]

i impulse bought a pair of p31s yesterday after seeing those charts and they're here already 🙂

[sour wadi]

You bought 2 drives instead of 1?

[opal dragon]

i had 2 free m2 slots 🙂

980 pros will still probably do better for my actual work, but itll be nice to move games off it

[sour wadi]

But why buy 2 and not just twice the size in the one drive?

[opal dragon]

if there was a bigger size, i would have bought 2 of the bigger size

[sour wadi]

Ahh fair

[narrow sorrel]

Twice the size often times doesn't equal twice the cost, especially if you are looking at something over 1tb, usually goes over twice the cost unless there is a freak sale or something

[minor sun]

unless you're talking about drives like pilot e, where 2tb is cheaper than 2x1tb xD
(it was 110$ for 1tb, 215$ for 2tb)

[narrow sorrel]

Yeah, 's weird like that

[minor sun]

not weird, it's just pilot e itself is a deal

:D

[sour wadi]

A good few ssds are like that like sn550 and 750 iirc

[upper meadow]

Anyone got good recommendations for high capacity storage solutions? My gaming/gamedev pc is full on storage and i want to get a storage solution setup so that frequently used stuff is loaded up faster if that makes sense. I dont know much about storage other then OS should be on an ssd

My case is EvolvX and i have an asus z490-E strix motherboard if that matters.

[torpid adder]

Attachable drive bay for 3.5" hard drivws

Mostly done via USB, some have eSATA option

[upper meadow]

Is there a way to have it dynamically swap frequently used files between ssd and harddrive? I also have to keep the drives outside my case as i dont have room for the drive cages in my case so inside my pc needs to be all ssd

[torpid adder]

Not sure how automated you can get file swapping when it comes to external drives

But yeah drive bays mounted externally

[pale frigate]

Yea ik some NAS software does it but that's also a significantly bigger process to go through

And a nas doesn't seem like a practical option here either

[torpid adder]

I think you can combine a hard drive and an ssd into one volume and use it as a better SSHD

[upper meadow]

Interesting

Drivebay on newegg doesnt give me any results

[torpid adder]

External drive bay

Most of the results are expensive, garbage or just computer cases lol

[upper meadow]

Theres gotta be a more budget friendly option

[pale frigate]

Ik WD has like their standalone WD mybook things

Idk if its a super great option since idk how much capacity you need but thats a thing

[torpid adder]

https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rx304-apu3-35b/p/N82E16817182316R

Then there's these toaster looking pieces of trash lol the search results love these things https://www.newegg.com/startech-sdock2u33eb-drive-dock/p/N82E16834977541

[pale frigate]

lol

[pale frigate]

It's all about search engine optimization not having the best product, if anyone has shown us that its amazon

[torpid adder]

Lemme see what drive enclosure my friend got

Offline

@upper meadow https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZP2HFK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_PJ2QG7567YEJYQBDNZQT

[fallow crescent]

[azure thistle]

what drive should i get for games? rn im on a 1tb samsung 970 evo plus

the drive will solely be for games

[blazing musk]

#storage-devices message

[magic hawk]

Do i need to setup a new ssd in bios or can i just boot. The ssd is not going to replace a drive or anything

[olive wadi]

sad

[blazing musk]

Should just show up. You might need to initialize it in disk management in windows.

[nocturne valve]

Hi!
Until when the Seagate special? I need a backup drive, but i'm little low on money until next week... 😅

[minor sun]

Well, we can't really predict sales xD

@nocturne valve and if you're looking for backup, you could choose to do something like backblaze for unlimited backup

For tracking wd drive prices and such, this is nice
https://shucks.top/

[red jay]

is this good

[dusk turtle]

Gen 4 is not worth the price premium

[red jay]

its only 140 tho

[dusk turtle]

Just get a Mushkin Pilot E.

$110

Yo won't notice the difference between the two

and have an extra $30 in your pocket

WHen it comes to real world performance, not the Sequential speeds, they're about the same

[pale frigate]

If it's in stock anywhere other than amazon or if you're willing to wait 1-2 months

actually nevermind amazon no longer has a 1-2 month shipping estimate for it

[sour wadi]

Even then sn750 around that price too

[pale frigate]

SK Hynix P31 Gold I think is a bit cheaper than the sn750 while being faster last I looked, granted both pretty much saturate PCIe Gen 3

[dusk turtle]

P31 is like $130-140

[pale frigate]

Yea SN750 is $145 right now

[sour wadi]

Probs yeah idk what the price is tho atm

Oohh oof

[pale frigate]

Yea for $145 for the sn750 you might as well spend the $5 more for the rocket 4.0 lol. But I do think the sn750 prices ballooned because I don't remember them being this expensive

[sour wadi]

Yeah they used to be like 120 or something

[pale frigate]

Yea I'm guessing WD is just anticipating the shortage and increasing prices? or its just the fact that the sn750 is very recognizable and gamer looking compared to something like the p31 with a green pcb

[sour wadi]

Probs that yeah lol

The 2nd option that is what im guessing

Just because wd well known too

[pale frigate]

Yea because I mean personally if I didn't know anything I would be really sketched out by an ssd with a green pcb

[sour wadi]

Yep like it literally costs them tens of cents to make the pcb black

[pale frigate]

Yea, like I was really inclined to believe anything with a green pcb was essentially the equivalent of wish gpu's before I got advice from other people and did a lot more research on my own

[opal mesa]

So, I have a gaming laptop that I have been looking to upgrade the storage for quite some time now. currently, I have a 512gb SATA SSD inside the laptop, but I also have a 32gb Intel Optane stick taking up the included m.2 slot on the laptop (it came with the laptop), and it's main purpouse is to speed up the SATA ssd and such. I am considering removing the Intel Optane, and instead installing a 1tb m.2 SSD instead so I can have more storage and games, because 512 just ins't cutting it right now (I quite litterally have 40 gb left of storage with 6 games installed :'/ ). If I remove the intel Optane stick, will my laptop be damadged at all? or not work? or will it just slow down the SSD, like I assume it will?

[sour wadi]

Nope but I'd assume windows is installed on the m.2 so you would want to clone the drive/have to reinstall windows

[opal mesa]

thanks for the advice! I am pretty sure that the intel Optane I have though is specifically for speeding up the SSD, and doesn't have windows on it, given the fact that I only have one drive listed in my file explorer application, or am i just stupid?

[opal mesa]

pic btw

[pale frigate]

Yea actually that might not be as simple as plug and play if the optane is being used as a cache drive, also is the optane full length? since some I think sometimes Optane is smaller and your laptop might not have space for a standard 2280 drive

[sour wadi]

Ohh I'm not sure then

[opal mesa]

I have upgraded the Laptop before to throw 16bg ram into the system, and from what I saw the M.2 slot is big enough for a standard 2280 drive, just right now it is being populated by the smaller intel optane as a Cache drive. unfortunately enough, I was stupid enough not to take a picture, so I cant completely veryfy that without breaking the system down again.

[pale frigate]

You can use crucial's tool here if they have your laptop model it's a quick way to see if it is a full size slot since it will show you their 2280 drives
https://www.crucial.com/store/advisor

[opal mesa]

Thanks! ill check it out and get back to you once im done!

yes, my laptop says that it is compatible with 2280 drives, so If i were to upgrade to one, how would I go about doing so?

[dusk turtle]

I know this says CyberPower but it should work for your laptop. Intel RST is Intel RST https://support.cyberpowerpc.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014775073-How-do-I-disable-Intel-Optane-

[lost willow]

anyone seen ssd prices climb?

[lost willow]

lol that isn't Linus (the real one)

[opal mesa]

my laptop doesn't seem to have the intel rapid storage progarm installed, what does that mean?

[dusk turtle]

what laptop is it exactly with a model number pls

[opal mesa]

HP pavilion gaming 16.1 a0032dx, i think

although I did mess around in the bios and I found this, could this be where I disable intel optane?

you navigate through this folder |
V

[opal mesa]

this is when I select intel optane from this post

it says it is in "Cache" status,

[upper meadow]

https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-1tb-980/p/N82E16820147804?Item=N82E16820147804&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-147-804-_-04242021 is this a good drive for the price?

[blazing musk]

Not really. Samsung overcharges for their products a lot. Let me grab the buying guide we use a lot.

[blazing musk]

Courtesy of one of our regulars

Click the message to jump to it

[upper meadow]

I need to go all ssd storage as my case doesnt have room for hard drives. I got 2 m.2 slots and plenty of space for 2.5" sata ssd's

I'll take a look

[blazing musk]

Both nvme and sata drives are listed in there

[upper meadow]

So basically for example. Because i use my pc for gaming and workstation applications i would price shop the drives in the midrange category? Are the listed from best performance to worst for each category?

[blazing musk]

Correct. Midrange ones work great for gamers.
Any drive in a category will perform similar to another drive in the same category. There's little real world difference.

You can search each model name on pcpartpicker.com for a quick idea of what each one costs today

[upper meadow]

Also for when i get my new drives is there a way to get a clean install of windows without actually doing a clean install? I mostly want to clear up all the junk and old files on my pc but due to past negligence to organize my files its hard to know what i need and what i dont.

[blazing musk]

Yeah you can do a reset from settings

That'll erase everything though, so back up important stuff

[wanton vapor]

storage, am I right?

[olive wadi]

they are not in any particular order in a category

all drives within each category are within a rough ballpark of eachother performancewise

made some slight edits to the list recently

[bitter tree]

Teamgroup microsd cards good for rpi?

[blazing musk]

Which one exactly? You'll want one that's rated A1 at least, those have read and write speeds that are good for Android so it should work well for pi.

[bitter tree]

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-microsdhc/p/N82E16820313756?Item=N82E16820313756&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-313-756-_-04262021

[blazing musk]

15 MB write speed, 80 MB read. It would work in theory but if you're doing anything that writes data it might bottleneck.

[bitter tree]

Retropi

[blazing musk]

I'd go for this, faster reads and writes
Check this out on @Newegg: ADATA 32GB Premier microSDHC UHS-I / Class 10 V10 A1 Memory Card with SD Adapter, Speed Up to 100MB/s (AUSDH32GUICL10A1-RA1) https://www.newegg.com/adata-32gb-microsdhc/p/N82E16820215184

[bitter tree]

Is sandisk ultra plus 32gb good

[blazing musk]

Yes, that one is also rated A1

[bitter tree]

Ok

[pale frigate]

Depends on if you plan on having games on it? some games will add up to a lot of space * cough * cod * cough *

But for a lot of people 500gb is enough it just depends how you use it. Do you have a computer currently?

How big is GTA V? and the other indication could be how much storage are you using on your current pc?

Let me double check that because I don't think it's nearly that big

Steam said I need 98 GB when I just went to install it

Yea 180 GB sounds more like cod or warzone

Yea then I think you'll be fine with 500gb if you also have a hdd

I mean I run my laptop on just 500gb but I do have to shuffle things around occasionally when I download new games. Glad to say though as of a week from today I'll have built my new desktop and that will be a thing of the past

[minor sun]

More storage is always nicer though.

When it fits in the budget, bigger drive than 500gb.

[torpid adder]

moar

[minor sun]

Imo, most people will use more

Uhhhh

[pale frigate]

I wouldn't reccommend that configuration

[minor sun]

That's generally a pretty bad idea

[pale frigate]

You prevent yourself from ever expanding it

[minor sun]

256gb drives around the price of 512gb drives to start off, splitting them up is also very annoying to work with

500gb hdd also wacky pricing, like 20$ for a 500gb hdd when 2tb is 50$ yaknow

[pale frigate]

Also if you want guidance for help picking good nvme drives we have a guide, #storage-devices message

[minor sun]

Also do keep in mind, smaller drives generally have less slc cache, therefore less performance and endurance

God damn it windshields

Still no gdrive

Annoying >:(

[pale frigate]

I'

I'll upload it to gdrive lol

[torpid adder]

256gb drives are terrible price :(

[minor sun]

@pale frigate the annoying bit is he doesn't put it on gdrive so a new file gets sent every time something gets edited

:p

[pale frigate]

That's fair

I also just know that the .txt has to be downloaded on mobile

So I thought that was the other argument

[minor sun]

yes, and I'm on mobile >:(

[pale frigate]

Yea, I don't know why he so stubborn about a text file especially when you can do nice filtering and crap with google sheets or something

[olive wadi]

.TXT GOOD

[olive wadi]

goes out in the weekly memo

[pale frigate]

txt is so much less practical

[olive wadi]

this is correct

but i like it

[minor sun]

lol

[pale frigate]

I mean more power to you I guess lol

[olive wadi]

you do not get to choose how i feed you buying resources

[pale frigate]

lol

[olive wadi]

if you're doing that upload this

better to upload it to github though

its ready to be formatted in

[minor sun]

lol

https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide

[pale frigate]

oh yea you did a much better job with that than I would have

[upper quiver]

consoomer is mispelled

fyi

[silk trout]

kunsoomer

[olive wadi]

thats qubexs link

and it has a fair few mistakes in it

that were created when he formatted it

[olive wadi]

its not his

talking to qubex about fixing this

[minor sun]

Yeye

I'm not qubex

[pale frigate]

I wasn't sure if he used different usernames for other sites lol

[minor sun]

I use Mr1111 or some variation of it for 95% of platforms I'm on :P

[pale frigate]

That's fair the only reason my discord isn't the same username I use for everything else is because I was using discord for classes at one point

[olive wadi]

im windshields

gamezoid is my brand

[rancid pike]

notmr1111

[olive wadi]

mfw im still not techie after writing an ssd buying guide

[sour wadi]

Smh

[minor sun]

@olive wadi look in pinned lol

[minor sun]

yesmr1111

[olive wadi]

where

[minor sun]

(dif guy with somewhat of a guide, not techie)

[olive wadi]

@loud estuary looking at you pin and i disagree that HMB is required for a dramless drive to be good

NVME is the reason why these drives arent poop more than HMB

for example SN550 barely uses HMB, SN500 and SN520 dont at all

and all are strong performers

they get around it through having a larger than average controller integrated sram cache

splitting metadata between PSLC and SRAM

but basically the advantages of NVME outweigh the disadvantages of not having a dram cache, HMB helps but isnt critical

you mainly get a latency penalty and a small IO hit with the loss of a dram cache

but NVME is inheritly much lower latency than AHCI

[minor sun]

But in general NVMe drives without hmb would hurt, if they don't do things like slapping metadata in slc?

Relative to other NVMe drives.

[olive wadi]

SN500 and SN520 perform about on par with helix-l a60 etc

SN550 a bit better

[minor sun]

(what about those without those metadata in slc measures)

[olive wadi]

sn550 uses HMB as a victim cache between PSLC and SRAM according to newmaxx so it gets minimal use

[olive wadi]

dont think there are any NVME drives that do this besides the sn500 and sn520

the performance loss of metadata on nand is far more concerning than any superficial endurance loss

[minor sun]

Ah basically all NVMe drives have hmb/dram?

[olive wadi]

no the sn500 and sn520 have neither

[minor sun]

Yes, other than those

[olive wadi]

HMB is part of NVME spec

[minor sun]

I thought it was only NVMe 1.4 and beyond or whatever

[olive wadi]

its a cheap and easy way to give dramless drives a performance boosg

[minor sun]

I remember seeing one version stating hmb as a new feature

[olive wadi]

something like that, most of these dramless controllers e13t/sm2263xt have supported it since release though

[minor sun]

Aight

[olive wadi]

which is what most dramless nvme drives use

E13T or sm2263xt

the rest are generally in house solutions

sm2267xt on the way tho

[minor sun]

Fun

@olive wadi is it a PCIe 4.0 version or are they making another 980

[olive wadi]

sm2267xt is pcie 4.0

[minor sun]

@olive wadi I mean, like 7000/5500 rated seq pcie 4.0 or like 3500/3500 rated seq pcie 4.0

I dunno how you'd call them

980 pro vs 980 kinda thing

Phison E16 vs E18 kinda thing

[agile osprey]

100$ difference, very little noticeable in performance regards

[loud estuary]

Alright. So would you say it be fair to state that DRAM >> NVMe > HMB >>> DRAM-less?

@olive wadi

[minor sun]

@loud estuary I think windshields is saying there's no dramless NVMe drives, other than the SN520 and SN500, which do it quite well

[loud estuary]

Ahh, OK. Misunderstood all that then 🙂

[olive wadi]

HMB is a dram substitute, i'd still call a drive without a dedicated dram cache dramless since it's not on the drive itself

[olive wadi]

no i'd say that ssds are too complicated to overgeneralize it

you can have NVME+HMB that's outperformed by NVME+NO HMB

so

meh

[loud estuary]

well yes they are complicated, but the point is to summarize things into an easy to understand guide for anyone. Same reason why I didn't go into huge detail on controllers (and because I didn't want to extensively research it)

[olive wadi]

yes but there's no good way of easily summarizing this

because it can vary drastically drive to drive

the best way to tell if an ssd is good or not is to look at benchmarks within reviews

[old venture]

I too need to buy atorage for my laptop. 512gigs isn't enough. Thinking of going with crucial, WD blue or intel.

HDD is out of question cause it only supports an SSD for expandable storage

[torpid adder]

m.2 NVMe?

[old venture]

Ye🔥

I dont need super fast storage too. A decent, cheap m.2 nvme is what I have been searching for. That's why I came to those three options.

[dusk turtle]

1 tb?

What about mushkin pilot at 109?

Fast and relatively cheap.

[old venture]

It is not available on any other store other than Newegg. Also on newegg it is out of stock. And it would become expensive if I order it from here after all the taxes

[torpid adder]

where u at

[old venture]

India

[dusk turtle]

Ahhhh

Sn550 cheap there?

Sn750?

[old venture]

Yeah. For the price of mushkin pilot I can get a sn750 now but I still thinking of wd blue or crucial. They will fall right in budget

[dusk turtle]

Sn550 ok

Wd blue is sata

Not pcie

[old venture]

I think I will just wait for couple months. Nobody is going to deliver here anyway amidst lockdown.

Ok I will consider that.

Crucial p1 is what I am leaning towards.

[dusk turtle]

Its ok. As long as its not a p2. Not familiar with proces there butnthere are usually better drives for the same money.

[old venture]

If I get sn550 from newegg it will cost me as much as an sn750 on some other store as it is unavailable everywhere else.

Ok. Then crucial p1 it is. Will have to wait just a little more. I will buy it once my training is done.

[torpid adder]

get one of those usb to m.2 adapters to put your original drive in if you can't have both drives in the computer at once

[old venture]

No I have one expandable storage slot available in my laptop. That wont be a problem

[torpid adder]

nice

[olive wadi]

crucial p1 smells but ok gamer

[olive wadi]

also like your thing about drives without dram being slower as they fill up

that isn't really a thing with dramless drives lol

or rather, it's uncorrelated to the lack of dram cache

performance degradation as the drive fills is a lot more to do with garbage collection and how the PSLC cache is handled

[empty sage]

hello

[granite ore]

I need a decent 1tb m.2 with dram that isnt 150$

[dusk turtle]

Mushkin Pilot E, $114 RN

[granite ore]

Thanks, trying to find something good enough for my guy building a low to mid range pc

[dusk turtle]

It's one of the best for the money

[olive wadi]

why does it specifically having dram matter

this comes up a lot and i always assume it's just people who saw the LTT dram video

[granite ore]

with no clear answer on whether having dram or not is better, i find it doesn't hurt anything to get a drive that has it, or in this case, my buddy. i have the sn550 as a secondary, its nice. it's also 110. 5$ more you can get a drive that has a dram cache. nothing wrong with paying a little extra

[torpid adder]

are there any nvme non-dram drives that don't use hmb

[granite ore]

no it might not have the same controller

but he will need it to last, and longevity is the main argument when it comes to dram

[narrow sorrel]

The SN500 and SN520 don't I believe

[torpid adder]

hmm

[olive wadi]

yes

[olive wadi]

It is better, but not having it isn't the end of the world especially in a budget build.

You take a hit in small IO performance and that's it

[granite ore]

well like i said

5$ isn't really a bad thing

[ivory flax]

@granite ore i think best buy has some deals for 109

[olive wadi]

Can get a helix-L for $93

[wintry flame]

@olive wadi @torpid adder

[olive wadi]

sup

[torpid adder]

hello

[buoyant frigate]

Is that sn850 for ~170$ a good deal

[mystic junco]

atm windows doesn't detect my hard drive bc i need to initialize the disk

which is preferable between mbr and gpt?

(it's a 2tb seagate barracuda)

[pallid orchid]

GPT

MBR is VERY outdated

[mystic junco]

okay

should I assign it the given drive letter or mount in the empty NTFS folder?

not sure what the latter means unfortunately

[pallid orchid]

Drive letter

[mystic junco]

this good then?

fresh hdd so it doesn't have anything on it to compress

[fierce quail]

Can someone halp me plz My PC's perfectly functioning m.2 stopped functioning after I tried to add a new m.2 into the second slot on my asus z390a motherboard, the m.2s are a crucial p2 2280 and an intel 660p 1tb

[dusk turtle]

Stop spamming this in all the channels, I'm trying to help you but you need to answer my question lol

[fierce quail]

Oh sorry lol

They were a intel 660p 1tb

And crucial p2 2280 500gb

I tried putting the crucial one in the second slot away from the motherboard and now my boot ssd, near the cpu is not even being detected