storage-devices

[dense merlin]

There's only three people here actually affiliated with newegg and they chat maybe once every three months in #general-chat for like 30 seconds

[humble marsh]

Thank you, I appreciate the input. I wasn't necessarily looking for direct help through here more of just what options I do have if anyone's been in a similar boat. I imagine I can't be the only one who's had a Samsung SSD die that was purchased through Newegg so I figure someone out there may have had an idea of what to do.

Thanks again.

[small carbon]

NE warranty was maybe 30days or so? Samsung just passing the work is part of it.

[open gazelle]

Samsung is one of the worst RMA companies there are. In every email you need to threaten that you will take it up to a government protection agency of wherever you live that fines companies for being dumb (ideally say that if it isnt resolved by next email you'll go do it). If they dont comply then you need to act on what you said and goto said government agency.

Say ur country and someone else can chime in for whatever government agency in your area handles that.

At best the agency will make you get an RMA. At worst a refund (or best depending on your view).

Will take some time tho

[blazing musk]

Samsung drives dying is nothing new. There's been, what, 3 different firmware versions that had a risk of several different drives offing themselves?

[small steeple]

Good price?
https://www.newegg.com/kingspec-4tb-xg-7000-series/p/0D9-000D-00175?Item=9SIB1V8K0E4237

[blazing musk]

They'll do anything they can to avoid honoring their warranty

[blazing musk]

Not bad for a drive of that spec

[rich wadi]

I bought this for 100 a month ago and havent used it, im curious if itll affect performance with my 7800xt im getting soon since from what ive seen its specs are kinda mid (i dont really know how itd affect things) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGZ9TW/crucial-p3-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p3pssd8

[blazing musk]

Generally the choice of SSD has zero impact on your gaming

SATA drives or gen 5, you'll get the same fps, and only slightly better load times on higher end drives.

[rich wadi]

Alright, i didnt know so i was just curious if it did have any

How much of an impact does it have on general performance?

Say, download time

[blazing musk]

Zero

The Internet connection is usually the bottleneck there

Or if you have multi gig connections, the CPU

[rich wadi]

Appreciate it

[torn lion]

I can't remember the sizes of most games n alrdy ordered 1tb n don't plan on switching but is there anybody that has more then 2tb and if so why

[blazing musk]

I have 3TB on my computer because I store lots of files, plus I install lots of mods. I have about 1TB of mods alone.

[torn lion]

😭

No way

[blazing musk]

At least I did before I finally deleted Skyrim and freed up over 200GB

I've also got 14TB on a home server for backups, movies, game installers, etc

That's about half full

I am in no way a normal user lol

[worn trail]

I have 2.5TB, 1tb for OS and games, 1tb for work applications and such, 500gb for cold storage.

[brisk dome]

1tb nvme for OS/photo & video editing/games
2x 1tb sata for more games, plus video clip storage

I could get by with 2tb but 3 is more comfortable

I have another 1tb nvme but no motherboard slot for it :(

& I have a 5tb HDD but that's just cold storage; PC & phone backup and unedited RAW photos

[blazing musk]

If you have any PCIe x16 slots open you can use a carrier (adapter) card. I used to use one on my old FX system, it didn't have any M.2 slots and it was the first gen board to allow booting from nvme.

[brisk dome]

Yeah my system is really tight so I dont think I can fit an adapter

[blazing musk]

They're super low profile, only as tall as the M.2 drive is wide

You can also run a riser worst case

[brisk dome]

I have one of those short pcie (probably not x16 I think) slot open but not sure if the cooler would be in the way or not. Maybe I'll look into it more

Pretty sure the only not filled/covered slot is an x1

I may upgrade my motherboard in the future, kinda cheaped out on this one

[blazing musk]

Does it support bifurcation

I have a really jank way if so lol

Covered slots aren't an issue with a riser also

You can always get one of those mining risers since they're dirt cheap after the crash

[brisk dome]

I think I could uncover a slot but would need to remove a fan or 2

Those fans under the GPU cover the second x16 pcie slot

Probably only the left of the 2 bottom fans actually

[quiet gust]

Green mobo

[torpid adder]

Low key wanna build with an old super micro board in the case I took parts out of

[brisk dome]

Ik a little cursed but it's the Asus Commercial line

A520

I got a good sale

Though if I could redo the build I'd definitely try and grab a board with more than 1 nvne slot

[formal tusk]

HAHA

https://mytabletguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/MSI-SPATIUM-M570-PRO-FROZR.jpg

HAHAHAHA

https://mytabletguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/MSI-Unveils-SPATIUM-M570-PRO-FROZR-PCIe-5.0-SSD.jpeg

Well then. That would work.

[manic dagger]

I now have to check m2 clearance with my case lmao

[worn trail]

Lmfao.

That said it is pretty cool looking.

[blazing musk]

There's no way that's fitting in the top slot with an air cooler

But hey at least the passthrough fans on the GPU have a purpose

[sour wadi]

Don't forget that's probably gonna touch the backplate of your gpu either way if it's in the top slot

Which is exactly what you want

[blazing musk]

Too bad there's no motherboards with gen 5 slots on the bottom

Signal integrity issues and all that

[worn trail]

surprised they didn't attach a fan to the side of that xD

[formal tusk]

You could

80mm fan on an 80mm ssd heatsink

[torpid adder]

They just have to integrate SSDs now

SSDPU

CPSSD

[silent carbon]

Hey there, got offered a Acer Predator GM7000 4tb for 250 cad... did some research and most reviews said it was good. Any thoughts on the price and if its a good deal?

[formal tusk]

That sounds quite good if you need 4tb

Iirc it's kinda close to P41 Platinum performance

Going rate to about 180-ish usd, which is where 4tb was a few months ago

It sounds good to me tbh

Provided the seller is ofc legit

I think good gen 4 4tb is now well north of 200 usd if I'm not mistaken

XS70 I think was something like 240 iirc

[silent carbon]

Ah ok. I have noticed prices go up lately

The model i mentioned is around 300 to 450 cad here 💀💀

[formal tusk]

That sounds about right lmao

[silent carbon]

so i bought the drive and now iim having trouble formatting it. it says "device not ready" when i try to initialize the drive. i triple checked that it was working properly but maybe its just me.... or the hardware itself. could anyone help me out please?

[formal tusk]

I've seen that before but can't remember the fix

maybe reseat the ssd?

[cloud kiln]

how do i search for the cheapest 2.5" ssds in jordan with dram cache lmao (country between isreal and saudi arabia)

someone needs a 1tb boot drive ideally

to replace their hdd boot on their laptop

no m.2 slot for ssd

[open gazelle]

Sort by lowest price in retailers, then use gSheet list to get component quality.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4

[cloud kiln]

ok they've found one that they were happy with with a cheap enough price

[formal tusk]

I was really happy

I mean lolwat

No that wasn't me

[cloud kiln]

lmao

also the english language sucks, i had to put 2 withs in my sentence

they were happy with their selection, and with a cheap enough price

[formal tusk]

Just shows how much you needed extra emphasis

I understood your brain so well I didn't even notice it so there's that

[turbid crater]

can i install a gen 4 ssd on a gen 3 m.2?

i have a gigabyte b550 elite mobo with a main gen 4 m.2 and a secondary gen 3 m.2

[dense merlin]

Yes but it will run at gen 3 speeds

Which is fine

[turbid crater]

will it degrade perf if both m.2 are used?

[blazing musk]

No, they don't share any bandwidth

[turbid crater]

ty

should i get the pny or crusial p3 2tb?

[blazing musk]

The P3 is pretty bad, the P3 Plus is ok

Which model PNY?

[turbid crater]

cs1030

[blazing musk]

Are you looking at 2TB drives?

If yes there's this https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-2tb-helix-l/p/N82E16820992020

[turbid crater]

yes how about wd blue sn580?

[blazing musk]

580 or 850?

I don't think there is a SN580 so you probably mean the SN850, which is a top tier drive recommended for high end 8k video editing, well beyond what any gamer needs.

[turbid crater]

https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-2tb-blue-sn570-nvme/p/N82E16820250253

[blazing musk]

That's a good one but not worth the extra $30 over the Mushkin drive

[turbid crater]

ty

so i could use mushsin or the wd in my gen 3 m.2 drive

[blazing musk]

Yep

[turbid crater]

i probably get wd i got a 100usd gift card

[dense merlin]

Get the gm7000

Far better than the sn570

Or mp44l, p41 plus, ud90

[small carbon]

BAd techie, lol.
https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-SN580-Internal-Solid/dp/B0C8XMH264

[turbid crater]

how about sn770

[small carbon]

Even better, but watchout if it's currently overpriced. Sn770 is good, but might be similar price to even higher tiered stuff.

[blazing musk]

Weird, it didn't pop up when I searched it on pcpp

[small carbon]

They slackin - I just recall it released a good 3+ months ago.

[blazing musk]

If you only have a gen 3 slot then a gen 4 drive will not provide any extra benefit unless the controller itself has better random read/write performance, which they typically don't have any noticeable difference there.

That said it's a good drive, A tier.

[sour wadi]

Probably one of the most overpriced a tier drives though

[blazing musk]

Surprisingly not right now. Only $133 for 2TB when we're at about $60 per TB on cheaper good drives right now.

[sour wadi]

Hmm wow that's unlike the sn7xx lineup

[robust river]

Yo friends

not sure if yall remember me

but i come by with hella annoying questions and you legends always help tremendously

buddy of mine is having a weird problem, he was updating fortnite and pc froze, now when he turns on the PC it is showing his brother's old profile. When he tried to log into that, an error pops up. Havent seen something like this before. its a windows problem i think but maybe a storage issue?

Any ideas

by any chance ;w;

im gonna go run over there and see if any of the drives are disconnected/failed

maybe its running windows on a different drive but i dont rmr if i cloned his

[worn trail]

So I recently reinstalled windows with all drives still plugged into my pc. Is it possible that my windows was installed on drive 1 but somehow only boots on drive 2?

[blazing musk]

Windows is pretty random and quirky, sometimes it'll install the bootloader on a different drive from the one you selected, just to be different you know?

[worn trail]

Anyway I can fix that without needing to reinstall windows....?

I know I didn't install it on my Sata SSD because it only has 500GB and when installing I selected my NVMe with 1GB.

[blazing musk]

Yes but it's complicated, and I don't have time to walk you through it right now. The short version is you have to boot the install USB and load up cmd in that and force it to move the bootloader through that.

[worn trail]

gotcha.

[worn trail]

Would simply reinstalling windows with just my SSD of choice in my system be a quicker way to fix this?

[robust river]

Hey is anyone around

Got such a weird problem

Windows 11 suddenly not being recognized on an m.2 drive. I unplugged all other drives and am reading the partitions using installation media.

And the system partitions are all theres and stuff but the installation just isnt being read or detected at all

[robust river]

Any chance youre around to save the day 😭

[pliant basalt]

I have a seagate external 2tb drive https://www.seagate.com/support/external-hard-drives/portable-hard-drives/backup-plus-ultra-touch/ and when i got my new computer and i go to plug it in it works one time and then now its not letting me open any of the storage and it beeps/makes noise when plugged in is it the cord is broken or the whole drive?

[sour wadi]

So if you did the windows install with more than one drive in the pc, the windows boot loader almost definitely got thrown onto a different drive (it's a super annoying issue but it's random what drive the bootloader goes onto)

[worn trail]

Does the bootloader being on a different SSD cause any problems or is it just a minor thing?

[sour wadi]

uh well it could be slower and its awkward in the fact that you have the OS practically split across 2 drives

[blazing musk]

The only real issue is if you remove the drive with the bootloader on it Windows stops booting

And the bootloader partition can take a couple hundred MB of space

[worn trail]

it's that big?

[blazing musk]

Windows likes to allocate between 100MB and 400MB for the bootloader, even though it's really only about 50MB

That's more of a "just in case" thing and you can shrink down the size of the partition manually after installation if you REALLY need that space

[worn trail]

So long as I keep both the windows and the bootloader drive installed then I have no issues?

tbh my boot times feel the same

[blazing musk]

It's a really small amount of data being loaded so even if your bootloader got installed to a HDD it won't noticeably affect your boot times

[worn trail]

okay, just gonna leave it be then.

since this new windows install it appears I have not experienced the random crashes.

If my PC stays on till Sunday then I think the issue is likely gone.

[pliant basalt]

Do you know anything about usb external drives i need to figure out if the corc is broken or not or if i have to dump the drive

[blazing musk]

The surefire way to know if the drive is dead is to take it out of the enclosure and use a different one, or some other method like putting it in your PC.

Be aware that if you got the drive suspiciously cheap it may be a fake

Which you'll know immediately upon opening it

[pliant basalt]

I got it from my unlce

it was working before my new laptop and i plug it in it detects something doesnt let me go into the storage and it just makes a noise

its a seagate drive

if you scroll up youll see the link

[robust river]

Hey bro

Soooo after working a lot and removing all drives i found the one that has windows 11, and tried fixing the boot files, blocked by write protection

Im pretty sure this means there are bad sectors and i have no choice but to reset

[robust river]

I am running a 970 evo plus. I even just went to try erasing it, formatting, i cant even do that. So i cant even reinstall windows at all.

[blazing musk]

No that's not what that means at all. It's protected so malware can't modify the boot files.

[robust river]

i see

sup

i tried everything i could find cant even format the thing so idk whats up

[blazing musk]

You should be able to erase any partition you want from the install disk

[robust river]

correct, i cannot

pretttyyyyy sure its broken

[blazing musk]

Ok, were you going to wipe everything on the target disk?

[robust river]

yes

[blazing musk]

Easy fix then

[robust river]

how so :O

[blazing musk]

In the installer you'll be able to open a command window

iirc the button combo is shift+f11 but I'll double check

shift+f10 I was close

And you can press that on the install stage where it's asking where to install windows

Once that's open

diskpart list disk
And tell me what it says

[robust river]

it was just 2 disks

my installation usb and the nvme

im not at the computer now im at home

but would love to know what you had in mind>?

[blazing musk]

Once you know the disk number you can simply
select disk X clean
And it's like a brand new disk

And then
convert gpt
to tell it to initialize the disk, then you can close cmd

At which point you can continue the Windows installation

[robust river]

yes that didnt work

i also tried cleaning from bios

failed

[blazing musk]

Whoa really?

[robust river]

format failed

[blazing musk]

That's highly unusual

[robust river]

yeah idk man ive never seen it before

its like completely locked up

but it can be read entirely i beleive

[blazing musk]

Wait... you said it was a samsung drive?

[robust river]

i have another drive coming in the mail

yes

i beleive i am aware of what ur gonna say

[blazing musk]

[robust river]

how some are screwe dup

[blazing musk]

Firmware issues yeah

[robust river]

@blazing musk thanks for hittin me up

when the new drive comes in ill lyk

gonna do fresh windows install and see what I can do with the corrupt drive

[unborn scarab]

I have a possibly dead (old) SSD, or possibly just a corrupted Windows on the (old) SSD. If I replace the SSD with a new one, install Windows 10 with a USB, boot from the new SSD with the old SSD reconnected, could I then pull files off of the old SSD? Or would this risk the new SSD?

[brisk dome]

Shouldn't pose a risk unless there's a virus/malware on the old drive.

[small carbon]

temporarily unplug old ssd until windows is installed. This prevents a couple quirks of windows when 2+ drives are hooked up during windows install.

[blazing musk]

Indeed, windows might try to install it's bootloader to the existing EFS partition

[jade ocean]

Got a question is it best to install windows on M2 drive? Is there better performance when OS is on m2 then running applications?

Or is it really just the same when considering its use is for storage

Running applications from the m2 drive without OS installed

[blazing musk]

Any SSD will have Windows booting in seconds

[brisk dome]

I put Windows, productivity/work/applications/etc, and my most modern/intensive games on my Nvme

Everything else goes on sata ssds

Though nowadays nvme drives are often same price or cheaper than sata

[brazen needle]

Any recommendations for a good software to use when cloning? I'm upgrading to a bigger SSD

[formal tusk]

Macrium reflect if you can still find the free edition

[brazen needle]

Is there much of a difference between the Workstation Trial and the 8 Home Trial?

[blazing musk]

Yes, they make you sign up for the workstation one but not the home

[brazen needle]

Thanks guys. I'll get to work right away.

[unborn scarab]

So I tried to boot the new Sata SSD with the fresh install of windows with the old (possibly corrupted) M.2 SSD that had windows on it, and after booting it’s suck on “Preparing Automatic Repair” on the BIOS screen. So I disabled the old M.2 SSD from the boot menu, tried to boot from the new Sata SSD, and it’s stuck on Preparing Automatic Repairs again, it stopped, started to just do the plain spin on the BIOS, and nothing seemed to be happening so my friend decided to power it down and remove the old M.2 SSD. Now with only the new Sata SSD and the clean windows install won’t boot. What the hell happened

The new SSD with the fresh windows install was working perfectly fine before we tried booting with the old M.2 SSD installed. We tried to boot with the new Sata SSD and a USB with Windows 10 installer and we can’t even get past the BIOS loading screen when trying to boot from the USB to repair/reinstall Windows 10.

[blazing musk]

Windows being Windows

The bootloader is super finicky

[unborn scarab]

We’re returning the new SSD because we bought it yesterday and just trying to install Windows 10 fresh on it and not touch the old M.2 until we can find somewhere to extract the personal files. Did booting with the old m.2 SSD really mess with the new Sata SSD’s Windows??

I literally just cannot fathom what happened

[blazing musk]

Yes, it can absolutely do that

[unborn scarab]

People here told me it wouldn’t

😀

I wasn’t going to try to boot with the old SSD but my friend decided they wanted their files

[blazing musk]

If the bios tried to load the old bootloader on the corrupt drive, it would try to locate and boot the old windows while updating all bootloaders found on the system, effectively destroying the new bootloader on the process because Windows things.

What you can do is follow these steps to repair the bootloader, and format the old bootloader while you're in diskpart so it doesn't even try to do anything.
https://recoverhdd.com/blog/how-to-repair-boot-record-mbr-windows-guide.html

[unborn scarab]

Could I clear the new SSD to reinstall a clean Windows without jeopardizing the integrity of my other computers?

[blazing musk]

You could reinstall, sure

[unborn scarab]

How would I do that?

I tried booting from a USB to reinstall windows with the new SSD and it just kept spiraling on BIOS

[blazing musk]

The way I would do it is go into the installer with the old drive installed, delete the old bootloader partition, then shut down, switch drives, and wipe the new drive before installing again

[blazing musk]

You need to tell the bios what drive to boot from

Usually the boot select hotkey is F9, F10, or F11, you'd mash that as soon as the keyboard turns on

And you can select the USB from the list

Esc might bring up a menu too

[unborn scarab]

I did, and I even selected to remove the new SSD from the Boot menu

[unborn scarab]

I’m just going to return the new SSD to get a new one, and I’ll install a clean Windows 10. I won’t do it now because I’m not risking it again, but would disabling the old SSD from the boot menu mean that it won’t interfere and mess with the new SSD so that I can access it and extract my files? at which point I’ll wipe the SSD.

Or do I also have the option to use an external SSD and I could copy files from the old SSD using Command Prompt in recovery mode? @blazing musk

[blazing musk]

That should be enough to prevent this from happening again

[unborn scarab]

Okay, thank you for your help

[copper sable]

Hi, I just bought a used pc and its got hdd, sata, and nvme. Im trying to get rid of everything but the M.2 The computer has been completely reset so apart from windows 11 i believe, theres no other data. Im looking to see if someone could guide me on how to move over all data to the m.2 and get rid of the other storage. Iv've tried youtube but none of the videos actually help and they make it confusing. If you are interested in helping someone out, DM me. Thank you!

[sour wadi]

Should be a simple copy paste in file explorer??

[copper sable]

I believe so, I’m not too sure. All YouTubers tell you to download so sketchy data transfer app.

[sour wadi]

If you're trying to transfer windows itself from one drive to another you'd need an app like marcium reflect (not sketchy)

Otherwise just copy paste files

[copper sable]

The computer is fresh. Windows should be the only thing on it.

[copper sable]

Do I need a usb of some sort or literally just transfer everything to the m.2 then remove the SATA and HDD physically?

[sour wadi]

No usb just drag and drop from the d/e drive to c drive wherever you want the files

C being your main drive(one with windows)

[copper sable]

So I would need to make the m.2 my main drive and then move over windows onto it from another drive?

[sour wadi]

Ngl I'm really confused by what you're saying, is windows not already on the m.2?

[sour wadi]

If windows isn't on the m.2 ^^

[copper sable]

It’s on the SATA

[sour wadi]

Here's a good guide you'll need to use a program like macrium reflect to move it to the m.2
https://youtu.be/3RgI2kGCvjM

[copper sable]

Sweet. Thank you!

[serene laurel]

I am looking to add m.2/nvme SSDs to my old server computer. It is an HP Z420 workstation with a Xeon E5-1620 CPU. It'll be running some form of debian linux.

Looking for a reliable pcie expansion card with at least one m.2 slot on it, and a reliable SSD (speed isn't critical). Any responses appreciated.

Please ping if you respond as I don't usually check this channel :)

[blazing musk]

Honestly just about any adapter card works because it doesn't have to do anything but link pins to pins

Double check that the bios on that Z420 supports nvme booting if you plan to use it for that

If it's just added storage then no worries there

[serene laurel]

https://www.amazon.com/GLOTRENDS-Adapter-Aluminum-Heatsink-PA09_HS/dp/B07FN3YZ8P/ref=mp_s_a_1_7

So something like this? It’s cheaper than I thought

[blazing musk]

If you're doing 4.0 yeah

[serene laurel]

It won’t be for booting, so nvme should be fine with this board. Any 1tb ssd recommendations out right now? I know the Samsung ones are usually a safe bet but they’re higher priced

[blazing musk]

This is always a decent choice https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-1tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329021

Drives have been going up in price a lot lately, the days of cheap NAND are over

[torpid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/tt-gif-22612306

[brazen needle]

Do heatsinks for SSD that fit in laptops exist? Is that a thing?

[blazing musk]

Usually they don't fit, but you also don't usually need one

[brazen needle]

Is it because sometimes that little sticker acts as a heatsink itself?

[blazing musk]

Partly yes

Even hotter drives will only get hot in rare circumstances like copying large files from one ssd to another

[brazen needle]

Yeah, there's no way I'm moving enough data to justify one on my work laptop Thanks for the insight.

[still bay]

Hello so I need to clone a hdd to a ssd for a coworker

but I only have one sata to usb3 adapter

I have the hdd with the data I want to clone in my adapter but I'd like to paste that data in my pc then copy that to the new ssd

I dont have a way to do it directly at the moment, is there a way to do it without 2 adapters?

[blazing musk]

Yes, you can copy the disk as an image. You'll need enough free storage to save the entire contents of the disk you're copying, plus a little more.
Macrium reflect should let you save it that way, and restore to another drive.

[still bay]

And it copies it with partitions and all right?

[blazing musk]

Yes

And it should be able to handle it if the disks are different sizes too

[still bay]

Nice

I'm copying from a 500gb HDD to a 512gb ssd

After this finishes making the image I just connect the new one and there should be a option to write from a backup?

[blazing musk]

In marcrium you would select restore

And then pick the location of the backup you saved

[still bay]

Thank you

After I'm done the system should read the new SSD as if it was the old HDD?

[blazing musk]

Macrium will fix the things that need to be fixed for it to read correctly as a SSD

As long as you tick the box to do so when you restore

Otherwise everything will be the same

[still bay]

Oh, I didn't see that box it's copying rn

Should I stop it?

[still bay]

the verify box right?

I ticked it now

is macrium a free trial like winrar? or does it stop working after the posted date? Bc this app is really nice.

[blazing musk]

No not verify, when you go to restore it there's a box for "optimize for ssd"

[still bay]

There was an option for SSD > TRIM

That was automatically enabled

[blazing musk]

That too

[still bay]

I don't see any options for optimize

Where can I find this option

[blazing musk]

Did it save the disk already

[still bay]

No

I stopped it to check

[blazing musk]

It's an option when you already have it saved and you're getting ready to restore it

[still bay]

Ahh im sorry, yes i did save the disk

[blazing musk]

Ok they probably removed it and have it auto detect now

[still bay]

I went to the restore icon after this screen

then selected my new ssd

and it never gave me that option

[blazing musk]

Yeah I'm thinking they modified it since I last used it a year ago

[still bay]

so should i just go ahead?

[blazing musk]

Yep

[still bay]

okay started it

is there a way to check if it copied correctly?

bc that hp laptop is pretty hard to take apart

you have to take apart half the case to get to the storage lol

[blazing musk]

You can leave it partially disassembled while you test it

[still bay]

So I'm finally done with everything thank you

[shrewd forum]

Can u put a gen 4 nvme into a gen 3 motherboard

[torpid adder]

yep

[blazing musk]

It'll run at gen 3 speed, which is fine for gamers

[shrewd forum]

@blazing musk wat about for editing or after effects

I'll lose out on maximum performance bcuz it can only out put gen 3 speeds

[blazing musk]

Gen 4 might benefit you if you're editing 4k video

[shrewd forum]

Well my system is super old

Not gen 4 capable

N I don't edit 4 k

Only 1080

[blazing musk]

Doubtful that an older computer would be able to max out the SSD anyway then, so the gen 4 drive is just something to keep for the future

[shrewd forum]

O OK

[blazing musk]

It will run like one of the best gen 3 drives at least

[shrewd forum]

I gotcha

To edit do u need a strong gpu or cpu

Or both

[blazing musk]

It depends on the program. With after effects it's heavy on the CPU but the more effects you use the harder it is on the GPU, so both kinda. It also likes Intel CPUs with an iGPU built in (non-F models) so it can use QSV for more effects and accelerate things more.

[shrewd forum]

Bcuz I do beginner 1080 stuff n I can hear my gpu rev up

[real lava]

that's just the fans working to keep the gpu cool

[shrewd forum]

@real lava OK

[sharp gust]

For some reason, my SSD keeps disconnecting from my PC after it being on for around a minute

Anyone know what a cause could be?

Hope the SSD itself isn't dying, it's only a year or so old

[blazing musk]

When a SSD dies it tends to do so suddenly and completely.
What drive is it?

[sharp gust]

An Samsung 870 QVO

Just seems to go off and on

[blazing musk]

So a SATA drive? Check for loose cables

[bold temple]

Hi everyone. I have an old motherboard and after years I have decided it's now the best time to add M.2 in it. However, I lack some knowledge in which M.2 actually fits my old PC. What options do I have? Buying a faster new M.2 or and old type of M.2????? which one fits the most?
This is my old Motherboard.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H97-D3H-rev-10#ov

[blazing musk]

You have a single M.2 slot that supports PCIe 3.0 as well as SATA. Any M.2 drive will work in this slot, even if it's newer than PCIe 3.0, but if it is newer it will be restricted to 3.0 speed.

[bold temple]

Really? so what's my option? Am I able to install windwos in it?

[blazing musk]

Z97 seems to be able to boot off of NVMe so I think H97 should be able to as well

Make sure you have the latest bios version just in case

[bold temple]

How do I know?

I'm not sure I might updated it long time ago but I can't remember

[blazing musk]

The latest version appears to be F7. You can find that when you open bios.

[real lava]

I sent em an ssd for a rec, but that's good to know

[bold temple]

which one you think can work on my motherboard?

This one: 1000G NV2 M.2 2280 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD

This one: Samsung 990 PRO 2TB PCIe 4.0 (up to 7450 MB/s) NVMe M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-V9P2T0BW)

This one: Solidigm P41 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

[bold temple]

I will restart and check it out.

[blazing musk]

All of them would work, but don't get the NV2

Also, Samsung drives have been having issues with bad firmware

[bold temple]

Ok, so I will drop Samsung from the list.

[blazing musk]

The NV2 is also bad because they've been mixing and matching controllers and memory chips, so it can either be very good or very bad

[cloud kiln]

Hmm
If I set a $200 cad (after tax) budget for a m.2 nvme SSD of 2tb, for a boot drive, what would I be looking at
I only have PCIe 3.0 on my mobo
Current drive is a 1tb crucial p1 and it's pretty slow
Also my windows install is absolutely trashed, also isn't partitioned correctly somehow

This isn't urgent since I'm planning on only getting the drive after I finish this semester so I don't have to bother with reinstalling or searching for files, but yeah

One thing to note is that I do a fair bit of reads and writes on my drive so better drive endurance would be better

Also I don't have a built in heat spreader so I should also either get a drive with one already or a 3rd party one

[formal tusk]

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ssd-benchmarks-hierarchy

^pin

Windshield's sheet is imo better but this is a nice infographic for those less initiated

[bold temple]

which one should I choose?

MBR or GPT?????????

[formal tusk]

gpt

unless you plan to use a really old windows from like, 2003

gpt

[bold temple]

no no no old windows

ok

ok I chose GPT what now?

I wanna install my windows over my HDD on it

[formal tusk]

install windows

[bold temple]

I can't send picssss

[formal tusk]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows11

[bold temple]

wait

it has a black color on it

unallocated

[formal tusk]

ye

you can make a simple volume on there

or just go straight to installing windows

[formal tusk]

up here^

[bold temple]

ok teach me how to do it? i have 1 TP

I have my USB with windows on it

[formal tusk]

ok so restart with the usb in and select the usb in bios

[bold temple]

Do I need to name my M.2?

it says its unallocated

[formal tusk]

nope

you can just put it in the new pc and install

[bold temple]

my hard drive HDD is online with C and E

[formal tusk]

or install using this pc you're using

[bold temple]

no its an old pc with an old motherboard i just bought M.2 for my first time ever

lol

[formal tusk]

oh are you reinstalling windows

or want to clone it over

[bold temple]

I wanna format my C from my HDD and make my M.2 is the one that has windows on it

[formal tusk]

well you can do that with macrium reflect free edition

and then you wipe your hard drive in bios

there are tutorials on how to use it on google, it's very easy

it'll perfectly copy your hdd to your m.2 as long as the space exists

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html

[bold temple]

yes it is 1 TP

thank you you are a life savior felix

[formal tusk]

lol np

be sure to watch a lot of youtube over this

it's easy enough to do but without some visual guidance you might be a little lost

[bold temple]

yeah you're right

[bold temple]

I have bad news @formal tusk.

It's not working

I can't install windows on my new M.2

I made a mistake by making my new M.2 a GPT

which led to be not accepted

"Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk of the GPT partition style."
"Windows cannot be installed to this disk. This computer's hardware may not support booting to this disk. Ensure that the disk's controller is enabled in the computer's BIOS menu."

I got this error when I was trying to Setup my windows.

[formal tusk]

shouldn't do

GPT is what you want for UEFI

and windows is UEFI

so

[bold temple]

I got an error.. Windows can't be installed on drive 0 partition 2. (Show details)

sorry if it is not visible enough this is what I got during installing windows in my m.2

[formal tusk]

Sorry I'm about to leave for work, would like to stay and chat, someone else will probably chime in

[bold temple]

Error code: 0xc000000e

Oh ok thank you anyway

[worn trail]

If you are just doing a fresh install then delete all partitions and reboot into the process. I had experienced the same issue before and that fixed it.

[bold temple]

yeah thats what I want but its not working out

I wanna install windows on my new M.2 over my HDD but I'm not allowed to do that for some reason

this is my motherboard https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H97-D3H-rev-10#ov

This is my new M.2 that I bought

[blazing musk]

Make it so the drive you want Windows on is the only one in the computer, then load up that installer again and delete all the partitions. Select the "unallocated space" and hit next instead of pressing "new" and it'll bypass that bug that Windows has had since 7 and never fixed.

[bold temple]

So I have to delete everything? what about GPT to MBR? I came across that problem too

[blazing musk]

It should correct that too

But if it doesn't I can walk you through it

[bold temple]

I made a huge mistake at the beginning when I had to initialize my M.2... I picked GPT over MBR, so I switched it back to MBR.... then after that I setup my windows in my M.2 came across some errors... Reocovery I need to repair my PC error code 0xc00000e I start checking out a YouTube video. https://youtu.be/GUANJeiDxEI?si=rhcCEydLmWJwJmDe

This guy explained everything however my problem still there.

[blazing musk]

Once you delete everything the installer should be able to fix the partition scheme

It can only do so on an empty drive

[bold temple]

Ok do you mean I delete only my M.2 or all drivers that contains my important files?

[blazing musk]

The other drives should be removed to avoid losing your data

The Windows installer is quite buggy, it'll throw your bootloader on a random drive and frequently fails entirely at installing

The best way to avoid that is to only have one drive in

[bold temple]

How can I do that?

Do I format it?

[blazing musk]

Physically remove all drives except the M.2 where you want to install Windows

[bold temple]

ok

And

[blazing musk]

Once you do that then load up the installer again, and when you get to the "where to install windows" step delete all the partitions

Then select the "unallocated space" and press next

[bold temple]

What about this? would I get this message "Windows can't be installed on 0 drive partition 2 (show details.)

[blazing musk]

When the drive is empty that error will go away

It should fix the MBR issue automatically

[bold temple]

ok this is good.. meanwhile I'm transfering all my files

[bold temple]

I apologize for taking too long I finally transferred all my files to a save place

Do I format everything? My M.2 is Drive 0 Partition 1

@blazing musk

I wanna do step by step

What is Type System and OEM (Reserved) are they important?

Anyone there can help?????

[blazing musk]

Delete, not format

[bold temple]

Welcome back

Ok

[blazing musk]

All the partitions should be deleted

[bold temple]

Even M.2???

[blazing musk]

The partitions, not the drive itself. You can't even delete the drive from here.

Think of it like a filing cabinet, and the partitions are the dividers that hold the folders

[bold temple]

Ok yes I get you but I'm nervous and I don't want to do any mistakes

Ok i will delete all drivers

[blazing musk]

It looks like there's more than one drive in the system currently

You should remove the other drives to avoid issues with booting

[bold temple]

Yes I have C and E that is my 1 TP HDD

[blazing musk]

If you give it the chance then windows will install the bootloader to another drive, and if that drive gets modified in any way then you can't boot windows any more

[bold temple]

I dont know what is system and OEM actually is

[blazing musk]

System appears to be the boot partition, which tells it how to start windows

[bold temple]

Ok

And OEM??

[blazing musk]

OEM is just there so you have a basic set of drivers when you reinstall

It's put there by the manufacturer of the pc

[bold temple]

Ok

I will start deleting
Drive 0 Partition 1
Drive 0 Partition 1
Drive 0 Partition 2
Drive 0 Partition 3
Drive 0 Partition 4
Plz check the last pic I posted then give me your confirmation before I delete it

[blazing musk]

The other drive is disconnected now, right?

Yeah delete them

[bold temple]

It's only M.2 and my HDD that are connected only

[blazing musk]

Disconnect the HDD and then there won't be a risk of making a mistake

[bold temple]

I dont know how

[blazing musk]

Unplug it

Either or both of the cables

[bold temple]

Can I skip it without unplugging it?

Maybe it would work?

[blazing musk]

I strongly recommend that you unplug it

That way you don't accidentally delete all your data

And Windows doesn't decide to do anything screwy

[bold temple]

Dont worry I transferred everything .. my pc is empty

[blazing musk]

Alright, I can't make you do it after all

[bold temple]

All my files are not in PC anymore

[blazing musk]

Delete Drive 1 partitions, you can ignore Drive 0

[bold temple]

I deleted my drive 0

Can I return it back?

It's my M.2

[blazing musk]

How do you know which is which, they're the same size

The drive that windows is currently installed on is drive 1

[bold temple]

I know because of the size

350 MB is my C which windows can be installed on it

684 MB size is my E

Should I continue?

Deleting?

[blazing musk]

Yes

But there is a much greater chance of the bug I mentioned occurring where windows installs the bootloader to the wrong drive

[bold temple]

What should I do?

[blazing musk]

The best thing at this point would be deleting all the partitions and then shutting down to unplug the HDD

[bold temple]

But after that I can't start my windows

[blazing musk]

Since drive 0 and drive 1 are the same total size it makes it very hard to tell which drive is which

[blazing musk]

You already can't according to that partition scheme, all the drives are empty

[bold temple]

Ok I will try to delete all partition and shut down my pc

I will try to unplug it

[blazing musk]

Once you get back into the installer with the drive unplugged you'll select the unallocated space and press next, and once windows finishes installing you can plug the other drive back in

[bold temple]

Ok let me delete it then I will shut it down and we will go step by step

Ok done

Ok I unplugged it

Are you there??

I unplugged my HDD

@blazing musk you there?

Should I install it anyway???

Hello?

Ok I tried to install windows it says "We couldn't create a new partition or locate an existing one. For more information see the setup log files."

I clicked New and set it as my primary

See? What did I do wrong?

[blazing musk]

You clicked new instead of next

Delete it, select the unallocated space, and hit next

[bold temple]

What do you mean?

Ok

Ok

This is what comes up to me

I did it but this message comes up to me

[blazing musk]

Press shift+F10

[bold temple]

Ok

I did

[blazing musk]

Type these commands exactly

[bold temple]

Ok

[blazing musk]

diskpart select disk 0 clean

Then just
exit exit

It'll go back to the installer and you should be able to install to the drive now, it'll be like a brand new drive

[bold temple]

Succeeded in cleaning the disk

Ok I exited now

After I exited I'm in the installer now

I will hit next

[blazing musk]

What does it say if you hit show details

[bold temple]

This comes up

I did that couple minutes ago this is what comes up to me

[blazing musk]

Ok so you either have a bios issue or the disk itself is bad

[bold temple]

I read before I have to change my bios mode from legacy to UEFI

Becausr right now its legacy

Should I do that?

[blazing musk]

Yes, Windows 11 cannot boot in legacy mode

[bold temple]

Mine is windows 10

I dont want windows 11 I have an old PC

[blazing musk]

They might have removed that in a recent windows 10 installer then

[bold temple]

Should I restart? And do it?

[blazing musk]

?cmos

[river lichen]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[blazing musk]

Do that

If you have a jumper or a button, that's faster

And make sure you're on the latest bios version

[bold temple]

Bro I dont have the latest one

I have i7-400 or something

[blazing musk]

That would be far below the minimum requirements for windows 10

Maybe you mean 4700k or something?

[bold temple]

Yeah but without the k

[blazing musk]

That's fine then

[bold temple]

I7-4000

[blazing musk]

OH I THINK I KNOW THE PROBLEM

That old chipset isn't actually able to boot from NVMe (M.2) drives

[bold temple]

Really?

Did you check out my motherboard name?

[bitter mirage]

If i use a 256GB SSD for kali linux with all penetration testing tools would that much be enough

[blazing musk]

64GB would be more than enough

[bold temple]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H97-D3H-rev-10#ov

[bitter mirage]

Or maybe if possible i use 128GB?

I want it to use for a long lasting time

[blazing musk]

I think the minimum was 32GB so anything higher than that would be plenty

[bitter mirage]

Okay

[blazing musk]

Linux is tiny compared to windows

[bitter mirage]

That's Good

[bold temple]

Ok what should I be doing now? Go back to same old settings????

[blazing musk]

I'm checking your manual now

[bold temple]

Ok

[blazing musk]

Or I would be checking your manual if gigabyte didn't let their SSL certificate expire for their download site

[bold temple]

Ok

Should I change my Storage Boot Option Control from Legecy only to UEFI Only??

[blazing musk]

UEFI Only would be a start

At least windows would stop complaining about that

[bold temple]

Should I do it?

What's the difference between them?

Ok I picked UEFI only and save

[blazing musk]

UEFI allows the OS to communicate directly with the BIOS, among many other differences

[bold temple]

Ok now I'm installed back

Do I click new? Or next

[blazing musk]

Next

But bios still won't let you

[blazing musk]

Some H97 boards were able to boot from NVMe drives after a bios update but I can't tell if yours is one of those

[autumn veldt]

go go go falcie

[bold temple]

He wants a new partition

I clicked new and I'm back to the same issue

Man I'm screwed

How can I return everything back? I give up

[blazing musk]

I could possibly mod your bios so that it can boot from NVMe but that's not something I have the time or patience for right now

It's past midnight and I need to get to bed

[bold temple]

No no need I give up... you have been so helpful

I just want to return everything back help me with that only

[blazing musk]

Since the files on your drive were deleted you'll have to reinstall windows to the HDD

[bold temple]

Ok

I plugged my HDD back

How can I do partition like it was before?

Ok I'm back to installer

[blazing musk]

You can't, not without manually creating everything

[bold temple]

Drive 1 I believe it is my HDD

[blazing musk]

Just hit next on drive 1 and it'll install windows onto a single partion (C:)

[bold temple]

I want to make it like this plz

This is my old pic

[blazing musk]

Yeah you'd have to do that manually and I can't walk you through that right now

[bold temple]

What the size I make it with

Man 😦

Do system and OEM needs a partition too?

[blazing musk]

System yes OEM no

[bold temple]

How? And can you talk to your friends to help me plz?

[blazing musk]

Most people are offline right now but some come on in a couple hours due to time zones

[bold temple]

Ok

How can I make it system?

[bold temple]

As you can see Drive 1 Partition 1 is my system with 350 MB

I click new what should I put in numbers?

[small carbon]

tbh no big reason to deal w/ that, just install most programs to the ssd instead.

[bitter mirage]

Is 128GB ssd good for kali linux everything? (With other tools also)

[torpid adder]

ssds that small are very poor value but yeah it's a storage device it would do the storage things

[bitter mirage]

But ssd's are rated well and fast

So other than ssd's, what would be recommended?

[torpid adder]

larger capacity ssd

[bitter mirage]

Yeah but isn't 128GB good?

[torpid adder]

you could just get a 128gb one but it is poor value

[bitter mirage]

As you are talking.....
What's the disadvantages of ssd's?

They are faster and better than hdds

They can fastly boot any operating system

[torpid adder]

on the small capacity end of the scale, you will be paying a higher price per GB, and conversely at the higher capacity end, you will be paying less per GB

the value from 1TB and higher capacities tend to be the same, so for example a 2TB drive would be roughly the same price as two 1TB drives

two 500GB drives would be more expensive than one 1TB drive, and two 250GB drives would again be more expensive than one 500GB

here is an example of an ssd that comes in various capacities where you can compare their value (price/GB)

this model is not made in a 128GB capacity

[bitter mirage]

You made my mood

Thank you! @torpid adder

[bold temple]

How can I do that? I'm now installing my programs but all of them are going to my old HDD C:

[bitter mirage]

Change the installation directory when the setup of the program starts

Like Here (for example purpose)

[bold temple]

so every program that I install, I make sure my destination folder is in my M.2 Folder? Does it have to be the same folder Like D:\Program Files (x86)\Steam

[real lava]

yes

[blazing musk]

I install to custom folders just fine but using the standard file structure is simpler. You just have to change one letter.

[small carbon]

For steam, go in steam settings & "add" the new ssd. Non-steam stuff indeed needs the destination set also. Very few things have to install only to a C:drive

[bitter mirage]

@bold temple I think you're good to go with your new ssd

[bold temple]

Thank you guys

[bold temple]

Yes that's what I did... I even installed Steam to the new drive.. the result is good but I'm a bit sad that my windows is in my old HDD

[bitter mirage]

Whats the storage of your ssd and hdd?
Maybe if ssd is good and large enough to hold windows and all the applications.
Then there will be no use of hdd.
And,
Windows will also startup faster at least in 10 seconds

[blazing musk]

The problem is that the computer is so old it can't boot from nvme drives

i7-4700 I think it was, on a H97 board

[real lava]

That's what I was worried about

[torpid adder]

Can't you bios update that gen for it?

[real lava]

No

Only on Z97 usually

[torpid adder]

Assuming you get like an adapter lol

[real lava]

in this case, the H97 board has an m.2 nvme slot

but no support for booting

[torpid adder]

Hmm

[blazing musk]

Some H97 boards do have an update that allows it but this board does not

You'd have to mod the bios to add the required data in, which is possible but both risky and a pain in the butt

[torpid adder]

Rip

[blissful dagger]

In the future I probably would look for LTO drives

Only thing is the reader/writer is ludicrously expensive

Or I could just use M-Discs

Just rambling

[bold temple]

@blazing musk @bitter mirage Would this method works out? https://youtu.be/wi5FaculxsU

What about this one too? https://www.partitionwizard.com/news/enable-disk-controller-in-bios.html

[bitter mirage]

This one's good at remarks

But I can't try that method now practically

But what's the problem?

Your installation of windows is already done so why trubleshooting so much?

It's like a kind of mess doing unnecessary things with the partition drives

What's the version of your bios ?

And what company is the motherboard?

[blazing musk]

The data required for the BIOS to be able to read the boot sector on a NVMe drive is missing from the BIOS, there is no official fix unless there's an update that adds this missing data.

Windows is able to detect that the required module to boot is missing, and can refuse to install to the drive.

[formal tusk]

@blazing musk what exactly is it refusing

Would it maybe accept mbr?

[blazing musk]

The BIOS simply cannot read the boot sector on NVMe drives. It does not have the ability to communicate with the controller on that level, and it will only allow it to be a storage drive.

Also, Windows will not accept MBR any more

[formal tusk]

Fair enough

Yeah I figured it would insist on gpt but I don't know enough about 4th gen

Really anything pre-6th? For me rn is just lolwat

[blazing musk]

It has a UEFI so at least it knows how to read GPT

[formal tusk]

Mm

[bold temple]

You'll know how much struggle I get by having HDD on windows.. it's so slow and it takes long time to boot my windows not only that. I'm an editior and gamer my adobe gets very slow and anytime I wanna play any game it gets laggy and terrible for me.

This is my processor and my ram @bitter mirage @blazing musk
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable)
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

[torpid adder]

you installed windows on a hard drive?

[bold temple]

Yes in my old HDD drive

[torpid adder]

why not an ssd?

[bold temple]

I bought M.2 couple days ago.. I tried to install my windows on it and couldn't I get this.

[torpid adder]

ohh right the m.2 no boot drive h97 thing

so you'll need a sata ssd

I recommend crucial mx500

[bold temple]

what is it if you don't mind me asking?

[torpid adder]

#storage-devices message

[bold temple]

I meant the boot drive h97 thing that you talked about

I didn't know it was a thing

[torpid adder]

#storage-devices message

[bold temple]

I'm checking it on amazon.. is it fast?

[bold temple]

OH!!! ok

[torpid adder]

it's an ssd so yes

it's the best quality sata ssd for the most reasonable price iirc

[bold temple]

yeah I'm reading it its very good

[blazing musk]

The MX500 is generally considered one of the best SATA SSDs, and is usually a decent enough price

[bitter mirage]

Installation and booting speed are good in MX500 SATA SSDs it is a significant and useful, upgradable for most old HDDs

I recommend MX500 SATA SSD

In fact I am also using it

[torpid adder]

the only sata ssds I've used are wd blue 3ds but they kinda stopped making that exact line at wd and replaced it with the sa510 which doesn't seem to be up to the same level of quality and value

[bitter mirage]

As in remarks/reviews also MX500 SATA SSDs are good

[real lava]

the only sata ssd ive ever used was wd green

a pretty low tier ssd

worked ok enough tho

still way faster than a hard drive

[torpid adder]

oof

green

[real lava]

i was younger and desperate lol

[blazing musk]

Green drives were good options for super old devices that only had SATA II

[real lava]

asked dad for an ssd

he said "okay but don't get something expensive"

so wd green i went

[torpid adder]

I still have a couple of sata 2 computers but idk I'd still use blue or mx500 for them

[real lava]

now i have mp33 and micron 2400

[blazing musk]

"Were" being the operative word, referring to 6+ years ago when they were cheaper than most other options

[torpid adder]

ahhg

[real lava]

thailand didn't have much ssd options back in 2019

wd green happens to be the cheapest

and i was scared of the kingstom a400's woes

my bro still uses my old laptop that runs the green

[bitter mirage]

@bold temple Did it sort out your problem?

[real lava]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/china-made-risc-v-pcie-50-ssd-controller-promises-competitive-performance-up-to-142-gbs-without-a-fan

possibly the best controller there is rn

innogrit on top again

[blazing musk]

That's assuming they're not using stolen/repurposed chips with serial numbers shaved off... again

[open gazelle]

Hey! Maybe Phison/SM was the one stealing from Yingren. Cant believe you'd accuse them of such things smh my head ||/s||

[crimson fjord]

anyone know why standard size sd cards seem to have died out? instead replaced by micro sd with an adapter to "full size"

[open gazelle]

Mass production. It isnt possible to downscale standard to micro but it is possible to do the opposite. For quite some time now a large amt of standard sized cards are actually just a fully enclosed micro card.

[red jay]

APEX storage sells NVMe hard drives up to 168TB however is there any use cases for it

I mean single hard drive

[tacit field]

Games...

[red jay]

What kind of game would need TB class storage

[blazing musk]

The largest single drive is currently 32TB so that sounds like a scam drive.
One installation of call of duty can take 400GB.

[sinful salmon]

it's a PCIE addon card that can be filled with NVME SSDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFwFDZDQWAA
It is legit, but it dumb AF

It is amazing if ultimately really, really dumb for a consumer

2800 USD for the card, WITHOUT the SSDs

[formal tusk]

makes sense for someone who would need it

like a virtualised threadripper editing station

[sinful salmon]

Yeah for that use case

Actually amazing

Mere mortals need not apply

Now if Apex makes a Gen 5 variant...

Oh boy, that'd be incredible

The numbers speak for themselves

[blazing musk]

Oh that's what they meant. I guess I was confused when they said "single drive."

[sinful salmon]

Yeah it's a PCI Gen4 ×16 carrier card

TECHNICALLY you can configure it as a single RAID array

[red jay]

Sorry

Messed up the question

[heady glade]

Looking for the best deals on 4TB SSDs

I purchased one thorugh here and it was geat just cannot find the same one i had

[blazing musk]

This is the best deal right now without using TikTok shop https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101

Yes SSD prices have gone up a lot

[heady glade]

yea think i purchased 179 so def up a bit

[heady glade]

anyparticular reasons why?

[blazing musk]

During the pandemic there was a major shortage of chips for GPUs due to the massive increase in demand, a large part of which was from crypto mining. Nvidia and AMD ordered massive amounts of fabrication time in advance from TSMC, because that's what you have to do. They're booked years in advance.
Once Ethereum finally went proof of stake and mining ended, the demand for GPUs fell off a cliff overnight. This left AMD and Nvidia with more silicon wafers than they could ever use, and they had to sell them to someone, anyone, so they could recoup the costs. Most of the buyers were companies that make SSDs.
The influx of cheap silicon for SSDs drastically reduced their prices and made them more advanced at the same time since they could use newer nodes.
Now that the market has stabilized again, the SSD manufacturers are back to buying their fab time directly at the normal rate, so the SSD prices have stabilized back to where they would naturally be in a more normal market.

[red jay]

those will be (or already are) in the museum, but militaries and agencies like NSA still use it

and also tapes

[devout monolith]

good deal on a 1tb m.2?

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/chzhP6/crucial-p3-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct1000p3pssd8

or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RZNxFT/hp-fx900-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-57s53aaabb

thats a pretty high tier gen 4 drive, not that it matters for most people ^^

[devout monolith]

gotcha, thank you

[brazen needle]

What kind of adapter would I need to connect this old hard drive to a modern computer?

[blazing musk]

That's standard SATA, it's still actively used and all motherboards and power supplies have the connectors

[brazen needle]

Would I be able to plug this into like USB C?

[blazing musk]

If you're putting it onto a laptop instead of a desktop, you can use a USB to SATA adapter. They're pretty cheap and common. I'll find one real quick.

https://www.newegg.com/orico-2139c3-g2-cr-2-5in-hdd-ssd/p/0VN-0003-001A3

[brazen needle]

I just want the data that's on it. I have no use for it otherwise. But thanks! I'll check it out

[blazing musk]

This one's cheaper https://www.newegg.com/orico-2129u3-enclosure/p/0VN-0003-001G0?Item=9SIA1DS9TU5768

USB A instead of C

[brazen needle]

This might be a dumb question but how do I tell if it's 2.5 or 3.5 drive?

[torpid adder]

Is it big, the size of your hand?

Otherwise, it's 2.5"

Or just

Measure it I guess

Once you know what a 3.5" drive looks like it'll be easy to tell

[outer pecan]

ive been looking at PCIe to NVMe adapter cards is there potentially any that do gen 4 speeds and have 2 slots?

[blazing musk]

100%. Make sure your motherboard supports bifurcation. https://www.ebay.com/itm/195901680699

[outer pecan]

Alright

[blazing musk]

The most I've seen on a single card is 29

[outer pecan]

Damn

[blazing musk]

But 2/4 is a more common (and cheaper)

[outer pecan]

Yeah

I was looking for 4 initially but two seems more common and I don't really see myself needing more than 2

[blazing musk]

Which motherboard did you have? I can look into that bifurcation thing for you

AMD chipsets all allow it but it's up to the vendor to enable it

[outer pecan]

One sec

B550-P wifi

MSI

[blazing musk]

B550? Not B650?

[outer pecan]

Yeah

Wait no

You're right

[blazing musk]

Unfortunately your second x16 slot is only running at x4 so you'd be limited to a single drive on that slot

Unless you used a carrier card with a chipset that handles the drives instead of the bios

[outer pecan]

How much would those be?

Never seen those

[blazing musk]

Not cheap

The difference being a simple expansion card connects pin to pin on each slot, while the more advanced card connects the drives to a chipset, which then communicates as a single drive would with bios over whatever speed link it has

[outer pecan]

Ah

Might look into a SATA drive then

Primarily want another drive to just run Linux off of but also wanted to replace my two hard drives with SSDs

[blazing musk]

Linux is perfectly happy running off USB

[bitter mirage]

Its Live Bootable too in an USB

[blazing musk]

Could do an external ssd if you really wanted

[outer pecan]

Yeah I've had issues with that though and prefer using an SSD

True

I have one of those

[bitter mirage]

SSD for extra Stuff with Linux

[blazing musk]

Yeah live boot is one method, but I mean straight installing it to a USB SSD

[bitter mirage]

That's Good Too!

[bitter mirage]

Coz, SSD are only available in more storage

I mean SSD starts from at least 64GB as Compared to a Pendrive which is available at only at low as 32GB as for Linux

[haughty notch]

Hey guys, I was just looking for an opinion on this SSD for server usage https://www.newegg.ca/kingspec-4tb-2-5-sata/p/0D9-000D-00158?Item=9SIB1V9JMA9935&cm_sp=SP-_-1813573-_-0-_-2-_-9SIB1V9JMA9935-_-2tb ssd-_-2tb|ssd-_-2

I plan on using it to replace my hard drives in my server or to use with them (not sure which I will do yet). Do yall suggest anything better or do you think this will be fine? I dont care so much for speed, just looking for something to run my VMs on so that it doesnt slow down too much like it is currently doing when I store my VMs on the hard drives

[blazing musk]

Does your server have M.2 slots or only SATA?

[haughty notch]

Sorry for late response, it has both, it's barely a "server" lmao

[blazing musk]

2 options then, one is a more known and reliable brand of SATA drive, the other is a much faster M.2 drive. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/vYqPxr,yF4Zxr

[quiet gust]

Will the two models perform about the same? If anyone has some time to help me find some specs other than the capacity I'd appreciate

(Look at the 2 bottom ones since they're the the different drives)

[brisk dome]

Very limited info available it seems. Passmark has a handful of benchmarks for each drive, the bottom one seems to be a bit faster

https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=LITEON IT LST-32S9G-HP

https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=LITEONIT LSS-32L6G-HP

*bottom one in the photo, first link I sent. 32S9G

[quiet gust]

Thank you, I'll test them out for sure to check their states

And speeds

[brisk dome]

Yeah best way to know for sure is to test en yourself

[quiet gust]

Where do these ssds usually come from?

Like what machines are thy found in

[real lava]

none tbh

these were retail units

[quiet gust]

Oh ok. The person that sold me this one said they were from work machines and i assumed they were like a bunch of office pcs or workstations

[blazing musk]

You could search the part numbers from this label and see

The drive they put in the machine would have been whatever drive they had in stock that met the advertised specs

[ionic thunder]

anybody knows about "seagate SRN21C" ? mines seems to be running but cant open it

[real lava]

Those things are external drives that can't be taken apart

[ionic thunder]

sorry i don't meant for it to taken apart but i cant access my files anymore

[real lava]

ah

It's probably dead then

[ionic thunder]

so i cant do anything then ?

but the mechanical thingy inside it still runs tho

[real lava]

it might still spin, but it could be dead

[blazing musk]

The read and write arms are on separate mechanisms from the platter motors

The arms are usually what dies first on external drives, unless you vibrate the platter to death

[quiet gust]

I'm looking at some of CrystalDiskMark settings and I noticed there's a setting for nvme ssds that changes some of the tests like seq. and random, by setting different queues, threads or sizes. Is there any use case for the nvme setting if I'm not actually using an nvme ssd?
What is the test size used for (the one ranging from 64MiB, up to 64GiB)? I've almost always used 1-2GiB but never noticed differences other than margin of error.

[blazing musk]

The results are less meaningful if you don't run it on nvme, but you can still do it so you have 1:1 comparison

No reason not to run both sets of tests if you're comparing drives

[quiet gust]

Ok, do you know what the test size is for?

Looks like 64MiB gives more imprecise results apparently

[blazing musk]

Test size should be the size of the working test file

Faster drives would get more accurate results with larger sizes

[quiet gust]

I'm testing some sas drives with my lsi 9240 8i, I've got a lot of ssds and hdds to test. Currently connected 8 ssds and only 6 show up, tried reseting them on the connector + restart but still two of them are not showing up.
Considering I'll have a lot of testing to do, how unsafe is it to unplug a drive while running (they are not formatted and have no allocated partitions) and plug another one back in? Will windows recognize it immediately or does that also require a reboot?

[blazing musk]

I'm not sure if that controller supports hot plug, but if it does that needs to be explicitly enabled. Never swap power while it's on, though. I've fried a drive testing that.

[quiet gust]

I feel like I found the problem
The two drives (that showed up previously on the same connectors) happen to work on any other sata connector. Other drives i connect to those two specific sata power conn. don't work, might have found the problem

Maybe it's related to my soldering skills that I applied on this psu to add "a few" sata connectors

Maybe a wire broke as I was moving them

[quiet gust]

Luckily it's not skill issue, it's some of the sas to sata adapters that don't make good contact either with the drives or the cables. I have no idea why they have to be so expensive and also fragile

[sharp folio]

What should I use for checking drive health?

[brisk dome]

I use the respective drive manufacturer's software

[sharp folio]

Well I have Samsung, Samsung, and KODAK

so

Oh, Samsung Magician

[quiet gust]

CrystalDisk info is a good software that shows you a lot about a drive, including S.M.A.R.T. reports. So basically anything from uptime to bad sectors, firmware...

[minor sun]

New drive stats dropped, interesting average age of failure chart

[blazing musk]

Some of those with an average fail under a year... yikes

HGST looking like the most reliable long term brand here

[minor sun]

These are only the active drives so some of these are just the premature death part of the bathtub curve, it'll average out over time

But it's cool that basically all drives except for 2 drives has their average death age go up between years as it averages out as the average drive ages

[brisk dome]

Chart doesn't seem to account for how many of each drive is being used though

Unless I'm reading it wrong

Like wouldn't a failure % rate be more useful?

[minor sun]

This chart isn't about failure rates out of working drives, backblaze always has a separate chart for actual failure rates, this is the new chart they did just for q1 2024 for a look at the average age of the drives that did fail

[brisk dome]

Gotcha

So higher # of failed drives just means a more accurate lifespan estimate?

[minor sun]

Yea-ish

I do wish they added average drive age like they did for the other charts for this one too though

full blog:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q1-2024/

[shut furnace]

yo, are there any lists of drives with detailed specs listed out there? Been trying to look around for a somewhat cheap sata drive that has sustained writes of ~1,700mb/s that is reliable but takes a while to find details for some drives

[minor sun]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview#gid=0

95% of every drive you can find that's not a random company that has only made one rebranded drive will be on there

[shut furnace]

oh nice

[minor sun]

btw sata 3 is only 600MB/s max

might need pcie of some sort or sas or something

[shut furnace]

no this device is sata only, and sorry I meant mb not MB (this stuff gets confusing lol

The difficult thing is the drive needs to be able to sustain it as this is for a camera

[minor sun]

might need mlc for consistent performance but even modern tlc should be able to sustain 200MB/s

[shut furnace]

Alright I'll do some looking around, thanks for the link

[sour wadi]

https://youtu.be/kyhlqvXzsCE

[sour wadi]

Be careful when downloading stuff from sabrent

[real lava]

wow

[blazing musk]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[loud girder]

Oops

[craggy creek]

hi sorry to interrupt, anyone have any tips on how to recover data from a clicking drive? ive tried the freezer trick and on linux, and thus far still isnt detecting on my external adapter

[blazing musk]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-hes-dead-jim-gif-11747425

[cloud kiln]

Clicking drive? Lol

All HDDs make clicking noises whether they're working or not (unless the arm died)

But yeah it's most likely unrecoverable

For you at least

If the data is worth several hundred to you

Bring it to drive savers or some other data recovery service

For important data, always make backups on seperate devices, and for extra important data, make sure to also make an off-site backup on something like gcloud or backblaze or like, dropbox

[craggy creek]

Its for a client of mine, tried everything I can figure and its clicking more than usual for a drive and its not showing up so ill tell the client that unfortunately I can't rescue the data and it will need more specialized assistance

[cloud kiln]

Do you hear the drive spin up

And do you hear any scratching noises

@craggy creek

[craggy creek]

It spins up and just starts immediately clicking no other noises

[cloud kiln]

Hmm

Ok then that probably is just an arm replacement to recover the data, that should be around $200 I believe

Wait

400 is a safer estimate

[craggy creek]

Ok, not really set up for specialized data recovery, but ill see how much the local data recovery company is and let the client know

[cloud kiln]

Yeah get local quotes

[blazing musk]

You need a special clean room to do that without destroying the data

[cloud kiln]

technically speaking, you dont need a clean room, just a clean chamber, but that's still more than what most people have in terms of equipment

[blazing musk]

True enough. A clean room type environment to work in.

[craggy creek]

As I figured

[quiet gust]

Does the hp p410 sas controller support it mode?

[blazing musk]

It should but you'll need to flash it

[brisk dome]

Normal for a crucial P5 to be idling this hot? it's my OS drive but I'm not like downloading or copying files right now.

[blazing musk]

66 is safe but a little high. As long as it stays under like 85 under load you're fine and it won't throttle.

[brisk dome]

ok. it's down to 60 now so maybe there was some background OS stuff going on

[verbal snow]

Any good suggestions for m.2 NVME drives 4tb is what I'm looking into since it's the last available slot before I go sata

it's going to be a game drive an nothing else

[blazing musk]

MP34

[verbal snow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101 this?

[blazing musk]

Yep

[verbal snow]

Alright this Friday I'm getting it and probably a Corsair harpoon

[formal tusk]

They're all meh until $260

alternative

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2BvD4D/silicon-power-ud90-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp04kgbp44ud9005

[verbal snow]

I was looking into that but wanted better advice before I made wrong choice

[formal tusk]

Or

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMstt6/leven-js600-4-tb-25-solid-state-drive-js600ssd4tb

For a game drive this is fine

It's old TLC iirc from what forks told me

[blazing musk]

Agreed 100%, SATA barely has different load times compared to even PCIe 4.0

[verbal snow]

Preference, m.2 since I don't wanna hassle the cables and have to shift my whole case since I have so little space