storage-devices

[dawn sand]

Anyone need storage

Also is this like good drive it seems to cheap to be good

[real lava]

ye

a55 is good

[dawn sand]

Might have to cope some

[olive glade]

Price are finally starting to drop a little

[dawn sand]

[fringe mesa]

I so freaked out today. Back In November, I purchased 10 SK Hynix P41 from Amazon, the 2tb while they were at $130 a pop. Packaging is different from last time as I got them, even though I didn't need them till I opened one today to see if I can hook it up to my Steam Deck, and my god, the packaging inside is different, they have a thin layer card that holds it to the roof of the packaging, so it looks like you got a box with nothing in it. Opened 3, and was freaking out as I spent $1400+ with taxes and all and was like OMG, I'm finding out now I got nothing? Then looked very carefully and was like, no, there is weight I can feel, there has to be something hiding it. Sure enough, thin piece of plastic. Pain to remove, but wow. Now only problem is, trying to get it to work externally on the deck, if that's even possible.

It will take 6 of these, to fill my entire steam library.

Oops sorry, that's 3. Keep forgetting they are 2tb

[fringe mesa]

Funny, I may be new to Linux, but some of the errors are quite similar to windows. Made me decide to check the NVME on my z690, and sure enough, the enclosure is bad. Never had a bad enclosure ever. Unless its the cable that came with it. I tend to buy a few of each in case I want the NVME in it to be more permanent. Going to check later to see what exactly is bad with it. Sometimes it's just a tiny piece of plastic, manufacturers actually left behind, like when you get a new watch, that thin coating?

Same with the pin hubs. Insertion machine puts it on right before the soldereave process, but doesn't take it fully off.

Bbl

[fringe mesa]

Just a heads up. A lot of old posts state NVME like the SK Hynix P41 2TB won't work with the steam deck. This is completely untrue. Maybe not internally, but externally it can, and you can even set the steam deck up editing the cfg file to load this drive each time, so you don't have to remount it every time you turn the deck on.

[cerulean monolith]

thanks both of ya, its good.

[fringe mesa]

I use Macrium Reflect, and Mini tool partition wizard. Come to think of it, I'm always using those two together and forgot why. It's something I do so often, I don't even think of it. What I do know, they both are missing something, so using each one to deal with the others short comings gets the job I need done. Some other utilities just as good that I got several keys for, came with my NVME and high priced Micro SD cards. One that came with my Toshiba drive, that was an insult, but Toshiba did make good on that issue long ago. $800 drive, the utility refused to let me image the drive going bad onto the Toshiba drive, because the source wasn't Toshiba. That was when I built the Z390 AORUS systems.

On the SK Hynix P41 2TB, not sure why Steam didn't go with that type. After playing Terraria, Rune Factory, East wind, and Sun Haven off the Steam Deck, the NVME was luke warm, not even hot.

[fringe mesa]

That one enclosure that reads in the NVME, but leaves a can't identify message of drive type, figured might be a Cable problem, until I noticed unlike the two different models, this one is missing a small mini chip that the other two have. Not sure what it does, only you can see there's a spot for it, but never put on board. Manufacturer sending me a replacement.

[red jay]

whats the best, most reliable 4tb hdd?

for video, 3D model, backup save file storage

[blazing musk]

Best or "best value" because those are very different

Best Value https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099P9ZXVG?th=1
"Best" (6TB is $5 more than 4TB, nice deal right now) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NCMMSQX?th=1

[red jay]

wd black, definitly

[indigo arch]

Good idea? Yay or nay?

[real lava]

works i guess

[sour wadi]

I mean usually you can use a pcie slot before taking an m.2 slot but it'd work

[indigo arch]

I don't have a spare pcie slot.
It's a mini itx bored and the only port is already populated with a GPU.

I was trying to find more variations on Amazon but couldn't seem to find any. Only that one

[sour wadi]

That'd work then

[open gazelle]

Make sure to consider where the M2 slot is and if the M2 card will interfere with anything.

[glad oxide]

how do I use my old HDD as extended storage alongside my main SSD? i need more storage, might put offline games and data there

[quiet gust]

Need help with SSD not showing up, I've been asking many times but no response
Problem: 240gb 2.5" sata SSD doesn't show up anywhere (including disk manager and cmd-diskpart) however it does in bios and hwinfo64, is there anything I could change in bios settings to possibly get this drive to show up?

I know it is working because I used it in another system some time ago and it worked fine but I now tried on many different systems but doesn't show up anywhere, even tried using usb to SATA adapter but nothing

Oh and it also shows in crystaldisk info

[boreal creek]

What NVME storage would you guys reccomend for a secondary game drive?

[sour wadi]

How much storage and what country?

[boreal creek]

2TB in the US

[sour wadi]

I'd get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxfFf7/silicon-power-a60-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp002tbp34a60m28

[urban steppe]

Ok, so I got the Gigabyte Aorus 17 YE5 3080TI laptop and as far as I could tell the weakpoint was the harddrive; 1TB SSD is all it ever said in any of the marketing material. I start digging deeper, looking to see what my options for expansion were. Turns out the laptop can take 2x 2280 M.2s, and the one supposedly installed is a:

Gigabyte AG470s1tb-si b10
https://www.gigabyte.com/SSD/AORUS-Gen4-7000s-SSD-1TB#kf

It took me a bit to track it down and confirm it. Originally what I found popping up on the Amazon results were typical M.2s with the heatshields, which I imagine is not common in a factory installation; they're usually the barebones modules and such right? I juggle around and weed out results and it turns out, supposedly, this thing has this beastly 7000 series M.2, though I'm not sure if I can believe it. It definitely doesn't feel like it. And if it does, can I believe it actually looks like the heatshielded one that pops up?

I found a version around $150 out there. I'm hoping this system supports RAID 0 rebuilding and I can just add another matched module and stripe away with current installation. I'm also wondering if I should go another route entirely with separate drive, storage scale drive, external whatnots, etc etc. 🤔 Thoughts?

[formal tusk]

So usually laptops will ship with an m.2, so you'll have one extra slot

[blazing musk]

Don't worry about raid, it's more trouble than it's worth and most laptops don't support it. If you really want to you can use windows storage spaces to combine the drives but I don't recommend that either for a boot drive.
You can double check the model number of the drive using crystal disk info. That'll tell you if it's being throttled or something too, like a gen 4 x4 drive put into a gen 3 x2 bus. Crystal disk mark is a decent performance test too to compare your results to expected numbers.

[formal tusk]

I would try to avoid a gen 4 m.2 in a laptop btw unless you can fit some sort of heatsink to it

Otherwise it's throttle city

[blazing musk]

It's very possible that's the reason for poor performance if that really is the drive, yes

[formal tusk]

Good drives for a laptop are low power pcie 3 imo

[blazing musk]

P31 gold

[urban steppe]

Some benchmark testing wouldn't hurt.

[formal tusk]

I would say even not p31 gold

I would go something perfectly fine with a sticker

Mp33, a60, 660p, 670p, etc

[dense merlin]

P31 is a great ssd for a laptop, but imo it's just normally overpriced and more than most people would need with a laptop

[blazing musk]

Really? That's the best performance per watt drive though

[formal tusk]

But how many watt

[blazing musk]

It's on sale right now too

[dense merlin]

Not a great one

$80, right?

[formal tusk]

What's the p41 plus like for heat?

[dense merlin]

Hot

[blazing musk]

3.5-4W compared to the next best drives that are 6W+

[real lava]

i don't really like the price of p31

spensiv

[dense merlin]

Almost as hot as the sn850x

Hotter than the sn850 iirc

[formal tusk]

How many watt for mp33

[blazing musk]

6W

[formal tusk]

Hm ok

I'm the weirdge

[urban steppe]

Default drive stock from the factory in zee laptop. What sort of results are you guys getting?

CrystalDiskMark 8.0.4 x64 (C) 2007-2021 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World: https://crystalmark.info/

• MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
• KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

[Read]
SEQ 1MiB (Q= 8, T= 1): 6937.750 MB/s [ 6616.4 IOPS] < 1207.68 us>
SEQ 1MiB (Q= 1, T= 1): 3745.400 MB/s [ 3571.9 IOPS] < 279.76 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 32, T= 1): 897.210 MB/s [ 219045.4 IOPS] < 141.39 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 1, T= 1): 85.388 MB/s [ 20846.7 IOPS] < 47.89 us>

[Write]
SEQ 1MiB (Q= 8, T= 1): 4933.971 MB/s [ 4705.4 IOPS] < 1696.40 us>
SEQ 1MiB (Q= 1, T= 1): 4179.634 MB/s [ 3986.0 IOPS] < 250.61 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 32, T= 1): 591.174 MB/s [ 144329.6 IOPS] < 214.56 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 1, T= 1): 308.700 MB/s [ 75366.2 IOPS] < 13.19 us>

Profile: Default
Test: 1 GiB (x5) [C: 75% (698/936GiB)]
Mode: [Admin]
Time: Measure 5 sec / Interval 5 sec
Date: 2023/02/08 6:51:51
OS: Windows 11 Professional [10.0 Build 22621] (x64)

[blazing musk]

Damn yeah 7k read alright

[urban steppe]

Yeah I perked up when that popped

Settings were on default, I wonder if selecting NVME will change anything.

[formal tusk]

Not peak gen 4 but def gen 4

[urban steppe]

Mind you, 75% full drive.

[blazing musk]

Changing to nvme test just changes the tests it does

Still good info

[urban steppe]

Well then...

---

CrystalDiskMark 8.0.4 x64 (C) 2007-2021 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World: https://crystalmark.info/

• MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
• KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

[Read]
SEQ 1MiB (Q= 8, T= 1): 6927.657 MB/s [ 6606.7 IOPS] < 1185.20 us>
SEQ 128KiB (Q= 32, T= 1): 6883.982 MB/s [ 52520.6 IOPS] < 603.50 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 32, T=16): 3567.549 MB/s [ 870983.6 IOPS] < 569.94 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 1, T= 1): 85.108 MB/s [ 20778.3 IOPS] < 48.04 us>

[Write]
SEQ 1MiB (Q= 8, T= 1): 4942.741 MB/s [ 4713.8 IOPS] < 1694.28 us>
SEQ 128KiB (Q= 32, T= 1): 4887.813 MB/s [ 37291.1 IOPS] < 856.51 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 32, T=16): 3359.537 MB/s [ 820199.5 IOPS] < 618.97 us>
RND 4KiB (Q= 1, T= 1): 307.056 MB/s [ 74964.8 IOPS] < 13.26 us>

Profile: Default
Test: 1 GiB (x5) [C: 75% (698/936GiB)]
Mode: [Admin]
Time: Measure 5 sec / Interval 5 sec
Date: 2023/02/08 6:58:51
OS: Windows 11 Professional [10.0 Build 22621] (x64)

[blazing musk]

Random performance is low but that can be easily explained by free space

Some drive controllers tank the performance above 50%

[formal tusk]

I'd open up the laptop to see what they're using to heatsink the ssd

Some use thermal pads to the shell, others small metal plates

If you're lucky they might have something reserved for a 2nd ssd in there already

Happened to me in the past

[urban steppe]

And the drive I found that supposedly matches has already been ordered. At some point I'll find the right harddrive enclosure to attach to this laptop to access my old PC's drives and setup the new laptop's future. I have a few SSDs left behind and a 2TB spinner for bulk storage. I want to get a 2TB SSD to clone backup the 1TBx2 RAID 0

I'm waiting on Gigabyte's response regarding warranty before touching a screw.

[blazing musk]

They legally can't deny you warranty just for opening it

That's US law, literally

[urban steppe]

Well there's two screw hole areas that look like they have tiny tape circles over them..

[blazing musk]

Those "warranty void if removed" stickers are illegal

In order to deny you a warranty claim they have to prove the damage they're repairing was caused by you, which has a high bar for proof rarely met.

[urban steppe]

And I have a background that likely adds up to more experience than their own techs

[blazing musk]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

[urban steppe]

How has Gigabyte's rep held up over the past decade? I know they used to take a lot of pride in triple checking the quality of their output. They used to relentlessly test their components.

[blazing musk]

About as well as any average company in general

They have their share of the infamy same as all the other brands lately

I have heard nothing but good things about their laptops with only a couple outliers

[urban steppe]

The only note I found about this laptop's shortcoming is the charging plug location, and it's a lower power variant so the 3080TI isn't tearing up clockrates as much as it could, but that also means I have a more efficient laptop that tackles more sophisticated GPU loads without sweating. It's a pro/con situation, and I do live fulltime mobile as an RVing disaster response coordinator, so there's something to be said for not drawing 3-4 hundred watts.

[harsh sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ALaAed69o&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

[blazing musk]

11 year old video why?

[harsh sage]

why not

[dawn sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mBHIHmnuQ4 this just popped up

booting OS

[dense merlin]

Yes

[kind sierra]

European numbers, very fun

[blazing musk]

This is why we always say 4.0 isn't worth it except for workstation use

[small carbon]

(Sata) ssd sure was an advancement. Wish I just had em in my XP days, lol.

[blazing musk]

You needed SP3 and by that point Vista was out anyway for SATA

[small carbon]

Vista near release was poopoo anyways, & skipped it completely. More just would've been fun not using a hdd for os so long.

[blazing musk]

I skipped Vista too. Hell I skipped XP. I was on 98SE for years.

[small carbon]

My dad had 98se & 2K when he did a pc tech school. By chance my 1st pc was around 2001-02 so XP it was. Might've been late enough that my disc had SP2 already. Sp3 sure helped a lot indeed. Gamed on XP a lot for 3 or so yrs.

[quiet gust]

Can someone help me find a list of mb chipsets that support sas+sata drives? not sure if there's even one...

[kind sierra]

Are expansion cards not an option

[quiet gust]

Well I mean if one of my pcs supports sas I may save a lot of money

Cuz I want to run at least 2 disks and as I saw expansions card (pcie) are really expensive (and apparently they cost more if they have more sas/sata ports)

I read online, just for some specific chipsets, that they have compatibility for sas sata, example: h310, I do have a h310 in my 2nd build but none of the 4 drives even spin or get recognized

(they could be all dead but that seems almost impossible)

[blazing musk]

It's not so much about the chipset, it's up to the board model which ones have SAS

[quiet gust]

That makes sense, that's why my asrock h310 doesn't support sas
Many people were talking abt some dell h310 mb but I thought it was all about the chipset

Thanks, I'll check if any of my other computers supports sas

[olive glade]

Any thoughts

I'm thinking of getting this

[sour wadi]

good drive nice price

[small carbon]

Clear your DC notifs, lol

[blazing musk]

P3 was a NAND lottery iirc

Could be good or bad depending

[real lava]

p3 is cheapest ssd here

well if i ignore transcend

their speeds are horrid tho

like 1600 mb/s r/w lol

not that it matters for my use case, but idk about the nand

[formal tusk]

6W is pretty normal for an m.2 yeah?

[real lava]

sounds average

only the efficient ones gets lower

[sour wadi]

P31 go brr with 2w

6w is high at least for gen 3 probs standard for gen 4

[formal tusk]

Hey at least it's standard

[sour wadi]

Why you wondering?

Laptop ssd upgrade?

[formal tusk]

my capture card is 6W and needs a X4 slot 💀

[sour wadi]

Smh my head

[formal tusk]

yeah I'm considering jank rn

[open gazelle]

Could maybe find spec on PCIeSig. I dont feel like making an account to check something so trivial, thanks PCIeSIG.
https://pcisig.com/specifications

[formal tusk]

Yeah someone said it's 14.35W

From trusty reddit 💀

[sour wadi]

Well then it's completely reliable

[pulsar iris]

but some thing is missing with in the moment of the nine

[lone vapor]

what are some fast ssds that are fairly cheap? looking for a 1tb

im looking for an m.2

[blazing musk]

MP33 is old reliable, SP A60 is good price right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/64MTwP,7tCFf7/

[sour wadi]

If you want faster, there's solidgrim p41 plus for about 60 atm iirc

[blazing musk]

$59 ye https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3s92FT/solidigm-p41-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu010tzx1

Overkill for most people tbh

Even for the foreseeable future

[worn trail]

Are there any 5.0 NVME drives for sale currently? A bit curious.

[lone vapor]

wow thats crazy

i spent $60 on my bx500 1tb 💀

[sour wadi]

It has some sweet random for a 10$ over good budget drives tho

Basically p41 platinum rands

Delicious

[hazy stump]

hello is anyone willing or able to help me out. I am trying to clean up my computer and my drives and I am not a very tech person sadly is anyone able to chat with me sometime and help me out?

[blazing musk]

Don't use a vacuum, use a can of compressed air or a handheld compressor/blower. Also don't let fan blades spin freely. Other than those things there's nothing to worry about.

[hazy stump]

my problem is that one of my drives ha 261 GB free of 1.81 TB and I want to clean up the space but simply don't know how

[blazing musk]

Oh you're cleaning up the DATA

Not the computer itself

[hazy stump]

yes sorry I did not say that

[blazing musk]

https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download/standard

That'll take care of old junk data, browser cache, etc

[hazy stump]

i will take a look thanks

[small carbon]

Just go through & uncheck some settings you don't know about, or at least glance em all over. 👍

[cerulean monolith]

K, so i was trying to do a cloning thing for a buddy on a new SSD. did the process and tried to extend the volume to the 2TB volume but it wouldn't work and said it was invalid for some reason? not sure if the partition is to deal with it.
so what do i need to do in linux or windows to fix this and extend the volume to use the full volume?
*Disk 2 is the OS drive

[real lava]

Delete the new volume in disk 1

[cerulean monolith]

????
so its disk order related or?
cause if anything thats how the motherboard may have arranged it.
Disk 1 was added after the original M.2 was in

[real lava]

wait

how many drives does the system have?

[cerulean monolith]

3, gonna be replacing the os Drive, Disk 2, which was installed before any of the other drives were added.

[real lava]

hm well

im honestly clueless about this lol

and is there any empty or unallocated partitions?

[cerulean monolith]

on the drive im trying to replace there is, but it always gives it as an error being an invalid action.
may have to reorder partions or something

[real lava]

perhaps

a clean install of windows might solve this

[cerulean monolith]

can this pariton be re-ordered on linux?

[real lava]

yes

if you don't want to do that it's possible

[blazing musk]

So you're cloning your old OS drive onto a new one?
Try using Macrium Reflect to clone the drive

[cerulean monolith]

i did, its just that when trying to extend the 500gb old clone to the full volume of the os partition to the full capacity of the new 2tb drive, it would say its invalid to do so.

[blazing musk]

You need to move your last partition to the end of the drive, then you can expand the volume

[pseudo harbor]

Any 2tb m.2 recommendations

[cyan needle]

Crucial P5 Plus 2TB Gen 4 NVMe, 6600 MB/s read - $122.99
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p5-plus/p/N82E16820156281?Item=N82E16820156281#

[pseudo harbor]

any recommendations for something thats ready

might jus snag a 980 pro since they have a good track record but idk if there are alternatives

[cyan needle]

oh rip, it was in stock earlier.

[cyan needle]

give me a bit and I'll look. I'm about to throw steak in my air fryer

[pseudo harbor]

all good

[cyan needle]

MP33 for $108
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-2tb/p/N82E16820331431
MP34 for $5 more. (I have this one for my game drive and it's amazing.)
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-2tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331735

[small carbon]

Sn770 is good too. 980 pro price isn't even close to these others

[cyan needle]

Sn770 for $120
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-2tb-sn770/p/N82E16820250218

[pseudo harbor]

ill snag the sn770

[small carbon]

Same on Amazon, if desired

[pseudo harbor]

thx for the recommendations

i was originally looking at the 770 but it was out of stock at bestbuy

forgot to check alternatives

[sour wadi]

If you want that fast get the sn850x, 980 pro is dated

[blazing musk]

Plus 980 pro has that firmware bug that's killing drives

[pseudo harbor]

gotcha

purchased the 770 so ima jus wait 4 that

[fast pier]

help my drive is not work for some reason

[blazing musk]

Open Windows update and make sure "receive updates for other microsoft products" is turned on in advanced options. If it was off, tell it to check for updates after. Then open up the "optional updates" section and hit the drop down on driver updates. See if there's a nvme driver there.

[quiet gust]

what would be the cheapest option to connect sas drives to a regular pc? Expansion cards? Id like to stay within 50€ and be able to connect at least 2 of my drives

[gritty monolith]

Place wants 3k to recover a harddrive??

[blazing musk]

If the disk isn't spinning any more then that's the only option. It has to be opened in a specialized clean room and the bits read manually to put the data back together.

[gritty monolith]

Really got no other options??

That’s so expensive

[blazing musk]

In cases where there's physical damage to the drive components causing it to not spin (or scratch), yes that's the only option.

If the drive is spinning but the controller is fried then you can swap the controller and cross your fingers

[gritty monolith]

What’s this mean?

Self diagnosable?

Expensive?

[blazing musk]

You can swap a controller yourself but depending on the model it probably isn't easy and may fail. How good are you at soldering?

It's pretty cheap at least, you just buy the exact same drive off ebay and pull the controller

[gritty monolith]

Actually very

I’m well above average in terms of soldering proficiency

[blazing musk]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmUE2F9sGE8

Exact steps will vary by drive but it's very important you get the EXACT same drive

It might be worth trying this because even if you fail the data is still recoverable the expensive way, but there is obviously still risk involved

[heady salmon]

I’ve been trying to find some new ram, and I need help

Does every stick of ram have to be the same brand and model

I currently have oloy blade rgb ram, and I am wondering if I need to get the same thing if I want more

[ebon dome]

Theoretically, no. Practically, yes. As long as the RAM has the same CL timings and same rated speed you should be fine, but sometimes there are slight variances between brands and models that cause them to not be compatible with each other. It’s one of those things that’s fine until it isn’t

If you’re happy with the performance of your current RAM, you should try to get more of it. Otherwise I’d recommend selling it and starting fresh. What CPU do you have? Some CPU’s also have a preference between 2 or 4 sticks

[harsh sage]

lol that guy is great

[heady salmon]

i have a i5-12400f
i would get more of the same ram but it is expensive tbh

wait

nvm its on sale rn

its 3200mhz

$52.99 is it worth for another 16gb

[blazing musk]

Considering you can get a 2x16gb for $63 you might be better off selling what you have and buying this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

Or buy used memory, there's no moving parts to fail and it's pretty unlikely one would be bad

[heady salmon]

alright

wym by selling tho

like any ideas how

[blazing musk]

ebay

[heady salmon]

alrighty

ty

[blazing musk]

Or facebook market

np

[heady salmon]

ok

[blazing musk]

Should be able to get $30-40 for your used kit of 2x8gb 3200

[heady salmon]

ty

[harsh sage]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363975651463

9 drives for under 70 bucks

maybe ill do that stupid SAS RAID array in my daily after all

[harsh sage]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133481123885

[harsh sage]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134079799441? HEHEHAHA

[blazing musk]

The SAS array? ehhh it'll be "fast" but low capacity

[harsh sage]

Yea it'd make more sense to just buy an ssd, but I wanna do it for the stupid fun of having that in my daily

[blazing musk]

That's a LOT of power for a "just for the lulz" idea

15k drives are hungry

[harsh sage]

Depends on what you consider a lot of power

[blazing musk]

SSDs use like 4-6W soooo

[harsh sage]

About 9W per drive according to the datasheet, for those 15k ones

iirc the 10k ones were like 5W

[blazing musk]

10k

Almost as much power lol

[harsh sage]

Yea it's not a huge deal tbh

[blazing musk]

Multiply that by 9 though and it becomes a drain

[harsh sage]

Oh I wouldn't use all of them at ones

Once

Probably just 4 or 6

Should've specified, mb

[blazing musk]

Still that's almost as much power as a 1050 ti uses including the controller card

[harsh sage]

What's the problem

[blazing musk]

BTW if you want to run a hardware raid off that you'll need a different card, since that's only a HBA

[harsh sage]

Nah I'm not doing hardware raid

[blazing musk]

Software raid is fine then

Or unraid w/e

[dapper lake]

How to put my new ssd on my os?

I just put it my new ssd and it doesn't show up in my task manager except my hdd

[blazing musk]

Are you trying to copy you current OS to the SSD or just using it as a secondary drive?

If you're trying to clone your OS that's easy enough. Use Macrium Reflect.

[quiet gust]

Is there any way I can check if a sas HDD is working? I have a bunch of 4tb sas drives but no motherboard to try them, I've tried to plug them to a normal sata motherboard but I only get som sort of click when they're powered but no spinning, could it be because they're just not compatible so they don't start?

And one thing I don't really get is that the asrock h310cm hdv/m.2 should be compatible with sas-sata drives, I have the non-m.2 version of the mobo but it looks strange that the mine doesn't support those drives...

Btw I asked chatgpt to get a list of sas data compatible mobos, I hope it's not wrong

[dapper lake]

copy it to my current os

[blazing musk]

SAS drives don't work on SATA ports, but SATA drives work on SAS ports (with adapters)
You'll want a HBA card with a couple breakout cables. You can do 4 drives per mini SAS port.

[quiet gust]

There are some motherboards that support sas drives while using data connector with an adapter, it may not off all the features sas has but at least you can connect them
I saw it from a video of a person with a Asus z270 if I remember correctly. The only problem is that I'd like to know if they at least work, I just want to see if they at least spin before eventually buying any motherboard to make the sas server

[blazing musk]

HBA cards are fairly cheap.
It's possible they might work on a consumer board but you'll need the right cable. Standard SATA doesn't work.

[quiet gust]

How are they cheap? I've found them at really high prices and usually 2 sas ports

[blazing musk]

2 SAS ports supports 8 drives

[blazing musk]

Check eBay

That one is $40 and includes the breakout cables

[quiet gust]

Cables? Could you send a link for some cheap ones

[blazing musk]

There's also old HP raid cards for like $30

[quiet gust]

Like separate cables

I wanna see

[quiet gust]

Those are mini sas to sata cables

[blazing musk]

https://a.co/d/gpR7lCV

[quiet gust]

The sas connector should be like both power and data since it's a sata connector all melted into one single long connector

[quiet gust]

Hhh
I've already got that one, but it's the motherboard that should support sas through SATA ports... So they basically do nothing

[blazing musk]

Yeah sounds like your board doesn't support SAS protocols then

[quiet gust]

Well
I know.

I was wondering how I can get the drives to work, without having to spend like 100€ for cuz it's be better to get a 4tb sata hdd at that point

[blazing musk]

Here's what you'd want with the HBA card
Cable Matters Internal Mini SAS to SAS Cable 1.6 Feet, 0.5m (SFF-8087 to SFF-8482) https://a.co/d/557UFry

[quiet gust]

Either a hba card or a LGA1151 mb that has sas (1151 cuz I already have some CPUs)

[quiet gust]

This would be the right one, thanks. Still need the hba card to get it working, the only thing I'd like to do is these those drives to see if they're alive and I can avoid wasting money on useless hardware that I won't need

[blazing musk]

You can resell it or return it

[quiet gust]

Yeah I could but it'd be better to know if the work before even buying anything

I'll figure it out

[vocal sluice]

I need a 1tb ssd for just games would one of these be good or something else https://a.co/d/ie4azpW
https://a.co/d/5NHdbWE

Also I have gift cards for Amazon and best buy

[blazing musk]

I think the P3 was a grab bag of NAND so it could be really good or really bad.
The MP34 is good, though.

[vocal sluice]

I think I'm gonna go with mp34 because I already have the 512gb version in my pc and I think it's pretty good.

[fringe mesa]

Fal, I actually owe you a thanks for suggesting those SK Hynix P41 NVME. Best investment when I nabbed a handful last year, at $130 a pop for the 2tb models. When I compare them to my Kingston Fury 2TB, I stuck with the Fury a while, as they ran slightly faster. But after using them externally with my Steam Deck with external enclosures, picked up how the Fury slow down, a lot as data is stored on them. 500gb of game data and AVI format movies are what I stored on the Fury. Then Steam Deck, picked up quote quickly, the SK Hynix P41 picked up in speeds, not to mention worked very well with the Decks Linux system, despite a lot of false articles, claiming incompatibility. Oh, if I take out the microSD, and boot up the deck with only the crappy NVME inside, and the sk1 externally via the docking bay, the Steam Deck runs better and faster, than without it. Sort of like how my Z690 loses 90% of it's boot up speed, should I attach a SATA drive. Now if I could only install a SK Hynix P41 2TB in place of that garbage 500gb one, and keep it cool, would definitely be worth the investment. I like my Steam Deck more than my Nitro laptop. I use a mini illuminated keyboard, Forty4 Xbox controller with LED display, which is handy for the times the deck sleeps, and switches to Nintendo Switch controller mode. Used to drive me nuts wondering why my past controllers started misbehaving. The LED tells me what's going on. I'm actually now looking for similar, with better program ability. Gota hate when I buy a not so cheap one, to find out the foreign manufacturer, either no longer exists, or no longer makes a product, in favor of the next system. Shoot, that reminds me. Gota buy a few more 3ds games, before the Nintendo store drops the 3ds permanently, in March.

I have tried a few enclosures for my NVME drives. One that works great with the SK Hynix, I'll post link below. Lost an older rocket NVME due to heat build up, running Terraria off one terrible enclosure. The one Im showing, has a very quiet fan, and allows the NVME to run it's full speed.

M.2 NVME SATA SSD Enclosure Adapter Reader with Cooling Fan, Tool-Free USB C 3.1 Gen 2 10 Gbps NVME, 6Gbps SATA,Chips RTL9210B External Solid State Drive for PCIe 2280/2260/2242 M Key/B+M Key https://a.co/d/8H9OB4t

Be nice if they made an external one for 4 cards.

My z390, tried a 3x express card last year with 3 fury NVME, but sent it back when I did the 3 new z690 builds. Ran into conflicts on older board, and new builds only wanted the newest equipment.

Bbl

[quiet gust]

Are you supposed to put a sodimm ram stick on this hba card? Tha heck

[real lava]

looks like it is

[blazing musk]

Yes. It probably has a raid controller which requires some memory for cache.

[quiet gust]

Would it be any memory? As far as it's compatible like DDR3/4

[blazing musk]

Yeah pretty much any stick that fits

[quiet gust]

Btw I found a cheap hba card for 30€ on eBay, and 15€ mini sas to *4 sas cable i guess I'll get that cuz it's much better than spending almost 100€ on a motherboard+CPU with sas sata support

I asked my father if he has the cable and he's checking so it could even be that I spend only 30€ total if he has one

[cerulean monolith]

yo, on ubutu but dunno how to manage the partion like said before. can't seem to find the supposed program

nevermind, found the program. just gotta reorder it now... but how?

to let dis m.2 have space

[cerulean monolith]

okay, done did it. now the boot sequence messed up. usin my recovery win tool. what am i lookin for?

[cerulean monolith]

i did it, nevermind. ty

[vocal sluice]

Would a team group MP34 or MP44L be better?

I notice MP44 is gen 4 and higher speed but doesn't have DRAM.

[dense merlin]

The mp33/mp34 is fine for gaming, you will not notice a difference between the three

[vocal sluice]

What about mp44L

Should I just get mp34

Mp44L is barely more money that why I'm wondering

There also sn570 and 770 not sure how those compare

[dense merlin]

If you're gaming, you will not notice a difference

[vocal sluice]

I'll get mp34 then

Since it's a good price

[small carbon]

I suggest sn770 if still $120ish

[quiet gust]

Should I be trusting HBA sas cards from AliExpress as far as they have some and good reviews?

[sour wadi]

Dies in 100$ p41 plus

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[torpid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/uninstall-cat-uninstall-cat-cat-typing-cars-gif-21897402

[harsh sage]

Instant downgrade smh

[indigo condor]

how can I move all files except my windows files from my C drive to a different drive? I wanna clean up my C drive without moving windows. Is there a program?

[upper quiver]

ik its a bit late, but you can move the personal files you wish to keep, then wipe em out on the C drive with this right in windows settings

[turbid crater]

My friend has a 120gb m2 as boot drive he is getting a mp33 1tb m2 he wants to replace his 120gb

How would he go around doing that

[blazing musk]

Macrium reflect can clone the OS and everything for you

Including expanding the main partition to fill the space

[turbid crater]

Is that a program? He has a a320 motherboard

[blazing musk]

Yes it's a program

[tender cobalt]

Hi, question. I bought a Synology DS220+ NAS and two hdds, Seagate Ironwolf 8TB NAS 7200 RPM (ST8000VN004). The hdds are very loud on write (read?) when installed in the NAS. They sound like a manual pepper grinder. Way too loud and annoying to have on my desk. I haven't taken the drives back out to test them individually, so I suppose I don't know whether it's both drives or just one. Is this noise normal/expected for a NAS drive of this size? Are there quieter drives on the market? I want 4TB of storage or more, ideally.

[blazing musk]

Drives intended for NAS use aren't exactly focusing on low noise (Seagate especially) but it still shouldn't sound like grinding. You can run a SMART test from the OS interface, that should tell you if there's anything wrong with the drive itself in case of hard failure.

There's absolutely quieter drives on the market but there's a tradeoff. Low noise, high speed, reliability, pick 2.

[tender cobalt]

My bottleneck is the ethernet connection out of the NAS, so I'm not worried about speed. I pick low noise and reliability. What drives would that steer me towards?

These drives are brand new, so I wouldn't expect failures, but... Can I do SMART tests within the Synology OS (Disk Manager), or do I need to pop them into a desktop computer?

[blazing musk]

You can do it from the synology os

[tender cobalt]

Thanks. How do I do it? Can you point me to a tutorial?

[blazing musk]

https://kb.synology.com/en-ro/DSM/help/DSM/StorageManager/disk?version=7#Analytics
These would be pretty low noise because they're 5400 rpm and WD drives are known to be very reliable, with most drives having a failure rate of less than half a percent vs seagate that has between 2-5% failure rate. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D3MWMNZ

[tender cobalt]

Great, thanks!

Wow... at $240/8TB those WD drives are $110 more expensive than the Seagate Ironwolf ones I bought

[blazing musk]

Seagate drives are cheap for a reason. You sacrifice noise and reliability on many models.

[tender cobalt]

Are those significantly better than this lineup of drives, which is more in the same price range of the Seagate?
WD Red Plus 8TB CMR NAS Hard Drive HDD - 5640 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, 128MB Cache, 3.5" - WD80EFZZ
https://www.newegg.com/red-plus-wd80efzz-8tb/p/N82E16822234504
$150

The headline specs look similar, so I imagine the differences must be buried down in the spec sheet

[blazing musk]

That's an OEM model so there's differences to cheapen it like having half the cache, which really hurts on a large drive.

If you don't mind shipping from Hong Kong https://www.newegg.com/red-wd80efzx-8tb/p/N82E16822235063

Again that's a model with half the cache though

You could go for the $150 ones if you wanted, they just won't be as responsive

[tender cobalt]

well, I have about 20 days left in my return window for the Seagate drives, so shipping from Hong Kong probably won't get here (Maryland) in time to test them against the Seagate ones

is the main difference that they have half the cache?

I don't precisely know what the cache does, so I'll have to read up on that

Thanks for your help so far, I'll keep looking at this tomorrow

[blazing musk]

https://www.alphr.com/what-is-hard-drive-cache/

Those $150 drives would work fine probably, but in longer write operations it'll slow down dramatically due to the reduced cache

If you're mostly doing smaller writes or a one time large write then that's a non-issue

[quiet gust]

Will it make any big difference if I get a hba sas expansion card with ram (sodimm)?

[real lava]

ram simply acts as cache

but it does help somewhat due to ram being fast

[quiet gust]

€ 24,53 | Per P410 512MB 462919-001 Smart Array SAS SATA RAID Controller Card FBWC 578882-001 PCI E RAID Expander
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKV4KPG
So this one should be good...? It's the cheapest one on AliExpress and the connectors facing that way make it easier for it to be installed into a sff optiplex 3050

[quiet gust]

Ooh okk, I didn't think about that...

Looks like it is a ddr4 512mb module

[real lava]

should work ok

[quiet gust]

I'll get that + cables for a total of 37€

Noice

Hope they arrive soon and they work fine

So I think at the end of the month I'll be able to set up the 10TB server

[tender cobalt]

That's exactly what I do. Lots of little writes. Very occasional huge ones, which I don't mind waiting for.

[tender cobalt]

Re: The difference in reliability between WD and Seagate: Very good to know! Where do you find info on failure rates? Is the WD80EFZZ drive among WD's low failure rate drives? (0.5% as you say?)

[real lava]

puget systems and many other tests conducted and posted online shows the results

also im guessing it's not model dependent, but rather the series or brand as a whole that's measured

[minor sun]

Hey where'd you get those numbers? If you're using backblaze data, it's not fair to Seagate when they've only used 3 higher end high capacity WD drives when they use 13 different Seagate models, and they've used Seagate drives more than WD drives, with way higher drive days and data going back further

And as an example of just how old the Seagate drives in their data is:
"The 6TB Seagate (model: ST6000DX000) drive is the oldest in our fleet with an average age of 92.5 months. In 2021, it had an annualized failure rate (AFR) of just 0.11%, but has slipped a bit to 0.68% for 2022. A very respectable number any time, but especially after nearly eight years of duty."

From

[tender cobalt]

On a separate topic, what's the currently recommended 2TB NVMe drive?
I've seen previous notes (earlier in this channel) about the MP33 and MP34. They're each $107.99 right now:
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-2tb/p/N82E16820331431
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-2tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331735
But neither is listed at https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_list.php
How do they stack up against other drives?

[blazing musk]

Silicon Power A60 is in the same class as the MP33 and it's $95 right now https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxfFf7/silicon-power-a60-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp002tbp34a60m28

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/silicon-power-p34a60-m2-nvme-ssd

[robust river]

Hey @blazing musk legend not sure if you remember me but a friend of mine installed windows 11 on a brand new build via something called Ventoy. Not sure why they used that- but- I believe it was fine for a while and was working okay. They just shipped the computer somewhere, and now it wont boot to windows. I dont think there is any damage.

We are trying to boot off of a Samsung 980 pro. It already has windows 11 . and again, was being used for quite a few days. The issue is that the drives are not detected as boot drive when secure boot is on and CSM is off.

I tried enabling CSM - it worked to make the drives show up, but it still wouldnt boot to windows (which i am not surprised as I think windows 11 will not boot without secure boot)
I tried disabling secure boot - same thing as above
fTPM is on
DOCPII is on (for DDR5 ram) and i tried with it off as well
its all new stuff - 7600, asus b660-ef

Tried everything i could think of

and i just tried converting the driive to gpt if it wasnt already (whcih i think should be impossible if it was already working before) and it seems it IS already gpt

I appreciate any bit of help!

Im close to just reinstalling windows 11 with a normal boot drive tho

but even then, it doesnt confirm that booting will work

in the installation tool, the drives ARE recognized with secure boot on and all that

Maybe #windows-ios is a better place

lol

[blazing musk]

A 980 Pro?
Uh oh.

Was the firmware updated?

[robust river]

The bios firmware? No

There is an evo in there as well

Which also does not get detected

[robust river]

I was considering doing this as bios updates have really helped me a lot in random positions

But its weird still bc windows was already working on this version

Definitely weird

[blazing musk]

No not the bios, the 980 Pro firmware

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1499822/update-your-samsung-900-series-ssd-firmware-right-now.html

There's a bad firmware version that a bunch of 980 Pro and 990 drives got that corrupts the SMART data, making the drive appear to reach the limit of writes that can be done which in turn forces the drive into read-only mode. That makes it impossible to fix or boot from the drive.

The affected drives go read-only after a few weeks of use in some cases, depending on how long the drive is on.

[robust river]

Oooooh

Hmmm hmm hmmm

@blazing musk i see- but like i said the other evo drive also does not show up

In bios

I can also see it in windows installlation tooo

Tool

The evo and the pro

[blazing musk]

Is there an OS on the evo?

[robust river]

Nope

But the evo does show up when i turn off secure boot and turn on csm

As a boot option

[blazing musk]

That would probably be fixed by updating the bios

Also which sata port is the evo in? Sometimes if you have a M.2 drive in it disables certain ports

[robust river]

The second ome

One

I read the board manual this board supports those two slots

At same time for sure

Ig ill go for a bios update

[blazing musk]

Oh they're both M.2?

No regular SATA devices?

[robust river]

There is a 2tb hdd

[robust river]

Correct

[robust river]

Thjs is also not detected lol

[blazing musk]

Did it happen to have an Intel CPU in that build

[robust river]

Amd 7600

No intel sir

[blazing musk]

Ok so Intel RST isn't the issue

Go ahead with the bios update and see what happens

[robust river]

Oki ty

[formal tusk]

Hey weird question

For hardware raid, raid 5 or 0

Not linux, just windows

Do all the drives need to match?

Pretty amateur question ngl but I have a rather perfect world situation with raid experience

Possible to combine sata ssd's and nvme in raid as well?

I would be perfectly fine with Raid 5 if it was possible

[blazing musk]

Raid 5 you'll need 3 drives but that extra peace of mind is worth it for the long run to make sure your data isn't slowly corrupted

Technically the drives don't need to be identical but they should be the same size for best performance

You can combine SATA and NVME but I don't know why you would want to since it'll slow the nvme down to sata speed. The nvme alone would be faster than 2x sata drives. Even 4x for that matter.

Remember that RAID is only as fast as the slowest drive multiplied by the number of striped drives, with a little overhead subtracted.

[formal tusk]

Hm ok

Yeah so reading here I'd need to go Linux to run ZFS for non-matching sizes

[blazing musk]

Correct. Non-matching you need a software solution like that.

[formal tusk]

Sounds, like a lot of pain

Great if I had this from the beginning but I do not

[blazing musk]

Honestly hardware raid is slower than software raid most of the time anyway

Yeah a ZFS would be something you want to set up with a new build, it's a pain if it's already in production since you need to format everything

[formal tusk]

And surely windows has no software answer for this either by the sounds of it

Like Linux I'd be somewhat ok with but not Linux's compatibility

[blazing musk]

Technically you could run windows storage spaces and extend volumes across multiple drives but it's not ideal

[formal tusk]

[blazing musk]

Works great on identical drives, mismatched... not so much

[formal tusk]

How about instead of raid, a software that will run the drives in series but recognised as one drive in windows?

Technically I will have matched speeds on all my sata but not sizes

[blazing musk]

That's storage spaces https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/storage-spaces-in-windows-b6c8b540-b8d8-fb8a-e7ab-4a75ba11f9f2

[formal tusk]

So what's not ideal about it then?

[blazing musk]

Just from a performance and overhead standpoint

[formal tusk]

Even if they are all 560mb/s drives?

[blazing musk]

It'll work but not perfectly like a solution designed for the problem

[formal tusk]

I'm not really in any caring of the perf gains, just consolidation

[blazing musk]

Then a storage space could be the solution for you. You can make it a simple space that just consolidates all the drives, and then you create a filesystem onto that.

It also has options for parity and mirroring if you want

[formal tusk]

Yeah something like, lord how much space would that be...

7tb, 1tb parity

Maybe even 500gb parity

Cos i have 500gb drives

[blazing musk]

It'll auto configure how much parity you need based on the total size of the pool

[formal tusk]

Ah ok

[blazing musk]

You can always add more drives to the pool later if you want too

[formal tusk]

And it'll all just run at like it was one big sata ssd ye

Speed and perf

[blazing musk]

Basically yes

[formal tusk]

That's perfectly fine. Overhead?

If it strips cpu perf I'm not that keen

[blazing musk]

It'll still be faster than a standard sata drive. There's not a lot of CPU calc needed, and some system memory.

[formal tusk]

So if you had to impose a guess on how much cpu power

Like, an rgb app or something

[blazing musk]

That's a big "it depends"

[formal tusk]

Le oof

[blazing musk]

Definitely not iCue level of resources

[formal tusk]

Oh if it's less than icue then I'm fine with it

LOL

Ok I've never had icue that bad on me

Less than regular icue? That's fine

[blazing musk]

I can't click today...
Stupid iCue I've actually seen it use 12% of a 5800X at idle

[formal tusk]

Jesus how much rgb do you have

Were you using like screen mirroring or something

[blazing musk]

Not me personally but that was 12 fans with a very simple pattern

[formal tusk]

Lmao

Time to go p12 max

Alr I'll look into storage spaces

I don't mind having like, a few nvmes to choose between but the sata on top? I thought it'd be a good time to consolidate

I'm going to get these old hdd's out and keep them spare and grab some ssd's, then upgrade my network storage to 11tb instead of 8tb

Step in the right direction anyway, I've been hanging on to these for a while now

Cheers Fal

[robust river]

Bios updated. Issue persists

Might just clean install windows 11 at this point idk what else to try

Got a pic of his bios

Its picking up the nvme’s

Not a boot option tho

Bet

[blazing musk]

Since the boot loader is on the 980 and it's refusing to boot then I still think it's killed itself with the bad firmware

Try to write to the drive and you'll see

[formal tusk]

When you use ventoy you need secure boot off, I don't know if this is already known

[robust river]

Bet

[robust river]

I had no idea i wasnt the one who used it, but, i can turn it off and try it

[formal tusk]

Ye ventoy is basically like, choose what os you want to run

But it needs secure boot off or it won't start

I believe it's popular for linux as you can choose which os you want

[blazing musk]

Most Linux distros need secure boot off anyway

[formal tusk]

Yeah

It could very well be the drive could be dead

[blazing musk]

It was working until it wasn't

[formal tusk]

You could pop out the 980, stick it in another pc and check with crystaldiskinfo

If it's gone full read only mode you could at least save the data but samsung won't honor any warranty for that issue sadly

Bit disgusting tbh

[blazing musk]

If you wanted to do hard mode sure. Easy mode is boot the windows installer, shift+F10, make a folder

[formal tusk]

Or macrium in the other pc

[blazing musk]

If it's write protected it'll error

[blazing musk]

Completely unreasonable and I'm pretty sure if someone challenged it in court they'd have to pay out. There's no way it's not a "manufacturing defect" when thousands of these drives shipped with this firmware.

[robust river]

Awesome

Ill try this

[formal tusk]

Pretty much

I don't think samsung could hold that stance

That's what consumer watchdogs are for

[robust river]

Hey so if the 980 pro killed itself is it dead forever? Or can i fix it

[formal tusk]

You should be able to get the data off it in a read only state

Should be

But if it's actually in that state or otherwise dead then no, can't fix

[robust river]

That suuuucks

Hopefully thats not the case then

Also

For Some reason i cant even get it to boot to ventoy lol

Any ideas why secure boot options are greyed out?

Cant select “other os”

[blazing musk]

What brand motherboard?

[robust river]

Asus

Its the

Asus ROG Strix B650-A Gaming Wifi

Really pretty

[blazing musk]

You need to delete the secure boot key before it lets you disable it

[robust river]

Aaaaaaa i se

See

[blazing musk]

PK management key specifically

[robust river]

Thank you

For some reason when the boot usb is in those options are grey

So odd

And theres no actual disable to my knowledge just seeing either “other os” or “windows uefi”

[blazing musk]

Other OS should work

Also "setup" mode if "disabled" isn't an option

[robust river]

For sure ofr sure

I tried@very hard tonight im packing it in. Thank you again as always

Ill prob be back trouble shooting tmr haha

[quiet gust]

3D printed a 2*3.5" HDD support for the optiplex 3050 so I can now mount at least two of the four 4TB drives. Just waiting for the hba card

[ripe sandal]

Not sure of blu-ray disc's count as storage devices, but I was wondering if anyone knew if it's safe to clean then with rubbing alcohol?

[robust river]

@blazing musk do u know how i can make a folder in installation media command prompt?

Trying to do that thjng and just cannot figure out how to make a folder here

Lol

md c:\example

I tried this

x:\sources

^is where it is currently selected

Nvm figured it out

Look

Made a folder

@blazing musk drive is not dead then

So now i have no idea what to do at this poitn mught just fresh install windows

[robust river]

^

Doing that

[worn trail]

The samsung drive issue. Does it also affect the 970?

[blazing musk]

Not that we're aware of. Only the 980 Pro and 990.

[worn trail]

okay good.

[blazing musk]

I take Sunday off of Discord so I'm just getting back in.
Just want to make sure you're aware the drive you made the folder on was labeled as "games" and doesn't appear to have a Windows installation, so I think that's the 970 and not the 980 Pro.

You can figure out which drive is the correct one with
diskpart list volume

[robust river]

Hey!

So i ended up reinstalling windows and everything worked

And i recognized that later

I have no idea what my friend was doing with the parts but

There was some major bug going on

Still dont know the cause but what i know for sure is that the pro didnt break, and was already fully updated

Both drive were fully formattef and the system is working great when i did it (my way) lol

Something was definitely weird

Wait

Ehh i got an idea of what may have done it but i doubt

The hdd wasnt plugged in when it arrived. I dealt with that issue after getting everything fixed.

Maybe the guy accidentally had the os in the hdd, which did have a 100mb second part on it when i first saw it

But i never actually look at what was on it i just immediately formatted everything

Idk it was a weird couple days but now its all good and great

[blazing musk]

Windows does that sometimes. It'll put the bootloader on a different drive for some reason.

Glad it worked out for you in the end

[robust river]

Yeah that may have been it

I just immediately put the hdd not being detectdd on the backburner l

Lel

Hey im thinking of doing a micro pc

Do you think its doable to make a micro powerful pc for all thjngs editing but can fit in like a bag for the plane

My biggest issue is monitor

[blazing musk]

Totally possible. I've seen full desktop PCs that fit in a suitcase.

Including the monitor.

For example

It'll be helpful if you have access to a 3D printer, but that's just for the finishing touches to make it look nice.

[robust river]

That is literally perfect

I am inspired

I still have my old 3090 too and some other parts to work with might have to go for it

Ty for the inspo :)

[quiet gust]

So two days ago I bought a hp p410 462919 001 sas/raid controller (or whatever you want to call it) but I forgot to check compatibility, hp website provides a old datasheet and i have no idea if it'll work on any system, running windows 10.

Could anyone help me check if it'll work on a dell system either running win10 or 11, so just in case I can at least block the order if still possible.

[blazing musk]

I see people running it on windows 10 as recently as 2019.
For giggles, the original documentation

TF is x84

[quiet gust]

I can't find hardware compatibility neither, do you think it'll work on any pc, any motherboard? Because I read some people saying it would only work on hp motherboard, mainly server ones. But idk if they're just saying random things

Of course read it on Reddit, that place can both be helpful and also create a total mess in your mind with ppl saying whatever they want

[blazing musk]

They're probably just going by the official list, it'll work. PCIe is universally compatible after all.

Worst case you set the slot to gen 2*

[quiet gust]

Ok, what about configurations, firmware, drivers, will I need to set up some stuff, right?

[quiet gust]

The one I got is a 8x gen2

So no worries for that anyways

[blazing musk]

There's firmware for the controller you can update, if you're lucky you can configure the raid through the bios but if not there's a utility from HP in Windows.

[quiet gust]

I won't be using raid, just storage expansion cuz I have a bunch of sas HDDs

[blazing musk]

Driver I'm not sure but it should just install

[quiet gust]

Oke

I'll probably use raid for 2 drives if possible but not more

I also don't have much space for hard disks in my optiplex

I had to 3d print a 2 slot thing to fit them in the smol case

[blazing musk]

One thing to keep in mind is it only supports SATA II and SAS 6gbps

Newer drives will just run at that lower speed

[quiet gust]

Ok, I'll use some 6gbps sas drives and I also have 12gbps but I guess I'll just not be using full speed for those

But does that man that 6gbps is 75MBps of speed for each hdd

Oh shoot
That's slow

[blazing musk]

No 600MB

[quiet gust]

Ah wait
No, my math is broken

[quiet gust]

750MB/s?

[blazing musk]

Overhead

[quiet gust]

Mhmh

[blazing musk]

I'm talking real world, theoretical can stay in paper

[quiet gust]

But why do they make 12gbps sas drives if they don't reach those speeds?

My dad found this 400GB SSD, and it says 12gbps, like some of the other hard drives. But the SSD won't probably even reach 450MB/s

Idk why but I had the idea to buy the hba card off AliExpress and not eBay, they were cheaper on eBay and also had 2*mini sas to 8 SATA cables

For like 30€ card + cables

Waait,... Is the 6/12gbps bandwidth like something that has to do to more users to acces tha disk at the same time? I know sas is used for that because it's supposed to be fast even for may clients accessing the storage

[quiet gust]

Sussy ssd, 12v is strange for one, maybe it is a hybrid hdd-ssd thing

[blazing musk]

That's a SSD? 12v is normal and 5v is still in SATA spec

[quiet gust]

I've always seen 5v SSDs

That's something new for me

Btw I just checked why I didn't choose a 12gbps hba, they cost waaaay too much, much more than a 6gbps one

[blazing musk]

M.2 only does 3.3/1.8v

[quiet gust]

Yeah, m.2 I knew that, but normal sata SSD usually are 5v only, I know this cuz I always powered SSD externally with the usb adapter that acnt provide 12v

Also because on the label there's always 5v, never ever saw 12

[blazing musk]

Dang it now I'm curious and I want to pull my side panel to check my drives

[quiet gust]

Just hope the card arrives soon, wanna make the MC server and my home server for big ass storage

If I buy another breakout cable I'll be able to use 7 drives in the server, but I have to figure out how to put the 2.5" HDDs in

More 3D printing

[blazing musk]

Yep 5V 1A
I'm surprised it's even that many Watts, it's a "green" drive

[quiet gust]

Sometimes you also find 2.5 hdd that only use 5v, I love those because I always used them to expand storage inside client-pcs like dell wyse 5010

[quiet gust]

They say 1A but it's usually even lower, and of course it's always worst case scenario so probably 2w average for normal SSD use

[quiet gust]

What would an average lifespan for a 10k rpm sas drive be? the ones I have are from 2015, just to make a guess on when they could possibly fail.

[stuck dome]

So I got an nvme ssd with windows but it’s on a amd pc just upgraded to a Intel pc I wanna reuse the ssd as an OS but got no idea how to clean the ssd before putting it into the new system

[blazing musk]

It should work if you just put the drive into the new system, and then you can use the PC reset feature to effectively reinstall Windows, at which point you'd install all the proper drivers.

It may restart a couple times while getting the drivers ready to change platforms. This also only works if you don't have secure boot or bitlocker on.

[quiet gust]

[harsh sage]

gimme

[quiet gust]

I'm developing some kind of addiction for sas drives

Got 8x 400GB ssds, 3x 2TB 2.5" hdds, and 4x 4TB 3.5" hdds

At this point I can't fit more drives in my upcoming server

[harsh sage]

I mean I'd you don't have space for more

I'd be happy to take them off your hands

[quiet gust]

oh no

[worn trail]

Having a hard time deciding between 2x2tb KC3000 or 1x4tb sn850x for storage in my new build.

Sn850 4tb is $440 vs kc3000 2x2tb at $340 however doing the kc3000 would mean I'd only have 1 slot left for a gen 5 work drive once those are out.

Thoughts?

[blazing musk]

Could do P3 Plus (gen 4) 4TB for $250

SN850X is also $420 on newegg rn if you're set on that, and I'd personally prefer a large single drive unless you wanted to RAID two together.

[dawn sand]

4TB

[worn trail]

how does the p3 perform against the sn850x or kc3000? Using it for workstation use until gen 5 drives come out at a reasonablish price.

[worn trail]

sad part is that I can go through that type of storage pretty fast.

[small carbon]

P3 plus* is more like gen3.5. Ah forgot 4TB goal.

[sour wadi]

Those advertised speeds are so dumb usually anyway it's almost like looking at grey to grey pixel response

[dawn sand]

Wait I got you

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pcie4-card-21-m2-ssds-168tb-31gbps

There thank me later

21x4TB drives

[blazing musk]

That would be awful to use, less than 1 lane per SSD and the motherboard has to support that much bifurcation to begin with

[open gazelle]

mobo bifurcation isnt needed for that

[blazing musk]

Ah it has it's own controller then? I didn't read it

That would make sense

[small carbon]

Idk what their workstation use is but it's still makes P3 plus pointless

[dawn sand]

So good then right also it does take 2x6 pcie power cables tho

[blazing musk]

It would still be limiting the speed of the drives but at least compatibility is a little less of a concern

Maximum speed is the same as using 4 of those M.2 drives

[dawn sand]

might be less speed but if itys for pics or movies or games seems okay

[sour wadi]

How so?

[small carbon]

Pointless between the 2. You know

[formal tusk]

Really p5 plus only 10 more over sn770?

That's, kinda nice

[sour wadi]

Oh well p5 plus is on sale, currently duh but it's usually like 180$

[worn trail]

Rendering, and 3D modeling.

After I get a gen 5 drive the gen 4s will be used for games.

[worn trail]

What kind of performance boost does raid 0 offer?

Is it really like 2x performance if I am using 2 drives in raid 0?

[blazing musk]

It's a little less than double because of overhead but there's also no error checking in case of corruption

[worn trail]

ahh I see.

[lone vapor]

hi, im fed up with my current ssd, I want a new m.2 ssd that isnt too expensive, but is good

i have around $100 and im looking for 1tb

[quartz dagger]

i saw an sn770 for $60

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q2MW21F

if youre looking to spend more, this seems marginally better

it does come with a preinstalled heatsink which might be nice

[lone vapor]

ok

ill prolly get that

im actually saving up for a new monitor rn but this is probably worth it because now every day that I get on my pc im met with unusable lag because my computer is so slow cuz of a bad drive

[dense merlin]

2tb 670p is $80

[quiet gust]

BX500 or pny cs900, just to know: which one would be better? Pny is about 10€ cheaper.

[small carbon]

Both dramless. Bx500 might possibly have better warranty/service. What's the mx500 price?

[quiet gust]

It's 62€ (1Tb)

Btw I don't have to buy one, I just wanted to know which one would be better so I can make a choice when building other pcs

What SSD with dram would you recommend? (Non m.2)

[real lava]

mx500

or wd blue

860 evo and 870 qvo

[small carbon]

I would just do mx500. Pretty much the top sata ssd next to 870 evo, but the Sammy is probably overpriced.

[real lava]

i merely laid the options there in case sales pop up, but yeah

mx500 is generally cheapest alongside wd

[unborn kayak]

Iam using this rn and I have 2 more slots, could you guys recommend me something I could plug in there except for the exact same thing? (its not even available) 😄

https://imgur.com/volyNuA

[real lava]

I wouldn't add more

Buying a new kit is better than getting two different kits to populate 4 slots

Cause for one, running 4 sticks is much harder on cpu's imc

Another is mixing ram can be unstable

[unborn kayak]

aww 🥲 Thank you! Do you happen to know of any decent-price kit that would be an upgrade?

[blazing musk]

What processor do you have?

[unborn kayak]

I have Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz 3.70 GHz

[blazing musk]

Ok, and did you have a Z390 or Z370 motherboard?

You can't really do much more without overclocking

[unborn kayak]

BaseBoard Product Z370 AORUS Gaming 7
yeaaah

[blazing musk]

Ok. In that case you can probably get a kit of 3600 c16 memory and hope it works for you out of the box with XMP. Worst case you need to bump a couple voltages, we can help with that if it's unstable.

You could sell your current kit for about $50 and make this a $40 upgrade. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907

[unborn kayak]

I thought I might find an easy way to upgrade for D4 hahah, but only temporarily... The next year I was thinking to make a whole new build coz I know there are some limitations with the one I have. Is there any recommended time to start doing it all?

[blazing musk]

Pretty much whenever you're in the market for an upgrade is a good time

We're past the shortage issues of the last couple years

Ideally you'd save up and buy everything at the same time, just in case something is broken you're still in the return window

[unborn kayak]

Awesome!!

[blazing musk]

You could easily carry that DDR4 forward to a new build though, so it's good to upgrade whenever

[unborn kayak]

This is what I got 6 (7 in december) years ago. Should I have about the same amount when making a new build that would last about the same time? Idk if this is the right channel https://imgur.com/O9VUCa0

[blazing musk]

Things cost a lot less now actually. You can make a very solid build that'll last you for years with about $1500.

Probably less since you can reuse some parts like the liquid cooler and PSU.

[unborn kayak]

(I was hoping to give this PC to my spouse LOL)

[blazing musk]

In which case a $1500 build will be great still.

[small carbon]

Yea, now ram is 1/4 the price & ssd could be 4x the size & 1/2 the price.

[blazing musk]

Here's an example of a high tier system that'll last you a long time https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VRFp6r

Could also do AMD 7900 XT if you wanted, saves money without losing any raw performance, just a couple minor features

nvm they're the same price now

You will want to upgrade to at least a 1440p monitor too, good ones start around $300. Otherwise you're wasting potential on the GPU.

[small carbon]

$2 higher cooler option:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ckwypg/thermalright-frost-spirit-140-778-cfm-cpu-cooler-frost-spirit-140 (when can we delete embeds on mobile, lol) -- nice trick. 👍

[blazing musk]

Put <> around your link and it won't embed

https://www.google.com/

[unborn kayak]

this looks awesome, thank you!!

[blazing musk]

Lists like that are usually only good for a few days while sales last, so when you've got about that much saved up and are ready to buy let us know and we'll put a new list together that's updated

[unborn kayak]

Awesome!! Let me finish the semester and then look into it in case something goes wrong I dont have to deal with it. Really appreciate the advice!!

One last thing, is this bad?
https://imgur.com/7flhojy It says 12 percentile lol

[real lava]

Userbenchmark is crap anyway

I wouldn't worry

They mix results of overclocked kits and everything

So you running stock seems "poor"

[blazing musk]

?ubm

[river lichen]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[unborn kayak]

ooo:D

[blazing musk]

It could be correct and you don't have XMP enabled though, you can check with CPU-Z on the memory tab. Double the MHz to get MT/s, so it should be 1500 MHz.

[unborn kayak]

Let me go check

[blazing musk]

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

[unborn kayak]

Mmmm I guess I didnt enable it 🥲 let me do it rn 😄

[blazing musk]

Free upgrade in performance (that you paid for already 🙃 )

[unborn kayak]

There is one more option in bios. Memory enhancement settings (Relax OC, enhanced stability, normal, enhanced performance). Should I even touch this? 😁😅

[blazing musk]

Nah don't worry about it

[unborn kayak]

I can tell it’s faster now lol. Thanks again!

[dreamy ferry]

I thought my ssd died, so I replace it. New one was working great for a couple days. Now my pc won’t boot. Any ideas?

[dreamy ferry]

Different SATA port worked.

[lone vapor]

does anyone know any ways where I can transfer all of my data from one drive to another and also make a new drive the primary drive?

idk if thats possible or makes sense

[blazing musk]

Use Macrium Reflect to clone your current drive, tell BIOS to boot from your new drive, and then delete all the partitions off the old drive. Then you can create a new partition for data storage.

[lone vapor]

ok, im prolly just gonna get rid of the old drive

👍 thanks :)

[rapid sky]

Not sure where to ask this but here goes. I thought I would see what would happen if I basically plugged the drives to my old computer (I got it almost a year before Skyrim came out, Windows 7) to the motherboard, etc to all the left over parts from upgrading my current PC. So, it basically didn't work; it just couldn't seem to find the bootmgr. I also saw a screen about a repair. But I just shut it off and then plugged them back to the old components, but now when I turn it on, it just gets stuck on certain parts of the boot up sequence. Like it would just be a black screen, or just the Vaio logo. All I can do is manually shut it off or restart it. Was this just a totally bad idea or what

[real lava]

It's generally a bad idea to swap drives between machines at the first place due to the difference of drivers, hardware configuration and boot config

In this case I think it's because the OS install requires uefi and secure boot to be supported and enabled in order to boot properly

[quiet gust]

Finally arrived :)

[rapid sky]

On the new hardware, I would get a screen that said it couldn't find BOOTMGR, but after swapping back to the old hardware, and restarting it only twice, it's back to normal it seems. Perhaps I got lucky

[rapid sky]

Also when viewing folders on my Windows 7 it shows three drives, but I only see two SATA cables. Is the C drive connected to the motherboard in its own way or something?

[blazing musk]

It's either multiple partitions or there's a M.2 drive directly connected to the board without cables

You can find out from disk management if you're curious, right click the start menu.

[small carbon]

Also scroll down and/or adjust the middle "bar". Disk management is funny like that.

[rapid sky]

Hm they all say primary partition

[harsh sage]

baller.

[river coral]

samsung SATA 2.5 4TB storage https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089C5P5SX?th=1 PRICE: $217

samsung SATA 2.5 1TB (cheaper than the one on amazon) https://www.newegg.com/samsung-1tb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147793?Item=N82E16820147793&SoldByNewegg=1&quicklink=true PRICE: $64

[real lava]

those prices honestly suck

apart from the 4tb one which is fairly decent in its own right

cause you can get 1tb ssds faster than sata for less money

[formal tusk]

Go a55 or MX500

If you need sata those are good

[river coral]

my friend had told me to "get sata because it will be less work on your mother board" (even though motherboards are pretty good with handling stuff anyway 💀 )

[formal tusk]

Ehhhh 💀

Never heard such a thing before

Nvme is fine, a lot better in fact

[river coral]

he prolly was just tryna convince me to get sata because im stubborn

[formal tusk]

NVMe has less wires, integrates right in, low power and much faster

[real lava]

lol that's a lie

sata is inferior in all ways

nvme is newer and far suprior in all fronts

[river coral]

oop- 💀

[real lava]

motherboards also has their own pcie lanes

[formal tusk]

Good sata ssd? Sure, very usable. But value for money over NVMe is basically non-existent these days

[real lava]

not only from the cpu

^

there's no additional loads put on mobo or anything

it's just using pcie lanes

[river coral]

damn. i feel very betrayed by my friend

[real lava]

all an nvme ssd install process takes is a screwdriver and the ssd itself

mobos come with screws and standoffs already

[formal tusk]

Meh, friends are worth more than this

Next time you convince him something stupid urself 💀

[river coral]

YOOO BET

[formal tusk]

Like adding salt to his thermal paste makes it perform better

[dense merlin]

I personally add some milk to mine

It doesnt mix very well but it smells lovely after a couple days

[woeful solar]

it also helps conduct electricity

helps with overclocking cause you get more volts

[worn trail]

......

i'm praying that your joking.

[dense merlin]

No ofc not. I also like to add some bacteria to my aio

As well as my pet fish

It got a little cooked but i think it's fine

[worn trail]

lmao.

👍

[dense merlin]

Lil snack for later

[woeful solar]

don't overcook it

the fish will not swim faster

[river coral]

is this good?

https://www.newegg.com/kingston-2tb-snv2s/p/N82E16820242731?Item=N82E16820242731&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-Ho4xXIBi40dsf4_YJs3QBw

[real lava]

nv2 is decent

nand is random between lots tho

so i'd just get mp33

[river coral]

i have no idea what youre saying 🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️🧍‍♀️

mp33? lots? what? 🥲

OHHH THIS THING? https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-2tb/p/N82E16820331431?Item=N82E16820331431&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-8TLetfqxHD37CF4JxOVOvg

[real lava]

hm so mp33 is a bit more expensive

it's up to you then

[river coral]

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p5-plus/p/N82E16820156281?Item=N82E16820156281&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-BvlX_sZUqL06dX9v5i7NqQ this one is pci 4 tho and 20 more?

[real lava]

not that worth the increase in price

the speed you won't notice in gaming and usual stuff anyway

[dense merlin]

670p pog

[river coral]

thank you

[quiet gust]

How do I get my hp p410 hba to work in windows? Whenever I power up my pc it takes a lot to configure, but I think that's normal, when I get into windows it shows in device manager the card but I guess I'll need some sort of drivers (maybe firmware too)

[quiet gust]

@blazing musk could you help me :)

[blazing musk]

https://support.hpe.com/connect/s/product?language=en_US&sp4ts.oid=3883933&kmpmoid=3883933&tab=driversAndSoftware#t=DriversandSoftware

[quiet gust]

most of the windows software is for the 2008 or 2012 server version, and i'm running win10, will it work the same?

I'll download this rn, because i'm assuming I'll need a software to manage the drives

@blazing musk i installed SSA ^ and the software works, but it doesn't detect the controller, maybe i need to get drivers but they're all for win server edition

[blazing musk]

It should still work the same

Worst case you install it in compatibility mode for Windows 8

[quiet gust]

ill try drivers first, firmware could brick the device if it is incompatible right?

[blazing musk]

Technically yes

Same as a motherboard

[quiet gust]

but is updating it really necessary?

if it works do I need the most recent version?

the driver installer is stuck and doesn't respond...

tried win server 2012

jk, it's done

[blazing musk]

Firmware might be up to date already. Once you can see it check the version.

[quiet gust]

still cant see the controller in hp ssa

[blazing musk]

Rebooted? Showing in device manager?

[quiet gust]

it always showed in device manager, ill try rebooting

device manager also says that there's an error with the contoller

[blazing musk]

What error?

[quiet gust]

Error 10, (error with controller i/o)

It gave me that error even before I installed the drivers

[blazing musk]

That's a driver error

Basically it's saying "I don't understand this device"

Actually you know what

Try seeing if Windows Update has an optional update for the driver

[quiet gust]

Lemme see

I also had installed some drivers provided by bit driver updater (I use it on many devices to get basically all drivers I need) but still not working

[blazing musk]

No surprise there, it's not exactly a common device

[quiet gust]

If all of this doesn't work should I try installing windows server 2012 instead of 10 🗿

[blazing musk]

Looks like there was a change in the Windows driver system in 1709 that made these stop working

1703 works

[quiet gust]

Looks like it is some sort of win 8

[blazing musk]

Yes 2012 is basically a proto-8

[quiet gust]

Yeah, I read that on the Microsoft community

[blazing musk]

There's a VMWare driver if you want a hacky workaround lol

[quiet gust]

You mean I should try that?
I rebooted and it didn't work

[blazing musk]

No it's a bad idea, no point running a whole OS in parallel for one device

I wonder if there's a modified driver that runs on newer Windows

[quiet gust]

I have no idea, I can check, but Ill need some help to dig around the internet

Just found one for 8.1 which may work with 10 I have no idea how to "install?" Them as it is like a txt file

[blazing musk]

ini?

You can tell device manager to update driver and point it to that file

[quiet gust]

It's a .inf file

[blazing musk]

Same deal

[quiet gust]

Oh well

It says the most recent drivers are already installed

[blazing musk]

It's not a valid driver or not compatible then, or it's the same as you already have

[quiet gust]

There's also a sys file, do I try the same thing?

[blazing musk]

You can point it to the folder instead

Looks like Linux still has the necessary driver built into the kernel, just fyi

[quiet gust]

Still doesn't work

Found nothing, if you find anything please tell me.
I'll try tomorrow, I need some sleep
Bye

[quiet gust]

Got win server2012 installed, I'll try installing a bunch of stuff and then try the hba

[undone salmon]

dunno if goes here but

I bought a fan hub with fans

and it has a 4 pin peripheral connector

Where do i connect it to?

Looks like this

[quiet gust]

your PSU should have that connector, do you have a modular power supply?

just fyi: questions about power supplies and othe kind of electronic stuff should go in #cases-psu-and-cooling or #electronics

@blazing musk I'm running win server 2012 and i installed both software and drivers for the hp p410, still can't see the card in hp ssa

What do I do now...? Try some other drivers?

[blazing musk]

That's a good start

[quiet gust]

I just watched a few videos online to get more information about this controller and what I can see is that when it first initializes at startup you should be able to access some sort of management for the card by pressing f8, but it doesn't work on mine... Huh?

This is taking so much time and effort, and can't find a solution, at this point I'm thinking I should send this card back and find another one that is less difficult to work with

[clear matrix]

The samsung 980 pro SSD is 75 rn on amazon but thats without the heatsink

its 100 with it is it worht it

[clear matrix]

When i bought my SSD, Iv never updated it nor did download the firmware for it should i do that

TEAMGROUP MP33 1TB SLC Cache 3D
NAND TLC NVMe 1.3 PCIe Gen3x4 M.2
2280 Internal Solid State Drive SSD

[blazing musk]

I really wouldn't get a 980 pro right now. There's more issues that have popped up besides the major firmware bug that kills them. A recent Windows update breaks write speeds for example.

[blazing musk]

There aren't any firmware updates for the mp33

[clear matrix]

oo okay wont order it then

[clear matrix]

oh ight ty

[blazing musk]

MP34 has updates but the site doesn't have MP33 ones

[clear matrix]

Is there a ssd around the same speed as the 980 pro for similar price?

[blazing musk]

1TB?

[clear matrix]

Yea

[blazing musk]

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

Whoops that's 2TB

But it is a really decent drive so I'll leave it there. It's only $10 more than that 980 pro for double capacity.

[clear matrix]

oo Okay

[blazing musk]

Here's one. S tier, which is defined as "for extreme workstation use and HEDT". Same tier as the 980 pro. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09F5P2JT8

[clear matrix]

alright cool, should i order it with a heatsink

[blazing musk]

It's going on your motherboard right? Does the slot you intend to use have a heatsink built in already?

[clear matrix]

Yea on my mobo and no my mobo only came with 1 heatsink D: whch is what im currenlty using

[blazing musk]

Then you can get one with a heatsink if you wanted. I seriously doubt it'll make any difference at all unless you're doing long read/write operations at max speed. That would be 70GB+ transfers.

If you did get a heatsink make sure it'll clear the GPU too

[clear matrix]

wym

ohh

Yea it does

my ssd isabove my gpu anyway which is coo

my 2nd one is right behind it

[blazing musk]

Sure but if you use the slot that's hidden under the GPU (double check that it's 4.0) make sure it's not so tall that it hits the GPU shroud.

Oh it's one of those that has 2 slots stacked?

[clear matrix]

PRO Z690-ADDR4

[blazing musk]

Right so slots 1, 2, and 4 are gen 4 slots that you can use. No worries about clearance since slot 4 should be far from the GPU.

[undone salmon]

Semi modular, what would the cable look like? Also soz for wrong channel i thought i was in psu

[blazing musk]

It'll look something like this

[clear matrix]

oo okay cool

[undone salmon]

That is indeed not there

[blazing musk]

Semi modular will probably have that molex connector on a separate cable

[undone salmon]

Alright so ima assume i need to order one then

[blazing musk]

An adapter would work if you don't have the cable. Which that cable 100% came with the PSU unless it was in a prebuilt.

[undone salmon]

Just opend the PSU

All cables came in a bag

it wasent in there

[blazing musk]

Well you can always use an adapter https://www.newegg.com/multi-color-startech-6-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200061

[undone salmon]

Where would i plug this into

[blazing musk]

SATA power

Sorry, this would be the correct cable https://www.amazon.com/12in-Molex-Power-Cable-Adapter/dp/B00GK8SYCW

Connectors were reversed on the other one

[undone salmon]

Ah that makes more sense

i was getting confused

on the 1st one u snet

Alright thanks!