old-cooling

[knotty sparrow]

It's also overkill in a way that makes it a little hard to get memory in sometimes

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P4KH7QK?th=1

But that can be worked around as long as you only have 2 sticks

[foggy violet]

oh truuu idk why i didnt even think about this

[knotty sparrow]

That cooler can handle just about anything short of the top sku Intel chips

[foggy violet]

dope

(since i dont see a general builds chat)
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb/p/N82E16820374523?Item=N82E16820374523
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P4KH7QK?th=1
and a 7600x
with the motherboard you saw in #cpus-mobo-and-memory , i have a 450W EVGA in the closet (from a old pc) and an RX580 4GB (to get by until i can afford better) in an old case... i should be golden right?... or at least silver LUL, including upgrade path

*and bringing drives over from my current system

im an idot i found #building-and-recc-chat

[knotty sparrow]

Which model EVGA because that could be anywhere from fine to a bomb

You could save a few dollars and get this memory, adata is a good brand. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8TV2FT/adata-xpg-lancer-blade-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ax5u6000c3016g-dtlabrwh

[foggy violet]

uhhhhh ill verify but i think it may be this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xDMwrH/evga-450-br-450-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-br-0450-k1

[knotty sparrow]

BR would be C tier so at least it's not dangerous. It would be enough to use for that system until you upgrade the GPU.

[foggy violet]

which the next upgrade would be to something like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MGzFf7/asus-rog-strix-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-rog-strix-850g-white or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2gCZxr/seasonic-focus-gx-750-atx-30-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-atx3-focus-gx-750

before a gpu would be considered

[knotty sparrow]

Depends on the GPU you'd be upgrading to

[foggy violet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZCCZxr/sapphire-pure-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12-gb-video-card-11335-03-20g

is what im looking at

[knotty sparrow]

650W is enough for that

Heck 550W would be enough but the 650W have been better deals lately

I'd probably do this since there's the white theme going on https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R4Gbt6/corsair-rm750-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020231-na

It's only a few dollars more than lower power white units

[foggy violet]

tbh 650W is on my radar, the 750/850 is partially for like.. long term upgrades and all... 850 just... i wish that asus came in a lower one cause i would totally get a 650-750 of that since i found that its a seasonic at heart.... and whether i should or shouldnt be im kkindof set on a sea sonic whether badged or not...... i was going to send earlier but ended up in somewhere with nearly no service.. ill pick up in #building-and-recc-chat i guess since this is general talk about my build to be

[sacred wren]

Believe this is B tier 750 at $75 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DKpQzy/deepcool-pm750d-750-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-r-pm750d-fa0b-us

[cobalt imp]

Corsair was kind enough to upgrade me to the XT version of the H150i Elite Capellix after I had to RMA mine do to pump failure after only 11 months 👌🏼 back up and running, stress tested and ready for the flight sim!

[cobalt imp]

I have the Thor 850W and love it..especially since it comes with braided cables from cablemod

[tranquil ingot]

Nice!

[tranquil cove]

What are y'all's thoughts on this Coolmaster cooler? https://www.newegg.com/p/2YM-0004-000V6

[marsh badge]

bad

likes to leak

you can alternatively buy frozen notte

[tranquil cove]

Interesting. Out of curiosity is this an experience?

[marsh badge]

nah, but it's a widespread issue

[tranquil cove]

Link?

[marsh badge]

https://www.newegg.com/thermalright-cpu-water-cooling-fan/p/2YM-007N-00017

[tranquil cove]

Also also looks pretty nice 😍😍

[marsh badge]

ya

[tranquil cove]

@marsh badge do you personally have any thoughts on:

Cooler Master Hyper 622 Halo 51.88 CFM CPU Cooler

I have it already have it delivered, but I've ordered the liquid cooler this morning that you have suggested... The thermal right

[knotty sparrow]

It's a below average dual tower, probably about as good as a decent single tower. Definitely not worth the $60 they're asking, especially when there's much better dual towers for $40.

[wide lion]

Anyone here!

I need you in my dms now

I am taking apart my cooler

I need help asap

[strange flume]

First impressions of MX-6 !!

REVIEW!

(Review, review, review)

First impressions after this short ad commercial !

https://tenor.com/view/corsair-cadeira-gamer-ale-gif-19950968

Ok first impressions

meh.

To be totally unbiased though, it's still way cheaper

NT-H2 is and never will be worth twice or three times the price for that

Slight adjustment and I cut it down to 5W less

And 100MHz less

On this 5900X

Goin brrrr

3W, 100MHz

Fixed it

It's the same now

All core is a bit lower

50MHz?

But power pull is basically back to where I remember it

Give or take a watt

New opinion, mehhh

💀

[languid gale]

Get PTM

[strange flume]

I will legit

Next time

When I require paste

[rotund sable]

kpx gang

[balmy mantle]

so ide assume this would be a valid place to ask about a case/CPU cooler kinda thing, due to a cpu ive been wanting to get for a lil bit now going down in price ive decided to nab it before it gets jacked up again XD, and thus now needing a new cooler to keep up with it being (CPU in question: R7 5800X3D, case in question: Sahara P35, and finally cooler in question: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE) would the case width be sufficient to house the cooler or would i have to find a slightly shorter cooler?

[balmy mantle]

(and as a side note just from looking above would MX6 be a better option over Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut)

[knotty sparrow]

Yes that cooler fits that case. The cooler will come with paste that's normally good enough, but MX6 makes a decent cheap upgrade that gets you a couple degrees better.

Part of your cooling problem is going to be the solid front panel so you might need to take that off to improve airflow

[balmy mantle]

it has vents running down the sides of the front panel

plus that front panel is where all the top IO is connected to so removal of that wouldnt be ideal

[marsh badge]

the side vents does basically nothing

fans will still not get air

[balmy mantle]

seems to be cool enough for my current CPU to only reach around 40-45 on full load tho so its doing "enough" in some respect

[knotty sparrow]

The H510 elite also has vents and it's one of the hottest cases on the market

[balmy mantle]

then again shouldnt really be bragging that much its only a R7 2700 so...

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah the 2700 only uses maybe 80W of power if you overclock it lol

The X3D is a totally different animal

[balmy mantle]

still poses a problem for the front panels issue of being not easily removed despite the fact once if removed leaving the entire thing open

and im not currently the most available to be flinging money around for a better airflow performant case

[knotty sparrow]

It's mostly something to keep in mind if the new CPU is still overheating, even with that beefy new cooler

[balmy mantle]

it shouldnt overheat too badly tho with my currently 40% bottlenecked GPU finding new ability to show its true colours with the addition of the X3D things might get a lil toasty

but hell my rooms cold anyway XD sure it will suffer in the summer but ide rather be warm in these coming winter days XD

[knotty sparrow]

With the GPU dumping more heat into the case from being under more load it'll add to the overall case temperature.
The room being cold won't matter if it's not able to get enough of that cold air inside.

[balmy mantle]

if it really does boil down to the point where i need a new case ill just have to suck it up to my renter and see if they can make a little deal

current situation for me rn

also bout the previous question would it be better with kryonaut or MX6?

[knotty sparrow]

The difference between the two is roughly 1 degree Celsius, but the kryonaut is significantly more expensive

Paste is one of those things that only matters to people chasing every single frame

[balmy mantle]

im looking at a small tube for just under 8 or around 7.78 while the smallest tube for MX6 being 8.29

maybe its just more expensive in the US?

[knotty sparrow]

The mx6 is a 4g tube while the kryo is 1g

[balmy mantle]

true

[knotty sparrow]

Which means price per gram, the kryo is roughly 4x more expensive

[balmy mantle]

understood tho was just asking which was better off

[knotty sparrow]

MX6 still because it's good to have extra paste down the road for other things like your GPU. The stock paste on those is often awful.

[balmy mantle]

as ive heard

tho earlier AMD cards didnt fall to bad paste XD their coolers were to blame

[knotty sparrow]

Specifically the XTX on a specific cooler, yeah

[balmy mantle]

anyway thanks for the information

[balmy mantle]

yeah that was a massive L

[knotty sparrow]

Happy to help. Keep an eye on those temps and we can suggest more things to help if it's a problem.

[balmy mantle]

ill keep that in mind

have a great day/night

[knotty sparrow]

You too

[untold stone]

I need a cooler for the ryzen 9 5900x

Air cooler

[sacred wren]

phantom spirit

[untold stone]

Mhm

@sacred wren this one right?
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-TL-C12B-Technilogy-Bearing/dp/B0BNDTJVPL/ref=asc_df_B0BNDTJVPL/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658906582553&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17438075208431112450&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027408&hvtargid=pla-2185632809900&psc=1&mcid=7bccf622d5043053abb9a1c815fa89df

[sacred wren]

yeah, or absically any dual tower cooler from thermalright around 35-40

[untold stone]

Les goo something nice and not a 100$ cooler

[strange flume]

MX-6 is also expected to last a lot longer than kryonaut, so not just 4x cheaper in one sense, but instead of 6 months you should get at least a year, maybe 2 years

Kryo dries out. It's performance paste, it's often not recommended by the more experienced

If you want to spend big on some of the best paste arguably, ptm7950 and iirc ptm7955(? Paste version) are up there for proven best

Also supposed to last as one of the longest*

[versed hare]

Anyone ever use the cooler master, master air MA620M?

[strange flume]

What did you want to know

[strange flume]

Thermalright TL-K12

looks like B12's with rgb

or noctua a12's, with rgb

or nidec gentle typhoons,

with

rgb

[versed hare]

@strange flume would it be OK to cool a 7800x3d?and keep it at good Temps.

[strange flume]

do you own it already or are looking to buy

[versed hare]

@strange flume I am looking to buy

[strange flume]

well in that case it's honestly one of the last options I'd recommend for an air cooler

as good as a silversoul tower for an nhd15 price

it ticks all the wrong boxes

for a 7800x3d you don't need anything expensive

it works fine on a simple $18 single tower cooler

like an SE-214XT

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YwbTwP/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb-white

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb

reference for your curiosity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgiBcD7bBaw&pp=ygURYnVpbGR6b2lkIDc4MDB4M2Q%3D

AMD stock box cooler vs a 240mm aio

so a cut above an expensive tower for cooling performance

[versed hare]

Ah ok. Had a noctua lying last build...loved it. But there hideous even the chromax. Thinking about going aio but I know their not the most reliable

@strange flume

[strange flume]

just a single tower is fine for a 7800x3d

even if you did say

take the noctua cooler, stick a new fan on it

that works

it's a very low demand design due to the fundamental issue with it's thick af IHS

[versed hare]

I mean I'd want rgb for sure

[strange flume]

you could easily to that

'

get something like a thermalright c12c rgb fan

good fan, dummy cheap

[versed hare]

Would the noctua dh-u12 be fine fkr the 7800x3d

Prolly

[strange flume]

this your old cooler yes?

[versed hare]

Yes but I no longer own the corner

[strange flume]

corner?

[versed hare]

Cooler

[strange flume]

don't buy a new one

reuse it if you have it, otherwise grab the id-cooling one I listed above

this is perfectly ample and it's $18

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/iFbAs3RHN7rOUvDO0snL4Yq8-gYsDBeACOsudolh8MU/https/m.media-amazon.com/images/I/5130uHBNUnL.jpg?format=webp&width=750&height=750

[versed hare]

Aight I'll look into jt

I don't trust aios

[strange flume]

it's not an aio lol

buying an aio for a 7800x3d would be ridiculous

[versed hare]

Yeah I know that's why I want an air Cooler

[languid gale]

What cooler for 13700k?

[shrewd juniper]

Do you already have a 13700k and cooler? Honestly don't see much point in buying a 13700k anymore

[languid gale]

MC bundle

[topaz blaze]

ive never installed an aio before

just got one its supposed to be less of a headache than noctua aircoolers right

installation?

[sacred pagoda]

I'd argue an aio is just as hard to install, if not more, than an air cooler

that being said I don't think either are that difficult

paste in between coldplate and cpu, tighten screws evenly

with aio you also have to place the radiator and manage tubes

[strange flume]

Frozen notte should be decent enough

[magic wave]

I'd say aio is probably a bit easier due to space and movement reasons

[topaz blaze]

yes the heatsink is quite a big larger than the aio pump unit

[magic wave]

instead of a heatsink, you simply have to install a block, so it's easier to access the screws

I only have heatsinks that are the size of an aio block though, and I've never taken them off :)

[dreamy locust]

Just got two Amazon basics CPU coolers for €15 total, that's a fair price
I wanna see how it looks on the sleeper build

[magic wave]

that's a thing?

interesting, it looks very generic which I didn't expect but literally fits the purpose of amazon basics

[dreamy locust]

Yes, they basically copied a cooler master one if I remember correctly and just changed up two small things other than the brand

It sure will be better than 95C with stock cooler on that old 4770 i7

[magic wave]

I can't imagine that's a hot chip

4790 and 4460 are both cool enough on really cheap and simple stock style coolers

[dreamy locust]

It's mostly because hp is unable to make it's hardware work properly, the fan barely ramps up only when it gets around 80c, but like... Idle speed still

You can't even hear it
They really just said quiet > thermals

So as soon as the CPU hits that 100w it starts boiling

[restive moat]

Hello I need help I bought I5 12600k and MSI MAG B760 Tomahawk WiFi motherboard
I need a good cpu cooler less than 100 CAD any recommendation

[knotty sparrow]

You won't need anything more than this unless you upgrade to a 12900/13900/14900, or if you heavily hit every core on the 700 ones
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0BN9ZFZ2X

[restive moat]

everyone keep tell me about Thermalright

I just want the pc for gaming i wont even OC the cpu

[sacred wren]

Thermalright is absolutely dominating the cooler market atm

Pa120 se and phantom spirit 120 se, as well as basically any other dual tower cooler from thermalright around $35-45 are among the best on the market, and are the best around that price

Aside from the silver soul line, but they're also the best coolers 130mm and lower that I know of anywhere around that price too

[restive moat]

I guess im gonna buy it

appreciate your help @knotty sparrow @sacred wren

[dreamy locust]

What a mess
New €7 cooler installed, let's see how it looks and performs

[dreamy locust]

Mhmh lookin good

[bitter marsh]

Hey does anyone have any recommendations for a fan hub cause the one I got from cooler master some of the ports went bad

[sage mural]

does this look about right

i'd like it a bit quieter

[shrewd juniper]

Should be fine, ye

[sage mural]

My temps seem to be fine but I swear my pc feels more warm to the touch than normal. I am perhaps overthinking it

Pc is noticeably loud upon walking in the room

Im gonna look into swapping the fans on my deep cool aio

[shrewd juniper]

Fyi humans are terrible at telling heat by touch so nothing to worry about really

Also your components temps vs case etc are gonna be massive

[sage mural]

Yea I’m sure it’s fine tbh, could probably never look at temps and be fine for years

[sacred wren]

@strange flume https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-EVO-Cooling-Heatsink/dp/B0CL8TJCMZ/

I love it

$45 premium cooler that looks sick as hell

[strange flume]

Wtf that should be actually better than peerless

GT fans

B12/K12

And then phantom spirit heatsink

[sacred wren]

AND IT LOOKS SO GOOD

[sacred wren]

Like I'm genuinely considering replacing my clc 280 with it

Bc of how sexy that looks

[strange flume]

You could

[sacred wren]

What would temp difference be like?

[strange flume]

Question of why but if you flip the 280 the ig it's fine

[strange flume]

Worse

Well, expected worse

[sacred wren]

I prolly won't I already have an fc140 if it fails anyways and I shouldn't spend the money

But it looks so good

[strange flume]

I'd consider it for my x3d build if things keep going wrong with it

[sacred wren]

When I actually have money I'm doing either a small matx or itx build for a TV

If I can I'm using that cooler

[harsh crow]

Could kind of chips could this cool?

Been considering air cooling for my server pc.

[sacred wren]

What cpu is in it again?

[harsh crow]

5700G, probably upgrading it to a 5950x or something more powerful in the future.

[sacred wren]

I think 5950x would be it's limit, but it should handle it

Check out how the phantom spirit or peerless assassin handles it

It'll be a bit better than those

[harsh crow]

I see.

[rotund sable]

bro no

why would you willingly downgrade like that 😭

[harsh crow]

Aesthetics 😉

[rotund sable]

the 280 looks better ngl

aircooling is for nerds

[strange flume]

Subjective

[sacred wren]

Yeah im not, but if I can use the 280 for my matx or mitx build I'll put it in that and get that one for my main build

[opal wolf]

Question

I got gifted an AIO

Is this fine with pump height?

[knotty sparrow]

Pump height is normally not an issue. If you top mount the radiator, you need to worry about RAM clearance.

[opal wolf]

Gotcha why is it recommended like this then ? Just so less air?

[harsh crow]

Because if there are air bubbles in the system sometimes it gets caught in the pump hurting the pump and also resulting in poor temps.

[marsh badge]

That..

Doesn't look right

[knotty sparrow]

There's always going to be some amount of air. The reason tubes down is recommended is because that traps the air in the radiator in such a way that it's slightly quieter than tubes up.

It's usually about a 2dB difference so it's not really necessary

[marsh badge]

My memory is serving me badly then, nvm on my statement

[sacred pagoda]

Quieter & pump also lasts longer, I think?

[tender harbor]

Hi guys, new here. Question for my PC build. I'm going liquid cooled and I'm looking for a jumper connector so the pumps turn on only to check for leaks. I have an Asus TUF Gaming 1000w PSU. Any idea which jumper connector I need off the Newegg website?

[knotty sparrow]

A paperclip will do

[tender harbor]

I know a paperclip will do, but I'm trying to find out which pins to jump

[daring hinge]

Hi to anyone that can help me put. So lately I been having GPU heating problems on the left side of the GPU. I have a Aorus RTX 2080 ti which been reaching temps up to 110c just from being on GTA or even Minecraft lol. I first thought it was my single fan Corsair AIO failing but it wasn't at all. Because the default gpu temp would sit around 50c on max load (which is the right side) of the gpu and then would see my hot spot temp reaching 110c.. so while being on the game, I removed the glass cover to see where the heat is coming from, which is how I found out its the left side. I also noticed heat was coming from the PSU which didn't help at all..

But any who, the gpu cooler that I'm using is just the Corsair H55 (single fan) on the NZXT g12 mount w/ the single 92mm fan beneath the gpu on the right side.

So this is where I need help to be honest. I been debating for a couple weeks if I should remove the g12 mount and replace it with an air cooler or should I keep the g12 mount but upgrade the AIO to a 240mm or something, with keep the g12, I was thinking of just also buying 2 120mm fans to put beneath the gpu to direct air outwards. But um yeah, any advice would help, thxs.

Also last minute mention is that I have just barely 5 inches of clearance from the PSU to the GPU (IF I REMOVED THE G12 MOUNT), but if I was to keep the mount, I would have just barely 4 inches.

[sacred wren]

Well first off, a 120-140mm aio is just plain awful

For cpus, a 120mm is the same as a $20 tower cooler

I'm not sure how that transfers for a gpu

I just don't see a point to water cooling a 2080 ti, id swap it to air and repaste, unless you really really want it with an aio

[daring hinge]

What kind of air cooler would you recommend? My biggest issue is just the clearance I have from the PSU to GPU.

[sacred wren]

Do you still have the shroud it came with? Or did it come water blocked

[daring hinge]

Can I dm you a pic of it, might help.

[sacred wren]

If you dont have a shroud atp id repaste it and swap to a 240mm

[daring hinge]

Yeah don't have the shroud, since I bought the pc a couple yrs ago on OfferUp. 🤦‍♂️

[sacred wren]

Ah alright

Then yeah I'd say a 240mm aio and put some new paste/pads on the gpu

[daring hinge]

Gotchaa, would you also recommend for me to add a fan to the bottom left of the gpu so any air from the gpu heat can go out? Or?

And do you have any recommendations on a AIO I should get? I know to get one that is Asetek, I was gonna get the ASUS ROG Strix LC II 240 ARGB since its on sale rn on Amazon but not sure tbh..

[sacred wren]

It doesnt matter much, as long as you have 2 or 3 fans bringing air in at the front and 1 exhaust at the back

[sacred wren]

I wouldnt recommend it, it's incredibly overpriced

Also, does your case only fit 240mm?

Or is 280/360 an option

For 240mm, any of these
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#X=0,5000&W=10240,10280,10360

[daring hinge]

Gotchaa, and 280 sadly can't fit, but I can do 360, so either 240 or 360.

[sacred wren]

If you can fit a 360 a 280 would fit

Unless case is too thin somehow?

[daring hinge]

Yeah exactly. I'm looking at the fan screws with the mount to where they go onto, 280 for sure would be too wide.

B/c the fans I have on the right are 120s

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99XV3C/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jFYRsY/thermalright-frozen-edge-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-fe360-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YXFmP6/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-white-v3
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZQBzK8/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-black-v3

Any of those four for 360

[daring hinge]

cool cool! thank u very much 🙏

[opal wolf]

Any idea what size mounting screws for artic 360? Mine didn’t come with them and I sent artic support a ticket

[languid gale]

M4s iirc

Not 100% sure tho

[lucid walrus]

hi

Is the Deepcool Assassin IV sufficient for the 5900X?

[marsh badge]

yes

[strange flume]

Use the peerless assassin instead if you want similar performance for like a third of the price

Or frost tower EVO for a bit more aesthetics and far better noise profile

[sturdy flame]

does anyone know what a good cooler would be for the i7 11700K?

[sacred wren]

Thermalright phantom spirit

[sturdy flame]

thank you

[sacred wren]

Actually correction, that's just best value for if you're in the us, if you're not it depends on pricing

Phantom spirit is $34 in the us and is among the best air coolers

[sturdy flame]

yeah I'm in the US

[sacred wren]

Ah kk all good then

[sturdy flame]

I'm building my first PC so I figured I'd ask around here for some help

[marsh badge]

first pc?

don't buy 11700k now

what's your budget for the pc anyway, i can make you lists

[sturdy flame]

around 1k

[marsh badge]

alright, does this have to include peripherals?

[sacred wren]

Oh I assumed you alr had it, yeah don't buy an 11700k for a new build

[marsh badge]

wifi?

[sturdy flame]

what does that mean

sorry I'm completely new to this

[marsh badge]

monitor, mouse, keyboard

headset and stuff

[sturdy flame]

no I already have that stuff

[marsh badge]

ok

[sacred wren]

What monitor do you have?

[sturdy flame]

my dad is big on pc stuff, he said that the i7 11700K would be a good choice for my budget

oh sorry

mb

[sacred wren]

Used it's OK value, but new it's a 3 gen old cpu and when something is out of production pricing new gets really bad

The 5600 at $140 and 12400f at $150 have the same/better gaming perf

7600 at $230 is a lot better

[sturdy flame]

is that an amd card

[sacred wren]

5600 and 7600 are amd cpus, the 12400f is intel

[sturdy flame]

a bad one but I'm gonna buy a 144hz monitor soon

[sacred wren]

1080p?

And wdym a bad one

[sturdy flame]

it's an old 60hz element monitor that my friend gave me when I bought my xbox and few years ago

[sacred wren]

Ahh ok

[marsh badge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYHWKX

[sacred wren]

So you're getting a new one soon

I see

[marsh badge]

here's what i did

[sturdy flame]

also my dad mentioned when I was looking at cpus to get on that performs at atleast 3200ghz

[sacred wren]

I'm assuming you wanted nvidia and intel, so I made this, but the 7600/6700xt is better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s2749c

[sturdy flame]

tysm

[sacred wren]

The ghz does not determine perf

[marsh badge]

clockspeed doesn't matter

oh that's nice, the 12400f list has 4070

[sacred wren]

7600 is as good as 5800x3d, better than 12600k which beats the 11700k

[marsh badge]

i would go with intel one

[sturdy flame]

do you guys know any tricks to determine if one part is better than another just based on the name

[marsh badge]

better gpu despite the platform being ddr4

[sacred wren]

Well I'd do the 12400f with 7800xt

[sacred wren]

Name no

But passmark cpu comparison

[marsh badge]

7800xt better ye

[sacred wren]

Is good

You want to pay attention to single core perf

Ghz and core count don't matter when you're comparing different generations

[sturdy flame]

interesting

[sacred wren]

It's not as accurate as looking at game performance, but it works for a rough estimate

[sturdy flame]

so based on this pic the amd one is better than the Intel one that I found

[sacred wren]

Yeah its a lot better, but 12400f is also better, and if you get a 1440p monitor 12400f/4070 or 12400f/7800xt would be better

Since you're getting a new monitor I'd recommend 1440p IPS 144-180hz, around $180-220

[sturdy flame]

okay

[sacred wren]

If you go 1080p 7600/6750xt would prolly be a better option

With 7600 you gain upgradability, you could put an 8800x3d in there or whatever comes out, and have a huge performance boost

12400f is on a dead socket, 13600k is the best cpu on lga 1700 that makes sense for gaming

[sturdy flame]

very interesting

[sacred wren]

Wait ima make one more list

[sturdy flame]

and the 7600, 13006k, are intel cpus?

ok haha

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RrDjqR

7600 is amd, 13600k, 12600k, 12400f, 13400f are intel

[sturdy flame]

awesome sauce

is there anything you can teach me about gpus? I know that Nvidia makes them but I'm not sure like what they are and how they affect performance

[sacred wren]

So nvidia and amd are the two main ones, intel released some but they're mediocre

7800xt and 4070 are both similar to the 6800xt and 3080

6750xt is better than the 4060 ti, 3060 ti, and is about the same as the 3070

6800 non xt is between 3070 ti and 3080

[marsh badge]

^

gpus get complicated sometimes

[sturdy flame]

I can tell

[marsh badge]

no, always lol

i myself, though, would happily game with 7600 and 6700xt

i value possible platform upgrades

bacca's list is gpu focused, good for resolution above 1080p

but not 4k

[sturdy flame]

so not based on picture quality more on smooth performance

that's how I interpreted that lmao

[sacred wren]

Nah, its focused on graphics quality and performance

7600/6750xt, is good for 1080p/1440p, but 4070 will do a decent bit better at 1440p

But 12400f isn't the best cpu, so the tradeoff is in some games it'll hold the 4070 back

[sturdy flame]

I feel like everytime I see a video or something about a 4070 or Nvidia they are always gassing it up to be super insane

[sacred wren]

13400f isn't far worse than the 7600, but you also don't have upgradability and 6800 isn't a huge amount better than 6750xt

[marsh badge]

i could definitely do 7800x3d for 1k but gpu would be sacrificed too much to justify such a fast cpu

[sacred wren]

4070 is ok value

Its just that the 4060 and 4060 ti are ass value

4070 ti is decent now, 4080 is ass value, 7800xt, 7900xt, 7900xtx, and 7600 are solid

7700xt meh

About the same as 6800

[sturdy flame]

so if I would put the 4070 with the 13400f how would that do

[marsh badge]

4070 isn't a crazy gpu, but it performs just fine for what it asks from your wallet

7800xt would be better value tho

[sacred wren]

Could also do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsKqwg

[sacred wren]

It's only like $10 cheaper rn

Oddly

[marsh badge]

huh

that's a bit strange

[sturdy flame]

so I could put the 13400 with the 7800 or 4070 then would that be a good pair..?

[marsh badge]

not worth it

13400f is more expensive

[sturdy flame]

how about the 12400f

I'd have to check prices

[sacred wren]

I'd say this would be my ideal if you could spend this much
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g7wY28

Also the b660 pro rs doesn't have wifi, so if you go intel with ddr4 you need a separate wifi card

This would be intel+nvidia with a better cpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bqdbVW

That includes a wifi card

[sturdy flame]

why don't they come with wifi

[sacred wren]

Also 40 series refresh comes out soon, and 4070/7800xt prices could go down

Only certain mobos do, it tends to cost a bit extra

[harsh crow]

Will there be a 4090 refresh?

[sacred wren]

Cheapest ddr4 lga 1700 wifi board that isn't trash is $140

[sturdy flame]

seems kinda silly to sell pc parts that don't have internet

[sacred wren]

Not really, an internal wifi card is the same thing

[harsh crow]

Agreed but they wanna grab all the $ out of us.

[sturdy flame]

real

[sacred wren]

It's a budget ish mobo, and also some people don't need wifi

[harsh crow]

Only costs them like $5 but wanna charge us +30$ or smth for it.

[sacred wren]

Ethernet is a thing

[marsh badge]

wifi is added cost, and ethernet always exists

[sacred wren]

If you went ddr5 and intel, b760 sonic wifi is amazing and $130

[sturdy flame]

wat is ddr4 and 5

[sacred wren]

But ddr5 also costs extra

Types of ram

7600 only uses ddr5, 12th gen through 14th gen from intel use both ddr4 and ddr5

[marsh badge]

ddr4 is an older standard of ram

[sacred wren]

Ddr5 is better, but costs about an extra $40

And a mobo costs more too

[sturdy flame]

I like the pc you built with the wifi adapter

[sacred wren]

Yeah its solid, it's not too much worse than the 7600, just losing out on upgradability

[sturdy flame]

what would have to change for it to be upgradable

[sacred wren]

Well ddr5 can be carried over for a future build, but no intel cpu will give you cpu upgradability since 14th gen is last on this socket

[sturdy flame]

ahh

so would I need to wait for the next Intel generation in order to upgrad?

[marsh badge]

which gets expensive to do so

because you'll need new board, cpu and ram

[sacred wren]

Yes, and it'll be a long while

[sturdy flame]

okay

[sacred wren]

14th gen just released like two months ago?

And its about a year between gens typically

[sturdy flame]

if I didn't plan on upgrading anytime soon, then it sounds like a pretty good option

[sacred wren]

Yeah, though on am5 you could do whatever next gen 7800x3d is, which I would guess around 30-40% better than 7600

Which would still be relevant 4-6 years down the line

(So would 7600 tbf)

Actually I'd spend an extra $10 for this psu, and this has ddr5 which you can carry over for an upgrade for a good while
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7YRVL9

[sturdy flame]

that looks great tbh

[sacred wren]

Last thing, you could get a used 3080/3080 ti for $350-425 and then spend more on the cpu

Or just to get same perf for less, to be closer to your $1000 budget

[sturdy flame]

thank you for all the help I really appreciate it

I feel like a genius now

[sacred wren]

Lol happy to help

Any questions feel free to ping me, though I don't always answer quickly

[strange flume]

Wth the deepcool digital looks so clean in a case

Bacca look at this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606552336315318277/1191168845466062878/20231231_174445.jpg?ex=65a4756f&is=6592006f&hm=1181864f9043fd938258df699d44b0bdbc02f03e2d389a6555afadae79c1ad02&

[sturdy flame]

I'll keep it mind 🙂

[sacred wren]

That does look really nice

[strange flume]

I hate everything else in this case

[sacred wren]

Phantom spirit evo >

[strange flume]

But look at that thing

[sturdy flame]

that looks cool

[strange flume]

LCD air cooler for like $50

Tho the fans are a bit noisy

[strange flume]

True but man

Aesthetics first build for 20 extra pls

Ez goal

[dusty olive]

Is it normal for a Ryzen 5 7600 to have temps in the upper 80s while gaming?

[strange flume]

Can be

Depends what you're cooling it with

[dusty olive]

Stock fan

[strange flume]

I'd believe that

AM5 runs hot

Even on a custom loop my am5 cpu spikes into the mid 70's

Both in games and in torture tests

It's the nature of the beast

[dusty olive]

So it's good then?

[strange flume]

Yeah should be fine

[dusty olive]

Ok

[strange flume]

It's really designed to use the stock fan so

I'd say it's ok

@dusty olive if it starts to like, hard stutter, have issues running super hot at not the full power of 65w? Then I'd worry a bit

But ye you should be fine

[dusty olive]

Even in the 90s?

[strange flume]

7600 should be fine even at 95C

More of a question if you were pulling 30W or 65W of power

[dusty olive]

I see

[lunar venture]

Aegis R 12NUC5-617US

MSI Aegis R (Tower) Gaming Desktop, Intel Core i5-12400F, GeForce RTX 4060, 16GB Memory (8GB x 2), 1TB SSD, USB Type-C, VR-Ready, Windows 11 Home Plus,Black

Hey everyone,
I was curious if anyone could help point me in the right direction of scouting out what liquid cooling set up would be compatible with my build.

[strange flume]

kinda looks like a 240mm would fit up top

but you don't really need one

would be very much overkill

not to mention-

if that motherboard is the same as what I'm seeing

it would VERY much prefer a cooler that blasts air all over it

https://asset.msi.com/resize/image/global/product/product_1656004250ed9904804c6094e893836846215309a6.png62405b38c58fe0f07fcef2367d8a9ba1/1024.png

could be a different one?

[lunar venture]

That is indeed it. And okay i apppreciate it. This is my first build and had a bit more money to put into it and thought it could help

[strange flume]

if we could get a picture of the motherboard that you actually have, then I'd have a better understanding

but from what I can see there

doubled phases

which normally means it's not a very performance friendly motherboard

what I mean by that is

it'd struggle without proper tlc

a lot of prebuilts are shoestringed together

so they strike a bit of a careful balance (some not, some just plain cut corners)

so you end up with a system that functionally works, but on the grounds that nothing really changes

Alienware systems are a perfect example of this

however I will say this, you could also just as easily be both either fine with swapping, or might even be worth swapping and reselling what's already in there

like I said, I'd have a better understanding with a picture

[lunar venture]

Yea for some reason i cant post pics here 😅

[strange flume]

ah

accept my dm

send to me that way

@low pumice can you help rq

Pro b760 vc

????

I'm not-

familiar with 12+1 looking like that

💀

if it's still an ample 12 that doesn't really need air then it's probably fine @lunar venture

I just want to confirm before I say it

very very weird arrangement of board

[lunar venture]

Of course it is 😅

[low pumice]

might be twinned

which should be okay

[strange flume]

Cheers 🙏

@lunar venture go stick that cooler on we talked about

more than enough for the 12400

[lunar venture]

Already ordered 🤌🏿🤌🏿 appreciate yall

[median peak]

What’s a good 4 screw cooler for a 5800x3d

[marsh badge]

you mean air cooler?

[median peak]

Yes but 4 screws, the one i got from mc is 2 screws and doesn’t go on my mb

[knotty sparrow]

You would need to use the included adapter bracket

[median peak]

I have no idea how that thing would screw into mine so i was just gonna go to mc tomorrow and buy another lol

[knotty sparrow]

The 2 screws go into 2 metal brackets, which branch off to the sides to the 4 screw pattern

[marsh badge]

^

you have to know the socket of your platform

am4? use am4 bracket

[median peak]

This is the adapter and mb

[marsh badge]

am5 works with am4 bracket

[median peak]

Both am4

[marsh badge]

you need amd one

one says intel

[median peak]

Thats crazy

[marsh badge]

which cooler is this?

[median peak]

Ag400 bk

[marsh badge]

okay

i suggest you to read the manual

[median peak]

Gotta get a new one anyways

[knotty sparrow]

If it was an open box cooler it might be missing the bracket

[median peak]

This was off the shelf

[knotty sparrow]

You can look at the manual to see what you're looking for

[median peak]

I found the problem, i don’t need to put the screws in the holes i need to put them in the indents on the side

[marsh badge]

yes

the holes are for intel

the manual is kinda confusing with how non descriptive it is

[median peak]

Well it all just kinda blended in so i didn’t pay too much attention

[wooden talon]

what type of fan setup should I do with an h6 flow

[knotty sparrow]

How many fans do you have? Air or liquid cooling?

[wooden talon]

depends gonna buy them soon probably gonna go with a phantom spirit 120

[lucid walrus]

hi

Is the Deepcool Assassin IV compatible with the ASUS ROG Strix X-570E Gaming?

[strange flume]

should be

guessing it's your current motherboard?

[knotty sparrow]

AM4 is AM4, it's compatible

[strange flume]

I'm hoping it's a current motherboard and not a new one...lol

[marsh badge]

this dude asks random questions all the time

each time different board

[strange flume]

probably helping others

[marsh badge]

probably

[lucid walrus]

Im talking about vrm heatsinks

too tall

[knotty sparrow]

I've only once seen that be a problem, and it was on a board with a 90 degree rotated layout

The bottom of the cooling fins is way above the board

[lucid walrus]

Thanks

[marble gorge]

finally getting around to this, but wanted to ask: Can a GB X570 GAMING X handle 3 front panel fans? if so, why does only 1 of my fans light up

[marble gorge]

Ok now 2 fans light up lmao

[strange flume]

what fans are they

[low pumice]

Are they RGB or aRGB, and are they daisy chained or using separate headers or using a controller?

[subtle gyro]

is it possible to rotate my cpu cooler 90° with an lga 1200 socket?

[strange flume]

Should be

If my memory serves me correctly I did that once* lol

[woven vale]

dshould i use this fan curve

[harsh crow]

What fan control software do you guys recommend?

[bright ether]

the one that is for your motherboard manufacuer

msi would be msi center

ex

[knotty sparrow]

https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases/releases

Lots more controls, you can set curves based on things like GPU memory temps with hwinfo integration

I do not recommend MSI Center. While it does allow for the full standard feature set, it takes a LOT of resources for a background app and it requires you to download separate functions and keep them updated.

[nova ginkgo]

So it says you have to refill your liquid coolers for your pc every now and then. How often would you have to refill the coolers?

[strange flume]

The idea is not to for a few years

But it's good practice too if you know what you're doing

[magic wave]

for an aio you shouldn

't need to

[knotty sparrow]

If it's an open (custom) loop then you should flush it every few months.
If it's a closed loop (AIO) then it varies. Typically they'll last a good 3-5 years before they need extra maintenance.

[strange flume]

@nova ginkgo if you're looking for help to do so we have a few people with custom loops here who could show you how

I tend to use osmosis water and inhibitors, made up in a 19:1 ratio

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah I’m probably buying a pc on Newegg for vr so I’m probably buying a big case with enough room on the sides to put a good number of fans. Probably about half have to be intake and the other half have to be exhaust

Caring about a pc is good though to save time and money before buying another pc

[marsh badge]

Since you're getting into this route, may I suggest you to build one?

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah that’s what im going to do. I have to order all the parts online though

That’s why we have websites like Newegg

[harsh crow]

Ty, I had actually came across this last night like right before you sent it.

[nova ginkgo]

I’m definitely gonna get a case that provides room for a significant number of liquid cooling fans. If I place them all the right way it should give the pc awesome airflow. Trying to build this thing to be on for the long hours of gameplay on vr

[harsh crow]

Are you doing Open Loop or AIO?

Just curious.

[nova ginkgo]

I’m not too sure about how that works. The airs probably supposed to go into the pc and then come right back out isn’t that how system cooling works?

[harsh crow]

Open Loop refers to custom water cooling vs pre-made water cooling solutions like an AIO.

If it's your first time building I strongly recommend not going the custom route.

AIO will have a radiator, pump, and liquid all setup for you so you just need to maybe swap the fans if you sk wish them mount it.

[sacred wren]

Liquid cooling fans?

[nova ginkgo]

Liquid/ water cooling fans

[sacred wren]

What do you mean

Repeating the same phrase doesn't really clarify anything

[nova ginkgo]

I’m not sure how to explain it. They’re like fans for the pc with small amounts of liquid dispensed from them to keep the inside of the computer cool

[sacred wren]

Do you have a link?

Because if they're what I'm thinking of they're either pointless, or dangerous, or both

[nova ginkgo]

Do you not know about building gaming PCs at all?

[marsh badge]

The context you're giving is fans with ability to sprinkle water

Which would probably damage the parts inside

PC case fans are the same fans used in AIOs and custom loops on the radiator

[sacred wren]

Um?

If you're talking about fans with liquid inside of them, that's next to pointless. They're expensive asf and provide slim to none benefits.

If you mean a liquid cooler for the cpu, that is a very different story

[marsh badge]

Also fan amount isn't indicative of airflow

Case design matters the most

[sacred wren]

Like this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7Phv6h/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black-argb

[marsh badge]

Water cooling also doesn't automatically mean it's the best

[sacred wren]

Do you mean fluid bearing fans?

[marsh badge]

I think they're definitely referring to those table fans that sprinkle some water

[sacred wren]

Oh god

[marsh badge]

But in the form of case fans?

[sacred wren]

That's concerning

[nova ginkgo]

I was concerned too but they said liquid cooling nowadays was fairly safe

[sacred wren]

What liquid cooling do you mean my guy

[sacred wren]

Something like this?

Or fans with liquid inside of them

They are two completely different things

The first one is fans on a radiator which has liquid inside of it

It is not liquid cooling fans, they're two completely separate things

An aio is completely safe as long as you don't get a crappy model

It doesnt dispense liquid into the computer, it has two tubes running from it connected to a cpu mount, one brings cool liquid from the pump to the mount to cool the cpu, the other tube takes the hot liquid away from the mount and brings it back to the radiator, which the fans help to cool it down, and the cycle repeats

It also depends on what cpu you are going for if an aio is worth it

The thermalright phantom spirit at $35 is as good as 240mm aios, as well as has a much longer life span

It's fine for a 13600k/14600k, and none of 7000 series needs a liquid cooler

13700k/14700k and higher, and 12900k, sure go for an aio

Though if you're gaming 7600, 7800x3d, and 13600k should be the cpus considered

On the budget end, 12400f 12600k and 5600

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah like that they sell those on the site where people can buy to put their PCs together at home with

Honestly I’m just getting ready for my very first pc build. I probably should be doing air coolers but I am probably gonna have a pc that has a lot of beef and uses a lot of power so I might do research and google and YouTube about water coolers so I can buy them and actually know about them and ensure my pc has efficient cooling

[sacred wren]

What is your budget for the build?

And are you building yourself, or ordering off of a custom website?

The two most important things I can tell you are one
Don't cheap out on psu
And two, brand is almost completely irrelevant

Never buy a part because of the brand name, it is completely useless

[harsh crow]

That's a thing?

[sacred wren]

Corsair is super well know and I would only recommend some of their cases and psus, their ram and aios are ass

[sacred wren]

For some reason yeah, fluid bearing fans

[harsh crow]

I'd advise doing some research. Some YouTubers like J2C (JaysTwoCents) are pretty good as far as understanding what the average joe would care about rather then getting so darn technical on a level that no one is ever going to notice unless they are spending more time looking at their pc then using it.

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah I’m watching these YouTubers it’s the best spot I can get education about gaming PCs before I can buy it

[sacred wren]

What're you looking to spend?

[nova ginkgo]

Im probably assuming it’ll be $4000-$5000 to order the beefy pc im getting so thankfully I saved my money

[harsh crow]

Dang, yeah that will get you top shelf everything and then some.

[sacred wren]

You can spend much less than that and do top of the line

Without losing out on anything

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PGMMmD

That's alr overspending

Can do 98% of the performance for much less

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KLLdvj

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah not too bad I’ll think about it someone else shared me this actually

[sacred wren]

Can do a good bit cheaper with similar perf too

[topaz blaze]

what to do if ssd is hot

do i have to buy more thermal jelly film crap

[shrewd juniper]

How hot

[topaz blaze]

70c

[strange flume]

not hot

bordering on nice and warm

they like running warm

[nova ginkgo]

Are water coolers from Corsair bad because those are the ones Jay2Cents uses

[strange flume]

they just aren't worth the price

incredibly mid for so much more than what you can get from other brands

if there's anything that is good from Corsair it's their psu's, and from time to time, their cases

they have like

$500 coolers now

it's as much as a mid-range gpu

think about this from an objective standpoint

[nova ginkgo]

So Corsairs coolers are overpriced?

[strange flume]

you could get a $500 H150i Core, and live happily with a 4080 for example for 1100-ish

or you can get a $55 Thermalright frozen edge 360

and get a 1600-ish 4090

on the other hand

7800XT > 4080 Super or 7900 XTX

13600K up to 14900K

[strange flume]

there's just so much benefit to not spending hundreds on a cooler

if you've peaked out your performance and you want a specific aesthetic, at that point, money is no object really

but once you exceed like, $120, and this is being generous

there is just no benefit

would you rather pretty lights for $200? or a whole upgrade to 7800X3D for example from a 7600

or a whole gpu step up

6800XT to 4070Ti

these are all real examples

[nova ginkgo]

I was thinking about building a pc with air cooling instead but I don’t know if that’s gonna be enough to keep a 4090 pc from overheating.

Google said water cooling would get the job done better but seems with both AIOs and custom loops there’s a chance of killing your pc

[strange flume]

there's a chance of killing your pc even if you sneeze

it depends purely on the specs

but I don't really recommend any water cooling of any kind if it's not like a modern i7/i9, or 7950X, or 5800x3d really

anything else is fine on good air coolers

4090 is fine on air, nay, as good as water in a lot of cases

would also suggest otherwise against a 4090 rn btw, not unless you can find one for 1600

they exist but, rare

you'd be paying near 2K+ otherwise which is terrible value

[nova ginkgo]

Well hope 4080 ti is still good for vr because that’s the second to best option

Seen a bunch of 4080s for only 1000 but a few hundred past but not as much as 2k

[strange flume]

4080 super would be more than enough for VR

[nova ginkgo]

Custom loop definitely won’t be cheap though because you need a heat gun and a bunch of other things to go with it

[strange flume]

hell, my 3090 was more than enough

[strange flume]

bunch of things but not a heat gun

not unless you want hard loop and cancer

wait for 4080 super

it's a new $1000 price tag

it'll be quite good, but everyone will jump on it

so don't hesitate if you decide to do so

[nova ginkgo]

Then how am I supposed to do the custom loop because I’ll have to soften the tube and bend it to fit my pc and have the water flow everywhere

[nova ginkgo]

Is hard loop really that bad? Might be more durable and reduce chance of the heat inside the pc melting it

[nova ginkgo]

Because I don’t mind spending a whole bunch of extra money I just don’t wanna do anything stupid like accidentally screw up on the water cooling where liquid gets all over my parts

[marsh badge]

There's not enough heat for soft tubes to melt

If you go fully liquid, there's no hot air at all

Even then the heat from gpu isn't significant enough to cause damage

Hard tubing is pain cuz you have to make sure you measure everything right down to a millimeter

Otherwise you're looking to waste money with things not fitting or not looking the way you want

[strange flume]

ZMT soft tube >>>>>>

If something goes wrong (and it always does) you don't need to drain everything, take it apart, attempt a fix, put it back together, fill it, hope it works

[strange flume]

No, water typically should stay under 40C in a loop, no chance of melting

Soft tube is just better

AND

If you want to upgrade, you don't need to buy new watercooling parts

If you run quick disconnects it's even better, you can take it all out in parts

Honestly if I saw my plastic tubes melting I'd consider the company who made them to compensate the rest of my damn pc

[nova ginkgo]

Just trying to take precaution with water cooling because if that liquid leaks and gets on pc parts that’ll screw up a lot

[strange flume]

I just wouldn't bother with it if you are worried about that much

It's complicated stuff

Say like

Building a car, vs buying a car, vs. building a kit car

Watercooling vs buying a prebuilt vs building a regular pc

The step up in difficulty to full water looping isn't worth the investment 9 times of 10

I really would only bother with it for like a new i9 tbh

And those aren't the best choices for gaming

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah I could buy a prebuilt pc but almost everyone in other discord servers I talked to told me not to so maybe I should listen to them

[strange flume]

I agree with them

[nova ginkgo]

Plus I might not be able to swap parts or upgrade the pc

[magic wave]

I don't like prebuilts

[strange flume]

Buying a pre-built you buy into several things:

1. High paid labour cost 9 times of 10
2. Unusual parts somewhere in the build taking a cost cut or otherwise a huge premium on everything
3. A lower warranty than buying separately

[magic wave]

they're fun to build in at times, but I'd rather buy parts that aren't so barebones

[strange flume]

Some companies even offer you to buy the longer warranty when you'd have it if you bought on your own

[magic wave]

😔

[strange flume]

cough cough DELL cough

[magic wave]

dell more like

hell

[strange flume]

Take me back to the XP days when their prebuilts still made sense

[nova ginkgo]

People also told me to avoid buying Dell but there’s a lot of other places I could buy online. Newegg, digital storm. Maybe buy parts from micro center online

Saw digital storm on adds a few times. Not sure if it’s good or bad

[strange flume]

idk who said to buy from dell but don't if it's not a basic laptop

newegg rarely gets decent prebuilt deals

digital storm is...well idk if I would

starforge is alright if you can accept the premium

but it's quite the premium

[nova ginkgo]

Well im not buying any prebuilts

I am customizing a build online and when the parts arrive to my house I’m going to put them all together

[strange flume]

do you want some help making a list mate

It takes me maybe 5 minutes and saves you a boatload of research time

all I need is budget, type of pc use, wifi yes or no, and peripherals yes or no

[nova ginkgo]

Maybe I’ll ask later. I still gotta do research on water cooling though. Someone like me who wants to play vr all day has to have good cooling on their pc for long hours

[strange flume]

ye ofc

I can think all that through for you lol

the new gpus are more than capable of running on their stock coolers when it comes to both 40 series and 7000 series

and cpus like the 7800x3d are perfectly happy on the stock box cooler they ship from amd anyway (it doesn't come with this cpu tho sadly)

to the point where I'd say full watercooling is just pointless

[nova ginkgo]

I mean the graphics card itself has fans on it. I don’t know if that’s for cooling or not though

[marsh badge]

err

They're for cooling, why else would they be there

[harsh crow]

RTX 4000 series gpus have such a obnoxiously overkill heat-sink/acting cooling system that there is absolutely no point in going water-cooling unless you are trying to reduce noise levels or for visuals and even then 40 series cards are pretty quiet. Sorry if it came off harsh, just making sure you understand.

[nova ginkgo]

Still applying thermal paste to my cpu when I get it though. Hopefully there’s air coolers efficient enough to keep the pc from overheating. Trying to get a case that supports having a good number of fans on the pc for strong airflow

[harsh crow]

If you want airflow the case I have is excellent for that, it's the Fractal Torrent.

Also, fan count is useless unless the PC case provides enough air for the fans to move.

[harsh crow]

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/torrent/torrent/black-rgb-tg-light-tint/

Comes in a few variants, I have the tempered glass side panel and full size.

Supports a good amount of fans along with large ones at that + allows proper access to air for the fans.

[harsh crow]

Usually coolers come with thermal paste pre-applied.

[nova ginkgo]

And you’re not being harsh at all. You’re just giving your opinion on this

Plus sometimes I need opinions and advice from other people instead of entirely making decisions by myself just so I don’t make a dumb mistake. Not that people are doing things for me but giving me recommendations

[strange flume]

a good case with fans should be more than enough for a lot of the 4090's that basically cool as good as they do as if they were on aiir

I swapped my suprim to water and temps got worse

(though memory oc got a fair bit better)

[harsh crow]

Felix, do you by chance know if 1.6v VDDQ/VDDIO is to high?

[strange flume]

vddio??

[harsh crow]

By default, my board syncs VDDQ and VDDIO to the same voltage as my DRAM.

[strange flume]

no clue

oh if it does iidk

[harsh crow]

I see. And I keep for the life of me find any info on the web on safe/max VDDQ/VDDIO voltages.

[nova ginkgo]

Yeah I’ve seen Jay2Cent talking about water coolers but at the same time recommending air coolers. And since that one guy said his temperatures got worse when he switched to liquid coolers maybe I should just buy the air cooling. Just some fast powerful fans

[harsh crow]

It's a matter of how efficient the cooling system. Water doesn't always = better.

[sacred wren]

Yeah, and I wouldn't bother changing fans on most air coolers

If you want as good as it gets for an air cooler, phantom spirit evo 100%

Phantom spirit was already top of the line, the evo is the phantom spirit with premium fans and a much cooler look

$46

[harsh crow]

A top notch water system will always beat a air system but the price will be difference will be huge with small gains.

Personally here's what I would do:
CPU: good 360-420MM AIO like a LT720/LS720 or Arctic Freezer II 360/420mm
GPU: Air coolers are just fine on RTX 4000 series idk about Ryzen
Ram: passive is fine unless you do ram OC in which case, just slap a fan over it.

[knotty sparrow]

A good air cooler is about as good as a decent 240mm AIO

At less than half the price

[magic sparrow]

Idk, dont really need to recommend any AIOs usually. Also 280MM AIOs are also typically about as good as 360mm. Also I love me them Ryzen GPUs

[harsh crow]

As said, that's what I would do personally.

I prefer AIO over air cooler for mobility and in my experience, quieter.

[sleek fox]

If you have a 13/14900K

Then you can't cool it no matter what you slap on it lmao

[harsh crow]

Well you can cool it just to varying degrees lmao.

[sleek fox]

That's the joke
You suffer, just to varying degrees lmao

But yeah anything less than 360 AIO for those don't make much sense honestly

[harsh crow]

I've not had a 13/14 I9 but people I met who do, that have cooled their chips are usually doing these things

• Delid
• 420mm aio or custom loop
• Liquid Metal
• undervolting

[sleek fox]

So basically spending another 200 bucks and potentially ruining the CPU just to not thermal throttle

[harsh crow]

Afaik from those folks, undervolting at stock settings prevented thermal throttling.

[magic sparrow]

contact frame is the main thing tbh

[languid gale]

All I have is a contact frame and custom loop and I’m maxing out around 65-70C at full load

[sleek fox]

"Ah yes just spend 400 bucks extra to not have my chip melt"

Like I'm not throwing shade at y'all

I'm throwing shade at the new 900K class CPUs

[marsh badge]

It's just intel design flaw

So affects all lga 1700

[sleek fox]

fair

It's just the worst with the 900 chips since they run the hottest

[strange flume]

Tbf

Even when we were in 9900k era they were bad

But at the same time

They weren't as bad

[eternal socket]

best software to control fans/temp?

mobo: ASrock x670e steel legend

[strange flume]

bios or FanControl app

[eternal socket]

this? https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

[strange flume]

ye

takes some setting up to do

but it's quite solid

[eternal socket]

um

[knotty sparrow]

Normal

Let it run

If you have anything else installed that could be interfering with the fans you should stop it too

[eternal socket]

is this software required to run in the bg for controlling fan speed

aka do i check start at login

[knotty sparrow]

Yes, but it's very lightweight. It only uses 32MB of RAM on my system.

You can hide the RPM section too

[eternal socket]

why are some of them grayed out

[knotty sparrow]

Either there's nothing plugged into those headers or it didn't respond to the program's commands. Could be interference from another program, or you don't have chipset drivers installed. A few things can cause it.

[eternal socket]

are these temps normal

these seem very high

[magic wave]

I don't see a single abnormal temp

computer components generally run between like 30-80c

I think my gtx 970 which has a really small heatsink and a blower fan runs around 80

which is not the best but it's fine

[silver steppe]

Hey guys, absolute PC noob here, but Im switching out a stock cheapo cooler for a 212 silencio fan cooler, besides the hardware (cooler/thermal paste) is there anything I have to change in the BIOS like fan speed?

[magic wave]

Should be fine

Run it and open HWiNFO to look at the temps, make sure it's doing like 60-80 degrees under a load, and if it's more then maybe you could go into the bios for fan speed adjustment

If it's running at like 90+ you might need to reinstall the heatsink, chance there's improper coverage with the thermal paste, but luck should be on your side

[silver steppe]

Thank you so much! Good idea too. I'll definitely check the temps and make sure everything's running alright

[twilit copper]

Hey guys ! I'm in the process of changing my cooling system, as the NZXT Kraken X52 (280mm) is not sufficient to maintain low temperatures on the Ryzen 3900X processor. The temperatures at idle are over 45-55 degrees Celsius. When launching a program or a game, they immediately rise to over 80 degrees Celsius.

I'm considering switching to air cooling, such as the Deepcool Assassin IV or DeepCool Lt720. I'm aware that most people would recommend the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360, but I'm looking for something in white.

Do you think it makes sense to purchase air cooling or liquid cooling? The most important factors for me are quiet operation and performance.

[sleek fox]

Assassin IV is pretty pricey for the perf tbf
AK620 is available in white and has the stats screen on top if you want it (I'd love to recommend the Phantom Spirit 120, but I don't think it's available in white)

[shrewd juniper]

That sounds like your pump isn't at 100%, you can check in your bios or that it's faulty or something

It's not the best of coolers but it shouldn't be that bad

[twilit copper]

which is better Phantom Spirit or Peerless Assassin?

[sleek fox]

That depends

[sacred wren]

Phantom spirit is the peerless assassin with an extra heat pipe

So phantom spirit

[sleek fox]

Do you want outright best performance?
Assassin IV
Do you want really good performance and good value?
Phantom Spirit to me wins

[sacred wren]

Phantom spirit evo is the Phantom spirit with premium fans and a much cleaner look. It looms so nice

[sacred wren]

Peerless assassin and assassin iv are diff coolers btw

I dont know how the assassin iv is tho

[sleek fox]

I know
I talked about the Assassin IV

It's the ultra-prem Deep cool cooler

It pricey tho

And only slightly better

[sacred wren]

Ye I think it's the newer version of ak620 kinda

I wonder if the phantom spirit evo is better than it

Its $46 I believe

[sleek fox]

The Phantom Spirit is close or marching in perf for much less

[sacred wren]

Au $50 rn https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo

Afaik its identical to the phantom spirit performance wise, except much better fans

[sleek fox]

That's a really nice looking cooler

[sacred wren]

Right??

[sleek fox]

I'll have to check the price diff

[sacred wren]

It's so nice

[sleek fox]

Cuz that looks smexy

[sacred wren]

Assassin iv is $100 rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TKcgXL/deepcool-assassin-iv-791-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-asn4-bknnmt-g

[sleek fox]

That's too much for me to justify

[sacred wren]

Its a similar look but honestly I prefer the evo

[sleek fox]

It's like prem priced
It's only very slightly better at the price of noise

[sacred wren]

Yeah at $100 there's an EK 360mm aio

[sleek fox]

Like the Assassin IV can brute force perf
But gets really loud

And pretty annoying to me in noise profile

[sacred wren]

The ps evo is quiet too, since it's premium fans

I think it uses b12s?

Not sure on that

[sleek fox]

But slightly less outright cooling perf

So it's really preferences

I believe the PS Evo might actually be a sliver better in noose normalized

[sacred wren]

I think any more than $50 on an air cooler is a bit ridiculous atp

There's good 360mm aios at $50-60 now

Let alone $100

[twilit copper]

thank you guys for help ! I've watched several reviews and I'm impressed with the Phantom Spirit. I can't find any information on the dimensions of the radiator in relation to the height of the RAM modules. I have all four slots filled with Trident Z Neo, which have a height of about 43 mm.

[sacred wren]

What case?

Also that cooler you have should definitely be sufficient for your cpu

Unless it's failing. Have you tried a repaste?

Lemme grab you some suggestions in white tho

[twilit copper]

I tried changing the thermal paste but the issue persists ...

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xMLFf7/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-white-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-white-argb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWGhP6/deepcool-ls720-se-wh-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ls720-se-wh
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jFYRsY/thermalright-frozen-edge-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-fe360-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YXFmP6/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-white-v3

I'd say among those four

[sleek fox]

You probably need to adjust the pump

[sacred wren]

Hm, is pump speed at 100%?

[sleek fox]

Like I think it's either set too low RPM or it's just dead

[sacred wren]

That you change in the bios

[twilit copper]

i used nzxt cam for that

[sacred wren]

Honorable mention to ag620 wh at $55, but pa120 at $36 is very similar in performance

Try it in bios, nzxt cam is not great

[sleek fox]

I believe if it needs cam

You can't adjust it in bios

Cuz it's USB-powered

NZXT had to do it the stupid proprietary way

[sacred wren]

Oh that's fantastic we love nzxt

[sleek fox]

I can't vouch for it

But I think that's the case with their CAM-needing coolers

Worth checking but it'll probably be a dead end

[sacred wren]

I dont know if I dislike nzxt or corsair more

[sleek fox]

I mean at least Corsair's only going stupid with RGB
Pumps are still PWM

[sacred wren]

Their softwares are both ass, their aios are overpriced and mid, but corsair does have their cases and psus going for them

[sleek fox]

For now

[sacred wren]

Nzxt doesn't really have anything except very rarely their psus

[sleek fox]

we really shouldn't give ideas to Corsair on how to make their stuff more proprietary and stupid

[sacred wren]

Their aios I've seen well priced a single time, and that was a 280mm at $110

Nzxt ^

Corsair has ass ram, aios, and laptops

Nzxt just has ass everything

[sleek fox]

I mean some of their DDR5 is good

[sacred wren]

Ehhh

They lock a certain voltage on it

Which makes it much worse than most other brands

[sleek fox]

They started using Hynix M-die in some of the non-RGB kits

[sacred wren]

I dont remember the name of the voltage, felix or sips would know

[sleek fox]

They apparently tune well

[sacred wren]

Yeah but they still tune worse than any other brands m die

[sleek fox]

The RGB stuff yeah that's stupid and probably worse

[sacred wren]

Unless they unlocked that voltage

[sleek fox]

I didn't see any proof of locked voltage on the Vengeance kit I saw

[sacred wren]

Hm alright

I'll have to look into that, if so that's decent then

[sleek fox]

So it should be fine
But there is probably plenty of stupid crap like you just mentioned too

[sacred wren]

Prolly still overpriced though

[sleek fox]

Product stack just seems like a minefield

[sacred wren]

Yeah I just avoid corsair unless I know that specific product is good

[sleek fox]

Tru

[sacred wren]

Just most of their psus

[steel forge]

Is it possible for AIO fans to get to 9600 RPM or is my fan controller busted?

[magic wave]

Isn't that absurdly fast lmao

[steel forge]

That's what I thought and it does sound like a jet engine atm but if I enable msi "smart fan mode" the rpms (in the BIOS hardware monitor) go to like 1600-1800 but the fans don't sound like they ramp down at all.

[sacred wren]

The software reading it is likely busted

[vocal fable]

https://tenor.com/view/blown-away-gif-13333808

9600 rpm is insane

[magic wave]

probably reduces airflow performance after several thousand revs lmao

[pseudo cobalt]

So I have a Kraken z63 AIO, I cleaned the dust off my radiator, cleaned the dust of my case, and changed the thermal paste but it started going to 50-65° Celsius when it would normally be 35-40° celsius any idea why this happened?

[marsh badge]

bad mount

[pseudo cobalt]

The copper plate is making contact with my cpu though

[strange flume]

Bad mount or pump not really working like it used to

[knotty sparrow]

Making contact isn't the same as making good contact. Undo the screws and screw them on again. Make sure you're doing the standard diagonal pattern for screwing it in, and do a little at a time for each so they're even.

[pseudo cobalt]

It might be my pump isn’t working like it used to because I undid the screws, screwed them back on properly, still running at about 60°s

[strange flume]

Did you clean off and reapply the paste tho

[pseudo cobalt]

yup

[silver steppe]

Whatcha think

[strange flume]

He do be cooling

[magic wave]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-thats-pretty-good-good-job-great-nice-gif-15704235

[placid oriole]

Is averaging between 39c to 47c an ok idle temp range for an air-cooled 7800x3D? I just finished setting up my new build last night, and turned my fans down a little since they were a bit loud (my PC has to go on my desk)

It usually sits at like 43

I've done tests and it's Temps are totally fine under full load (80c at full 100% running Cinebench multicore test) so I know it'd probably fine in general, but I'm mostly wondering if higher idle Temps might lead to a lower lifespan

I'm not great at tweaking fan curves myself but I just switched it from the Normal preset to the Silent preset, so I assume the weaker fan curve is causing the higher idle Temps, but I'm mostly just worried about whether that's okay in the long run or not.

[sacred wren]

Yep

Idle Temps aren't really important, as long as load Temps aren't throttling you're good

7800x3d is so easy to cool even the amd stock cooler is more than enough for it

Like you could probably slap a fanless heatsink on it and it would not throttle much, if at all

[strange flume]

Better than me on a full water loop.

So your answer is yes