old-cooling

[wicked helm]

so i'm planning an upgrade. pretty sure doing an am5 system. i currently have an antec1200 with stock fan from a phenomIIx4
liquid cooling sounds cool but it's a real mishmash of pros and cons. so here's my thinking...

a) wife doesn't want me having water spill everywhere
b) I'm not sure about the whole hose permeability thing, so either a reservoir i can keep an eye on or tubing which isn't permeable would need to be a thing.. and that sounds like a custom job instead of aio.. i've never done liquid before
c) if i went air, i'm thinking of NH-U12A because it got killer reviews on cooling performance
d) cost to implement sounds like it's less on a air cooler
e) lifetime operating cost on reduced electrical consumption by running at cooler temperatures. guessing it's trivial but is it really?

also with the heat pipes on NH-U12A. would they mount horizontally or vertically in a tower. it probably depends on the socket orientation, but i'm guessing that's generally consistent across boards. i'm just wondering about the function of the vapor chambers in the heat pipes.. like if it's evaporating and recondensing, wouldn't the liquid need to be able to drip down back to the cpu in order to recycle itself?

[sacred wren]

Best air cooler to go for is the ak620

$60-65 normally and dark rock pro 4 performance

If you haven't bought mobo/cpu, unless you're doing workstation tasks and are going for the 7950x, id consider 13th gen

Better price/perf and cooler

[wicked helm]

haven't bought anything yet. still planning. if i do a am5 board, i could go low-end cpu and upgrade in a few years

[sacred wren]

Well, depends

Most b350s don't support 5000 series

So 8000 series probably, 9000 series isn't a guarantee

[wicked helm]

i'm in a little bit of everything, coding, gaming, video processing. not all the same time, but as far as choosing the right cpu.. it's a mishmash

[sacred wren]

What's your budget for your upgrade?

[wicked helm]

hoping to do cpu/mobo/ram/cooler for about $1k. i last build my system in 2009 and i'm hoping to keep the case, psu, hdds, etc

[sacred wren]

Alr, one second

I'll draft up two lists

What psu do you have btw?

Depending on model it might be a good idea to replace it

And do you have an ssd?

[wicked helm]

seasonic platinum something.. gimme a minute to find the label

[sacred wren]

Seasonic platinum anything is good

[wicked helm]

750w iirc

[sacred wren]

Pretty sure seasonic doesn't have any Plat psus below A tier

[wicked helm]

3 ssd, like 9 platter drives. i retire the smaller ones when i get bigger ones

[sacred wren]

Ah ok

Just making sure you have one for a boot drive

[wicked helm]

i was thinking to use a m.2 for boot

dual ubuntu and winblows

[low pumice]

(prime still has weird issues and older focus plat versions had transient issues in the same way older focus gold did)

[sacred wren]

I would recc a 280mm aio personally since you're doing multi core loads

My 13600k gets to 80c in multi core loads under a 280mm

7700x/13700k would likely be throttling with multi core loads under a high end air cooler

[sacred wren]

Good to know

[wicked helm]

talking to the guys at the canadacomputers shop, they suggested i might have issues mounting an aio in the antec1200. but it's got a beasty 240mm fan out the top and 2x120mm fans out the back

[sacred wren]

Does it have extra room where the fans are mounted on the top?

Or do those 2x120mm top have it covered

[wicked helm]

ya, there's headspace over the board under the 240, and the 2x 120s are about in line with the cpu

[sacred wren]

Does that case have a solid or mesh front btw?

[wicked helm]

mesh wire air filters behind metal mesh bay panels each attach to hdd cages with a 140mm fan behind the filter

[sacred wren]

I need to Google this, one second

My brain is not visualizing

[sacred wren]

Would definitely have clearance issues with a 240mm+ aio, and it seems any decent air cooler wouldn't have space

[wicked helm]

front has 4 3u bays, the bottom 3 bays have filters and fans. the top has that big fan and tons of airspace under it

[sacred wren]

I'll double check on that though

Itd fit an ak620 according to pcpartpicker

Doesn't fit any aios bigger than 120mm though, which those are just pointless

[sacred wren]

Well without a case replacement, this is what I have for intel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yKxVPX

I dont know am5 mobos enough to make a recommendation for that

But would just awitch cpu to 7700x and mobo to whatever b650 or x670 (might have a use case for raid or extra pcie lanes) you decide on

[wicked helm]

all good. i could keep the ddr but if i go amd socket i'd have to eventually upgrade both cpu and board at the same time.. so i'm hoping to pick a board and maybe upgrade cpu eventually if it becomes necessary

or go high now and hope to skip a generation again

[sacred wren]

If going for high end now, 100% 13700k

[wicked helm]

am saving this parts list. tyvm

[sacred wren]

Someone else here could help you with an am5 list

[wicked helm]

lol. you can tell both my rear fans have died

13 years of service. they owe me nothing

ok, so my followup question is what's the point of incompatibility with my case

prior to this i had antec p180 with the sound dampening panels, but the airflow management inside was a nightmare for cables. with the 1200, it was a lot easier with the open space and rear panel apertures to route cables behind and out of the way

[sacred wren]

Tbh at this point I would replace the case

But with the amount of drives you have I'm not sure what would be a good suggestion

[wicked helm]

it's cheaper now to get a new 4tb. i could combine a few of them. i just hate wasting potential lifespan of a drive

[sacred wren]

Better to replace now than have them die and lose what's on them

[wicked helm]

the windows drive keeps blowing the 64G allocation and i have to do cleanup on it. so that's going to go into something else when i get the chance

[sacred wren]

A 16tb is surprisingly cheap

A bit over 200

Well, cheap for what you get

[wicked helm]

i keep duplicates

ok. yes. this one is next to go out the door. 200GB dj library from 2005. that i could easily merge into somethign else

[sacred wren]

That thing is as old as I am lmao

[wicked helm]

still works too

i've honestly had more failures from my first sdd than from my oldest platter

[sacred wren]

I've never had an ssd fail on me, but I've had I think four hdds die

Wait no, 3

One was from 2008, the other two were from 2017

[wicked helm]

friends don't let friends buy dell 😛

[sacred wren]

Dell makes good laptops

[wicked helm]

2001 inspiron 2500. within the 1y warranty period, every major component failed. and the warranty terms prevent you from opening it yourself to service it, which also prevents you from discovering what they did wrong

i had 3 months of keyboard failures entirely due to them not clicking the ribbon in place

hdd started having the clicks of death at 8 months. cd rom died at 11 months. and the screen had issues staying rendered unless you happened to press hard on 'y'. turns out they never screwed in the video memory cache card

so ya, i can totally get away with fewer drives installed. like 3 of them would fit on 1tb

but that's just whinging and nothing to do with cooling... if i can ask.. what is it about the antec1200 that limits the cooling options?

[sacred wren]

Sorry, been watching anime lol

It doesnt have enough room to be able to fit a 240mm aio and tubing, let alone a 280

240 isn't really worth it though anyways, compared to the ak620

And even aside from cpu cooling, I've a feeling compared to something like the g360a it's a lot worse

Dell laptops used to be really bad, but they've gotten a lot better recently

The g15 I had was great

2021 model

[wicked helm]

all good. i appreciate the input, and that's the beauty of asynchronous messaging

[quartz gale]

What are the general recommendations for AIOs?

[knotty sparrow]

Liquid freezer II, especially on Ryzen. Alternatives are EK-AIO and Lian Li Galahad.

[harsh crow]

Question, do you know how to fit a Arctic LF2 420mm in the fractal torrent?

[knotty sparrow]

So about that... Yes but not what you're thinking

I happen to have taken that today to put with hwbot subs

[harsh crow]

I see, so I'd have to take the front panel off.

You can't just like brute force it on?

[knotty sparrow]

You have to invert the AIO bracket so it's on the outside, shift the cooler down on the inner part so the holes line up with the fans on the outer part

You have to cut the case that's the only other way

[uneven solstice]

Is your ram oced? Like is that why you have a fan on it?

[knotty sparrow]

Very overclocked lol

[harsh crow]

I see, a video I saw cut one of the 3 bottom fan slots to make it fit.

[knotty sparrow]

That's a 5.5k rpm fan too

[harsh crow]

..... How loud is it.

[knotty sparrow]

I have to limit it to 60% max in bios or it wakes up the house

[harsh crow]

Just why.....

🤦‍♂️

[knotty sparrow]

I use what I have handy

[harsh crow]

I do not understand why you subject yourself to that level of noise.

[knotty sparrow]

It's also dangling by twist ties

[harsh crow]

And this is coming from the guy who's planning on using a all metal keyboard with metal keycaps and switches that help make a clanking noise on type...

Anyways, I guess it's up to you.

[knotty sparrow]

It very rarely hits my max set speed so it's totally tolerable at like 3k rpm

I only set it that high when benching

[harsh crow]

Z690 Tomahawk DDR5 vs Z690 Edge DDR5 which board is better or are they basically the same?

I found the 2 within a $10 difference of cost.

[knotty sparrow]

Uh lemme look hang on

I'm on mobile because benching lol

[harsh crow]

I know they both have 4 M.2 slots, 6400mhz ram support, and 6 layer pcb but not sure if there are other differences that I may've missed.

[knotty sparrow]

Looks like the Edge is just more blinged out, maybe a little more mass on the heatsinks

[harsh crow]

Gotcha, I think I will get the edge for that so it also matches the ram better.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B09KKJG58P/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

this board should go nicely with this ram and a aorus 4090.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B0BHJN7NF9/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

[knotty sparrow]

Edge has 6600 memory support and 2 more SATA ports

[harsh crow]

Oh, nice.

I wonder if 4x16gb 6000mhz cl36 ram is possible on it.

[knotty sparrow]

No

4x anything is basically impossible on Z690

[harsh crow]

Kay.

[knotty sparrow]

If you want to do that you need Z790

[harsh crow]

What are the recommended Gen 4 SSDs again? The samsung 980 pro shot up in price.

[knotty sparrow]

1TB or 2

[harsh crow]

2tb.

[knotty sparrow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VZWzK8/crucial-p5-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p5pssd8

[harsh crow]

costs more than the 980 pro on amazon.com.mx.

[knotty sparrow]

Oh right Mexico hang on

[harsh crow]

Thanks for helping me.

[knotty sparrow]

You can always refer to the tier list, been a bit since updated but still decent https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[harsh crow]

All goes well I will be ordering the parts within a week or few days.

[harsh crow]

How come this isn't pinned?

[knotty sparrow]

It is, in #storage-devices

Well my phone refuses to browse Amazon mx

And I'm currently doing ambient subzero cinebench on my desktop

Meaning it's cold as hell outside where it's running

[harsh crow]

I can imagine.

Anycase, I just browed through a lot of Amazon, and it seems for at least A and S tier SSDs the best deals I can find was the Aorus Gen 4 2TB and the Adata S50 lite 2tb.

Oh wait, I am looking at the wrong aorus ssd.

[harsh crow]

Thanks, Wi-Fi for the list.

[knotty sparrow]

I was confused who you were talking about for a minute then I remembered our Fi gag lol

[harsh crow]

Ahh lmao.

The SSD turned out to be the Kingston KC3000 2TB.

[craggy reef]

Weird question, but how do you guys apply your thermal paste? Like in an X pattern or what?

[bright ether]

I do a pea sized glob in th emiddle of the cpu

[steel bay]

Everyone is different. Put enough once u put cooler on cpu will cover the cpu once the thermal paste is pressed down

[craggy reef]

What about excess that comes out sides?

[strange flume]

Too much is better than too little

I don't worry about any that spills off the side (if it ever does)

[craggy reef]

Gotcha

Thanks

[strange flume]

As long as it's a new-ish paste they're not normally conductive

So anything you think may happen won't

[left pulsar]

(not kidding) 🤣 (not my pic, I do it as thin as possible but no see-thru)

[harsh crow]

👀

Wouldn't too much Thermal Paste mess with the contact between the CPU Block and the CPU?

[knotty sparrow]

No it'll squish down and any excess is pushed out the sides

[rotund sable]

lol I was just talking about that with someone in another server

[harsh crow]

When wiping off excess, would a paper towel work or do I need the Isypropol Alcohol to wipe it off?

[rotund sable]

Yea you can usually just use a dry paper towel, that's good enough in most cases

Unless it's that super old, caked on crap

[harsh crow]

I mean for new thermal paste if it spills out the side.

[steel bay]

Just use a towel

[knotty sparrow]

Honestly don't even worry about it. You'd probably have to take the cooler off to get under it to wipe excess which is a bad idea.

It's not conductive unless it's liquid metal. It won't hurt anything.

[shrewd juniper]

Also unless you meant paper towel, using a towel would destroy the towel not to mention probably leave bits of towel everywhere

[left pulsar]

Didn't sell FS140 so it's going on the 12400 for a while, lol. (Should I repost on hws for cheaper? Wanted to switch to a single tower like the U120EX. Always liked the Ultra 120 Extreme.

[shrewd juniper]

Not worth fs140 was selling for 27$ recently and se214xt is like 20$

[left pulsar]

T.y. At least I'm ready for 12600K, etc.

[cobalt imp]

This is oddly satisfying

[hasty willow]

i need two 140mms and 3 120mms, what should i get thats relatively quiet?

[harsh crow]

Not the most quite or loudest kinda in a mid-range but the Arctic PWM fans are usually a good bet.

They come in 140mm and 120mm.

Arctic PWM PST P12 and P14.

[hasty willow]

can i get these 5 fans for under 50 dollars

[harsh crow]

Fair price, sound is reasonable.

[harsh crow]

Probably.

[hasty willow]

ok cool

[harsh crow]

I'd take a look for your region as cost can vary wildly.

[hasty willow]

right now i have super loud corsair stock fans

[harsh crow]

xD, I feel you. In my case I have 2 EVGA CLX fans.

[hasty willow]

they suck bro

[harsh crow]

Extraordinarily loud when they ramp up.

[hasty willow]

mine dont ramp up

[harsh crow]

Luckily my recording software cuts out the noise and my headset makes it so I don't hear it either.

[hasty willow]

my noise cancelling is fine

it apparently is 46db

[harsh crow]

Holy crud that's loud.

[hasty willow]

its really loud

they also probably dont do that much

i have a dual fan aio and im running a 1080

so they dont get super hot

[harsh crow]

Yeah the arctic fans will sound silent compared to those.

[hasty willow]

cool

can i just buy them on amazon?

[harsh crow]

Yeah.

[hasty willow]

10 bucks a pop

[harsh crow]

They have ARGB and no RGB variants for about the same price.

[hasty willow]

so 50 bucks

[harsh crow]

Perfect then.

[left pulsar]

In usa the 5pk of P12 pst is $30-32 often & P14 5pk is $38ish, just an example.

[harsh crow]

Issue is he needs both P12 and P14.

[left pulsar]

5pk of the P12 + 2xP14 is almost under $50. Have a couple spares, lol.

[harsh crow]

Fair.

[wicked helm]

so you know how tv mounts have standards for mounting sizes (vesa)... is there something similar for fan/rad mount points?

[noble quarry]

yes, fan sizes are 120/140 while rad sizes are 240/280/360/420

[wicked helm]

right. so i was looking at a vi about some 200x200 fans and the mounts are not consistent

[shrewd juniper]

Those sizes are diameter in mm btw

[noble quarry]

there are some odd sizes like 80/150/180/200 for fans but those are not standarized

those are usually sold along their case

[wicked helm]

like i'm thinking in layout terms.. margins and padding.. if the bounds are 120x240 and the mounts are always like 2mm 45deg off the corner, then that's easy to work with

'cause looking at my options to see what could possibly work, it's 120x240 or 200x200, and the 200x200 results in just more sqmm in surface for a rad to have airflow, and the larger fan will push more volume, but i already have the 200mm fan in the top and the two rear fans are dead, so a 120x240 would replace those most likely, but might not be as capable as a 200x200 top mount. 120x240 most likely would be adequate to push a 105w tdp

for that matter, a beefy air cooler would probably also do well enough, but then people are like "liquid can maintain lower temps"

[noble quarry]

a beefy air cooler is as good if not sometimes better than a 240 aio

i have an ak620 myself and that is a beast

[wicked helm]

ie. they're comparable, but they way they overlap usually leans on the water side

[shrewd juniper]

Might have an easier time if you tell us what case and cpu you have/want

[noble quarry]

still air is more reliable than water

[wicked helm]

true

[noble quarry]

fire and forget for the next 10 years

[wicked helm]

saw people have concerns over if you have to move your pc and it has a heavy block on it that it can damage the board

[noble quarry]

well, to be fair, if you have to move your pc over constantly, you should remove the heatsink before moving to avoid complications

[wicked helm]

was having this conversation the past few days. familiar faces will know already. i have an antec1200 that i'm hoping to retain. it has a ton of headroom above the board between there and the 200x200 top fan, and the 2x 120x120 rear fans line up roughly with the cpu so they aren't in the way of the pci slots at all

and judging by the spacing in there now, there's quite a bit of space between the cpu socket and the side panel

[shrewd juniper]

Btw you don't need to say 120x120 because 120mm when talking about fans means a radius of 120mm

[noble quarry]

yes the antec1200 have 170mm clearance for tower coolers

enough for most coolers

[wicked helm]

ya, i just didn't want to confuse the numbers between talking about fan dimensions vs aio dimensions

[shrewd juniper]

Aios are only in multiples of 120mm or 140mm so you can say 2x120 if you really want to but that's called a 240mm

[wicked helm]

so.. future question.. would you say liquid is generally less cost-effective for lifetime operation and generally only well suited to aesthetics or severe overclocking compared to air cooling

went over these questions in 2009 and it was just easier to go with the stock fan, but you always wonder whether it's the best decision

[shrewd juniper]

Whether you should go aio or air just depends on the cpu your using

[wicked helm]

so that i have down to the intel one from yesterday, or the am4 5800x3d, or the am5 7700x

looking for the code, one sec

intel would be i7-13700kf

both amd are 105w, the intel is 125w

[wicked helm]

ah. that's interesting. antec made a special radiator specifically to fit their 200mm fan

[twin ivy]

Doesn't rlly matter cause there gonna go much higher than that lol

Also yea ur gonna want an aio for those chips

[wicked helm]

see that's not making my decision easy. lol

realistic comparison... aio or custom pipes

custom obv means reservoir. aio i think is just a tight local loop

[shrewd juniper]

Tdp numbers basically mean nothing, what size aio can you fit in your case btw? 5800x3d could be an okay choice if you can find it cheep enough but other than that 13600k(f) or 13700k(f) are superior than the amd options atm

In normal dimensions i.e. 120mm or 140mm increments

[wicked helm]

aio, i have a couple choices for fan apertures. 240 (rear) or 200 square (top)

i can fit a bigger rad underneath the top fan than the size of the fan mount

[wicked helm]

there was a recent price drop. 5800x3d went from like 450usd to 300usd. i have to dig up the link

[shrewd juniper]

5800x3d price and availability has been spotty but tbh if you don't already have an am4 motherboard I'd go 13600k(f) or 13700k(f)

Also 5800x3d is extremely hard to cool

[wicked helm]

ya, i'm replacing a phenom2x4 with matching socket and ddr3, so the whole trio is being replaced with something

yup. xmas discount code. 5800x3d for $299

[shrewd juniper]

I'd still get a 13600k or 13600kf over that personally

[shrewd juniper]

And probably an arctic liquid freezer ii 240mm

[craggy reef]

My AIO cooler already has past on it...do I just leave it on and put mine on the cpu?

Or clean it and use mine?

[rotund sable]

You should just use what's on there

No need to waste thermal paste

[craggy reef]

I have no clue what it is though lol...and there's a tiny blemish with none on it

[rotund sable]

It'll work fine. If you wanna dispell any doubt, just leave hwinfo64 running in the background while playing a game or rendering something and take a look at the temps

[craggy reef]

And it's going on a 5800X3D if that makes a difference

I hear they get a little hot....that's why I was worried

[rotund sable]

Yea, I wouldn't worry about it

[craggy reef]

Ok...thanks for the help bud

[karmic leaf]

Anybody up tonight that can help me with a ATX Case issue. I am building a pc for my grandson for Christmas and just starting installing components. The case appears to be just a little too short for the radiator to too mount. The MSI motherboard has heat shield over I/O plate that prevents motherboard installation. I tried taking back apart and reversing order of installation. It’s MSI cooler and motherboard but case is musetek

[strange flume]

Can you install the radiator on the front instead

[craggy reef]

What's normal Temps in C°

Liquids on top ...cpu on bottom

[shrewd juniper]

Depends on the aio, load, cpu, room temp, etc

[craggy reef]

Well when should I start worrying. Is a better question lol

[shrewd juniper]

Anything under 95c under load and you're doing just fine

[craggy reef]

Ok thanks

[wicked helm]

any recommendations on 120mm fans. one high static pressure for a side intake through a filter, and the other 2 for rear exhaust

[hasty willow]

Noctua is good

[low pumice]

Arctic p12

[wicked helm]

ya, they have a solid page of options. i was looking at the nf-f12 pwm, but then there's also a 5v option. the 5v will be damaged if it's given a 12 rail from the mb, so i think i need to confirm the power supply options on the board and then make sure i can supplement that with power from the seasonic

[low pumice]

In terms of noctua, for static pressure, grab nf-p12, for everything else, nf-a12x25

Also, the 5v one is labeled as 5v

If it's not labeled as 5v, it's going to be normal 12v

[wicked helm]

k. any big standouts between f12 and p12

[left pulsar]

The normal 3 or 4 pin headers are 12v. F12 is kinda poopoo, or aka pointless

[shrewd juniper]

honestly just get arctic p12

[unique lily]

b4n4n4p4nd4#5805 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[low pumice]

https://noctua.at/en/which_fan_is_right_for_me

[wicked helm]

wow. bad lanuguage warning?

k. so f12 is flow-oriented. p12 is pressure orirented. you say the flow one is bad for flow regardless?

[left pulsar]

Yea I've heard the F12 just loses "steam" quick w/ any blockage at all (mesh) & isn't even great w/ no mesh. --EDIT: 5pk of the p12 pst is often $30ish. Pst means daisychain any and save mobo headers or w/e.

[wicked helm]

fair enough

5pk... that's way better than i'm seeing on the part picker

[left pulsar]

(glance at "other sellers" sometimes for stuff sold & shipped by Amazon specifically https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-ACFAN00137A-Value-Pack-Pressure-Optimized/dp/B07HC782D5

[shrewd juniper]

f12 looses in all regards to p12 iirc

[wicked helm]

ya, i don't see a single multi-pack of noctua on shamazon

so that arctic p12 5pk is a great deal

[strange flume]

Noctua doesn't do multi-packs iirc

Stuck paying like, $20 a fan in a stack of singles lol

Meanwhile the P12's are 5 for like 35-ish

[wicked helm]

it would be awesome if pcpart picker could integrate shipping tax and duty between different regions to bucket together a central order which dispatches out to each other vendor's ecommerce system

[shrewd juniper]

Well there wre different countries of pc part picker?

Should be using your local one usually

[wicked helm]

Didn't know that. Will double check

[shrewd juniper]

For example for Germany https://de.pcpartpicker.com/

[cobalt imp]

New PSU and AIO to complete the build 👌🏼

[harsh crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMXonRuD_zw

Best cooler of all time, lmao.

[knotty sparrow]

It would have worked better if it was mounted better. So they wouldn't have to rebuild poor Spiff's PC because the case is melted and smells of propane

[strong pelican]

is it ok if i used the lga 2011 standoffs for lga1700?

[strong pelican]

lots of suffering from corsair btw

[marsh badge]

no, it won't fit

I would try to contact Corsair for a 1700 bracket

[strong pelican]

Thanks

[twin ivy]

is there a recommended/optimal pump speed for the ls720?

[shrewd juniper]

pump speed on all aios should be locked at 100%

[strange flume]

No

[twin ivy]

Oh?

[strange flume]

LS720 has it's best speed somewhere in the middle

[twin ivy]

Hmm

[strange flume]

Go ask the cultists

I remember 60%

[twin ivy]

The cultists

[twin ivy]

Ok

[strange flume]

The cultists

[twin ivy]

I have it at 65

Rn

[strange flume]

Reason is that it's basically like a water loop moment

Pump is super strong but doesn't need to run at 100% for best flow rate

[shrewd juniper]

Wait what

[strange flume]

@twin ivy 70% not 60%

[twin ivy]

Okayy thanks for the help

As always

[strange flume]

[shrewd juniper]

Interesting

I whonder why

[twin ivy]

Just a strong pump ig

[strange flume]

The pump in it is ridiculous

[twin ivy]

To much flow causes turbulence

[uneven solstice]

huh. I wonder if the Galahad should be ran at a lower speed.

[cobalt imp]

Im liking my in game temps in Microsoft Flight Simulator on the new H150i 360 👌🏼

[strong pelican]

can someone please explain to me what does all this mean and why is it yellow (unlike the load one)? also
whats core 1, 2, 3..etc supposed to mean and how do I know and monitor my cpu's temp?
(Thats iCUE btw)

[sweet lodge]

it means u should use better software

(hwinfo)

[cobalt imp]

So just installed the Corsair H150i Elite Capellix AIO and use SignalRGB for lighting...as such, iCue is not on my machine so they dont conflict. Is there a way to control the H150i pump and fan speeds without iCue?

[low pumice]

Through bios

[magic sparrow]

Fan Control also works

[woven vale]

How is this for cpu cooler/ tower fan curve

[twin ivy]

Your cpu fan is gonna be at full throttle before reaching 20c lmao why does ur chart go so high

15,000rpm cpu cooler

[shadow flicker]

(Insert it's over 9,000 joke here)

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-pulgar-arriba-gif-26206840

[supple harbor]

is the arctic freezer still the cooler to beat

or is there new alternatives?

[marsh badge]

it's still the meta

just pricing has been kinda meh

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah the B-stock dried up, looks like they're done with fixing up the gaskets

Glad I grabbed a 420 when it was $75

[supple harbor]

ye i noticed pricing was p bad

compared to what it was b4

[sacred wren]

Ls720 white has been decently priced for a while

[shrewd juniper]

Since ik you where looking for itx cases be careful a lot of coolers in the style of the liquid freezer with the tubes facing up don't fit in majority of itx cases

So in that case you'd want something like ek 240mm or 280mm preferably or deepcool ls520(240mm)

@strange flume they're making a Galahad 2 :o
https://youtu.be/IRe9qjt2tHw

[strange flume]

Ya I haven't watched that yet

Been working on my pc's lol

[shrewd juniper]

I skipped all the o11 stuff

[shrewd juniper]

But rad apparently has 45% more surface area on the rad

[strange flume]

Surface area?

Or FPI

[shrewd juniper]

Sorry in fin density

I was watching while talking and he said "increases surface area as well" misunderstood

It's also thiccer and wider owo

And a 280mm yay

[strange flume]

Well a better galahad like that might brute force the galahad to the top

But we're talking maybe a couple C in water temp

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah yeah

They're going to 32mm instead of 28mm thicc and 130mm wide instead of 122mm

Not to shabby

[strange flume]

Interesting

[shrewd juniper]

Learning from arctic

[strange flume]

130mm wide might make it incompatible with some cases

[shrewd juniper]

Thicc ess

[strange flume]

[shrewd juniper]

Probably

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-commons-what-on-earth-what-is-going-on-what-on-earth-is-going-on-in-the-house-of-commons-gif-26415865

[strange flume]

@shrewd juniper omfg the cable management options in the evo xl

YES

TAKE MY MONEY

[shrewd juniper]

The bar thingie?

That seemed kinda cute but eh

[strange flume]

Ye

[shrewd juniper]

Honestly i just couldn't care less about any o11 just so bland imo idk why

[strange flume]

• cries in 2 o11's *

If you haven't built in one before Pato, it makes the case very appealing

Esp for water

@shrewd juniper galahad is alpatek

[shrewd juniper]

I haven't

I've built in like 4 cases

[strange flume]

Build more

Smh techie

[shrewd juniper]

Nzxt s340, h510, 4000d airflow and some office corsair case for my dad

[strange flume]

5 a day

[shrewd juniper]

I don't have enough pcs to build

[rotund sable]

900d better

[sacred wren]

Just glue some 7000d airflows together

[quartz gale]

Are most am4 compatible cpu coolers compatible on am5?

[knotty sparrow]

If they use the stock clip mechanism yes. The backplate is different.

[shrewd juniper]

Might need to get a different bracket depends on the aio

[supple harbor]

ye im contemplating jus going with reg atx

nothing in the itx scene seems interesting to me

[shrewd juniper]

fair enough

unfortunately i havent seen arctic in stock a lot though at a decent price apart from like the 420mm

[supple harbor]

yeaa, its p bad

i still needa find a case too, meshify c has caught my interest again but i kinda wanna try something new

[shrewd juniper]

new cases i would try would maybe be the fractal focus 2, insane value case, phanteks g360a is kinda new?

but its basically a p400a x p360a

[supple harbor]

ye it does kinda look similar

ima fan of sliger cases but theyre expensive and on back order

[sweet lodge]

my favorite case is no case

[topaz blaze]

Can I use top and bottom vents for intake and front for exhaust?

[noble quarry]

if you like to have hot air blowed to your face, yeah sure

[harsh crow]

I am gonna order all the cooling parts for my PC today but due to the Arctic Freezer ii 360 shooting up in price by more than double what are the other AIOs you guys recommend?

I can't find the black Ls720 and I can only find the 240mm EK AIO.

Just found the LT720

[shrewd juniper]

LT720 is good too

[harsh crow]

Just ordered, the LT720, 3xP14s, 6xP12s, and the TT contact frame.

[shrewd juniper]

you have 12 fan slots????

[harsh crow]

10, I am replacing the fans on the LT720 for ARGB ones to get glow on both inside and front of the case.

I will order the Mobo/CPU probs next week.

[shrewd juniper]

btw lt720 has argb fans

[harsh crow]

Oh, Amazon didn't list that.

Well what's done is done, and at least the fans will be matching.

P12s vs the fans on the AIO which is better out of curiosity?

[shrewd juniper]

idk if theres a comparison

i think they use the fc120's on the aios but could be wrong

[harsh crow]

Gotcha.

[shrewd juniper]

also amazon listings often dont have all the info

[harsh crow]

If not for the fact it'd blow my budget right out the window I'd have bought 9 Sl-Infinity fans.

[sweet lodge]

lt720 fans look just barely kinda like gt's so theyre probably good

[strange flume]

Iirc good but noisy?

They'll be FC120's, same as the LS

[harsh crow]

what does "lirc" stand for?

[magic sparrow]

If I recall correctly

[rotund sable]

If I recall correctly it stand for if I recall correctly it stands for if I recall correctly, all that assuming I recall correctly

[sweet lodge]

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

[raw schooner]

is this a good fan setup?

i’d have one more fan header at this point

[knotty sparrow]

Yep that's an ideal setup

Even the part where you don't have a top front fan to steal air from the cooler

[raw schooner]

alright, thanks

is it safe to daisy chain 3 fans to one 1 amp header?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes absolutely. The fans themselves will tell you how much they use at max speed. Just stay under the max header rating for all the fans put together and you can chain as many as you need.

[noble quarry]

hey that look like my pc

but my ak is inverted it seems xD

(have the logo on the top)

[steel river]

i just built my pc and the rgb on the front fans turn on but they are not spinning at all. my case is lianli lancool 3 and mb is rog strix z690 a gaming

[sweet lodge]

plug them in

[low pumice]

Rgb and the fan themselves are powered by different cables

[strange flume]

I kinda wanna...
Test an LF2 360 vs an EK elite with P12's

/EK Basic/EK D-RGB

[knotty sparrow]

P12s are a lot quieter

EK technically has more static pressure but it's not going to make a lot of difference real world

[strange flume]

Those EK's have a huge hub in the middle tho

So curious if P12's make it run even a little better still

[spice bramble]

plz help me I need a cooling pad for my laptop

[knotty sparrow]

What size and model laptop?

[quartz gale]

Is the difference between the EK elite D-RGB and EK D-RGB: Different pump block, 3 more fans, and an included RGB controller hub?

[strange flume]

Same pump block, better coldplate, 3 more fans and a hub yes

Realistically the difference however is minimal and absolutely not worth any investment in the elite ever

<Owns both AIO's (Got the elite for free)

If you're considering best in class performance consider the Deepcool LS720/LT720 or Arctic Liquid Freezer II

[quartz gale]

Thanks for the info. I got a pretty good deal on the EK D-RGB, so I just got that for my future build. I am sure that the three you listed will perform better, but I am sure the EK will do fine for my build.

[strange flume]

The EK D-RGB is about equal with the others actually, just not the best price normally

It's a very good aio, I used it for a couple years now, no complaints at all

(except the noisy fans but those can be swapped)

[zenith karma]

hey guys so basically I was looking for some good fans for a decent price for my friend so he has spots for 1 back 2 top and 3 front (or 2 140) so I have come to 1x Scythe Kaze Flex 120(1800rpm not 1200) back and 2x Scythe Kaze Flex 140 front
(total being around 42 euro)
any thoughts on this also if this choice is good is it better to get the 140 square basically with corner pieces or just round?

[sweet lodge]

p12 or p14

kaze flex is nice tho

scythe my beloved

[toxic crest]

Whats a decent cooler (under 80) thats able to cool a 5800x?

[left pulsar]

AK620, FS140/FC140.

[sacred wren]

pa120 se should do the job for gaming

[sonic harness]

Hello everyone, i have a question and i was referred to this discord for the answer, i dont know if this is the right place to ask, but its about cooling. So i am getting the thermaltake P8 case in soon and i need fans for this new build, but the LianLI fan daisy chain UNI LI 120MM daisy chain fans i need 3 set of 4 fans for 3 different areas in the case, so my question is do you need 3 different controllers or can the person putting the computer together wire all 3 sets into one controller?

[sonic harness]

So if anyone knows let me know please.

[low pumice]

Depends on the controller and how many fans the specific controller can utilize

[sonic harness]

@low pumice well that’s what I am trying to figure out the daisy chain LIAN LI FANS have a set of 3 so do I need to get 3 controllers or just one to control all 12 fans total ?

[low pumice]

What controller are you trying to use? Coolermaster's argb controller?
If you're buying Lian li's controller, it should be usable with up to 16 fans, if you're going with no controller, you should be able to daisychain up to 5 fans per pwm header (assuming 1a header) and up to 5 fans per argb header (assuming 3a header)

[sonic harness]

Ok so the fans that I am getting let me show you

Can j upload a pic

https://www.newegg.com/lian-li-uf-sl120-3w-case-fan/p/1YF-005G-000A9?item=9SIAFSTJ7F2969

So I will have 4 of these together and 3 sets

One for under the gpu and front of case and the side of the mother board in that space

[dreamy jolt]

I'm currently looking for a 200mm fan that is as quiet as suitably possible but also does good cooling. It will be a case fan not a CPU fan but the case isn't huge. Will be going into the front of the Obsidian 250D.
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Obsidian-Series™-250D-Mini-ITX-PC-Case/p/CC-9011047-WW#tab-overview
I found this Noctua 120mm fan which looks like will be good for me to install on the side of the case.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KF7R49S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A38F5RZ72I2JQ&psc=1
I'm thinking something like having the 200mm fan to pull cold air in and then the 2 120mm fans blow out again 🤷‍♂️
No RGB needed, so plain design is fine

[low pumice]

The controller is supposedly usable for up to 16 fans, but I would probably just do about 6 per controller

[sonic harness]

So one controller should be able to control 12 fans then?

[low pumice]

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-A20-PWM-chromax-Black-swap-200x30mm/dp/B07ZP46RNR/

[low pumice]

It's what Lian Li says

[sonic harness]

ok ok sounds good thank you

[dreamy jolt]

Awesome, looks good, thanks

[hexed tundra]

So the thing won’t let me send pictures for some reason. What do you guys think about the deep cool Gammaxx GT A-RGB? It’s for a build with the gigabyte H310M A, i5-8600K cpu, and a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB. I want to upgrade to a quieter cooling fan mainly.

[knotty sparrow]

If the goal is a quieter fan just swap your current one for an Arctic P12 or P14, they have RGB too

Unless you're on a stock cooler right now, in which case I'd suggest the Vetroo V5

[hexed tundra]

I am using a stock intel cooler that came with my old i3-8100

[shrewd juniper]

assuming you are in the US id get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb

[lone jacinth]

I think Ik the answer but my mates aio pipes are boiling hot and the cpu is 94 ideal, but the pump is pulsing humming, I'm guessing it's dead

[strange flume]

One pipe will be hot, one cold

Relatively speaking

Depends on the aio and it's thermal capacity, also 94 could be basically throttling if the pump is dying and it's a ryzen chip

[sacred wren]

@left pulsar opinions? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09P34RVPX/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A1BCKG4OE2CKC4&psc=1

[left pulsar]

wow $25. Definitely great value! Tell me I shouldn't pick up 1 spare, lol.

[steel bay]

i have the fs140 v3 black rn works with my 5600 no issue. noise barely noitceable

[sacred wren]

i just did

[strange flume]

Whoaaaa

[woven vale]

Anyone good with cpu fan curve

[shrewd juniper]

i usually just do 30% to 30c then 100% at 70c works pretty good for pretty much everything

[woven vale]

Soo put all 30c to 30%?

[shrewd juniper]

Like this ,ignore the line that's already there just needed a graph to draw on

[woven vale]

Mjne looks a little different

[shrewd juniper]

If you start dragging the dots i believe something should go on the bottom too to show you where to place i think

If not you can guestimate from the values on the very right where it says 87c 86%

[woven vale]

That?

[shrewd juniper]

Uh i was hoping for a temp title on the x axis

[woven vale]

Side note is my curve good?

[shrewd juniper]

Looks good

[errant palm]

can i get some help on fan orientation, i genuinely cant tell if this is the in or out

[knotty sparrow]

That's intake as pictured

[twin ivy]

Flip it for exaust

[errant palm]

Thanks

[surreal eagle]

in your guy's opinion are thermal take coolers good

[rotund sable]

[noble quarry]

some are bad, some are good... you need to look for the model not the brand

[static cosmos]

On Mw2 is this normal?

I believe its C

[low pumice]

Yes, normal

[static cosmos]

My gpu to cpu ratio is huge then haha

What would be slightly out of normal ranges

[low pumice]

Normal since mw2 is more graphically intensive and shouldn't rely much on the CPU

[static cosmos]

Alright thanks I appreciate it

[low pumice]

You're welcome

[shrewd juniper]

Idk about the actual game but warzone is incredibly cpu bound

[rotund sable]

I would know

[low pumice]

Usage wise it's still heavier on the GPU iirc

At least in my experience

Like it'll pull say 60w from full load for say 6 cores, and pull say 300w from full load for the GPU

[shrewd juniper]

Haven't checked how much it'll pull but same settings, 1440p mainly low , going r5 3600 3600c14 to 13600k stock with 3200c16 i went from 100-130fps to 180-220fps in warzone

[low pumice]

Ye but I'm talking about power draw not performance here, the question was about temps

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh right

[noble quarry]

my bad didnt read properly

why dont you go medium pato? you have a lot of fps to spare. Or the difference in image quality is not as noticeable to bother?

[shrewd juniper]

In fps games the more fps you get the better and difference is minor

[noble quarry]

nice to know 😮

[sharp elm]

Bros cpu underload is cooler than me idling

[twin ivy]

Lmao prob not much of a load but still

[surreal eagle]

disregarding the price is ASUS Rog Ryujin 360 any good

using i5-13600KF

[noble quarry]

hard to judge ignoring the price

[surreal eagle]

180 is a lot

but hte animated thing is a really nice aesthetic imo

[strange flume]

It's a generic asetek

Asetek is never good these days

Not unless you pay a stupid cheap price for it and well, we're ignoring price ig

[surreal eagle]

do you know any good 360 mm aio coolers with a lcd though?

[strange flume]

Alternative suggestion

Got an old phone? Stick that in the case and use a desktop app

[surreal eagle]

fair

[strange flume]

Then get a cheaper and/or better aio or good air cooler for the i5

My personal favourite is the deepcool ls720/lt720

[surreal eagle]

Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler is what ill prolly use

[strange flume]

Ak620 is a good choice

I approve

[surreal eagle]

would you say its better than ls720

[strange flume]

No, ls720 is ultimately far better

But for a 13600k(f) ak620 is good

[surreal eagle]

might use a ls 720 then

[strange flume]

Go for it really

You could do that or an arctic liquid freezer 2 280 or 360

Or an ek basic 360

All 3 are almost overkill

[noble quarry]

i use an ak620 for my 13600kf

no problems so far

[surreal eagle]

literaly what i almost wouldve done

[shrewd juniper]

You can also just get like a 7" monitor and put that in like done here

#build-pics message

[twin ivy]

Geuss i mad a good decision than

Other than monolithic ryzen being weird with it

[surreal eagle]

is ek basic 360 mm good

for 120

[strange flume]

@surreal eagle 120?

Oh price

Ye it's decent

[surreal eagle]

vs ls720?

[strange flume]

They're close in performance to each other so it's good

[surreal eagle]

alright

ty

[sweet lodge]

asetek aio with bootleg gt's on is topping charts atm

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-meg-coreliquid-s280-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/7.html

same pricing issues tho

280mm also beating 360mm, not that there's much surface area difference

oh and 280mm less hotspot too i guess

inclusion, get cheapest asetek aio and throw server fans on them

[strange flume]

[soft sonnet]

How do I make my pc not run as hot

Like the whole thing itself

Cause sometimes it just heats up the entire room

[low pumice]

Undervolt CPU and GPU

[soft sonnet]

?

[low pumice]

Less power it draws less heat it outputs

[soft sonnet]

How do I do this

[low pumice]

https://youtu.be/zUkPAVcb9Xc

[soft sonnet]

Will it still run the same?

Or less performance

Nvm

[twin ivy]

yes sometimes better performance

[soft sonnet]

Alr

[toxic crest]

Whats a decent cooler (under60) thats able to cool a 5800x?

[strange flume]

Stock or overclocked to hell?

[toxic crest]

normal gaming

dont plan to overclock

[strange flume]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354449320291

This

[toxic crest]

thats

a little over 60

[strange flume]

Oh sorry 60

Didn't see that my b

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MkFbt6/deepcool-ag620-bk-argb-6788-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag620-bkanmn-g-2

This

[toxic crest]

ill check it out

Might be a bit too big and hit my ram

but ill try it out

thanks

[strange flume]

[snow wyvern]

Has anyone heard anything about the Thermaltake TH240 AIO? Or can someone give me a few reputable AIO’s to look at? There’s so many. Looking to get a 240mm-280mm

[sacred wren]

liquid freezer ii

[left pulsar]

Different gpu, but here's a quick n dirty example for anyone wondering how we can drop wattage/heat quite a bit from stock. (Some cards also don't start out at 300w+ of course, lol)

[knotty sparrow]

OC+UV ftw

[left pulsar]

After Strix 1080, indeed I'll have a hard time not still seeing 2+ ghz, lol. (Regardless of obvious gen differences). we're gonna test this 650w well.

[strange flume]

TH is meh, go LFII or EK basic

[snow wyvern]

Thanks for the replies

[torn flame]

I just installed a Kraken X53 onto my blower model 2080ti and my idle temps have gotten a lot better, however, my gpu is still getting hot under load and its causing it to throttle, pump speeds are at a constant 100% and so are the radiator fans. does anyone know why it would be like this?

[knotty sparrow]

Uneven mount maybe

[strange flume]

Uneven or poor

Kraken G12 is more like a bandaid solution to a card rather than a proper aio solution*

[marsh badge]

^

[modest carbon]

Replacing my fans on my AIO GPU and CPU is that always going to take away their ability to auto adjust their speed ?

[marsh badge]

nah

you can get one of those fans you can put in a daisy chain

like p12 pwm pst

[shrewd juniper]

How good is thermalright t57 i think it is? Just got a huge tube with my contact frame

[modest carbon]

Thank you

[strange flume]

It's known to work just fine as a paste but I wouldn't count on it to be a winner

[shrewd juniper]

ah okay so ill use that when repasting the stuff that not pull much brr ty gud sir

[strange flume]

[shrewd juniper]

ɹᴉs pnƃ ʎʇ :Ɩsʞuoʇs: ɹɹq ɥɔnɯ llnd ʇou ʇɐɥʇ ɟɟnʇs ǝɥʇ ƃuᴉʇsɐdǝɹ uǝɥʍ ʇɐɥʇ ǝsn llᴉ os ʎɐʞo ɥɐ :oƃ noʎ ǝɹǝɥ noʎ ɹoɟ ʇᴉ ǝᴉssnɐ oʇ ʇoƃɹoɟ ᴉ ʎɹɹos

[noble quarry]

my brain just committed suicide looking at that

[shrewd juniper]

uʍop ǝpᴉsdn sǝuoɥd ɹno uɹnʇ oʇ ǝʌɐɥ sǝʞoɟ ǝɹǝɥdsᴉɯǝɥ uɹǝɥʇɹou sn 'ʞɐǝds ǝᴉssnɐ s,ʇI

[strange flume]

Wow, *folks

smh it's not that hard

Soon he'll be saying northern forks

[noble quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-exhausted-telettubies-po-pass-out-gif-17396467

[strange flume]

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh sush engrish hard

[noble quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-get-a-test-english-grade-gif-15364570

[strange flume]

Smh ur an Englishman

U had one job

[shrewd juniper]

Wrong gif

https://tenor.com/view/st-patricks-day-kiss-me-im-irish-four-leaf-clover-lucky-clover-gif-16590807

(on Tuesdays)

[idle tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960940043952861244/1061492791726833754/PXL_20230108_035307045.jpg

[knotty sparrow]

What no lapping or direct die?

[idle tiger]

it's a 7900x that's getting an ln2 pot tomorrow, neither are necessary

Incredibly flat IHS, I was surprised

Probably going in my daily after this

Always fun to beat ln2 on a u12a https://hwbot.org/benchmark/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/rankings?start=0&cores=12#start=0#interval=20

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah LN2 would make that redundant. Just hope you don't get condensation under the IHS since it's not sealed.

[idle tiger]

Non-issue, I just run a socket heater and cover the pot in hand towels. Super easy

My 1st ln2 run vs last
https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u340278/image_id_2424863.jpeg
https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u340278/image_id_2830631.jpeg

I drape a bunch of other towels around everything, just took them off for the rig pic

Usually looks like this

[regal plaza]

best cooling for 7700x?

[knotty sparrow]

Stock or overclocked? And in what budget? And what case?

Overall "best" I would probably say liquid freezer 420mm but the cases that can fit in are few and far between.

[regal plaza]

Oveclocked probably, 80ish? lian li 215

[idle tiger]

PBO? CO? you'd be fine with an arctic 240, but I'd go 280 if aio

[knotty sparrow]

Max thickness of top mount is 55mm, LF2 is 65mm

[rotund sable]

280 is probably better value anyway assuming the bstock price hasnt changed

LF2 goated

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah LF2 280 is still $80 b-stock, but it's too thick for that case

[rotund sable]

bummer

[knotty sparrow]

Unless you front mount but that defeats the purpose of the front 200mm fans

[rotund sable]

solution: no case

[regal plaza]

yeah no like fancy overclocking lol just the automatic stuff

ive already bought everything but the cooler just looking for what would be best

[idle tiger]

I wouldn't look for best, but instead for "good enough and what makes sense for a 7700x running -10 CO stock boost pbo"

[regal plaza]

moreso the best for my situation lol but yeah

[rotund sable]

value is what matters- "price to performance"

[idle tiger]

Go with whatever best in class air cooler imo, unless you want aio for aesthetics

[rotund sable]

[idle tiger]

The gaming difference will be so small

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah true, AK620 would probably be plenty

[idle tiger]

Can't go wrong with a u12a 🙂

[regal plaza]

AIOs are a hassle 😨

[idle tiger]

Less so with arctic, but sure

[rotund sable]

just depends on which you get tbh

[regal plaza]

ive never used one they just seem hard to install ngl

and they go bad after a bit right?

[strange flume]

Aio's can be much easier

[regal plaza]

algae or something

[strange flume]

Just more screws

And no

[noble quarry]

i should go ak620 no questions asked

[strange flume]

They lose liquid over time

But a looong time

[knotty sparrow]

Compared to air coolers that technically can be used forever sure, but most AIOs work for 5-10 years

[noble quarry]

slap the fans and you can leave them on their own for the next 10 years

air coolers are bae

[idle tiger]

https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u340278/image_id_2835602.jpeg

[noble quarry]

aios to me are a miss or hit... they can go well for the next 5 years or pump failure and rma at 9 months 😦

still air coolers outlive them

[strange flume]

I mean

$10 to refill an aio

[knotty sparrow]

Could do U14S for $80

[sacred wren]

i actually bought the fc140 on sale when it was like $25 as a backup incase something happens with my aio

[strange flume]

What would kill an aio would really be dead pump

[noble quarry]

or leaking

[rotund sable]

neither happen often lol

[knotty sparrow]

I've never seen one leak

[rotund sable]

permeation is more realistic than an actual leak

[noble quarry]

thing is aios have way more points of failure compared to air coolers.... yes you can rma those no problems, but why the hassle? just slap an air cooler and forget for the next 10 years

[idle tiger]

TBH, for a single ccd zen4 chip, get something large like a d15 or modern equivalent https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14621/Curves.png

I like u12a's for some uses, but have a d15 in the daily for that reason

And there are cheaper $40 equivalents

[noble quarry]

using the clc280 right?

doing good so far?

[sacred wren]

yeah

yeah, highest ive seen is 80c under multicore loads

[strange flume]

Overclock

[sacred wren]

let me check what im getting in valorant rn

[strange flume]

[sacred wren]

i plan to

[strange flume]

U using contact frame?

[sacred wren]

nah, if i decide i want to see how far i can oc i probably will get one

[regal plaza]

i was lookin at the ak620 or the dark rock pro 4, not sure which is a better choice

[knotty sparrow]

Air coolers can't touch the best liquid coolers in terms of performance, especially on AM4/AM5 using LF2

[sacred wren]

49c after playing valorant for an hour

[sacred wren]

ag620

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MkFbt6/deepcool-ag620-bk-argb-6788-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag620-bkanmn-g-2

[strange flume]

Will make a huge difference when you do overclock, more than a better aio

[idle tiger]

Dark rock pro is probably quieter noise normalized at low noise levels, but you'll spend $30+ more

[strange flume]

AG620 is the current goat

[rotund sable]

I had a 240 and 360, both worked excellently.

[marsh badge]

shoulda named it AGC620

a great cooler 620

[rotund sable]

the 360 i had was specifically for OC

[noble quarry]

cant argue with that, and i agree... but for a stock/pbo chip an air cooler is more than enough.... aio is a thing if you plan to push the silicon, cause air coolers can go up vs 240, but they lose against 280/360s

[idle tiger]

I mean, do you want the best? Or do you want something that'll get you 250 vs 260 fps valorant for $30 less? Decide which is worth more to you

[proper cradle]

Don't buy nzxt Z73 360mm

[noble quarry]

yeah clcs are pretty good and cheap, but reviews says they are loud af... still nothing some p12s cant fix. at the end of the day the pump is the one thing that matters

[rotund sable]

i wouldnt lol

[rotund sable]

they are pretty loud lol

but i didnt care, and i use open-back headphones

[regal plaza]

i just wanna make sure it helps extend the lifespan 😭

[rotund sable]

it's just loud relatively speaking.

[proper cradle]

I mean max temps was 90C at 250W with 11900k

[idle tiger]

non-issue

[regal plaza]

and also that it runs well ofc

with good value

[idle tiger]

Like I said, you're probably going to run a -10 to -20 CO on that chip with no fmax boost pbo for daily, a high tier air cooler will do you well

If you want that extra 10 fps, get an aio recommended by the community

[regal plaza]

im not gonna lie

what does that sentence mean

co fmax boost pbo

all confuse me 😢

[idle tiger]

You said you wanted to overclock

That's how you overclock zen4 for daily

[regal plaza]

i just meant like the uh the auto overclock

[knotty sparrow]

CO = Curve Optimizer
fmax = frequency max (boost limit)
PBO = Precision Boost Overdrive

You could just enable PBO and call it a day if you wanted the easy mode

Maybe a negative voltage offset

[magic sparrow]

If by "auto OC" you mean PBO, that works. If you meant 1usmus's tool for auto OC, it's is dangerous to the hardware and isnt updated for CO anyways afaik so dont use it.

[noble quarry]

im pretty sure he meant pbo and fire and forget

[idle tiger]

fmax is a setting in pbo, CO shifts down the default v/f curve for vcore, fmax shifts it up - but for freq

[strange flume]

Even ryzen masters auto oc is a waste

[idle tiger]

Run your zen4 chip stock and you'll be plenty happy

[regal plaza]

yeah its 7700x better than what ive ever had either way 😭

[knotty sparrow]

See what happens at stock and if you think there's room for more then enable PBO and call it good

[idle tiger]

TBH, enabling pbo alone might hurt or do nothing, CO is the way to get more performance without fancy cooling

[noble quarry]

most of the time just warm your room for no benefit

well... keeps you warm

[idle tiger]

The extra 25-50 watts that pbo enabling puts into your room is negligible

Your human makes 100+

[noble quarry]

was sarcasm -.-!

[knotty sparrow]

Useful since it's winter now.
ǝᴉssn∀ uɐ ǝɹ,noʎ ssǝlu∩

[regal plaza]

LOL thats neat

[knotty sparrow]

The text? It's the only way to talk to them in upside down land, don't you know.

https://www.upsidedowntext.com/

[strange flume]

What do you know about my human

[idle tiger]

Yeah, if you're a bodybuilder eating 4k calories a day, 194 watts

[strange flume]

I consume 4K every day (youtube)

I guess I'm a 194W tdp

[noble quarry]

hey! stop it, dont summon him

[idle tiger]

r/atbge https://i.imgur.com/8joK4aq.jpeg

[fluid gate]

new to the pc side of things but im trying to get some help on finding a new tower case that is compatible with my internals so i can upgrade my air flow and be able to add a liquid cooler to my cpu but im lost then looking at the cases on new egg anyone think they will be able to help me out?

[shrewd juniper]

A decent choice for most people is the phanteks g360a, it comes with stock rgb fans and you can mount up to a 360mm radiator on top

[odd wigeon]

Say, I wanted to install an AIO, would the remaining maximum 2x 140mm intake at the top and 1x 120 mm exhaust at the back be sufficient airflow inside the case?

[noble quarry]

airflow

theoretically you can put intake on top but is against of how convection works, better to put a 240/280 aio at the top as exhaust and use 3 front 120s as intake

[shrewd juniper]

You'd wanna use front as intake and back exhaust with optional top exhaust usually

[shrewd juniper]

Not available in the case they sent looks like a p400a

Only fan support on top

[noble quarry]

oh right

then its a 360 aio on front as intake and top and back as exhausts

[shrewd juniper]

Or 280

[noble quarry]

hate to see 2 fans on front... unless 200mm

[shrewd juniper]

It annoys me too unless 240/280 is max it can support yeah

But downside of the p400a

[odd wigeon]

Yea that’s what I was thinking

[odd wigeon]

So the AIO is enough intake?

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah

[odd wigeon]

Good

I might do that then

[odd wigeon]

I already have three fans there anyways, of course. 3x 120 mm
Are there particular recommendations for an AIO for that?

[noble quarry]

yeah, use the ones that come with the aio

[odd wigeon]

Since I already have fans, would it be cheaper not to go with an AIO but some kind of custom loop instead? So that I wouldn’t be paying for the fans twice. Or is that not recommended

[sacred wren]

No, custom looping is never worth it.

A custom loop would require around $1000 minimum

Just for the custom looping parts

[odd wigeon]

i see so that’s solely an enthusiast activity, I suppose

[sacred wren]

The only time a custom loop is worth it is if you have the highest end possible components

"Worth it" being used loosely

[odd wigeon]

Sure, squeezing out the top percent points becomes rather expensive

And for 360 AIOs, any preferable models?

[sacred wren]

Ls720, liquid freezer ii, anything from EK, and lian li galahad

Clc is good if you get it on sale, would recommend new fans for it (could replace with the ones you have)

Fans on the clc are insanely loud, as a clc owner

The difference between when I replaced them and before was night and day

[odd wigeon]

My current stock phanteks case fans maybe aren’t the best either. But I think they’re fine

[sacred wren]

Clc fans are good, just very, very loud

[odd wigeon]

Yeah

That is annoying

[shrewd juniper]

Depends what country you're in

[odd wigeon]

Germany

[shrewd juniper]

Lemme look

This is the best value atm
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/2PFKHx/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00068a

[fluid gate]

ASUS ROG Strix G10CE Gaming Desktop
Computer 11th Gen Intel 8-Core i7-11700 | 32GB DDR4 1TB SSD + 1TB HDD | Geforce RTX
3060 12GB Graphic DisplayPort Aura Sync
Lighting Win11 Gray + HDMI Cable

if you go into amazon this is the pc i have and just want to make sure everything fits inside of a new one and which one to get

[sacred wren]

what

[soft sonnet]

What would be a good cpu can change for stock intel fan for cheap

[sacred wren]

what cpu

[soft sonnet]

i5 12400f

[sacred wren]

214xt will do the job

[soft sonnet]

Link maybe?

[knotty sparrow]

US?

[soft sonnet]

Ye

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb

either of those

[soft sonnet]

Ty

Also another question

Any better case fans for a deep cool matrexx

[knotty sparrow]

Arctic P12

[soft sonnet]

Ok

Are they better performance than the stock?

[shrewd juniper]

If it's the matrexx 40 or something you might just be better with a new case

P12 are great fans

[soft sonnet]

Matrexx 50 4f

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh yeah glass front panel

[soft sonnet]

Ye

[shrewd juniper]

You'll be way better off with a mesh panel front case

[soft sonnet]

Alright

Any suggestions

My pc is prebuilt tho

So the cable problem is a lil bad

[shrewd juniper]

It's using a standard case so it'll take some time to swap but it'll be fine

[knotty sparrow]

If you're comfortable rebuilding and want to spend as little as possible, mx-330g case.
If you're not comfortable rebuilding, remove the front panel.

[shrewd juniper]

I'd probably go with fractal focus 2 for like 75$

[soft sonnet]

I don’t know about rebuilding tbh

Maybe farther along the way, but I don’t want to spend THAT much time on it rn

[shrewd juniper]

Fyi screwing fans is a bit of a arm workout because they're self tapping

Also yeah I'd recommend taking off the glass front then

[soft sonnet]

Ok

I’m guessing that there probably is a video somewhere to how to do that

Do I just leave it off or replace or something

[shrewd juniper]

Nah just leave it off

Probably a vid ye

[soft sonnet]

Ok

I found one I think

https://youtu.be/cop2dmtrFTs

Do I just do that but not put it back on

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah you'll need to do that to replace the fans anyway probably

[soft sonnet]

Ok

Thanks

Tysm for the help

[shrewd juniper]

Np

[soft sonnet]

Are there any rgb options for the case fans tho

Cuz rgb>

[shrewd juniper]

Deepcool fc120, arctic p12 argb

[soft sonnet]

Ok

Ty

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Y8N5J89

[rose parcel]

building my first pc, and i got like a $48 cooler for an i7 12700 but i saw bacca recc the thermalright to someone with a i5 12400 which costs significantly less
would the thermalright be enough for my cpu as well?

[sacred wren]

not that $20 one

[rose parcel]

i have the be quiet pure rock 2 black, would that be fine then?

sorry i dont really have a point of reference lol, not sure what fans are enough to cool cpus

[sacred wren]

wouldn't really recommend it

this is miles better for an extra $4 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MkFbt6/deepcool-ag620-bk-argb-6788-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ag620-bkanmn-g-2

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cqCD4D/arctic-freezer-34-esports-cpu-cooler-acfre00057a or this for a bit less

[rose parcel]

thank you for the help

[quartz gale]

What is the difference between the ls720 and lt720 aio other than aesthetics?

[sweet lodge]

the s and the t

[proper cradle]

LT is better

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-lt720-aio-cooler

[strange flume]

Same pump just aesthetics

[twin ivy]

w pump

[strange flume]

Depends on the market

It costs more here

[quartz gale]

So basically both the ls and lt should perform about the same and it is just an aesthetic difference.

[shrewd juniper]

Ye

[strange flume]

Ye

[shrewd juniper]

Ey

[strange flume]

OI OI OI

https://youtu.be/Ij4iWh0VpmU

THEY PUT RGB ON T30'S

AND A LOT OF IT

New recommendation incoming

[knotty sparrow]

Those were the 30mm thick ones right? Those are nice

[marsh badge]

thicc fans

[hasty peak]

Does thermal paste affect the temperature of the liquid in my water cooler

[shrewd juniper]

to an extent yes technically

[odd wigeon]

Is it preferable to have an AIO configured to be intake or exhaust?

[sacred wren]

depends on where its mounted

[twin ivy]

i prefer intake on the front for cooler cpu temps

but than it brings warmer air into the case but tbh its not a big difference

[odd wigeon]

so the mounting position should dictate the fan configuration and not the other way around?

[sacred wren]

YES

caps lock

if front mounted, intake

if top mounted, outtake

[odd wigeon]

of course, of course

okay thank you

[shrewd juniper]

Cursed call it exhaust ree

[strange flume]

Guys ek basic is EOL

EK nucleus basic when???

Fascinating
https://www.igorslab.de/en/ek-nucleus-cr360-lux-im-test-2/3/

New EK aio slaps just a little harder

[knotty sparrow]

Rad is also longer looking so might hurt compatibility

[strange flume]

Probably

That result is very promising though

[shrewd juniper]

RIP ITX BUILDERS

Woops caps

[strange flume]

Damn I've never heard you so emotional smh

[supple harbor]

v tragic, it was the go to

[sweet lodge]

be brutus and fit a whole cpu and gpu loop in a tiny case

(his a die is dying of heat)

[shrewd juniper]

@strange flume more stonks

[snow wyvern]

Just ordered an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240mm for $95, was it a good price and purchase for a 13600k?

Everything I’ve looked at seems to be around $100 right now in terms of a 240mm AIO

[strange flume]

I love that they're milking it tbh, but also EK Lux looks great too

They've got some new competition

AIO's industry finally getting heated up

Die asetek die

[shrewd juniper]

Honestly no, for 35$ (deepcool ls720) more you can get a good 360mm with rgb, for like 55$ (deepcool ak620/ag620) you can get a great tower cooler which will be close in performance
And you can get this for like 5$ less, the pump isn't as good but it's a lot more surface area if your case fits a 280mm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WPTzK8/deepcool-castle-280ex-9703-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-dp-gs-h14ar-csl280ex

[shrewd juniper]

Indeed

[shrewd juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[snow wyvern]

I want to front mount in the 4000D airflow and already decided to go the AIO route, so I think the biggest I’d want to go is 280mm

Does the Deepcool LS series have a better pump than the castle?

I’m looking at the LS520 and it’s $110 for the RGB version which would definitely look nicer than the Arctic Freezer

[sacred wren]

I'd just get ag620/ak620