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#cases-psu-and-cooling
elfin trout
chrome iris
Lol
willow hollow
o wait shipping lol
flat eagle
what are you trying to figure out exactly.
chrome iris
wdym
flat eagle
don't make it anymore confusing.. rofl
Do you know how many watts it's got on the 12V rail?
@chrome iris
chrome iris
Oh...
chrome iris
I'm asking how many watts it can provide on the 12v rail
flat eagle
but.. that's not ...
chrome iris
I've used 450 BR in an APU system
flat eagle
you can't find total wattage on a 12v rail
flat eagle
is what Im trying to say
lol
@lofty pewter might can bust out the nittygritty on it.
chrome iris
?
flat eagle
he is very PSU savvy
chrome iris
uh oh
flat eagle
I looked up your question and came up with this
Watts ÷ 12 = Amps
If you don't know the watts, you can not figure out the amps.
You can not add the amps of 2 (or 3 or 4) 12v+ rails to get the total amps. The example above showed that. You must know the total watts of the entire 12v to find the total amps
If you added them, you would get 33 amps (17 on 1, 16 on the other), but is actually has 32 amps available on the 12v. It does not matter if it is a high quality or low quality, you just can't add the amps together to get the amount.
see? 😛
flat eagle
haha 😛
chrome iris
Okay, okay... Don't yell at me... Is the corsair VS series good enough?
flat eagle
but just saying hei knows psu's inside and out to a microscopic level
chrome iris
I should probably look on the teir list before asking
chrome iris
I strive to be like Hei
flat eagle
just trying to figure it out lol
lofty pewter
If it's low powered-ish or old hardware (like 280 I think, might have to be older idk) then group regulated PSUs would most likely work. Which are in the lower tier list. Can't recall any off top of my head tho that aren't also sketchy too.
lofty pewter
What did you more want to spend at first? $45 or so was it? Or was original budget $60?
chrome iris
I'd really like to spend less than $60, but this is going in a PC flip so I don't wanna burn down someone's house
lofty pewter
I'll have to look into it when I'm not lazy in bed like rn, hopefully better answer within the hour. But there is CX450.
Tho, I'd also trust JonnyGuru's answers as while he knows about how a PSU performs like I do he also knows the effects and tolerances a PC will actually have to a poor or meh PSU which I don't.
chrome iris
Alright. I'll check back in an hour or so... I'm not about making hasty decisions
lofty pewter
I guess the other issue is finding info for things. Cant see much for Antec VP500P. Few older models with similair names which makes it annoying. Evga BR for $50 might be best you could do. Sadly also no info other then on paper specs which is better then VP500P
Other PSUs just seem to be too pricy to be worth it. Literally cheapest 450w+ is $50, and like four PSUs total in the $50 - $60 mark
chrome iris
And the EVGA 450 BR would work for an RX 470 + i7-930 (130w tdp) right?
willow hollow
yeah fs
lofty pewter
Yeah should work. Tho cant OC much
chrome iris
Won’t be overclocking
lyric glade
@lofty pewter is this any good https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-focus-plus-650-gold-ssr-650fx-650w/p/N82E16817151186?&quicklink=true
chrome iris
SeaSonic
lofty pewter
@lyric glade It's.. eh. The FX series has issues with high powered GPUs. So even tho that is more then enough wattage for an OCed 3950x+2080Ti it'll still have trouble running it. Right now RM750 is close to same price but wont have those issues (also higher wattage too I guess, but 750w kinda useless for most so eh)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Y66Mp/corsair-rm-2019-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020195-na
slow leaf
Does anyone know where I can find some purple sleeved psu cables?
eager monolith
Cablemod
elfin trout
would advise against it
can't find much on it
looks like only 80+ white too(?)
nvm just 80+
not even white
golden kestrel
yikes
chrome iris
What I thought
You guys were saying the Corsair CV was semi-decent right?
Found a CV450 on PCPP for $53 ish. Might have to get it
chrome iris
Or what about EVGA 500w W1?
Just read a Jonnyguru review on it and it scores an 8!
At the price it's at...
And there's a bunch of good PCPP, Newegg, and Amazon reviews...
elfin trout
I dunno
chrome iris
I looked at that too
But it has countless 5 star reviews
and that Jonnyguru score is amazing
I just messaged Jonnyguru to ask him about it on a defferent site... waiting for a response
elfin trout
Well
chrome iris
Yep read that
elfin trout
chrome iris
Read that too
elfin trout
I wonder, he never mentioned protections
maybe its missing protections
no BOP but isn't too big of a problem
chrome iris
wdym bop
elfin trout
brown out protection
chrome iris
Bop like as in a really good song?
oh
Where I am I've never experienced a Brown Out
elfin trout
idk I guess that heatsink screw is what made it tier D
if it ever gets loose that's gonna short
chrome iris
Yeah... "potentially dangerous"
neat wasp
good cheap 500w psu?
im having trouble finding one because of the crazy markups due to human malware
half meadow
@elfin trout you think my lists good?
crimson axle
Does anyone know of a semi modular 500-600W PSU? I can’t seem to find one in my psu budget which is $50-$100.
chrome egret
@burnt cave Check to make sure the cables are seated in the Hard drives and also the sata cable is seated in the motherboard are they missing from the bios as well?
burnt cave
I didint check on the bios for mother board
chrome egret
Bioes should list hard drives
burnt cave
Yeah on the right where it says boot right
chrome egret
usually power up and typically theres a mssage tht sys settings orcmos or bios press F2 or Delete what key its assigned too
chrome egret
did you do anything before this happened like replace a motherboard ?
burnt cave
Nope just replaced the power supply
chrome egret
does it have a voltage selector switch and if so is it on the correct voltage
burnt cave
Nah no voltage switch
chrome egret
Your positive your plugged into Sata0 or sata 1 on the motherboard and not 3 or more Sata 0 or 1 are fully functional there others are not
sterile pasture
looking for a good dual systeam case any good suggestions?
has to have good water cooling support as well
lyric glade
if it posts then its probably fine
golden kestrel
I can't even tell what that light is coming from
tame fulcrum
Ordered almost everything. I have about 8 power supplies on "Auto Notify". Persistently watching to see if one becomes available. 😰
If anyone from Newegg monitors these rooms - I had an issue with a gift card notification, and Lucia was veryh helpful in getting it solved. 🙂
placid steeple
hyperx website broke 😔
golden kestrel
Why did you break it
burnt cave
So I was able to install my new power supply which is 750w
And I have a gtx 1060 3gb and when I play heavy games
The graphic card is loud as hell
Is it cuz it’s too strong?
I’m upgrading this Sunday tho
placid steeple
i’m trying to buy the hyperx ducky one 2 mini but the website is broken
chrome iris
@burnt cave Replace it's thermal paste
That should do the trick
The fans are probably on full blast cause the paste is dried up
burnt cave
Thermal paste is only for the cpu right? @chrome iris
Or u can put them on graphics cards aswell
chrome iris
Nope it's on GPUs as well
minor portalBOT
Dancemonkey#2222 has been warned
burnt cave
Oh damn
vocal tree
thermal paste is for thermal applications
burnt cave
I can’t even open my gpu
Screws were cemented
Ima just not use my pc till I upgrade
Cuz it sounds like it’s gonna explode
dreamy wolf
Any elites on here that can identify the case or can confirm its manufacturer
surreal magnet
iirc, cyberpower makes their own cases, or has another company build cases for them
but you most likely cant buy that off a shelf somewhere
vocal talon
yeah i'd assume its an oem part, dont think you can buy them (probably can on the used market)
vague hatch
Probably only available from a prebuilt
...oh wait I'm too late. Someone already said that
chrome iris
Hey everyone I am looking for the smallest possible case that can fit a mini ITX mobo and a low-profile GPU
If it comes with a power supply I want it to be decent and at least 300w
dreamy wolf
inwin a1 plus
thats the only one i can think of that comes with a decent psu
you could also go velkase but you need a tfx psu or smth
chrome iris
dang that's expensive!
dreamy wolf
if you want you could go sg13
lofty pewter
That's why you dont go for included PSU
If you want some of the smallest ITX cases with dGPU support
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GsZ2FT/fractal-design-case-fdcanode202bk
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V7wqqs/thermaltake-core-g3-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-1g6-00t1wn-00
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RgVBD3/silverstone-rvz03b-mini-itx-desktop-case-rvz03b
tacit wren
$25 1620w platinum 😆
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERMICRO-PWS-1K62P-1R-1620W-80-PLUS-PLATINUM-POWER-SUPPLY/313075245431
surreal magnet
i used to have some 2400W platnum psus like that
sharp fox
server psus are lit
golden kestrel
2400w is scarwy
golden kestrel
The MB311L is finally back for sale again
if your looking for a good matx budget case, that's the one
low tree
Curious if I should keep my HAF 932 adanced full tower for a new build, or just get another case? I want to use a 240 AIO in the new build since it will be probably an i7 9700k...
vocal talon
@chrome iris velka 3 (needs a flex psu, can get 600w good psu's), skyreach 4 mini (use a hdplex psu, HDPLEX 400W HiFi DC-ATX is good), velka 5, Sentry (sfx psu), dan a4 sfx, ghost s1
chrome iris
Awesome. I’ll check those out
livid blade
can you get one of them server psus and put it in a normal pc
bc their super high efficiency right?
past hollow
What is the best 600w or 650w 80 plus gold or higher
Psu
sharp fox
you can't directly at least put a server psu in a normal pc
elfin trout
@past hollow just use this and go down the list
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
thick vale
Is there a reasonably priced ( in stock) PSU anywhere?
flat eagle
Still looking eh
thick vale
Yes. I'm not even gonna wait on Cobratype anymore
thick vale
Eff.
Yea, sucks. :/
Still will probably beat them here though lol
May just say screw it and just get a different prebuilt.
flat eagle
jesus even the actual evga site
slam emptied
from 600 to 850
everything is gone
how about a 1,300 watt
289
lol
that's in stock
this is insane 😦
elfin trout
so sad
golden kestrel
eager monolith
There's a very good PSU (s-tier 1200 watt) on eBay (open box) for $109 without cables. If you buy a used cablemod kit or something, you'd get a open box $400 PSU for like $150
lofty pewter
I mean tier-s 1200w+ is only $400+ cuz Human Malware. Before that it'd be $230 or so for a 1300w Antec HCP
real wagon
can anyone help me through some tech support
thick vale
Question
elfin trout
go ahead
thick vale
What are the odds of me getting this replaced psu and it also blowing up?
thick vale
So I just got really unlucky with one that did blow up?
thick vale
Its not related to the games I was putting it through or anything? Like I didn't overload it?
elfin trout
If you got a good model, it should be able to handle anything that is within it's limits
thick vale
How difficult is it to upgrade a GPU? What all things have to be changed hardware wise? Just the graphics card itself?
livid blade
since my 650w thermaltake power supply apparently can't run my 2600 and 5700 xt, what's a good psu that won't break the bank?
the inter webs say 30a on the 12v rail is enough and mine has 48a
i don't understand how it isn't enough at all
elfin trout
@thick vale assuming a normal PC, all you need to do is : Take the side panel off, unscrew the GPU, open the tab on the mobo, pull.
thats it
thick vale
Hell yea and then I just update drivers?
elfin trout
basically yea
tame fulcrum
I have 10 PSUs (5 different brands) I'm checking availability of 3-4 times daily.
Would there be better odds of getting one on "Auto Notify", or one on "Back Order"?
elfin trout
Back ordered means they got more coming in afaik
auto notify will just tell you when they get it
eager monolith
Could try honey for its drop list feature for Amazon & watch searches on eBay @tame fulcrum
tame fulcrum
honey is legit? Not just some shopping list scam app thing?
I have been checking multiple vendors.
eager monolith
Honestly, coupons rarely work, but it's legit
That's just the nature of trying random coupons
Like honey has 20 codes for corsair, but I spent $1000 with them and haven't saved a cent b/c the codes are for certain items
tame fulcrum
Well, apparently I can't add items to honey droplist from Newegg. I searched 20 codes, but determined I already had the best price. But no ability to "watch" for the items other than Newegg's Auto Notify and manually checking.
Amazon results are showing terrible info. Search for a Corsair RM750, and all sorts of crap shows up, including 850's with 750 info or pictures, in other languages.
Not something you have to fix, @eager monolith - just giving some feedback.
knotty quail
fsp hydro ge 650w vs corsair rm650, which one is better?
vague tree
elfin trout
Lemme check tier list 
tame fulcrum
both rated 'A'
lofty pewter
RM just in general performs better, even with the limited testing done on GE
Also no, GE is 'B'
lofty pewter
tame fulcrum
aye, my bad - didn't see the 'ge' included.
eager monolith
@tame fulcrum
Idk if that droplist works on Newegg. I generally just use eBay and Amazon... Newegg often sells items on eBay too. I was referring to eBay's watch searches feature
lofty pewter
Meh voltage ripple/regulation and caps is what I found
Might also have some other issue which wasn't stated within the two source links that I seen. Or something to do with the PSU that I can't determine (internal shots where there, but idk much in seeing if it looks good or not)
spare leaf
Is the Toughpower Grand RGB Gold 750W a good psu?
spare leaf
Thanks! Nice info here
golden kestrel
Hey @elfin trout :P
elfin trout
:DDD
golden kestrel
I have a plan lol
golden kestrel
Sure thing
I was gonna buy a cheap case to make a pc resell but I decided to just build it in my current td500 non mesh and buy me a new one lol
chrome iris
Don’t yell at me
Good deal or nah?
It says it’s “almost new” condition
Refurbished
tender root
@chrome iris ask yourself this: a "almost new" heart for a body that you are going to be using. Is that enough?
chrome iris
I mean
When someone gets a new heart they usually take one from someone who used it previously
alpine fox
I was a bout to say that was kind of a bad analogy
chrome iris
I’m just asking if it’s good enough to buy as “slightly used”
I wouldn’t be using the entire 750w... maybe 600 at the most
tender root
the psu is what supplies everything else
IF you are okay with a "slightly used" one for that
that is entirely your choice
elfin trout
It is your risk to take
chrome iris
Is the model (TP-750) a decent model
elfin trout
not on tier list
chrome iris
teal walrus
any know of a good case that can fin an mini itx mobo $80 or less?
golden kestrel
I say mb311L @teal walrus
teal walrus
I like that one. The thing I don't like is my friend has the same one xD
golden kestrel
Oh well thats about as good of a matx case you can get for the budget rn lol
teal walrus
true
golden kestrel
Just makes yours better than your friends
chrome iris
Darkflash DLM21 mesh is a good one
golden kestrel
chrome iris
You have to get fans for it tho
golden kestrel
Its ok, poor front airflow and no included fans
alpine fox
There's all sorts of things you can do to make your system look different. I'm kind of looking at getting some power supply extensions in a color I like.
golden kestrel
Oh wait you said mesh my bad
chrome iris
Yep mesh
I wish the mesh version was out when i built my PC
Might splurge and get the mesh version
It'll bring out my front RGB fans
golden kestrel
Yur
golden kestrel
And argb 😉
chrome iris
I know I'm bad at making jokes 😅
pulsar juniper
Anyone have any opinions on the Darkflash DLM22?
marsh fable
Montech Air 900 ARGB is a better case I believe for the same price on newegg. Just because it is micoATX to ATX and Darkflash DLM22 is only mico so limiting your self to the mico form can hinder paformice upgradablitiy.
pulsar juniper
I already have a system lol. I am wanting to move from a full ATX to a Micro ATX because that is what my motherboard is.
I have already checked the upgrades I want to do lol. I don't need a bigger computer for the upgrades I want
@marsh fable
marsh fable
Well another thing is looking at the dymetions and making sure the upgrades will still fit in the case because of the tight form I just personally try to stay away from the mico form
pulsar juniper
I have lol
I made very sure about the upgrades. I just want opinions on the case haha
chrome iris
@pulsar juniper this may be kinda late. If you have a micro ATX motherboard, the DLM21 has a mesh version which I am a big fan of
drowsy mica
is COVID affecting PSU sales? most 650W PSUs seem to be backordered. How long do these backorders take (ordered one a few days ago)
chrome iris
omg the virus is hitting the fattest nae nae on computer parts
Everything is overpriced or sold out
I have no idea how long the back orders take
drowsy mica
@chrome iris lol
valid elk
COVID is affecting everything about PC hardware tbh
I've seen unscrupulous marketplace sellers try to hawk a 2080S for $3k
But overall everything is at least $50-100 more expensive
tender root
@drowsy mica basically, patience is the order of the month
valid elk
I'm glad I was able to replace my PSU and GPU before the poop hit the blades, so to speak
because the 2060S I ordered has been out of stock on the Egg for weeks now
chrome iris
the egg
valid elk
yes, the egg
edgy holly
is the nzxt 510 elite a nice case to build ?
graceful wren
Most PSU have their final assembly in China, even the ones with parts from Japan, USA, Germany etc. The COVID shutdown there has affected production with PSUs as with many things. The trade war that our president has started and continued with China is another problem. Somebody has to cover the cost of all those tariffs, Who ends up paying that? The consumer (you and me). And the way the president is raising his rhetoric against China and insulting them, do you think they are going to be in any rush to cooperate with us and our needs?
young zodiac
What should I put on to cover up some very minor scratches on a fractal design mesify C black
visual fjord
stickers
wintry mortar
Anyone here have a Corsair 220t? I've been thinking about getting one (when they're in stock) but I keep hearing people recommend other cases, I just can't find one that looks equally as good
golden kestrel
Well I would say td500 mesh for another option, but quick question. Are you us based? Because bestbuy as it in stock rn
light wyvern
@wintry mortar i have one
wintry mortar
@golden kestrel thanks for the recommendation, that looks like a good case as well- I also noticed the 220t was on bestbuy but was looking for the white variation, though it's all sold out anyways
@light wyvern would you recommend it? I've read a lot of people's responses to it but can't really find a clear answer
light wyvern
Yeah i have the white here’s a pic
The thing to it is it’s a great case and has good airflow at least for me and the cable management is kinda hard to do with the case but if you put enough time it’ll pay off
@wintry mortar
I really like it but I might buy a lian li case because I like to show off rgb
wintry mortar
Oh yeah that's one of the complaints I heard (cable management)
tame fulcrum
It's looking like almost every case out now has cable mgmt ports built in. We didn't have that luxury 20 years ago. I expect it to be very easy now.
Here's the first Beige Beast (case) I built with: https://evertek.com/Product/BEI-V500
light wyvern
Dang
tropic dune
i have the LianLi o11 Dynamic in white, i like the way the RGBs look inside, even ordered 3 more fans for it lol
low tree
Anyone use a HAF 932 advanced with an AIO 240 sized liquid cooling? I have the case being used, but thinking of upgrading components. Only thing it missing is the removable filters. Just curious if to buy new case or just use old?
low tree
anyone know what case this is?
willow hollow
it looks like one that can hold 2 computers i think?
tame fulcrum
@low tree Hard to tell, especially the way the tempered glass side panel appears to be offset / stick out on the left side. Where did the picture come from, or what are you looking to find out?
tame fulcrum
@low tree Confirmed: Sahara P75 full tower case in black.
https://play3r.net/reviews/cases/sahara-p75-white-gaming-case-review/
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/sahara-p75-full-tower-gaming-case-tempered-glass-6-pirate-turbo-rgb-120mm-quiet-fans-plus-controller
low tree
@tame fulcrum @willow hollow thank you both for responding 😄
seems that case not sold in the US from fast searches... booo
low tree
oooh @flat eagle wow Thank you! Think it is similar products, just renamed in different regions.... going to go look more into it...
low tree
is the tempered glass that easy to break? I have a HAF 932 advanced, has half window, and side fan... feel like it wouldn't break as much.. but full tempered glass... the double exhaust is what caught my eyes too
low tree
then probably best not to get it.. just in case... also been eyeballing the cougar cases... https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553024
or https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147053?&quicklink=true (last link)
glacial needle
i mean i like the look of that case, but its a tad expensive for me 😛
the couger panzer max
low tree
I wanted to try to keep it under 200.... still on fence if I should just keep the HAF 932 advanced full tower... or get new...
glacial needle
if you can i would wait til the pandemic is over or closer to over at least. I got my rosewill case for 60 bucks https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077232WC2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
you can find a lot of nice pc cases for a good deal (100 or lower) but prices are high right now cause pc parts are in high demand
low tree
oh, I am doing research, pricing.. and will wait till summertime I think to order the components...
glacial needle
if you're determined to upgrade now you could get the main parts and build it inside of your current case and buy other parts like the case later
low tree
ok, another case I will be looking into LOL.... I prefer full towers, just easier for me to install components... and I like AIO's with some good air flow...
I may do that, but still seeing prices a bit higher than normal... even the 9700k is cheaper on ebay but sold by newegg.. which is odd to me...
glacial needle
i used to only get micro atx cases and that case i shared is my first full atx lol. so much easier.
do you need the 9700k? amd has great performance for a lot less cost
low tree
I also prefer front facing USB.. the ones with on top.. just ehhh to me.... dust collects a bit if sitting on top...
I have a 2600k atm.... lots tell me AMD AMD AMD... but i've been intel for a while now... still have an antec 900 case with a core duo sitting there with gtx 550ti
glacial needle
i mean i won't tell you not to go intel if you really want intel. Amd is just the cheaper option while still having amazing performance this generation.
lime fog
3300x gang
low tree
oh yeah.. I haven't been keeping up too much with AMD.. but friends have went that route for a bit cheaper option...
I like to get decent to very good components that will last.. like the 2600k.. it's still running well.. just no room to upgrade on MB.... or RAM...
glacial needle
Amd used to be cheaper but weaker, now amd is cheaper and can rival if not outpace intel. I wouldn't be surprised if that changes again in the future but right now amd is the better option at low end. If you're buying the top end cpus, i believe it doesnt actually make a difference between intel and amd.
@lime fog this conversation was mainly about the case. this is just a little bit of a derailment in that convo
lime fog
okay dude
low tree
also the PS's seem to have gone up in price, and a lot out of stock.... price gouging a lil bit
chrome iris
Power Supplies have been brutally murdered by the coronavirus
Inflated prices
Out of stock
It's bad
low tree
i still have an OCz 700 watt PSU for this computer I am using now... don't see that company much anymore
chrome iris
yeah
low tree
it is time for upgrade in a few months... Thanks for all info/links/tidbits
glacial needle
yeah thats what i meant, pc part costs are at a high right now
low tree
it sure is... been pricing all components.. re-doing them a few days later...
alpine fox
I did buy my case this month. But that was because a really good deal popped up.
low tree
which one??
glacial needle
i mean i finally bought an nvme for that same reason 😛
lime fog
low tree
that is something i've been researching too NVMe 😄
lime fog
for sub 100
glacial needle
actually i usually hate that style of case, but i love that one. its purdy
low tree
that one looks like luxery 😄
I do like cooler master stuff....
that cosmo's one is sweet looking but a bit too much I wanted to spend on a case
do you prefer full modular PSU's?
drowsy mica
Ordered a back-ordered PSU a few days ago. Supposed to ship "normally" 2-3 weeks. Tried contacting customer support to see if they had any information on if this is delayed further due to COVID. You know poops hitting the fan when the first chat you get a person that says "I am happy to look into this. Please give me some time." then about 10 minutes later the chat ends (automatically or on their end?); then second time you cant even get a rep to pick up. RIP getting a PSU from anywhere right now cause they're all out of stock.
drowsy mica
Ya im working on a build and its gonna be the last part to come in (im only waiting on that and my motherboard which is supposed to come on the 26th)
low tree
ahhhh waiting for last part is the worst... I try to order it all at once....
drowsy mica
Ya I got all the other parts off amazon but everywhere is out of PSUs
low tree
yep PSU's seem to be low amounts available.... I'll probably order most off newegg.. did it with this PC...
wraith mountain
How much should I spend on a 750w gold rated sfx psu?
vocal talon
750w is pretty much overkill for sfx, you would need hedt and/or sli + overclocking to reach that high, i'd try to find a 650/550w psu for 80-110
wraith mountain
Im going i7 9700k and 2080 super, 650 is enough for that?
Thanks for the quick response btw
vocal talon
yeah 650w is fine
vocal talon
if you can wait for restock i'd try to grab one of these https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-SST-SX650-G-Improved-Capacitors/dp/B075M5T9Q8
wraith mountain
I can't really wait, I'm trying to finish the build by tomorrow
I found a few that could work
vocal talon
i cant find any 650w that are in stock rn, but you could run the 9700k with a decent oc around 4.5ghz and undervolt the gpu and easily run on a 550w like this https://www.newegg.com/silverstone-sfx-series-sst-sx550-500w/p/N82E16817256164?
vocal talon
yeah ebay or r/hardwareswap would be good places to start for that
uneven haven
elfin trout
@uneven haven first, whatever looks good to you, second, airflow, Gamers Nexus does good case reviews on airflow and stuff.
golden kestrel
But the td500mesh is always a good option :P
tame fulcrum
Taking a lot of patience, waiting on products to arrive from Back Order. All other components have arrived, but need the PSU for the build. crossing fingers and continuing to check updates
It's a blessing in disguise, since the previous PSU I was shopping for wasn't rated on the LTT PSU Tier List, which I didn't know about until I joined this forum. Better to wait than hear that infamous "POP" sound in 6-12 months.
misty light
leaden anvil
Can anyone recommend a decent PSU for this build? Something quiet preferably.
eager monolith
@leaden anvil What wattage was pcpp spitting out?
eager monolith
@misty light
Take a look at reviews. The one corsair case I've worked in was super cramped, but if you do some digging, you can easily find out thinks like that from reviews
leaden anvil
Pcpp says about 270
eager monolith
So yeah, 450 would be good for that
leaden anvil
Cool thanks. I'll see if I can find anything in stock.
eager monolith
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
Look for B class and up
vocal talon
yeah i'd say a cx450, but nearly all the decently priced good psu's are sold out rn
elfin trout
I look for CX and up, which is B+ tier and above.
leaden anvil
Everything is sold out lmao
This is pricey but I will not find any rest until I finish this darn build, do you guys think that's worth it?
The damn thing was $40 a couple months ago, now selling for $70 smh
golden kestrel
Cx650 is in stock rn for 80 something. Not the best budget pick anymore but everythjng is oos so its decent.
elfin trout
yea
leaden anvil
The CX550M was actually cheaper than the CX450M, I went with that.
golden kestrel
Depending on the model cxm is either rly old and at the end of its lifespan, or has coil whine
eager monolith
How does one stress test a PSU?
elfin trout
You can't easily do it without specialized tools
otherwise just running normal CPU stress tests and GPU stress tests at the same time could work
eager monolith
Okie, well I'll try that 🙂 I'm pulling like 200 watts on idle from my 1200 watt psu
I realize that it was overkill now
vocal talon
yuh 1200w overkill for 99.999% of people
the highest ive seen drawn was 1000w, dude had a 9900k at 5.2ghz 0avx
and 2 2080ti's flashed with 380w bios's
eager monolith
Was a cheap S tier tho. $109 for an ax1200i is a killer deal
Also leaves a great amount of headroom for future upgrades. Can put dual OC'd 3080 ti in here with no issues I'm sure
vocal talon
o 109 is hella good even for a 750w rn lol
eager monolith
Well, no cables... but I already had a cable kit from my last PSU
And I found a $30 cablemod kit so I can still use that old one
Plus like $17 for the corsair link cable is still a great deal
tame fulcrum
I talked about 'blessing in disguise '... My Asus G74SX laptop power supply overheated today. It was already a replacement for the original that blew about a year ago.
Hoping it will recharge this afternoon, otherwise I'll be out a PC until another shipped replacement (assuming battery is ok, too).
"When it rains, it pours..." Ugh.
scenic lance
Having extra power is not as absurd as some may make it out to be. PSUs lose peak over time, the same as say, car batteries. The more reserve you start with, the longer (barring sudden failures) that it should last, and the better it will be able to handle sudden power demands.
vocal talon
true but any decent psu should be able to last with little power loss for at least a dozen years, and losing 10w won't kill a system unless its being pushed over its wattage 24/7
scenic lance
Also true. Decent PSU in and of itself is the real deciding factor there.
I've gotten too used to trying to explain things to corporate clients that want everything for less than as little as possible, and then want it to run in a case with no cooling, stuffed someplace it'll just become a small fireball.
lofty pewter
@leaden anvil and CXM has coil whine issues which CX doesnt. Thus making CXM a bad option
@eager monolith So for stress testing a PSU on a PC with no hardware, that'd be interesting. You wont be able to see any numerical values, can only check to see if the values dont get bad enough to shut down the PC. The things you want to test is voltage ripple/regulation, transient response, and protections mainly. Last one is hard. Second last one is maybe hard-ish. First two are "eh".
eager monolith
It's already hooked up to my PC and is an AXI series, so I can monitor powerdraw from iCue if that helps
tiny blaze
hey everyone, quick question. I recently bought a prebuilt PC from iBuyPower because it was a great deal but the power supply is a 650 Watt "HIGH POWER" 80 PLUS Gold, Does anyone know if High Power is a reliable brand or should I switch out the psu?
scenic lance
Lemme do some research, sounds familiar though.
Well ... if it were me personally. I'd look at getting a better PSU. Everything I am finding puts them mediocre at best.
Their big claim seems to be the fact that they have a 100% green build process. While that's all fine and dandy for the environment, it hasn't seemed to do them any good in actual power production. Like a 700w PSU only actually being able to max 550 on a single rail.
Also depends on the level of the rest of the components though.
The company I had in mind when they sounded familiar was Hiper, which is a whole different level.
wraith mountain
Anyone know when psus and mobos, and gpus and back in stock?
golden kestrel
Theres no way to know
Just keep your eyes peeled for the specific things you want
eternal kestrel
Soo is there a difference between mid-tower and other towers?
tender python
eternal kestrel
Okay so I was thinking about getting a mid tower for lots of fans to cool down the inside and idk if that’s a good idea
celest dragon
Hey guys I've got a lan cool case 2 w/argb, ML360R argb + MF120R ARGB 3IN1+ 3 case fans. Only 1 argb on the MB, What is best way to hook up to asus tuf x570 MB..thx :-)
wraith mountain
use a argh splitter, like coolermasters 5-1, that's what I'm using
flint charm
Hello! I have an HP Obelisk Omen PC. It has a 500W PSU and I want to upgrade to support a new graphics card. Would the CORSAIR RMx Series RM750x CP-9020179-NA 750W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply be compatible with my machine?
candid moth
What graphics card?@flint charm
flint charm
I got the GeForce RTX 2070 Super. It only needs 650W but while I am upgrading I might as well go higher I figure to support any future upgrades
chrome iris
You'd have to DM it to me as you have to be lvl 3 to post links
flint charm
Ahh ok
chrome iris
His psu might not have the needed connectors or required specs
candid moth
Idk what computer he has so cant tell
elfin trout
OEM PSUs are trash
just go with RM750x
RM650x is at a horrible price when I last checked it
drowsy mica
all PSUs are horrible prices rn @elfin trout
elfin trout
some are decent
RM750x was 135 when I checked it last
around the price where it was pre corona
Back ordered, but 10-12 days isn't too bad
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm750x-cp-9020179-na-750w/p/N82E16817139233
eternal kestrel
Yea they are
drowsy mica
everythings either way overpriced or backordered 2 to 3 weeks (but who knows if thatll hold up)
flint charm
Thank you all!
elfin trout
You're welcome!
- on the behalf of the people that helped ya
flint charm
I am grateful for the advice. I am a newbie
lofty pewter
@elfin trout Eh, some OEM aren't trash. Best to research it before replacing tbh, esp now with dumb pricing on everything
late bobcat
Is the icue 220t a good case?
elfin trout
@lofty pewter I'd say its fair to assume the PSU is trash in a prebuilt with 500w PSU...
wintry mortar
@late bobcat I've been looking at the 220t as well, I don't have one personally (as most are out of stock) however I've heard it's a pretty good case, the only downside is that it's a little hard to work in size-wise
scenic lance
I'm cramming an Aorus Xtreme into the non Airflow version
vapid hollow
ne1 here? 🙂
elfin trout
Simple answer: check this
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
wintry mortar
Oh yeah don't know why I didn't just check that, thanks
elfin trout
:)
vapid hollow
Hiyaz 🙂 Do any of you think I should add a fan or two to a "Fractal Design Define 7". It has x3 120/140mm standard. I often don't run AC during summer.
But I should replace case and that's a good time to add new fans.
I broke the panel with reset/power, etc. so now it's not a good idea to leave it unfixed. It's an old Antec 900. I like the one I'm thinking of buying, the Define 7.
timid moss
the LTT list of psu is pretty much all sold out right now, if you can it would be much easier (and probably cheaper) to wait a little bit while corona settles down and most of the companies can get back to making their components
elfin trout
@timid moss the question was about if a PSU was good, and most PSUs are going out of stock, not just ones listed on the list
Of course higher end PSUs sell well and better than crappy ones
But some are still around
RMx 750w was 135$ on Newegg and only backordered by about a week and a half
Not too bad
timid moss
yeah its just tough to find a good deal on one right now, the RMx 750W 80+gold was around $10 a couple of weeks ago
$10 cheaper i mean
elfin trout
Eh, it was always around the 125 mark, so it's not a bit increase
timid moss
its mainly just the mid range stuff that has a shortage, pretty sure there was a sale for a 450W for less than $60
tame fulcrum
@elfin trout I've had an RM850 on order for a week, awaiting the backorder fulfillment. We'll see when they come.
(650 and 750 same situation)
elfin trout
Yea
tame fulcrum
All other parts for new build gave arrived.
half meadow
Heyy my rmx 850 has its fan hitting something and is making alot of noise anyway to fix?
Besides rma? Or voiding warrenty
faint hound
would a https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79tQzy/corsair-rmx-2018-750w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020179-na fit inside of my Corsair Carbide 400-r case?
this is what I purchased, I plan on getting either a 2060s, a 2070s, or a Radeon 5700x
tropic dune
@faint hound yes that PSU will fit in the case
faint hound
should be able to handle it fine? the gpu and all of that?
Thank you/
should i go with a 650 to save money or a 750 to be safe?
i'm thinking the latter, the PSU is basically the heart ❤️
Currently I have a 500 PSU from 8 years ago in my tower. Time to get a new, better one
median grove
I think it's always better to go safer
vocal talon
i'd go with the rmx750 cause the market for 650w is kinda messed up rn, and its a solid psu
unless you can wait a bit for good 650w psus to be back in stock at normal prices
faint hound
yeah i think i'm gonna get a 500GB as opposed to a 1TB NVME M.2 , for login.
and actual SSD's for information.
the stuff I ordered Sunday came today, so I am kinda in a rush to set 'er up.
I'm going to have to buy the SSD stuff at a later date, same with the GPU. but those aren't useful without a proper new PSU to power em up in the first place.
wraith mountain
i neeed a psu bro
thats the last part i need and im so excited
this is the only one i could find
its awfyul
elfin trout
yea.....
wraith mountain
and i need sfx so that makes it even worse
faint hound
sfx?
wraith mountain
metallicgear neo g mini v2
vocal talon
idk considering the itx premium price its not that bad with the psu market rn
wraith mountain
true ^
vocal talon
also thats a nice case love them
elfin trout
huh
was just taking a look at sfx psus on the psu tier list lmao
thats
theres one listed at 300$
other than that
nada
vocal talon
isnt the corsair ones like B tier or something
wraith mountain
its only 700w
elfin trout
like the corsair sf or one of the other ones was showing at like 100$
but it wasn't in stock
vocal talon
corsair sf is the gold standard for sfx psus, people love them
wraith mountain
should i get the one though
vocal talon
unless you can wait for the psu market to stabilize i'd probably pick it up
wraith mountain
?
elfin trout
looked weird for a second
its only got 1 cpu eps cable so what cpu do you have?
wouldn't be an issue unless you're tryna run a power hungry intel chip
single cable is rated for what, like 250w iirc
elfin trout
CPU usually has 4+4 but yea
wraith mountain
ill be fine then
vocal talon
unless youre doing heavy oc'ing on a 9900k you should be fine
wraith mountain
yeah ill be gud
elfin trout
or intel 10th gen xD
vocal talon
BuT iTs Z390 SmH
vocal talon
its like 270w max
elfin trout
aight
wraith mountain
naw im going with 9700k and havent decided on oc ing or not
wraith mountain
naw i got a 240 aio
should i grab the silverstone while its in stock?
theres only 27 left
elfin trout
well, doesn't look like there are issues with it
wraith mountain
its just so much more expensive tthan id like but im afraid i literally have no other option
elfin trout
yea...
shell pollen
the meshify s2 is on sale according to your site but the code doesnt work
@elfin trout is R6 gang referring to the fractal R6 case?
oak atlas
Hey! What do you think of reusing a PSU from a previous build? I got xpp725-hs from Sentey
blissful nimbus
is there a difference between the corsair rm and corsair rmx psu? one is from 2018 and the other 2019
scenic lance
Not that you could find either right now (I'm trying to locate an RMi) but go the the 2019 model out of the two.
wraith mountain
Hey guys psus are back in stock in Newegg and some on Amazon
lofty pewter
@scenic lance Just because it's newer doesnt mean it's better. Can easily see that a lot on EVGA PSUs where most newer ones are worse then older ones. As for 2018 RMx vs 2019 RM, 2018 RMx is better due to capacitors being slightly better
scenic lance
What do I know after 25 years of building...
lofty pewter
In those 25 years did you research PSUs to fully understand what makes a quality PSU? Things such as voltage regulation/ripple, included protections (and whether they work properly), transient response, capacity quality, fan quality, noise (both from fan & coil whine), whether it's group regulated, whether it's multi rail, how good the solder quality is, what the failure rate is, and what the average failure of the PSU causes, etc
scenic lance
You're wrong, all I'm going to say. Goodbye.
lofty pewter
Sure bud, 100% "wrong"
scenic lance
Yes. You're also blocked now. Goodbye.
lofty pewter
because when voltage regulation/ripple, included protections (and whether they work properly), transient response, fan quality, noise, and such is all the same within a small margin for RM 2019 and RMx 2018 and the only differentiating thing is capacitor quality, where the RMx wins, totally should get the RM
scenic lance
I'll leave this space for Hei, who knows all.
lofty pewter
prove to me that newer is better
always better
because all I have to do is point you to EVGA G2, G3, and G5
the newer PSUs slowly get worse and worse
scenic lance
Well, I've installed both. The oldest failed and was replaced by the newer. Which hasn't.
lofty pewter
right, out of a sample of one?
scenic lance
Evga is and was crap as far as I'm concerned.
lofty pewter
G2, P2, T2 and such isnt "crap" but alright
scenic lance
I build with corsair. Totally a sample of 1. Take your assumptions and shove them.
lofty pewter
and do you do a lot of builds? because if not a 2018 model wont have a lot of sample rates for the average person
after all, it was released in 2018, not giving much time for that high samples
like 1000+
2 - 4 in a row can easily be a batch failure, look at Nvidia 2080
scenic lance
I'm done with you and your attitude.
lofty pewter
and their 1 month after release
scenic lance
Freelance troubleshooter and high end system builder, I don't base things on 1 situation, or occurance. You came in and assumed I knew nothing. Clearly you think you know everything, so have fun with that.
lofty pewter
"Just because it's newer doesnt mean it's better" = "assumed [you] knew nothing"?
No.... That isnt how it works
I gave a statement with supporting points, and you misunderstood as me hating on you
flat eagle
willow hollow
golden kestrel
eager monolith
👀
lime fog
chrome iris
next ocean
alpine fox
I see somebody had a nice little flounce.
lime fog
tame fulcrum
In other news: I've had about 8 PSUs on my Wish List dor a few weeks now. Finally saw a Fractal Design Ion+ 660 (A on Tier List) in stock, so i snatched it up. Arriving Friday, as last part in my build.
Woooohooo! 😀
scenic lance
golden kestrel
Nice
blissful nimbus
are evga psu's good?
outer crown
Nice
glacial needle
what he said ^ but they are a good brand with a long warranty period. reference the psu tier list found here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
anything tier B and higher is worthwhile
blissful nimbus
ooo okay so the a tiers and stuff are more reliable then?
golden kestrel
The higher the tier the better
The bottom stuff isn't just unreliable, often times its actually hazardous
blissful nimbus
why is it so hard just to find a good one
glacial needle
tier E can be hazardous, D is if you abuse it, C is okay, b and above is best and they are better the higher they are
i personally use the EVGA G+ 650 watt rn. its pretty gud and not terribly expensive
if you can find one
golden kestrel
I miss the phanteks amp
glacial needle
my last one was a thermaltake (somewhere in tier D) and it was 850 watt, and I got it for 60 bucks. served me great for 5 years but just refused to turn on one day
my plan was to try to make that one last forever since it was 850 watt. this was long before I knew about the tier list tho lol
golden kestrel
I bought my cxm hoping it would last me a long time without knowing of the tier list.
Now I have to deal with coil while for a long time
golden kestrel
Ah should of thought of that 
golden kestrel
Like November last year
scenic lance
Warranty?
golden kestrel
What about it?
scenic lance
I'd get it swapped out
golden kestrel
Aren't warranties for things that break? Not dissatisfaction with a product
glacial needle
they may not swap it out for a coil whine issue as i believe that isnt considered broken
you could try tho
scenic lance
Coil whine though, I'd try it
glacial needle
probably unless they dont have any in stock. If theyre anything like EVGA if they dont have any in stock they send you the next best thing lol
but also coil whine may not be a thing on every single psu
of that model
scenic lance
Sometimes, you can ask to pay the difference to bump up, in my experience.
glacial needle
or that. didn't even think of that lol
golden kestrel
Ok thats tomorrow's problem, thx for the info
scenic lance
Will a board specifically b450m pro-vdh fit into a nr600?
elfin trout
I don't see why not
elfin trout
everything outta stock
soft swan
Oof
glacial needle
it so pretty tho
slim venture
i think so too
but i just realized that the be quiet comes with that rgb strip down the middle so there isnt really any need to buy rgb fans just regular ones
but i would want an rgb fan in the back
glacial needle
porque no los dos
quaint island
does anyone know of a case that has the potential for 3 output 140mm slots while being relatively cheap. I was going to get the NZXT H710 but thats out of my price range. I am planning on getting a 120mm aio for my gpu and a 240mm aio for my cpu
gentle inlet
according to this website this corsair psu is expected to be in stock by june 15th https://www.shopblt.com/item/corsair-cp-9020180-na-rmx-series-rm850x-80/corsar_cp9020180nah.html#Availability
found it randomly trying to find a 4 + 4 psu cable
next ocean
rip to the people wo have to wait. I got my rm850x
scenic lance
I have to wait for an RMi
gentle inlet
i have a functioning psu, but it may not be sufficient for z490 and basically need a new psu lol
gentle inlet
what is what my psu, mb?
yeah i am going with the 10700k and the mb z490 gigabyte aorus pro ax
my psu is the thermaltake toughpower 80+ gold 750w. i posted in the mobo channel that it only has a 1 8 pin (4+4) connector
z490 boards have at least one 8 pin (4+4) and 4 pin connection. some have two 8 pin connections
half meadow
@gentle inlet what gpu?
next ocean
sick benjals
I feel like you're probably going to need a slightly larger PSU if you plan to do any overclocking/ heavy gaming loads and such
maybe 1000w.
gentle inlet
i think 750-850 should be fine for me and even prominent techtubers who tested the 10900k. jayztwocents and robeytech come to mind.
2070 super @half meadow
gentle inlet
also seeing in stock on best buy
tempted to get the corsair rm 750w but a few people received ones that were DOA or died within months
according to newegg reviews
slim venture
you going gold or what?
slim venture
rip lmao
gentle inlet
still eyeing evga primarily
i mean the 1000w is in stock still
neweggbusiness still has the 2018 versions for corsair tho
lofty pewter
1000w G+ is a waste of money
at least go multi rail with such a high wattage
and actually good voltage regulation/ripple and transient response
fickle bison
Whats a good price point to spend on a psu that isnt "Budget" but not stupid pricing?
abstract laurel
I am so confused on this thing... I'm not sure what to do. I am looking for a drop tech, shock case for my son's new Acer Chromebook 15"
noble tide
What did the Psu say to the other Psu, "You know watt?" Im pritty extatic
gentle inlet
i went with rm 750, it came back in stock temporarily at twilight hours
it also has a 10 year warranty so i think it'll be ok
plus replacement cables are much easier and cheaper to get on amazon for corsair psu's
elfin trout
:D
crimson galleon
Any roccomendations for cases? I like teh 220t
eager monolith
If you got a big budget, rog helios
crimson galleon
ok, gonna look at those, thankssss
lime fog
I’m just waiting for the RAM and SSDs to arrive too
chilly herald
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08412JPCH what are the fans called in that case?
willow hollow
but thats a really nice case
prob gonna recommend it to friend who wants to build
hes new so rgb should be an appeal
o wait but the panels are acrylic
and not glass
chilly herald
It's still a beautiful case though
elfin trout
@willow hollow
willow hollow
hmm the reviews all say that it was acrylic?
elfin trout
Justegg kinda owns it
you can ask him
oh I see why
@willow hollow amazon reviews are crappy, it groups everything.... TD500 was the older model
willow hollow
lmaooo i remember we had this discussion before
why are different models different sizes lmao
for 100$ 3 rgb fans, mesh, and tempered glass atx seems like a good deal
willow hollow
what size ?
mesh
willow hollow
pog
elfin trout
@willow hollow a pic of the case is in #build-pics
chilly herald
How are the temps for your CPU and GPU?
lime fog
Wip
willow hollow
is the only difference between those the color?
lime fog
Yes
willow hollow
:)) gl
gentle inlet
i am honestly surprised this worked
last night best buy was bugging out with their inventory and add to cart function
but i guess google shopping worked
luckily this comes with two 8 pin 4+4 connectors
slim venture
gg
wispy hawk
Anyone have any luck with backorder psus from newegg? Really need to get a psu to finish my build... zz/
gentle inlet
you could try neweggbusiness some stuff is available there that isn't on newegg
tame fulcrum
@wispy hawk i was shopping parts for weeks. Had 8 PSUs on Wish List. Finally gave in and put a backordered psu on order. No change in like 3 days.
I kept checking and found a different brand (still v good rating) that became available so i snatched it.
Be sure to check at different times of the day, or early AM.
gentle inlet
best buy is allowing the rm 750 to be added to your cart but idk if they'll let you check out https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-rm-series-750w-atx12v-2-52-eps12v-2-92-80-plus-gold-modular-power-supply-black/6356248.p?skuId=6356248
and it was available earlier tonight then sold out, but is back again
i had success yesterday getting an order in through google shopping if this is the model and wattage you are looking for https://www.google.com/shopping/product/18101325319547059664?psb=1&tbm=shop&prds=epd%3A11721321483712890964%2Cprmr%3A3&ved=0CCMQ0FUoAGoXChMI_KK18dHJ6QIVgyZiCh2Uig1qEAI
gone pretty fast, but it will probably come back. shopblt's availability info is pretty consistent with my expected delivery date vs their eta date
north wind
Hey guys I wanted to get the nzxt h510 case but on Newegg it’s wayyy over priced, normally they are $70, does anyone know why? Or know when prices might change?
elfin trout
Corona
And h510 bad airflow :p
Look at some other options, like TD500 mesh, Meshify C, Focus G, etc. @north wind
median grove
Is PowerSpec (Micro Center) a reliable PSU brand?
slim venture
Okay so the TD500 Mesh or Pure Base 500DX?
elfin trout
TD500 mesh
all the way :D
@median grove depends on model like always, the PSX-GFM Gold seems semi-decent
other stuff bad
median grove
@elfin trout https://www.microcenter.com/product/485501/powerspec-650-watt-80-plus-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply
median grove
The only reason that one's in consideration is because everything else seems to be sold out atm
wraith mountain
@wispy hawk i just got one from newegg, they have a really decent stock. i got a 850w bronze atx fullmodular for 125$
from rosewill i belive
not surre tho
sharp zealot
Howdy all. Wondering if anyone here can give me some first hand experiences with some of the new open air cases. Makes sense that airflow would be better as long as the excess dust/dander is regularly handled. That said, I'm curious if anyone can share any drawbacks to it I may not have considered.
Here's an example of the type of case I'm referring to (i don't necessarily plan on getting this one as I want read a bunch more recent reviews on various options):
lofty pewter
@sharp zealot some of the "open-ish" type cases aren't too good. Like that one. Front panel is still quite closed off and only airflow is probs from the top. Which due to being open air from back it can't forcefully circulate air near the bottom as easily. Which can cause some things to be a bit hotter then what some people like.
@wraith mountain 850w bronze doesn't really feel good. Most decent bronze PSUs are more or less just barely at the acceptable level of being good enough. While at 850w level one should expect great quality, multi rail, etc due to the PC that'd need an 850w being OCed 3990X+2080Ti or OCed 3950X+dual 2080Ti or better.
elfin trout
Hei he went 850w bronze because it was the only sfx PSU in stock he could find
slim venture
bruh the 500dx really went out of stock until june 20
sharp zealot
Thanks @lofty pewter that's good general advice, I wasn't even thinking about the solid bottom front that would definitely impede some airflow going in.. I'm pretty particular about the air circulation in my cases even when I go more liquid. Mobo's and ram still can run pretty hot if air doesn't have an efficient cycle. As mentioned, that one wasn't one I was necessarily going to grab and I still have a few more hours of due diligence before I decide.
slim venture
looks like im getting the td500 @elfin trout
slim venture
u won 
lofty pewter
@sharp zealot If going liquid and you have some top air, or maybe front air as replacement, then temps shouldnt be too bad. Just kinda a "nice to have" thought usually rather then "need to have"
sharp zealot
@lofty pewter LOL, when I do my gaming rig rebuild every number of years, I always aim to get more "nice to have" then worrying about "need to have" as the former is generally of better quality and has a better track record with me. I grab a case that has enough room for any liquid solutions but still like to ensure the air flow in it is efficient enough to keep everything cool even without liquid - colder the better is a great moto! ;-)
I'd rather spend more on more reliable and higher quality. I mean, the last time I did a full gaming rebuild for myself (and not for someone else) was probably almost 10 years ago. I've upgraded some HDD drives to SSD & obviously my video card a few times, but the chip, mobo, ram, and PSU are still holding their own. i7 4960 Devil's canyon's still test out pretty well considering their age.
lofty pewter
There are def some "nice to have" that I wouldnt skip out on despite it not being needed. Say for example on a PSU and having OTP (Over temperature protection). Does make it a bit easier to kill the PSU (even then, pretty hard to kill it) but isnt really sketchy in killing the rest of the PC if everything else is good.
but despite that, still try not to skip out on it
sharp zealot
yeah, definitely. Though to be honest, my psu is actually from 2 rebuilds ago. It was a really good 1000w Thermal that has been excellent
lofty pewter
ye, pretty nice
wraith mountain
@lofty pewter i could return it if its really that bad, but ive heard that the effienbciency rating really doesnt matter that much
sick elbow
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wraith mountain
hey campbell
lofty pewter
@wraith mountain efficiency rating doesnt really matter. But you can sometimes guess the general quality of a PSU with wattage+rating. I have yet to hear of a 850w bronze worth buying and thus my trust in that isnt all too high
scenic lance
Neither of those is a guarantee on the quality
vocal talon
doesnt rosewill make more budget end things? (aios cases etc)
wraith mountain
yikes
rose furnace
Who makes the parts for PSUs?
median grove
Asian countries mostly
rose furnace
I read this was a problem before the virus
So were the terrifs making PSUs hard to get?
vernal flax
when is nvidias next conference for the 3000 series
scenic lance
lol, tariffs. The virus hit there and closed down factories way before the virus hit here.
lofty pewter
I mean, factories were already shut down before due to chinese new year which lasts about 3 weeks or so. Virus hit just as the new year was ending for them
slim venture
i copped it @elfin trout 
wispy hawk
Found a Corsair HX1000 80 plus platinum for $180 on CL. Would it be completely stupid to buy a PSU from Craigslist? It mentions "like new condition" and looks to be pretty new. Should I ask to see it run in a pc? I'm worried that it will burn out parts but I'm also worried that I wont be able to get my back order PSU in time for my other parts that are already on the way. 1000w is quite overkill for my i9 9900k + gtx 2070 super build, but this is what I can find. What do you all think?
wraith mountain
180?
id just get something for 120 man, no need to spend so much on a psu
it wont change anyuthing
wispy hawk
I mean, I would, but currently everything is so far out on back order. I back ordered my psu and even after a week & a half its still backorder with no end in sight zzz. 😦
if I could find one I'd snag it. The mentioned best buy 750 I've been trying also the last 3 days no luck ordering with it either
wraith mountain
newegg has pretty good stock, i picked up a 850w bronze fully mod just a couple days ago, it was in stock
id check newegg for sure, and sort by in stock
for 125$
scenic lance
Just don't Rosewill and you'll be fine.
scenic lance
Rosewill is/was a Newegg brand, designed to fill the intro/low-end market.
wraith mountain
then why is it 125
125 is not low end
and plus, what makes it low end compared to other psus?
scenic lance
Price does not always = quality.
wraith mountain
thats my question
scenic lance
Cheaper components.
scenic lance
I'm don't need to prove it. I was around when Rosewill was first introduced.
Cheaper components, more failures, less stability, etc.
eager monolith
@wispy hawk
Idk if their still in stock, but there were some open box no cables AX1200i (s-tier PSUs) on eBay for $109. Better off getting that and a cablemod kit
wispy hawk
@wraith mountain I've only been sitting on newegg
wispy hawk
No decent PSUs without long back order no.
wraith mountain
dang, i could definitely find a few
lemme check once more
bro what are you talking about
literally EVERYTHING is in stock
blissful nimbus
proof
scenic lance
None of the ones I'm looking at for my build are in stock
wispy hawk
If you look at them, they are all on backorder.
scenic lance
CX low end
wraith mountain
its just thge first page
huh
well i have no idea why they would list them as in stock while they are back order
well heres the one i got, its still in stock with great shipping
scenic lance
Might die after a week, but it's in stock.
wraith mountain
the reveiws are great too
scenic lance
Not all of them
scenic lance
I've explained what Rosewill is. You don't have to believe it, but it's NOT high quality. I wouldn't even put it at Mid
wraith mountain
you are right, a lot of them do fail
i wish i read more reveiws now
but, its already been ordered so ill havbbe to take my chjances
scenic lance
Hopefully it works out. They're not all bad. Hopefully.
wraith mountain
my fingers are crossed
tame fulcrum
I agree with @scenic lance - based on past experience (pcs i built around 2000-2005). Were generally cheaper, accessory parts. (Plastic when other brands were using aluminum)
HOWEVER, i recently bought a Rosewill laptop stand/cooler, and it appears to be very good quality - smart, durable design, and no fans/leds have quit.
tame fulcrum
@wispy hawk i was hoping gor a Corsair RM or RMx series, but never saw any become close to being available.
Following the Tier List for other brands, i eent with a Fractal Design ion+ 660W: "A" on list, 80+ Platinum rated, good reviews, 10 yr warranty, and was only $120ish. (Also currently sold out, but keep checking other brands)
Was also considering Gamdias Kratos, even though I'd never heard of them. I'll trust the list more than customer reviews that like twinkly lights.
Good luck, man!
sick elbow
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wraith mountain
@tame fulcrum should i get a used psu?
chrome iris
If it’s a very good power supply (Seasonic Prime for example) it should be okay. If it’s a decent or even semi-good PSU, still don’t buy it used. Power supplies are risky
wraith mountain
yeah
tame fulcrum
/agree
Not many pc parts I'd consider used, unless building a cheap system for backup, host pricate game/web/voice server, etc. Wouldn't trust as my primary pc.
vocal tree
buy used psu for 5 bucks from 2004
tame fulcrum
Used, i might consider cpu, ram, gpu, nic, mobo (assuming all worked). I'd steer clear of used HDD/SSD, psu, or fans. (imho)
vocal tree
^
I'm fine with used fans as long as they work and they're quiet
haven't gotten the chance to test one I got out of a Lenovo computer
rather, I haven't taken the chance to do so
eager monolith
And I'm here with a used psu, refurbished mobo & open box case
I'd have gone used on the rest too if it was cheaper 🙂
cyan lark
Kinda surprised at the amount of people who think buying used is bad. I've probably built 100 PCs in the last year and a half with abou 85% used parts, I've had 1 GPU fail... And zero PSUs.