#cases-psu-and-cooling | Newegg | Page 31

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Yep

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America? @light wyvern

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Yep

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Thx

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Wait

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You said h500

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And td500

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Nvm

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FP3mP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dwt

Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case

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@light wyvern

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I have this case myself

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I can send some pics if you want

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Yes please

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Its not the most white, but

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Looks nice does it give good airflow

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Yes

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Do you know gamersnexus?

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I can always paint it over

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Yeah

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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They gave it case if the year 2019

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And best thermals 2019

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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That’s awesome

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Yep

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Its a really nice case for the price

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Can you send me some pics of it with ur setup

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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A lot of cable management room

light wyvern Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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looks nice

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Yeah gimme a sec

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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📎 JPEG_20200212_173312.jpg

scenic lance Feb 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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SEND PICS

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Bottom kinda comes off

scenic lance Feb 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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oh

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sorry idk

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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📎 JPEG_20200212_173342.jpg

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Top doesnt budge

scenic lance Feb 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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oof

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is it a p400a?

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i know nothing about that case

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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why are you trying to take the top off

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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No not the top

scenic lance Feb 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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so can install rgb

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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send a better pic then cause those are bad pics lol

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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The side with nothing

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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like

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full picture

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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📎 JPEG_20200212_173502.jpg

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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and picture of the side panel itself angled towards the top

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Trying to tak that off

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Gimme sec

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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ok

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if you're trying to take it off

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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📎 JPEG_20200212_173531.jpg

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:35 PM

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from that orientation, you should be able to just slide it >>>

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Damn it

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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pull the little handle lip

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I think I broke it

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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how

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I pulled off the bottom

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:36 PM

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uh

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slide towards back

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Wait no

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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and take it off

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I didnt

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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ok

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good

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Got it

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:37 PM

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good 🙂

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Love how they left rubber grommets but cable managed all of their wires over them lol

📎 JPEG_20200212_173729.jpg

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:41 PM

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eh thats not that abnormal

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Its not, just silly

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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wait thats a new case right

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Yes

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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yeah thats normal. theyre just keepign the wires from being thrown everywherre in shipping

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:42 PM

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But like... just do it on the side

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So I can use those holes

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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they wouldn't put the wires through the gromits cause diff mobos have diff slots in diff places

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you're supposed to take em out and cablemanange where you need em at lol

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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But why dont they do it for me.....

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Kidding

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:43 PM

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ok lol

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I wish

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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cause ive had mobos that have the front IO on the side instead of bottom

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and sata ports on the bottom instead of side

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etc etc

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Yeah

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:44 PM

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what case is that btw

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:48 PM

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P400A

glacial needle Feb 12, 2020, 5:51 PM

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ah. nice 🙂

candid moth Feb 12, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Yep

candid moth Feb 13, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Hey,I bought the P400A digital and was wondering what fans are inside? It doesnt say on the product page

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Wondering if anyone knows

flat eagle Feb 14, 2020, 12:23 PM

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off newegg?

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if so it say it the specs.

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Fan Options
Front: 3 x 120mm (2 x 120mm black fan included) or 2 x 140mm fan

elfin trout Feb 14, 2020, 6:09 PM

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@flat eagle I think they want model number to buy more of em

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I found it for them before but I'm too lazy to check the product website rn

candid moth Feb 14, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Its missing a wire what do I do

📎 JPEG_20200214_185402.jpg

candid moth Feb 14, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Top left

drifting sonnet Feb 14, 2020, 9:25 PM

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i'm using a prebuilt, do you think there's any way for me to control the rgb in the case cooling, or is it probably wired into the case? cyberpowerpc one, so it's all their stuff

candid moth Feb 15, 2020, 12:02 PM

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@drifting sonnet its most likely connected to the front io

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If theres any buttons you don't understand press it and it might change it

drifting sonnet Feb 15, 2020, 4:39 PM

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i know there's a button i just wonder if i can do my own thing

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 7:41 PM

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how do you shop for the right psu to fit in your case?

candid moth Feb 15, 2020, 7:42 PM

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What case?

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 7:43 PM

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in a Lenovo H50 case

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micro atx board

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and I'm pretty sure the case is matx as well

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ok I guess a good start is to look up the shady psu that's in it already

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:33 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/LENOVO-FSP280-40PA-280W-ThinkCentre-M82/dp/B016YJYK9C

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so I think this is it 🤣

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I don't know what info is relevant in matching it with my case

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is it just...micro atx case, micro atx psu?

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:43 PM

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no

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that doesnt (on the surface of things) look like a atx psu

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hm, never mind

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it actually looks like it IS a ATX psu

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meaning, most other psu's that you see us talk about here should fit in that case

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and that is a good thing @vocal tree

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:47 PM

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a while ago, I measured it and compared it to the dimensions of various psu's on Amazon, just looking for one that was the same width and height, and at the time I found it difficult to find any

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:48 PM

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its not the total measurement that is actually important

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its the part the screws into the case

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the "depth" of the unit can vary quite a bit :)

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the other two measurements (because they have to fit the screwholes in the ATX case standard) should be very similar however

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:49 PM

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yeah

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:49 PM

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https://www.pchub.com/fsp-group-inc-fsp280-40pa-server-power-supply-280w-fsp280-40pa-36200172-0b56076-54y8859-p158999 <- does that look familiar @vocal tree ?

PcHub.com - Spare Parts for Laptops, Servers & Automation

FSP Group Inc FSP280-40PA Server - Power Supply 280W, FSP280-40PA, ...

280W PSU For Lenovo H530 m8400 FSP280-40PA, 36200172, 0B56076, 54Y8859 FSP Group Inc FSP280-40PA Server - Power Supply

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:50 PM

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yeah that ought to be it xd

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:50 PM

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look at the first picture, see the 4 screw holes and the pattern they form?

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the "bumped" square-ish shape?

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___X X

X X

kinda looks like that?

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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yep :)

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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just ignore the _ discord formats away spaces :)

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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. lol, a period would fix that

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;)

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:54 PM

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https://microless.com/cdn/products/4a03f7af43a7cb932903b89abc047a7b-hi.jpg <- the pattern look familiar?

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@vocal tree

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:54 PM

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yup

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:55 PM

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that is the cx (2017) that we recommend all the time

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:55 PM

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ah

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:55 PM

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does that answer your general question about psu?

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:56 PM

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I think so

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:56 PM

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ok :)

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:56 PM

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yeah haha

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:56 PM

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ask if you have more questions :)

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:57 PM

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how would I approach estimating total system wattage?

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:58 PM

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in general, just list things here and we can over it with you

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or buy a 550 and dont worry about it

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:58 PM

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hehe

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 9:58 PM

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you can get a LONG way with 550w

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as in, a 12core and a 2080 is not a problem

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 9:59 PM

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yeah I might just go with 550

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 10:00 PM

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do remember, it has to have a certain quality

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the 550 number alone is not enough

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 10:00 PM

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I don't think this computer goes over 250 atm

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I'll be mindful of that :)

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I was looking at the cx you linked, are these all cx (2017)?

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just asking because of the silly product title

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tender root Feb 15, 2020, 10:03 PM

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the black/grey one yes

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 10:08 PM

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ok, thanks for the help

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 10:11 PM

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you are very welcome @vocal tree

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 10:43 PM

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one thing I didn't consider, my board has a 14 pin board power plug, and 4 pin CPU

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I remember seeing psu cables that have detachable additions for boards with 24 pin, 8 pin or such

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 10:45 PM

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your board will NOT work with a psu like the CX

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or any other "normal" ATX psu

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 10:46 PM

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darn xd

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 10:46 PM

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because that 14pin is a custom connector that your system manufacturer has cooked up in some mad lab somewhere

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regular atx connector is 20(+4)pin

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 10:51 PM

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I don't imagine it would be practical to get a 20 or 24 pin to 14 pin adapter, would it?

tender root Feb 15, 2020, 10:51 PM

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doubt it

vocal tree Feb 15, 2020, 10:52 PM

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I suppose I could build a new computer if that's what it comes down to 😅

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this would be an okay computer to give to my mom

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she's stuck with a Dell Inspiron 15 7548 laptop I think

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it has a 2c4t 5th gen i7, 8gb of 1600mhz ddr3, and a hard drive

lofty pewter Feb 16, 2020, 12:17 AM

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@tender root actually wasn't 14 pin just some old dumb standard?

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I hear about it, rarely tho

tender root Feb 16, 2020, 12:49 AM

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you are thinking AT @lofty pewter

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yes, but it would not be the first time that it was custom wired on the connector

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welcome to the wonders of OEM machines :D

latent light Feb 16, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Is Lancool 2 a good case? Hardware Canucks and Jay say it's the best but Steve from GN tested it and had bad temps

raven zenith Feb 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Whats the best psu out of those? Sorry kind of a werid format but need help lol

elfin trout Feb 16, 2020, 6:04 AM

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RMi should be the best. @raven zenith

vague hatch Feb 16, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Hey, so at my local store these power supplies from a company called "powerspec" are on sale. Can I trust this company or should I still go with the previous recommendation of a corsair cx?

plucky bough Feb 16, 2020, 6:07 AM

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You can’t trust all PSUs of a particular company

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Also, I’ve never heard of PowerSpec so I would go with CX 2017 since I’m sure it’s a safe choice

elfin trout Feb 16, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Sketchy sounding company

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Cx is a good budget series.

vague hatch Feb 16, 2020, 6:08 AM

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OK, thanks for that

plucky bough Feb 16, 2020, 6:09 AM

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No worries 😉

vague hatch Feb 16, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Hmm, it's always price or quality with these things. Even budget psus run you over $60

plucky bough Feb 16, 2020, 6:12 AM

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CX 450 is $58

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CX 550 is $51

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Mind that

vague hatch Feb 16, 2020, 6:14 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cx-series-cx550-550w/p/N82E16817139202?&quicklink=true
Is this part of that cx "2017" lineup?

plucky bough Feb 16, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Yep

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FdRFf7

Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

vague hatch Feb 16, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Cool, I can just get the $20 rebate that's applicable to that psu

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Also my dad (he's building a pc too) sent me a link to a different psu. Seems a bit too cheap for a 500w
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Certified-Continuous-cooling-PS-SPD-0500NPCWUS-W/dp/B014W3EM2W

plucky bough Feb 16, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Thermaltake Smart is bad, get CX instead 🙂

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https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/ This tier list could help you with your choice(s)

Linus Tech Tips

PSU Tier List 4.0

PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 9.2 welcome to the brand new PSU Tier List! Created and maintained by @Princess Luna, @DatTestBench, @Stefan Payne, @GreatMasterAden, @PSUGuru, @Juular and @LukeSavenije Last Update: 14-02-2020 Tiering of various units is opinion based off reputable sour...

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It’s pretty accurate, just double check in #cases-psu-and-cooling or #building-and-recc-chat when you make your decision

vague hatch Feb 16, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Thanks for the help... Again

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This time I'll be sure to take a screenshot

plucky bough Feb 16, 2020, 6:35 AM

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No worries, good luck !

chilly holly Feb 16, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Guys, where do you plug in the fans on the motherboard?

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Burned one of my fans. Help.

vocal tree Feb 16, 2020, 6:54 AM

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📎 Unbenannt.png

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case fans will be marked with SYS_FAN or CHA_FAN and CPU_FAN is just the CPU fan

mighty stream Feb 16, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Thoughts on the snowblind case?

chilly holly Feb 16, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Using the Thermaltake 120 RPG radiator fan.

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It got 2 plugs.

vocal tree Feb 16, 2020, 6:57 AM

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o

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so you have a radiator with two fans?

chilly holly Feb 16, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Already installed the radiator with 3 fans. Got 3 extra radiator fans, so I thought I could add more fans on the bottom.

vocal tree Feb 16, 2020, 6:58 AM

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ah

chilly holly Feb 16, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Tried it. RGP working bot fan not spinning.

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Guess I'll take it apart later, Thank you.

mighty stream Feb 16, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Anyone have any experience with the snowblind case

lofty pewter Feb 16, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I'd suggest making your own. The case is quite overpriced

sharp fox Feb 16, 2020, 11:01 PM

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3d print your own case

pulsar basin Feb 17, 2020, 1:23 AM

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I've considered trying to 3D print a case but I can't find a good ATX case model. Are there any online?

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 1:30 AM

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3D printing a case is a bad idea cause of heat that some parts can generate and also most 3D printing material isnt strong. also a print of that scale would take weeks lol

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 1:49 AM

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@lofty pewter is EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750w a good psu?

lofty pewter Feb 17, 2020, 1:50 AM

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It's eh. I wouldnt get it

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 1:50 AM

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recomendation for 650-750watt?

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Personally I'd suggest thermaltake smart 700w for $55 on amazon

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I have a used 500w that survived being attempted to run an 1800x and 2 furies in CF @glacial needle

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Needless to say that bc it still works I have mad respect for the unit/series

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if you don't care on price there's definitely higher end units tho

tender root Feb 17, 2020, 2:00 AM

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that does not mean it is a good unit. (that is not a judgement on the unit). Mind, this is a comment on recommending things based on the sample size of 1

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 2:01 AM

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It also has all the ratings and reviews. Both technical breakdown its a solid unit, no issues with cooling or power delivery. And anecdotal evidence from hundreds of customers

tender root Feb 17, 2020, 2:05 AM

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i have personally never used it. so i would not recommend it

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But i will happily admit that i dont recommend stuff i have not used myself

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Fair enough

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 2:06 AM

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on naeds point, im literally using a psu that is amazing for me, apparently explodes for other people lol

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 2:06 AM

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oh, the evga bronze series @glacial needle?

flat eagle Feb 17, 2020, 2:07 AM

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@glacial needle I feel the same way with my mobo.

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 2:07 AM

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no its an old thermaltake 850w bronze

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what mobo?

flat eagle Feb 17, 2020, 2:07 AM

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gigabyte x570 gaming x

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 2:08 AM

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eh, if it works and is 80+ rated and has no heat or ripple voltage issues

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 2:09 AM

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as long as its not MSI ;P

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 2:09 AM

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msi power supply?

glacial needle Feb 17, 2020, 2:09 AM

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no mobo lol

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the psu thing is only an issue if you go over the wattage it produces, which is 850, which i will never hit

tender root Feb 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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and/or dont ever have a part that hits one of the corner cases that a given PSU is bad at

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that is why i personally really only use the higher end seasonic stuff, because i know how it will perform in all kinds of weird situations, and for me, that is worth the cost and then some

hasty delta Feb 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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The high end seasonic are amazing. If my my G2 ever fails or I need more than 850W for some reason that is what I will probably get.

tender root Feb 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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aye, "sadly" they also know what they want for them :)

lofty pewter Feb 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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@still blade I wouldnt say that TT Smart is that great. Esp when apparently lacking OTP and UVP by the looks of things. Probably also a sleeve bearing fan too

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bad crossloads can very, very, easily cause instability with anything consuming moderate amounts of power as that is usually group regulated stuff right there

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basically year 2000 tech

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not to mention that TT Smart 80+ tends to blow up significantly more then other PSUs

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Just as a note, never go by brand or random Amazon reviews for most things. They have no clue what actually makes up the product they buy. Simply put, TT Smart is pretty trash in comparison to many, many other competitors. Even ones at the same price as it

vocal talon Feb 17, 2020, 1:50 PM

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what website is that?

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 5:07 PM

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@lofty pewter you should double check which smart you're looking at bc the current series is the "quiet fan" which has sleeping on all the cables and as the name suggests a fan with better bearings.

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Also, what 700w are you finding at $55

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I'd really like to know

elfin trout Feb 17, 2020, 5:44 PM

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You still really NEED OTP and UVP though. Any protection missing makes a PSU not really worth buying @still blade

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Also a possible bad fan and lacking OTP is a combo that could end up being the death of your system :p

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Ok, but you didn't even double check the unit

elfin trout Feb 17, 2020, 5:50 PM

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All I need to know is that TT smart 80+ is tier D on the tier list

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Also the one you did link: https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermaltake-smart-730-w-power-supply-review/5/

Hardware Secrets

Gabriel Torres

Thermaltake Smart 730 W Power Supply Review - Page 5 of 12 - Hardwa...

The Smart Series is a new entry-level power supply series from Thermaltake, with the standard 80 Plus certification. Let’s see if the 730 W model is a good choice.

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Same old model

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Not one of the new ones

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If you're going to bash a psu at least do it right

elfin trout Feb 17, 2020, 5:57 PM

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It says its a different platform on the conclusion page lol

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From anything below 730w

lofty pewter Feb 17, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@still blade There are multiple smart series yes. However they all have extra prefixed/suffixes. Smart M for example. The one with none is the one I was talking about, and the one you also were talking about. If you're talking about a different one you need to specify the actual model name, not just part of it

still blade Feb 17, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I linked it

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I don't know how much more specific you want

lofty pewter Feb 17, 2020, 6:54 PM

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You sure a PSU model from 2012 is the current one? As the "current" smart sold on Amazon certainly doesn't look like this

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Not to mention that unit also has some loose voltage regulations and doesn't do crossload tests

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Voltage ripples are pretty damn high on 12v rail

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Also that one you linked has a sleeve bearing fan. Basically worse bearing you can get for modern computer fans

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Mainly has to do with low lifespan

grim estuary Feb 18, 2020, 12:13 AM

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So, I want to get a new case sub $100. I was looking at the Corsair SPEC 06 case, anyone know much about it?

fluid flower Feb 18, 2020, 1:38 AM

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nr600 or p300a

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p300a is $15 cheaper

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Whats a cube-form factor or smaller that can fit a full size psu

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Trying to swap from a h510 to something a lot smaller

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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you want a 100% cube ?

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as in, equal on all sides?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Doesnt have to be 100%

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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or is a shoebox kinda shape okay?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Yeah, at least a portable size

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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node304

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https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/node/node-304/black/

Fractal Design

Node 304 — Fractal Design

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there you go @mint terrace

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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It can fit a full size psu right? Im using a evga 650w but dont remember the exact model

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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the main constraint in that case is PSU length

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Power supply type
ATX (up to 160 mm in length)

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take a look at the pictures on the page, and you will see why that is

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but keep in mind, a fair amount of psu's are below that length

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Gotcha. Preciate the help!

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Ill take a look at my psu size

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:14 AM

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it should be listed on the evga page

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dont trust the retailers listings

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go to the manufacturer page for that :)

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i am personally a big fan of the node304 case (sitting beside one now)

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nice and simple to build in, solid construction. and i like the design of it

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Woops psu is seasonic 🤦🏻‍♂️ confused it with my psu (its my gfs pc that im working on). Though that doesn't matter; its exactly 160mm in length, would that affect the cables though? Or is the case specs excluding that and has space

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@tender root

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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which psu?

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@mint terrace

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Seasonic m12ii evo edition 520w

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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question: where did you see that it is 160?

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because that is not true

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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On the box itself

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I read 170 on the site just now

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:22 AM

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its a 170mm unit according to their own site

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Hmm this is awkward then lol

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tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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sorry for the "silly" link here

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https://seasonic.com/m12ii-evo?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=0238517f2b3d409d2f89a543dcfdd22c95dac8ef-1581996114-0-AVmUkGmaQaOQq4gQg27wNBWsZyen4HO_oxZ8UDlW75fxf1WG_A3j8DhkdGdc8NifsqA8AGUQqojvfbwHZK52shN3cg2CkYCUt9TMif9pVClgZ6RjAao_jxI1uOqzZdR2UrwFKqNSFGys7i-vGAMJcR6C19tOtN2zIE6sShGcpa5EteWCAuJi8O2nbUikven554iDdfFynWvJ5S4AuDApD9cTh6khQD_dxW7Ms1FgpBaiREOBb7O5AywYqWA1GrjySjDHFEWePXu4U8ioyY-HGqpzAzdVM3gF60NB1xI6m8LR#specification

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Its okay but yeah thats also where i read the 170

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Back to the drawing board i suppose

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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break out a ruler :)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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It can be bigger than a shoebox haha

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:24 AM

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and i will do the same here :)

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i have the case next to me afterall :)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Alright one second

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A few mins* as i have to take apart a few things :p

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:27 AM

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and i for the life of me cannot find my ruler

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let me just turn the case around here

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:30 AM

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tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:30 AM

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cables etc makes this a bit .. interesting :D

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Okie dokie

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Yeah, had to move around my cables haha

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Since the pc was already built

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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because the current psu in there is listed as 150mm long

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need to figure out how much extra space is there etc

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okay

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it is as i kinda remembered, the 160 is the absolute hard limit IF you have a GPU that is long enough

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in my case, the GPU takes up almost the full length of the case

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so my psu HAD to be below 160mm

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@mint terrace the machine you are looking at currently, how long is the GPU?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Hmmm i see

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Sorry was putting things back

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:35 AM

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no rush :)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Let me find the exact one i bought

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:35 AM

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and nothing to be sorry about :)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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@tender root https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-1067-KR

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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not happening

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Should we take this to the dm to prevent clutter?

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Yeah i figured haha

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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nah, this is fine

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it is something other people can learn from :)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Hence why i went the safer route with a cube

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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in theory, IF you had what is known as a ITX gpu, it would not be a problem with your current PSU

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Since well everything fit in the h510, just need something smaller so the gf can carry it to other houses

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Yeah, i didnt know how sizing worked

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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well, lets start from the top. what is the system actually ?

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board etc etc?

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a pcpart link is fine for me (if you have one)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Its a mini itx. Ill make a pcpartpicker list if that makes it easier

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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nah nah

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Yeah ill brb and make it

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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no need

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:39 AM

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O

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Okay

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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you answered in a logical fashion with the detail that i needed

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meaning, you are not 100% new to this

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I do have to get a smaller cooler though

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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which makes things way easier

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Yeah i never worked with small form factor builds, let alone a mini itx

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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intel or amd board?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Amd

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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stock cooler is fine

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plenty fine

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Problem is i dont have one haha

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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ah

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well, that should be easy to remedy

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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My friend gave this cpu board and cooler for free

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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you got a local computer store?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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The stock cooler he used in his dads build

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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you know, one that builds machines?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Nope, not where i live or almost anywhere in florida

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Wish we had a microcenter

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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shame, because those guys are almost willing to give away the stock coolers

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because they are just useless for them

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:42 AM

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I can ask this one dude who sells pcs on Facebook marketplace 😂

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One of those guys

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:42 AM

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well, ofc depends on budget, but it could be a reasonable solution

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because the ATX psu ensures you wont be going into one of the actually small cases

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so, there is no real need for a special cooler either

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:43 AM

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I was thinking of getting the noctua l9a

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Dont mind spending $40

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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you planning on OC'ing at all?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Nope

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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or just for the silence?

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Just for the low profile to fit into smaller cases lol

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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the LP part of it you dont actually need

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:44 AM

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And for future builds if she plans on upgrading

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:45 AM

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well, lets skip to the "hunting" part of this talk

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the case itself

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because that informs the rest of the choices :)

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Yeah haha

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I do have an interview tomorrow so gotta sum it up anyways :p

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:45 AM

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aye aye

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i am going to have a look around and then throw a couple of links in here with mentions, so you can find them tomorrow/whenever

mint terrace Feb 18, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Gotcha. Thanks naed! Time to hit the bed then 💀

tender root Feb 18, 2020, 3:47 AM

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enjoy :)

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https://www.bitfenix.com/products/chassis/mini-itx/prodigy/ @mint terrace IF you can find it, this is one of the more interesting cases

BitFenix.com

Cheng Sherry

Prodigy

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it fits the parts you have etc etc, i have checked.

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do be mindfull that it is the ITX and not the MATX version you find

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generally, the conclusion seems to be. Get a different PSU, it will open up more options for cases (IF going small-ish)

livid blade Feb 18, 2020, 6:55 PM

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So my Rosewill challenger s has 2 areas for 120m fans on the bottom (obviously for the psu) but does anyone know why it’s dual length?

fluid ether Feb 18, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Guyw should i take the corsair spev delta or the raid max neon

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 10:56 PM

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both have bad airflow, so neither

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:18 PM

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my case has 0 airflow and my temps are idle 30 on the cpu and idle 40 on the gpu with fans off, and ive never hit above 70 on either. Furthermore, i have my GPU vertical mounted with about a half centimeter of space from the glass

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anyways

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@fluid ether i would recommend the corsair spec delta

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corsair is a very nice brand

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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But, do you have your fans blasting at high RPM?

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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nope

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my pc is near silent

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and the rpms are low

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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at load?

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

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yep

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ive ran MSI kombustor, temps are fine

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never got loud

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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find that hard to say when looking at what GN says

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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i can take a video if youd like 🙂

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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for comparing bad airflow cases

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I mean, hard to get what actual noise is too

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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its never gotten to the point where i notice a difference between idle and load

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its very quiet

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

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I like my noise normalized perf numbers

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Honestly I don't rely on GN for sound readings since realistically there's a lot more noise in my room than just my PC

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its helpful but i don't really mind noise much

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:24 PM

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pretty much any modern fan will be quiet imo

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some are louder than others, but most recent name brand ones are quiet

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i have 5 corsair ML120 rgb ones in my pc

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two of them on the AIO

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and 3 fans for my GPU

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I just have the two fans that my h510 came with and honestly they're not terrible but they're a little noisy

vocal talon Feb 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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yeah but also a 1070 isn't gonna stess a case a ton

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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but i also sit with my pc next to me and they're but exhaust

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I mean 40db noise normalized and looking at CPU temps, that is a wide spread from "no airflow" to "actual airflow"
edit: not noise normalized graph here. Me dumb dumb

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vocal talon Feb 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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@outer violet set them to the lowest they can go, mine are pretty quiet at 500-540rpm

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Yeah, I really should for idle

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:27 PM

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mine are near 1000rpm 🤔 but theyre silent

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wait

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not theyre not

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thats my pc being dumb

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alright

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theyre spinning at about 400rpm right now

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37 cpu, 50 gpu

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silent

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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idle temps tell little of what decent airflow is. A good torture test for a while to at least let the air inside the case to soak up the heat is where it is really at

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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whats a good torture test?

flat eagle Feb 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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key word, torture

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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not aboutta torture my own machine

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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also i dont see the point in torture tests, youre never going to realistically hit those temps

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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tbh

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lol

flat eagle Feb 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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this

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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yeah

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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😄

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flat eagle Feb 18, 2020, 11:31 PM

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lots of people build gaming rigs and just play games

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not sit there and stare what their temps are.

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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you want to know worst case scenario
get a 450w with a 3700x and 2080Ti, standard wattage during gaming would be close to 460w which a decent 450w can handle due to good overload perf

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despite max wattage that can be pulled is 565w

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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...

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what?

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lol

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pc gonna go boom

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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decent 450w wont

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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i need a new psu so badly lol

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cx550 really be out here though

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its been through a lot with me

lofty pewter Feb 18, 2020, 11:34 PM

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2012 or 2017 cx?

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:34 PM

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i lied its actually just a cx500 lmao

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:35 PM

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i wonder what it would be if i cranked it up to max performance ThinkingEgg

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:0 look how fast its going

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dang

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 PM

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a fast boi

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 PM

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the fans are hitting 2500 now

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i can def hear it now lol

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when the fans spin almost as fast as the pump

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:D

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hitting 26c on the cpu now

barren basin Feb 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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My CPU is at 28c and my fan is only running at 1080RPM lol

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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2500rpm or bust

barren basin Feb 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I am in Canada if i wanted my system to be cooler i just would open my window lol

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:39 PM

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no

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2500rpm

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or ur pc trash

barren basin Feb 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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and why would i want to make my fan move faster?

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If it is already very cool there is no point

outer violet Feb 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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10000rpm or bust

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:40 PM

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because ecks

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2500rpm

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or bust

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everything else is garbage because i say so.

barren basin Feb 18, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I agree your cooler is garbage LOL

hushed yoke Feb 18, 2020, 11:41 PM

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idk what you read, but im hitting 2500rpm.

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therefore my pc is good.

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because that is the only defining factor.

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now its veeeery quiet.

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surreal magnet Feb 18, 2020, 11:58 PM

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pleb numbers

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my fans hit 3100rpm

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and my pump hits 4000

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damn, tf is my internet doing rn

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oof, my router is hott

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my fans hit 3100rpm

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oof, my router is hott

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oof, my router is hott

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oof, my router is hott

lofty pewter Feb 19, 2020, 12:06 AM

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oof, quadruple post

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oof, quadruple post

flat eagle Feb 19, 2020, 12:06 AM

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lol

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lol

lofty pewter Feb 19, 2020, 12:07 AM

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oof, quadruple post

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with also a double post

flat eagle Feb 19, 2020, 12:08 AM

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lol

lofty pewter Feb 19, 2020, 12:08 AM

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with also a double post

elfin trout Feb 19, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Lol

lofty pewter Feb 19, 2020, 12:08 AM

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with also a double post
or dear, quad post for me too

elfin trout Feb 19, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Lol

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Lol

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Lol

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Lol

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Lol

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 12:30 AM

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@hushed yoke u sure i should go for the corsair

hushed yoke Feb 19, 2020, 12:32 AM

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i like it

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corsair is a good brand

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and that case comes with a lot of fans

barren basin Feb 19, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Imagine if someone swore during all that they would of been kicked out so fast lol

surreal magnet Feb 19, 2020, 12:44 AM

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riiip

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would be fully

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 12:47 AM

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@hushed yoke yeah 4 fans thats good

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But i think that the game max neon is more beautiful

hushed yoke Feb 19, 2020, 12:48 AM

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then get the game max neon

ebon vault Feb 19, 2020, 1:59 AM

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mint terrace Feb 19, 2020, 2:03 AM

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@tender root got it 👍 thanks for the help!

fluid flower Feb 19, 2020, 3:22 AM

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is corsair cx probably the best cheap option?

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i'm trying to save a little

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i know psus aren't the place to save money

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but i'm hoping i can get a recommendation on a psu that's good and reliable but at a more budget friendly price

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Guys the thermaltake v200?

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Is it a good case

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:01 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XQndnQ/thermaltake-v200-tempered-glass-rgb-edition-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-1k8-00m1wn-01

Thermaltake V200 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

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This one?

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Yeah

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Its good, but theres better for similar pricw

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Like??

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Do u hace any example?

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Well how does your whole build look

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Have*

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Because it depends

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Tomahawk max b450

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Bq 600

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R5 3600

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Gtx 1070 ti

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This is my build

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Do you have a pcpp

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Pc part picker?

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Yes

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Yup

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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#building-and-recc-chat

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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?

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Go to that channel

fluid ether Feb 19, 2020, 11:05 AM

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To ask for my case?

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Do you have a build already or are you about to build one

lofty pewter Feb 19, 2020, 11:07 AM

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@fluid flower CX is the cheapest that is good afaik. Pretty solid PSU

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@fluid ether you bought the PSU yet? If not then change it. Same with mobo. Tomahawk is overrated because everyone just looks at the VRMs and forgets about literally everything else that makes a mboo. Tomahawk has good VRMs, but the rest of the board is trash when compared to boards of the same price. $70 board with some good VRMs put on is what it is. Not a decent ~$116 board

naive garden Feb 19, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Cx for corsair?

plucky bough Feb 19, 2020, 1:42 PM

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CX is a Corsair PSU @naive garden

still blade Feb 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Eh, tomahawk max is the best b450 board if you want to keep the platform and go to a 3900x down the road specifically bc of the vrms. Everything else in it seems standard to me. Wheres it deficient @lofty pewter?

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Last I looked there wasn't a worth while x470 or x570 that low in price, even on deal.

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 4:24 PM

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@still blade not rlly, the main selling point is just that its 3rd gen ready

still blade Feb 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Uh

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Ok

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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The aorus pro wifi or asus b450-f are better

still blade Feb 19, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Could you expand upon how

flat eagle Feb 19, 2020, 4:38 PM

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magic.

sharp fox Feb 19, 2020, 4:38 PM

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the magic of asus never lies

candid moth Feb 19, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Wait why is this in #cases-psu-and-cooling not #cpus-mobo-and-memory

sharp fox Feb 19, 2020, 4:52 PM

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magic.

tender root Feb 19, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@mint terrace you are very welcome :)

lofty pewter Feb 19, 2020, 5:47 PM

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@still blade sound chip, M2 slots, amount of PCIe slots, WiFi, ethernet controller, how many of 12v/5v RGB headers, and USB ports; that is where the Tomahawk falls behind with boards of the same price.
Tomahawk is cheap. Also, Tomahawk/a pro are the only cheap boards that support an OCed 3900x yes. But once you spend what will probably be about $400 at the time of upgrade and $45 on cooling, that's a large investment to be worrying over whether you should or shouldn't be running on a super cheap board.

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If you compare actual mobo quality, it's equal to basically a $70 board, but has some decent VRMs on it, as I said before

still blade Feb 19, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Makes sense

subtle grotto Feb 20, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Any suggestions on a good case for this build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9nzpQq had a thermaltake v200 rgb with last one and liked the look just air flow in front looked terrible. Dont want to spend over 100 either tho

System Builder

tender root Feb 20, 2020, 2:06 AM

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budget @subtle grotto ?

subtle grotto Feb 20, 2020, 2:14 AM

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@tender root idk lol was trying to keep it under 1800 1900 and just got a $65 headset and had some tax so just a case under 100 probably

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Could go more but dont feel like case needs to be over 100

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The fractal design ones under 100 nice

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Maybe one with a glass side and possibly rgb fan on front not a biggie lol

tender root Feb 20, 2020, 2:19 AM

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then have a look at corsair stuff @subtle grotto

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there should be some for you there in that range

subtle grotto Feb 20, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Thanks

tender root Feb 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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not that i cannot suggest some, but it is you that has to look at it, so it is just easier for you to have a look yourself and decide what look you are willing to pay for

fluid flower Feb 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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do y'all think a nr600 or p300a is better?

fluid flower Feb 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DmWrxr/evga-bq-600w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0600-k1?ref=ppxe

EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

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this is cheaper than a cx

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and one tier lower on the psu tier list 4.0

tender root Feb 20, 2020, 4:43 AM

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if that is a trade you are willing to make, then that is your choice.

fluid flower Feb 20, 2020, 4:47 AM

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uh apparently it doesnt have otp or whatever and apparently that's kinda essential

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 6:44 AM

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@fluid flower loud, bad load regulation, no OTP, low hold up time, high inrush current, and decently high voltage ripple (close to max allowed spec, which is semi high)

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Also bad 3.3v transient response, but afaik that shouldnt matter as I'm pretty sure 3.3v is suppose to be pretty constant 24/7 more or less

fluid flower Feb 20, 2020, 7:24 AM

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@lofty pewter wow that's a lot of info idk

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thanks, guess i got nothing else but the cx

rich rain Feb 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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thoughts on the EVGA 750GQ? currently looking at replacing my PSU after my Seasonic M12IIs died on me twice.

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 8:48 AM

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@rich rain on mobile so can't look much rn. Iirc GQ is okay, but overpriced. Need to actually look into it tho before I can actually recommend it. As for M12 issues, most likely because it's group regulated. Group regulation causes lots of instability, and I'm fairly sure M12 is group regulated. All on memory tho, which sometimes isn't that good. So ye

rich rain Feb 20, 2020, 8:53 AM

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already mentioned the exact situation I had with the M12II on electronics. but yeah made a bad choice. couple of people recommending the GQ, despite the price

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and at this point I wouldn't mind a bit of a price increase

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Eh, compitition is quite decent in the PSU market. Spending an extra $15 on an overpriced model could end up making you give up on a decently better model

rich rain Feb 20, 2020, 8:58 AM

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it was either the EVGA GQ or the Corsair CX750M

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 8:59 AM

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I wouldn't go 750w. If you're PC needs a 750w PSU, it'll be more then 2.5k (a 550w can handle a stock 3950x and 2080Ti, 650w is like OCed of that, 750w is like some sort of SLI)

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Your PSU price should be proportional to the PC price. So with a 2.5k PC, you should spend more then ~$70 on a PSU

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Oh also, CXM has coil whine. Non M, just CX, is good

rich rain Feb 20, 2020, 9:04 AM

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hmm so basically a 650w should suffice my build?

my setup btw is
Ryzen 5 2600X
Gigabyte B450M-DS3H mobo
Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM
Gigabyte RTX 2060S Gaming OC

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planning to upgrade the cpu at some point, and may get an m.2 as well

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I mean as a 550w can support a stock 3950x and 2080Ti, Or an OCed 3700x and OCed 2080Ti

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But 650w is fine, yeah

rich rain Feb 20, 2020, 9:22 AM

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if that's the case, then I guess I can go a step lower. though isn't it a thing where overtime, the capacity of a PSU degrades?

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or is that just false?

vocal tree Feb 20, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Sounds like a myth

rich rain Feb 20, 2020, 12:33 PM

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i was guessing the same, since I've had the VS650 for well over a year, and it's still doing fine

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(even though i did abuse it to shite before I got a better setup)

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 6:35 PM

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It can. Tho there are a lot of factors to it

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It'd take quite a few years before anything noticeable would happen

plucky creek Feb 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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is the corsair 275r a good case?

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Yeah pretty good airflow

plucky creek Feb 20, 2020, 8:25 PM

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im not sure if i should get that one or the silent base 801

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:15 PM

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will this mother board fit my Mid Tower ATX case? (NZXT H510 Compact ATX Mid-Tower) /////// ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, Dual M.2, 12+2 with Dr. MOS Power Stage, HDMI, DP, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Aura Sync RGB Lighting https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXF8GY3/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_whTtEbE7TRAYE

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:16 PM

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@minor leaf yes

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But has that all been purchased

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I purchased the case but not the MoBo

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I just really like the case

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:17 PM

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🤦‍♂️

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:17 PM

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🙃

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:17 PM

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But... its not a very good case

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What your whole build look like

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(Pcpartpicker?)

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:18 PM

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yeah one sec....

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Let me know if this link works /// https://pcpartpicker.com/user/capnshanks/saved/

Saved Part Lists

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yes one sec

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VKVZXv

System Builder

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Too late for case, @shanks#3382

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@shanks#3382

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Hm

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It doesnt @ u

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:23 PM

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yeah, too late for case. It was one of the first things I purchased. Aesthetically, it's pleasing to me.

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:23 PM

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What else have u bought

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:23 PM

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What are your thoughts?

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I literally just bought all the parts in that list except mobo

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😬

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:24 PM

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GAAAAAAAAAAA

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Ok

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Well I can still save you

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Buy a b450 instead

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Dont worry about bios

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I'll look into it but WiFi is mandatory for me...

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Ok

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No its not

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Buy a wifi card

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Or this:https://pcpartpicker.com/product/43BTwP/gigabyte-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10

Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard

minor leaf Feb 20, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Okay, thanks. I'm kinda wishing I got advice from here in the first place. But I was getting input and recs from two people.

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Two others that have built their PCs....

tender root Feb 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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@minor leaf please know this, IF you are in doubt, ask one of the techies (the people that are yellow like myself) for confirmation. we are happy to help

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just remember, we are located around the globe, so we might not respond instantly :)

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 11:46 PM

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OMG OMG YES
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DQx9TW/bitfenix-whisper-m-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-wg650umag-7fm

BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power...

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ITS BACK

candid moth Feb 20, 2020, 11:47 PM

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@lofty pewter it has been since yesterday

lofty pewter Feb 20, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Hope it stays in stock. Bitfenix Whisper M/Formula Gold were the best bang for buck before the multi month shortage

tender root Feb 21, 2020, 8:10 PM

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@lofty pewter no rush, but want to explain why that PSU has you in need of new pants?

vocal tree Feb 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Naed, you are blue?

tender root Feb 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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would seem so

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dont know why

lofty pewter Feb 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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@tender root tis is a great quality PSU for the price. Bit better then RMx and AMP and has that nice multi rail goodness. Taking a look at the Bitfenix Forumla Gold side (non modular, same as whisper) they have a 750w PSU I can actually recommend at about $96 or so. I use to deem Bitfenix the best in the value in almost highest end perf (can't compete with say the AXi or something tho). To give LTT Tier list perspective, it's an A+ PSU for the price on an A

tender root Feb 21, 2020, 8:21 PM

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fair enough, cheers for the info @lofty pewter

lofty pewter Feb 21, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Yeah. Bit of backstory. They basically died off for many months and I was sad to see them go as they were one of the go to choices for my recommendations.

tender root Feb 21, 2020, 8:22 PM

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aye, understandable

fluid flower Feb 22, 2020, 3:50 AM

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@lofty pewter where's a link that says cxm isn't otp?

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i was saying how cxm doesn't have otp or whatever while cx does and apparently cxm does or smth

lofty pewter Feb 22, 2020, 4:14 AM

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2012 CXM doesn't. 2015 does. Tho 2015 CXM has coil whine so it should generally be avoided despite having all the protections @fluid flower

fluid flower Feb 22, 2020, 4:23 AM

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ah ok

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thank you

scenic lance Feb 22, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Is this a good itx case for watercooling

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https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Crystal-Airflow-Tempered-Glass/dp/B07CJTKDZQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=corsair%2Bcrystal%2Bseries%2B570x&qid=1582185429&sprefix=corsair%2Bcry&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1

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@lofty pewter

surreal magnet Feb 22, 2020, 6:19 AM

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i would say so, its a good lookin case too

plucky bough Feb 22, 2020, 9:07 AM

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It’s a M-ATX case by the way

candid moth Feb 22, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Its pretty, but also pretty overpriced @scenic lance

devout cairn Feb 22, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I want to get a card that is recommended to run with a 650 Watt PSU but I have a 600 Watt PSU with 80+ certification. When I did some rough calculations I got around a total power system usage of 558 Watts with the GPU that I want. Do you think that would be enough leg room to work with the PSU, or do I have to adhere to what the manufacture is saying and a get a 650 Watt rated power supply? By the way, the card is a ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 2070 Super.

tender root Feb 22, 2020, 5:10 PM

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https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14586/110947.png

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@devout cairn that is a worst case scenario for a 2070 super

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and that is with one of the highest wattage consumer cpus on market (i9-9900k@5ghz)

devout cairn Feb 22, 2020, 5:31 PM

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wow

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thats great because I run a 2700x currently

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my guess is that I could buy it, correct?

tender root Feb 22, 2020, 5:44 PM

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yes, it should work

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check your connectors

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the pci-e power ones

fluid flower Feb 22, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@lofty pewter what do you think of the evga bd 500? it’s on the same tier as a cx but i was just wondering since it’s cheaper and not bad

lofty pewter Feb 23, 2020, 4:09 AM

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@fluid flower you mean GD, not BD I assume? Anyways, GD has lots of models and standard US one isnt that good

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Have to do a lot of comparing part # to find a good GD, also probably outsource from uncommon sellers

fluid flower Feb 23, 2020, 4:14 AM

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https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-GD-0500-V1

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so this one's probably not as good a cx i suppose?

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@lofty pewter yea i meant gd sorry

lofty pewter Feb 23, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Yeah it's V1, 2019/18 or smth. No real reviews however it's missing a protection and has a sleeve bearing fan (cheapest bearing, lowest lifespan and doesnt make a good impression)

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The good one afaik is 2017 and maybe V7 (could be the same model tbh, idk all the model numbers for it)

candid moth Feb 23, 2020, 3:44 PM

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📎 JPEG_20200223_154238.jpg

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I have a weird loop in a front panel connector

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Nope

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It was the headset

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Switched and it works

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🤷‍♂️

hushed yoke Feb 25, 2020, 2:07 AM

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id go for a 850w 80+ gold

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he would be horribly wrong

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lol

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@scenic lance

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150 is nowhere near enough to power all that

lofty pewter Feb 25, 2020, 8:44 AM

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@scenic lance unless OC then 550w. With a good 550w PSU you can run a 3950x and a 2080Ti stock realistically. 145w (CPU) + 375w (GPU) + 70w (rest of system) = 590w. Any decent 550w PSU can run at 590w no problem as most of the decent ones can support at least up to 10% overload (550 * 10% = 600w). Tho if you want to go nicely high then 650w. Bitfenix Whisper M 650w is what I'd recommend if you're a US civilian. If not then availability changes for what the best PSU to buy is at a price point

still blade Feb 25, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Wut

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Do not question which you are not meant to understand, puny mortal

Jk

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 5:19 PM

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We are all mortals

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Except me

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KermitVader

surreal magnet Feb 25, 2020, 5:20 PM

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🥚

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 8:25 PM

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TD500 or H500 or MC500? all coolermaster

drifting sonnet Feb 25, 2020, 9:51 PM

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are you unsure based on room or aesthetics

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Room doesn't matter too much, aesthetics matter slightly

drifting sonnet Feb 25, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I say TD500

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:55 PM

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and if it had to be between MC500 and H500?

drifting sonnet Feb 25, 2020, 9:55 PM

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H500

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:55 PM

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alright

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Still thinking if I want to be moving my PC around

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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MINECRAFT 500??

drifting sonnet Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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no

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Darn

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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like

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to school

drifting sonnet Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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The TD and the H are quite similar tbh, but i don't like the MC

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Move ur pc to school?

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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it'll be like one trip a month or less

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Why move it to school?

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:56 PM

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boarding school

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Ohh

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I see

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That is where a laptop is nice

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:57 PM

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yea but

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Expensive

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:57 PM

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you think I can just grab like 2000$ out of my rear end?

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Lmao

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Is it a boarding school in Russia?!?

elfin trout Feb 25, 2020, 9:58 PM

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no

sharp fox Feb 25, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Darn it

smoky sluice Feb 26, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Hi, anyone has a link to a good covered review (either written or in video) of the corsair CORSAIR_RGB 500D RGB ?
Is on "sale" today at a local store in my city (GDL, Mexico) at ~ $230 USD after taxes, which is a little more of what I was expecting to spend in my next case (~180), it looks good but I want to be sure is worth it

candid moth Feb 26, 2020, 5:13 PM

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@smoky sluice https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DaPFa7LW8I3Y&ved=2ahUKEwjJ7KG12-_nAhV7URUIHahnCwYQwqsBMAF6BAgCEAc&usg=AOvVaw1JpciPAglizmrIIRTJD4hI

smoky sluice Feb 26, 2020, 5:32 PM

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thanks

nimble shell Feb 27, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Hi

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Anybody on?

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I am planning for R7 3700x, 2070 super, 16 GB corsair vengeance rgb, Tuf x570 and 860 Evo. Is 650 watts psu enough for me or should I go for 750 watts? I am not doing Sli. Might do slight overclocking in future though.

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Suggestions please

lofty pewter Feb 27, 2020, 10:31 AM

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550w is fine, 650w is more then enough

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As a note for stock, you can run a 3950x and 2080Ti on a 550w. So an adequately OCed 3700x and 2070S wont be a whole lot

misty crest Feb 27, 2020, 11:48 AM

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550w would be pushing it imo. Id go 750 min.

candid moth Feb 27, 2020, 11:59 AM

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@misty crest no its not

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Read heis post

sharp fox Feb 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

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Well if you get a good 550w it shouldn’t be a problem

candid moth Feb 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Exactly

nimble shell Feb 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Thank you gentlemen

lofty pewter Feb 27, 2020, 7:39 PM

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@misty crest A good PSU can supply upto 10% overload (110% total power) very easily, maintaining their already good voltage regulation/ripple, transient response, and noise. So a good 550w PSU can supply upto a sustained 600w easily with a peak of a bit higher. A 3950x stock takes 145w peak, 2080Ti stock is 375w peak, and rest of system is 70w sustained/peak. That is a total of 590w peak, not even sustained. It'd be more like 560w sustained in a hard workload (and lower in gaming). So even the peak power consumption of the PC would stay below the true max sustained power consumption of a good 550w.

vague hatch Feb 28, 2020, 3:33 AM

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So, I recently got an advertisement for this EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GA. Now, I know nothing of power supplies, even less of evga power supplies, so at its current price (on the evga website its supposed to be $110, but with rebates I can get it for $60) is it worth buying?
Heres the link: https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-550-ga-220-ga-0550-x1-550w/p/1HU-00J7-004V3

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Before anyone asks, no, i did not but that corsair cx550. Plans fell through

elfin trout Feb 28, 2020, 3:40 AM

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It's kinda wierd, but I can't find many sources on that PSU, all I found is this review
https://www.vortez.net/news_story/evga_intros_supernova_ga_series_gold_rated_psus.html

Vortez

EVGA Intros SuperNOVA GA Series Gold-Rated PSUs

EVGA introduces the new SuperNOVA GA Series featuring 80 PLUS Gold certification, 100% Japanese capacitors, a durable 135mm double-ball bearing fan, and a fully modular design.

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seems good from that review, but maybe someone else has more information

candid moth Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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@fickle hawk I saw your reddit post, a LOT of upvotes lol

light wyvern Feb 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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📎 image0.png

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Good case or should I go for a atx one

smoky sluice Feb 28, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Well, I made my decision and they had an extra promotion today so that was 213 after taxes for the 500D SE

📎 IMG_20200228_164315.jpg

candid moth Feb 28, 2020, 11:08 PM

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@smoky sluice with fans?

surreal magnet Feb 28, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Beeg case

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Like this yosh

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bigyoshi

smoky sluice Feb 29, 2020, 4:49 AM

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@candid moth yes, just finished changing everything

fluid flower Feb 29, 2020, 6:17 AM

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hi guys

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so i’m about to order my psu

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but i think 450w is a bit little

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if i upgrade in the future

elfin trout Feb 29, 2020, 6:17 AM

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What's your build

fluid flower Feb 29, 2020, 6:17 AM

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2600x+1660super

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was thinking bitfenix formula gold for $60

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450w

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how long should a psu be used for?

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3 years?

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cause if i upgrade i’m sure 450w probably won’t be enough

elfin trout Feb 29, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Well tdp tends to stay the same or similar

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Maybe a 550w

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That has you covered for anything

fluid flower Feb 29, 2020, 6:19 AM

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but shouldn’t 450w be enough for the time being

elfin trout Feb 29, 2020, 6:23 AM

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I thought you were implying that you want to upgrade to better in the future?

fluid flower Feb 29, 2020, 6:30 AM

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cause like

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nvm

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psu comes with 5 year warranty so i’m using it for 5 years

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guess i’m getting the 550w

limpid knoll Feb 29, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Guys

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Is It ok to stick ARGB with RGB?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gfn8TW/cooler-master-masterbox-td500-mesh-white-w-controller-atx-mid-tower-case-mcb-d500d-wgnn-s01

Cooler Master MasterBox TD500 Mesh White w/ Controller ATX Mid Towe...

candid moth Feb 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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?

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Do you mean it has argb and rgb? @limpid knoll

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if so, its fine

limpid knoll Feb 29, 2020, 1:55 PM

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This is my case. Idk if I should stick to stock config. And buy a Corsair 120mm RGB fan for exhaust or have 2×120mm intake and a 120mm for exhaust

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@candid moth

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It says argb stock fans so idk if I'll be able to plug in RGB fans

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4P448d/corsair-ll120-rgb-63-cfm-120-mm-fan-co-9050091-ww

Corsair LL120 RGB 63 CFM 120 mm Fan

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This fan for exhaust

candid moth Feb 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Dont get corsair fans they overpriced

sharp fox Feb 29, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Noctua ftw

elfin trout Feb 29, 2020, 2:58 PM

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^

candid moth Feb 29, 2020, 3:01 PM

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^

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Wait, is lower cfm better?

lofty pewter Feb 29, 2020, 7:57 PM

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@fluid flower don't remember the connectors on the 450w formula gold, but that is something to keep in mind. I know CX for example you only have one 6+2 pin on 450w but two on 550w+. Only one connector is quite limiting

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But formula gold is a great choice quality wise tho

fluid flower Feb 29, 2020, 7:57 PM

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ok, great

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thank you

vocal talon Feb 29, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@candid moth iirc cfm is cubic feet a minute, so for most use cases higher is better

lofty pewter Feb 29, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Also CFM is measured differently by different manufacturers

vocal talon Feb 29, 2020, 8:09 PM

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for case fans

lofty pewter Feb 29, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Just like TDP

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So it's useless to compare from manufacturer to manufacturer

indigo relic Mar 1, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Bruh imagine trying to ping everyone

vocal talon Mar 1, 2020, 2:10 AM

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its fine, but you're overspending on the ram+cpu cooler for looks

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and just drop the 860 evo for another sabrent rocket its faster for less

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for example https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vcMwDx

System Builder

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Well, you're spending a lot of money on looks. Can get a 2080Ti, that or upgrade CPU to 3950x
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RY8jvW

vocal talon Mar 1, 2020, 3:53 AM

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yuh

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tried to keep the parts and just make it cheaper for same performance

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 3:58 AM

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@lofty pewter Ventus cooler is utter garbage, that ram sucks, as do the case and SSD

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I mean, neither of those PCs are particularily appealing

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as similar performance can be had for MUCh cheaper

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:04 AM

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@winged geyser
"RAM sucks" - lol, 3600 CL16 sucks? What world you in
"SSD sucks" - Hmm, SSD has a good controller, NAND type, DRAM cache, and average firmware. AKA a normal NVMe
"case sucks" - not really, provides okay airflow and has a glass side panel. Also note that looks is subjective, so good for you
"GPU cooler sucks" - Find me a GPU that isnt overpriced and is white/silver. glhf

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:05 AM

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3600 C16 is CJR, and that kit has bad primaries, you can probably get soem B die for that price.
Case should nto be considered for a PC of this caliber IMO, unless you add fans to run in negaitve pressire

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SSD uses SM2262

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and has some decent cache

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Would like to see 32gb b die for $160

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:07 AM

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No, not fot 160. you can get it for 200ish but a 2x2k pc can afford that

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:07 AM

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So, now that you suddenly say it's more expensive that that Im keeping things to a budget, are you going to complain more?

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:07 AM

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anyways, SM2262 can also be found on the EX920, which is from a better brand which has better support, while having a longer warranty

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:07 AM

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"better brand"

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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yes

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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You havent looked into HP customer support I guess

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I have

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I have had to deal with it for a client

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lol

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:08 AM

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On average, they arent good

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It seems to be quite known when looking around at HP

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I mean I have the EX920 myself, it's good

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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yeah, on their prebuit stuff

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I dont know what to be true with their SSDs

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their laptop and PC support is utter trash

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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No, lot of reviews on the EX920 even complaining about customer support

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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hmm

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strange

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anyways, theres also the ex950 which uses SM2258EN, which would be better but it costs a tad bit more

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that board is good, I'll say that outright, but you could also consider the Aorus elite

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Eh, afaik there is like only $40 to spare until budget is reached

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:10 AM

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back to the ram, I havent been following prices lately but im sure there is Rev E or other CJR with better primaries and subs for similar price

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Case I would personally try and fir a P400A white, or if white isnt a must-have a P300A mesh

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Whisper M is great, no complaints there

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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cheapest 32gb RAM kit is $125, so idk

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Mugen 5 is also good, but honestly PBO doesnt benefit from temps if you know hwo to configer clocks and scalars properly

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yeah, but that 125 is liekly MFR or DJR

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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not much room for getting quality stuff on the cheap side

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I dont see why the 3900x is there

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this seems like a gaming build

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and theres almost no performance uplift from a 3800x or even a 3600.3700x if you know how to configure them properly

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:13 AM

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The user didnt specify what the build was, just gave a build and asked if it was good

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I seen a lot of money spent on looks, so I moved it over a bit

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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I mean, lemme make a list. Mine will liekly be performance oriented but alas

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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but the user seemed to go for a silver/white build

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Yeah, but im just gonna make a banging 2.1k build

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:14 AM

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thus the "poor" GPU choice

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:15 AM

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you put it in quotes but Ventus 2080ti model has VRM cooling issues

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and just overall thermal issues due to insufiicient size and bad mountin pressure

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:15 AM

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no no. I meant that it was poor in quality, but in the situation there really isnt anything beter

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unless FE is better, but that is like $80 more I think

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Fe is better

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Should also note that if you can find b die for cheap, you'd best have it stock 3600 speeds with timings already set correctly. Dont think this user is tech savy

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:17 AM

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turns out EX950 2tb is only 30$ more

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definitely worth it

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best B die I have found is the Team Dark pros

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mega cheap, best heatsink on the market, great bins and all round a pleasure to use

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and stock XMP prodile is decent

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could use soem tuning but alas

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you know what

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im idtching the 2.1k build

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that pricepoint has some really stupid PCs

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:19 AM

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lol, going for cheaper or more expensive?

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:19 AM

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cheaper

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something high end

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but not a waste

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Tho, you are still assuming it's just a gaming build

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which it may not be

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Imma make 3

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all round, gaming and compute oriented

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All round 1800
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mpkjvW
Gaming 1300
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sRx2jp
Compute 2200
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VBRzp8

System Builder

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there

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I'm bored of high end gaming machines, I build them for customers and then they pair them with a 240hz TN panel

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and I just want to die

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:25 AM

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why tomahawk max?
bad sound chip, ethernet controller, slightly less USB ports, only one M2 slot, and no WiFi for boards at the same price

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:25 AM

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wym same price

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same price as what

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Say b450 TUF Pro or Aorus Pro WiFi

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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32mb bios chip

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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They still support the CPUs afaik

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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better VRM solution and better choke cooling

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it supports it

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but with a watered down Bios

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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but again, better VRM for the cost of everything I said above

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It's a $70 board with decent VRMs

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:27 AM

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I'd take the VRMs honestly, wifi doesnt matter for most gamers

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I agree, it is a 70$ board

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its just a lot of people hate when I puit cheaper boards

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like the Gaming pLus

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or A pro

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which have same VRMs (albeit worse cooling)

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:27 AM

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M2 slot and sound chip I'd take. If you're getting an 3900x/3950x, Prime P is only $30 more

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:27 AM

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but "look worse"

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fair point with the prime P

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WV8jvW

System Builder

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List amended

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A pro max used to be 80$

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was a spam buy

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its up to 100 now so I rarely recommend it

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Also note for SSD, Lexar NS200

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

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slower Dram

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but same controller

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I know

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

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You seem to have a nicer source of info that what I use
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

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but since this is a gamer oriented system the plan was to basically have it set up StoreMI so it could theoreteically have near-ssd gaming performance while having higher capacity

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Curios as to what it is, unless you like looking at reviews

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I just have it all in my brain from random reviews

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its taken a few months to amass it all

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but its all locked up in my head

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that is a nice source though

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I will bookmark it

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Also 650w Formula Gold is like $6 more then 650w CX
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8RFf7/bitfenix-formula-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp-fm650ulag-7r

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$4.7 if you use newegg

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

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that looks like the old Formula gold but ok

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

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is MLC two layer?

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

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3

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2-3

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depends

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who

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TLC is 3

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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970 Pro

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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MLC is 2

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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ok

minor portalBOT Mar 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Arshia#9092 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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but samsung is dumb

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so they ahve "3 bit MLC"

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but uhh

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their pro line is 2 bit MLC

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either way

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bad drives

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most cerainly not worth it

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

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what's a good drive?

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

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How much is the 970 pro?

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

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$220 CAD

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$180 USD

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

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for how much?

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512gb?

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or 1tb

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

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512

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

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that's an oof

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

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you can get 1tb for 120ish cad

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so uhhhhhh

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unless you NEED the read write endurance of MLC

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

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damn

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

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its not worth

ornate jay Mar 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

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what brand

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

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MLC is moreso for workstations and editing rigs

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brand doesnt matter as much as controller does

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lemme see the canadian market

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im in vancouver BTW

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/hTzkcf/team-l5-lite-3d-1tb-25-solid-state-drive-t253td001t3c101

Team L5 LITE 3D 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DgJtt6/western-digital-blue-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0b

Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4Qw7YJ/crucial-mx500-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct1000mx500ssd4

Crucial MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive

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@ornate jay these are all amazing choices

formal crystal Mar 1, 2020, 9:02 PM

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is corsiar spec 02 worth it

lofty pewter Mar 1, 2020, 9:30 PM

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It's a case made from Corsair back when they werent horrible at making cases

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It's worth probably like ~$45

winged geyser Mar 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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heres the thing with corsair cases

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they almost all suck

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they almost all have bad cable management room

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they are almost all pretty cheap in quality

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almost if not every single one is dub-par in terms of airflow

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they dont have an specifically appealing features

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so no

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the only market where corsair products are decent is PSUs

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their fans are overpriced, their ram bin system is stupid at best and often leads to low quality products

vague hatch Mar 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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So what is a good case?