Same. Old ballistix better than current course-hair
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
cerulean wadi
cerulean wadi
I'll miss seeing the old blue of Kingston, but stix-balli good. As Henry ford said, you can have any ram you like, as long as it's crucial.
dull flint
Venge-memes
vast meadow
I'll miss seeing the old blue of Kingston, but stix-balli good. As Henry ford sa...
You could just go silicon power this time 
latent osprey
if i can get a msi pro z690 for 195cad should I buy it
atx
budget is 200cad
gg for a 12600k btw
burnt spear
if i can get a msi pro z690 for 195cad should I buy it
ddr4?
if so, yeah that's a good price
vapid hemlock
Do you think there is a need for 64gb of RAM over say the next 5 years for a PC that games, does Excel work, and has lots of chrome tabs open all of the time? I'm normally doing something on 3 screens at a time.
vernal cosmos
Do you think there is a need for 64gb of RAM over say the next 5 years for a PC ...
32 plenty
16 enough depending on game
vapid hemlock
thank you
burnt spear
Do you think there is a need for 64gb of RAM over say the next 5 years for a PC ...
sounds like 16 would be more than enough for you, assuming by a lot you mean less than 50
can't hurt to grab a 32gb kit though, theres some for $105 rn
vapid hemlock
I was thinking something crazier like: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374223?Item=N82E16820374223
burnt spear
I was thinking something crazier like: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-p...
are you planning to overclock
if not, thats pointless for you to buy
either that or the silicon power kit
vast meadow
if i can get a msi pro z690 for 195cad should I buy it
Yes
vapid hemlock
I was trying for an out of the box kit with tight timing. I'm running a 10900KF on a MSI Z490 Unify.
burnt spear
I was trying for an out of the box kit with tight timing. I'm running a 10900KF ...
3600c14 isn't worth it if you're not ocing
vapid hemlock
I may OC it in the future when the PC starts to show it's age.
vernal cosmos
what cpu?
burnt spear
I may OC it in the future when the PC starts to show it's age.
Spending an extra $150 on ram won't solve that for you
You'd be better off getting a 4000c18 kit and bringing it down to 4000c16, or 3600c16 to 4000c16
Wait
@vapid hemlock do you already have the cpu and mobo
vapid hemlock
10900KF on a MSI Z490 Unify
burnt spear
...do you already have them
vapid hemlock
I'm typing to you on the PC. I built it when the 10900KF came out.
burnt spear
Ok
vapid hemlock
I'm getting ready for a new case and figured new RAM would be a benefit too.
burnt spear
I'd get either of the above kits that I linked then
burnt spear
Then why change it
vapid hemlock
400 MTs!
burnt spear
There won't be a huge real world perf difference
vapid hemlock
I recently changed a 2060S to a 3080TI.
burnt spear
You'll see maybe 5% difference from 3200c16 to 3600c16
And you're gpu limited anyways, assuming you're playing 1440p or 4k
vapid hemlock
So it's only like a 5 FPS gain or so?
burnt spear
Percent
vapid hemlock
So 5 FPS if I get 100 now. I think I'm around 120 in Cyberpunk.
burnt spear
If you want to waste the money go ahead
But I promise it will not be a noticeable difference
cerulean wadi
Less than 5% probably I'd say, for normal gpu bound games
vapid hemlock
So same my money for the next system?
hollow thorn
Might as well, ddr5 in the next few years should outpace ddr4 anyways
cerulean wadi
Eventually a decent kit of 6000c40 or w/e will be $150ish/32GB
vapid hemlock
What about cases? Mine cools fine (P500A) but the HAF 700 EVO is the 1st HAF case to actually be worthy of the name since the HAF X.
hollow thorn
You won't see any real difference, heck, I'd say it might even be worse for thermals
vapid hemlock
I figured if I got a nice case that I'd keep it from build to build. I did that with my HAF 932 but gave it to a friend when I bought the P500A. Should I just wait to see what's out in 5 years?
hollow thorn
It's just not giving you anything over p500a right now
vapid hemlock
Probably just more room to work in and looks.
hollow thorn
Yes, but considering you are using the same system and won't be changing things, there's no reason to swap cases for that imo
And besides, who knows what the future holds in terms of innovation for PCs
vapid hemlock
thank you
naive pendant
And besides, who knows what the future holds in terms of innovation for PCs
molex becomes the new standard for every power connector
naive pendant
what the major downside of using a gen 4 gpu on a gen 3 mobo
vast meadow
there isnt
grizzled bloom
there isnt
Unless it's a 6500XT
vast meadow
Unless it's a 6500XT
well thats a 6500xt problem not a gen 4 problem
grizzled bloom
It's an artificial problem anyway
grizzled bloom
At least they have more than 4 lanes
vast meadow
updated mem list btw ^
naive pendant
oloy 
vast meadow
oloy <:chad:855848823163322388>
Was wrong with oloy 
naive pendant
sharp falcon
Have a question. I'm looking at memory to upgrade my computer, I want to get 2x16 GB but when looking at my motherboard manual I keep finding memory that's so close to exact model but instead of F4-3200C14D-32GTZ they add an R on the end. Am I right to believe it's just a cosmetic difference (like color or having RBG in this specific case)?
sharp falcon
Yea I don't want to spend more than like $150 on ram. I already got 2x8 but with bigger games comes the need for more ram.
I found that model for about that much so I think it's what I'm going to get
mild jackal
What cpu/board? I wouldn't bother using the qvl
3200c14 should run on anything, you'll likely want to run a higher clock though
sharp falcon
Asus Prime B550 prime
That or B560 prime I don't remember which...
It's 560 just checked
mild jackal
big difference haha
sharp falcon
Yea lol
My board can handle 3600 but it's also a lot more expensive.
Especially when getting 2x16
Rn mine is Ballistix 3600 but only 2x8
Plus im fairly certain it's running my ram at a lower speed than it should
And the cpu is 10th Gen i5
I'm going to upgrade my cpu but wanted to get ram first bc it seems cheaper
frosty latch
My GPU is at 100% utilization idiling does anyone know what's going on?
burnt spear
Plus im fairly certain it's running my ram at a lower speed than it should
That would be because you haven't turned xmp on
sharp falcon
That would be because you haven't turned xmp on
I need to go to BIOS to turn that on I'm guessing?
sharp falcon
My GPU is at 100% utilization idiling does anyone know what's going on?
You probably need to update your graphics drivers. What GPU do you have?
sharp falcon
I need to go to BIOS to turn that on I'm guessing?
Nvm. I figured it out lol. Google is a blessing
grizzled bloom
Good. And often you get better performance too, because it boosts higher at lower temps.
frosty latch
@sharp falcon I have a radeon rx 550
grizzled bloom
Might want to do a virus scan, you might have picked up a mining virus.
If that's clean, run DDU and reinstall drivers. There's a guide in the pins #graphics-cards
sharp falcon
^^
frosty latch
So it was because I was mining
cerulean wadi
Mining on an rx 550 
frosty latch
@cerulean wadi lol yup
@grizzled bloom I tried both of those but they haven't fixed anything but I noticed something strange when I open task manager my gpu goes back to 0% then when I close it the gpu goes back to 100%
grizzled bloom
Task manager is bad at GPUs, see what hwinfo says about usage
frosty latch
Ok
frosty latch
Task manager is bad at GPUs, see what hwinfo says about usage
i dont really know what to check for on hwinfo
cerulean wadi
what?
Yea gotta chat more and soon enough your name will be green at "lvl 3". Here this might be easier for ya for now, get gpu-z https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-gpu-z/
Then sensors tab
regal obsidian
I wanted to update the situation about the computer I was working on last week lol
So turns out it was the BIOS update on that X470 board that was giving me issues. It was the F2 update, which was the first one ever for the Gigabyte Aorus, and just updating it to F4 fixed the issue and made it compatible with the R5 1600 lmao
Nothing showed up on Google for it, so figure I'd make it aware to everyone else
Also a quick question too, how's the compatability with the z590 boards with a 10900k? Figure I'd ask since it's a gen newer, and I've admittedly haven't worked on an Intel system before
cerulean wadi
What makes you ask? yes most z590 mobos will support 10900K w/ the stock bios, although 1st thing I do is update mobo bios if there is one. On the flipside, z490 supports 11gen but probably would need a bios update just for example.
regal obsidian
I'm mostly asking just incase there's some kind of underlying compatibility issue like the one I just dealt with lol
Plus I feel like the z590 would be better since iirc it's also compatible with 12th gen, and that'd hive the friend I'm building for a decent upgrade path
Ah I was mistaken. Still, it does have some desirable features lol
cerulean wadi
Z590 does 10-11gen
vast meadow
Plus I feel like the z590 would be better since iirc it's also compatible with 1...
Only the 600 series chipsets are compatible with 12th gen
regal obsidian
Only the 600 series chipsets are compatible with 12th gen
I know, I acknowledged it a message after XD
It's not that big of a deal anyways, the friend got a really good deal on the 10900k, and it's still a pretty strong hitter performance wise
cerulean wadi
Just no pcie4 ssd is all, still a great 10core cpu.
regal obsidian
Exactly. He spent $280 on it, and its retail price is still $360
So quite a bargain lol
dim cloak
12600K is under $280 most of the time and new gen but idk what it's performance is to the 10900K
grizzled bloom
12600k matches/beats it in gaming. I can't really recommend 10th gen or even 11th any more with how much better 12th is, and competitive pricing.
dim cloak
And also the benefits to obtaining gen 4 SSD speeds and get to keep motherboard till 13th gen
grizzled bloom
There's still nothing using Direct Storage, so gen 4 is still largely useless for gamers
For "future proofing" it would be nice, maybe
vast meadow
If the 10900k was like 200 sure but that's too much for a 10900k with 12600k being 280 yeah
grizzled bloom
Better yet 12600k is $252 on Amazon rn
I don't think I've ever seen Intel discount their CPUs so quickly
vast meadow
Ohhh nice
I mean now that amd cut their prices i guess they felt the need to as well
grizzled bloom
Intel is dominating low/mid range right now, but fighting for that top spot on the charts has been tough
dim cloak
And with the release of the new R7 5800X3D
Intel wants to compete at a price to performance level for sure
grizzled bloom
Yeah that's been the newest wildcard on the charts. Games we thought were GPU bottlenecked turned out to be CACHE bottlenecked.
vast meadow
And the fact you can put a 12600k on a 140$ board is also v nice, sure you loose cpu oc but mem oc is definitely a way larger advantage to gamers
dim cloak
More cache on Sapphire rapids cpus perhaps?
vast meadow
grizzled bloom
We'll see. They might take a stab at their own version of infinity fabric too.
vast meadow
I really hope the bring out 13100k or something
Assuming i3s will still be 4 p cores at least wack on some e cores
grizzled bloom
Oh god I just realized, remember how infinity fabric logarithmically increased power draw...
grizzled bloom
Put that on Intel for 🔥
cerulean wadi
13500 is something like 4p+4e, 13100 might be 4p+0e
grizzled bloom
That'll be... interesting. With that core configuration 13500 will have the same thread count as 12400 but 4 of them would be e-cores.
dim cloak
would the plate from a different aio like and nzxt mainly the bracket would a lf2 mount with those friend stripped the screws trying to remove
rocky beacon
Most likely not unless its just the backplate that is meant to be universal
dim cloak
come to find out we had to order a special back plate for the lf2 to be mounted so we are putting the kraken 120mm back on till tuesday
vast meadow
would the plate from a different aio like and nzxt mainly the bracket would a lf...
Contact arctic they can probably send/sell one for cheap
dim cloak
We have one on the way
vast meadow
Cool beans
naive pendant
imposter alder lake cpu
pseudo pine
Could anyone give me an idea of what I might be able to sell my build for, I was thinking around 650
PC Build
CASE: CORSAIR - iCUE 220T RGB Airflow ATX Mid-Tower Smart Case
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 3600 3rd Generation 6-Core - 12-Thread - 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 Unlocked Desktop Processor
Motherboard: ASUS - TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) (Socket AM4) USB-C Gen2 AMD Motherboard with LED Lighting
GPU: EVGA - SUPER SC ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4GB GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0
RAM: 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200 Mhz CL16, Just bought 3 weeks ago
Power Supply: EVGA - W1 Series 600W ATX 12V/EPS 12V 80 Plus Power Supply
Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 250GB PCIe Gen 3 NVMe Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology
Storage: Pny 500GB SSD
And 1 extra rgb Fan for the exhaust
burnt spear
Could anyone give me an idea of what I might be able to sell my build for, I was...
could get up to 850 honestly. that mobo and ram are expensive, nice ssd for boot, decent case, just depends on the buyer really
if youre listing on ebay or smthn id put starting at 650 and go from there
oh wait
thats a 1650s not 1660s
pseudo pine
Yeah it's a 1650 super
burnt spear
aight well ill do a price breakdown ig
case: 50
cpu:125
mobo: 90(guessing)
gpu: 175-200
ram: 120
psu: no clue
ssds: 50
pseudo pine
I was thinking about Facebook Marketplace
Thanks for that I did a price breakdown also I just wanted other opinions for now I am just seeing if it's better to part out or just sell as a whole.
hard leaf
sell it as a whole, is better
hard leaf
that mobo is pretty expensive, easy 100-130 there as used
shy wyvern
Tempted to pick this up tbh
naive pendant
yea you could just go x79 instead
frigid sail
Good evening! I recently installed new case fans and applied new thermal paste but after that, I wasn’t able to run my memory at 4400mhz anymore. When I turned it on, I received no post and the only way I got it to post was through a CMOS reset. Before all of this happened, I was running it on D.O.C.P (XMP) with default timings (18-24-24-48). The highest clock speed I can get it to right now is 3200mhz on auto timings. Anyone have any solutions?
vernal cosmos
Good evening! I recently installed new case fans and applied new thermal paste b...
ryzen cpu?
vast meadow
Mmm probs between 250 and 300 usd/eur whatever that converts to where you are
frigid sail
ryzen cpu?
Yes it’s a 5600x. I was running it perfectly fine on 4400mhz before I took out the parts
vast meadow
Very surprising, don't want it to be running that high anyway because fclk won't be synced 1:1
You'll want to run that at 3733 or 3800mhz
frigid sail
Yea, Flck was at 1800
So realistically 3600 would be the best option
I’m stuck at 3200 cl24 atm
vast meadow
Nah 3733 or 3800 should be doable
vernal cosmos
Yes it’s a 5600x. I was running it perfectly fine on 4400mhz before I took out t...
Makes sense as pato said run it around 3800
frigid sail
Yea but the problem right now is that I can’t go past 3200mhz
vast meadow
You'll need to mess around with some voltages probs
frigid sail
3266 doesn’t work even with higher voltages
vast meadow
Try 1.1v soc voltage(vsoc)
vast meadow
Take a pic of the timings/voltages things you tried
naive pendant
Heyo, got a weird issue that I've had for a while now.
Sometimes at random, my PC beeps 5 times before booting up. When it does this, the boot up is delayed, however the PC boots up no problems.
It's completely random - sometimes it'll do it 5 boots in a row and then stop doing it for months on end to randomly do it again one boot and go back to not doing it for weeks.
Bios code indicates CPU failure, but the CPU is running completely fine without any issues whatsoever.
Motherboard is a Gigabyte B250M-DS3H with an i5-6600k. 16GB DDR4 RAM.
No issues with RAM, no known issues with CPU or motherboard, but the manual states it's a CPU error. And it's genuinely completely random as to when it decides to do it, and it boots up regardless of the error.
Any help would be awesome! Even if it's just a reason as to why it's doing this.
I've already Googled this and I've been told it's a RAM OC thing because of 2400mhz RAM... But my RAM isn't that fast.
naive pendant
Got my ram 
main pulsar
naive pendant
🤯
dawn dirge
would a ryzen 5 5500 need a bios update to support it on a b550 that came out before the r5 5500 but has support for ryzen 5th gen
burnt spear
would a ryzen 5 5500 need a bios update to support it on a b550 that came out be...
What cpu did you have before the 5500
And have you bought the new cpu uet
And do you already have the b550
dawn dirge
What cpu did you have before the 5500
3300x (my brother broke a pin off the cpu [long story short] so i am trying to get a 5500 cuz i have a microcenter near and i can buy it for good price on newegg)
dawn dirge
And do you already have the b550
yes
burnt spear
3300x (my brother broke a pin off the cpu [long story short] so i am trying to g...
id try to look for either a 3600 used or a 5600
5500 isnt good for the price at all
its barely better than a 3600 and tends to cost more
basically a 5000 series branded 3600
dawn dirge
then why does newegg sell the 5500 for 159.99 usd and the 3600 for 209 usd
burnt spear
then why does newegg sell the 5500 for 159.99 usd and the 3600 for 209 usd
because 3600 is no longer in production
dawn dirge
ohhh i forgot lol
cerulean wadi
Price doesn't = performance. 
dawn dirge
well i thought that 5500 was better cuz userbenchmark shows that the 5500 is 9% better for like 50 bucks less so idk
rocky beacon
Never use userbenchmark
Any data from that website can automatically be assumed false
dawn dirge
oh
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hybrid leaf
what would be better to pair with a 3070ti a 12600k or 5700x
cursive epoch
12600k is a better choice
5700x is slower in gaming
and even most workloads, but the most impact is in gaming
hybrid leaf
ok ty
frigid sail
Take a pic of the timings/voltages things you tried
Sorry was a bit busy today. Ended up not being able to get into bios since I had to do some work on my pc. Ill just type out the settings. When D.O.C.P (XMP) is enabled,
DRAM: 1.5V
FLCK: 1800
SOC: 1.1V
Timings: 18,24,24,44
Also, I set my cpu to 1.15v and 4.4ghz with PBO off.
grizzled bloom
Depending on what memory die you have 1.5v could cause more problems than it solves
frigid sail
ig thats tru, I've used it for a while tho
grizzled bloom
Do you know what die you have at least?
hollow thorn
If it's 3600c18, my first guess is cjr, which doesn't play nicely with >1.45v
frigid sail
it’s 4400cl18
hollow thorn
What exactly is the xmp profile?
And can you take a picture of the sticks?
Sticker if possible
grizzled bloom
Ok, so then it's a ryzen computer, which doesn't play nice with memory speeds above 3800
frigid sail
DOCP Profile 4405mhz 18,24,24,44
hollow thorn
What voltage
frigid sail
i can’t take out the sticks rn since i’m using them
i mean i was running them at 1.5v
until yesterday
grizzled bloom
Thaiphoon burner would be good enough to guess memory die
frigid sail
i’ll find the memory die later, still currently doing some work
hollow thorn
Basically, there's a chance you've been putting too much voltage through the die, and degredation might be your problem
I don't think there's a b die 4400 18-24-24-44 xmp
frigid sail
it happened after i went to change my case fans
hollow thorn
If it's djr, it's okay, if it's cjr, more than it likes
grizzled bloom
Rev E is probably ok too
hollow thorn
Anyways knowing the die is useful in general, so please do that when you could
Seems a bit loose for rev e
grizzled bloom
Yeah the DDR4 spec only says it needs to not die immediately at 1.45v, anything higher can cause long term issues.
hollow thorn
The Reve ballistix is 4400 19-19-19-46 it seems
frigid sail
it’s 4096 gb c die/ 2 dies
hollow thorn
Prob not Samsung c die, but if it's cjr, you'll want to lower voltage
frigid sail
it’s xmp certified to 2203 mhz 18-24-24-44-68/ 1.5v
hollow thorn
Wait
If xmp is 1.5v it might be djr then, sticker would tell though
Thaiphoon can only guess
hollow thorn
Gskill doesn't usually tell you, but you can figure out die through the 042 code on the sticker on the ram
frigid sail
unfortunately i cant pull the sticks out atm
hollow thorn
Yes, but for when you can
Anyways, resource:
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md
grizzled bloom
If you could just stick your phone close enough inside to get a pic, then you don't need to pull it out
frigid sail
i can’t because my aio is blocking the sticker
hollow thorn
You can just leave it for later, you'll basically be following the OCing process as listed in the guide anyways, it might take a bit, but anyways.
frigid sail
but i don’t understand why i’m stuck on 3200cl24
i can’t go anything higher than 3266
grizzled bloom
You mentioned you reseated the CPU cooler to repaste right?
grizzled bloom
Maybe it's overtightened and pressing on the IMC too much
frigid sail
did not*
i released some pressure as well
bro mobile auto correct
cooler really isn’t tight atm
so basically, i did take out one stick of ram because i had to get my hands in pretty deep
i don’t think that should’ve caused any issues tho
grizzled bloom
Sticks are in slots 2 and 4 counting from closest to the cpu right?
frigid sail
i would also like to add on that when it doesn’t post, there are no error lights and i cannot turn off my pc with the power button
hollow thorn
Guess I'll list some random possible reasons
Manual fclk not playing nicely with 1:1 or 1:1.5 or 1:2 or whatever ratio it's set to
Too little or too much voltage
Need more or less soc voltage
One of the auto secondary timings is auto set to something really weird for some reason
One of the auto tert timings is auto set to something really weird for some reason
Bad CPU contact
Bad ram contact
Not enough time for memory training
Some random bios option is randomly set to something it shouldn't be
Xmp is on while conflicting with whatever you set manually
frigid sail
i’m running itx so i only have 2 dimm slots
hollow thorn
When in doubt, clear cmos again with battery method
frigid sail
i’ve cleared cmos atleast 50 times yesterday alone
because that was the only option to post
i also don’t have a battery or a button sadge
hollow thorn
Prob something is being auto set something wack
grizzled bloom
You definitely have a battery
hollow thorn
Uh, you sure you don't have a battery?
grizzled bloom
It just might be hidden
frigid sail
not the ones that can be taken out
hollow thorn
Last time we thought there were no battery it was hidden under io shield
At which point, it would be too annoying to take out but still, it exists
frigid sail
i’ve been using screw driver method since idk where my jumper cap went
hollow thorn
i also don’t have a battery or a button sadge
Do note, you can wire it up to case reset button and use that to clear cmos if you want to do that and get a button
Just something you can do, screwdriver works fine too
And also, what about temps?
hollow thorn
Smol chance memory doesn't have enough airflow over it
frigid sail
i mean it’s been running completely fine on 4400mhz till yesterday when i took one stick out
grizzled bloom
Then it was "completely fine" hanging by a thread
hollow thorn
I assume you've reseated it countless times, but perhaps you could try cleaning the contacts
Lots of possibilities, just gotta go for the somewhat likely options and try things one at a time
I leave for now, might want to get bleach here for messing with various bios options for ram to get things rolling
grizzled bloom
Did you have that link to the memory, I can't seem to find one that matches
grizzled bloom
Unless they're the gskill royals?
grizzled bloom
The sticker would have a code that isn't in the part number
But the part number is a start
frigid sail
this is the part number
F4-4400C18-8GTZRC
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/166/1614837700/F4-4400C18D-16GTZRC this is basically identical
grizzled bloom
Ok I can barely find any info on these and what I do find conflicts
Like one source is saying AFR but there's no possible way it's that
The best way to settle it is with the 042/043 code off the sticker
Grab that pic when you can, no hurry
frigid sail
wait is it the 0x42?
frigid sail
like the address
grizzled bloom
No there's a code on the sticker that starts with 042 or 043
frigid sail
idk if u talking about this: 0x42F380000
grizzled bloom
The last 5 digits will decode to tell us what the memory die and pcb are
frigid sail
ye ima prob have to wait until tmr maybe
frigid sail
this is the sticker
vast meadow
That is hynix DJR
frigid sail
So it’s not good I’m guessing
vast meadow
You can tune it, i haven't touched hynix ram tho so not sure how it behaves
frigid sail
I mean at this point I think it’s a mobo problem, not a memory issue
I don’t have another board that can go up to 4400mhz
grizzled bloom
Ok, DJR is a little weird and doesn't like ryzen much.
Since you're on ryzen your best performance will be at 3800, assuming your CPU cooperates.
4400 means you're running desynced from the fclk, so you get a latency penalty.
You should be able to do 3800 16-19-19-36 at 1.45v. It behaves like other Hynix dies but may need looser primaries.
If you get WHEA errors at 3800 you can try to stabilize it with voltage tuning or drop it to 3600 and try 14-18-18-34.
frigid sail
the problem with going above 3200mhz is that i receive no error lights on my mobo and it doesn’t post. Usually when timings are off or unstable, the mobo has an orange DRAM light
the power button no longer works either when i try to turn the pc off
burnt spear
id run that file that repairs errors possible caused by unstable ram, I'm not sure where we have it saved though
i wouldnt have bought 4400mhz ram for and amd cpu though, is it still within the return period?
frigid sail
no it’s been almost a year
vast meadow
Ram can run for ages unstable without you knowing if you don't stress test and look for it
frigid sail
i have a feeling it’s the memory controller like you said
i would have to buy a new motherboard just to test it out
burnt spear
Does anyone near you that you know have a pc
frigid sail
yes, but none of them have a board that supports up to 4000+
i only have one friend who does, but won’t be back until 2 weeks
i was planning to wait until he comes back to try to fix this issue
burnt spear
If any of your friends have 3600mhz ram, you could try their ram in your pc instead
frigid sail
yea he has a 3600 cl18 kit
I forgot to mention that my mobo is rog strix b550i
finding errors is basically horrible since it doesn’t have q codes
burnt spear
I forgot to mention that my mobo is rog strix b550i
I'd ask if he'd be fine with you pulling it to test in yours
frigid sail
yea i already asked him, but he won’t be available until 2 weeks
vast meadow
finding errors is basically horrible since it doesn’t have q codes
Run test mem 5, extreme anta profile
frigid sail
do you know how long it takes to run testmem5?
i don’t want to take too much time like memtest86
amber pelican
My pc doesn’t detect the usd drive with windows
frigid sail
had time to go in my bios today : here are the settings when docp is enabled
soc is 1.1v set by me
vast meadow
do you know how long it takes to run testmem5?
Depends on how much ram you have and the speed, 16gb should take around 90-120 mins double that for 32gb
vast meadow
My pc doesn’t detect the usd drive with windows
At all? It doesn't show up in the boot menu in bios?
amber pelican
At all? It doesn't show up in the boot menu in bios?
I’m so happy rn
vast meadow
Nice you got it
frigid sail
never used this software before, am i doing this correctly?
apparently it finished in 5 mins
oh wait i was running the wrong config
vast meadow
never used this software before, am i doing this correctly?
Load config and exit - extreme anta77
Then close and repopen
frigid sail
yea currently still runnin it
amber pelican
Can I leave this off until like 4 days from now
Or should I disconnect some cables
vast meadow
That's fine
amber pelican
Btw I don’t have access to my steam account anymore my main one cuz I deleted the email
Now I have to wait 10 years for steam support
frigid sail
apparently there were no errors
vast meadow
with your ram at what timings? you can use zentimings to check
amber pelican
Ummm quick question
I forgot wtf
Oh Yhe won’t the system pick up dust left 4 or 5 days aloutside
Without a case
vast meadow
A bit but it's fine
amber pelican
Ok ok so I won’t disconnect gpu
Even tho Iwil need to when the case comes but if u say it’s fine then it’s fine
Tysm
I cleaned my pc disconnected the gpu the fan to clean out it back together and now it’s super slow any idea why
vernal cosmos
I cleaned my pc disconnected the gpu the fan to clean out it back together and n...
Ur gpus fan ?
amber pelican
Well I connected it back
It’s all in
It detects everything
I used to get 170 fps this morning
Now I have like 30
Something is wrong
frigid sail
with your ram at what timings? you can use zentimings to check
i can only get it to post on 3200mhz cl24 so thats what im working with
burnt spear
If the timings are effected that sounds to me like either the ram or how much power the ram is able to be delivered
But I dont know as much as a lot of others here do about ram like pato
frigid sail
when i try to tighten the timings of 3200, i would get the orange DRAM light and no post which is normal
but anything higher than 3200, there are no error lights and power button doesnt work
hollow thorn
@frigid sail tried checking if lowered voltage helps? Like let's say trying 3200 16-18-18-38 to start off at 1.4v
frigid sail
ive tried 3600 on auto timings with 1.4v before
wait i read taht wrong
i actually did try 3200 16-18-18-38 with 1.45v
orange DRAM lit up
which is normal
hollow thorn
What about at 1.4v
frigid sail
i dont think ive tried 1.4v on 3200 yet
hollow thorn
and could you try taking off a case fan temporarily, taking the side panel off, and having the fan directly blow on the ram? Just for temporary testing
(in case ram getting too hot, higher voltage on djr can get quite hot)
frigid sail
when i was running memtest86, the memory was 35c
hollow thorn
Dunno, can't hurt to try rn
frigid sail
i mean i cant take apart things rn atm, i have an important test to take tmr so i rather have my pc working until i finish the test
thats why ive been holding off with 3200 cl24 until im not busy
vast meadow
i mean im glad it still works at 3200
If it didn't work at 3200c24 you'd have some serious issues lol
frigid sail
wow so after tinkering around in the bios, i ended up getting 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 to work on 1.35v
i set soc voltage back to auto and it seems to be working in this setting
i also took my custom cables, so idk if that made a difference
gilded pebble
yo so my mobo is like really messed up making my pc not want to start sometimes or I have to leave it on for 30 minutes before it works. Also cpu light is consistently on even though I checked the cpu and even renewed my warranty to get a new one. Anyways, my mobo is MSI z490 gaming edge wifi and I was looking for a good RELIABLE replacement. CPU is core I7-10700k, also I need it to have wifi capabilities and bluetooth. Thanks for any help, just @ me if you find something
cerulean wadi
i set soc voltage back to auto and it seems to be working in this setting
Heck ya! Pretty much normal timings for 1600MHz.
cerulean wadi
yo so my mobo is like really messed up making my pc not want to start sometimes ...
Checking HWS, ebay & wherever isn't a bad idea. I also suggest thinking about selling the cpu for maybe $200ish to possibly go 12gen. Just an idea.
gilded pebble
ok thx
cerulean wadi
Yea it's just tough when we're on z690 so z490 hasn't been actually produced for a while. Although keep in kind a z590 mobo would work for ya, so that gives more mobos to look up.
dim cloak
Don't even need a Z690 when b660 allows oc as well
cerulean wadi
Just mem oc afaik.
dim cloak
I thought some will allow CPU oc as well but with some limits
cerulean wadi
Possible, but of course that's only after the 10700K might be sold. I'm just unsure of eventual sell price with deals from MC or somewhere being common enough
hollow thorn
now to test 3600c16
burnt spear
Don't even need a Z690 when b660 allows oc as well
Not from what I know
I think you're talking about how some people oced non k chips on z690s
dim cloak
Oh probably
grizzled bloom
I thought some will allow CPU oc as well but with some limits
Only by using the base clock, which affects everything in the system
frigid sail
now to test 3600c16
unfortunately, anything past 3200 doesn't work
im happy that 3200 cl16 is working atm
hollow thorn
prob will just take some tinkering
vast meadow
I thought some will allow CPU oc as well but with some limits
If it's a b660 with external clock gen you can bclk oc but not normal oc
grizzled bloom
You can bclk oc without the clock gen but it won't be as effective
vernal cosmos
Don't even need a Z690 when b660 allows oc as well
im aware of a single b660 board that can do this decently comparably
vast meadow
You can bclk oc without the clock gen but it won't be as effective
Yeah but it's like 103 or 104 instead of 140
vernal cosmos
yeh
cerulean wadi
yep 102.99 pretty much I've heard, at least on 1 or 2 specific reviews
vast meadow
But bclk is a pain because you needa downclock ram etc
vernal cosmos
It do be
kind hearth
But bclk is a pain because you needa downclock ram etc
not really
is new BCLK overclocking the same as it was
vernal cosmos
is new BCLK overclocking the same as it *was*
on most boards yes
cursive epoch
bclk still ties everything together on majority of boards
cursive epoch
nope
cursive epoch
dem expensive models
kind hearth
z690 a pro
does it have a external clock gen?
kind hearth
It supports overclocking
but if i want to use a 12400f or something
thats why i would do bclk
vernal cosmos
rather get a cheaper board and a 12600k then
idk spending 220 or so dollars on a mobo so u can oc ur 180$ cpu doesnt make much sense
vast meadow
dem expensive models
Also ddr5 only
vast meadow
not really
Yes really, e.g. at base 3200mhz is fine but then if you do 110 bclk then you have to change the ram 2880 in bios etc
kind hearth
eh i guess
naive pendant
idk spending 220 or so dollars on a mobo so u can oc ur 180$ cpu doesnt make muc...
But overclocking 
grizzled bloom
Unless you're looking to do benchmarking there's not a lot of reason to do a non K on a Z board
cerulean wadi
12100 or 12400 w/ 400bclk like the old days would be wild. 
grizzled bloom
Sheee imagine how many multipliers you'd have to drop to pull that off these days
cerulean wadi
You wouldn't. My bad I mean 120-130. I was recalling when 400fsb was good VS 333 fsb. 🤣 (or 450-500 VS when 400fsb was common). I realize how long ago that was
mild jackal
I somehow still have the bclk record for 10900k/z490 https://hwbot.org/submission/4890147_forks_reference_frequency_rog_maximus_xii_apex_539.9_mhz
dawn dirge
would a ryzen 5 4600g work in a b550 without a bios update
cursive epoch
yes, in most cases
but why would you want a 4600g? unless it's cheaper than 5600g, i don't see the point of going that route
dawn dirge
my b550 doesnt have support for 5600g cuz not right bios
and i have a dead 3300x
i got my b550 before 5600g but after ryzen 5000 launch
cursive epoch
if it has flashback, you can flash it with updated bios without needing a cpu
dawn dirge
yeah its the cpu im looking at cuz im on a very samll budget and i dont wanna bottleneck my gtx 1070
cursive epoch
can you tell me which mobo you have? just wanna check if it really has flashback or nah
dawn dirge
ok
burnt spear
yeah its the cpu im looking at cuz im on a very samll budget and i dont wanna bo...
Go 3600 then
dawn dirge
im pretty sure its an asus prime b550m-a micro atx
burnt spear
Or another 3300x
cursive epoch
3300x is rare af
dawn dirge
Go 3600 then
id have to like stalk ebay lol
burnt spear
If you're not using the igpu no point for 4600g
burnt spear
id have to like stalk ebay lol
Marketplace and r/hardwareswap
cursive epoch
oh the prime
dawn dirge
3300x is rare af
i got the last one in stock at a microcenter far away lol
dawn dirge
Marketplace and r/hardwareswap
i dont think anyone would want a dead 3300x
burnt spear
i dont think anyone would want a dead 3300x
Saying for you to buy one from there...
4600g overpriced if you're not using igpu when the 3600 is $150 used consistently
And if you're lucky cheaper (imo shouldn't cost more than 130, but market for used ryzen chips weird)
Could also look for a cheap 3100 to bios flash and then resell it
dawn dirge
Saying for you to buy one from there...
oh lol mb my brain went into idiot mode when i saw the "r/hardwareswap"
grizzled bloom
Common misconception, you can swap hardware for cash lol
vast meadow
i got the last one in stock at a microcenter far away lol
Micro center/best buy might flash the board for you
sour estuary
I was laughing it could fit a flat heat spreader that would fit but it's ddr3
2x16gb budget nothing crazy not high end stuff maybe minecraft and little bit more
grizzled bloom
Probably ripjaws, they're fairly low profile
vast meadow
@sour estuary https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7
grizzled bloom
Or those. They're barely taller than the pcb.
vast meadow
Also nice n cheap
grizzled bloom
I've seen people try to force it in and break the slot 🤦♂️
sour estuary
I seen a person put ram in backwards 
there was a funny smell after
I should my cousin son who I gave this pretty much new pc at this point so he can basiccly build them now
I went from giving him my old pc to basiccly built him new pc with few older parts 🤣
frosty depot
I went from giving him my old pc to basiccly built him new pc with few older par...
Here have this brand new used pc
sour estuary
I was going to give them my first gen sabertooth motherboard & bulldozer
But then I decided to buy myself the ryzen 9 and gave him the ryzen 7. I was goingvto buy him the ryzen 5 but the 9 sale look attempting for $200 more 🥲
Also got him the b550m pro-vdh wifi
So no wifi card needed and can use vga, display, or hdmi.
Then no extra cables for the rgb conversion with sata power to power the rgb lights.
@frosty depot it's honestly way more simple build
vernal cosmos
I seen a person put ram in backwards <:kekw:741678350791081994> there was a funn...
literally impossible
naive pendant
Why did Samsung have to discontinue b-die
It was expensive before
Now it's not even feasible
naive pendant
Just sucks
B-die is gone, crucial ballistix is gone
Ddr4 is well and truly dead
cursive epoch
Eh nah, just no good stuff for ocing
There's still value stuff around for most cases
But yeah, it's coming to an end for sure
naive pendant
It's even hard to find 3200mhz 16 18 18 36 now
Sometimes you can find 3200mhz 16 18 18 38
Mostly everything is super loose, like 16 20 20 40
Best 2x16 kit I can find that's under $200 is 3600mhz 16 19 19 39
Which is like, revision c if I'm not mistaken.
Or maybe cjr
Almost definitely hynix or micron ICs though
I don't want to pay $180 dollars for rev c
Complain complain complain
I feel like I should buy it before it disappears off the face of the earth
burnt spear
It's even hard to find 3200mhz 16 18 18 36 now
Sometimes you can find 3200mhz 16...
Silicon power 3200c16 16gb is $55, and 32gb is $105
vast meadow
Just sucks
B-die is gone, crucial ballistix is gone
Ddr4 is well and truly dead
There's still plenty of sticks of b die
vast meadow
It's even hard to find 3200mhz 16 18 18 36 now
Sometimes you can find 3200mhz 16...
It's not only stupid corsair rgb kits are 16 20 20 40 rest are 18 18 38/sometimes 36 for 3200 anyway
vast meadow
It's even hard to find 3200mhz 16 18 18 36 now
Sometimes you can find 3200mhz 16...
You can't tell what die the sticks have until you see the stickers 042 code, you can buy 2 of the same kit and have it be 2 different dies, they don't disclose on the website
You can get 2x16gb b die for under 200$
Check the pins
quartz zinc
I found a z690 tuf and an msi z690 a pro, priced exactly the same at $180. I wanna get the tuf cuz it looks like a good deal at $100 off the original msrp but some people told me to still get the z690 a pro instead. Im using a 12700k and im planning to overclock
vast meadow
I found a z690 tuf and an msi z690 a pro, priced exactly the same at $180. I wan...
Z690 a pro is a better board yes
latent osprey
is a msi b550 mpg gaming plus with a 5600 good
its what im thinking to get for my upgrade at a budget
i can get em together for around 500cad tax and shipping included
vast meadow
i can get em together for around 500cad tax and shipping included
Do this instead, idk if that includes tax but even if it doesn't I bet it's cheaper
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bmsjj2
latent osprey
im pairing it with a 1080ti and was told the 5600 was my best bet for budget to performance ratio
vast meadow
im pairing it with a 1080ti and was told the 5600 was my best bet for budget to ...
Nah 12400 is
low glen
i managed to mangle one of the soldering joints on the back of my PC motherboard, is that something to worry about?
i was trying to get a stuck mobo standoff off with a pair of long nose pliers
vast meadow
is there a difference 12400 and 12400f
12400 has an integrated gpu, f doesn't
vast meadow
Can't really tell from the pic but probably
latent osprey
12400 has an integrated gpu, f doesn't
k thx i found it same price on newegg
low glen
it still works as normal, i was just wondering if it will fail at some point
vast meadow
You might be lucky and it be okay
Could see if you could get a repair from manufacturer if you're worried, they could probably give rough coat but if it's working should be fine
low glen
alright im just worrying about a potential fire hazard
but the joint seems to be intact its just messed up
vast meadow
If you're worried 2 parts are gonna touch or something, put some electrical tape to separate them
burnt spear
is there a difference 12400 and 12400f
12400 has an igpu
zenith fog
pc did this twice while streaming then failed to post when booted it up agiain any ideas what to do
pc been in use for around 2 years daily use but not super tough usage and occasional gaming
zenith fog
team t-force 16gb i think 3600 mhz
burnt spear
what cpu?
zenith fog
ryzen 5 3600
burnt spear
is it the same kit?
zenith fog
?
burnt spear
or is it two 8gb sticks from two different kits
zenith fog
same kit
burnt spear
alr
zenith fog
lol
zenith fog
yes
burnt spear
type sfc/scannow
zenith fog
says i must be an administrator
zenith fog
ok
burnt spear
on the right side it should say "run as admininstrator"
pretend i spelled that right
click on that
then click allow
burnt spear
alr let that run now
burnt spear
keep an eye on it to see if it says "error found" or smthn along those lines
itll auto fix them
zenith fog
ok
burnt spear
but if it doesnt find any errors than that isnt the issue
zenith fog
why is that?
burnt spear
bc it didnt find any issues
zenith fog
oh
burnt spear
so it didnt fix anything that was causing the issue
zenith fog
wait yeah nvm
burnt spear
its basically scanning the drive for errors
zenith fog
i read the msg wrong
might be
windows is on an ssd but i have a pretty old hdd that stores stuff idk if that is causing troubles
burnt spear
oh, gonna have to run a second one on the hdd
@stiff kraken whats the command to run an sfc/scannow on secondary drive?
is it just sfc/scannow D?
zenith fog
is this an issue or is this alright
burnt spear
its fine
zenith fog
kk
burnt spear
whats the proper one to scan the whole drive
stiff kraken
chkdsk?
zenith fog
in cdm?
burnt spear
yea
main pulsar
it means it didnt find any issues
zenith fog
thansk
vernal cosmos
type sfc/scannow
coulda asked to run my batch file in #windows-ios and press 1 twice
upper aspen
Ryzen vs intel for gaming anyone got any guides
burnt spear
Ryzen vs intel for gaming anyone got any guides
Currently 12th gen is better price/perf
upper aspen
Currently 12th gen is better price/perf
I’m thinking 12700k/kf
burnt spear
I’m thinking 12700k/kf
12700f :p
burnt spear
Why
upper aspen
More FPS
burnt spear
Also why upgrade from a 10700f? Are you doing anything other than gaming?
upper aspen
Plus it’s fun
burnt spear
Ocing doesn't affect fps that much
upper aspen
Well I play risk of rain 2 which is very cpu heavy so I’m hoping it would help
burnt spear
It's really only used for benchmarking
If you want to oc, ig 12700k and msi z690-a pro
But id recc 12700f and b660-a
cursive epoch
it's not that much extra fps lol
you're better off ocing ram
which is possible with b660 and h570
vast meadow
H670 for 12th gen*
scenic solar
what does "FB DIMMS" mean? in particular i want to know what FB means
scenic solar
🤨 mhhhh
grizzled bloom
Is that a "I was hoping for something more abbreviated and easy to understand" mhhhh?
With the goal being maximum reliability for things like servers, they use a serial connection instead of the usual parallel found on regular DDR DIMMs.
scenic solar
understood
bleak wyvern
Could I get a 5950x and it be fine on my b550 aorus elite?
Or do I have to get another motherboard that could actually run it
mild jackal
FBDIMMs use a buffer chip mainly to let you run more memory. Similar to how LRDIMMs work
That was just how they did it in ddr2 days
vast meadow
Could I get a 5950x and it be fine on my b550 aorus elite?
You'd be fine but depending on your task you might want to look into the 5800x3d instead
bleak wyvern
i wanted a processor that could run 2x32 gb ddr4 4000 ram
vast meadow
i wanted a processor that could run 2x32 gb ddr4 4000 ram
4000mhz ram is iffy on ryzen, some cpus can but most max out at 3800mhz
Synced that is* all ryzen 5000 can all do 4000 unsynced but that's a huge performance downgrade
bleak wyvern
ok so i can run 3800 fine with a 5800x3d?
vast meadow
ok so i can run 3800 fine with a 5800x3d?
You should it's a silicon lottery thing although you might get unlucky with it only doing 3600/3666/3733/3800 but that will be the same with all ryzen 5000
bleak wyvern
i also am trying to run a 3090 could the 3d do that or should i get 5900x
vast meadow
5800x3d is the best gaming cpu for ryzen so far
So if you're just gaming it's your best bet
Also 64gb of ram will actively hurt performance because timings need to be looser/, frequency needs to be lower, if you're gaming just go 2x16
bleak wyvern
thanks
fleet hemlock
i come with a question
burnt spear
!ask
devout mothBOT
burnt spear
whats up
fleet hemlock
soooo im wanting a build with a 12600k
burnt spear
alr
well before we continue, whats your total budget and what parts have you bought already?
and what are you using the pc for?
fleet hemlock
I already have case and plan on purchasing an rx 6600. Preferably mATX
budget arouuuund 1400
burnt spear
i would not pair a 12600k with a 6600
fleet hemlock
why not ?
fleet hemlock
well i like the idea of having 10 cores cause i wanna run lots of background stuff
grizzled bloom
For gaming it's better to get a stronger GPU instead of a higher tier CPU
burnt spear
doesnt matter, 12400 will still be overkill for any gpu youll have in a $1400 budget
fleet hemlock
hrrrr
im very content on the 12600k i just wanna know what MOBO would be ideal for it paired with 32 gb ram
grizzled bloom
Would you rather have a bunch of cores sitting idle just in case you wanted to use them, or 15% more fps?
burnt spear
im very content on the 12600k i just wanna know what MOBO would be ideal for it ...
i would highly recommend against that
fleet hemlock
what do you mean precisely by overkill
burnt spear
youll be gpu limited in most games that performance matters
12400 is equivelant to a 5600x, which is enough for even a 3090 at 1440p
no point in pairing a 12600k with any gpu lower than a 3060 ti for gaming
grizzled bloom
A 12100F won't bottleneck a 3090 ti in most games at higher than 1080p
fleet hemlock
i should probably mention my use case
lots of applications running like OBS, discord, chrome tabs, spotify, and my games (i play mostly older games tho)
burnt spear
burnt spear
np
please dont get a worse gpu tho, instead of downgrading cpu
cpu overkill for 3060 ti
3060 ti underkill for 12600k
fleet hemlock
i just feel like ill use the 10 cores of the 12600k
grizzled bloom
It's not just 10 cores though
fleet hemlock
and id rather have headroom incase a better gpu comes out and i want one
grizzled bloom
It's 16 threads
fleet hemlock
It's not just 10 cores though
6p and 4 e
burnt spear
ive streamed with obs, with discord open, chrome, steam, task manager, and cold war open
and was gpu limited
fleet hemlock
which game ¿
burnt spear
cold war
grizzled bloom
6p and 4 e
And those P cores are hyperthreaded, counting for double
fleet hemlock
And those P cores are hyperthreaded, counting for double
yesyes
burnt spear
cold war
the thing is
nvenc on nvidia gpus helps with recording/streaming
meaning streaming isnt intense on the cpu
unless you cpu encode, which would be stupid
grizzled bloom
CPU encoding is slower and lower quality than nvenc yes
burnt spear
and it doesnt decrease performance in game, using nvenc
since theyre dedicated streaming cores
fleet hemlock
now the nvidia vs amd debate starts i just found that the 6700 xt is comparable to the 3060 ti for less sometimes
burnt spear
now the nvidia vs amd debate starts i just found that the 6700 xt is comparable ...
for streaming, 3060 ti all the way
nvenc helps a ton
fleet hemlock
oh i just wanna record
burnt spear
same difference
fleet hemlock
save funny clips with my friends
burnt spear
it accomplishes the same thing
fleet hemlock
oh im mistaken then
burnt spear
nvenc helps with recording
grizzled bloom
That's more than most people are willing to admit, good on you
fleet hemlock
it’s okay to be wrong
just gotta accept when you are
im looking at the 6600 and it honestly looks like itll suffice for the games i play
burnt spear
then go for a 3060
fleet hemlock
why 3060 ?
fleet hemlock
mmmmm
grizzled bloom
3060 beats the 6600 also
burnt spear
are you playing at 1440p?
grizzled bloom
Less important but yes
fleet hemlock
i am playing 720p rn but a monitor upgrade is in budget
grizzled bloom
A 3060 can do a lot of games at 1440p medium
fleet hemlock
how noticable is the difference between 1080p and 1440p
burnt spear
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pny-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-8gb-xlr8-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-gaming-graphics-card-with-dual-fan-black/6502682.p?skuId=6502682 this is in stock rn
$550
fleet hemlock
hmmmmm
grizzled bloom
how noticable is the difference between 1080p and 1440p
Roughly 2.5x the number of pixels, much higher pixel density on the same size monitor
fleet hemlock
well the difference between a 1400 dollar pc and a 1500 dollar pc too
burnt spear
not much in this case
fleet hemlock
yeah cause
fleet hemlock
yeah cause
if 100 dollars breaks the bank at that budget i shouldn’t even be spending that much
burnt spear
personally, id do 12400 and that 3060 ti over 12600k and 3060
fleet hemlock
thatd get you a 3070 ti, which isnt that much better than 3060 ti
i dont wanna hundred dollar myself to a 2000 dollar pc xd
burnt spear
i dont wanna hundred dollar myself to a 2000 dollar pc xd
yeah, $1400 is a fair budget
fleet hemlock
i want something i can upgrade and tinker with
burnt spear
if downgrading to 12400 you could also get a $20 cheaper heatsink
fleet hemlock
gpu is less of a pain to upgrade i guess
burnt spear
12400 vs 12600k paired with a 3090 will show maybe a 5% difference,
fleet hemlock
wouldnt it be smoother tho ?
burnt spear
you wont notice a difference with 12400 3060 ti and 12600k vs 12400
hell even 12100 wouldnt be that far behind
with 4 cores
i gotta go now, i have to shower and go to sleep
fleet hemlock
take care sweet dreams
burnt spear
fal knows stuff better than i do, so trust him
grizzled bloom
well it has those handy extra cores
12400 still has 12 threads, games use maybe 4 leaving you 8 strong threads for background
@fleet hemlock My recommendation at $1400 max budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4F7vjZ
fleet hemlock
is it wise to pay so much more msrp with new gpus coming later this year ?
grizzled bloom
They're still at least 6 months away
And you can easily find a 3060 ti for less than $550, I just left a little room in the budget just in case.
fleet hemlock
i seeee
these parts i like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XqTPFg
the 6600 is just placeholder
it’s what i could fit in the budget but if i land a few side gigs in addition to work i should be able to afford a 3060 ti
grizzled bloom
Oh was the case not factored into the budget?
fleet hemlock
i already own it
bought it on sale
ive built in it before its nice just
not the best
it’s kind of form over function
grizzled bloom
I see
fleet hemlock
im excited thank you
grizzled bloom
Also, you don't need the 850W power supply unless you plan to upgrade to 3080 or higher later
fleet hemlock
just need to roll in some more cheddar and ill finally be able to play elden ring
fleet hemlock
Also, you don't need the 850W power supply unless you plan to upgrade to 3080 or...
i would rather have lots of headroom
gpus will only get hungrier
grizzled bloom
Yeah but that's mostly for the high end stuff. 4070 will still run fine on a 750W.
fleet hemlock
thats great cause
a 12600k would be great for that
maybe ill get the 6600 in anticipation for the 40 series, if it ends up being in stock, and if i can grab one ill give my brother the 6600 or build him a pc with one
grizzled bloom
That's not a bad idea
Another thing, you don't need a gen 4 SSD for gaming
You can save an easy $100 going gen 3 and it'll work the same speed for games
fleet hemlock
oh i just saw it was like 20 bucks less for gen 3 so i was like “might aswell”
(2 tb P5 PLUS gen 4 vs 2tb 970 EVO PLUS gen3)
grizzled bloom
This is a great game drive https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101
fleet hemlock
storage is where im ultra picky and actually somewhat knowledgable
does that drive have dram/slc cache?
and also tlc?
okay wait no thats dramless
grizzled bloom
It's dramless with HMB but that doesn't mean it's bad
fleet hemlock
i mean
without that cache the drives are a lot slower
ive heard
much better than my hard drive but
grizzled bloom
Only when you're doing large write operations
fleet hemlock
Only when you're doing large write operations
i’ll probably be doing that
grizzled bloom
You'll be writing 50gb files frequently?
fleet hemlock
oh not frequently but
id rather it be swift when i do
plus the more expensive one was like
it claimed longer life
grizzled bloom
SSD life is all marketing
The SSD will outlive the rest of the PC and last at least 3 builds
Unless something happens to short the controller or otherwise damage it
frosty depot
This is kind of confusing me with the Core Distance to TjMAX reading. The Current/Average make sense to me, but the Minimum/Maximum values look like they are swapped?
cursive epoch
seems normal to me
core temp and package temp is different
it's normal
cause the package means the entire thing
frosty depot
hm
cursive epoch
oh wait, the avg and max distance to tjmax really is wonky
frosty depot
I just don't get how the min says it's 16c away from being at tjmax though.
main pulsar
those are averages, you can drop down the specific core distances
at its minimum, the core was 16c away from reaching tjmax
currently the average core temp is 22C, which is 78C away from reaching tjmax
frosty depot
ok so trying to wrap my head around this bear with me.
the minimum reading for tjmax doesn't correlate with minimum reading for the cpu core temps?
because to me if my core says it's 20c then shhouldn't it say that I'm actually 80c away from max?
frosty depot
it says core distance to max, so the way it's reading to me is that
frosty depot
ok but that's not what the min is reading though
frosty depot
it's saying my min core is at 14c and that it's 20c away from max
main pulsar
no
minimum and maximum do not take into account what is being measured
it is simply the largest reading
and the smallest reading
regardless of what the value actually means
cursive epoch
^
frosty depot
ok so basically it's swapped with the way I'm looking at it?
frosty depot
so since my max core temp says 80c.. my min tjmax says 20c?
main pulsar
but yeah, i can see how its confusing
main pulsar
so since my max core temp says 80c.. my min tjmax says 20c?
if tjmax is 100c, then yes
scenic solar
So I have a hp client motherboard, it's not working, I want to "bake" it with a heat gun, I know I shouldn't get it over 120°C but for how long do I have to keep the temperature?
Do I have to make some intervals?
main pulsar
solder doesnt melt until like 230C or something like that
90-120C may be the operating temperature range for most components, that doesnt mean you cant get it to like 300C without damaging the components
just dont wanna melt the plastic board
scenic solar
https://youtu.be/-LSsLsm_JAo
8/9 minute
vast meadow
He's an idiot - respectively
grizzled bloom
But it worked
Sure but the toxic chemicals and gases make it so you shouldn't use that oven for food ever again
Also it usually buys you a few months tops before it dies again
scenic solar
I used a heat gun, not an oven
I know that you can't use the oven after you baked a component
scenic solar
Also it usually buys you a few months tops before it dies again
Yeah, I know
grizzled bloom
Good. Someone else looking at this convo might not know, though
scenic solar
I now got a second hp client (identical) and still has the same problem, maybe it's not damaged parts
I'll contact hp for support
Bruh
Can't even send a direct message to ho support
Only calls
I'll describe the problem here so if somebody can help...
HP thin client t630 (I have 2 of them)
(Not new)
Problem: doesn't turn on
Power adapter → dell 130w 19.5v 6.6A (enough for the hp)
Compared to the same product saw in videos:
Orange led blinks as soon as the power cord is connected - which my hp does correctly
White led (on power button) when the client is connected - my hp doesn't show any white led
What I tried:
-Changing CMOS battery
-Removing it from the power adapter, pressing button for 30sec and reconnecting
-Clicking the button a thousand times
-Connecting/disconnecting kb, mouse and monitor (VGA)
It is also missing the WiFi card (which should not be a problem)
@grizzled bloom know what could it be?
grizzled bloom
Is the port for the power adapter loose at all? I've seen some that are badly soldered
scenic solar
No, I have 2 identical clients, they are the same (t630), the connector on the dell power brick is the exact same as the original on the hp power brick, the only thing that changes its the wattage (and amperage)
The port is still
grizzled bloom
I'd try another generic power brick, one of the clients could be more sensitive to voltage drop or something if the brick is having issues.
scenic solar
The dell one outputs exactly 19.52v
I didn't try the amperage
I don't have other power bricks to test, the connector is particular (71*50mm)
Round with a small pin in the middle
scenic solar
Mmmh... It kinda strange that they both have the same problem
snow tartan
hello everyone. i was turning on my PC today as usual and it pops up a message saying Over Current Has Been Detected On Your USB Device. then shuts off after 15 seconds. I unplugged every USB device from it, still shows up. I have unplugged every USB port on the MOBO and still shows up. I tried plugging the MOBO ports one by one, with no avail.... What else can I do?
grizzled bloom
hello everyone. i was turning on my PC today as usual and it pops up a message s...
Clean the dust from the inside of the computer and inside the USB ports
Dust conducts electricity and if it's bridging pins in a USB connector it can start a fire
snow tartan
Clean the dust from the inside of the computer and inside the USB ports
tried that as well, nothing.
grizzled bloom
tried that as well, nothing.
Try a CMOS clear next
snow tartan
how do i do that? removing the battery?
scenic solar
how do i do that? removing the battery?
You remove the battery
Sometimes motherboards have a CMOS reset button
ruby basin
sup guys, Is there any equivalents to the MSI Z490-A PRO and the XPG SX8200 m.2 price & spec wise?
im going to my local store and knowing my luck i wont find what I want exactly
hollow thorn
sup guys, Is there any equivalents to the MSI Z490-A PRO and the XPG SX8200 m.2 ...
Any reason you're getting a z490 board, do you already have a 10th gen chip?
ruby basin
hell yee actually im upgrading to i7 11700f
burnt spear
hell yee actually im upgrading to i7 11700f
wait
do you currently own either that cpu or that motherboard
if not, 12th gen would be a better idea
unless you live in a place that has a terrible market
in which case 12th gen might be super overpriced
ruby basin
if not, 12th gen would be a better idea
uhh no i dont, what are your suggestions?
vast meadow
uhh no i dont, what are your suggestions?
12600k(f), 12700(k)(kf)(f) and a b660 or z690 if you want to OC - will need a k chip to oc, exact parts will depend on what shop and country youre in
ruby basin
well im not lookin for an overclock so is a k chip worth it?
hollow thorn
Might as well go non-k chip unless same price
Other than 12600, 12600 is weird, 12600k gets more cores
vast meadow
well im not lookin for an overclock so is a k chip worth it?
like what mr2222 said, what country are you in and what shop where you going to buy from?
ruby basin
I live in saudi, and its a local shop 🗿
vast meadow
ahh, do they have a website?
ruby basin
That shop is really great but nah they dont 💀
ok nvm they do https://www.softland.com.sa/
ruby basin
12600k(f), 12700(k)(kf)(f) and a b660 or z690 if you want to OC - will need a k ...
yeaa its overpriced as hell
vast meadow
yeaa its overpriced as hell
https://www.softland.com.sa/product/msi-mb-pro-b660-a-ddr4/
https://www.softland.com.sa/product/intel-core-i5-12600kf-box/
ruby basin
found the i7 12700KF at 480 usd and its at its lowest, hows that?
ruby basin
https://www.softland.com.sa/product/msi-mb-pro-b660-a-ddr4/
https://www.softland...
i kinda want the i7 tho
ruby basin
found the i7 12700KF at 480 usd and its at its lowest, hows that?
heres another shop https://www.electroon.com/computer-parts-ar/processors/intel-core-i7-12700kf-core-i7-12th-gen-alder-lake-12-core-8p4e-3.6-ghz-lga-1700-125w-desktop-processor/
vast meadow
i kinda want the i7 tho
i mean the i5, i7 etc doesnt actually matter tho, their gaming perf is very close and 12600k has 6 p cores & 4 e cores, 12700k has 8 p cores & 4 e cores
you can if you want
up to you
https://youtu.be/B14h25fKMpY make decision for yourself
ruby basin
i mean the i5, i7 etc doesnt actually matter tho, their gaming perf is very clos...
hmm, but isnt the i7 alot better in another tasks? i want to upgrade now so i dont need to upgrade for the next 5-7 years
vast meadow
hmm, but isnt the i7 alot better in another tasks? i want to upgrade now so i do...
have a look at the vid they go over games and multi core work
ruby basin
Great! Thanks yall 🤝🤝
scenic solar
@grizzled bloom yesterday I told you about the hp client not working...