cpus-mobo-and-memory

[naive pendant]

Yea, you'd need to find a board that uses ddr4

[umbral flint]

oh ok i thought it meant ddr4 and ddr5 im new to this pc stuff so idk but thanks

[smoky widget]

no, you can't use ddr4 in ddr5 mobo

[umbral flint]

but by chance could you send me a good motherboard that is ddr4 and ddr5 compatible?

[smoky widget]

That not possible either

you get ddr4 and get a new mobo for ddr5

[umbral flint]

dang

what is the major difference between ddr4 and ddr5

[naive pendant]

there's some boards that have ddr4 and 5 slots, though you cant use both at the same time

[smoky widget]

faster speeds, and can get more capacity per stick

they are @naive pendant I didn't know that

[naive pendant]

yea it's cool

[smoky widget]

@umbral flint https://www.pcmag.com/news/ddr5-vs-ddr4-how-much-performance-will-you-gain-from-todays-newest-ram

[umbral flint]

will it affect my gameplay that much if i have ddr4

[umbral flint]

@naive pendant can you send me a good motherboard that is ddr4 and ddr5 compatible?

[naive pendant]

I'm not super familiar with the alder lake platform so I wouldn't be the best person to ask. Maybe @main pulsar can help

my heart belongs to the LGA2011 family 😔

[smoky widget]

I see

same here @naive pendant

[main pulsar]

whats up?

[naive pendant]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[main pulsar]

oh, ddr4 v 5

just get ddr4

cheaper boards cheaper ram

[naive pendant]

he wants a good board

[main pulsar]

combatibility wise, probably also better

[umbral flint]

ok can you send me a good ddr4 motherboard

my budget for my gaming pc is $3000

[main pulsar]

oh thats alot

so like

6900xt

32gb ddr5

10700k

and a z690 board

like the a-pro

[umbral flint]

can you send me that?

[main pulsar]

pro z690-A

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144504

[umbral flint]

thanks but why a 10700k?

[main pulsar]

oh

uh

[naive pendant]

@main pulsar rainbow 6 siege 😔

[main pulsar]

i meant 12700k

[main pulsar]

ik ik im a terrible person

im an addict

[naive pendant]

😔

[umbral flint]

@main pulsar i just have 3 minor questions first

[smoky widget]

ask them flexy

[umbral flint]

ok so should i wait for the new graphics card?

and is this good ddr5 ram https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-5600MHz-Desktop-KF556C40BBK2-32/dp/B09N63G5R7/ref=sr_1_8?crid=3DT61U7FTTHC4&keywords=ddr5&qid=1647828606&sprefix=ddr5+%2Caps%2C76&sr=8-8

[main pulsar]

yeah i suppose

you could probably get a better price tho

[umbral flint]

@main pulsar do i wait for the newer graphics card?

[main pulsar]

12700k has igpu, its an option

[umbral flint]

and the last question was is this good https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G8W4nt, with the MSI PRO Z690-A DDR5 LGA 1700, the ram?

[burnt spear]

ddr4 is cheaper and better

dont bother with ddr5

its way too overpriced

[umbral flint]

ok thanks but should i also wait for the new gpu's to come out

[main pulsar]

yeah but 3k

[burnt spear]

meh

depends how long you want to wait

[umbral flint]

ok and is this good https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mr9rVw

[burnt spear]

please dont pay that much for that case

ill take a look in a minute

[umbral flint]

what case do i get

[umbral flint]

oh ok thank you

but is everything else alright?

[burnt spear]

ill see if i can find different ram

do you want the rgb of that ram?

[umbral flint]

yeha i want rgb but i also want it to be white to match the case

[cyan raft]

There’s the white Corsair 4000D airflow

[burnt spear]

^^

[cyan raft]

Or 5000d airflow

[burnt spear]

i put on the 5000d

[cyan raft]

I’d say 5000d to top mount AIO

[umbral flint]

can you send it to me please

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LymrVw

i also changed the gpu

i think the nitro + is a better model

[umbral flint]

ok thanks but does that case look good when its turned on and also what is the differece between the 12700kf and the 12700K?

[umbral flint]

ok thanks

[burnt spear]

kf has no igpu, 12700k does

[umbral flint]

what is igpu

[burnt spear]

integrated gpu

[cyan raft]

Nah keep the OC formula

Those cards are really damn nice

[burnt spear]

wait that was the oc formula?

sorry didnt realize that, mb

[umbral flint]

yeah

[burnt spear]

yeah nvm https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cfsL2m here

[umbral flint]

ok and if i were to wait for the newer graphics cards what would i alos need to upgrade?

[burnt spear]

most likely psu

would likely need a 1000w

[umbral flint]

and thats all nothing else

[burnt spear]

probably

cant think of anything else

[umbral flint]

for the cpu cooler does it have that screen that can display a picture or the temperature?

[burnt spear]

no, but thats pretty useless tbh

[umbral flint]

oh ok

thank you

sorry i know i can be a little too much i just never built a pc before I've only had prebuilds and i just want everything to be perfect so it doesn't fry my components and stuff

but should i buy the gpu, cpu and the mobo on like Newegg so i can get a warranty for them if something were to happen to them?

[cursive epoch]

you can buy on amazon

they have good return policy

[burnt spear]

depends

get wherever the lower price is imo

[cursive epoch]

ye

[umbral flint]

ok thanks

and should i get 240hz 1440p gaming for that pc

[main pulsar]

obv

[burnt spear]

no

m27q

[main pulsar]

nah

FI27q-x

the bees knees

as the cool kids say

[umbral flint]

ill get the FI27q-x but is this a good monitor? https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-27-inch-Odyssey-G7-Monitor/dp/B088HJ4VQK/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2FN1LT3QBFH23&keywords=odessy+g5&qid=1647830820&sprefix=oddessy+g%2Caps%2C490&sr=8-2

my friend has it and he likes it

[burnt spear]

m27q

[umbral flint]

ok ill get the m27q

but is that samsung monitor good?

[burnt spear]

its overpriced

[umbral flint]

oh ok

i just thought it was good because it was on a sale for $500 for 1440p 240hz

[main pulsar]

thats really good

do it

its the most amazing fps panel ever

[umbral flint]

really

[main pulsar]

yeah

and the FI27q-x

[umbral flint]

ok ill think about all three and ill decide

[burnt spear]

does this even exist

[main pulsar]

yes

i am using one

rn

[smoky widget]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/gigabyte-m27q-vs-samsung-odyssey-g7-lc32g75t/19668/14315?usage=3623&threshold=0.10

[naive pendant]

[agile jolt]

GIGABYTE B450 AORUS M (AMD Ryzen AM4/Micro ATX/M.2 Thermal Guard/HDMI/DVI/USB 3.1 Gen 2/DDR4/Motherboard) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FWY246F/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_QE9X0JTGKG4ARFG1CKQC

Yall think this is a good deal?

On sale

[misty obsidian]

Hmmm, so I updated my bios and my overclock settings don't work anymore lol

Can you usually downgrade your BIOS version ?

motherboard is https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

used to be able to run my RAM on XMP settings by manually inputting them (xmp profile didn't boot...)

3600mhz 14-15-15-35

now I can only run 3200 14-15-15-35

3600 bluescreens super fast

[main pulsar]

then try loosening your timings i suppose

3600 16

[misty obsidian]

That's the XMP settings 😦

[main pulsar]

and?

[misty obsidian]

I've been running them fine for 3 months

[main pulsar]

well they arent working now

so

[misty obsidian]

welp

[main pulsar]

you could retry enabling xmp after clearing cmos

worth a shot

[misty obsidian]

I'll try, I did clear it a bunch

I tried a lot of different combos to get it to boot

higher than stock 2400mhz that is lol

[main pulsar]

also i would suggest bumping up voltage

[misty obsidian]

samsung bdie is safe at 1.5v eh ?

I have VCCSA at 1.34

[main pulsar]

set it to 1.4

vccsa?

[misty obsidian]

seems to affect memory stability on Z690 so I've heard

[main pulsar]

irrelevant

whats your dimm voltage

[vast meadow]

No

[misty obsidian]

dimm is 1.45 XMP

[main pulsar]

if its base 1.2v, you wont run any speed past like 2666

ok but you arent setting xmp, right?

[vast meadow]

Unless they say you can't revert, yes you can revert, and that's not uncommon

[misty obsidian]

I'm manually putting xmp settings because just turning on the profile hasn't worked for me

[main pulsar]

so any testing you do will use some auto voltage, which could be too low

[misty obsidian]

I'm always manually setting voltage to 1.45v

[main pulsar]

ok

[agile jolt]

[main pulsar]

thats overkill for 3600, so idk why else it wouldnt work

[agile jolt]

I will continue to look then

[vast meadow]

What cpu are you looking for?

3500?

[main pulsar]

i can run 3600 c14 on like 1.38

[misty obsidian]

:/

[vast meadow]

To be fair, that will depend on bin of the b die

[vast meadow]

Oh wait i misread price, Amazon is weird, that's good for 85$

[agile jolt]

Yeah

[main pulsar]

i mean yeah, but 3600 shouldnt fail at 1.45

[agile jolt]

Only thing is that id need to buy a wifi card as well

And I dunno the differences between all of them

[main pulsar]

assuming the bin is good enough to handle 3600 to begin with

[agile jolt]

What did it show up as?

[vast meadow]

Sounds like the new bios is stopping that tho, not uncommon for new bios to break mem oc

[main pulsar]

oh he updated bios?

yeah didnt read that far up haha

[vast meadow]

Amazons weird with links sometimes, brought me to amazon UK

[vast meadow]

@main pulsar ^

[agile jolt]

Ah

Weird

[misty obsidian]

Yeah I'm going to try downgrading it

[main pulsar]

oh

huh

[agile jolt]

You think its better to get the board + wifi card or just a board with built in wifi

[devout moth]

cheetos#0827 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vast meadow]

Yeah because thats my Amazon so even when i click on .com links it does that sometimes, pita

[misty obsidian]

I don't know what i was thinking downgrading it, really didn't need to

[agile jolt]

Amazon never works tbf

[main pulsar]

so you did downgrade it?

[vast meadow]

Board with wifi card is gonna run you like 85 + 25$ maybe

[agile jolt]

Yeah

[vast meadow]

Well whatever you did with bios, undo it lol

[agile jolt]

And I don't see many good boards with wifi built in for near the same price

Unless I ain't looking correctly

[vast meadow]

Just remember that will limit you to a 2 slot card probably

Nvm looks like you should be good with up to a 3 slot gpu

[agile jolt]

I never use those slots anyway

A wifi card isn't an issue

Unless I'm thinking about the wrong thing

Was kinda hoping my pavilion had a wifi card i could just take out

But wifi is built into the board i think so

[vast meadow]

If you send a pic of the board you might actually be able to snag the wifi card out of it

[agile jolt]

I believe this is it

I just looked up TG01-0023w motherboard

Not alot of good images of it stripped down

[vast meadow]

You cant take a pic of yours?

Might be slightly different

[misty obsidian]

Okay, BIOS is rolled back now... maybe the bluescreens not happen 🤞

aaaaand it still doesn't work

[agile jolt]

Not home atm

[vast meadow]

Ahh when you do you should just incase but that board has a wifi chip you can steal

Providing the other board supports it, or you could get an empty card and save a few bucks probs

[agile jolt]

Yeah

[main pulsar]

rolled back to an updated version?

[agile jolt]

Very funky mobo

[misty obsidian]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-DDR4-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios

it used to work on BIOS F6f

I updated to F7

now both don't work 😦

[vast meadow]

Can't find an empty card anyway so might just be worth spending the 25-35 for an actual card

[agile jolt]

I guess

Yeah

[vast meadow]

This pic doesn't even have a wifi card sooo

[agile jolt]

I thought some cards looked like an NVME stick

Might be reading the wrong things

[vast meadow]

You're def back on f6?

[agile jolt]

Eh ill look online for good cards

[vast meadow]

Try f6 non f

[vast meadow]

Yeah that wouldn't be a card tho just the actual wifi module that plugs into an m.2 e key slot which the card will have

[agile jolt]

Ah

Got it

Kinda sucks cheaper wifi boards just seem awful

[vast meadow]

I mean you can get a way better board with wifi for probably 10$ more than wifi + board

[misty obsidian]

yeah

[vast meadow]

Try f6

[agile jolt]

I love looking up MATX on Amazon and it gives me ATX

[vast meadow]

@agile jolt https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&c=133,145,132,138

Also why matx?

[agile jolt]

Or don't even have wifi when I search wifi lol

An ATX case is too big

[vast meadow]

Use pc part picker

[agile jolt]

For my area

[vast meadow]

Mkay

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

Like 120 but integrated wifi and way better board

Could upgrade to a 5800x on that

@agile jolt sent wrong link originally for searching btw
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&c=133,145,132,138&sort=price

[agile jolt]

How's this look

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1590922-REG/msi_mag_a520m_vector_wifi.html

Found it on there

MATX board with wifi

2 ram slots don't really bother me

[main pulsar]

oh, a lot of those bioses have "xmp improvements"

huh

[vast meadow]

God no, b450/b550/x470/x570, that's why i put them in the filter for you

[agile jolt]

Damns

Filter didn't work for me

My b

[vast meadow]

Yeah gigabyte z690 ddr4 had a good bit of issues with the rams

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&c=133,145,132,138&sort=price this should do kt

No worries

[main pulsar]

a520 isnt a bad chipset

most of the boards it comes with are trash tho

just depends on the cpu you usin

[agile jolt]

Just a ryzen 5 3500

[main pulsar]

which i dont know

[agile jolt]

Nothing much

[main pulsar]

oh

[vast meadow]

Ehhhhh for like super budget sure, but it's priced like a good b450/b550 board

A520 isn't terrible but not good

[main pulsar]

yeah 100 is a bit much

[agile jolt]

I see people in the replies say $85

Maybe for $85 it'd be fine

[misty obsidian]

yeah it still doesn't work 😦

F6 bios not F6f

[main pulsar]

just xmp?

[misty obsidian]

manually input the settings same as XMP

[main pulsar]

no

enable xmp

[misty obsidian]

but it's not XMP because that's never worked for me so far

[main pulsar]

well doing it manually isnt working either?

[misty obsidian]

it used to xD

[main pulsar]

:P

[misty obsidian]

okay so I turn on XMP

and nothing else ?

[main pulsar]

yes, just run xmp

check dimm voltage

[misty obsidian]

I can hard reset the bios and just do xmp

xmp takes care of that nah ?

[main pulsar]

it does

usually

i would leave f6 bios though, the older bioses shouldnt do better than the newer ones

you could do f7 but ion think it would change much

[misty obsidian]

I just was on f7

[vast meadow]

For 85 with wifi would be fine yeah but the boards usually put lowest power delivery on them as possible

[main pulsar]

either f6 or f7 is fine, i would fix that variable now and test other things

[vast meadow]

Not always, sometimes some voltages can be set manually that you forget about, not taken care of by xmp, like vsscio/va

[main pulsar]

hes clearing cmos

so they should be auto

i would try xmp, then up dimm voltage by .1, try again, do that up to like 1.5

[agile jolt]

Found this from the list

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SY8CMTX/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_RQMZ32DGJMRFKQGSH6HA

[vast meadow]

Would not recommend

[agile jolt]

oh

[vast meadow]

Can you not spend 10$ more for a wayyy better board? Means next time you want to upgrade you can put in a better cpu instead of having to buy a new board

[agile jolt]

I just don't know differences between mobos

[main pulsar]

then let pato pick one for you ig

[main pulsar]

.

[agile jolt]

I can spend another $10 ig

[main pulsar]

yes

[agile jolt]

Gotta wait till my second item sells though

[main pulsar]

you that broke?

[agile jolt]

Well ship

[main pulsar]

it be like that

[agile jolt]

I just wanna be sure the cost will be covered as soon as possible

[main pulsar]

why

[agile jolt]

If I wanted too I could buy everything outright atm

[main pulsar]

if you have 120 to spend, spend it

[agile jolt]

I like paying stuff off quickly

I have some $100 waiting to be sent to me

So I'm just waiting on that

[main pulsar]

what you got saved up rn

[agile jolt]

$350ish after last weeks paycheck

I wanna send half to savings

That's why I wait for the $100 to come in to cover most of the mb

Saving up for trade school and all that

So I can buy it all atm but id rather wait

Mecari says my payment should be in a day or soon so ill buy then

[main pulsar]

mercari?

i would be mindful of scams buying from there

its not a bad spot to order from though

[agile jolt]

I sell on there

I don't buy from there

Sellers can be a pia

Its the price of the mobo

[misty obsidian]

My pc will absolutely never boot with xmp

[vast meadow]

Try xmp and redo your vssca/io

[misty obsidian]

Yeah im on xmp plus 1.34v of vccsa

[agile jolt]

Alot of MATX cases for under $70

[naive pendant]

I'm pretty sure 1.34v is super high. What's default?

[misty obsidian]

Nothing

[naive pendant]

what board are you using?

[misty obsidian]

Z690 elite ax
Gigabyte

[burnt spear]

Have you updated bios?

[naive pendant]

what about cpu

[burnt spear]

Oh

[misty obsidian]

Everyone says its garbage on reddit lol I should just sell it

[burnt spear]

Not bios if it's that new of a board

Smells like something needs to be rmad

[naive pendant]

dont listen to reddit, 95% of the time their opinions are 💩

[misty obsidian]

That mobo is doggo

[burnt spear]

Unless you're running a 12900k it's fine, for the most part

[misty obsidian]

12700k

[burnt spear]

Or super ocing a 12700k

[misty obsidian]

Stock12700

[burnt spear]

What's the ram?

[misty obsidian]

Tforce argb

2x16, 3600 c14

[vast meadow]

Tbf gigabyte z690 ddr4 board have had mem oc issues

[burnt spear]

I'm trying to figure out a sentence that says I hadn't seen anything about that but I trust what you're saying without it sounding like I'm trying to disagree with you

So I typed that instead^

[vast meadow]

Lol

[burnt spear]

Is the board in return window?

[misty obsidian]

Whatever, ill stick to 3200c14 for now until gigabyte answers my ticket

[vast meadow]

Try 3400?

[misty obsidian]

Trying

Whats Dram training voltage ? Could that help ?

[vast meadow]

With booting, yeah

It's for training at the speed

[misty obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/sc1wzh/gskill_ddr4_ram_totally_unstable_with_gigabyte/

trying 3400 c14 now

usually when it fails it usually crashes within the first 2 minutes of stress testing

3400 works I think

[vast meadow]

Test mem 5 extreme anta time, should take ehhh 1.5 hrs for 16gb, 3 for 32gb

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

Make sure you select the extreme anta profile

[misty obsidian]

left it running for 45minutes, seemed fine

gotta go back to work

can't lag my PC down hehwe

[vast meadow]

Make sure you run it fully tho, sometimes you'll find error towards end

[misty obsidian]

alrighty, I'll leave it open tonight

[vast meadow]

And make sure it's on the extreme anta profile -rest aren't very good

[late plume]

backordered, can anyone suggest alternative?

Intel Core i5-12400F - Core i5 12th Gen Alder Lake 6-Core 2.5 GHz LGA 1700 65W Desktop Processor - BX8071512400F

[vast meadow]

12400 non f, 5600x

[honest rock]

Is anyone familiar with MSI bios/motherboards?

I am booting my build for the first time and trying to get it to boot to my flash drive to install windows

[grizzled bloom]

F9 on the splash screen usually brings up the boot selector

[honest rock]

Somehow I figured it out

I got to a screen with an MPG logo and hit f11

Not sure what the MPG logo is from

[grizzled bloom]

That's a msi sub-brand so maybe windows detected msi and used the built in boot screen

[honest rock]

Cool. Installing windows now

Then I guess I have to tweak my bios. My cpu is showing only 3.20 mhz and my ram only 2666.

[grizzled bloom]

Ram is easy, just enable xmp profile on the overclock tab

Check CPU frequency under load

It clocks down on idle to save power

[honest rock]

Should I update my bios?

Wow. Windows installed in < 4 minutes. That's ridiculous.

[grizzled bloom]

Updating doesn't hurt, but you might want to disable the fTPM afterwards, it's known to cause a few problems but it's also required to install (but not run) windows 11

[honest rock]

Stuck at let's connect to a network. Doesn't give me an option to setup my wireless 😦

[grizzled bloom]

Should be an option to skip

[honest rock]

No option to skip

I have an intel cpu, so fTPM isn't a think, right?

*isnt a thing

[grizzled bloom]

It is, it's just TPM in that case

Same difference

[honest rock]

Oh

OK

Trying to figure out how to skip the network thing now

[frail frigate]

Anyone familiar with z690 xtreme

[honest rock]

I had to go into task manager and kill the Network Connection Flow task

Seems like MS wants to force you to create an account with windows 11

[long geyser]

Huh, who woulda thunk. Wonder how bad it'll be in 3 - 5 yrs when I upgrade to 11.... Probs will get reminded to make an account even after signing in with an account lol

[honest rock]

So -- new build -- MSI EDGE Z690 w/ wifi. Win 11 installed but OS didn't find the wifi adapter. Any suggestions?

[frail frigate]

Mobo only displays on new built with one memory stick and no gpu But then restarts.

[grizzled bloom]

Download the Wi-Fi drivers on another computer and copy to a USB

[grizzled bloom]

Did you happen to get a F processor, like the 12600KF or something?

[frail frigate]

Best case for xtreme z690

What do you recommend

[frail frigate]

I9-12900k

[grizzled bloom]

Not the KF?

[grizzled bloom]

I'd double check your box to make sure it's not the KF. It wouldn't be the first time, and definitely not the last.

[long yew]

10105F hitting 81C under heavy load - bad?

tweaked the fan profile a bit and it changed to 77 - 78 but I'm still a bit concerned

[burnt spear]

It's fine until 90c

I'd assume it's on stock cooler if it's getting that hot though

[long yew]

yes

I didn't feel like shelling out for a better one lol

[burnt spear]

What gpu you have paired with it outta curiosity?

[long yew]

1660 OC edition

when I say heavy load I mean I was making it scream with prime95

to test stability

[burnt spear]

80c is fine

And to be expected with stock cooler

[long yew]

cool

I mean, not literally, but you know

[honest rock]

Hey peeps. Is it better to install itunes, MSI Center (Or MSI Dragon Center -- not sure what the difference is), etc from the Microsoft Store or directly from Apple/MSI?

Also, can I delete Xbox game bar and Intel Graphics Command Center? I don't think they really do anything and I have the Nvidia Command Center installed.

[vernal cosmos]

leave intel graphics center thing installed if u have an intel igpu and u can uninstall game bar but have to do through powershell commands

[honest rock]

I guess my CPU has built in graphics (i9 12900k) but I have an nvidia fe 3090

[frosty depot]

How much force is needed to install the cpu?

Nvm. Thats a scary amount.

[trim mauve]

Literally 0. You set it in and it’ll set right into place

You can always give it a very light shake to make sure it’s in place

[vast meadow]

I think they might mean the lga lever

[cursive epoch]

^

[naive pendant]

what how did you get that

[finite elm]

3090 is pretty readily available due to most AIB's having them at ridiculous prices

[vast meadow]

Prices are actually decent atm tho

But FE either means they got lucky with a BB drop or their scalper did xD

[dim cloak]

can still get a 3090 under $1900 and thats a win in my books

[grizzled bloom]

Or get the 6900XT for $1000 from AMD direct

[frosty depot]

Yeah :P it started making noise.. I started tripping. I had to look it up lol

[vast meadow]

Some or them make a crunch sometimes which is horrifying tbf

[burnt spear]

hey pato

coding is cpu intensive right?

[vast meadow]

Not really, running/compiling huge code sure but average coding stuff can be done on a 6th gen laptop

[burnt spear]

alr

my brother wants to sell his laptop and get a work focused laptop, and then a pc

so im thinking about building a pc for him, and since im replacing my gpu if hes buying a pc i might as well just have him buy a diff psu, cover the difference, and give him my pc

and he can contribute some to the new build

[vast meadow]

Sounds nice

[brazen quartz]

Should I buy a used mobo? Saves me $70 and Amazon warehouse says it's good condition with very little imperfections around the board

[vernal cosmos]

My college teaches c on a pc thats got a core 2 duo from 2007

LOL

[cursive epoch]

yeah why not?

[brazen quartz]

I assume people don't because lifespan and lying/unknown issues

[cursive epoch]

amazon warehouse doesn't lie

but check their policy for warranty

[brazen quartz]

In this case, no lying but could be an inexperienced person checking the board BUT free returns so why not

[vast meadow]

Sure

[brazen quartz]

It's a b550 aorus elite V2 for $105

Seems good value wise

[vast meadow]

Nice deal

[hybrid grove]

I buy from Amazon warehouse quite often. Only if it's used like new though

You get a good discount and typically there are only very minor cosmetic defects. Like a small scuff or just missing booklet and cables

I got a aorus elite x570 for $109(used like new) a few months back. No issues so far with it

[vast meadow]

Sheeeesh

[cursive epoch]

i want amazon warehouse here in thailand aaa

returns are treasure

[burnt spear]

theres an oled switch for 270 on warehouse

samsung 980 1tb for 94

there some actually great priced things here

850 rmx for $85, 4000d airflow for 87

[cursive epoch]

that's good stuff

[burnt spear]

Lowkey tempting on the rmx tbh

Because i wouldn't have to change cables at all

[vast meadow]

Very meh unless you meant 980 pro

[burnt spear]

Isn't the 980 gen 4 as well?

I know gen 4 is useless for most people

[vast meadow]

Nope it's dumb, 980 is like similar to sabrent rocket/pilot e kinda performance

Dramless too

[burnt spear]

Ah

[vast meadow]

980 pro
970 evo plus/970 pro
970 evo/980

Is Samsungs ranking

Pretty stupid

[empty grotto]

Hey y’all I’m looking for a motherboard for to fit my NZXT - H510 Compact ATX Mid-Tower. I want to put my 1060 a 4k60 capture card in there and plug in a drawing tablet as well via hdmi.

[vast meadow]

I would HIGHLY advice a different case, but the motherboard will depend what cpu you will be using

[empty grotto]

What’s wrong with the case?

[eternal helm]

Airflow

But honestly, you'll probably be fine since you aren't using super high power draw parts

[vast meadow]

It has no airflow -> will be loud and have higher temperatures, costs more than it should

[empty grotto]

I’ll probably replace it later i I got that one recommend it to me for my budget a while ago

[empty grotto]

I’m using Intel my bad

[vast meadow]

What cpu specifically

[empty grotto]

I already have a Predator Orion 3000 but the thing keeps freezing if there isn’t a game running. I might use the i5-11400f in there until i upgrade to something of an i7

[vast meadow]

11400f right, and I'm assuming you're in the us ?

[empty grotto]

Right

[vast meadow]

The freezing is probably ram or overheating related or something weird with the windows install btw

Can you link the capture card you want to use btw?

[empty grotto]

I highly think it’s windows 11 because i put 2 new sticks in and it still does it

[vast meadow]

Could just be a crappy windows install ye

[eternal helm]

Can't be overheating

I'm gonna guess it's bloatware crap

[empty grotto]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/elgato-game-capture-4k60-pro-mk-2/6398000.p?skuId=6398000

[vast meadow]

Ohh isn't a fame running

[vast meadow]

Probably

[eternal helm]

Yeah

[vast meadow]

@empty grotto
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jv3gXL/msi-mag-b560-torpedo-atx-lga1200-motherboard-mag-b560-torpedo

[empty grotto]

Its fine when a game is running but if there isn’t one running itll freeze

It even froze one time after two minutes on the login screen

[vast meadow]

Weird I'd guess it could be the bloatware or something yea

[eternal helm]

95% it's McAfee lol

[empty grotto]

I need an install macam I had Norton pReinstalled on

[cursive epoch]

it's definitely bloatware

[eternal helm]

It'd be worth opening task manager and seeing what running in the background

[cursive epoch]

dell has this problem so badly some games refuses to run lol

[eternal helm]

Yeah

[empty grotto]

I’ll check it out when I get home thanks again for your help

[empty grotto]

What am I looking for in regards to bloatware

[eternal helm]

something taking a ton of ram/cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Generally things that are preinstalled by either Microsoft or your computer manufacturer, such as candy crush and anything MSI, gigabyte, etc

[eternal helm]

yeah

youll probably see icons on the desktop for alot of them

[cursive epoch]

easiest way to get rid of all that bloat is to run a clean install

but that is if you want to do it

[eternal helm]

yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Thanks to microsuck even that doesn't work 100% any more

[cursive epoch]

eh debloater tools exists

at least clean install removes the oem bloat

[empty grotto]

The only thing using much is my memory and that is antimalware exe and killer network service at 100-300mb

[grizzled bloom]

Shout out to Windows downloading 3gb of apps on my brand new install on a metered connection that I didn't get a chance to say was metered before it did it

[cursive epoch]

antimalware service is windows defender

also honestly that's why i don't connect to a network with windows installs

it's annoying

[empty grotto]

Y’all know anything about this killer service stuff

[grizzled bloom]

That's your ethernet driver

[cursive epoch]

^

[empty grotto]

Other than i don’t see anything suspicious in task manager. I might have to get that clean install

[grizzled bloom]

You can do a PC reset from settings, that way you have the option of keeping your files

Then if you still have problems, you can backup and do a clean install from USB

[empty grotto]

I like how it says i can keep my files but it’s about to delete all my apps 🙄

[grizzled bloom]

Not "delete" just effectively uninstall while keeping the files intact

The registry gets reset

[empty grotto]

Oh ok. It just showed me all the programs it was going to delete and I panicked

[mild jackal]

That's a really messy option though, far better to clean install

[midnight pollen]

idk I feel like the windows pc reset works like 1 in every 10 times. maybe its just me

[mild jackal]

It works - but it makes a real mess of windows

Also takes far longer than a clean install

[frosty depot]

I am not quite sure which channel to ask this in.. I am looking at some games to play and noticed that they "require" 2-4gb dedicated VRAM.. I currently don't have a GPU so I am using 12600k integrated graphics.. My questions are: Can I still play these games that say they want dedicated VRAM? Will my integrated graphics just use my system RAM to achieve the RAM that the games wants?

[finite elm]

It depends, Intel doesn't have the best IGPU. So I'd probably look for benchmarks on YouTube on a game by game basis

[frosty depot]

gotcha, will do.

[upper rose]

consider ameliorating losedows to turn it into windows

[vernal cosmos]

rather just use linux

ameliorated windows is sad

no dx12 among other things

[sour estuary]

FX-8370 finding a board suggestion for this cpu if anyone has any ideas

[vast meadow]

Don't bother

[modest forge]

I sold an ASROCK AB350M Pro4 to someone and they have a Ryzen 5 2600 and they aren't getting a post. Cleared CMOS, fans are spinning, no post. I think there's an invalid BIOS version because the CPU in it last was a Ryzen 7 3800X. They do not have any other processors on hand. How can I go about this issue

If I am not mistaken the BIOS version is on 6.4.0 if anyone is going to do the research

But I do not recall

[sour estuary]

I'm giving my cousin who are 9 to 14 my old pc

It's why I'm worried about this.

[vast meadow]

Did you see if it boots?

[sour estuary]

No right now it's completely apart 😅

Problem it's the back of it and I'm still working on my pc at same time

[vast meadow]

You can check to see if there is bios flashback although i highly doubt it, would need to most likely swap cpus although i really wouldn't run a ryzen 7 3800x on a b350 board anyway

[vast meadow]

I'd try see if it posts and put some electrical tape over it if works

[sour estuary]

It's not a ryzen 7 it's a fx FX-8370 and just realized I didn't mention that 🤦

[vast meadow]

Ik, look who i replied too

You did say fx

[modest forge]

Yeah no there isn't a flashback as far as I know

[sour estuary]

O ok

I'll put it together and check later

[glad acorn]

i3 10100 and 8gb ram

[naive pendant]

@mental fractal can you give me advice on overclocking x79 pls

[frosty depot]

do these temps look ok? like the fact that p-core 3 is running at 58 while the others are at least 4 degrees less? This is under full load.

[vernal cosmos]

Perfectly fine

[frosty depot]

ok cool. Gonna try my hand at overclocking now

[bitter comet]

Should I wait for the new 7000 series or get I5 12 gen now for my new syestem

[vast meadow]

Which i5?

And what do you have now?

What's your budget etc

[bitter comet]

I5 12600k

My budget is like 1300

I already bought everything except for gpu motherboard and cpu

[vast meadow]

Just go 12600k

[naive pendant]

Binning time

[finite elm]

the longer you wait the sadder you'll be yea

[naive pendant]

[grizzled bloom]

Does the cat come with the memory?

[vast meadow]

I sure hope so

[split fiber]

So I bought an X570 unify a while back, and I know this series of boards needs a bios update to use 5000 series cpus. Thing is, it came with a sticker on the box saying "5000 series ready". will it really work out of the box with my cpu or is that just a marketing blurb and I still need to update it

[vast meadow]

If it said 5000 ready then you're good to go

[rapid patio]

Can someone help me? I am have a red DRAM light on. I am able to get into windows sometimes, but not all of the times and I'm not sure what is going wrong. When I play, the audio would cut out and everything would freeze.

[vast meadow]

Make sure your ram is in slots 2 and 4 from left to right

[rapid patio]

They are…

Sometimes it boots sometimes it doesn’t lmao and it gets stuck on the light

[vernal cosmos]

What ram

And what cpu

And what board

[rapid patio]

Kingston fury beast 32gb ddr5 5200 16x2
i5-12600k
Aorus z690 elite ax

[rapid patio]

^

[vernal cosmos]

Update motherboard bios

[rapid patio]

Alright

[rapid patio]

Updated, but still froze and lost audio and this time it restarted the pc

[vernal cosmos]

hmm

are u running xmp on?

[mild jackal]

That's a pretty low xmp - should run out of the box

Could try playing with memory controller voltage, vccsa, vdimm, vddq, vpp if you want

[rapid patio]

Yea

[split fiber]

Alright cool, thanks! Makes my job a lot easier lol

[naive pendant]

yes indeed

[frigid willow]

I am looking to see if there is possibly much of an upgrade possibility with my RAM. Currently I have a 4x8gb set of trident z rgb 3200 cl14 kit and wasn't sure if I could get more out of a 2x16gb set with higher speeds. I'm on a x570s aorus master with a 5900x

[grizzled bloom]

3200 c14 is probably b-die, just overclock it

That's one of the best dies

With a little tuning you could probably do 3600 c14

Even with 4 sticks

[frigid willow]

yeah my issues has been with temps I think. with 4x8 i dont have enough airflow to keep them cool and they get slightly above 50c when gaming

[grizzled bloom]

They'll get unstable around there yeah, b-die is pretty temp sensitive. Just slap an old fan over it.

[frigid willow]

yeah i have been thinking about how to go about getting a fan on them. My case is a phanteks enthoo pro M

[grizzled bloom]

I have one of the worst cases for airflow over the memory. I just used zip ties to hold a fan in place over them.

[frigid willow]

i have an AFII 280 front mounted and i think i could possibly top mount it but its really close. I thought maybe front fan intakes would be better than an AIO blowing on them

[grizzled bloom]

Top should be exhaust anyway, and warm air is better than no air

[frigid willow]

very true though my system doesn't run very hot to start with overall just the ram starts to get warm

what size fan do you have over yours?

[grizzled bloom]

You could get this and it'll look less trashy than my solution lol https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cmyaf-fans/p/N82E16835181059

80mm

[frigid willow]

yeah i've looked into the g.skill specific ones and they are really hard to find

wasn't sure if those corsair ones would fit

[grizzled bloom]

g.skill tend to be shorter than corsair so probably

[frigid willow]

i'll have to look into it and see if it works for sure

i've tried overclocking and 3600 c14 boots to windows but memtest throws errors like crazy lol

a little tweaking with it and it was still going crazy

[grizzled bloom]

According to the reviews and Q&A on newegg that fits corsair vengeance ddr4

Which kit of g.skill do you have?

[frigid willow]

trident z rgb

i'll check out the heights

[grizzled bloom]

44mm

[frigid willow]

for corsair?

[grizzled bloom]

The trident rgb

I see someone using it with trident z neo

[frigid willow]

they are basically the same kit i believe looks wise

[grizzled bloom]

Yep they're the same height

[frigid willow]

maybe i'll try that out then. wasn't sure if top mounting a fan to the top as intake directly above the ram would help either. Just have it running at a low RPM so there is just a bit of airflow

[grizzled bloom]

Having a fan right above it is usually enough, but top should be exhaust

[frigid willow]

yeah i actually only have exhuast out the rear. having any exhaust out the top does nothing for my temps

[grizzled bloom]

It won't always help cpu but it should for your memory

[frigid willow]

hmm that is true. i will have to try and see what kind of temps i get if running exhaust out the top also

at idle they are fine with the outter 2 dimms 36c and the inner two 37c but as soon as i start heavier memory related tasks they hit 50-52c

[viral dust]

I’m bios flashing my gigabyte b550 and wanted 2 know when the bios flash finishes?

There isint any more flickering but there is an led with 00

[cursive epoch]

00 means it's working

No errors

[viral dust]

Just 2 clarify I can unplug it

?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

You can turn it off now

[viral dust]

Ty ty

[limber dragon]

00 means its trying to post and doesnt detect a cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Which makes sense with no CPU in the socket lol

[limber dragon]

Yes, but it would do that whether or not the flash was successful

[cursive epoch]

Hm

The mobo stopped flashing tho so it should be done flashing

[burnt spear]

Looking at comparisons, the 5600 is within 5% of the 5600x

Meaning if it retails for around 170 it will compete with the 12400$

5500 still makes no sense though

It's about equal to a 10400f and loses to 12100f from what I can tell

[vast meadow]

Is it out yet?

[burnt spear]

Theyre at microcenter it seems

Very quiet launch maybe

[vast meadow]

Ohh hmm

I don't see any reviews which is weird

[burnt spear]

One sec

https://www.microcenter.com/product/647885/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-vermeer-34ghz-8-core-am4-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included

I wonder how a 5700x will do on my board

[vast meadow]

B550 asrock itx right?

Ehhhhhhhhhh

[burnt spear]

yeah

[burnt spear]

i think it wouldnt be too bad as long as i dont oc

this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BXDkcf/asrock-b550mac-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550mac

micro atx*

[vast meadow]

wait thats matx i thought you had itx?

[burnt spear]

nah

matx

[vast meadow]

ahh i swore you said itx before

[burnt spear]

are the vrms any diff?

[vast meadow]

i think the itx one has slightly better ones but lemme check

hmm seems like itx has slightly better phases but no heatsink soo

probably both mehhhhh

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/oW0aWfxzhyc

[smoky widget]

I have a little question. So I have a Gigabyte aorus z590 Ultra 1.0 revisio motherboard. Currently it has F2 bios. Can I upgrade to F7 right away. Or download each one?

[vast meadow]

you should just check the previous versions and as long as it doesnt say update to this before updating to a one after that eg "upgrade to v4 before updating to v5" - if thats not there you are fine

[smoky widget]

it doesn't show I believe

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z590-AORUS-ULTRA-rev-10/support#support-dl

[vast meadow]

Then you're fine

[smoky widget]

Will do it and hope all good

[cerulean wadi]

I just bought an 11700F for a decent price (no I don't care that it's going into a Z590 mobo, lol)

[dusk vessel]

hey this is my old motherboard i was wondering does it have sata 3 6gb? https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H61M-USB3-B3-rev-11/sp#sp

i just bough an ssd and it just give me half of the write and speed

[grizzled bloom]

Nope SATA 2 3Gbps

[dusk vessel]

thanks

[grizzled bloom]

You can get a PCIe expansion card

[dusk vessel]

i need to buy a new mob ?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah you can get a PCIe card with sata 3 ports on it

Something like this https://www.newegg.com/p/17Z-011V-00004

[shy wyvern]

I've been thinking about something

AMD's budget segment makes no sense

R5 5500 paired with their low end GPUs literally cripples the system

4 pcie lanes on 6500XT on CPU provided pcie 3.0 for a more entry level system would cripple itself...

[cursive epoch]

5500 actually has 4.0

also even 3600 has 4.0

Just gotta use at least B550 mobo

[dull flint]

Does it? AMD's website says 3.0 and so did GN's review

[dull flint]

never thought of this, it's so true

[cursive epoch]

No, ever since 500 series chipset came out it's got updated to 4.0

It's weird but the point still stands

[polar zenith]

is the Ryzen 5 3600 good in combination with the rtx 2060

[cursive epoch]

That's decent

[burnt spear]

depends on if you already own the 3600

if you dont, dont buy it

[polar zenith]

that is my current PC setup

this was my first PC build

[shy wyvern]

Nope the 5500 is reduced to 3.0

it is actually lower than the 3600's pcie speed

[polar zenith]

I don't know if it is good together, I had help picking my parts

[shy wyvern]

amd speclist even says so

[shy wyvern]

should be fine, yeah

[hollow thorn]

Nah it's 4.0 x8

[polar zenith]

Aight

[hollow thorn]

x8 being the problem

[cursive epoch]

5500 actually has 4.0 ye

x8 won't limit 6500xt tho

[hollow thorn]

Making it same speed as 3.0x16, but running it in 3.0 means 3.0x8 and means limiting bandwidth

[cursive epoch]

as long as you don't slap pcie 4.0 ssd on

[polar zenith]

My full parts I remember are NZXT h510 case, RTX 2060 oc, 16gb 3600 mhz ram, 1tb ssd,

[cursive epoch]

H510 is a bad case but that setup shouldn't have issues

[dull flint]

so it's just shaved down pcie lanes?

[shy wyvern]

AMD own spec sheet says 3.0 tho

Literally every review says it too

[dull flint]

yeah I'm seeing that too

[shy wyvern]

can you show me where it says 4.0?

[hollow thorn]

I like tpu db
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-5500-xt.c3468

[shy wyvern]

...

We're talking about the cpu not the gpu

r5 5500 cpu

[hollow thorn]

oop

[shy wyvern]

Yeah

[hollow thorn]

amd came out with another cpu while I wasn't looking

:(

[shy wyvern]

the r5 5500 6 core cpu only has pcie 3.0

[dull flint]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mJXo2T3Nt5oseXMiN6tKn7-970-80.png

[shy wyvern]

which paired with their low end gpu actually cripples itself??

that's like evil af isn't it?

[polar zenith]

Bought it for the design, but the airflow is trash

anyways I gotta go now

[shy wyvern]

6500xt on pcie 3.0 x4 with an r5 5500... amd doesn't think of it's own budget combos

better off buying a 3050 on a pcie 3.0 bus...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPeSNV9Hog

[hollow thorn]

could prob do 3060 on 3.0x16 too

[shy wyvern]

3090 isn't bottlenecked by pcie bus at 3.0x16 either

performance was only about 3% lower when gamers nexus tested it

amd is just cheaping out and shaving pcie lanes on budget graphics cards and only giving pcie 3.0 to cpus...

[hollow thorn]

It's just weird

[shy wyvern]

they literally make it so that if you're buying budget your cpu has to be intel or your gpu has to be nvidia

isn't that so odd? they're like screwing themselves over in the budget segment

[hollow thorn]

I wonder how much money it saves

[shy wyvern]

I forget the channel but someone did a deep dive

and found that amd saves around $4-8 per 6500xt by doing 4x instead of 8x

[dull flint]

maybe they had to cut it down for these downbins

i guess?

[hollow thorn]

I mean for the CPU

[shy wyvern]

oh

I have no clue

they don't officially launch for a few days

embargo just lifted

[dull flint]

like we don't know how much throwaway silicon they were stockpiling

[shy wyvern]

we do know that some of the 4000 series r7 class and lower apus are console variant cpu dies that didn't make the cut!

it's why they're still producing them rn

I'm just still amazed that the consoles actually have decent cpus

downclocked/no turbo r7 3700 cpus

[finite elm]

4700s is the CPU you are thinking of

and its trash cause they disabled the APU on it, and the remaining PCIE lanes restrict you to x4 I believe. and you are stuck with the gddr6 on the motherboard for memory.

Its not even considered a Ryzen btw. its just AMD 4700S

1X PCIe® x16 Slot, Supports (x4 Gen 2 Signal) 🤮

[shy wyvern]

Ah

Whatever it is is it's a good zen 2 CPU

I don't think a gaming console generation has ever had such a competent CPU for the era across the board

Besides the PS3 but that was a complicated mess

[finite elm]

ps3 was good, but such a pain to write for it didn't help anything

and the Jaguar CPU's in the xbox one and ps4 were okay at the time. they did last 10 years to be fair.

PC wasn't really that much ahead price:performance wise. I think. could be wrong.

I know my prebuilt PC from 2013 was meh. graphically. but the CPU was better.

[grizzled bloom]

PS3 was an example of a good idea very poorly executed.
Even Sony, with all their source code and hardware available, can't properly emulate PS3 games to be playable on modern consoles. That's why they had to remaster God of War and others.

Even games natively run on a PS3 usually didn't use anywhere near its potential because the processor design was so weird it took most of their optimizing time just getting it to run.

[finite elm]

and why games that ran on both it and the xbox 360 usually had a lot of performance issues on the ps3 lol. crashes and frame rate issues

[grizzled bloom]

Final fantasy XIII, as much as I obviously loved it, was horrible for crashing randomly and frequently for a long time. And it was only on PS3 until they ported it to the PC, which then had the same crashing and performance issues

[pastel monolith]

that 9 core PS3 thing was ahead of its time

doing effeciency cores before everyone else

just forgot to put in the performance cores lol

[grizzled bloom]

I guess you could call it 9 cores but one is dedicated to the OS

[pastel monolith]

thats true. would have been way better if 1 or 2 of those cores could have been a little more complex so they could do branch prediction

[shy wyvern]

Interesting

Every time I switch my Minecraft version I get a clock watchdog timeout but only once

Then I can boot said version

No other issues on anything else, just blue/green screen of death changing versions lol

[vast meadow]

Tried reinstalling mc?

also if you bsod’d you should prolly run sfc and dism…. File for it in pins of #windows-ios

[shy wyvern]

I've already done it

I tested it on a clean install on a spare drive cause I was curious

It does it there too

Switching from 1.8.9 to 1.18.2 blue screens even a fresh install with a CPU related error but only once

[vast meadow]

hmmm

[shy wyvern]

I wonder if it's something to do with them using different built in Java libraries or something

Modern versions use Java 1.8 while anything before 1.12 uses java 1.7

It's just weird it's breaking the new windows build

Before update it didn't used to happen

[grizzled bloom]

With Java being as badly secured as it is Microsoft is limiting its access to the OS

[long geyser]

Have you tried BIOS update and reset BIOS? @shy wyvern

[hard leaf]

question guys: if im a new ryzen user and bought a b550f mobo and a ryzen 5600x... it will let me boot the system or the pc will be dead until i get a lower cpu to boot it?

[grizzled bloom]

Odds are very good that a new motherboard will have a bios that lets you boot

[scenic solar]

Since when Corsair made modules to cover the empty ram slots? They're only RGB, not real RAM

🤨

[hard leaf]

but that scenario is still a possibility?

[grizzled bloom]

They've done that for a while

[grizzled bloom]

Unlikely but possible

[hard leaf]

im thinkin on upgrading my rig with a strix b550f and a ryzen... not sure if 5600x or 5700x... but im afraid of that scenario cause multiple guides talk about having a lesser ryzen to boot the system and do the flash bios thingie

[cerulean wadi]

B550 has been out 16+ months. If mobo box has a 5000 series sticker then you're definitely fine. Plus get a mobo w/ flashback & it's no concern

[hard leaf]

gotcha, hope those are already flashed

cause newegg still list them as *bios boot required for 5000 series

[burnt spear]

I'd go 12400f and b660 if you haven't bought yet

Or 5600

[hard leaf]

yeah not yet, but most aios dont have the 1700 bracket, at least not one readily available

[burnt spear]

You don't need an aio for a 12400f

At all

Even a 240 is overkill for it

[hard leaf]

oh F

im thinkin more about a 12600k or the i7 counterpart

cant rememebr the number

if goin the intel route

[burnt spear]

12600k is great

[hard leaf]

but im more inclined for the 5700x but the bios thing give me the creeps

[burnt spear]

Why are you more inclined to it?

12600k is cheaper and better atm

[hard leaf]

tdp mostly

[cerulean wadi]

Am4 does feel a bit obsolete by now, at least if someone is buying mobo also. Too bad am5 isn't out yet. 5600x would be good, especially if getting for MC price or close to it. 12gen good because you could do 12400/12600K then maybe switch up to 13gen when it's out.

[hard leaf]

and many reviews talk about ryzen beign sligthly superior to intel

[burnt spear]

Before 12th gen, sure that was true

[hard leaf]

bad thing am5 will require ddr5 only.,.. and ddr5 is a... no just no

[burnt spear]

But 12th gen beats 5000 series in both price and perf

[hard leaf]

need to find an air cooler with the 1700 bracket then

[burnt spear]

Ak620

[scenic solar]

You'll find your wallet empty by buying ddr5

[grizzled bloom]

By the time AM5 is a thing DDR5 will be better priced

And better speed/latency

[cerulean wadi]

+1 lol, but not $50/16GB like ddr4.

[grizzled bloom]

True

[scenic solar]

I'm still getting 16gb ddr4 for 80€ in my country

Bruh

[cerulean wadi]

Usa has loads of ram. 🤣

[scenic solar]

Ram prices over time

2016 looking good

[cerulean wadi]

Here 32GB of ballistix 3200c16 was $90ish a month or so ago was $113 a while, now $130ish.

[scenic solar]

😩

I want the same prices as the USA

They're better than my country's anyway

[vast meadow]

If you mean strix f you can definitely bios flash without an old cpu

[vast meadow]

They are dummy sticks for asthetics

[scenic solar]

Yeah, ik but I never knew about them

[vast meadow]

The good ones do

[scenic solar]

Jus to complete the 2 slots

[cerulean wadi]

Other brands have the dummies too

[hard leaf]

yeah 😛 my question pato was: What if i dont have an old cpu to boot it?

but the guys here told me about a high chance that most b550 mobos today have the bios installed already

[shy wyvern]

I believe I'm current, I updated a month ago. I can go check

[hard leaf]

still my wallet wont open until late may

[vast meadow]

yes…. Bios flashback doesnt use the cpu just usb and a bios flash button on the board but you shouldnt really be going ryzen 5000 in 2022 unless you already have an am4 board and are upgrading or find a really good deal

[hard leaf]

yeah the bois suggested that to me as well

am4 is an old tech by now

[long geyser]

Also could get a CH341A and flash bios yourself without a CPU or flashback. Bit weird to do but I'd recommend it for learning and being able to easily flash many things in extreme issues (old mobos that don't have it, GPUs when you don't have a second GPU to use in desktop and don't have a eGPU enclosure).

[grizzled bloom]

^ Also good for bad flashes leaving things bricked

[dull shuttle]

Ok so I am buying a new mobo and I was wondering if the gigabyte z690 aero is any different from the aurorus z690 elite other than looks?

[naive pendant]

uh guys

i bought a new cpu then tried to slap it in my pc now it jus turns off everytime i turn it on

i even had a new bios update on their idk why its doin that maybe i didnt update it fully to the latest one idk

is there anything i can do to get it back working?

cause i cant even get into the bios

[dull shuttle]

Maybe take out a ram stick

[naive pendant]

ok ill try that lol

will i fry any other components if it keeps doing that?

[dull shuttle]

No

[naive pendant]

kk

thats what i was afraid of

yo i think it worked

nvm it was on there forawhile but when i tried to boot into windows it jus shut off

[dull shuttle]

Try different slots

[cyan raft]

What CPU and what was the old cpu?

[naive pendant]

old cpu was 2700x new one was a 5600x

then after that started happening i put the 2700x back in

[dull shuttle]

Did it stop?

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard?

[cyan raft]

I’m waiting for him to say a B350 or something

[naive pendant]

aorus b450 m

[cursive epoch]

have you updated your bios?

oh wait bios is updated

[cyan raft]

Did you update it to the newest one?

[naive pendant]

i dont think so

i updated it tho thats why i jus went straight for it mightve messed up with that one lol

should i jus get a new one

[naive pendant]

it will load for like a couple seconds then jus fully turn off

[cursive epoch]

update to newest bios

make sure it's the latest version

[naive pendant]

how i do that if it doesnt turn on

[cursive epoch]

well

slap old cpu back in

[naive pendant]

i did

[cursive epoch]

hm

well now this is getting complicated

reset cmos

it's a coin batt located somewhere on the mobo

[naive pendant]

i took out the battery aswell too

lol

[cursive epoch]

does it turn on at all?

like turns on with black screen

[naive pendant]

yeah it goes to bios but it turns off

[cursive epoch]

hm so it could get to bios

[naive pendant]

yeah but it will shut off at a random time

[cursive epoch]

wait

this sounds like no paste on cpu

[naive pendant]

theres paste

[cursive epoch]

ah

hm

[naive pendant]

i never went thru this i jus upgraded my gfs pc with no problem

[cursive epoch]

can you get into the bios at all?

[naive pendant]

yeah i can but it will turn off randomly

[cursive epoch]

try going into it and reset it to factory settings

[naive pendant]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

Newer bios versions disable some older CPUs

Also

What was the previous version of bios you were on?

[naive pendant]

hang on ill try find the usb that i used to update it an check

i cant remember lol

[grizzled bloom]

Not the new version, the one you on before you updated

Because if it was before F40 you had to run the EC FW Update Tool before updating

https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Utility/mb_utility_ecfwupdate_B19.0606.1.zip?v=20b9c75713daaff7c653fa635283ee3e

[naive pendant]

ohhh my bad

idk im very bad at remembering but it probably was cause when i got the mobo i didnt update it

[grizzled bloom]

When did you get it then?

[naive pendant]

like last year october

[grizzled bloom]

October 2021?

[naive pendant]

then i did a update prolly like the new year of 2022

yea

[grizzled bloom]

Hm

Do you have the box?

[naive pendant]

yeah

[grizzled bloom]

It should say the factory installed version on it