cpus-mobo-and-memory

[mild jackal]

Harder in different ways, just get a meta 280 aio or better

[vernal cosmos]

Since each core draws less power in a 5950x

Arctic freezer II

[mild jackal]

Depends how you clock them - and it'd all be irrelevant for a stock+xmp user anyway

[vast meadow]

true

[vernal cosmos]

Fair

[devout moth]

Große Schwanz Energie#3335 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bleak wyvern]

what is the difference between the GIGABYTE B550 AORUS Elite and the GIGABYTE B550 AORUS Elite v2

[vast meadow]

Minor refresh

[bleak wyvern]

so is it worth the 40 dollars more

[vast meadow]

No

[bleak wyvern]

ok thank you for the info

[vast meadow]

Np

[cerulean wadi]

So your 5950X amd pc and an Intel setup w/ that i9? awesome!

[finite elm]

I'm not gonna buy it.

If i didn't buy groceries yesterday, maybe.

[dim cloak]

Idk if i want the 12900k or 12700k ughh hard choice

[cerulean wadi]

1st world problems

[cerulean wadi]

12700 is my suggestion, same 8 Perf cores, just a few less "E" cores. Base clocks are also better. stock Turbo Wattts 190 vs 240 so that helps too.

[finite elm]

12600k

[dim cloak]

I need more than the 6 p and 4 e cores so i wont do the 12600k and im starting to work higher quality video editing as well but 12700k is the suggested recommendation

[vast meadow]

considering the work you seem to do yeah id go 12700k/12900k

[dim cloak]

Thats why im having a hard time choosing between the two

[subtle crow]

12600k is still amazing for the price and performance

[dim cloak]

Yeah i dont doubt that i love intel i5 cpus

[vast meadow]

Definitely

[dim cloak]

Now just waiting for amd fanboys to flood the chats

[vast meadow]

You do a lot of multi core workloads right?

[dim cloak]

Lol

Yes

[vast meadow]

12900k might be worth it then

[dim cloak]

And single core loads as well

[finite elm]

I'm an AMD fanboy.

But i know when Intel does something right :p

[dim cloak]

Lol im talking about the others that hate on intel every chance they get

[naive pendant]

x79 platform best platform

[finite elm]

The door is over there

[dim cloak]

Lol

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/indignation-jump-window-done-gif-3443826

[finite elm]

I love that show

[dim cloak]

But when i do get alder lake im giving my mobo and cpu to my coworker that is running a ryzen 5 1500 i think he stated it was

[finite elm]

Nice upgrade

[dim cloak]

Yeah

But he has a RX580

[vast meadow]

Rx580 good budget gpu tbf

[dim cloak]

Yeah but they want to upgrade their gpu as well but want to stay team red

[cerulean wadi]

You have Win11? That's almost needed to take advantage of the E cores. $420 for the 12700K right now, so only you can decide about dropping an extra $240+ for the i9 (GPU-less KF model is $660). --wow, just found intel's unit price was $564 per 1000 cpus
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700K-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B09FXNVDBJ
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity

[severe pivot]

New mobo seemed to fix... @vast meadow

[vast meadow]

For gaming not worth going 12700k tbh

Also win 10 sometimes beats, win 11 has better compatibility with a few apps tho

[vast meadow]

Great

[dim cloak]

Ill have windows 11 pro when i get the alder lake cpu

[cerulean wadi]

Nice, Yeah that was for Spirit. Gonna hold off Win11 since it's so new and Win10 has plenty of support. Seeing tons of Z590 mobos for under $220 so that's good. I'll take a few days to cpu shop. No hurry since I'm also replacing this standard 60 hz display. I don't worry over saving a few bucks for certain choices because I might get buyers remorse, or also it's a hassle to re-upgrade soon again.
edit: wanted Gigabyte but might go Asus for the Aura rbg stuff like Strix gpu apparently has.

[dim cloak]

Yeah its great just need upgrading for rendering and editing

[cerulean wadi]

Oh, did you ever have a 10th gen? How's that 11gen been for ya?
@vast meadow I forget if 11th gen wasn't liked for certain reasons. 11600K is $230 on Amazon, 10400 new is $170-ish on Ebay. Personally don't care about OC'ing VS striving for best bang for buck overall. Isn't $60 quite the different for these specific models.

[hollow thorn]

11600k pretty good in general, 11th gen was just really disappointing in terms of 11900k and 11700k

[cerulean wadi]

Gotcha, so on a general performance standpoint no point getting a 10gen i5 at all? Good. Hmm just realized Amazon is at least 5% back, so that lessens the difference to Ebay prices, nice.

[dim cloak]

I have no issues with the 11600k

Does wonderfully but its my limiter basically

[warm bolt]

Were these new ddr5s listed on preorder earlier today?

[cerulean wadi]

Yeah, my 3550 is mostly fine except in some BR games I've tried. The huge 60+ player maps need more CPU. It hits 90+ % sometimes. The 1080 is more than plenty for now (1080P). Will be cool to get m.2 and/or nvme.

[dim cloak]

Yeah so if you do get 11600k (imo wait for 12600k and windows 11 bugs to be fixed) it will improve by a major mark

[cerulean wadi]

For sure. Closer to a good setup for the future 144hz gaming display of some sort.

[dim cloak]

Yeah

[naive pendant]

max cpu in a Dell Dimension E521?

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU is in it right now?

[naive pendant]

Athlon 64 X2 3800+

Yeah I know

its just for like really general use

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the 6400+ is listed as the best cpu for that socket generally

but it probably wont work with the motherboard

[cursive epoch]

Might need a bios update

[naive pendant]

I see an ebay listing that has a 6000+ in it

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's the highest athlon I'm seeing possible, and you'll need bios 1.1.4

Which I happen to have found

https://downloads.dell.com/bios/DME521-010104.EXE

[naive pendant]

alrighty thank you

next question, I know this sounds super silly,

but if I'm already upgrading to and ssd ram [ddr2 ] and cpu, might as well throw a new gpu in there too,

which one is like, realistic to get for this type of machine, like, one that wont be bottlenecked by the cpu [ ], prefferably amd

[cursive epoch]

an hd 7570 should do fine i guess

or something along that sort

used ofc

[grizzled bloom]

I wonder if you could get a phenom?

[naive pendant]

looked at the og handbook

lists the max as an Athlon 64 X2

Bro I see the 6400+ for sale nowhere

💀

[naive pendant]

honestly this might be as good as the one thats already in there but I have no idea which one it is

how can I tell by looking at it

[cursive epoch]

look at its part numbers or something

[rapid thunder]

Do memory modules clock down like CPUs and GPUs when idle or doing light work?

[grizzled bloom]

Not normally

You can toggle that on but it's not advised

[naive pendant]

3470

💀

[cursive epoch]

hd 3470?

yeah that's uh

pretty weak

[naive pendant]

💩

since I got responses here,

I'll converge my last question

#cases-psu-and-cooling message

[grizzled bloom]

Ehhh, that's not a standard form factor

[naive pendant]

btx yes

ig I'll just buy a replacement case

current one is broke

just wanna say, I appreciate that you guys were actually helpful,

instead of going "why are you upgrading that garbage, heres a link to a 5000 dollar computer that suits your needs 10x better"

[cyan raft]

5000 dollar PCs most of the time are overpriced

[grizzled bloom]

We've all been there I think, trying to keep something alive as long as possible. I used a Windows 98 computer until 2010 lol.

[rapid thunder]

I ask because I thought I had my memory running at 3600 MHz as set in my bios, but HWiNFO appears to show a different number and I’m not sure what to make of it.

[long geyser]

DDR means double data rate

There is an effective and actual clock for RAM

For system memory, effective is 2x actual. Hence DDR

VRAM (GDDR) is usually more then 2x

[rapid thunder]

So ~1800 actual is ~3600 effective?

[long geyser]

Ye

[rapid thunder]

So BIOS settings are working with effective, but the HWiNFO is using actual. Why the difference?

[grizzled bloom]

The funny thing is that GDDR6 is actually QDR instead of DDR.

They get to put a bigger number on the box if they use the effective rate

[rapid thunder]

As in quadruple data rate?

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly

[rapid thunder]

This difference between actual and effective memory clock speeds reminds me of some video I once watched explaining why my HDD was marketed as a 6 TB drive while only having 5.5 TB of actual space.

[grizzled bloom]

So my GPU would have an actual clock of 2500 on memory but reports as 10000 in many programs

[rapid thunder]

I can't remember the specifics of that though.

[grizzled bloom]

The reason for that one is Microsoft measures in GiB and drive manufacturers measure GB

[rapid thunder]

So is it just that there isn't an agreed upon standard as to which measure of memory clock to use as a default?

GiB?

[long geyser]

1024 vs 1000 byte standard

[grizzled bloom]

Gibibytes

[rapid thunder]

I didn't realize there was a 1000 byte standard. I thought it was just the 1024 standard.

[grizzled bloom]

Technically both are correct.

[long geyser]

GB use to mean 1000 byte standard until MS started being big dumb and using GB with 1024

GiB means 1024 only

[rapid thunder]

So gigabyte is 1000 and gigibyte is 1024?

[grizzled bloom]

Right, they had to start distinguishing between the two

[long geyser]

That's how it use to be fair while ago. Idk how long but was a while ago. Now tho, GB means both 1000/1024

[grizzled bloom]

There was a whole big deal about it back in the 90s

[rapid thunder]

Okay, that sets my mind at ease a little bit.

Regarding my understanding of terminology at least.

[grizzled bloom]

Why is my 320MB drive only showing 280MB?!?!

[rapid thunder]

Though it means one has to specify which is which I guess.

So ultimately, it's just coders and marketers not agreeing on which units of measure to use in any given application?

[grizzled bloom]

Basically yes

[rapid thunder]

(I get that marketers prefer bigger, rounder numbers to upsell with too)

[grizzled bloom]

It kinda started with the drive manufacturers wanting to put bigger numbers on drives so they measured different, and MS gave them the middle finger and kept measuring using 1024

[long geyser]

I just wish they called it MiB/GiB so standards didnt get hecked up

[grizzled bloom]

Right? Even in college I was never told about GiB, I was just told 1024MB=1GB

Because binary blah blah

[long geyser]

Think I was taught that in HS, but cant really remember now

[naive pendant]

the internal network card on the mobo isnt working

or being read by linux at all

💀

[grizzled bloom]

Oof

Hopefully just outdated and not included in kernel any more?

[naive pendant]

recommendations for an external one?

[grizzled bloom]

What's the output of lspci | grep ethernet?

[naive pendant]

nothing

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

Not detected at all then. Check in bios if it's even enabled.

[cerulean wadi]

This has messed w/ people forever. Pay for 1TB, but don't get a TB. HDD/ssd companies could've just made the parts hold more so when we hook up a drive it actually gives close to the spec'd capacity. Buy a gal of milk, drink a gal of milk. lol

[hollow thorn]

That's less a manufacturer problem than a Windows problem, for example, a 6 terabyte drive might show up in windows as 5.5tb, but the main reason is that windows doesn't use TB, windows uses TiB, and 6tb is roughly equivalent to 5.5TiB

Conversion sounds really weird, but it makes more sense if you look at KB and KiB, where 1kb is 1000 bytes, but 1kib is 1024 bytes

[cerulean wadi]

Oh, i never looked much into it. I know it's been like this for decades though 😅. Was a bigger deal w/ 100GB instead of 1+ TB.

[hollow thorn]

So, really, manufacturers give you exactly what they advertise (most of the time), windows just uses a different standard

[cursive epoch]

^

[vast meadow]

It's good but bad value imo, need a more expensive mobo to get a slightly worse 5600x

[cerulean wadi]

I'm not concerned w/ how the performance varies, I'm just used to Intel. Can't even remember if I ever had an AMD setup. I knew someone w/ the 6400+ though, that's when many intel cpu's weren't as good for gaming.

[vast meadow]

There's literally 0 difference between if you're using an intel pc vs an amd pc, appart from some very niche engineering apps only working on intel

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, i9 is a waste also. I did find some well priced i7's on ebay, so keeping my eyes open.

[vast meadow]

Just keep an eye out on the model, a newer i5/ryzen 5 would beat a 3 year old i7

[naive pendant]

Just get a celeron

Easy

Cheap cheap

[cerulean wadi]

@vast meadow for sure. It's 1 of the 11700 models or 12600K. The latter is of course $230 amazon. Hmm, 11gen i7 has 8 cores VS 6, but lacks pci-ex 4.0 or somethin like that.

[naive pendant]

Can I have an 11700

I will take it off your hands

For about

0

Dollars

[vernal cosmos]

Both have pcie gen 4

Get the 12600k

[cerulean wadi]

@vernal cosmos oh, I think it was the 10gen that didnt have that.

[vast meadow]

Nah all 11th gen has pcie 4 but it's meh for 230$ considering you need 160$ board and 55$ cooler, might as well get 5600x and 100$ b550 and 30$ cooler or go 12600k

[vast meadow]

Correct but ehh pcie 3.0 can't even be fully used by a 3090 and unless you do a lot of constant read write, no noticeable effect on ssds

[cerulean wadi]

Oh, I was seeing i7-10700 and i5-11600k, oops. They & the 12600 are all $220 ish 😅 @vast meadow yea, i was reading on nvme drives. pcie 3 is fast, 4.0 is nutto.

[shy wyvern]

And PCIE 5.0 is absurd

PCIE 5.0 x4 has same bandwidth as PCIE 3.0 x 16. You could run a 3090 on a x4 link lol

[vast meadow]

I mean you could probably run a 3090 on pcie 4x4 full speed

[shy wyvern]

Idk if you'd be able to run it at full speed for a 3090

Would probably be close though

[vast meadow]

At least very close to full speed

[subtle crow]

So, cards can’t really utilize pcie 5.0

Is there going to be a major speed boost for NVMe drives on 5.0?

[cursive epoch]

pcie 5.0 actually has some improvements

so future gpus could benefit from it

also no, i doubt it for ssds

[subtle crow]

Shame

Half second software startup times would be very convenient

[vast meadow]

They can't utilise full pcie 3x16 yet so no

[cursive epoch]

ssds doesn't even saturate 3.0

ones we have for consumer ofc

[subtle crow]

AMD Ryzen CPUs Continue to Sell Almost 6x More than Intel Alder Lake-S [MF, Germany] | Hardware Times

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-ryzen-cpus-continue-to-sell-almost-6x-more-than-intel-alder-lake-s-mf-germany/

[cursive epoch]

not surprising

besides this is combining anything ryzen, not locked to one gen

alder lake got out very recently lel

doesn't make sense to hop to alder lake when many have hopped on the ryzen train ngl

[wind nest]

I have.. I love my ryzen 7 3700x

[wind nest]

That’s me

[warm bolt]

It's new tech with stuff not released for it at new tech prices and not calibrated.. also ryzen cpus prices have been dropping slightly or on sale with new intel cpus out.

[vast meadow]

stuff is released for it but yeah id say ppl that havent seen benchmarks or dont realise may be waiting for ddr5

[warm bolt]

Yoo @ newegg can ya'll switch this ddr5 back to preorder so I can just submit the preorder and stop checking it every 10 minutes?

Oh they actually have an account here oops.

[vast meadow]

they dont check pings in here afaik, but some are in the shuffle atm apparantly

[warm bolt]

Nah I mean like ddr5 isn't even available and it's new.

It's out but not available.

[vast meadow]

yes some ddr5 is in the shuffle now

[finite elm]

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-liquid-cooling-system-masterliquid-ml280-mirror/p/N82E16835103312 @vast meadow

50$ for a 280mm AIO

[vast meadow]

ntb, if only CM aios didnt have a tendancy to leak lol

[finite elm]

Oh lol

[vast meadow]

idk if they fixed with those models but i wouldnt riskj

[finite elm]

thats fair lol

[cerulean wadi]

@vast meadow ok, that helps. 11 was a tick, 12 is the tock. Well how cheap would an i7-11 have to be, $50 less? Perhaps it's not worth that to upgrade so far for a gen behind current. I didn't want Win 11, what's your opinion on that deal?
--Thnx.

[vast meadow]

It depends, 50$ cheaper than what?

[cerulean wadi]

The 126. I wonder how long the $230 sale is too.

[quartz citrus]

I just scored a 12900K from the Shuffle - should I build with it? Torn.

[finite elm]

I decided against it yesterday.

Next CPU i buy will be a am5 Apu.

[cerulean wadi]

@quartz citrus lol, you still paid for it though? Thnx for not saying " I won" it. 5950X is really good though. I'm super unfamiliar w/ various amd stuff I'll admit.

[vast meadow]

Damm where you finding the 12600k for 230$ that's a steal, I'd say if you could get 12600k for 230$ to consider the 11700k you'd want it to be like 180$ ye

[vast meadow]

If you already have 5950x, no

[quartz citrus]

@cerulean wadi right, not a win really at all. And kinda happy w/ my current build, just got the 3080 Ti a few weeks ago off the Shuffle as well. Shuffle has been very good to me...

@vast meadow my other thought was to build a nice rig and sell it, assuming I can snag a GPU

[vast meadow]

I mean you've already got a 3080 ti 🤣

[quartz citrus]

the hell of it is that I just sold my old GPU (3070) on eBay to help fund this new one

[vast meadow]

Honestly very little point to go 12900k from 5950x

[quartz citrus]

that's pretty much where I am too

[vast meadow]

If you do editing then I'd wait for 13900k/am5

[quartz citrus]

I don't, just gaming & video encoding/ripping occasionally

[cerulean wadi]

I'm so dumb, the 11600K is $230... oops. Can do a $150 mobo though. So 116k vs 117, or 126K for $100+ more.

[cerulean wadi]

Imagine gpus double or triple the cost of my lil old 1080 😂 (before selling previous gpu). I bet that setup rocks thougj

[quartz citrus]

Tell me about it, still kind of smarting from that one

build details: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/L4V7YJ

[cerulean wadi]

@quartz citrus people say hobby, but personally have a hard time seeing gpu prices near 4 digits. Previous gpu was a 970 😅

[quartz citrus]

there's nothing affordable about this anymore, truly - I could never in a thousand years have done this 20 years ago, fortunately I can now

[cerulean wadi]

Well you didn't waste $1k on an intel extreme edition so that's good. Price/perf sure has exponentially changed at least. 5950X is 16 cores, wow. How do you like the cpu cooler? I'm debating trying an aio. Might be a 360mm one that's on sale.

[quartz citrus]

Pretty happy with this AiO, it was an emergency Best Buy trip when my old one died but hard to go wrong w/ Corsair

[finite elm]

I also have a Corsair AIO on my 5950x build 🤣 i hate their software

[vast meadow]

Then no reason to upgrade

[naive pendant]

i'd replace my 240clc i use in my personal system with my 360clc, but that 360clc is now caked in dried salt

💀

[vast meadow]

Imo 11600k would have to be 190$ to get over a 5600x or 12600k on the higher end

[pale fox]

So I got a pc (built it my self) and it won't turn on but I don't know if it's either my cpu or my mobo because on my cpu it has bendy pins and I used tweezers plus heat to put them straight but on my mobo i used wet wipes to clean the am4 socket and some thermal paste on the board (while it was off) and I was wondering if It was both or one of the part

Could anyone help out if they can

[severe pivot]

Lmao. It could be a lot of things. Is it just not posting?

Are fans spinning and lights on?

[pale fox]

Nah nothing is on

Idk If I have to replace my mobo

[quartz citrus]

let's not be hasty! could be other things far less serious

you're sure the power switch at the back of the power supply is on?

[pale fox]

Yes

[quartz citrus]

ok

have you checked that all of the CPU/Mobo power cables are seated properly?

[pale fox]

Yup

[quartz citrus]

have you tried jumping the power pins directly rather than using the power button?

(or if your mobo has an on-board power switch that works too)

[pale fox]

With a screwdriver

[quartz citrus]

right

[pale fox]

I have but doesn't work

[quartz citrus]

ok

so we can probably rule out PSU or power button

[pale fox]

I mean I got a feeling it was the cpu cooler

[quartz citrus]

and you say it's not even humming to life a little when you hit the switch?

[severe pivot]

Can u post pics of all your connections?

From psu to mobo

[pale fox]

Well when I turned on and off the power button little bit of the rgb fans showed

[quartz citrus]

yes, pics would help

[pale fox]

Well that's a problem,

[quartz citrus]

it sounds like you had a bit of a mess with the CPU and socket too, I might unseat/reseat that sucker and maybe try it without the cooler on for a sec just to see if it POSTs

won't kill it

[pale fox]

The pc isn't currently at my home

[quartz citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-problem-gill-scott-bill-burr-saturday-night-live-thats-the-issue-gif-18836785

[pale fox]

The thing is with my cooler it sucked out my cpu when it was in the socket (with thermal paste)

Sooo

[quartz citrus]

that shouldn't really be possible I don't think! may indicate the CPU isn't seated in there properly

I'd definitely take the CPU assembly apart, clean it off, check for bent pins, and try seating it again, then do a quick POST test w/o the cooler

(good for you for fixing those initially btw, that's tricky stuff)

[pale fox]

If it bent alot of pins

Is it dead or?

[quartz citrus]

I mean, I wouldn't feel too optimistic if many pins were bent - you can fix one or two, but several becomes pretty tricky

I've never had to fix more than one though so who am I to say, others here may be more experienced

[pale fox]

Should I sent my mobo back for repair if that's the best option?

[quartz citrus]

yes but only if you rule out everything else - from what you're saying I'm not confident that CPU is a happy camper just yet

not saying the mobo is definitely good, but you haven't exhausted your options yet!

here's a good Asus page on troubleshooting: https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1042632

next time you're with the box try reseating the CPU - carefully! And make sure that clamp is fully down and locked

also double check that the white dot corner is aligned properly

[pale fox]

If I can get a picture, would that help u out?

Of the mobo

[quartz citrus]

sure, there are no doubt plenty of us here who could take a look

[pale fox]

Yeah, the mobo is b550 arous elite

So that's the socket

I took everything out before I went , if your wondering why where's everything

@quartz citrus

[cyan raft]

Nope actually quite a common thing with ryzen cpus if they are cold when they are being taken out

AMD motherboards don’t have pins…

What’s that white stuff on the socket?

[pale fox]

Thermal paste

[cyan raft]

Better start cleaning it off

Good chance that may be the problem

Can you send a pic of the CPU?

[pale fox]

I'll ask for a pic then

[pale fox]

Some of those pins I put them back to place (before) but at the time I coudlnt be asked to do another 2 or 3 pins

[pale fox]

Basically the cpu got sucked out of place bc of the cooler 2nd time

I'm just thinking to get a repair for the mobo and get a replacement for cpu

@cyan raft what do u think?

[spiral sapphire]

Well I got an MSi 3080 Ti and now I’m wondering if I need to upgrade my CPU to keep up with it or if the ole i7-9700k is plenty.

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on what you play but 9700k is probably ok if you play at 1440p or 4k

[spiral sapphire]

Only game that would be anywhere near building heat would be some WarThunder @1440p

[grizzled bloom]

That's a little more CPU reliant. Your CPU could hold back the 3080 ti a bit in that case, but not too badly I'd think.

[quartz citrus]

I have a 12900K I could sell you...but there's the mobo issue 🤔

[vernal cosmos]

Theres also rule 9

[cursive epoch]

^

[severe pivot]

Try to put the pins back in place.

Where is your CPU mounting bracket? @pale fox

[wraith bay]

gay

[devout moth]

auztiin500#8244 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

auztiin500#8244 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[restive minnow]

Afternoon all. So, I look at this: https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/memory/ And I wonder what memory would be worth getting, and what's a hard pass. I know there are really only 3 mfgs making RAM, but that doesn't make em all the same. Anyone have any opinions on the matter?

honestly, right now it almost feels like "Doesn't matter. Get DDR5 of any kind so you can boot your system and move on with your life" but I hate buying things twice, ya know?

[vast meadow]

I'd aim for something like 5200mhz cl38 at least

[restive minnow]

For sure. I'd love some of that 7000mhz goodness at CL38 that G.Skill was touting. But you know...it'd have to...uh...ship

🙂

[vast meadow]

Fastest I've seen is like 6200mhz cl38 i think or something, haven't seen anything hit 7000

[restive minnow]

https://www.pcgamer.com/gskill-has-already-pushed-its-ddr5-ram-to-a-whopping-7000mhz/

[vast meadow]

That's a manual oc tho

[restive minnow]

True. Honestly, I'm not an overclocker either. shrug I just want stable and fast

[cursive flame]

Looking for compatible RAM for Ryzen 9 5900x CPU and an Asus x570 Pro Art WiFi. Does anyone have any recommendations?

[vast meadow]

How much ram you looking for?

And what country you in?

[oblique haven]

Zen 3 is starting to go on fire sale in Canada: in particular, the 5800X (~$330 US) and 5900X (~$480 US) are extremely competitive against the 12600K and 12700K. I’ve heard similar or even better prices can be found in the US.

[vast meadow]

Wouldn't consider that fire sale at all considering zen3 is a year old now but that's the same prices as the us sales actually

[tropic silo]

I am having trouble with my new build with my Asus Z590 Plus Wifi motherboard stuck on DRAM and no video etc. Have discussed on build-chat but moving here as this seems more focused on the components I am having an issue with. At this point I either have a bad cpu/memory/motherboard. I would like to try and get ASUS QVL memory. I want 2x32GB. If I select that along with my motherboard it only shows one option CORSAIR CMK64GX4M2C3000C15 (Ver5.49) which doesn't seem very available. Can I use the memory listed for 32GB or 4x32?

[tropic silo]

www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-Gaming-Z590-PLUS-WIFI/HelpDesk_QVL_Memory/

[hollow thorn]

I'd just ask for an RMA with g.skill for a new kit first, since its much more likely the sticks are dead on arrival than incompatible

[tropic silo]

ahh thanks

[hollow thorn]

RMA tends to be you send the sticks in and they send back a replacement

[cerulean wadi]

Did you already try a single stick in various slots? Unlikely, but possible ram is doa. Other times a mobo has a bad slot.

[tropic silo]

yea tried everything (see discussion on build-chat. tried combos of 1 stick, swapping them, 2 sticks in diff slots. resetting cmos, resetting cmos in between changing the memory etc. I removed everything from the motherboard except power, CPU, pwrsw and memory. In everything we do it , the cpu red light blinks, then goes to the yellow dram and thats it. No video no beeps nothing

[cerulean wadi]

Right, darn. Agree w/ Mr1111 then. Always a pain having to rma somethin

[tropic silo]

yea i find it hard tthink two sticks are bad but....

working with newegg now on the rma

[hollow thorn]

Newegg should handle returns, G.skill should handle the RMAs, but yea

[tropic silo]

ok

i did speak with G.skills tech per newegg request, they said since its new to go through newegg

[hollow thorn]

fair

[tropic silo]

ugh have to return it first. so looks like this build is on hold for a couple of weeks 😦

and if its not the memory then we are down to mboard or cpu this could take 6+ weeks ......maybe i shoudl have bought a pre-built

[vast meadow]

You said you ram debug led was lighting up, so highly likely it's that

[tropic silo]

hope so!!! thanks

[vast meadow]

Np

[silk merlin]

Hi. My mobo is a EVGA x99 FTW K. In order to run a second hard drive I got a U.2 Male to M.2 NVMe SSD Adapter. The problem is, I don’t have the cable to plug it into my board. I don’t know which cord I need or if I even can. Any help to buy the right cable to hook this into my board would be appreciated, thank you.

[solar lotus]

Does anyone know how much performance the 12th gen intel chips lose when you disable the e cores in the bios, i think its the e cores that can get disabled in bios correct me if im wrong on windows 10.

[hollow thorn]

Why do you want to disable the e cores..?

[cerulean wadi]

Sometimes E cores are chosen/used when you don't want em. Thread director or w/e software isn't 100% yet.

@solar lotus Seems like 10-15% in some games, but quite a bit more in certain apps.

[hollow thorn]

Software can get you the extra leg for allocating the correct cores to certain tasks, you can just manually tell the chip to allocate specific cores to specific games

[solar lotus]

My bad i didnt specify that it was for windows 10 since windows 10 is having issues realizing that the new 12th gen cpus are one whole cpu instead of two.

[hollow thorn]

win10 has had issues with 12th gen in general tbh

GN said in their review that some games just didn't want to work on w10, not just performance issues

[solar lotus]

True

[cerulean wadi]

@solar lotus this review is pretty good
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/core-i5-12600k-processor-review,9.html

@hollow thorn Think Win11 would also have issues w/ some games?* I'm almost done w/ Win7, but accustomed to nothing but a bsod/freeze once in a blue moon. Well, certain games jave quirks but it's only about osd software/settings. Can't do Discord overlay on Apex for instance

[hollow thorn]

Go anandtech if you want in-depth things :p

but I mean, w11 is fairly stable now

[cerulean wadi]

@hollow thorn Hah, Anandtech is 1 of my favs. Quality over quantity of reviews. Win11 will only get better as well . I figured go win10 w/ an old key then upgrade to 11 for "free" again. 🤘

[hollow thorn]

Anandtech showed some scaling with using different amounts of p/e cores in some tasks iirc

[cursive flame]

I want to get 2) 32gb sticks hopefully 16 cas or less. I was looking at g-skill

USA

[grizzled bloom]

This one would be ok https://pcpartpicker.com/product/29gQzy/gskill-ripjaws-v-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-64gvk

Avoid the 3600 16-22-22 kit

You'll need to do a bit of tuning to get 4000 to work with the 5900X but we can help with that

[cursive epoch]

https://youtu.be/OAL8q2qaqWE

nice

[vast meadow]

Micron die moment x)

[cursive epoch]

also yeah this oc is done with intel

why'd i say that-

only ddr5 platform available rn is intel obviously lmao

[vernal cosmos]

No it could be done on am4

[cursive epoch]

i feel dumb

[vernal cosmos]

What u on about

[cursive epoch]

well ddr4 yes

ddr4 can run at that speed

[vernal cosmos]

No no no

Ddr5 on am4 when

[cursive epoch]

kek

[dense frost]

never

[vernal cosmos]

I know

Is sadge

I wanted to run frequencies that if wont boot at even desynced

Im sad that I cant

[dense frost]

sorry, im dumb too

[vernal cosmos]

Hi dumb too im dumb cat

[dense frost]

🤣

[dense frost]

considering that HyperX sells a DDR4 4600Mhz CL19 kit, am I silly for thinking this is not impressive?

[cursive epoch]

it's early ddr5

so yeah

[vast meadow]

Pcie to ddr5 adapter

[vernal cosmos]

Ramdisk momen

[vivid lynx]

Can't wait for me new mobo to arrive

[plush lance]

My mobo in my PC failed need to buy a new one have an a88 pro with fm2 socket I want to keep the same CPU and cooler. Do I need to buy another fm2 board or is there another type of board I can use?

[vast meadow]

Fm2 is so old that unless you find a cheap one off ebay and you really can't afford to upgrade to something like an i3 10100 for like 250$ it's not worth it

[tropic silo]

so what happens if i have the the cmos shorted and I apply power? The manual says short the two pins. then plug in the power cord. I followed it literally. I found a different link that says short for 5-10 seconds then remove it. Brilliant manual ASUS brilliant

[vast meadow]

If shorting the pins doesn't matter if plugged into wall

[naive pendant]

do you live near a microcenter?

[grizzled bloom]

Some boards want you to have the psu plugged in while you short so it goes to ground

[plush lance]

@naive pendant the closest one is 5 hrs away

[naive pendant]

id honestly recommend just upgrading your system

[plush lance]

@vast meadow and thanks I found one for 80 bucks on Newegg and it's a budget build for my daughter for Minecraft and Roblox so not looking to upgrade it just yet

[naive pendant]

yikes 80 usd

[plush lance]

Thanks I'll look for some combo package too

[vast meadow]

I'd really consider looking on ebay etc, 80$ is a rip off

[naive pendant]

^

[vast meadow]

Fm2 literally was last relevant like 10 years ago that should be like 40$ max imo

[plush lance]

K thanks for the info I'll keep looking and check Black Friday deals on a new Mobo and cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Much better deal https://www.ebay.com/itm/174978127923?hash=item28bd825833:g:EGcAAOSw~2dhaRz0

[plain lance]

I was looking at the i5 12600k and would it even be worth trying to find ddr5 or just go with a ddr4 mobo I’m still with ddr3 a little outdated

[grizzled bloom]

DDR4 is just as good on that chip

[vast meadow]

Just get some 3600mhz cl16 or something

[cerulean plinth]

hey anyone here can tell me what a good ssd for my envy 360x

[upper wind]

hey, sorry if this isnt the spot for it but is there a way to tell how many pins my ram has? cus i want to buy more ram i only have 8gigs atm and would like to at least go to 16, i know that it is at least ddr3 1333mhz dimm installed(according to task manager) i would like a new pc but just dont really have more then 1k to spend on it so i figured for now a temp fix would be to just get some more ram

[wind karma]

You might get a decent CPU perf boost by just adding another stick of ddr3 1333mhz ram. If you wanted to use higher speeds you would need to figure out what speeds the CPU supports

[upper wind]

yea but how do i tell what pins my ram has

cus isnt there 204 and 240 pin ddr3

[grizzled bloom]

The lower amount of pins is for laptops and other small form factor boards. They're referred to as so-dimn instead of dimm.

[upper wind]

oh so its 240 then

since its a full size desktop

[wind karma]

Yes

[upper wind]

thank you

in my older system, is it worth it putting 32g of ram in it? it says i have 4 slots 1 of which is used currently with 8g of ram

[wind karma]

I doubt it

[upper wind]

ok so 16 should be fine

[wind karma]

Unless you're doing a lot of workstation stuff

[upper wind]

mostly just gaming

[wind karma]

16 is great for gaming

[upper wind]

ok thanks

[wind karma]

np

[rapid mortar]

whats a good option for a bricked mobo?

got it for free with a cpu i bought and was curious what i could do with it

[dim cloak]

Wall art probably

[grizzled bloom]

If it has flashback you may be able to fix it, but if not it's toast without micro soldering

It's possible depending on brand to get a replacement if it's within warranty period of manufacture date and you have the original box

[rapid mortar]

yeah previous tech guy who had it said msi said they cant do anything about it for some reason and he said soldering would be about the only way

and i dont know anyone who knows how to do that lol

[rose tangle]

Im not sure if this is where to post but I am looking to upgrade my sons motherboard adn cpu and need some help

[grizzled bloom]

Upgrade from what and what's your budget?

[warm bolt]

Chances newegg drops ddr5 at midnight?

[vivid anvil]

:8ball: | Better not tell you now, Fal'Cie

[grizzled bloom]

Sounds like bad news

[warm bolt]

😦

[wind karma]

This is a good place to ask. If you can provide his CPU, Mobo, and what he uses the PC for, that would help a lot

[spiral sapphire]

The turtle was right.

[grizzled bloom]

Wegg is on PST, 3 more hours to midnight

[warm bolt]

Ahh wtf

I ain't staying up. I got to get up to go to bb in the morning to see if they have any gpus.

[shy wyvern]

Well y'all be willing to help me get my ddr4 4400 cl19 to work on my computer tomorrow? Everyone says the viper steel kits need some work to get running at their xmp speeds

[cerulean wadi]

For example, I recently went to 32GB ram & barely hit 12GB in any game I've played this month. 16GB is plenty for gaming.

[umbral finch]

what is the highest performing cpu rn

threadreapers or alder lake doesnt matter any cpu that can be placed into a mother board

[cerulean wadi]

Normal consumer grade, either a thread ripper or the i9-12xxx. Alder lake i5 also beats most older i7/i9

[vast meadow]

I9 12900k in games

The threadripper with 64 core for multi threaded applications

[naive pendant]

what about epyc 🤓

[vast meadow]

afaik the 3990x wins if you dont need the pcie lanes

[mystic inlet]

Put a lot of new rgb into my pc and need to get new memory to match ( my Trident Z Royal now stick out) looking for some good rgb in the pastel color from 3200 to 4000 16gb or 32gb sticks any suggestion?

[vast meadow]

pastel colour? ive never seen pastel coloured ram tbh with you

[cursive epoch]

^

[mystic inlet]

The lighter color pretty much like most rgb but my royals are bright

Maybe because of the glass on the royals makes it look that way need the glow stick most of the other rgb has now to match

[vast meadow]

if im understanding you correctly, the rgb on your ram is to strong for your liking?

[winged egret]

Hi there,

I've searched which motherboad matches with "Intel Core i9-11900K - Core i9 11th Gen Rocket Lake 8-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1200" and it has came up "GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE AX LGA 1200".

But, on the other hand the profile on Newegg.ca for that intel core i9 says that this Ram matches better "CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)"

while "GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE AX LGA 1200" says this Ram "G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4266 (PC4 34100)" matches better with it.

I’m confused. Will you please help!!

[vast meadow]

well i wouldnt go with the 11900k in the first place tbh, whats your budget and use case and i can help you out with choosing motherboard and ram

[vernal cosmos]

11900k sucks yeah

[winged egret]

well, thanks for you answer. My main reason to purchase a new system is regarding the need for two libraries CUDA and CUDNN for a field of analysis, and these two are only supported by NVIDIA gpus'. So, I would need a gpu too. but I would go after it in the next couple of months. I'm not sure if gpu selection is bounded with this topic.

[winged egret]

I'm short on budget, if I can set the gpu aside, I can't look after anything more than 3.0, 3.1k

For the motherboard, ram, and cpu, I'm looking for something around 1.4k in total, the rest are gonna be other things except gpu.

[vast meadow]

id probs do this then, https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Pr9Pt8

[winged egret]

I'm not aware of 11900k details of problems, but one good thing is, it has an integrated gpu

[vast meadow]

its an overpriced hot 11700k

and the 11700k wasnt very good either

[winged egret]

thanks for the info

[vast meadow]

np

[winged egret]

thanks for the design, appreciate it.

[vast meadow]

np :)

[umbral finch]

can i water cool ram

[vast meadow]

Technically yes

[devout moth]

ILoveMsr#1030 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

ILoveMsr#1030 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[rocky beacon]

There's not much of a reason to for any normal gamer or computer user

[vast meadow]

Even if you're overclocking your ram there's not really a point

[finite elm]

What games are you playing where the max was 12gbs?

Warzone, battlefield, modded Skyrim, etc will easily pull 16 if you have 16 to use.

[vast meadow]

I don't think i use over 10 tbh

[finite elm]

Just put your PC in a mineral oil bath and use it that way. No air or water cooling needed.

[mystic inlet]

Yeah it doesn't fit the other rgb. I love these trident Z royals and they look great till you have to much other rgb around them and then they kind of clash a little

[shy wyvern]

GUYS MY $100 MEMORY KIT IS HERE LETS GO

[vast meadow]

Have you tried changing the RGB colours?

[vast meadow]

Nice, what's the timings, all i see is 4400mhz

[shy wyvern]

Cl19

So like not the best but a big step up from my 3000 cl16

That I got like 4 years ago

I don't think it's too bad for $25 a stick

It matches the color scheme pretty well!

Uhhhh

I didn't think about this

The dimms are too tall for my fan to fit...

Would having my fan in a pull configuration be much worse for cooling?

Because it won't fit with how Stoopid tall these dimms are

[faint fable]

push or pull doesn't matter

[shy wyvern]

Oh really?

[faint fable]

either way, air is going to be going through the cooler

[shy wyvern]

Going to be weird having it in pull

[faint fable]

still better than nothing 🙂

[shy wyvern]

Yeah, it is

I just happy I'm going from 3000mhz to 4400

For $25 an 8gb stick too, was a steal

[faint fable]

Pretty clean looking build btw, what case is that?

[shy wyvern]

Bequiet purebase 500 dx

I'm very against fan noise when I'm not gaming

This thing is near silent at 100% CPU load in the middle of the night

It also suppresses my hard drives so much I can't even hear them spin up

I dislike RGB so I went with a dark theme

Much more muted

[faint fable]

same 😄

[burnt spear]

anyone know what ram dies asus laptops and corsair ram use?

[burnt spear]

nvm

[shy wyvern]

What do you guys think the odds of this kit running the 4400mhz xmp out of the box would be? Everyone says this kit requires tuning

4400 has to be in gear 2 for a 12600k, right?

For ddr4

Idk how high the CPU imc goes to match-

Idk if this seems good. And yeah, it won't go above 3866 automatically without me setting it to gear 2

Let's see if it boots

It's taking a while to load windows...

I got past the bios then hit a black screen. No blue screen

OMG when I plugged in new memory it reset my boot order

FFS

Why is that a thing

I'm in windows

Silly windows

And I green screened immediately

Bios told me ram won't run and it's defaulted the values :/

4266 doesn't run either, which is the second memory profile

[vast meadow]

Doesn't matter for aios* for tower it does

[vast meadow]

Ehh so youll want the fan facing so the x on the back of the fan is facing the heatsink

[shy wyvern]

But the fan only spins ones way so wouldn't that blow air towards the front of the case?

Also I can't get this ram to heccin boot

[vast meadow]

Nope, fans flow air like this

[vast meadow]

Try 1.1v soc

[shy wyvern]

Idek where that is on my bios

It's not in advanced dram config or voltage settings

[vast meadow]

Might be called soc voltage, if you wanna send a pic of the advanced ram settings in bios I'll have a look

[shy wyvern]

All my voltage settings

And let me show you ram settings

Everything else is sub timing or boot stuff like safe retry

[vast meadow]

Um what does your main bios screen look like?

[shy wyvern]

Let me show you in like an hour

I gotta pick up my sister from work really fast

[vast meadow]

Okay

[cerulean wadi]

I don't have many newer games. It was probably Apex, & the settings are not maxed for the 3550. I should've said 1080P w/ most games, 16GB is fine, but anything higher would be good w/ more ram. Personally the extra ddr3 was only $40 so I figured why not.
--I'll play a few games this weekend incl gta 5 & see what I have will hit the highest.

[devout moth]

SNOWCOLD#5882 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

SNOWCOLD#5882 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[vast meadow]

I'm not too sure where it is in msi bios, I don't have time to search @limber dragon probs knows where vsoc is in msi bios

[shy wyvern]

Alright I'm legit searching and don't see soc voltage / vsoc

I thought it'd be in the memory since it involves memory controller and stuff, right? Or in voltages... It's not in either

Well time to just raise every single voltage, one of them has to be it.

[limber dragon]

msi soc voltage = nb voltage

[shy wyvern]

I don't see nb voltage anywhere...

[shy wyvern]

Here's all the voltage settings

[hollow thorn]

I have a MSI board, I'll go searching for you rq

Well, I forgot I gave the stripped down bios, but this is where it is for me:

[shy wyvern]

Odd

What do I do if I just don't have a nb/soc voltage option...

I'm getting upset from not being able to find it

[limber dragon]

are you on an am4 system?

[shy wyvern]

Intel

Pato told.me to change it

Is it not on Intel systems? XD

[limber dragon]

..........

[shy wyvern]

Pato is the one that told me to do it knowing what CPU I'm on

[limber dragon]

still not certain why pato has techie tbh

[shy wyvern]

I'm very new to memory nonsense

[shy wyvern]

@vast meadow

[limber dragon]

soc = amd
vccsa/vccio = intel

[shy wyvern]

Ohhhh

[vast meadow]

Woops sorry same difference tho

[shy wyvern]

I still don't see that in here

[vast meadow]

Thanks 🙃

[shy wyvern]

That image contains all my voltage options

[limber dragon]

you told someone on an intel system to find soc voltage.....

[neat sedge]

i think my cpu is getting old, my computer is laggy and i just upgraded all my parts a few months ago so i think its just my cpu. any recommendation for a new and good cpu? currently i have an intel i7-8700k 3.70ghz

[shy wyvern]

I just upgraded from an 8600k to a 12600k and it's been amazing

[vast meadow]

Same difference, forgot it was an amd only thing i aint perfect lol

[shy wyvern]

Which one of these is the one I mess with Lol

[neat sedge]

does it matter what kinda motherboard i have?

[shy wyvern]

You'll need a new one for a new CPU no matter what. I went with a "cheap" $220 z690 board

[neat sedge]

oh god.. im gonna need a new motherboard?!

[shy wyvern]

Yeah. Intel do be like that

[cerulean wadi]

W/o a new mobo, only upgrade would be i7 8gen or maybe a 9gen. Intel is like 2 cpu gen per mobo chipset

[neat sedge]

what about ryzen cpu?

[shy wyvern]

You'd still need a new board

Just amd usually supports more generations per board

[cerulean wadi]

At least you don't have the gen where i5 to i7 is just more cache and threads 😅

[shy wyvern]

You're still rocking a 3550?

I'm sorry for your loss

@vast meadow @limber dragon is CPU SA what I'm looking for? If so it's set to 1.2, what should I change it too? It's short for VCCSA I believe.

Just trying to get my xmp to work XD

[limber dragon]

vccsa = system agent voltage

[shy wyvern]

Is that what I'm looking for?

[limber dragon]

maybe, havent been paying attention

[shy wyvern]

Idek what I'm supposed to raise for the memory controller

[limber dragon]

what's the xmp profile?

[shy wyvern]

4400 19-19-19-39 1.45v

[limber dragon]

set gear mode to 2

[shy wyvern]

I had it set to gear 2 and it still not booting

Yeag

I did

Does not like it still

[limber dragon]

do you have vccio 2?

[shy wyvern]

No

Just sa, no IO

[limber dragon]

huh

[shy wyvern]

This is all my voltages

I'm in "expert" (all options shown)

[limber dragon]

oh, they renamed it to vddq

[shy wyvern]

Ah

Why do they rename things, it makes guides impossible to follow

[limber dragon]

go 1.4 vddq

[shy wyvern]

Oh it's not even orange for 1.4

[stiff kraken]

banning pato

[shy wyvern]

It's bright red

[limber dragon]

on 12th gen its vddq, but you're using the 11th gen imc, so I assumed they would use the 11th gen name

[stiff kraken]

how dare a techie make a mistake

[shy wyvern]

You sure 1.4 safe?

[stiff kraken]

calling police on him irl

[shy wyvern]

Motherboard is warning me against it lol

[stiff kraken]

doesn't alder lake set 1.8 vccsa/io on boot lol

[shy wyvern]

1.2 stock

1.4 is red

[stiff kraken]

i remember translating an article from chinese about it

it sets 1.8 at boot before using FIVR to kick it down to 1.2

[shy wyvern]

It angy

[vast meadow]

My address is 69 mistake st, co imperfect fyi so you can tell them

[stiff kraken]

no need, i'm already outside your door

[shy wyvern]

Let's try it anyways, can just buy a new board if it fries something ig

[stiff kraken]

i sentence you to having your entire pc replaced with c*rsair

[vast meadow]

👀

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[stiff kraken]

rubs vengeance lpx 3200c16 mixed die sticks together in anticipation

[shy wyvern]

Should I'd do 33x1.33 or 44x1.00? Does it matter?

[stiff kraken]

do 33x1.33

[vast meadow]

Me who already has those just not mixed kits

https://tenor.com/view/scared-paranoid-omg-new-girl-nick-miller-gif-4578356

[shy wyvern]

Here goes nothing

[stiff kraken]

don't worry... you're going to get one stick of c-die and one stick of hynix mfr

[shy wyvern]

Hey it didn't crash on boot

[vast meadow]

You sick **

[shy wyvern]

That's promising

Nope didn't work

[stiff kraken]

i'm then going to hack your amazon account and spend all of your money on $300 ryzen 5 3600s

[shy wyvern]

I green screened at 1.4v @limber dragon

[stiff kraken]

green screen 👁️

[shy wyvern]

Insider builds

[stiff kraken]

i got a red screen the other day

[shy wyvern]

Lol it booted and broke

[vast meadow]

Omg disc makes me not able to use multiple *'s ree

[shy wyvern]

What

It booted!

[shy wyvern]

What do I do to check stability because I'm betting you it's not stable

[stiff kraken]

probably not

[shy wyvern]

Lmao it jot

I just got an irql gsod

Okay raising the voltage helped a little

What else do I do?

[stiff kraken]

use testmem5 anta777 extreme1 as an initial test

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[shy wyvern]

My blue screens of death are green because I'm a windows insider still

[vast meadow]

Pls ban instead 🙏

[shy wyvern]

1.4 volts got me to boot for 20 seconds

[stiff kraken]

LOL

a fate worse than death

$300 ryzen 5 3600

[shy wyvern]

Who TF buys a 3600 nowadays

Just by a 5600g

[stiff kraken]

you'd be surprised

[shy wyvern]

Like they're the same price on Amazon!!

[stiff kraken]

3600 is still the #3 best seller i think

[shy wyvern]

There's no way

Aren't they like the same price??

[stiff kraken]

too much youtube hype from 2018

from anandtech 4 days ago

[shy wyvern]

Okay @limber dragon @vast meadow 1.4v on vddq at least got me into windows for a few seconds, what next? Raise it more?

[limber dragon]

yeah, like 1.425/1.43

[shy wyvern]

The 5600g is no cap $3 cheaper than the 3600...

On Amazon

[shy wyvern]

Alright

[stiff kraken]

but youtuber said 3600 good!!!

[shy wyvern]

LOL

[vast meadow]

Lemme go throw up rq

[shy wyvern]

Who in there right mind spends more for a 3600

[vast meadow]

Ouch

[vast meadow]

video is 3 years old

[shy wyvern]

Current 5600g price

I'm in windows again

[vast meadow]

Painful world

[shy wyvern]

Welp

I crashed again

Looking kinda bleak for running this ram at XMP

1.43v on memory controller time ig

Ha I caught the error this time

[vast meadow]

Try 1.435v now

[shy wyvern]

At what point do I fry everything

[vast meadow]

Also you'll wanna run the bat file in #windows-ios often btw

[shy wyvern]

I will

Time to set it to 2 volts and get it over with

[cerulean wadi]

can I dm? I have some more input about cpu/mobo upgrade.

[vast meadow]

Haven't looked into the voltages for that on intel in a bit but going up in .005 increments should be fine ye

[shy wyvern]

Woah

I'm in!

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[shy wyvern]

Uhhhh

XTU and MSI center both crashed on startup

I'm betting this isn't stable

They don't usually do that

I legit just opened memtest

Didn't even run it

And my computer crashed LOL

Okay I'm at 1.44 volts and got like many errors then a crash lol

What is the upper limit for the voltage?

[vast meadow]

Fyi 1 error = fail so you can just stop straight away

[shy wyvern]

Should I try raising dram voltage at all either?

Or do I just keep feeding the memory controller more and more voltage

I'm already at 1.44v

Should I got 1.445? Then 1.45? What's the limit I should be considering

Time to just do more voltage ig

I'm crashing at 1.445 volts

@vast meadow I'm even erroring at 4000 mhz cl 19 .-.

Should I keep raising it from 1.445v?

[vast meadow]

I'm not quite sure sorry, and i should have been asleep in like 1hr ago

[shy wyvern]

All good

I'll bug fitz

I'mma make sure they work at 2400mhz really quick

Should've done that first tbh

@limber dragon what should be the maximum voltage on vddq?

It's not stable at 1.445 4000mhz

I am currently confirming non of the sticks are faulty by doing a mem test at 2400mhz

Been 5 minutes no errors yet, I'll leave it going for like 20 more minutes just to make sure I don't error

And repair my windows install since crashing 30+ times probably broke some things lol

Oh it finished. Says no errors detected. So it's not the sticks

Are there any other voltages to mess with to get it stable? XD

[stray raptor]

Ive never gone above 1.5v on RAM

I ran DDR3 1600mhz RAM at 2666mhz at 1.5v

Any Higher in Speed and I would get no boot

[silver sky]

I'm looking for a recommendation for a cpu upgrade for my dad's pc. He has an AMD FX-4130 which is an A3 socket type. I have no idea what his motherboard is to know what other socket types it can accommodate, but it is around 11 years old (was 2nd rate at the time not top of the line). Any recommendations to look into would be appreciated ❤️

[stray raptor]

@silver sky https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/support/cpu_support.php?S_ID=10

just a list of AM3 cpus

[silver sky]

ty

[stray raptor]

your welcome

[shy wyvern]

Not on ram. On memory control. I'm not touching ram voltage, I'm touching vddq voltage

[naive pendant]

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200mhz-desktop-memory-cmk32gx4m2e3200c16/15300640

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3600mhz-desktop-memory-cmw32gx4m2d3600c18/15300643

Is the extra 35 bucks worth it?

For 3600?

[cursive epoch]

Corsair? Nah

Look for crucial ballistix instead

They should be cheaper, unless the corsair's on sale for lower

[warm bolt]

Think I am going to get my mobo tn. What is the difference on the memory standard here? Well I mean what does 1DPC max speed mean? Is that a lane so two sticks or literally only supports one stick at that speed?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144484?Item=N82E16813144484&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-suIdiokyd6uedofNE06Mjg

[hollow thorn]

1dpc stands for 1 dimm per channel

[warm bolt]

So two sticks

[hollow thorn]

Yes, and it lists estimates for if the sticks are single rank or dual rank

[warm bolt]

Between that and this board which would you go?

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-pro/p/N82E16813145345?Item=N82E16813145345&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-aEYAGYl9CM.anA91RzWCRQ

I'm thinking the cheaper board and just buy a strimmer if I want some rgb in the middle board area later.

If I even feel the need for that later.

[hollow thorn]

Aorus pro is good, and don't need rgb :p

[warm bolt]

All of my storage should be compatible right? One sec let me snip.

[hollow thorn]

It's just a bit of... why..?

[warm bolt]

What?

[hollow thorn]

2tb evo plus as a secondary drive

and 4tb wd blue instead of x300

[warm bolt]

what about it?

[hollow thorn]

evo plus is just so unnecessary

but well

[warm bolt]

evo plus is for vms and bunch of other stuff I'll be doing for cbyersecurity stuff. I'm in a club at my school and they have home lab stuff at 1tb of space and want my vms to be fast.

Plus other stuff.

Then the 4tb is for software I'll be building down the line. My programs will be larger.

[hollow thorn]

Yes, but x300 faster drive

[warm bolt]

And backup files. Pics and vids.

[naive pendant]

Crucial is out of budget for me

Corsair is the way

For me

[warm bolt]

Yeah I realized prolly should have gotten a 7400rpm after the fact but that's whatever it's an hdd.

[naive pendant]

Between those 2 though which is better? Is 3600 vs 3200 for a diff of 35 bucks

[hollow thorn]

never, ripjaws are cheaper 95% of the time >:P

[naive pendant]

Best Buy doesn't have ripjaws in 32

I have ripjaws right now

[hollow thorn]

90$ for a kit of 2x16 ripjaws on wegg
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091

[warm bolt]

But otherwise compatible? I'm sure about the M.2 it's a question of if it supports the hdd that I am unsure about.

[hollow thorn]

Either mobo, well, any modern mobo, has plenty of sata ports

[warm bolt]

Aight now I have another question in #old-cooling

[merry marlin]

Hey folks, so i got a technical difficulty as of right now. So todah I bought myself another 2 ram of sticks which is 2x8 16GB Corsair vengance pro, i already had those two already installed so basically why not 4, so i bought it and installed it in. The thing is the RAM is all powered on but it is not detecting by the motherboard so it cant input a display

I tried putting out the new one and keep the old ones on and it still does the same thing

[hollow thorn]

So 2 sticks work but 4 sticks don't?

[merry marlin]

No 2 sticks wont work anymore

I checked if my CPU can take as much and it can (Ryzen 5 3600)

Usually 4 sticks would work

But now all of them wont work

[hollow thorn]

So leave the original 2x8gb sticks in to start off, and clear cmos, and see if it boots

[abstract parrot]

Even old ram won't work?

[merry marlin]

Old ram wont work

Clearing cmos do i jusr pop it out and pop it back in

[abstract parrot]

Unplug power supply for 30 mins also hold power button on for 30 seconds when unplugged

[hollow thorn]

Unplug from wall, take out cmos battery, press the power button, wait about 5 min, put battery back in, plug back in.

[abstract parrot]

Did you ground yourself before trying to install the new ram?

[merry marlin]

Yes

Mobo working fine its just the ram

[cursive epoch]

clearing cmos isn't just turning it off

the way mr111 said is the correct way

[abstract parrot]

Sometimes there is reset button on motherboard too

[hollow thorn]

Battery method tends to be more effective than jumper

[cursive epoch]

^

[merry marlin]

Hold down the power button or just press then wait 5 mins

[hollow thorn]

Press a few times will do

[merry marlin]

I cant take the cmos out but i can pop it out but its still in its place holder

[hollow thorn]

Might need to remove GPU to get it out

[merry marlin]

I already did

[hollow thorn]

..?

[merry marlin]

Theres a level to pop it out but i cant fully take it out

Basically it's technically out???

[hollow thorn]

Take a picture and DM me..?

[merry marlin]

Btw the ram is powered on and everything is too but its just not detectable

So the static didnt occur

And would never

Alright its been some time

Let me put back in the battery and the stuff and see what happens

Nope

Nothing

No damn results

[hollow thorn]

any debug LEDs?

[merry marlin]

Ye

Its just DRAM

Idk ar this point im fine with it not working and all but i just gotta know whats wrong so i can replace it

From the speculation now its most definitely the RAM

not sure because i have extra new ram and if i switched it out its definitely the same results

Which leads me to a dead end

[hollow thorn]

Try just a single stick in slot 2

and then clear cmos again

and prob good to take that time to look around at anything that could've changed when you installed the new sticks

maybe some connectors came loose

[merry marlin]

No connecters came loose, checked when i was waitinf

[naive pendant]

I'm Canadian also I need to buy from best buy

[merry marlin]

100% sure nothing came loose

Its just the ram

Im assuminf its the porta where u place them

But if thats the case then why are the lights powered on

Tch

[hollow thorn]

130cad
https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091

[hollow thorn]

Ram doesn't usually do that

[merry marlin]

Well idk

Im assuming its the dimm slots

If so i just have to replace it

And this stupid case with it too

Never get 220T

matter was well be more off with the nzxt than the 220T

Off topic but yea

[shy wyvern]

Does anyone here know the highest safe voltage for the vddq for alder lake?

I scared to keep pushin

[grizzled bloom]

Alder lake is pretty new territory

[shy wyvern]

I'm at 1.45 volts on vddq

but with that my memory only stable at 4000 cl19

It's a 4400 cl19 kit

I wanna use full power

[grizzled bloom]

It's a different IMC from 11th gen. People are just going to have to experiment until Der8auer or someone figures it all out.

[shy wyvern]

time to keep throwing voltage at it until it fries??

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe not until it fries but go slow bumping it up, watching for heat spikes or stability loss

[limber dragon]

ddr4 imc is the same as 11th gen

just like how even a 9900k has a ddr3 imc

[grizzled bloom]

Is it now? Interesting

I'm not really an Intel overclocker anyway

[shy wyvern]

der8auer says to increase SA voltage too if you're having trouble hitting high memory speeds

worth a shot I guess

I'm watching his 12900k video

[rigid condor]

so i have a question

i have a intel i9 12900k, and no gpu

could i use the integrated graphics to run games?

[cursive epoch]

yes

but only mostly on 720p

and lowered settings

[rigid condor]

dang becuase i have 2 1080p monitors at 240hz

[finite elm]

What happened to your GPU? Or did you never have one?

[burnt spear]

...why spend that much on a build, and monitors, and not get a gpu?

[cursive epoch]

^

[limber dragon]

the year is nearly 2022, gpus launched in mid 2020 are still unobtainable

[vast meadow]

Yeah but you can grab an interim used gpu, even like a 960, way better than uhd 770

[finite elm]

nearly unobtainable

[shy wyvern]

Well

he only has to wait until holiday 2023

for gpus to be in stock

but by then the XX70 series will be $800 msrp

the xx80 series will be $1500

the xx80ti series will be $2250

and the xx90 series will be $4,000

your lowest end card, the xx50 will be $400 msrp

with the xx60 at $600

That's legit my predictions for the 5000 series and beyond

[finite elm]

Ye

[shy wyvern]

they have seen that people will pay 2.5x curren msrp

[finite elm]

And you'll need a 1000+w PSU for the 5070 and up

[shy wyvern]

I'm betting you we'll start to see dual plug PSU's

Just so you can power a 800 watt 5090

[finite elm]

Dual PSU cases 😩 a case that can have 2 psu's

[shy wyvern]

a new 12 volt 36 pin pcie cable

just for the 90 series

OH ACTUALLY

imagine a pc plug in

ON THE GPU

like near the hdmi ports

just for the graphics card

now I'm thinking with innovation

[finite elm]

A power supply directly on the GPU lmao

[shy wyvern]

Yeah because you need 800 watts just for the gpu

I think I just fortold the future omg

I can see it now

[finite elm]

it could be one of the external power supplies like what Xbox Ones and Xbox 360's had 😩

[shy wyvern]

LOL

[finite elm]

The massive brick

[shy wyvern]

could be that an i9 15900k will use 500 watts and require a special custom loop case by "case partners" and because of that

you can fit a i9 and 5090 on a 1200 watt psu

so you HAVE to use the external brick for the gpu

[finite elm]

Oof

The future is bleak

[shy wyvern]

I see the future of tech

and it's MORE POWER

[finite elm]

You won't need to pay for heating in the winter

[shy wyvern]

overclocking? You need a permit for that as it's considered bomb creation

[finite elm]

Just leave your PC on

[shy wyvern]

Good news is

all gpus are available at msrp because mining crypto costs you 2x what it makes

because it's pulling in absurd amounts of electricity

[vast meadow]

5000 wont be out til q3/4 2024 unless they randomly decide to skip a year gap

[finite elm]

Wouldn't they just limit the power to like 25%? :P

[shy wyvern]

Pcie 8.0 is released and now supports 225 watts to peripherals so that you can finally have plug and play gpus again

since 75 watts is unrealistic

[finite elm]

3050 leak is 90w

[shy wyvern]

wtf

[finite elm]

So maybe they can get that down a little bit to 75

[shy wyvern]

but

that just killed

every optiplex upgrade build

like

big sad

[finite elm]

I want a LP GPU

[shy wyvern]

the 75 watt gpus are literally

like

my most purchased class

I've purchased over 30 75 watt and lower cards

[vast meadow]

When pcien8.0 comes out imo 225w will be almost as unrealistic as 75w today lol

[shy wyvern]

LOL

the rtx 5050 only pulls 225 watts!

this is too funny to me

[finite elm]

Rdna2 Apu's might make that unnecessary tbf

If they can optimize them well

[shy wyvern]

depends on if ryzen can get their imc together

for faster memory too

[finite elm]

True

[shy wyvern]

if you can run really fast ddr5 with it, disregarding the timings

you might actually get good performance

ddr5 7200 or something

[finite elm]

Would at least make tiny builds super easy.

[shy wyvern]

Yeah

[finite elm]

I want to put one in a Halo 3 Xbox 360, with like a 500gb SSD just for the Halo games in the living room. Use it for lan parties for no reason other than it's cool

[shy wyvern]

I have a halo 4 360