cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

Shouldn't matter too much at all

[grizzled bloom]

Well, almost as good. 10850 is a low binned 10900 so it won't overclock as well.

[quartz zinc]

1440p is alr

[vast meadow]

10850k is like 100mhz lower but nothing that a overclock wont make up for

[burnt spear]

Yeah I don't see the appeal of 4k

[quartz zinc]

not planning to overclock

[burnt spear]

I'ma be sticking with 1080p and 1440p for until 4k is possible at high fps

[quartz zinc]

4k is a waste of money

[burnt spear]

Yeah high refresh rate is ridiculously priced

[hollow thorn]

For now

[burnt spear]

Yeah ^^

For now is important

Im hoping with the 40 series the 4060 ti or whatever the next 3060 ti is will be able to run strong 1440p

[hollow thorn]

We'll have to see

[burnt spear]

Yeah

[quartz zinc]

how much fps would triple sli kingpin 3090s get on 4k?🤔

[burnt spear]

About 6

[quartz zinc]

lol

[burnt spear]

I still don't understand why they cut support for sli other than 3090

[quartz zinc]

sli 3070’s would be too op for the price

[burnt spear]

Ik games don't support it much anymore

[quartz zinc]

yeah

[burnt spear]

But it'd still be nice

[quartz zinc]

sli is dead

[burnt spear]

Yeah I wish it wasn't

My dream rig back before I knew too much about pcs was dual 1080 tos

Tis

[quartz zinc]

cant you force it or something with a program?

[burnt spear]

I say this like it was years ago, it was 7 months ago lmao

[vast meadow]

Cuz sli dumb

[hollow thorn]

Sli just doesn't work well with things

Afaik it's a pita to program into programs

[vast meadow]

Yep massive pita

[hollow thorn]

And not all implementations are good

[quartz zinc]

why do 360hz monitors exist?

[burnt spear]

Higher frames you see

[vast meadow]

A lot of the time you loose fps or have stupid high input lag yeah

[hollow thorn]

It's Bethesda being Bethesda, but an example is fallout 4 LOSING fps with sli iirc

[burnt spear]

More constant image

[vast meadow]

For csgo and valorant

[burnt spear]

Better for competitive gaming

[quartz zinc]

oh yeah

i need to upgrade my ram soon

[burnt spear]

What is it rn?

[quartz zinc]

im at 2933mhz

[burnt spear]

I tried doing that and mixed ram kits

Didn't know dies mattered

Corrupted my windows and had to format my drives

[hollow thorn]

3600c16 ballistix kit time

Replace ram is better than just adding and mix matching usually

[burnt spear]

As I said, I'm new af to pcs lmao

[quartz zinc]

my pc is trash rn

[burnt spear]

Yeah I learned lmao

[quartz zinc]

i have money to throw around

[burnt spear]

Thought all that mattered was speed and cl

[quartz zinc]

my mobo can only accept 2666mhz currently

[burnt spear]

Ima upgrade to ryzen 7000 when it comes out, so im going to stick with 16 until then

[hollow thorn]

We'll have to see

Maybe Intel will have AMD beat in 2 generations

Or ddr5 turns out to suck

[burnt spear]

True

Oop

[quartz zinc]

i have 2 sticks 3000mhz and another 2 sticks of 2933mhz wirh a mobo that can only accept 2666mhz

[burnt spear]

Didn't mean to reply to that

[vast meadow]

More than just Bethesda will yeah

[quartz zinc]

i mixed ram but i think its alr for now

same brand tho

[burnt spear]

As long as it's the same die

Should be fine then

[quartz zinc]

whats die?

[burnt spear]

I dont even understand it

Same brand should have same die

[quartz zinc]

i thought itll automatically set it to the lowest memory speed on the lowest stick?

[hollow thorn]

The kind of chips that's on the stick

[grizzled bloom]

You'd think, but no. They use whatever meets the spec they need for the cheapest in most cases.

[hollow thorn]

If it does work and decides to be compatible

[hollow thorn]

One word.

Corsair

[burnt spear]

I mixed kits for a while

[quartz zinc]

1 set of sticks is rgb and the other isnt

[burnt spear]

Worked fine

But wanted higher speeds

So I switched to a different kit and kept one I had

Yeah no

For some reason oloy and hp ram worked together

I guess they use the same die

[hollow thorn]

I mean, with those sticks it's always just a guess at what die they actually have

It's not like ballistix with just like rev e or rev b

Those could be cjr djr afr ajr whatever, any hynix or Samsung die, maybe even some micron dies

[burnt spear]

Hp is micron ik that much

[vast meadow]

Laughs in Corsair, gskill, oloy probs too

[vast meadow]

Was that a typhoon burner guess or a sticker?

[limber dragon]

my mom's dell prebuilt came with a stick of micron and a stick of hynix, they put literally anything in that'll do jedec

[vast meadow]

Sounds about right tbh

[burnt spear]

Someone here told me it was micron

[hollow thorn]

Meh, I wouldn't pin it on micron yet

HP probably doesn't tell you die on the stickers

[burnt spear]

Yeah it doesnt

[hollow thorn]

And typhoon is typhoon

[burnt spear]

Neither does gskill apparently

[hollow thorn]

G.skill does, 042 codes

[burnt spear]

Idk what that means

Oh

04266m8810c

[hollow thorn]

Let's see

[limber dragon]

8810c = cdie

[burnt spear]

It's c die and it cost me 75$ used? Oof

[vast meadow]

G skill has a code on the sticker

[hollow thorn]

C die is what it is

[vast meadow]

That's the price of 3200cl16 or 3600cl18 rn...

[burnt spear]

It's 3600cl18

[vast meadow]

Yeah

Yikes

That's the price of a new 3600cl18 kit ahh well

[burnt spear]

Yeah I was looking for one with a decent heat spreader

Which I now know doesn't matter

But someone in another disc told me it does and screwed me over since he didn't know

There was a similar kit i think oloy for 75$ off amazon but whatever

It's done, can't change it

[vast meadow]

Not much difference in all the heat spreaderrs really apart from height

[burnt spear]

Yeah I now know that

[vast meadow]

Ahh well

Idek what they were on about tho cuz ripjaws brand new 3600c18 is 80$ lol

[burnt spear]

I think 90$ now on amazon

Which was the cheapest I could find it

[vast meadow]

@burnt spear https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk

[burnt spear]

guess it went down since i last checked

or im just blind

[vast meadow]

Idk lol mb you misread or a 3rd party seller on Amazon, 90$ will get you ballistix 3600cl16 ram

Ram prices have generally gone up ad well so

[burnt spear]

yeah idk

just hoping to find someone to buy it, asking 60$ local which i think is reasonable

[grizzled bloom]

Just wait until the consumer launch of DDR5, if its anything like the DDR4 launch everything is going to spike double

[burnt spear]

yeah im hoping ddr5 is reasonably priced

tho im waiting a couple years before switching

heck idk if i will im gonna be in college by the time ill be looking to

hoping to use my crypto earnings to upgrade

[grizzled bloom]

Oh definitely, first run is always the low end stuff

[burnt spear]

made 70$ in a month so

3060 ti pog

thats before paying for electricity

so like 60$

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen DDR5 is starting at like 4000 or something, it can only go up from there

[burnt spear]

idk

with ddr4 the slowest speed was the fastest ddr3

so itll prolly be the same thing is my guess

tho i also saw somewhere saying itll be like 12000 or smthn but that seems impossible lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Not likely lol

Maybe by DDR6

Although they've been talking about ditching the DDR design

[vast meadow]

That seems a tad low, what mhs are you getting and how many watts

[vast meadow]

Jdec is like 4000 cl30 tho or something lol

[vast meadow]

Qdr alll the way

[vast meadow]

The highest you should buy for ddr4 is like 3600-3800cl16 imo, but technically there's a few 5400mhz cl26 or something

[burnt spear]

i just changed them, now im getting 500 efficiency or whatever its called

and im not mining 24/7

its just whenever im not using my pc

[vast meadow]

Can you see what your wattage is? Should be around 120w and around 59-60mhs

[burnt spear]

yeah now its 60mh/s and 121w

i can get it higher but i dont want to put my memory above 1300

[vast meadow]

That's fair but I'm doing that and getting like 75€/month ish still

[vast meadow]

Nice

[vast meadow]

Yeah mine did 1350 but too many errors, 1285 is where my 3070 mem hardly gets rejects

[burnt spear]

well slightly over 60mh

yeah i can go upt o 1400 and its fine

but i cant see mem temp

so i dont know how hot that gets

in a day i make 4$ on eth

if i mine 24/7

but the software i use takes a bit more than normal

[vast meadow]

I doubt it's fine for very long, rejects will come by like a regular transaction thingy in the console , usually in red tho

[burnt spear]

bc of the way i have to take it out

[burnt spear]

yeah its fine for like 18 hours+, but im just not sure hot hot it gets

[vast meadow]

Yeah only on 3070 ti and above

[vast meadow]

My guesstimate is 20c above hot spot

I like to keep my core under 40c, or as close to it as possible, about 80% fans until im sleeping, although rn heatwave so fans are at 100% and still above 40c core

[grizzled bloom]

5400 20-28-28-48

[burnt spear]

msi shows mine at 60 normally

58 with the new settings

anything under 70 is safe

[vast meadow]

Ohh okay, thought it was a bit looser lol

[vast meadow]

Yeah when gaming but your memory gets hot while mining not gpu core really, your memory is probs toasting itself, what fan speed are you running on your mining profile?

[burnt spear]

just auto, im in a mining disc theyve helped me with settings

ive been mining since like march without any gpu issues

[vast meadow]

Set your fans to at least locked 70%

Mining on auto is not good, 1 stock curves are usually bleh anyway and 2, that goes off of core temp not memory temp, so your mem is probs running right at 100c or so

[burnt spear]

i have 2 fans right by the gpu as well as a 3 fan card

and the 2 fans that arent by it are blowing right at it anyways

[vast meadow]

Doesn't matter

Those temps are too high for mining, 60% gpu fan speed is the bare minimum for mining but should be 70% or 80% imho

[serene topaz]

What's a good MATX motherboard for an i7 4790

[celest anchor]

link?

[naive pendant]

i think i did it the lazy way, but i fixed a checksum error on my m2n sli lol

Im happy cus it been happening for the past 5 years

[split copper]

GA-H97M-D3H

I wanted to get

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H97M-D3H-rev-10#ov

nice looking board, plenty of fan headers, vrm cooling, two PCIe slots, supports Haswell Refresh out of the box

[cyan raft]

I really hate stupid people, I just got out of an argument with a guy that thinks a 3700x is a better buy for pure gaming just because it is 7nm vs 14nm

[night kite]

Here's something you don't see everyday

That's in a laptop btw

[hybrid leaf]

why

[night kite]

i mean ig if you wanna upgrade to another 3000 series ryzen

one option when i got it was for a 3700 and i think a 3900

[vast meadow]

They would throttle bad i feel

Desktop cpu in laptop doesn't sound very good lol

[grave jackal]

is the i5-11600k @ $269.99 good?
was looking for i5-11500/400 but OOS and the resellers are selling at same price as above

[night kite]

@vast meadow weirdly enough it actually doesnt throttle

[hybrid leaf]

Just find a cheap i7 model

For the flex

Check this out on @Newegg: Intel Core i7-10700F Comet Lake 8-Core 2.9 GHz LGA 1200 65W BX8070110700F Desktop Processor https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-10700f-core-i7-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118131?Item=9SIA24GCYJ2532&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIA24GCYJ2532-_-07172021

[grave jackal]

in the mobos that I've seen usually it says 11th gen to get things like PCIe 4 and stuff does that matter?

[vast meadow]

Meant the 3700 or 3900 lol but probs just doesn't let the 3600 boost

[vast meadow]

Yes a great gaming cpu with a z590 and decent cooler like scythe fuma 2

[grave jackal]

I was recommended to get a b560
this is the build I was going for, replacing i5-11400 to i5-11600 due to availability
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cfr8Vc

[grizzled bloom]

I'd use a different cooler

[vast meadow]

See b560 doesn't allow overclocking and some b560 boards can't handle the 11600k so you kinda want a z590

[grizzled bloom]

I didn't see a k on there

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZxvG8J

For 11600k

I would use the same cooler i gave either way

[grave jackal]

oh okay so b560 board would be good for 11400 but not 11600k?

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[night kite]

@vast meadow naw the 3600 hit max speeds and didn't get too hot but now I wanna try how the 3700 does

[grizzled bloom]

Unless you find 11600 without the k, then B560 still

[grave jackal]

so for either cpu use the cooler you suggested?

[vast meadow]

Not a thing

[grizzled bloom]

Not yet at least

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's a better cooler in every way

[vast meadow]

True but 12th gen soon, i doubt

[grizzled bloom]

"Soon" being 6+ months so there's time

[grave jackal]

thanks for the help guys

[vast meadow]

12th gen is supposed to come September/October afaik

Np

[grave jackal]

@balmy cloak so my current situation is i have a 3080 ti looking to trade for 3070 but if i can't find a trade would the 3080 ti still be good in the build you sent me?

[grizzled bloom]

You'd want to turn down the power limit so you don't trip the protections on the power supply

Not too much, just like 80-85% probably unless you have problems with it shutting off

[cyan raft]

So I’m planning out a mini ITX build I’m going to use for college

Most likely going to major in engineering

[grizzled bloom]

Ooh fun

[cyan raft]

What CPU should I go for? I really don’t know what I should be prioritizing for college

I’m thinking an Intel 10850K

[grizzled bloom]

If you're going to do stuff like cad work lots of cores

[cyan raft]

Yeah that’s true

I could try for a 5950x if I get it for a decent price

Any point to Intel for that?

Well I could wait for 12th gen

[grave jackal]

how hard is this? and does that mean i need more power?

[grizzled bloom]

I wouldn't go lower than 850W for a 3080 ti, but you can easily turn down the power in any overclock software like afterburner

[grave jackal]

so i would be turning down the power of the GPU? sorry total noob here

[cyan raft]

For now I guess I’ll go for a third build with a 5900x

[grizzled bloom]

Based on what's available now I'd do 5900X. It's easier to cool than the 5950X

[cyan raft]

Especially with it being mini ITX

What about a mobo?

Even if it is overkill lol

What’s mini DTX?

[grizzled bloom]

Even smaller

[cyan raft]

Oh jeez

Is the Gigabyte Aorus Pro good?

[vast meadow]

Ehh there's an msi gaming edge mini itx i think

[grizzled bloom]

I'd do asrock b550 phantom gaming

[vast meadow]

That's a decent shout too

[grizzled bloom]

It's a little cheaper than the gaming edge too

[cyan raft]

I don’t think I ever asked this but what are the downsides to a B550 over an X570?

[grizzled bloom]

Only 20 gen 4 pcie lanes

Enough for a gpu and one m.2 card

[cyan raft]

Ahh ok

[grizzled bloom]

So a second m.2 slot would work at gen 3

Besides that it's minor differences like number of usb 3.0 ports possible

X570 is probably a poor choice in itx due to the chipset fan

[grave jackal]

does the thermal paste choice matter?

[grizzled bloom]

The stock paste that comes with the cooler is good. I believe arctic uses one of their decent ones.

[grave jackal]

oh it comes with the cooler not cpu lol thanks

[cerulean fulcrum]

does anyone have a good idea of the best X570 mobo at a 100 - 150 USD price range

[limber dragon]

none? Afaik there are no x570 at that price point due to motherboard quality requirements for the chipset

[grizzled bloom]

Plus B550 is often better and doesn't have a chipset fan

[cerulean fulcrum]

so would the MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI be good

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

Should be good even for a 5950X if you're not overclocking, or a decent overclock on a 5900X

[cerulean fulcrum]

oh cool

so it would be suitable for a 5600x, 1 gpu, and an m.2?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you could max out the overclock on a 5600X and everything

[cerulean fulcrum]

awesome

i was mostly just worried about having enough pci lanes for my gpu and a drive

[grizzled bloom]

The CPU gives 20 gen 4 lanes, 16 for the GPU and 4 for a M.2 drive.
If there's a second M.2 slot on a B550 board, it runs at gen 3 speed (which is still plenty).

[cerulean fulcrum]

ah cool cool

thanks so much!

[grizzled bloom]

No problem

[ivory night]

Hey

What’s the best x570 mobo for a 5900x? So far I have the msi mag x570 tomahawk wifi

[grizzled bloom]

Why X570? Do you have some specific need that isn't available on B550?

[ivory night]

I guess not

It’s there a B550 that’s better than an X570 tho

[grizzled bloom]

Yes. The B550 chipset is newer and tends to have newer and better VRM design, plus it doesn't need a chipset fan. Those have been shown to fail sometimes.
The only major restriction is that it "only" has 20 PCIe gen 4 lanes, which is enough for a GPU and a M.2 drive. Anything else additional will be on gen 3 (which is still plenty).

[ivory night]

Oh got it

So it couldn’t fit like a capture card?

[grizzled bloom]

It'll still work perfectly in gen 3 mode. Most capture cards aren't gen 4 anyway.

[ivory night]

Ok

[limber dragon]

most capture cards are only a x1 as well

[ivory night]

Do you have a good B550 to recommend?

[grizzled bloom]

If you're looking in the $200+ range there's tons of great ones

[ivory night]

Yeah like max 270

I’m going for a pretty high end build, but not over the top

[grizzled bloom]

Planning on overclocking I assume?

[ivory night]

Erm

I’m not quite sure how

But I’m sure I could figure it out

[grizzled bloom]

AMD you can just enable PBO and call it good, you can get more detailed than that if you want

[ivory night]

I currently have an Alienware laptop and I just open the Alienware command center to overclock

Is pbo in the bios?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, it's Precision Boost Overdrive

You could enable it from Ryzen Master but that's less reliable than bios

[ivory night]

Got it

So what B550s are the best

With maybe a bit of over locking

Overclocking*

[devout moth]

Fal'Cie#7622 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[grizzled bloom]

..... really

Fine I'll break it up more, durn bot

[limber dragon]

prob the 2 b550-f (and wifi) flagging the bot

[ivory night]

Haha

The rog strix B550-f wifi I assume then

[grizzled bloom]

Higher price ones, more advanced features
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FyBhP6/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-carbon-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-carbon-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RhrYcf/msi-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi

[ivory night]

The Atx one looks good

[grizzled bloom]

Cheaper ones that will still be plenty
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HjNnQ/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-elite
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZyjNnQ/asus-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-wi-fi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JXBhP6/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming

[ivory night]

Ok I think iil update my list!

Thank you so much for your help!!!

[cerulean bay]

Hey people

For this build, which mobo should i get

[vernal cosmos]

https://pcpartpicker.com/ my dude

Dont use notes

[grizzled bloom]

Something Something B560

[vernal cosmos]

fuma 2 kinda overkill for an 11500 imo

[grizzled bloom]

Better overkill than under imo

It's still cheaper than an AIO

[stiff kraken]

does anyone here have a 30 series gpu and ANY asrock motherboard

[daring torrent]

Hi guys probably a silly question but,I have a 5600x and a b550 mobo I just booted and got into the bios so am I ok to not do a bios flash back? Lol

[grizzled bloom]

No need for flashback if you got that far. Its still nice to have if your bios corrupts later.
I'd still update to the latest version of course

[daring torrent]

Okay thank you. Yeah I will 😊

[vast meadow]

They wanted it to be overkill, and not much point using pcpp in kosovo tbf

[vernal cosmos]

better to suggest changes

[vast meadow]

What are the options, but a b560 should do, just avoid the asrock ones

[vernal cosmos]

not like they were getting prices automatically in a notes app either

[vast meadow]

Yeah ik ¯_(ツ)_/¯ mb it's so ppl don't start recommending us parts tho if ya get me

[vast meadow]

True lmao

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah

[cerulean bay]

Yes thats why

[cerulean bay]

Whats pcp

[cerulean bay]

Yes b560 motherboard

[vast meadow]

Pcpp stands for pc part picker

[cerulean bay]

I did them in notes cause prices in part picker arent similiar to my store anyways so no point in giving prices

Yeah Pato is righy

Im looking for a b560/m mobo

And a mobo the same case as a cpu cooler, better to be a bit overkill than under

[vast meadow]

The m just needs micro atx btw

[cerulean bay]

Yeah i know but should i go micro or atx

[vast meadow]

Whatever tbh, as long as it's a decently priced board

[cerulean bay]

Cause ive been told on other channels that atx are not worth it since i wont use all of its slots

[vast meadow]

Probs not yeah, it's more important that your get a decent board with any features you want rather than board size

[cerulean bay]

Yeah i guess

[vernal apex]

Any motherboard recommendations for a R9 5950X?

[cyan raft]

Why are you buying a 5950x?

[vernal apex]

Not me, friend.

[cyan raft]

Why is he buying one?

[vernal apex]

Well- they have a $7000 budget so yeah idk im just here to make a parts list lol

They had a i9 10900 and Z470 and it was $1100 for both so yeah might as well go 5950x

[cyan raft]

Nope, 5900x beats it out for gaming

A 5950x is a massive waste of money for gaming

[vernal apex]

It's streaming system

and editing

[cyan raft]

Still 12 cores will be enough for that

[vernal apex]

True

So yeah mobo rec for 5900x

[cyan raft]

And streaming will be handled by a 30 series card

NVENC is a must have for streaming pretty much

[cyan raft]

I’d go for an Asus Rog Strix B550 or a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro

Also do you have a PCPP list for the build?

[vernal apex]

I have their orriginal

Lets just say yeah a lot needs to be changed - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rnBnfP

[cyan raft]

Yeah a lot has to be changed

[vernal apex]

Yeah, easily. $1400 on a 8tb drive

Easily get a NAS or something and some 14tb HDDs from Seagate

[cyan raft]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wRmTLP

I would honestly do something like this

[vernal apex]

Yeah, basically what I was throging together. Might keep the original ram just go 3600mhz instead of 3200mhz

It's the same price (same latency cause CL 16 vs 18 but whatever)

[cyan raft]

Nope

Corsair ram is 💩

[vernal apex]

Oh. Go Team Group or whatever

[cyan raft]

Team Group T-Force is hit or miss

Crucial Ballistix is pretty much the best you can go

[vast meadow]

Why itx tho lol

[vernal apex]

Yeah changed that to the regular Gigabyte B550 PRO

Assumed that was a mistake

[vast meadow]

@vernal apex https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CyYFVc

Actually go 5950x if they have budget and will use it while editing etc

[vernal apex]

Yeah VRMS are fine in either board to support a 5950x. Though they are using a 3090 so don't know how much benifit the 5950x will give them.

But told them it will give a benefit while editing but it will have worse gaming performance.

[vast meadow]

Tbh it's negligible in game perf, if they will use extra for editing get 5950x

5950x is still the 2nd best for gaming anyway

[vernal apex]

Yeah, but either will be better than a 10900 and a $750 Z490 motherboard

[vast meadow]

Why, 10900 doesn't compare to 5950x or 5900x in multi core

They are both clear wins

[vernal apex]

Yeah, idk what they were thinking when they put together the list.

[vast meadow]

@vernal apex if they were to go intel, which they shouldn't because the Ryzen 9 5000s are better but I'll fix the intel list incase they just want intel cuz some ppl are just wanting intel no matter what basically use the list i have but with 10850k and like a z490 prime or tuf or something

[vernal apex]

Yeah, no as soon as I showed them benchmarks of 5900x vs 5950x vs 10900 they ended up agreeing that the R9 5000s are better

[vast meadow]

Okay good good lol

[vernal apex]

Yeah, some people are hard to convince. At least this time it was easy

[vast meadow]

Yes tis nice lol

[upper aspen]

What is the best cpu (regardless of price) that I can put in a B460 for gaming

[vast meadow]

10700 or 11400 with a bios update I'd say

[upper aspen]

right now i have an i7-10700f, is it work the upgrade or no?

[vast meadow]

Nope

[upper aspen]

just stick with the gpu upgrades i guess

[vast meadow]

Ehh for the moment i wouldn't bother but suppose 3070 would be a nice upgrade ye

[devout moth]

krackerbolt#0665 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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[split copper]

lol

[serene topaz]

Is an i5-3470 better than an A8 6410

[split copper]

yea

I feel like

a lot of things are better than a 6410

my aio has a 6410

[bright turret]

Buy 5900x now or wait for new gen? If waiting, how long does the new gen comes out?

[burnt spear]

Depends on what you have

I'm waiting two more generations before upgrading

Since next gen is ddr5, and first gen tends to be buggy

[bright turret]

3700x

but sure, seems you're right about that 1st gen ddr5.

[burnt spear]

yeah id say wait unless youre running a 3090

or 3080ti

[vast meadow]

Yeah i would wait

[finite elm]

Or unless you need 12 cores*

[hollow sun]

is there a motherboard that has pcie 4 x16 x4, 2 or 3 m2 2280 slots that isnt a threadripper board? tracking 36...20 for pci slots, 8-12 for board, 4 for cpu?

[vast meadow]

Why do you want 4x16 pcie slots?

[hollow sun]

i I dont, i want pcie4, and have one x16 and one x4

[vast meadow]

Ohh that's easy then, but why do you even want pcie 4?

[drowsy tiger]

Anyone gotten kernel security check failure?

I think it’s a memory issue

[hollow sun]

performance would be the short answer. looking at running gpu and elgato 4k60 pro.

[vast meadow]

Gpu doesn't matter, pcie 3 vs pcie 4 performs the exact same, idk about the capture card tho

@hollow sun what cpu you want

[hollow sun]

5950x...was debating waiting on the TR 5000 series to run a SSD Add in card...16 for gpu, 8 for one capture card, ssd expansion in next x16 slot and another capture card in the last x8 slot

[hollow sun]

4k gaming/streaming and editing rig

dropping to single capture card a step down....feeling that new TR boards will come out and ill either grow into it or wont

[vast meadow]

@hollow sun https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tgsnTW/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-pro-carbon-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-x570-gaming-pro-carbon-wifi should do

[hollow sun]

thanks!

[manic brook]

Quite a pricey board haha

[vast meadow]

Np

[torn idol]

would I be okay to use this thermal paste off of Amazon? It’s like golden when it comes out?

[rocky beacon]

I'm sure it would work but I can''t imagine it would perform that great.

[torn idol]

okay how wouldn’t it perform great?

[rocky beacon]

It would have been better to buy MX-4 or Arctic Silver 5.

[torn idol]

okay but hold is shiny so it would work okay correct?

[rocky beacon]

Because its not high quality of manufacture

[torn idol]

o

[rocky beacon]

Unless Halnziye is good but I have never heard of it or have seen reviews on it

[torn idol]

okay so should I stick with stock thermal paste right now till my mx-4 comes in?

stick with r5 3600

[rocky beacon]

Yes

[torn idol]

okay

[pliant rock]

So for anyone who is good with CPU’s should I get the Ryzen 7 5800X or the Ryzen 9 3900 X

They are both pretty much the same price on Newegg

[limber dragon]

gaming or production?

[pliant rock]

Gaming

I assumed the 9 would be better on all fronts but now I’m not to sure

[limber dragon]

5800x if you're just gaming

[pliant rock]

Alright what if I brought say steaming into the mix

Streaming*

[limber dragon]

depends on what gpu you have

[pliant rock]

Aiming to get a 3080 when the price stabilizes

[burnt spear]

Yeah much better single core performance

[limber dragon]

if nvidia 2000 series or newer -> nvec encode with 5800x
if amd -> software encode with 3900x

[burnt spear]

Eh even with streaming and an amd gpu id say 5800x

It uses at most 10% of the cpu

[pliant rock]

Alright

Thanks for the tips

I’m guessing the 9 is used mostly for multitasking

[limber dragon]

yeah

and it being 2 ccds, games struggle to utilize both at the same time

[pliant rock]

Is cooler master a good brand?

[rocky beacon]

Depends on the product from them

Most companies have good and bad products

[pliant rock]

What about their liquid cpu cooler

I saw a combo with the Ryzen 7

[cursive epoch]

eh

no

[pliant rock]

Any other recommendations

[cursive epoch]

arctic liquid freezer ii, ek aio

lian li galahad too

[pliant rock]

Yeah I’ll go with the Artic Liquid Freezer II

[cursive epoch]

nice choice

[finite elm]

Aren't there things still locked to gen 4 on Nvidia cards?

[grizzled bloom]

No

Resizeable BAR and everything still works

[finite elm]

Ah

[split copper]

what was that

[finite elm]

Meant for the GPU channel

[split copper]

ic

[vast meadow]

Just rebar which usually does more harm than good

[vast meadow]

They make some decent things like gammaxx 400 budget coolers and the mwe v2 gold power supplies and some alright cases but not aios

[heady oak]

deepcool make the gammaxx series, no?

[vast meadow]

Woops yeah nvm

[hollow thorn]

Coolermaster makes the 212 lol

[vast meadow]

Yeah i realised lol, both have cool in the name

[hollow thorn]

hehe

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-friends-phoebe-ross-gif-17080047

[devout moth]

Pravdovich#2367 has been warned

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[cyan raft]

What’s the difference between ttopology and daisy chain dimm slots? My phone died when that convo was going on it in general

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/zxGqGCtPxn4 I'm being a bit lazy here but bout halfway through that vid should do it

[cyan raft]

Ahh ok thanks

Seems my board doesn’t care if it’s using 2 or 4 slots

[vast meadow]

Don't you have a crosshair mobo tho lol

[cyan raft]

Yeah

Optimem III pretty much optimizes it for either using 2 or 4 sticks

[vast meadow]

Nice

[cyan raft]

It’s probably why I can run 3800cl14 on a 4x8 kit

[vast meadow]

Niceee

[hollow thorn]

@cyan raft even more info because buildzoid is fun and has even more info
https://youtu.be/3vQwGGbW1AE

[cyan raft]

Oooh me likey

Heh RAMbling

[sour musk]

Is the i7 8700k better for the price over the 9700k?

and performance

because dont they have the same performance

?

[vast meadow]

ehh kinda hard to tell, as you gotta go off of ebay prices

[sour musk]

it is a 20 dollar diffrence

[vast meadow]

worth it for 2 extra cores

[sour musk]

k

thx

[cyan raft]

8 cores 8threads? Weird to see a 1:1 ratio

[vast meadow]

np, i would go 9900k if possible tho, for hyper threading

[vast meadow]

no ht on 9th gen

[cyan raft]

Eww

[vast meadow]

yup

[vast meadow]

apart from i9

[split copper]

you will see the same amount of graphs as a 1st gen i7

[sour musk]

is ht even that good?

[split copper]

yeah that's something a 9100f owner would say uwu

/j

ye it's good

[sour musk]

i have seen videos but there is barley and diffrence

[cyan raft]

“What’s the point of ht” said by some 9100F owner

[split copper]

[sour musk]

i didnt say that

lol

[vast meadow]

very

[sour musk]

what exactly does it do?

[vast meadow]

in pure fps no but smoothness or if anything else is open

[sour musk]

ahh ok

[split copper]

4790 multicore is still better than a 9100f interesting

[vast meadow]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hyper-threading-intel-definition,5746.html

[sour musk]

ayy i was on a budget

thats why i have a i3 9100f

[vast meadow]

@sour musk what board do you have

[sour musk]

msi mag b365m

[split copper]

4790k might beat 9100f in single thread with an overclock but stock doesn't

[sour musk]

my vrms might get hot

[vast meadow]

@sour musk see if 9700 non k is available for cheaper, if not get k Variant although you wont be able to oc, i wouldn't put a 9900k on that

[sour musk]

trust me i wasn't going to oc i don't know-how

[cyan raft]

I just realized i have a 16 phase VRM that I didn’t take advantage of for like who knows how long lol

[vast meadow]

still k means oc on intel so non k might be cheaper

[sour musk]

i will lok

look

should i get the i7 9700f

[vast meadow]

if its cheaper and you dont need the igpu yes

[sour musk]

its 5 bucks more than the 9700k

[vast meadow]

then get the 9700k, an igpu is easily worth 5$

[sour musk]

ebay is weird

k

[vast meadow]

yep lol

[burnt spear]

I just got 240 over average not counting oc on cinebench multi core

For a 3600 that is

[burnt spear]

Wait

K is the overclockable one

[vast meadow]

yes but f no igpu

[burnt spear]

Wait im confused

I thought f had the igpu

[vast meadow]

no f means no igpu

[burnt spear]

Wait then does 10700 have igpu?

And k?

I've always thought f meant it had gpu, the rest didn't

[vast meadow]

Yes 10700(k) has igpu, 10700f and 10700kf no igpu

[burnt spear]

I feel so dumb wow

I even had a 3470 in my old pc and never saw I had an igpu

[devout moth]

Jm#1075 has been warned

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[fiery lodge]

B550 VS X570? Which is better??

[manic brook]

Depends on the specific board usually but for the average person, b550 is the way to go

Unless you need x570 to take advantage of the PCIe 4.0 SSD slots for say profession applications, I’d just do b550

[finite elm]

Doesn't b550 have pcie 4.0?

[cyan raft]

Yeah it has PCie 4.0 m.2 slots and stuff like that

But it has PCie 3.0 CPU Lanes

[fiery lodge]

So which is good

[cyan raft]

For you B550

[finite elm]

I'm confused.

Don't you need the CPU to have the lanes to take advantage of the 4.0 slots

[cyan raft]

My bad B550 has some PCie gen 4 lanes but not as many as X570 boards

Only enough for the GPU and 1 m.2 slot

[hollow thorn]

Yes, and b550 only supports the CPUs that can do pcie 4.0 lol

Only zen 2 and beyond

Either way, good diagram here

[finite elm]

That's what I had figured. 1 m.2 And the GPU instead of 2 or 3

[devout moth]

mohanad#4431 has been warned

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[vast meadow]

Depends more on the board than chipset, but b550s are usually better, no chipset fan-point of failure and most b550s have better vrms(cpu power delivery) as they are newer than x570

[fiery lodge]

Hmm 🧐

[fiery lodge]

So which b550 mobo is good?

[dense frost]

MSI MAG, ASUS TUF, Gigabyte Aorus

[vast meadow]

Asus tuf, rog, msi tomohawk, mortar gaming edge wifi, there's plenty of good boards but i would go with one of those

[dense frost]

looking at newegg, b550 priced between $150ish and $200ish . if you spend more than $220, you might as well go for a X570

[vast meadow]

Not necessarily, a lot of b550s have better vrms and no chipset fan, only real advantage (apart from the xoc boards) is a few more pcie 4 lanes

[dense frost]

above 220ish though, the B550 is diminishing returns, is what im saying

[vast meadow]

Fair enough, usually boards in general around there kinda become diminishing returns

[dense frost]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-vision-d/p/N82E16813145231

Although...

[vast meadow]

50$ shipping from china and oos lol but, white soooo

[dense frost]

its so gorgeous

[vast meadow]

It's definitely a hit or miss board anyway...

[finite elm]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-vision-d-p/p/N82E16813145297

299$ 😰

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/money-shutup-take-gif-7953571

[finite elm]

That's a lot of money to spend on a Mobo

But if you're doing a all white or white/black theme it works

Stormtrooper build

I have a white 2070 super so it'd probably look great in that.

[vast meadow]

Nah i don't like it too much, would much prefer the rog strix a or something

[finite elm]

Does that one have an AMD version?

It does. I just found it

Neweggs filter doesn't have a "color" filter for mobo's like PCpartpicker does

[fiery lodge]

Ok 👌

[vast meadow]

Yep it's a pretty board

[dense frost]

check out the NZXT N7 B550 if you looking for another option for a white AMD board

[vast meadow]

Way nicer board if going for white imo

[finite elm]

I'm not looking for one 😅

[dense frost]

bro, just LOOK at it. guraantee you will want it

[finite elm]

Lol.

I do need to look for one to buy. But for a 5950x and 3090

I have a cheaper b550 Pro VDH-wifi and then an X570 Aorus Elite.

[vast meadow]

I would happily put a 5950x on a x570 aorus elite tbh

[dense frost]

I feel confident in saying that you can fit a 5950x on most mid to high tier AM4 boards. Unless its an absolute poop sandwich of a board, or you want to do overclocking, most B550 and X570 boards should handle it just fine.

[finite elm]

That should be fine then? Sweet. Makes it easy

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's a decent board iirc

[finite elm]

Have people managed to tame the 5800x in thermals for an ITX?

[vast meadow]

Depends more on the case and cooler, eg, supd meshililcious case can take a 280mm arctic liq freezer

[finite elm]

Phanteks Evolv Shift 2 can only fit a 120mm rad

[dense frost]

as long as you can cool it with a 240mm aio, I think its fine.

minimum 240mm aio

[finite elm]

Figured

120mm is worthless basically

Newegg only had it in white?

[vast meadow]

You already bought it yeah?

120mm might not be an awful option if it's just for taking

[upper aspen]

Looking for a decent set of ram for biostats and gaming, must be 128 gb, up to 4 sticks, ideally under 700 USD (on intel so maxes out at 2933 MHz)

[vast meadow]

For what cpu btw?

[upper aspen]

i7 10700F (read name)

[vast meadow]

Wasn't sure if it was for your pc in specifics, on a b460 board i assume then?

[upper aspen]

yes

[vast meadow]

@upper aspen https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rJkgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-128-gb-4-x-32-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16q-128gvk cheapest 2933+ at cl16 kit

[upper aspen]

thx

[vast meadow]

Np

[upper aspen]

if i was to drop down to the 64 gb, would the 2 x 32 or 4 x 16 be better?

[vast meadow]

2x32

[finite elm]

I didn't buy it no, my brother did lol.

He didn't want it and it's not in the return window so i was going to use it.

[vast meadow]

Ahh, i mean you could do one of the noctua low profile air coolers or possibly 120mm aio if it's just for gaming

[finite elm]

Ye. I always have a dual PC set up. Might just go for a 5600x since it's just for gaming tbf

Or I'll keep the 3700x 😅 that's always an option

[vast meadow]

Just keep the 3700x tbh not worth the upgrade

[finite elm]

😅

3900x to a 5950x for my workstation was a good upgrade though right? 😬

[vast meadow]

Nice

[wild cape]

What should installing an i5-11600k into a MSI z490 Mobo sound like?

And how hard should the arm be to press down,?

[vast meadow]

ehhhhh you want a z590 board unless you have a 10th gen chip to borrow to update the bios

[wild cape]

What?

[vast meadow]

its pretty simple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdLIV4e7Ec&t=9s

ohh jeez

[vast meadow]

11600k wont work in a z490 unless the bios is updated

[wild cape]

What if I don't have that...

[vast meadow]

return the motherbaord and get a z590

[wild cape]

Would an i5-8400 work to update bios?

[vast meadow]

nope wont fit, completely different socket, need 10th gen, but easiest is just to return and get a z590

[orchid salmon]

Hey, if i buy the 10700f, can i use 3200mhz ram and disable power limits like the 11400f? (on a b560 mobo)

[vast meadow]

yes

[orchid salmon]

For real?

[vast meadow]

yeah you can disable the power limits

[orchid salmon]

But u cant do that on a b460 mobo right?

[vast meadow]

afaik you can release power limits on any board, b460 will limit the ram to 2933mhz with a 10700 tho

[orchid salmon]

Ohhh

[vast meadow]

@orchid salmon b560 will let you run memory at full speed, putting 10700 on b460 is not good idea unless you're upgrading just the cpu and already have board

[trail finch]

Hello, which motherboard does the Asus Zephyrus G14 ( GA401QM-211-ZG14 ) have? I sent in my laptop to Geek Squad and they’re saying I need a new motherboard and wanted $1200 to fix it. I opted for them to send it back and Ill fix it myself but don’t know which motherboard to buy.

[vast meadow]

You can't buy laptop motherboards as they are different but yes 1200 would be an outrageous price, I'd recommend seeing if asus itself will repair for mb 100$ ish

[waxen garden]

can anyone explain something specifically?

Using "precision boost override" on Ryzen Master, it shows that temp gets up to 95C on around 3.95 ghz clock, but on manual OC and an increased clock speed, it gets a lower temp...?

https://i.imgur.com/TKfu5MM.png (OC)

https://i.imgur.com/EiUpSvi.png (Non-OC)

[vast meadow]

Most likely task manager reporting frequency wrong, also ryzen master is kinda bleh, i would recommend using the bios instead

[waxen garden]

alrighty, thank you

[vast meadow]

Np

[devout moth]

GaminLazer#6100 has been warned

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[waxen garden]

@vast meadow cpu core ratio is what i change, correct?

[vast meadow]

I would just do precision boost overdrive, usually not much point doing a manual oc on Ryzen 3000 and up

[waxen garden]

Kk, ty

[vast meadow]

But ehh I've never actually oc'd on Ryzen bit core frequency or ratio sounds right ish

[cursive epoch]

maybe try rma'ing through asus, if it still has warranty

[grave star]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083GTCRHX/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_glt_fabc_DEVH66E3QR6F31W9W9SM?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

That’s a good mobo to pair with an i5 10400f and a 1650 right??

[nova dew]

Does anyone know if this is... normal for it to be switching between 5.0GT/s and 16GT/s? https://gyazo.com/0df34c9099e1b371942c25accfb63d15

[naive pendant]

Guys I'm thinking of buying either of these mobos which do you recommend:

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/RhrYcf/msi-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/HjQfrH/asus-tuf-gaming-b550m-plus-wi-fi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550m-plus-wi-fi

[smoky widget]

borh are good @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

i'll go with cheaper then, thank you!

[vast meadow]

No, try get a b560, they're not very much more and wont lock the ram to 2666

Also ds3h is a low end board but if on a budget it'll do

[vast meadow]

Probs bit of boosting/reporting it wrong try hwinfo64 as well

[finite elm]

Oh @vast meadow i decided imma use the 3700x to replace the i5 4460 i use to host game servers. Just cause i can.

[vast meadow]

Nice

[split copper]

4460 user spotted

https://tenor.com/view/cats-sniper-gun-shoot-gif-8878036

• a 4460 user

[finite elm]

😂

I use it to host an Ark, Minecraft, and Rust server for my brother and myself. Figure a 3700x + an SSD will help quite a bit with that.

[vast meadow]

Just a tad

[split copper]

[finite elm]

Well it'll allow me to leave the ark server running making breeding and farming doable if we switch to another game 😬

[devout moth]

Homer#1309 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Homer#1309 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-moe-homer-barney-moes-tavern-gif-17102369

[vast meadow]

Its so sad, when i see unread message in one of the channels and it's spam :'(

[split copper]

[cyan raft]

[devout moth]

CycloNe#3837 has been warned

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[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-another-day-another-migraine-headache-work-gif-16473390

[devout moth]

Alex ;)#8684 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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[split copper]

It's just gonna keep happening

First get infraction in #graphics-cards , then here, then get kicked here

[vast meadow]

is so sad

[carmine lynx]

wait the r9 5900x is actually in stock?

[vast meadow]

has been for a while ye

[carmine lynx]

Damn I thought they were still selling out like crazy

[vast meadow]

just 5950x really

[arctic brook]

Hi, just was wondering if I could get some help on RAM upgrades, since Newegg has a 72 hr RAM promotion.

I have a Lenovo ThinkCentre M700 Tiny (1S10FLS1) and would like to max out the RAM on the system. Can I get a recommendation on compatible Crucial RAM? Thanks.

[sick sorrel]

what is the best motherboard for intel i3 10100

[hollow thorn]

what budget

[sick sorrel]

1000

[hollow thorn]

1000$ for a motherboard?

1000$ for the whole pc, prob a b560 pro4 or smth similar

[sick sorrel]

am helping my friend to pick part for his pc

[naive pendant]

Don't get i3 for 1k pc

@sick sorrel

get i5-11400f

I can make a list for you if you want

[naive pendant]

yo bruh where are you at

[sick sorrel]

sure but he change the budget

[naive pendant]

To what

[sick sorrel]

1500

[naive pendant]

For gaming?

[sick sorrel]

yea

[naive pendant]

Does he have any parts yet

[sick sorrel]

no

the gpu

[naive pendant]

He has the gpu?

[sick sorrel]

1650

[naive pendant]

Alright

Does he plan on upgrading his gpu

[sick sorrel]

yea

[naive pendant]

To what

[sick sorrel]

at the end of the year

idk

[naive pendant]

Like a 3060 or 3080

[sick sorrel]

i guess

[naive pendant]

i meant which

is he getting budget 30 series or high end 30 series

So i can decide what wattage for psu

[sick sorrel]

yea

sure

[naive pendant]

black or white color

For case, aio, and ram

[sick sorrel]

black

[naive pendant]

Alright

So did you ask him which gpu he plans to upgrade to

So i can figure out if i need to add 650w or 750w psu

i'll just add 750w since im still under budget

[sick sorrel]

rtx 360

or rxt 3080

[naive pendant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgn7Vc

There's room to add a better cpu

But he probably need to save money for the gpu too

[sick sorrel]

ok

[nocturne hedge]

@naive pendant unless he's doing overclocking i think a 280mm radiator could save some money

unless the front doesn't support a 280mm

[tawdry pebble]

Hey @vast meadow do you think I should buy a 11700f or 5800x bc isnt a 11400f a little bit too budget for a 3070?

[vast meadow]

11700f should never be purchased its just not good, the 11400 or 5600x aren't too budget for a 3070 but if you can i would step up to a 5800x

[tawdry pebble]

Ok thank you

[vast meadow]

Np

[burnt spear]

Even a 10400 is fine for a 3070

[naive pendant]

He's still under budget so i added it

[tender bluff]

Anyone here from the Philippines and has ordered a Ryzen 9 5900X processor from Newegg?

[fallen fractal]

What’s a better measure of if your AIO is cooling properly, max CPU temp or delta over ambient?

[vast meadow]

Delta over ambient technically if you're comparing but what really matters is including ambient so just cpu temp

[fallen fractal]

Mid to high 60s during a 3DMark CPU test. That’s probably good yeah?

[vast meadow]

For cpu temps i would use prime95 smallftt

But sounds good

[fallen fractal]

I thought people were out on Prime95 as it represents an unrealistic non real world test. And can damage your CPU

But please enlighten me if that’s not true

[vast meadow]

It is unrealistic but it won't damage your cpu as far as i know but p95 gives max absolute temps

[fallen fractal]

Anything causing the CPU to run at 100% should conceivably max temp though right?

[main pulsar]

nope

"100%" is an arbitrary number

[hollow thorn]

and definitely not

I can do p95 blend and have my CPU sit at 60c, at 100% load, then do p95 smallfft and have the temp jump up to 100c at 100% load

[main pulsar]

modern cpus are basically many different types of cpu fused together, and there are a bunch of different instruction sets that access different parts of the chip. P95 usually hammers stuff like AVX instructions and a whole host of other things that the percentage doesnt account for

[vast meadow]

100% can just mean all the threads are being utilised

[main pulsar]

things like your IMC as well

all stuff that produces heat, but isnt measured in stuff like task man

[fallen fractal]

Ok, good to know. So is P96 “safe” for running a CPU temp test?

95*

[hollow thorn]

well

depends again

if you have manual all core, it's the heaviest load you can put on your CPU

if you have it stock/pbo, the CPU will just downclock at the heavy load and not tell you about stability :p

[fallen fractal]

I don’t have it OC’d at all, it’s just all stock right now

I’m really more concerned with if my AIO cooler is doing enough work for normal loads

[main pulsar]

just do whatever you plan to do with the chip, and log temps and clock speed

like, if your using your cpu to hammer away at a long blender render, then just do that

[fallen fractal]

Cool. Now that I’ve got all my fans connected up how they need to be I can actually start using it for normal purposes this evening.

I’ll see how it handles all that

[sour musk]

How do you know if your CPU isn't working?

[vast meadow]

well for 1 your pc wont turn on

but thats usually caused by other things

[sour musk]

i have read that if your pc turns on and gets power but doesn't boot it's your CPU.

but its really rare

[vast meadow]

v unlikely, more likely ram or fixed by clear cmos

[sour musk]

ive tried a diffrent cmos battery

from another motherboard

but should I try and remove it for like 5 min and then reinstall it?

[vast meadow]

remove for 5 mins and unplug pc from wall

if that doesnt work, reseat your ram

[sour musk]

k

[vast meadow]

also check connections

[sour musk]

k

it didnt work

@vast meadow the debug light keeps on going from dram to cpu

it used to just go to VGA then shut off (the debug light)

@vast meadow What does it mean when it goes from dram to cpu?

[vast meadow]

reseat your ram, its a ram issue, vga is your graphics so reseat that too

[sour musk]

when I took out one of the ram sticks it doesent light up anymore the debug\

it goes to vga for a second and then turns off

and when I reseat the GPU it goes to VGA just for a second

@vast meadow WHat does that mean?

[vast meadow]

ehhhh ngl im kinda tired so youre better off asking someone else from general or something lol

[sour musk]

ok

[solar marsh]

i know this sounds wierd but, my cpu underclocks itself somehow

i went all day outside home and came back, turned on my pc and it was so slow and then i checked the cpu speed and it was at 0,54ghz

does anyone know why this happens

its happened me twice now and its annoying

[sour musk]

It maybe have to be because of your cooler maybe.

idk

[nocturne hedge]

o ok

[naive pendant]

ok so i got a ddr4 2400 mhz to go with my laptops factory 2400 mhz ram and my laptop is not booting up with both the sticks in

is it the slot?

because both of them are working fine by themselves

i've tried them in both slots

and they work just fine by themselves

but not together

[grizzled bloom]

They're probably different dies, meaning there's a very good chance it simply won't work. Mixing memory types is tricky at best, and relies a lot on luck.

[tender gulch]

if the 5950x turns out to be the last AM4 cpu, should i just yoink it or still head for the 5900x

[vast meadow]

If gaming or anything else single threaded, 5900x is actually better so stick with that, for mulit core loads like editing high res video 5950x i suppose

[grizzled bloom]

OR you could wait for the new 3D cache model chips that are coming. They seriously improved the latency and got a decent FPS boost.

[tender gulch]

wait, so the 5000 series is not the last am4?

[vast meadow]

It is but they might make 5000xts or something

[tender gulch]

Ah, well i waited this long. i can wait a bit more. thx guys

[vast meadow]

Np lol

[cursive epoch]

5000xt ain't worth it

they're gonna cost even more sadly

5000xt stuff won't have 3d cache tho

as it's just better bin of 5000x

[vast meadow]

All rumours so far i suppose, they might not do 5000xt at all ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive epoch]

yeah

[odd shore]

Is it better to have 16gbx2 or 8gbx4? Does occupying all memory slots increase performance

[vast meadow]

2x16 is usually cheaper and better, having all 4 slots doesn't increase performance, capacity, speed and cl is what matters the most

[odd shore]

Okay. Is 3600 good enough? I'm going for a budget(ish) option

[vast meadow]

Yep, 3600cl16 is possible (ballistix is usually one of the cheapest and great) but cl18 will be okay if cl16 is too much

[odd shore]

what kind of performance differences can I expect with cl16 and cl18? I can shell out some extra money if it will really be worth it

[vast meadow]

If it's intel not a huge amount unless you doing ram overclocking, if amd usually worth the exta 10-15$ extra

[odd shore]

Okay

[odd shore]

Thank you

[vast meadow]

Np :)

[odd shore]

One last question sorry lol.. The 3200 MHz is the perfect price for me and the delivery date looks even better. Is 3600 MHz that much better? Especially on a non top of the line build?

[vast meadow]

What cpu is it for?

[odd shore]

It's a Ryzen 5 3600x

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBTzK8/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-sp016gxlzu320bda i would either go this or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b but you shouldn't buy a Ryzen 5 3600x in 2021 an i5 10400/ 11400 or ryzen 5 5600x would be a lot better of a choice

[odd shore]

I've had this build for a while the ram is just really old and lacking so thats what im upgrading rn

[vast meadow]

Ryzen 3000 series is kinda old now and prices are jacked for them

Ahhh

That's fine then

I would get either of those kits, 3600 if you can if not the 3200 kit

[odd shore]

Okay. Should I not go with 32gb for potential future upgrades?

[vast meadow]

Depends on your use

And do you get near 16gb of utilisation atm?

[odd shore]

I get to 90% and sometimes spike to 100 and crash. But I have a feeling it could be because the ram is so old and slow

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7 i would just get this then, the 3200 ballistix isn't priced great unless you want to overclock your ram

[hollow thorn]

3600c16 ballistix is still nice

[odd shore]

out of stock rn so I'd have to wait until september

atleast from amazon

[odd shore]

i like this price

[hollow thorn]

For a 3600x, 3600c16 still makes a good difference from 3200c16 if it's an option

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2LMTwP/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320fda try this then

Cheapest 3600cl16 kit is 165

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GR6qqs/oloy-warhawk-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-nd4u1636161dcwdx

[odd shore]

the silicon 3200 is in stop i just meant the balistic 3600 are out of stock

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[odd shore]

if you think 3600 is worth the extra price and for potential upgrades ill go with that

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/KkqBD3

[vast meadow]

I would grab the oloy warhawk kit if you can

[odd shore]

Okay that price is good with me. Cl16 right?

[vast meadow]

Yup

[odd shore]

sweet thank you

[hollow thorn]

Btw this is in stock to me
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164174

But oloy kit is ok

[odd shore]

I think I'll go with Oloy for the price

[hollow thorn]

Ye, ballistix just OCs a lot better

[devout moth]

FelixReal#7735 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

FelixReal#7735 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[grizzled bloom]

Bit late to the party but this is worth checking out. There can be a big difference between 3200 and 3600.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock

[cyan raft]

Im looking at the specs of my old old Adata xpg ram from like who knows how long ago and the timings on it are actually really nice

16-16-16

Stock

[naive pendant]

https://www.newegg.ca/asus-prime-x570-pro/p/N82E16813119196?Item=N82E16813119196

Will this work on the Ryzen 9 5900x?

[cursive epoch]

yes

but it's a meh board

[naive pendant]

should I get a different one then?

not sure which one would work good

[limber dragon]

Aso yourself if you need x570 instead of b550

[cursive epoch]

^

[naive pendant]

I am sorry I don't understand

[cursive epoch]

Do you need x570? That was the question

[naive pendant]

oh i believe so. I was told by a friend the x570 would work with the ryzen 9 the best

[limber dragon]

you only need x570 if you run multiple pcie 4.0 drives

[naive pendant]

oh ok

[cursive epoch]

Yah, B550 will do just fine

[naive pendant]

Oh ok, I can check that out then 🙂

thank you brothers

[hollow thorn]

by the way, chipset itself doesn't change anything about how a 5900x will run, the vrms on a board would

[devout moth]

Im NOT Kanye West#0812 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Im NOT Kanye West#0812 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[split copper]

literally again 😳

[vast meadow]

[devout moth]

EliEmery#8079 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

EliEmery#8079 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[split copper]

and again

does this person know their bots are completely ineffective

do they even care

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-magic-no-no-sabrina-tv-gif-14293457

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-dancing-dance-moves-grooves-moves-gif-17121666

[limber dragon]

Prob different people, public discord and all

[split copper]

it's always the same

first it spams obscenity in #graphics-cards

then it spams obscenity in #cpus-mobo-and-memory

then it gets kicked

idk how appealing it is for a bunch of people to meagerly spam two channels, very drawn out like and unconvincing

[vast meadow]

Tbh I'm surprised it doesn't try general and build chat first

[naive pendant]

Can I pair both white and black Corsair vengeance rams in one pc?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably. Corsair tends to use the same die, so if the specs are the same it should be ok.

There's still the same potential for causing problems as any mixed kit of memory

[naive pendant]

I was think of getting two sets of 16gb or one set of 16 and the other two as Light Enhancement Kit

[vast meadow]

i woldnt go corsair if you dont have any at all, very overpriced for what it is, also mixing rgb and non rgb is a nogo imo as they use different dies for vengence lpx and the rgb one

i would reccomend ballisitx or something if buying from new

[naive pendant]

I already bought my ram that’s why

[vast meadow]

yeah only upgrade to the exact same kit, same speed and model, only thing you can change is colour

[naive pendant]

Yeah Ik

Thanks

[vast meadow]

np

[carmine lynx]

what would be a worthy upgrade over the r5 3600?

[vast meadow]

Would what? And what use case?

[carmine lynx]

gaming/a lot of multitasking

[carmine lynx]

my fault their was a typo

[vast meadow]

Depending on how much you call a lot 5900x

[grizzled bloom]

R5 3600 is still decent, you'll only need an upgrade if you notice all the cores are loaded when you're multi-tasking or you have a powerful GPU that isn't being used fully because the CPU can't keep up.

[carmine lynx]

yea

I plan on getting either the 6800x or 3080 in the near future

[grizzled bloom]

5800X is working great for me, 16 threads is more than I really need. If you like to have 112 Chrome tabs open playing video and stuff maybe the 5900X would be good.

[vast meadow]

I would focus on a new gpu first most likely

[carmine lynx]

yea

I have a 2060 s currently

[vast meadow]

2060s is still fairly good

[grizzled bloom]

3600 is a great pairing for the 2060.

[carmine lynx]

yup

that's why I got the 2

[carmine lynx]

oh for sure

it runs everything I want usually

[torn idol]

i got the msi b550-a-pro mobo for my new mobo

to go in my 4000d airflow

[hollow thorn]

neat